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Discussion Boards => Off-Topic => Topic started by: mlmhome on December 02, 2009, 03:52:28 am
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I will like someone's opinion please!
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I don't thinks he is considering Iraq, he was trying to decide whether to send more to Afganistan. I guess he finally made up his mind. Glad it wasn't urgent.
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I really believe that in this day and time, war is obsolete.
It also pisses me off how the US continues to run all over the world shoving US values and agendas down peoples throats.
No wonder, the US has lost so much favor in the world view and has become the laughing stock of the world. If you doubt that, the internet makes it very very simple to ask folks in many far off lands what their opinion of the US is......I have had a keen interest in this particular perception for several years.
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No, we had no business there in the first place.
Nobody is considering sending more troops to Iraq.
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NO!!!!! I'M A MILITARY WIFE AND SENDING 30,000 MORE TROOPS WOULD ONLY WORRY MOTHER'S, FATHER'S, SIS AND BRO EVEN MORE. 18 MONTH TIME LINE, IT WOULD TAKE LONGER THAN 18 MONTHS FOR THE U.S. TO PULL OUT.
WE HAVE PROBLEMS IN OUR OWN BACK YARD. FAMILIES LOOSING THERE HOMES TO FORECLOSURE, HOMELESSNESS, UNEMPLOYMENT AND SENIOR CITIZENS SITTING AT THERE KITCHEN TABLES TRYING TO DECIDE IF THEY CAN AFFORD THERE MEDICATION THIS MONTH BECAUSE MEDICARE ONLY COVERS A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE. THE ELDERLY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO MAKE THOSE KIND OF FINANICAL DECISIONS EVERY MONTH. AFTER ALL, THEY ONLY WORKED 30+ YEARS OF THERE LIVES AND NEVER ASKED FOR A HAND-OUT.
EXCUSE ME FOR BEING PISSSSSED!!!!!!!!!!!
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NO!!!!! I'M A MILITARY WIFE AND SENDING 30,000 MORE TROOPS WOULD ONLY WORRY MOTHER'S, FATHER'S, SIS AND BRO EVEN MORE. 18 MONTH TIME LINE, IT WOULD TAKE LONGER THAN 18 MONTHS FOR THE U.S. TO PULL OUT.
WE HAVE PROBLEMS IN OUR OWN BACK YARD. FAMILIES LOOSING THERE HOMES TO FORECLOSURE, HOMELESSNESS, UNEMPLOYMENT AND SENIOR CITIZENS SITTING AT THERE KITCHEN TABLES TRYING TO DECIDE IF THEY CAN AFFORD THERE MEDICATION THIS MONTH BECAUSE MEDICARE ONLY COVERS A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE. THE ELDERLY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO MAKE THOSE KIND OF FINANICAL DECISIONS EVERY MONTH. AFTER ALL, THEY ONLY WORKED 30+ YEARS OF THERE LIVES AND NEVER ASKED FOR A HAND-OUT.
EXCUSE ME FOR BEING PISSSSSED!!!!!!!!!!!
People here are worried about unemployment and foreclosure.
People in Afghanistan are worried about whether their house will be blown up or they'll lose their life to a car bomb in the local market picking up food for dinner.
While both are cause for concern and need to be strongly addressed, I hope it's agreed upon that one takes slight precedence over the other. People in the military opted to join, and I thank them for every single thing they sacrifice, but "it will just cause families to worry if we send them" is a sorry excuse at best.
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I believe that the war is "right" so to say...But I think we need more men and women in the Armed Forces. BUT What's with them not letting someone join the military if that someone has a tattoo on their arm?
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No , but he'll do it anyway .....the goverement has a no limit policy when it comes to bloodshed it seems
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well im not to sure
its kinda both ways
i mean yes i want the troops to come bak to the U.S. and be safe
tho it goes both ways where if we pulled out now then we are ending the war
and the war isnt over
i truely wish it was over and hope it ends soon
and we do get the troops home sooner
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No , but he'll do it anyway .....the goverement has a no limit policy when it comes to bloodshed it seems
You'd probably be quite surprised if you were to compare how expendable soldiers were during WWI/WWII vs current times.
We've lost around 5,200 members of the US military in Iraq and Afghanistan combined (about 8 years). The US lost over 318,000 in WWII (about 3-4 years). The Soviet Union lost 8 million in WWII. England lost over 580,000.
Obviously these were much larger wars taking place on multiple continents, but there was still an attitude that soldiers of that time were inexpensive, and thus expendable. Now you have a soldier who is probably wearing equipment worth thousands of dollars -- they're no longer nearly as expendable. Money talks.
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It's great how there's never a problem finding more money to go blow things up, but it's damn near impossible to find money for thing to help everyday Americans. Like, decent healthcare. What a great country we are.
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I think we are already broke and don't have the funds to support 30k additional troops over there. Protect the homeland before you attempt to control the world!
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Personally, I think the US needs to worry about the US. If other countries can't figure themselves out or stop the internal fighting, leave them to it. Although it is heartbreaking to see these other countries with such problems, it is more heartbreaking for me to see Americans and their families displaced and out of work. I think we should fix America before sticking our noses in other contries affairs. If this country wasn't such a snob in thinking they could fix everyone else's problems, maybe they wouldn't hate us so much.
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Personally, I think the US needs to worry about the US. If other countries can't figure themselves out or stop the internal fighting, leave them to it. Although it is heartbreaking to see these other countries with such problems, it is more heartbreaking for me to see Americans and their families displaced and out of work. I think we should fix America before sticking our noses in other contries affairs. If this country wasn't such a snob in thinking they could fix everyone else's problems, maybe they wouldn't hate us so much.
It's more heartbreaking to you to see people at an unemployment office than it is to see an illiterate ten year old go through the day thinking he could get killed by a car bomb today? I refuse to believe you hold that position. Please tell me you don't.
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The whole idea that we can stop terrorists from blowing people up with carbombs, by carpetbombing the area killing the very same civilians, is pretty illogical :) There are very bad things going on in this country which should be tackled first. Some people believe that we should spend all our money on war and bringing peace to other countries, which BTW never really works... it usually ends up killing far more civilians than would have died under the normal reign of power, and much more terror is in everyone's lives. Not to mention we lose our own soldiers... then a new dictator comes about and it begins again. Its a great profit for the companies of course who are involved in rebuilding, the blowing up, then rebuilding, then blowing up etc. Nice steady income! Not much checks and balances or audits in a war zone either, so very handy for the criminal minded businessman.
Some people think we should spend more on education instead of war, and building healthy relationships through trade agreements etc. Its basically a mentality of "we should save everyone else on earth, forget about our kids and people locally, they are not under threat of a grenade, so screw them and let them be homeless, its not as much to worry about" versus "we are in America, and we should be better than these other countries, lets focus on education and protecting our own country.". Everyone knows that terrorism has gotten worse, and we are no safer today than before the IRAQ war, in fact we have even more enemies and larger breeding grounds for terrorists now! Each group of civilians killed is yet another family of potential terrorists seeking revenge.. This is all obvious I would suspect, but some still think "thousands of soldiers lives,and hundreds of thousands of civilians lives are worth taking out a single evil dictator". In fact they could have taken Saddam out without this war as well.. so what was it really about? regime change... of course. Who runs IRAQ now?
Saddam hated terrorists and fought alqueda himself, he was non secular. Horrible dictator, but the living conditions were much better while he was in power than they are now. IRAQ was a much better country than China for example which has the most deaths by the hands of their own government than any other country. Yet we deal heavily with China and have the majority of our product come from there... The terrorists were not from IRAQ or had any affiliation with IRAQ, they were mostly from Saudi Arabia, and they all lived in the US etc for years... The there is the excuse of WMD.. not only was now found (which means there was at LEAST not a HUGE amount) but countries like North Korea taunt us on a regular basis, they HAVE nukes, and we know it... and they test missiles while threatening us... but nothing there? ... so what is the war in IRAQ and Afghanistan over again? not WMD... not Terrorists who the government admits mostly are in sleeper cells and all over the world in different countries... ? I would say the same as usual... big war is big business. And your children will die for this corporation called the US military which no longer defends the constitution, they work to expand the empire and as cannon fodder for some rich politicians who have the highest conflicts of interest possible deciding war strategy and how they will send the money to companies that they hold stock in or sit as boards of directors on.. .Halliberton, Xe etc.
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Personally, I think the US needs to worry about the US. If other countries can't figure themselves out or stop the internal fighting, leave them to it. Although it is heartbreaking to see these other countries with such problems, it is more heartbreaking for me to see Americans and their families displaced and out of work. I think we should fix America before sticking our noses in other contries affairs. If this country wasn't such a snob in thinking they could fix everyone else's problems, maybe they wouldn't hate us so much.
It's more heartbreaking to you to see people at an unemployment office than it is to see an illiterate ten year old go through the day thinking he could get killed by a car bomb today? I refuse to believe you hold that position. Please tell me you don't.
Like I said, yes both scenarios are very sad and unfortunate but I don't feel it's my husbands duty when he signed up to protect our country to go somewhere we aren't wanted and possibly get killed. I will repeat myself, we need to fix America before worrying about other countries.
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How about guarding our own fucked up borders??? Last time i checked there's a Drug war going on??? Makes no sense at all... :BangHead:
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:thumbsup:AMERICA FIRST!!!!!!!!
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Personally, I think the US needs to worry about the US. If other countries can't figure themselves out or stop the internal fighting, leave them to it. Although it is heartbreaking to see these other countries with such problems, it is more heartbreaking for me to see Americans and their families displaced and out of work. I think we should fix America before sticking our noses in other contries affairs. If this country wasn't such a snob in thinking they could fix everyone else's problems, maybe they wouldn't hate us so much.
It's more heartbreaking to you to see people at an unemployment office than it is to see an illiterate ten year old go through the day thinking he could get killed by a car bomb today? I refuse to believe you hold that position. Please tell me you don't.
Like I said, yes both scenarios are very sad and unfortunate but I don't feel it's my husbands duty when he signed up to protect our country to go somewhere we aren't wanted and possibly get killed. I will repeat myself, we need to fix America before worrying about other countries.
With all due respect and no offense meant, that is precisely one of your husband's duties and that's the responsibility he knowingly opted into when he signed the forms.
I also think you'd be surprised by the number of Afghans who want the international community there. Almost every poll I've seen shows a majority of Afghans fond of US/NATO presence. They don't want to be abandoned and left to fend for themselves against the Taliban. The Afghans have, of course, made it clear they want to do things differently, specifically in relation to the corruption and inefficiency.
Now, if you're talking about Iraq, I agree. We had no business being there in the first place and we've sacrificed more than enough for that country -- they should be able to take the reigns from here and handle their issues now.
Afghanistan is a different story from Iraq, however. Let's not forget that we were (supposedly) attacked by the organizations located on the Afghanistan/Pakistan border. We have economic interests in the stability of the Middle East, we have foreign policy interests in the Middle East that effect all our other foreign relations, we arguably have a moral responsibility to help those who can't help themselves, etc. etc. We have many interests in the Middle East, especially in Afghanistan.
Just a quick question though, as I'm not really making the connection and am slightly confused: You want the military to pull out and come back home because we have rough a economic situation currently, with high unemployment and so on. How would the military coming home help people with unemployment or avoiding foreclosure? You don't think the military provides jobs on the home front? Wouldn't you say a lot of the remaining manufacturing in this country provides many materials for the military?
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The money put into the war effort could easily fund the health care system, bring the economy back, and pay off most all of our bills. xD Not saying that's what should be done, but the war is a big factor on our economy... the education system and every government related project.
Let's not forget that we were (supposedly) attacked by the organizations located on the Afghanistan/Pakistan border.
Supposedly we also went to IRAQ over WMD, then it was 9/11, then it was just for terrorism... The truth of the matter is, the hijackers were long gone out of those countries for years, went to school, trained in the US and UK etc. The money was traced back to a Pakistani intelligence officer. So the funding came from there, I think all but maybe 2 of the Hijackers were born and raised in Saudi Arabia. The Taliban even offered to hand over Bin Laden to America when the incident first happened, only if we provided some sort of proof. Since Bin Laden had publicly denied it at that point and even to them, and the US rather than provide proof decided a war is a better solution... Taliban are not 'good' people by any means, but they were willing to hand over Bin Laden at the time and didn't only due to the fact that the US did not want him. They wanted war at the time. War in Afghanistan will not help fight terrorism which is in many countries, recruits from places like Saudi Arabia and trains in places like the US.
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No, and are you sure the president is sending more to Iraq? I thought it was Afghanistan... But Idk. Anyway I wish this whole dang war was over with.
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Personally, I think the US needs to worry about the US. If other countries can't figure themselves out or stop the internal fighting, leave them to it. Although it is heartbreaking to see these other countries with such problems, it is more heartbreaking for me to see Americans and their families displaced and out of work. I think we should fix America before sticking our noses in other contries affairs. If this country wasn't such a snob in thinking they could fix everyone else's problems, maybe they wouldn't hate us so much.
It's more heartbreaking to you to see people at an unemployment office than it is to see an illiterate ten year old go through the day thinking he could get killed by a car bomb today? I refuse to believe you hold that position. Please tell me you don't.
Like I said, yes both scenarios are very sad and unfortunate but I don't feel it's my husbands duty when he signed up to protect our country to go somewhere we aren't wanted and possibly get killed. I will repeat myself, we need to fix America before worrying about other countries.
With all due respect and no offense meant, that is precisely one of your husband's duties and that's the responsibility he knowingly opted into when he signed the forms.
I also think you'd be surprised by the number of Afghans who want the international community there. Almost every poll I've seen shows a majority of Afghans fond of US/NATO presence. They don't want to be abandoned and left to fend for themselves against the Taliban. The Afghans have, of course, made it clear they want to do things differently, specifically in relation to the corruption and inefficiency.
Now, if you're talking about Iraq, I agree. We had no business being there in the first place and we've sacrificed more than enough for that country -- they should be able to take the reigns from here and handle their issues now.
Afghanistan is a different story from Iraq, however. Let's not forget that we were (supposedly) attacked by the organizations located on the Afghanistan/Pakistan border. We have economic interests in the stability of the Middle East, we have foreign policy interests in the Middle East that effect all our other foreign relations, we arguably have a moral responsibility to help those who can't help themselves, etc. etc. We have many interests in the Middle East, especially in Afghanistan.
Just a quick question though, as I'm not really making the connection and am slightly confused: You want the military to pull out and come back home because we have rough a economic situation currently, with high unemployment and so on. How would the military coming home help people with unemployment or avoiding foreclosure? You don't think the military provides jobs on the home front? Wouldn't you say a lot of the remaining manufacturing in this country provides many materials for the military?
I don't recall mentioning my opinion of whether they should or should not pull out completely, just that I don't agree we should be sending more troops over there, wherever the 'there' may be. My opinions of this have more than just the economic crisis in mind. It has to do with the financial restraints this war is placing on our country, money that could be going to homeless families/people, healthcare, education, drug education, sexual education, providing more law enforcement for crime riddled communities, so on and so forth.
I feel, again, I should make myself clear as it seems you're interested into turning my past posts into a debate I had not intended on starting. First, they are just opinions....mine. Nor am I trying to convince anyone to believe as I do. I believe this thread was started to get people's opinions and I gave mine. Second, I feel America should be put first by Americans to help Americans. Once our country is stable, financially as well as all other aspects than we can, if wanted, help other countries. We were, at one point and in most minds are still considered, the richest country in the world. Seems to me that if most of the American population cannot afford healthcare for their children much less basic necessities such as clothing and food, that should be a bigger worry to the 'Patriotic' people who support the war. That being said, I do support the men and women who defend and put their lives on the line every single day. The war, however, is a much different story.
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The money put into the war effort could easily fund the health care system, bring the economy back, and pay off most all of our bills. xD Not saying that's what should be done, but the war is a big factor on our economy... the education system and every government related project.
I assumed you were opposed to government intervention into the areas of economics and the like?
Let's not forget that we were (supposedly) attacked by the organizations located on the Afghanistan/Pakistan border.
Supposedly we also went to IRAQ over WMD, then it was 9/11, then it was just for terrorism... The truth of the matter is, the hijackers were long gone out of those countries for years, went to school, trained in the US and UK etc. The money was traced back to a Pakistani intelligence officer. So the funding came from there, I think all but maybe 2 of the Hijackers were born and raised in Saudi Arabia. The Taliban even offered to hand over Bin Laden to America when the incident first happened, only if we provided some sort of proof. Since Bin Laden had publicly denied it at that point and even to them, and the US rather than provide proof decided a war is a better solution... Taliban are not 'good' people by any means, but they were willing to hand over Bin Laden at the time and didn't only due to the fact that the US did not want him. They wanted war at the time. War in Afghanistan will not help fight terrorism which is in many countries, recruits from places like Saudi Arabia and trains in places like the US.
I say "supposedly" only because Bin Laden has never even been officially charged by the FBI for the attacks on 9/11. Along with the idea that I find it extremely difficult to believe we want Bin Laden dead given Clinton's lack of trying, Bush's lack of trying, and the current lack of trying. If we wanted him dead, he'd be gone in a less than 3 days. The issue is fishy to say the least, but I'm not going to jump to random conclusions.
Like I mentioned, we certainly have more interests in the Middle East beyond "helping people." An unstable Middle East is a very unstable global economy and a very unstable foreign policy universe to name probably the most important interests we have there.
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Yeah but you talk about unstable economy, unstable foreign policy, and unstable middle east as if its a bad thing xD
Those who make money based on all of those factors, love it!
I am against Federal government intervention in most cases, but there are special cases where they may need to help in disastrous situations. Most of the time this can be solved by the private sector or the state government. Before the taxes were outrageous and the inflation skyrocketed it was not too uncommon for people to donate towards local public facilities like community hospitals, or other fund raisers for their communities. As the taxes go up, and inflation increases prices, its much harder to fund these sorts of things. Less important when things like 'universal healthcare' is pushed on you. These things make the government more needed. Theres nothing a big Federal Government likes more than to force people to NEED them. Economy, War, Fear, its all great tools to convince people that they NEED the big Federal Government to help them. However looking into it, most often these problems like Fear, Economy, and War, actually stem from them. The classic "Problem Reaction Solution" at work.