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DO YOU BELIEVE THAT ALL WORDS IN THE BIBLE IS TRUE?
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DO YOU BELIEVE THAT ALL WORDS IN THE BIBLE IS TRUE?
No I do not believe that all words in the Bible are true. I believe that some have been put there by man.
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Yes I believe all words in the Bible are true. Man did write the Bible but they are Gods words.
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DO YOU BELIEVE THAT ALL WORDS IN THE BIBLE IS TRUE?
Yes I do believe in the Bible, it is God's word, Man did write it (I.E. Moses wrote Genesis through Deuteronomy. And a lot of the books in the new testament were written by the apostles as well as the epistles) But the bible is still the Word of God, God can use man as a vessel.
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Yes I Know Man Wrote them,but they're GODS Words
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Agreed. All of the bible's words are "God Breathed".
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Of course i dont believe all words in the Bible are true...how could they be??...nobody that wrote the Bible was there during the birth of Christ..the writers could not all have followed Jesus, Job, Moses, John the Baptist..etc...'individually' and wrote down what they did..step by step...(right now you can make a TRUE statement, and tell ONE person..but by the time it gets back to you, its no where near what the original statement was)..so no, i refuse to believe over a period of centuries that wise men kept all the facts separated from fiction)
Not only that, but what about the King James version of the Bible? (old testament vs new?)..I believe that the Bible is true depending on how people wish to interpratate the writings..for instance...the KKK claims to be christian, and say they dont burn the cross..they just 'light it'..(Jesus never hung or castrated anyone by my knowledge,he punished no one for not believing in him, he wanted followers to come to him freely, and without FEAR)
I have problems with those that consider themselves "Christian" also..those are some big shoes to step into..Jesus did not even have a church, but now we have mega churches with unimaginable wealth all in the name of the 'holy one'...we have priest sleeping with children..all while supposedly following "Him'...to be Christian to me means..TO BE CHRIST LIKE...and i can think of NO ONE..able to walk in those shoes...
I tend to think of Religion as pure unadulterated evil, (a bunch of people saying "think like us, or burn in hell"..riiiight)...More hate has been spread at the hands of some Bible thumping hypocrite then people could ever realize....
GOD LOVES ME NO LESS/MORE THEN HE LOVES EVERYBODY ELSE, and i dont need a common sinner in a pulpit or flowing robes to tell me that..yes ima believer...but not to the point that i will follow man like the rest of the sheeple...sheeple scare the hell out of me...
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i do not believe all words to be true as some conterdict themselves... as it says you are not to harm anyone.. but then in another book.. it states an eye for an eye... so you know somethings were added by man. but.... for the most part i do believe the word of the holy book
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I do think they are the words of god, and as far as filling christ shoes, no one is without sin however you are suppose to follow his example, and when you fall, ask for forgivness, and anyone pointing out others faults while while being an active sinner ( which 99.99999999% of us are) is a sin in it's self. I am a Christian and as far as making people feel like crap because they are doing something we no longer do, boggles me. you cant expect people to want to go to god if the christians they see are judgemental and hypocritical. the way I see it is, make everyone feel comfortable and when god is ready to work in their lives her will put it on their heart. guidance buy people of the chuch is good but you cant change someone who isnt ready. I know I am a sinner, and so does god, but he also know I try hard every day not to be.
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i do not believe all words to be true as some conterdict themselves... as it says you are not to harm anyone.. but then in another book.. it states an eye for an eye... so you know somethings were added by man. but.... for the most part i do believe the word of the holy book
I agree with you. There are contradictions in the bible, and that makes it hard to be a true follower. If you follow some rules, you are inherently breaking other rules. This is why different sects exist. Some may focus on "an eye for an eye," while others may focus on the commitment to do no harm.
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i do not believe all words to be true as some conterdict themselves... as it says you are not to harm anyone.. but then in another book.. it states an eye for an eye... so you know somethings were added by man. but.... for the most part i do believe the word of the holy book
I agree with you. There are contradictions in the bible, and that makes it hard to be a true follower. If you follow some rules, you are inherently breaking other rules. This is why different sects exist. Some may focus on "an eye for an eye," while others may focus on the commitment to do no harm.
would anyone like to point out Bible verses that have contradictions please. I've heard many people say the Bible has "contradictions" but no one wants to point out and find them....
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i don't believe in god..
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i don't believe the bible has contradictions, i think in context and oftentimes the original language of origin, any believed contradictions can be explained
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i do not believe all words to be true as some conterdict themselves... as it says you are not to harm anyone.. but then in another book.. it states an eye for an eye... so you know somethings were added by man. but.... for the most part i do believe the word of the holy book
I agree with you. There are contradictions in the bible, and that makes it hard to be a true follower. If you follow some rules, you are inherently breaking other rules. This is why different sects exist. Some may focus on "an eye for an eye," while others may focus on the commitment to do no harm.
would anyone like to point out Bible verses that have contradictions please. I've heard many people say the Bible has "contradictions" but no one wants to point out and find them....
They're not really that hard to find. A five minute look around a Google of "biblical contradictions" will make that pretty evident. A 2000 year old book that was passed down orally for centuries before being written down, translated into dozens of languages/dialects, and edited by the hands of thousands/millions of people with different agendas is going to have contradictions. There are hundreds, probably thousands, in the Bible...fortunately for you and I, there are people who make a career out of analyzing the Bible and making lists of things like the contradictions throughout. Google is your friend for that.
If you don't want to Google it, this might be a starter: http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html#contradictions (http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html#contradictions)
On a random note, I can't figure out why this thread is in this forum section ???
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''I BELIEVE IN GOD " ""Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth"
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PLS. ANYTHING CAN TALK ABOUT! BUT NOT ABOUT IN GOD AND BIBLE JUSTA HAVE FUN :wave: :wave: :wave: CHANGE TOPIC.. :angel11: :angel11: :angel11: :angel11:
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No, I don't believe the Bible is factual.
I do believe there is a God of some sorts, maybe not the Christian God exactly. I believe in unity of all religions, though, and that if there IS a God, then He/She/It/They recognizes the need for cultural identity and diversity and therefore created (or gave man the ability to create) different religions worshiping "different" entities/gods when in reality we are all praising the same thing.
I believe that Jesus was no different than Mohammed or BaHa'ullah, etc... they were all men simply seeking to spread goodness and help mankind become more spiritual.
I follow closely with the beliefs of the BaHa'i Faith, but I am not a member (nor will I ever become a member of any organized religion) ... they believe that all the separate prophets were simply Manifestations of God. If you read the teachings of the BaHa'i Faith, they make tons of sense. It's the most "zen" religion I have come across so far.
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All I'm gonna say is I'm Catholic. ;D
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PLS. ANYTHING CAN TALK ABOUT! BUT NOT ABOUT IN GOD AND BIBLE JUSTA HAVE FUN :wave: :wave: :wave: CHANGE TOPIC.. :angel11: :angel11: :angel11: :angel11:
And why is this?
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No, and I have a couple questions for those of you who are saying that the whole bible is god's word. Do you believe and follow each and every word? If the bible is truly god's word, shouldnt you follow every word instead of picking and choosing the books that match your belief and religion? Just an observation from the outside....
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PLS. ANYTHING CAN TALK ABOUT! BUT NOT ABOUT IN GOD AND BIBLE JUSTA HAVE FUN :wave: :wave: :wave: CHANGE TOPIC.. :angel11: :angel11: :angel11: :angel11:
And why is this?
And why is this??????????? :BangHead: :confused1: :crybaby2: :dontknow:
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PLS. ANYTHING CAN TALK ABOUT! BUT NOT ABOUT IN GOD AND BIBLE JUSTA HAVE FUN :wave: :wave: :wave: CHANGE TOPIC.. :angel11: :angel11: :angel11: :angel11:
And why is this?
And why is this??????????? :BangHead: :confused1: :crybaby2: :dontknow:
Okay? Why can't I talk about your religion? Are you really that self-centered and have your religion on that high of a pedestal?
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I do believe that the Bible was written bu Holy men guided by God. All of it is true. The meaning is still the same as it was long ago. The Bible is not what we call " politically correct". Thank God!
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It's pointless and meaningless to say you believe in every word in the Bible if you don't have the correct meaning.
I believe all of the meaning intended by the authors who were guided by the Holy Spirit.
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For those of you who believe every word of the Bible;
1.Fill a drinking glass with bleach.
2.Read Mark chapter 16 verse 18.
3.CALL AN AMBULANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!,
4.Do the second thing the verse says you can do without being harmed.
GOOD LUCK!
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nope. im not a religious person at all. i believe that man wrote the bible cause HE was a religious man and thought that people needed an incentive to do good and not evil
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I believe religion is just a crutch in life, like an entertaining story. And those who take it seriously just have clouded minds.
Also, while on the subject, can anyone explain why the bible is not considered a myth by many? I mean, it's just as believable as Zeus and Pandora.
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Would you give money to a man telling stories about mythology? The only difference is that some people actually believe the christianity scam which allows some other people to get rich off it.
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i do not believe all words to be true as some conterdict themselves... as it says you are not to harm anyone.. but then in another book.. it states an eye for an eye... so you know somethings were added by man. but.... for the most part i do believe the word of the holy book
Remember that, initially, the Jews were God's chosen people. He found them to be unappreciative, stubborn and often uncompromising towards HIS ways. He established a "Rule of conduct" for them to follow, which included strict rules (as you say). When they continually failed, he opened up his word to the Gentile nations, and sacrificed his son to absolve the sins of mankind. Even though we were given this new "beginning" and freedom, we continue to err in God's ways. But it is our choice, we cannot serve two masters. We either serve God, or we serve the ruler of this world--Satan" It is evident by mans actions today, who the majority have chosen to serve. We have unprecedented increases (at least by mankinds statistics), of homicides, fraud, love of money, etc., etc. The Bible foretold that in the last days, men will be lovers of money, rather than of God, nation will rise against nation, unprecedented disasters will occur on a global scale. It's here! The Bible has accurately prophecied the "Last days of man". "He has come to you with great anger, knowing that he has a short time." Satan is the ruler of this earths domain, and his influences are STRONG....read the newspapers, watch the world news, talk to your neighbours, noone is immune...We are living testimonials to God's accurate prophecies, the last (I believe), generation to witness all these events simultaneously.
I agree with you. There are contradictions in the bible, and that makes it hard to be a true follower. If you follow some rules, you are inherently breaking other rules. This is why different sects exist. Some may focus on "an eye for an eye," while others may focus on the commitment to do no harm.
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I mean most ov it iz legit but i think that sum thingz were left out, ya kno.
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Of course i dont believe all words in the Bible are true...how could they be??...nobody that wrote the Bible was there during the birth of Christ..the writers could not all have followed Jesus, Job, Moses, John the Baptist..etc...'individually' and wrote down what they did..step by step...
If we applied this criteria to other ancient literature then virtually no manuscripts of Plato, Homer's Iliad, or works of Copernicus or Aristotle, Socrates or Julius Ceaser, would pass.
(right now you can make a TRUE statement, and tell ONE person..but by the time it gets back to you, its no where near what the original statement was)..so no, i refuse to believe over a period of centuries that wise men kept all the facts separated from fiction)
If you're taking about MSS, then accurate biblical translations pretty much clarifies this misconception.
Not only that, but what about the King James version of the Bible?
Despite the KJV's influence on modern translations, it isn't the basis of them.
(old testament vs new?)..
The discovery of the DSS verified the OT reliability and THOUSANDS of NT MSS are in the original Greek dating before 500 A.D.
I tend to think of Religion as pure unadulterated evil, (a bunch of people saying "think like us, or burn in hell"..riiiight)...More hate has been spread at the hands of some Bible thumping hypocrite then people could ever realize....
"Religion" used to be synonymous with "Christianity." The current meaning of the word 'religion' however was used (i.e. Harris) to label atheist regimes "religions" and this definition was mainly needed to advance the argument that "religion" is the great cause of war and evil in the world in order to get around the fact that the most violent century in world history was also the most secular, (apparently allowing the secular state to gain all its power.)
Now, the term is usually understood to mean a type of ideology concerning gods.
You can of course broaden the definition of religion to include any ideology.
But there's an odd connection between how you think this way and other religions that may not fit your mold of what it is, say for instance Buddhism.
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i do not believe all words to be true as some conterdict themselves... as it says you are not to harm anyone.. but then in another book.. it states an eye for an eye... so you know somethings were added by man. but.... for the most part i do believe the word of the holy book
i do not believe all words to be true as some conterdict themselves... as it says you are not to harm anyone.. but then in another book.. it states an eye for an eye... so you know somethings were added by man. but.... for the most part i do believe the word of the holy book
I agree with you. There are contradictions in the bible, and that makes it hard to be a true follower. If you follow some rules, you are inherently breaking other rules. This is why different sects exist. Some may focus on "an eye for an eye," while others may focus on the commitment to do no harm.
An eye for an eye was a Mosaic law, a way for civil government to limit punishment. It was so that the typical practices of say, life for an eye, would not be taken.
It actually was put in place for justice to be meeted out in court cases. It had little to nothing to do with 'not harming anyone.'
FYI, Matthew 5
An Eye for an Eye
38"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' 39 But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41 If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you."
We are to not only forgive those who do us wrong, but we are to be examples of God's grace to them.
Even when we forgive someone, that does not save them from the legal or necessary consequences of their actions. If I forgive a murderer, he may still get the death penalty.
From this we conclude that skeptics are just trying to see contradictions when there really isn't a problem at all, so the only reason to charge contradiction is if one has come trying to find contradiction; otherwise the issue doesn't even occur to us and we move on with our lives. Clearly, though, since Matthew relied on Moses, Matthew didn't particularly care to write in such a way that 21st century atheists would not have opportunity to search for contradictions in the text, and I don't see why 21st Christians should care any more than Matthew did.
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i do not believe all words to be true as some conterdict themselves... as it says you are not to harm anyone.. but then in another book.. it states an eye for an eye... so you know somethings were added by man. but.... for the most part i do believe the word of the holy book
I agree with you. There are contradictions in the bible, and that makes it hard to be a true follower. If you follow some rules, you are inherently breaking other rules. This is why different sects exist. Some may focus on "an eye for an eye," while others may focus on the commitment to do no harm.
would anyone like to point out Bible verses that have contradictions please. I've heard many people say the Bible has "contradictions" but no one wants to point out and find them....
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/
The internet is FULL of people who misinterpret the Bible and make websites (and write books too!) based on their misinterpretations. This is not surprising, obviously.
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i do not believe all words to be true as some conterdict themselves... as it says you are not to harm anyone.. but then in another book.. it states an eye for an eye... so you know somethings were added by man. but.... for the most part i do believe the word of the holy book
I agree with you. There are contradictions in the bible, and that makes it hard to be a true follower. If you follow some rules, you are inherently breaking other rules. This is why different sects exist. Some may focus on "an eye for an eye," while others may focus on the commitment to do no harm.
would anyone like to point out Bible verses that have contradictions please. I've heard many people say the Bible has "contradictions" but no one wants to point out and find them....
They're not really that hard to find. A five minute look around a Google of "biblical contradictions" will make that pretty evident. A 2000 year old book that was passed down orally for centuries before being written down, translated into dozens of languages/dialects, and edited by the hands of thousands/millions of people with different agendas is going to have contradictions. There are hundreds, probably thousands, in the Bible...fortunately for you and I, there are people who make a career out of analyzing the Bible and making lists of things like the contradictions throughout. Google is your friend for that.
Or maybe I think the biggest hermeneutical errors stem from people trying to read the Bible as if it was written yesterday for them personally, in English.
i do not believe all words to be true as some conterdict themselves... as it says you are not to harm anyone.. but then in another book.. it states an eye for an eye... so you know somethings were added by man. but.... for the most part i do believe the word of the holy book
I agree with you. There are contradictions in the bible, and that makes it hard to be a true follower. If you follow some rules, you are inherently breaking other rules. This is why different sects exist. Some may focus on "an eye for an eye," while others may focus on the commitment to do no harm.
would anyone like to point out Bible verses that have contradictions please. I've heard many people say the Bible has "contradictions" but no one wants to point out and find them....
If you don't want to Google it, this might be a starter: http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html#contradictions (http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html#contradictions)
Infidels is like any other polemical website -- basically not worth your time.
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Do I believe the words of the bible are true? Do I believe the words of a politician? That would be a big no for both. Man has a tendency to stretch the truth and twisting things for his benefit. That is why I don't partake in "Religion". Some of the things that these secs come up with is just outrageous.
nope. im not a religious person at all. i believe that man wrote the bible cause HE was a religious man and thought that people needed an incentive to do good and not evil
This is exactly the difference between us! In your world, it is God OR man. In your world, if texts are the product of actual humans in actual history who have actual cultures and desires and contexts and so on then they cannot also be God's texts.
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For those of you who believe every word of the Bible;
1.Fill a drinking glass with bleach.
2.Read Mark chapter 16 verse 18.
3.CALL AN AMBULANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!,
4.Do the second thing the verse says you can do without being harmed.
GOOD LUCK!
All your readings of the Bible are very "flat" (scare quotes to remove the pejorative connotation) in my view because you live in a "flat" world -- a world defined by dichotomies which turn poetic modes of truth into "cultic imagery."
Would you give money to a man telling stories about mythology? The only difference is that some people actually believe the christianity scam which allows some other people to get rich off it.
The people who you are referring to, say for typical instance, televangelists, aren't really representative of any kind of serious Christianity, since most of them appear to be frauds.
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I believe religion is just a crutch in life, like an entertaining story. And those who take it seriously just have clouded minds.
Where you see "religious bible-thumpers" (quotes not to insinuate a pejorative tone) taking the bible too seriously, I see political "fundamentalists" taking things too literally, thereby "stagnating" Christianity into a "myth."
Also, while on the subject, can anyone explain why the bible is not considered a myth by many? I mean, it's just as believable as Zeus and Pandora.
Why would anyone care to explain to you something you obviously don't care about? :)
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some were edited and written by mankind later
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Its mans interpretation of what God told them. If it all was true, then in revelation when the locust with armor crowns and tails came, they would literally be that. Or the woman and the beast. It all how men interpreted Gods Words. We cannot think we are so much alike him to understand what he's told us fully. Thats why God had to have Jesus tell us everything in parables, or else we wouldnt get it. Haha and we still hardly ever do. I just wish people would follow basically what the bible says, instead of preaching words they dont follow. We should be like the Good Sameritan right?
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I don't believe EVERY word in the bible, its been translated so many times in so many languages over the years, alot meaning may have been lost in translation.
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"I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy." (JER 13:14) "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling."
"The Lord is very pitiful and of tender mercy." (JAS 5:11)
"For his mercy endureth forever." (1CH 16:34)
"The Lord is good to all, and his tender mercies are over all his works." (PSA 145:9)
"God is love." (1JO 4:16)
so does god accept all or utterly destroy some?
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DO YOU BELIEVE THAT ALL WORDS IN THE BIBLE IS TRUE?
No
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I always have a nice chuckle when someone's claim against the contradictions is that people are misinterpreting it. As if there is some rigorous method that theologians use to get the true interpretation of scripture - laughable nonsense. Why is my interpretation wrong, and yours is infallible? Why is the interpretation of countless Biblical scholars who spend their whole career examining every facet of the Bible incorrect, yet yours remains correct?
Would you give money to a man telling stories about mythology? The only difference is that some people actually believe the christianity scam which allows some other people to get rich off it.
The people who you are referring to, say for typical instance, televangelists, aren't really representative of any kind of serious Christianity, since most of them appear to be frauds.
What is "serious Christianity?" Why is your version of Christianity any more respectable or "correct" than, say, the televangelist's? What is a Christian? What makes a self-proclaimed Christian actually not a Christian at all? And who in the world is making the criteria that distinguish "real Christianity" from "fake Christianity?"
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I always have a nice chuckle when someone's claim against the contradictions is that people are misinterpreting it. As if there is some rigorous method that theologians use to get the true interpretation of scripture - laughable nonsense. Why is my interpretation wrong, and yours is infallible? Why is the interpretation of countless Biblical scholars who spend their whole career examining every facet of the Bible incorrect, yet yours remains correct?
You'd only have a case if Biblical scholars held the same assumption as the skeptics and their adversaries do.
So I'd say that on one level you're attacking the right thing but you haven't gotten around the central tenet of conflicting paradigms and the groundwork of an interpretors' integrity behind their assumptions and worldviews.
Would you give money to a man telling stories about mythology? The only difference is that some people actually believe the christianity scam which allows some other people to get rich off it.
The people who you are referring to, say for typical instance, televangelists, aren't really representative of any kind of serious Christianity, since most of them appear to be frauds.
What is "serious Christianity?" Why is your version of Christianity any more respectable or "correct" than, say, the televangelist's? What is a Christian? What makes a self-proclaimed Christian actually not a Christian at all? And who in the world is making the criteria that distinguish "real Christianity" from "fake Christianity?"
I was merely pointing out the politics people use, (i.e., fundamentalism, reality TV, political debate shows) and extreme approaches to religion (i.e., Barth, Dominionists, evangelicals, Dawkins, "Prophecy Experts," 700 Club or Josh McDowell)
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yea
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I know... 8)