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I'm curious to see how many of you people believe... Do you think that your spirit is either going to heaven or hell? remember, the bible says NOTHING about either one.
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Yes I do. I may not live the way I should but I do believe. How about you? You did not say.
Annette
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I beleive the same thing. Hell is here, and when the world is destroyed by fire, we'll all go to heaven, hell will be over......... :angel11:
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yes i do
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I don't believe we have a spirit, much less heaven and hell. Just be good to yourself and others. :thumbsup:
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Yes i do....
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Heaven or Hell?
Uhhh no.
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Not really sure, kind wonder sometimes. Guess we will all find out soon enough.
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No.
It's also a pretty big stretch to say the Bible makes no mention or implication of a heaven and hell. The concept of purgatory is another story however.
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Yes but I tend to disagree with the popular notion "going to heaven or hell" because more often than not they are not what the scriptures would say.
And yes, the bible does say something about both, depending on your definition of "heaven/hell."
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It depends. The Bible actually does quite clearly declare all true believers in Jesus go onto a favorable afterlife. True, it's on Earth rather than Heaven(which is in the sky), but the principal is there.
As to Hell, there's little doubt the concept was foreign to Jesus and Paul, but it is certainly in the Bible. Revelations adds it, and declares it lasts forever. It also introduces the Greek concept of an immortal soul. Something no Jew believed in.
The only way to get Hell out of the Bible is to get rid of John's Revelation.
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I don't believe in Heaven or Hell in the "normal" context used by those names. I do believe that whereever you go after death could be good or a bad circumstance, but not a "place".
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Definition: The word “hell” is found in many Bible translations. In the same verses other translations read “the grave,” “the world of the dead,” and so forth. Other Bibles simply transliterate the original-language words that are sometimes rendered “hell”; that is, they express them with the letters of our alphabet but leave the words untranslated. What are those words? The Hebrew she’ohl′ and its Greek equivalent hai′des, which refer, not to an individual burial place, but to the common grave of dead mankind; also the Greek ge′en‧na, which is used as a symbol of eternal destruction. However, both in Christendom and in many non-Christian religions it is taught that hell is a place inhabited by demons and where the wicked, after death, are punished (and some believe that this is with torment).
Eccl. 9:5, 10: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all . . . All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol,* the place to which you are going.
Much confusion and misunderstanding has been caused through the early translators of the Bible persistently rendering the Hebrew Sheol and the Greek Hades and Gehenna by the word hell. The simple transliteration of these words by the translators of the revised editions of the Bible has not sufficed to appreciably clear up this confusion and misconception
Translators have allowed their personal beliefs to color their work instead of being consistent in their rendering of the original-language words. For example: (1) The King James Version rendered she’ohl′ as “hell,” “the grave,” and “the pit”; hai′des is therein rendered both “hell” and “grave”; ge′en‧na is also translated “hell.” (2) Today’s English Version transliterates hai′des as “Hades” and also renders it as “hell” and “the world of the dead.” But besides rendering “hell” from hai′des it uses that same translation for ge′en‧na. (3) The Jerusalem Bible transliterates hai′des six times, but in other passages it translates it as “hell” and as “the underworld.” It also translates ge′en‧na as “hell,” as it does hai′des in two instances. Thus the exact meanings of the original-language words have been obscured
Rev. 14:9-11; 20:10, KJ: “If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: and the smoke of their torment [Greek, basa‧ni‧smou′] ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.” “And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.”
What is the ‘torment’ to which these texts refer? It is noteworthy that at Revelation 11:10 (KJ) reference is made to ‘prophets that torment those dwelling on the earth.’ Such torment results from humiliating exposure by the messages that these prophets proclaim. At Revelation 14:9-11 (KJ) worshipers of the symbolic “beast and his image” are said to be “tormented with fire and brimstone.” This cannot refer to conscious torment after death because “the dead know not any thing.” (Eccl. 9:5, KJ) Then, what causes them to experience such torment while they are still alive? It is the proclamation by God’s servants that worshipers of the “beast and his image” will experience second death, which is represented by “the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone.” The smoke, associated with their fiery destruction, ascends forever because the destruction will be eternal and will never be forgotten. When Revelation 20:10 says that the Devil is to experience ‘torment forever and ever’ in “the lake of fire and brimstone,” what does that mean? Revelation 21:8 (KJ) says clearly that “the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone” means “the second death.” So the Devil’s being “tormented” there forever means that there will be no relief for him; he will be held under restraint forever, actually in eternal death. This use of the word “torment” (from the Greek ba′sa‧nos) reminds one of its use at Matthew 18:34, where the same basic Greek word is applied to a ‘jailer.’—RS, AT, ED, NW.
Is there some part of man that lives on when the body dies?
Ezek. 18:4: “The soul [“soul,” RS, NE, KJ, Dy, Kx; “man,” JB; “person,” TEV] that is sinning—it itself will die.”
Isa. 53:12: “He poured out his soul [“soul,” RS, KJ, Dy; “life,” TEV; “himself,” JB, Kx, NAB] to the very death.” (Compare Matthew 26:38.)
See also the main headings “Soul” and “Spirit.”
Are the dead in any way able to help or to harm the living?
Eccl. 9:6: “Their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun.”
Isa. 26:14: “They are dead; they will not live. Impotent in death, they will not rise up.”
Where are the dead?
Gen. 3:19: “In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.”
Eccl. 9:10: “All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol [“the grave,” KJ, Kx; “the world of the dead,” TEV], the place to which you are going.”
My point is the Bible doesn't read anything about a good hearted soul rising up to a Heaven... or being tortured in Hell...Hell is the Grave...and yeah Heaven according to the Bible means a Paradise on the earth.
Not that I even believe that story either... I'm just trying to prove most people don't even go by the bible.
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Please don't throw me in that brier patch.....(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g228/walksalone11/smileys/Gun.gif)
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yeh ..i belive in heaven and hell
and the bible does talk about heaven and hell alot actuelly it says all liers will have their part in the lack of fire
it talks about death having the keys to hell ..it mostly in revelations and jessu speaks of going to heaven and living forever with the lord alot .....
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Yeah, okay, as a mortal being, I do believe in both.
But, as of now, I should say hell or heaven is where you are, and what you make of your world :binkybaby:
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My point is the Bible doesn't read anything about a good hearted soul rising up to a Heaven... or being tortured in Hell...Hell is the Grave...and yeah Heaven according to the Bible means a Paradise on the earth.
Not that I even believe that story either... I'm just trying to prove most people don't even go by the bible.
I'm confused.
First, your claim was the bible says nothing about either heaven or hell. Now you concede it does.
Which is it?
But since you don't believe in either story, why does it matter to you that people go by it or not?
Hell is the Grave...and yeah Heaven according to the Bible means a Paradise on the earth.
But none of these ideas are Biblical. I would call your concepts of heaven and hell heresy.
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Yes I do. If there's good there should be evil so we appreciate the good. :wave:
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I don't believe there is a Heaven or Hell,but then again that just my belief. I don't know what to believe.
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i don't believe in heaven or hell, but i do believe in being good.
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I do believe there is life after in heaven and hell.
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I don't believe in them. I think death is the end. Nothing else after that; no heaven or hell.
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My point is the Bible doesn't read anything about a good hearted soul rising up to a Heaven... or being tortured in Hell...Hell is the Grave...and yeah Heaven according to the Bible means a Paradise on the earth.
Not that I even believe that story either... I'm just trying to prove most people don't even go by the bible.
I'm confused.
First, your claim was the bible says nothing about either heaven or hell. Now you concede it does.
Which is it?
But since you don't believe in either story, why does it matter to you that people go by it or not?
Hell is the Grave...and yeah Heaven according to the Bible means a Paradise on the earth.
But none of these ideas are Biblical. I would call your concepts of heaven and hell heresy.
Actually his posts regarding Hell being a grave are completely accurate, barring the single mention in Revelation.
Jews do not, nor did they ever believe in Hell. This includes Jesus. Hell was a Persian concept brought into Christianity some time later.
And Heaven being paradise on Earth isn't even disputable. Not only is it not heresy it's impossible to reconcile any other conclusion from reading the Bible itself. Daniel is the first book to mention the concept of being raised from the dead, and it's in Israel.
When Paul speaks of it, he never once speaks of an eternity spent anywhere else but Earth.
Finally in Revelation Jesus's throne is where? Not the sky. But king David's throne, in(you guessed it) geographic Jerusalem.
I don't think you've read your Bible very often to be lacking in these basic and very straight forward concepts.
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Yes I do. If there's good there should be evil so we appreciate the good. :wave:
Might I ask: Why isn't it the opposite?
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yes yes yes
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yes yes yes
exactly....and nows when you call me "Oh God"!
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There is most definitely life after death. You must have faith.
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My point is the Bible doesn't read anything about a good hearted soul rising up to a Heaven... or being tortured in Hell...Hell is the Grave...and yeah Heaven according to the Bible means a Paradise on the earth.
Not that I even believe that story either... I'm just trying to prove most people don't even go by the bible.
I'm confused.
First, your claim was the bible says nothing about either heaven or hell. Now you concede it does.
Which is it?
But since you don't believe in either story, why does it matter to you that people go by it or not?
Hell is the Grave...and yeah Heaven according to the Bible means a Paradise on the earth.
But none of these ideas are Biblical. I would call your concepts of heaven and hell heresy.
Actually his posts regarding Hell being a grave are completely accurate, barring the single mention in Revelation.
Jews do not, nor did they ever believe in Hell. This includes Jesus. Hell was a Persian concept brought into Christianity some time later.
And Heaven being paradise on Earth isn't even disputable. Not only is it not heresy it's impossible to reconcile any other conclusion from reading the Bible itself. Daniel is the first book to mention the concept of being raised from the dead, and it's in Israel.
When Paul speaks of it, he never once speaks of an eternity spent anywhere else but Earth.
Finally in Revelation Jesus's throne is where? Not the sky. But king David's throne, in(you guessed it) geographic Jerusalem.
I don't think you've read your Bible very often to be lacking in these basic and very straight forward concepts.
I don't disagree with the biblical authors' words, nor do I want to redefine anything. I just disagree with the point he's offering because it tells only a part of the story, not of its (in)accuracy.
EDIT: Actually, I re-read some of the OP's previous posts (http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=6922.msg120028#msg120028) in a different thread (http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=6922.msg120030#msg120030) where he had posted the same bible quotes.
Surely they are accurate (according to a Jehovah's Witness bible) but I would still call them heresy since they don't share the same theological tradition.
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Heaven for sure :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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There is most definitely life after death. You must have faith.
You don't think those two sentences contradict each other??
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I dont believe really believe in both!!!
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im not sure if i really do believe in heaven and hell...but if there is such thing i would like to go to heaven please lol. :angel11:
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I am not a believer in Bull**** :)
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yeah i believe in heaven and hell. its weird sometimes becuase i dont know why some people were struck with grief when a loved one with no bad deeds passed away. they should be happy that they're in a better place now.
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I hate to break the bad news to ya ^^^ but you should read my last post...
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yeah i believe in heaven and hell. its weird sometimes becuase i dont know why some people were struck with grief when a loved one with no bad deeds passed away. they should be happy that they're in a better place now.
I would not say some people are struck with grief for their passed ones.
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:) Heaven exists! :( Hell exists! --Both of them exist! I have been there...and know what is all about!
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Hell exists! --Both of them exist! I have been there...and know what is all about!
Detroit, right?
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i have heard some stuff about both, but it all depends on what you believe in
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i do but only for personal reasons that make me want to believe.
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If anyone has been to Fairbanks, Alaska or Waco, Texas, you'd certainly believe hell exists. ;D
In all seriousness, heaven and hell both exist!
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yes
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These places exist only in the demented minds of human beings.
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yes
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No I don't believe in a heaven or a hell as a literal place you go when you die. I believe there is heaven or hell here on earth. It's a state of being. You don't have to die to get there.
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Yes i believe in both. But everyones beliefs are different. ::)
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I believe there is a heaven and a hell,
Those who are saved by the grace of
Jesus will go to heaven and return with
him during his second coming after the
Tribluation Period is over and I firmly
believe in the "Spirit" man,However
those who have accepted Jesus as
they're Lord and Saviour will go to
hell because in the bible Jesus says no
comes to the father but by me and goes
on to say I am the Life,Truth and the way.
I myself am a Pentcostal church goer and
my Pastor always quotes the one verse that
is John 3:16 Jesus' motive is that he Loves
you and that is why he came to this earth to die on
the cross so that the curse that we were under by
Adam and Eve and the "Old Law" We are under a new
law.
I feel like I am preaching but i never have if there is anyone
who wants the Lord and it is a personal choice i believe i
don't believe in throwing the bible down throats some people
are scared because of that but to tell someone Jesus loves you
even though you are a sinner is precious and if you want the Lord
please repeat after me.
Oh Jesus, i believe that you died on the cross for my sins
and rose again. I want to serve you and only you i give my
life to you take away the lonelyness take away my sins and
fill me with your everlasting love and holy spirit.I surrender
my life to you in Jesus' name Amen!
Remember though a lesson i had to learn from my pastor the flesh is
weak but the spirit is willing.
God bless you all,bye.
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It depends.
I missed your following post here, which I think only tells half the story.
It's not so much that I disagree with the notion itself, but instead, "it being popularized."
The Bible actually does quite clearly declare all true believers in Jesus go onto a favorable afterlife.
To a certain extent.
I don't think it's quite clear on what that "favorable afterlife" is, or even how (or if) they "go onto."
True, it's on Earth
But not on the Earth as we know it to be now.
Heaven(which is in the sky),
If you're talking about floating about on a cloud with strange lights and music, then this is the concept of "heaven" informed to us by mainstream and pop culture as opposed to scholarly research, historical development, etc.
but the principal is there.
The kind of description of heaven found in Revelations is the New Jerusalem and its description is what we can expect for the city, but as far as the eternal order is concerned we can only say what Paul said in Corinthians---"eye hath not seen, nor hath ear heard, nor hath it entered into the heart of man the things that God has in store for those who love Him. What we call heaven is beyond being able to be accurately described with human language. Like the candy bar it will be "indescribably delicious".
Back in Bible college I had to define theological terms for Kingdom of Heaven/God and this was what I came up with.
The Kingdom of God is the sovereign rule of God on earth which was initiated by during Christ’s ministry and will be completed at the Second Coming of Christ, when evil is fully overcome. Subjects of the kingdom of God will experience blessedness (like that of the Garden of Eden) and joy. The church is the community of the Kingdom of God.
Matthew 5
2 and he began to teach them saying: 3 "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven...10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
So according to the above definitions, "heaven" is God's kingly throne room.
As to Hell, there's little doubt the concept was foreign to Jesus and Paul, but it is certainly in the Bible.
Jesus seems to speak of it as a place, which sometimes refers to a trash dump... and sometimes hades, which is akin to Sheol...
The valley of Hinnom was far worse than a dump. It was a place of rotting corpses, garbage, fire burning stuff and general nastiness that a modern dump does not begin to broach in horror.
The only way to get Hell out of the Bible is to get rid of John's Revelation.
I don't disagree.
'Hell' in this context is sheol/hades, the abode of the dead.
Acts 2:31
he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. [referring to Psalm 16]
Romans 10:7
or " 'Who will descend into the abyss?' " (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).
Ephesians 4:8-10
8 Therefore it says,
"When he ascended on high he led a host of captives,
and he gave gifts to men."
9 (In saying, "He ascended," what does it mean but that he had also descended into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He who descended is the one who also ascended far above all the heavens, that he might fill all things.) [Referring to Psalm 68]
And therefore:
Revelation 1:17-18
17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, "Fear not, I am the first and the last,
18 and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.
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Yes I do believe in heaven and in hell, as for what they are I dont think any of us can say, the bible makes several references and heaven sounds amazing but none of us can say since we have never seen it.
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It's interesting to see how many of you believe in heaven and hell. Do you believe that once you're saved you remain saved no matter what you do and how many times you do it?
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I think we should be worrying about more important things than whether there is a heaven or hell but.... I don't believe that there is in the bible's context. I believe that heaven or hell is here now on earth. You see it everywhere & all around you.
Sometime we create our own hell or heaven sometimes we experience hell to no fault of your own.
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Well, think about this. I believe those living for God, that this is as close to hell as they'll ever be. And I believe those who don't live for God that this is the closest to Heaven that they'll ever be.. And yes, looking at it this way, this is MY hell. I'm makin the best of it. You know how they say take one day at a time. I now take it one hour at a time. :notworthy:
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Nope, can't say that I do.
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W. C. Fields spent his life like he did not believe in heaven or hell. But when he was near death his girl friend found him reading the Bible. She asked him why he was reading it since he did not believe in it. He answered "I'm looking for loopholes" :notworthy: :notworthy:
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One thing for sure, I'm clueless, but I know God is REaAAL :thumbsup:
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Yes I believe in a reward and a punishment. If you wish to label them Heaven and Hell so be it.
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I'm curious to see how many of you people believe... Do you think that your spirit is either going to heaven or hell? remember, the bible says NOTHING about either one.
The BiBle may not mention it but the NUNS certainly drummed it into my brain as a young child and now at the ripe old age of sixty-nine you tell me it's not mentioned in the Bible? They never told us that! Hell!
Heaven is a happy family.
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W. C. Fields spent his life like he did not believe in heaven or hell. But when he was near death his girl friend found him reading the Bible. She asked him why he was reading it since he did not believe in it. He answered "I'm looking for loopholes" :notworthy: :notworthy:
LOL....that's something my husband (RIP) would say. OMG!!!! I guess he does know now....
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I sure do! I Love God and have been a christian most of my life. I am not perfect ...only forgiven and I do believe there is a heaven to gain and hell that is a literal burning fire.
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Yes, we might not have the correct understanding of Heaven and Hell but I think it exists. If not, what would be the point?
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I'm curious to see how many of you people believe... Do you think that your spirit is either going to heaven or hell? remember, the bible says NOTHING about either one.
I believe that your spirit will go to one or other. Heaven or hell, as you wish to be. I hope my place will not be hell. :)
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Heaven and Hell. Both are real. Jesus paid the price for us and accept Him as Lord over our lives and that we won't have to go to hell. Hell was made for the devil and the falling angels, but if we don't accept Jesus as Lord and Savior after what He did for us, then we send ourselves to hell. Sad, but true.
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Hey I believe in a living thing .. of course these might or might no exist... but don't think of these and ruin your life
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Yes I do believe in heaven and hell.
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Heaven and hell are both real places and both are clearly mention throughout the bible. If you look at Matthew 5:22 (New Testament) you will see 1 example of hell, also in Deuteronomy 32:22 (Old Testament). These are only two of the many places hell is mentioned. Heaven is also mention in many, many places such as: Genesis 49:25 (Old Testament) and Matthew 4:17 (New Testament). You can read the bible and see them all or you can get a Concordance and look them up. It will give you approx 300 references to Heaven and 60 references to Hell. The Bible also states that there is only one way to Heaven but many to hell. Life here on earth may seem like hell at time, but believe me, it is not. If you haven't really researched it, I strongly suggest you do. There is no Peace and Joy like that obtained through Jesus.
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Yes i do believe in both
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I'm not sure what bible you have seen but the bible does speak of Heaven and Hell. I most certainly do believe and one day I will be in Heaven with my Lord Jesus Christ.
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Yes I belive in both only want to go to heaven.
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Lake of Fire or NEw Jeruslem
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well i have no idea where my spirit goes but i'm pretty sure there is nothingness when ur gone. maybe ur spirit hangs around someplace but i would have to leave. :wave:
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No, I don't believe in heaven and hell. If there was hell, we were all in it without knowing it. ;-))
Or you can say If there were heaven, we were all in it without knowing it.
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yes i belive in both
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Absolutley! The Bible says a lot about eternity and what happens when we die. But if a person doesnt want to see that then it will not be interpreted that way.
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Yes, I believe in Heaven and Hell.
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heaven i dont like sounds of hell
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I believe that our subconscious will create whichever one we feel we deserve to be sent to upon the time of our death. If we feel we were a good person and did everything we could, we'd go to what we perceive as Heaven. If we think we were a bad person, or are ashamed of who we were, then we'd go to what we perceive to be Hell.
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I beleive in both heaven and hell.
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Yes I believe both in a heaven and a hell. Can't have one without the other.
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After all the HELL I've been through in this lifetime there HAS to be a HEAVEN...
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if there was truly a GOD then why is there so much suffering and wars in this world, you would think he would have everyone as healthy as possible and everyone would be happy and love thy neighbor. so no I do not believe in heaven or hell. I'm in heaven when I am with my wife and in hell when I have to drive during rush hour.
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...If you go to heaven or hell, make sure you send us a post card, dearie!
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now there is a Hell, Michigan
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if there was truly a GOD then why is there so much suffering and wars in this world, you would think he would have everyone as healthy as possible and everyone would be happy and love thy neighbor. so no I do not believe in heaven or hell. I'm in heaven when I am with my wife and in hell when I have to drive during rush hour.
'coz it's a messed up world?
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now there is a Hell, Michigan
I thought it was a haven (at least for some people I know who moved there to start over.)
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Yes, the Bible does say everything about both, to say it doesn't means you are not understanding your scripture The Bible tells us of a new heaven and a new earth, the bible tells us of the firery pit, where the devil and his demons will burn, and all who do not accept Jesus as Savior. The Bible mentions heaven over and over, I type the word constantly in my Bible Studies. Are your reading the Holy Bible. Because I have been studying it for several years and heaven and hell certainly are mentioned, and there are many accounts of people actually going there and coming back, and I have to say the accounts of the people there are so many similarities in what they have seen. Hell is always described as so hot, that it makes you thirst, I heard 3000 degrees, saying it is the center of the earth, would make it about that. Heaven has always been described just like the Bible tells it. Also have you read Revelation, John describes the vision God gave to him of the pearly gates and so forth, these pics in the movies actually came from the accounts in the Bible, not how they are, but they have been based in the Revelation in the Bible. This is what God gives us, so we are warned, so when it is too late, don't say you weren't told, Gods letter to you, is easily accessible here in America.
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i believe in heaven and hell..people have told me its pointless to believe but i prefer too.
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now there is a Hell, Michigan
There isn`t much there either lol
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I sure do , I can't think good person and bad person will be the same after death
if there is no heaven or hill then there would be no justice
it's just like good student and bad student they are not the same after the exam either fail or succeed
I wish I go to heaven ofcourse
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I believe in both heaven and hell.
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I believe there is a Heaven and a Hell. Heaven is being in union with God. Hell is being separated from God. I don't know exactly how to get into Heaven or Hell, but I believe God is merciful enough to give us a chance to get into Heaven. I also believe in purgatory, where souls are wiped clean from the stain of sin and made perfect.
As for the problem of evil necessitating a Hell, I think God likes challenge. Perfection isn't perfection if it is perfectly boring. Challenge is far more interesting. Struggle gives a person meaning. Progress in a certain direction makes one feel like he is doing something with his life. And therefore, why shouldn't God want to test His own brain, His skills, His power?
I speak from the point of view of a gaming Catholic. Easy games are ego boosters, but deep inside I know I can fight bigger, tougher opponents, and I'm not using my brain to my full potential.
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Yes.
How pointless would life be if you just laid there dead? And what would happen to you?
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I have been shown things, so yes, that will make a person believe. I drank heavily for years, but that wasn't in
God's plan. Lots of people dont ever get to see God's plan for their lives because they never ask, they just keep doing what they are doing, expecting a different result, but if we decide to change our minds and our hearts from the inside, we will see the emptiness and lonliness is merely a void that only God will ever be able to replace. You will find it no where else. That is why when we go after something we are always wanting more and more and we never get to that point of satisfaction because it can never be obtained, only God can fill that void that we have created in us for our Father, Other things simply will not work.
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Yes I do believe in a Heaven and Hell. Otherwise, my life would have no meaning, and I wouldn't care about any of my actions. As a Catholic, I have been taught that getting to Heaven requires firm believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and following in His good ways. If you don't follow those ways, and you act cruely and sinfully, then you got a one-way ticket to Hell. I really would hope that Heaven and Hell exist, because I'm gonna be pretty damn pissed if I die and my actions were for straight-up nothing!!!
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if you don't believe in heaven or hell, your wasting your time on this planet or your a criminal
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I don't believe we actually go to a place called heaven or hell. I believe our spirits stay here with everyone else, but our state of mind will either be heaven or hell. Any place can be heaven or hell to us, even while we're alive.
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yes i agree this could be heaven for some people and hell for others but that does not mean there isn't a heaven and hell beyond our understanding
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I'm curious to see how many of you people believe... Do you think that your spirit is either going to heaven or hell? remember, the bible says NOTHING about either one.
well in Luke 12:5 says "But I will warn you whom to fear: fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him!"...... and in Luke 10:20 says "Nevertheless, do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are written in HEAVEN." so heaven and hell are mention more the once in the bible ;)
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I'm curious to see how many of you people believe... Do you think that your spirit is either going to heaven or hell? remember, the bible says NOTHING about either one.
Yes I believe in Heaven and Hell.
Yes I believe a person's spirit goes to heaven.
1 Corinthians 15:50 - "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption."
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I guess it boils down to if you believe what the Bible says about it or not. There have been many Bible verses quoted here that is the Truth about Heaven and Hell. You either believe it or not. There are also those who are trying to decipher and dissect the words to mean something else. Trying to find a loophole so to speak.
Myself? I do believe that there is a Paradise (Heaven) or a place of torment (Hell). Jesus spoke of it and He was God manifested in the flesh, so He ought to know. It's spoken of in varous places in the Bible.
There is no such thing as Purgatory, or a "holding place" for the souls to get "prayed out of" so they can go to Heaven. There is no place (in the Bible) indicating such a place remotely exists.
It's a choice to either believe in the Bible or not. I choose to believe it. I can't choose for anybody else!
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Yes.
How pointless would life be if you just laid there dead? And what would happen to you?
that's exactly the point your buried in a box inside a cement box in the ground and that's it..the end period nothing else. there is no soul unless your talking about music. then yes there is
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Yea, I believe in both.
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Heaven... :angel11:
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Both-Heaven and Hell exist...and it is up to you to decide where to go!
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I believe there is a Heaven and Hell. Jesus said he would go and make a place for us. I just finished reading "Heaven is for Real" and I also saw on a Christian network that a man actually died and went to hell and he came back and he described the place as hot and tortment. Just be Saved in Jesus name and confess your sins and you will go to Heaven. May God bless you and have a good day.
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Well I do believe in Hell! I think I am living in it right now. I think that there is not a haven, but people need to believe that there is something better.
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Yes, I believe in heaven and hell. Why?
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I'm not a religious person by any means (in fact I consider myself an atheist), but I think it would be nice to have some type of place to go to when I die. Too bad no one on earth will ever get to answer this 100%!
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i believe in heaven.i think we all will go there.
i also believe in hell.but i think we have it-HERE!!!on the earth :dontknow:
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Nope don't believe in heaven or hell.
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See I'm going to take a different route - sometimes I can't decide if I believe in God or not - the subject boggles my mind - but every once in a while things happen that make me think he's out there somewhere...
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If you want to know about heaven and hell you need to read Luke 16:19-31. If you do not from your wicked ways and ask the lord to come into your life you will surely burn forever in Hell. But if you ask Jesus into your life and turn from your wicked ways. And ask him to forgive you and confess your sins. When it is your time to be taken from this earth you will live forever with our Lord and Savior in Heaven.
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Yes I believe in Heaven and hell. And no hell isn't this earth now it is to come for the unsaved and non believers of Jesus Christ the son of God. Heaven is for those who have accepted Jesus Christ as our Saviour. I really don't see how people don't believe in God but to each is there own for not wanting to know God. You can only tell them so many times before its tiresome but still I don't quit praying for the lost. Yes the Bible does speak of Heaven and hell alot. Try reading it maybe you will learn something about it. And just because you believe in God doesn't mean you will go to heaven when the world ends.
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I dont mean to be disrespectful to your religion but dont you think thats a little extreme??? I have no religion and no I dont believe in an afterlife!!! The soul is merely a thought process in your mind!!! But no body will ever no cause when you die the brain dies and theirs no afterlife and you yourself wont even know what happens when you die!!! Think about that really hard and you will see how the afterlife is really just a big superstition and I think its really bad to put false hope into people!!!! Sorry but thats just my honest educated opinion!!!! I believe in a creator though and that is stars!!! Stars are responsible for creating all the elements after Hydrogen wich is pretty much everything so when you think of it we are children of the stars!!! you, me, the earth, and the entire universe are all made of elements created from the extreme pressures and tempuratures of the death of stars!!!!! Sorry to be so blunt and again I dont mean to disrespect anyones religion or beliefs!!!! I just am expressing my own beliefs thats all so please dont be offended by anything I say here in the forum on this subject!!!! :peace: :wave: :peace:
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Yes.
How pointless would life be if you just laid there dead? And what would happen to you?
that's exactly the point your buried in a box inside a cement box in the ground and that's it..the end period nothing else. there is no soul unless your talking about music. then yes there is
That was a good one!!!!! but hey were not here for low blows just honest opinions!!! ;D :notworthy: :notworthy: ;D
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if you don't believe in heaven or hell, your wasting your time on this planet or your a criminal
Or just a really well educated person who isnt supersticious!!!!
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if you don't believe in heaven or hell, your wasting your time on this planet or your a criminal
Or just a really well educated person who isnt supersticious!!!!
And doesnt believe in storis of folktales from thousands of years ago!!! I mean yeah jesus was a real person but not the son of a god!!! Just a guy who really wanted attention and to be remembered!!!! Thats all!!! He had a real mother and father just like the rest of us!!! Remember jesus didnt even believe in a god himself until he was older and met john the baptist!! And John the baptist was made out to be crazy from what I have read in the bible!!! H e went around like a wildman eating locusts alone in the forest!!!! And Jesus chose to believe him??????????? I just dont know how the whole story made it this far actually!!!!! Its a real shame if you ask me!!!!!
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But At least its not allowed to be taught in schools though and for the very reason that its not fact its just myth!!! thats why the whole religion is based on faith cause you just gotta take their word for it!!!! What gets me is how the bible says everything was created several thousand years ago In seven days but anyone who has any schooling knows the universe is almost 15 billion years old and to this day is still creating ever amazing wonders!!! That should tell you something to the credibillity of the whole story!!!!!
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If you don't believe in Heaven or hell, I'd sure hate to take a chance and miss Heaven, wouldn't you?!
Yes, if the Bible says there is a Heaven and a hell, then it's true, for the Bible is God's Word, and God is not a man that He can lie. Would you wanna take a chance???
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i believe there is a heaven and hell and i will go to one of them i prefer heaven so i do my best to live the way i should by the bible but no one is perfect
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I do believe in a heaven and hell
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If you don't believe in Heaven or hell, I'd sure hate to take a chance and miss Heaven, wouldn't you?!
Yes, if the Bible says there is a Heaven and a hell, then it's true, for the Bible is God's Word, and God is not a man that He can lie. Would you wanna take a chance???
You do realize that your religion is not the only one in existence, right? With this train of thought, you really should be studying and worshipping the other millions of gods to ensure that you get a nice spot in whichever afterlife is true. I'd say right now that you have thrown quite a narrow gamble on the table!
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Yes I believe in heaven and hell. I believe we are created in the image and likeness of God. When Adam and Eve sinned, it scarred our human nature and separated us from God. God sent his only beloved Son, Jesus, to heal our sin by sacrificing His life for forgiveness of our sin (it is a mystery but was necessary since nothing could heal humanity's sin except God). Jesus also sent the Holy Spirit to us to get make the likeness of God we had lost. Those who live their lives in relationship with God and die following Jesus will go to even (eternal union with God who is the source of all love, truth, goodness, and happiness). If we live our lives and die offending God and/or out of relationship with Jesus we will go to Hell (eternal separation from God, the source of all love, truth, goodness, and happiness).
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my cousins ex girlfriend once said lol that she does not belive in hell because that everyone adapts to there environment so there no such thing as hell lol if i ever see her again ill tell her i wrote what she said in a forum lol
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I believe death is the end. To the person who quoted the Bible, it was handed down by word of mouth and through many different languages. Who knows what the original words were?