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Title: Gay Rights
Post by: totosli_08 on November 26, 2009, 08:42:30 pm
 What is your Opinion on Gay Rights Personaly just my opinion plz dont hunt me down and kill me for those of you that dissagre ... well i strongly belive that beings gay..is not right...and it shoudint be.. but you should treat everybody the same as everyone else no matter what.... but what do you think..i know this is a strong topic..but its a good one also
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: rketcham on November 26, 2009, 08:48:00 pm
What is your Opinion on Gay Rights Personaly just my opinion plz dont hunt me down and kill me for those of you that dissagre ... well i strongly belive that beings gay..is not right...and it shoudint be.. but you should treat everybody the same as everyone else no matter what.... but what do you think..i know this is a strong topic..but its a good one also

agreed.
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: walksalone11 on November 26, 2009, 08:53:08 pm
Well, I can guarantee you that I am totally heterosexual, but I am also mature enough to realize that most so called "alternative" life styles aren't contagious.....you wont catch it.

I feel everyone has the right to their chosen lifestyle as long as practicing that lifestyle doesn't infringe on anothers right to their chosen path.

Traditionally in my culture homosexuals are called Two Spirits, and are said to have a deeper conection with the spirit world and are greatly respected for these abilities.

One might think that this would encourage homosexuality but in reality it does not.

Just as not everyone is divinely chosen to be Medicine Men/Women, not everyone will be Two Spirited.
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: totosli_08 on November 26, 2009, 08:58:51 pm
im a Christan and we belive it is a spirit and its a sin  but its  has no higher penaltys then all the others sins because everybody has sinned so you shoudint judge people  and i agree  withthe first post to because jsut  because there gay dont mean that you have to be disrespectfull people chose there own lifes
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: rketcham on November 26, 2009, 09:00:50 pm
Well, I can guarantee you that I am totally heterosexual, but I am also mature enough to realize that most so called "alternative" life styles aren't contagious.....you wont catch it.

I feel everyone has the right to their chosen lifestyle as long as practicing that lifestyle doesn't infringe on anothers right to their chosen path.

Traditionally in my culture homosexuals are called Two Spirits, and are said to have a deeper conection with the spirit world and are greatly respected for these abilities.

One might think that this would encourage homosexuality but in reality it does not.

Just as not everyone is divinely chosen to be Medicine Men/Women, not everyone will be Two Spirited.
Points taken, but...


i agree with totosli. Personally im 100% secure with my sexual orientation, i guess  to each there own, but keep in mind  if im all over my girlfrined in public i could get a ticket, keep pda to a minimum
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: liljp617 on November 26, 2009, 09:03:32 pm
You say it's wrong.

Why is it wrong?

Do you have any logical reasoning behind your stance?  Please allow us to see the thought process and structure behind your view.
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: rketcham on November 26, 2009, 09:08:58 pm
You say it's wrong.

Why is it wrong?

Do you have any logical reasoning behind your stance?  Please allow us to see the thought process and structure behind your view.

People are entitled to opinion, and thats my reasoning. Call it close minded, simple, whatever. I just dont think homosexuality is right, once again my opinion
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: liljp617 on November 26, 2009, 09:09:58 pm
im a Christan and we belive it is a spirit and its a sin  but its  has no higher penaltys then all the others sins because everybody has sinned so you shoudint judge people  and i agree  withthe first post to because jsut  because there gay dont mean that you have to be disrespectfull people chose there own lifes

Do not say "we" when discussing your views as a Christian;  Say "I believe." 

There are an estimated 2.1 billion Christians in the world.  Christianity has numerous subgroups under the broad Christian label and many of them have different views.  There are many Christian church organizations/groups that have zero problem with homosexuality and have openly stated they would certainly marry homosexual couples.

Your views are not representative of 2.1 billion other people's views.  Speak for yourself when saying what Christians think.
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: liljp617 on November 26, 2009, 09:12:39 pm
You say it's wrong.

Why is it wrong?

Do you have any logical reasoning behind your stance?  Please allow us to see the thought process and structure behind your view.

People are entitled to opinion, and thats my reasoning. Call it close minded, simple, whatever. I just dont think homosexuality is right, once again my opinion

And I asked you if you had any logical reasoning behind this stance.  Repeating what you said serves no purpose.  I asked you if you had any structural argument behind your view that it is wrong, outside of having been raised with such a belief.

I did not call you closed minded, I didn't say you couldn't have an opinion, and I didn't say your opinion is wrong.  I asked if you had any rationality behind your opinion.  If you don't, just say it -- nobody is going to come blow your house up for having a thoughtless view about something.  If you do have some rationality behind your opinion, I would love to hear it (that is why I asked, after all).
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: totosli_08 on November 26, 2009, 09:12:52 pm
THANKS FOR THE POST SORRY IF I OFFENDED YOU ..JUST STARTING A TOPIC..AND STATING MY OPINON......I SAY ITS WRONG BECUASE IN THE BEGGINING OF TIME IT WAS ALWAYS MEN AND WOMEN TOGETHER AND I BELIIVE THAT THATS HOW IT WAS SUPPOSE TO BE BIRTH CAN ONLY HAPPEN BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN ..NOT A MAN AND A MAN ..OR A WOMEN AND A WOMEN WITCH EVERYBODY KNOWS OF COURSE  BECAUSE IF ITS NOT A MAN AND A WOMEN THEN THERE WILL BE AND ENDING OF GENERATIONS ....NO MATTER WHAT RELIGION YOU BELIVE THAT JUST MAKES LOGICAL SINCE ....SO MY QUISTION IS WERE STARTING ON FROM THE BEGGINING OF TIME AND UP TILL KNOW did MAN AND MAN AND WOMEN AND WOMEN BEGAIN TO CONNECT TO EACHOTHER IN A RELATIONSHIP MATTER........:) ........
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: walksalone11 on November 26, 2009, 09:15:20 pm
You say it's wrong.

Why is it wrong?

Do you have any logical reasoning behind your stance?  Please allow us to see the thought process and structure behind your view.

People are entitled to opinion, and thats my reasoning. Call it close minded, simple, whatever. I just dont think, I was taught in Sunday school not too and to certainly not question why we should feel this way.
When we are asked what we think, we give our answer, we weren't taught why we think this, and you are not supposed to ask!
Fixed
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: liljp617 on November 26, 2009, 09:15:57 pm
THANKS FOR THE POST SORRY IF I OFFENDED YOU ..JUST STARTING A TOPIC..AND STATING MY OPINON......I SAY ITS WRONG BECUASE IN THE BEGGINING OF TIME IT WAS ALWAYS MEN AND WOMEN TOGETHER AND I BELIIVE THAT THATS HOW IT WAS SUPPOSE TO BE BIRTH CAN ONLY HAPPEN BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN ..NOT A MAN AND A MAN ..OR A WOMEN AND A WOMEN WITCH EVERYBODY KNOWS OF COURSE  BECAUSE IF ITS NOT A MAN AND A WOMEN THEN THERE WILL BE AND ENDING OF GENERATIONS ....NO MATTER WHAT RELIGION YOU BELIVE THAT JUST MAKES LOGICAL SINCE ....SO MY QUISTION IS WERE STARTING ON FROM THE BEGGINING OF TIME AND UP TILL KNOW did MAN AND MAN AND WOMEN AND WOMEN BEGAIN TO CONNECT TO EACHOTHER IN A RELATIONSHIP MATTER........:) ........

Homosexuality has been practiced for centuries and centuries.  Many ancient cultures (along with some of the most prominent in world history) promoted it and saw nothing wrong with it.

The idea that relationships are solely for reproduction is silly as well.  If that's the case, then heterosexual couples who are incapable of reproducing shouldn't be allowed to continue their relationship.

Typing in caps makes everything much more difficult to read and it doesn't make what you say any more logical.  It would be appreciated if you didn't do that.
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: rketcham on November 26, 2009, 09:24:14 pm

Homosexuality has been practiced for centuries and centuries.  Many ancient cultures (along with some of the most prominent in world history) promoted it and saw nothing wrong with it.

The idea that relationships are solely for reproduction is silly as well.  If that's the case, then heterosexual couples who are incapable of reproducing shouldn't be allowed to continue their relationship.

Well, heres MY logical reasoning..

In the age we live in today the individual has the right to choose , religion, political party, brand of cigarettes, left or right, what there going to watch on tv and whether or not they want to tivo it, however, the HUMAN RACE cannot progress if as a society homosexuality was it, sure they could adopt but scientifically IT DOES NOT WORK
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: walksalone11 on November 26, 2009, 09:30:32 pm

Homosexuality has been practiced for centuries and centuries.  Many ancient cultures (along with some of the most prominent in world history) promoted it and saw nothing wrong with it.

The idea that relationships are solely for reproduction is silly as well.  If that's the case, then heterosexual couples who are incapable of reproducing shouldn't be allowed to continue their relationship.

Well, heres MY logical reasoning..

In the age we live in today the individual has the right to choose , religion, political party, brand of cigarettes, left or right, what there going to watch on tv and whether or not they want to tivo it, however, the HUMAN RACE cannot progress if as a society homosexuality was it, sure they could adopt but scientifically IT DOES NOT WORK
In other words, if you or those who share your opinion, decided to give their blessing to homosexuality, then everyone would make the choice to be gay? and the human species becomes extinct????

Give me a freakin' break!!!!
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: totosli_08 on November 26, 2009, 09:32:48 pm
i never said anything about relationships being soly for reproduction...i was stating in order for our world to populate  ourselfs  Naturaly is  from a man and a women and im going back to the beggggiinnnng of time ..were the first man and women were on earth..lets think about it for a minute ..
and even with couples being gay ..why do most of them always  have a female role and the other has a  dominant role .... alomst all of gay girls  always have the other girl . witch is playing the dominet roll still ....use fake penusis to be penitrated into them as a male would do to a female ..so eathier way it always goes ..back to the natural state female and a male ...... and with gay males one plays the female the other the male..and you cant say thats not true beause 90 percent of the time it is
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: liljp617 on November 26, 2009, 09:36:10 pm

Homosexuality has been practiced for centuries and centuries.  Many ancient cultures (along with some of the most prominent in world history) promoted it and saw nothing wrong with it.

The idea that relationships are solely for reproduction is silly as well.  If that's the case, then heterosexual couples who are incapable of reproducing shouldn't be allowed to continue their relationship.

Well, heres MY logical reasoning..

In the age we live in today the individual has the right to choose , religion, political party, brand of cigarettes, left or right, what there going to watch on tv and whether or not they want to tivo it, however, the HUMAN RACE cannot progress if as a society homosexuality was it, sure they could adopt but scientifically IT DOES NOT WORK

The idea that all 300+ million people in this nation are going to suddenly become homosexual simply because it's tolerated is plain nonsense.  That is not logical.  It is just...goofy.  

Regardless, one's sexuality is not some point choice in life.  Did you wake up one day and decide you would start being attracted to the opposite gender? Sexuality is a product of genetics, education, and upbringing.

Even in your ridiculous imaginary world where everyone suddenly becomes homosexual, reproduction is most certainly still possible.  It is no longer necessary to have sexual intercourse to get pregnant.  Homosexuals can bear children just as any heterosexual can.

It's not going to happen though.  The whole world is not going to turn homosexual if we allow homosexuals to get married or treat them with a bit more equality.  It's just not going to happen.  It doesn't make any sense.  There's no logical reason that it would happen.

Do you have any more "logical reasons" behind your view?
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: liljp617 on November 26, 2009, 09:39:41 pm
i never said anything about relationships being soly for reproduction...i was stating in order for our world to populate  ourselfs  Naturaly is  from a man and a women and im going back to the beggggiinnnng of time ..were the first man and women were on earth..lets think about it for a minute ..
and even with couples being gay ..why do most of them always  have a female role and the other has a  dominant role .... alomst all of gay girls  always have the other girl . witch is playing the dominet roll still ....use fake penusis to be penitrated into them as a male would do to a female ..so eathier way it always goes ..back to the natural state female and a male ...... and with gay males one plays the female the other the male..and you cant say thats not true beause 90 percent of the time it is


As I just said, the idea that the whole world is going to become homosexual if we tolerate homosexuality is plain dumb.  It makes no sense why that would happen.  There is no rationality behind saying such a thing would happen.  There will continue to be heterosexuals in the world who are reproducing even if homosexuals are treated equally.  It's ridiculous to say there would be a downfall of heterosexuality.

As for the rest, those are called sexual fetishes.  I don't know what they have to do with anything in this discussion, so I'll leave it at that.

Please stop with the naturalistic fallacy as well.  Homosexuality has been documented and observed in over 5,000 wild species in nature ranging from arthropods to apes.  Stop pretending it is some unnatural thing that never happens outside of human culture.
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: rketcham on November 26, 2009, 09:40:18 pm
?????????????? No where in my post did i state that you decide to be gay like its a trend. No. if your gay be gay whatever. I voiced my opinion, maybe i should have just posted to begin with;  " I personally dont care."



Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: walksalone11 on November 26, 2009, 09:43:13 pm
Popular opinion, has never, nor will never,have any effect on sexual preference of people. Homosexuality has been practiced atleast as long as history has been recorded and yet here we are with population densities far denser than what is sustainable over the long term, by the worlds resources.
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: liljp617 on November 26, 2009, 09:44:02 pm
?????????????? No where in my post did i state that you decide to be gay like its a trend. No. if your gay be gay whatever. I voiced my opinion, maybe i should have just posted to begin with;  " Im personally dont care."





The only way the whole human race would become homosexual is if heterosexuals suddenly CHOSE to be homosexual.


Stop hiding behind "it's my opinion."  We've read your opinion.  We know it.  We understand you think it's wrong.  Nobody is questioning your right to an opinion.

I'm questioning your thought process behind your opinion.  I asked because I assumed you didn't have any logical reasoning behind your views.  So far, I'd say I'm correct.  Please prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: rketcham on November 26, 2009, 09:45:46 pm
Popular opinion, has never, nor will never,have any effect on sexual preference of people. Homosexuality has been practiced atleast as long as history has been recorded and yet here we are with population densities far denser than what is sustainable over the long term, by the worlds resources.

Thats the crazy part about internet forums, they tend to be opinion based. When i say to each there own its a broad phrase.....
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: GoGoKokiGo on November 26, 2009, 09:46:25 pm
You should be allowed to be who you want to be. The fact that we even have to question how we feel about the rights of the gay is f'ing appalling to me. Nothing is "wrong" about the way a person is, unless what that person is harms another. My opinion truly is live and let live or shut up and mind your own business.

Something to think about:
No matter what anyone feels about it, it will still go on. Just enjoy the ride.
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: totosli_08 on November 26, 2009, 09:49:10 pm
ok ...ive heard that quistion so many times ...... " when did you wake up in the moring and decide you were straight ... or whatever that was said ....and ive done research on this ..because it was debated in class. as you all know ..i luv debating by know ...but my answer to that is ... when i  decided i was straight is when i begain to notice how the natural things work in this world qouta qouta ..penus.... vagina ..hmmmm.. that goes there  women man two diffrent sexes....hmm seems logicall ...and when you can find me profe that a women and a women or a men and a men diffenitly a man ..can have a kid by having sex plz let me know ..and i so will take your side..being gay is not naturall.. thats just my opinion because if it was...then that would be able to happen ...but god has the final say in all the things we do..so i dont mistreat anyone ....or anylike that ..i luv everybody ....
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: totosli_08 on November 26, 2009, 09:51:41 pm
lol rketcham is funny ..he keep saying .....he just stating an opinion and everybody just ignoring him...i got yo back buddy lol
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: walksalone11 on November 26, 2009, 09:53:31 pm
We are not ignoring him, we are just waiting for him to convince us that it is really his opinion and not one he was told to have and so does, but doesn't have any logical reason why.
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: GoGoKokiGo on November 26, 2009, 09:54:23 pm
ok ...ive heard that quistion so many times ...... " when did you wake up in the moring and decide you were straight ... or whatever that was said ....and ive done research on this ..because it was debated in class. as you all know ..i luv debating by know ...but my answer to that is ... when i  decided i was straight is when i begain to notice how the natural things work in this world qouta qouta ..penus.... vagina ..hmmmm.. that goes there  women man two diffrent sexes....hmm seems logicall ...and when you can find me profe that a women and a women or a men and a men diffenitly a man ..can have a kid by having sex plz let me know ..and i so will take your side..being gay is not naturall.. thats just my opinion because if it was...then that would be able to happen ...but god has the final say in all the things we do..so i dont mistreat anyone ....or anylike that ..i luv everybody ....

Who said that the end result is having to have kids? You know what's NOT natural? Getting pregnant and having an abortion. Or having a kid and having to give them up for adoption, just to have that kid chewed up by the system and spit out. How many gay men and women do you see doing that?
I don't see the point of only validating a sexual orientation by if it can procreate or not when most of your oh so "natural" heterosexuals can't even take care of the ones that they have.
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: rketcham on November 26, 2009, 09:57:24 pm
We are not ignoring him, we are just waiting for him to convince us that it is really his opinion and not one he was told to have and so does, but doesn't have any logical reason why.

Personal feeling, I was not taught to be hetero it was just natural. Do i believe gays should have no rights , no. Do i think homosexuality is wrong, yes.
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: walksalone11 on November 26, 2009, 09:57:51 pm
As if it even matters what anyone thinks of the issue.

Sexual preference is not a choice!

Hell, if it was, I'd be a lesbian!!!!
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: GoGoKokiGo on November 26, 2009, 09:58:59 pm
We are not ignoring him, we are just waiting for him to convince us that it is really his opinion and not one he was told to have and so does, but doesn't have any logical reason why.

Personal feeling, I was not taught to be hetero it was just natural. Do i believe gays should have no rights , no. Do i think homosexuality is wrong, yes.
Why shouldn't they have rights? Are they not human? What did they do to you, to think that they should be treated as lesser beings? What if they thought that straight people shouldn't have rights? It's a damn shame that you think that they shouldn't have all the rights as everyone else. Right now, I think you don't deserve rights and YOU'RE WRONG!
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: liljp617 on November 26, 2009, 09:59:09 pm
ok ...ive heard that quistion so many times ...... " when did you wake up in the moring and decide you were straight ... or whatever that was said ....and ive done research on this ..because it was debated in class. as you all know ..i luv debating by know ...but my answer to that is ... when i  decided i was straight is when i begain to notice how the natural things work in this world qouta qouta ..penus.... vagina ..hmmmm.. that goes there  women man two diffrent sexes....hmm seems logicall ...and when you can find me profe that a women and a women or a men and a men diffenitly a man ..can have a kid by having sex plz let me know ..and i so will take your side..being gay is not naturall.. thats just my opinion because if it was...then that would be able to happen ...but god has the final say in all the things we do..so i dont mistreat anyone ....or anylike that ..i luv everybody ....

So let me get this straight really quick.  Homosexual acts and behavior occur in thousands of different species in nature, but homosexuality is unnatural?  So wild animals in nature who have been observed and documented to participate in these homosexual acts and behaviors are actually acting unnaturally, even though they're wild animals who are in nature?

Never mind the fact that human beings are part of nature.  They are not outside of nature, they are within it.  Thus, if humans are within nature, everything humans do is part of nature, meaning any act of homosexuality carried out by humans is an act occurring within nature.  Therefore, it is as natural as anything else in this world.

Homosexuality is not unnatural.  You may disagree with it, you can say it's morally wrong, you can dislike it as much as you like.  It is plainly natural no matter what your opinion of it is.  It occurs in nature, that makes it natural.
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: walksalone11 on November 26, 2009, 09:59:19 pm
We are not ignoring him, we are just waiting for him to convince us that it is really his opinion and not one he was told to have and so does, but doesn't have any logical reason why.

Personal feeling, I was not taught to be hetero it was just natural. Do i believe gays should have no rights , no. Do i think homosexuality is wrong, yes.
K, got that part.....Why?
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: totosli_08 on November 26, 2009, 09:59:51 pm
exaccccctttllllyyy one of my main points what im trying to stress here ..is that i belive that being gay is not a natural affection ....but its no big of a sin or a conflict then the others  you should treat them in any diffreny kind of a way because i have gay friends and they know my strong belifs on these things.. but i dont be mean them cuz i belive that ..like i said before i dont have the finale judgement over anything only god does .....and gay people dont have to have kids the reason why i stated that is because we brung up the fact of reproduction and being on that subject.... answer my quistion... Will the world be able to populate with a man and a man or a women and a women .
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: GoGoKokiGo on November 26, 2009, 10:02:48 pm
Will the world be able to populate with a man and a man or a women and a women .
Yes actually, thanks to modern science. Any other questions?
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: liljp617 on November 26, 2009, 10:02:55 pm
Will the world be able to populate with a man and a man or a women and a women .

Your asking this question under the assumption that heterosexuality will go extinct, which, as I said, is just a dumb idea with no logical reasoning behind it.  Why would heterosexuality go extinct if homosexuality is tolerated?

Even if we assume your nonsensical assumption were to come true, the answer to your question is a very confirmed, yes.  We have had the science to impregnate women without involving intercourse for some time now.
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: rketcham on November 26, 2009, 10:03:12 pm
This thread is titled "gay rights" I think people gay straight black white midget disabled male female all have equal rigths. i do not approve of homosexuality.

Why am i heterosexual? because i love the ham wallet. what can i say
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: GoGoKokiGo on November 26, 2009, 10:04:14 pm
This thread is titled "gay rights" I think people gay straight black white midget disabled male female all have equal rigths. i do not approve of homosexuality.

Why am i heterosexual? because i love the ham wallet. what can i say
Oh you know what you have something in common with homosexual women...
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: rketcham on November 26, 2009, 10:06:38 pm
Oh you know what you have something in common with homosexual women...

ok you got me, but im a man and im attracted to the opposite sex
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: GoGoKokiGo on November 26, 2009, 10:08:49 pm
Oh you know what you have something in common with homosexual women...

ok you got me, but im a man and im attracted to the opposite sex
And you know what, that's totally okay. And there are people out there attracted to the same sex. And that's totally okay too. Pass it on.
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: totosli_08 on November 26, 2009, 10:09:20 pm
ok ...Lets Stick with the nature you were talking about ..i dont no if you are religious or not ..but back in the garden of eaden win god made adam and eve they were free of sin ...until they ate from the tree of good and evil and then there eyes were open to sin and then they hid there selfs from god  ..so what im trying to say is that god mad the devil the prince of the air and so you are going to see these things in nature but just becuase you see things in nature dosint mean its suppose to be there .....there scintists that breed diffrent animals together and they only live for a certain amount of time ....scintist have tried cloning but the longest a clone has  ever lived is for 3 hours why ..because it may seem natural to others it mabe be in natures form ..but that dosint mean its suppose to be there ......
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: GoGoKokiGo on November 26, 2009, 10:11:50 pm
ok ...Lets Stick with the nature you were talking about ..i dont no if you are religious or not ..but back in the garden of eaden win god made adam and eve they were free of sin ...until they ate from the tree of good and evil and then there eyes were open to sin and then they hid there selfs from god  ..so what im trying to say is that god mad the devil the prince of the air and so you are going to see these things in nature but just becuase you see things in nature dosint mean its suppose to be there .....there scintists that breed diffrent animals together and they only live for a certain amount of time ....scintist have tried cloning but the longest a clone has  ever lived is for 3 hours why ..because it may seem natural to others it mabe be in natures form ..but that dosint mean its suppose to be there ......
That's funny, that you talk about gay's as if they're some kind of scientific experiment. Who the hell cares about what happened in some supposed garden some time ago? I sure as hell don't. If the longevity of something is what you're worried about, don't worry. It seems like homosexuality has been going on for a long time, and it seems like it's going to keep going on for even longer.
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: walksalone11 on November 26, 2009, 10:12:33 pm
Oh you know what you have something in common with homosexual women...

ok you got me, but im a man and im attracted to the opposite sex
And you know what, that's totally okay. And there are people out there attracted to the same sex. And that's totally okay too. Pass it on.
And we wont even go into the ones who are attracted to the ones who are attracted to the same sex, or this thread is going to lose its PG rating in a hurry:0)
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: totosli_08 on November 26, 2009, 10:15:05 pm
plzzzzzzzz..show me ..some scientific evidence that a man can have a baby weres it gonna come out off .....thats my other quistions sinced you asked ..plz show me have modern scientific evidence ....that a women has sperm cells that can go into another women ..witch  thats not very logic..because the other wonmen would have sperm cells to ...and if you mix sperms cells it dont make a baby ..but newhoo...i really reallly want to know ...what man and man can have a baby from there body and a women and a women can have a baby together from there body....and im not talkin fake stuff like injecting sperm into a women ...again from a man...or mixing dna to make a baby still dont work ..still need spermmm..witch is from whatttt...A MAAAANNNN...
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: liljp617 on November 26, 2009, 10:15:30 pm
ok ...Lets Stick with the nature you were talking about ..i dont no if you are religious or not ..but back in the garden of eaden win god made adam and eve they were free of sin ...until they ate from the tree of good and evil and then there eyes were open to sin and then they hid there selfs from god  ..so what im trying to say is that god mad the devil the prince of the air and so you are going to see these things in nature but just becuase you see things in nature dosint mean its suppose to be there .....there scintists that breed diffrent animals together and they only live for a certain amount of time ....scintist have tried cloning but the longest a clone has  ever lived is for 3 hours why ..because it may seem natural to others it mabe be in natures form ..but that dosint mean its suppose to be there ......

I don't care about Genesis.  If you're attempting to take Genesis in a literal way AT ALL, I'll certainly walk away from this discussion because it's simply not worth the effort.

Your statement was that homosexuality is not natural.  It occurs in natural settings amongst natural characters (wild animals and human beings).  Explain how that makes it unnatural.  That's what I want.  I don't want explanations involving some metaphorical mythical knockoffs of Egyptian creation myths.
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: rketcham on November 26, 2009, 10:16:26 pm
Let me clarify something, i own and operate my own detailing business, for example if i were to detail a clients car and they were a homosexual they would get the same quality of work as a person with a heterosexual preference. This entire thread has been blown out of proportion, totosli created this thread with the intention of peoples OPINION, i stated my feelings and people question it? Okay, whatever, but its my view on the subject
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: GoGoKokiGo on November 26, 2009, 10:17:56 pm
plzzzzzzzz..show me ..some scientific evidence that a man can have a baby weres it gonna come out off .....thats my other quistions sinced you asked ..plz show me have modern scientific evidence ....that a women has sperm cells that can go into another women ..witch  thats not very logic..because the other wonmen would have sperm cells to ...and if you mix sperms cells it dont make a baby ..but newhoo...i really reallly want to know ...what man and man can have a baby from there body and a women and a women can have a baby together from there body....and im not talkin fake stuff like injecting sperm into a women ...again from a man...or mixing dna to make a baby still dont work ..still need spermmm..witch is from whatttt...A MAAAANNNN...
Well you know supposedly the virgin mary had kids without having sex at all, and by the sound of it it seems you believe in all that junk. How about this. You prove to me that god exists, and I mean real proof. Not that "he works in mysterious ways" crap. Cause I work in mysterious ways too but I don't get the same credit he does. If you can prove that to me. I'll change my mind and think homosexuality is as wrong as you do.
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: liljp617 on November 26, 2009, 10:19:00 pm
plzzzzzzzz..show me ..some scientific evidence that a man can have a baby weres it gonna come out off .....thats my other quistions sinced you asked ..plz show me have modern scientific evidence ....that a women has sperm cells that can go into another women ..witch  thats not very logic..because the other wonmen would have sperm cells to ...and if you mix sperms cells it dont make a baby ..but newhoo...i really reallly want to know ...what man and man can have a baby from there body and a women and a women can have a baby together from there body....and im not talkin fake stuff like injecting sperm into a women ...again from a man...or mixing dna to make a baby still dont work ..still need spermmm..witch is from whatttt...A MAAAANNNN...

You asked if the human race could continue if everyone was homosexual.  The answer is yes.  

No one said men would have children nor did anyone say women have sperm.  

Modern science allows people to get pregnant without intercourse between a man and woman.  That is all that was said and that means the answer to your question is "yes, the human race could easily continue in a world where everyone was homosexual."
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: totosli_08 on November 26, 2009, 10:20:08 pm
show me that its natural with evidence and ill show you thats its not ...with evidence...ooooo..ok so we starting does god exist  subject...let me post another link and ...i bet you by the time were done with this convo your eyes will be inlightend.....i do not debate the bible ..just speak what god reaveals to me ....... kkk
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: lightstar240 on November 26, 2009, 10:20:22 pm
I think that the world won't stop spinning whether or not I give an opinion, however, I'll go ahead and voice my views on the subject.

I don't agree with homosexuality. I think it's just...wrong. Why? Because I'm straight and view it as kind of weird, probably as do most people like me. Does that make me right? Of course not. We're all human, regardless of sexual orientation. I'm not gay. I don't know what it's like to be gay, and whether people choose that lifestyle or if it's all hormones. The only people who can really speak for that are homosexuals themselves. Therefore, I don't think that I really deserve an opinion on the matter.

As for rketcham's post, what I understood was that it is scientifically impossible for gay couples to conceive on their own and that therefore the human race would not continue unless there were at least some man/woman couples. This is fact. For now, anyways.
The rest of the comment might throw people off, but that part is particularly clear.
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: liljp617 on November 26, 2009, 10:22:25 pm
Let me clarify something, i own and operate my own detailing business, for example if i were to detail a clients car and they were a homosexual they would get the same quality of work as a person with a heterosexual preference. This entire thread has been blown out of proportion, totosli created this thread with the intention of peoples OPINION, i stated my feelings and people question it? Okay, whatever, but its my view on the subject

Of course people question your opinion.  What the hell is the point in having a discussion on a discussion forum if nobody is going to question what other people say?

Again, let me try to make this perfectly clear:  Nobody is against you having an opinion.  Nobody wants you to stop having opinions.  Nobody is against your right to have an opinion.

What people want to know is the logic behind your opinion.  We understand your stance.  We want to know why your opinion is what it is.  That is all.  You're shocked that someone would ask you to explain your opinion?  Why?
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: liljp617 on November 26, 2009, 10:24:11 pm
show me that its natural with evidence and ill show you thats its not ...with evidence...ooooo..ok so we starting does god exist  subject...let me post another link and ...i bet you by the time were done with this convo your eyes will be inlightend.....i do not debate the bible ..just speak what god reaveals to me ....... kkk

The simple fact that it happens in nature is proof that it is natural.  Is that seriously a difficult concept to grasp?  I don't care if it's "not supposed to be there" (whatever that means).  The simple fact of the matter is that it is there, making it a part of nature, and thus natural.
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: rketcham on November 26, 2009, 10:25:21 pm
Im not shocked to be questioned, nor are my opinions ones i try to make everyone follow. Nature was the reason behind my sexuality, not the media or church.
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: liljp617 on November 26, 2009, 10:26:29 pm
Im not shocked to be questioned, nor are my opinions ones i try to make everyone follow. Nature was the reason behind my sexuality, not the media or church.

And nature cannot be behind homosexuality, even though it has been clearly documented and observed in thousands of different species at many levels of nature?
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: rileyjade09 on November 26, 2009, 10:27:49 pm
I believe that if you swing the other way. Well then that's your choice. Many women and men prefer thier own gender,because they get along better and have a better understanding of oneonther beacause they are of the same sex. They know what to look for in a spouse because they are of same sex. Sometimes it makes up for a better realationship. So, I don't agree o disagree. i jus think that we all make are own choices, and mistakes. So who is it realy to decide if its wrong o not.  :dontknow:
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: totosli_08 on November 26, 2009, 10:27:59 pm
naturall... things in the norm .perferbely things in a constant rotation of itself .......beigging not normalll..is often stated as being out of the norm ......thats what i think in my own words
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: rketcham on November 26, 2009, 10:31:53 pm
And nature cannot be behind homosexuality, even though it has been clearly documented and observed in thousands of different species at many levels of nature?

Again, To Each There Own. I've stated my opinion (obviously) and my "logic" or "reasoning". Some species resort to homosexuality out of desperation and others just for no good reason. the human race is by no means in short supply of man/women relation, if thats your thing then roll with it do whatever makes your heart content and the day go by. Cheers
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: liljp617 on November 26, 2009, 10:32:15 pm
naturall... things in the norm .perferbely things in a constant rotation of itself .......beigging not normalll..is often stated as being out of the norm ......thats what i think in my own words

I just want to make sure I'm understanding:

If two male bottlenose dolphins in nature were to exhibit homosexual behavior, that would be unnatural?
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: totosli_08 on November 26, 2009, 10:35:50 pm
a yehhhhhh.......i clearly stated then any homosexual act is is out of the norm
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: liljp617 on November 26, 2009, 10:37:08 pm
You really just hurt my brain.  Things that occur in nature are now able to be considered unnatural.  New revelation for me...
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: GoGoKokiGo on November 26, 2009, 10:39:22 pm
show me that its natural with evidence and ill show you thats its not ...with evidence...ooooo..ok so we starting does god exist  subject...let me post another link and ...i bet you by the time were done with this convo your eyes will be inlightend.....i do not debate the bible ..just speak what god reaveals to me ....... kkk
HAHAHAHA Oh you silly silly thing. I'm enlightened by my own belief in humans and mostly in the belief of myself. When things go well people thank god...I think we should be thanking ourselves. We need to give ourselves more credit in the fact that we can do things imaginary beings can't.
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: GoGoKokiGo on November 26, 2009, 10:40:30 pm
a yehhhhhh.......i clearly stated then any homosexual act is is out of the norm
Actually you mostly just stated that it's out of the norm for you. It's actually quiet normal to a certain group of people...who are they again?? I forget the name...ah yes...homosexuals.
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: debraleesparks on November 26, 2009, 10:42:04 pm
 :dontknow:WHATEVER FLOATS YOUR BOAT.
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: totosli_08 on November 26, 2009, 10:43:07 pm
again ...jsut because somethings in nature dosint mean its suppose to be there.....thanks everybody for commenting on my posts and ..stuff and i aprreiciate all of you guys opinion.....i love all of you in god and stay well.. and  stay prayerfulll......im going to post another topic proboly tomorow ..and hope that you all can respond ....:) ...lol im on Fushion Cassh now like Facebook lol
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: rketcham on November 26, 2009, 10:43:16 pm
this is not moving forward at all its on a figure eight track with no stopping.
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: totosli_08 on November 26, 2009, 10:49:37 pm
what sleep with the same sex...and date the same sex...o i definatly know that us as human can do that..i guess you belive in evolution then  witch i also had the privlage of doing reasearch on .....you know ..i really like the way you debate ....i dont have anything against you at all..actuelly you are the only one up here that i can actuelly keep a debate going with......so your really cool .....imma post another link tomorow thow and i hope that you could respond cuz im sleepy its one a clock in the mornin over here  i got to rest my fingers lfor tomorow girl ... lol ......ttyawl
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: liljp617 on November 26, 2009, 10:50:16 pm
Can't wait to see your research on evolution!!


 ::)
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: totosli_08 on November 26, 2009, 10:51:22 pm
lol
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: rketcham on November 26, 2009, 10:52:23 pm
Can't wait to see your research on evolution!!


 ::)


What was first the chicken or the egg? and why did it cross the road?
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: totosli_08 on November 26, 2009, 10:53:06 pm
lol thatz funny
Title: Re: Gay Rights
Post by: GoGoKokiGo on November 26, 2009, 11:41:37 pm
what sleep with the same sex...and date the same sex...o i definatly know that us as human can do that..i guess you belive in evolution then  witch i also had the privlage of doing reasearch on .....you know ..i really like the way you debate ....i dont have anything against you at all..actuelly you are the only one up here that i can actuelly keep a debate going with......so your really cool .....imma post another link tomorow thow and i hope that you could respond cuz im sleepy its one a clock in the mornin over here  i got to rest my fingers lfor tomorow girl ... lol ......ttyawl
Lol who was he talking to?