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I still can not believe some people have the nerve to go out and eat and not tip !!! did u know most waitresses dont make min wages? Did u know that when u dont leave a tip most places still TAX them on what u SHOULD of tipped !!!
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lol....what if we don't have the money to tip them.....only to pay for our food? :icon_rr:
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then u should stay home and not make the waitress who works for 4 dollars a hour take a cut in her income because of u.... invest in a box of hamburger helper
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then u should stay home and not make the waitress who works for 4 dollars a hour take a cut in her income because of u.... invest in a box of hamburger helper
there are thousands of varieties of hamburger helper and they all taste the same but i do like HH
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no no no no no....i'm hungry coming from work or whereever and i pick up my girlfriend on my home home and the both of us is tired and hungry feel for something nice but neither of us wants to cook.......all the money we both have on us is only enough to purchase our food!!! What you saying to me i shouldn't stop and buy my food due to the fact i can't tip the waitress???
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oh mercy !!
so u are taking money from that poor waitress do u not get it ( no i am not a waitress just a honest person )SHE is being charged taxes for money SHE didnt get U know the tip that U should leave her for not spitting in your food ... SHE MAY get 4 dollars a hour... So what u are hungry i am sure her family is too.... WOW how selfish and self centered people can be...... :BangHead:
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Sometimes I tip sometimes I don't. If the waitress can't make ends meet on tips they need to get another job. A tip should not be mandatory just because you do your job it is for service that goes above and beyond and most people don't do anything above and beyond that justifies any tip IMHO. Filling my water glass and asking me how my food is once is not going above and beyond it's simply the job they are paid to do.
How far does tipping have to go? Are we supposed to tip doctors, policemen, the cable guy, cashiers? Where is the line drawn?
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oh mercy !!
so u are taking money from that poor waitress do u not get it ( no i am not a waitress just a honest person )SHE is being charged taxes for money SHE didnt get U know the tip that U should leave her for not spitting in your food ... SHE MAY get 4 dollars a hour... So what u are hungry i am sure her family is too.... WOW how selfish and self centered people can be...... :BangHead:
WTF then if you know that only when you get tip you will have a good paycheck at the end of the week then why stay with that job. (not saying i have done this before i always tip the waitress). me purchasing something at a resturant i think that is a whole lot support...... :BangHead:
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Sometimes I tip sometimes I don't. If the waitress can't make ends meet on tips they need to get another job.
exactly my point
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Yes, all should tip, this is hard for me to stomach also, I thought all people did this, don't they know peoples wages are their tips.
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I always leave a tip, but I think that it is terrible the businesses are allowed to pay below minimum wage expecting the public to pay their wages.
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I tip even if it makes it harder for me to make ends meet. I am a working mom of 2 boys and from time to time I can take them out to eat and we always leave a tip even if its only a dollar. Something is better than nothing for doing there job. Come on people. :wave:
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If they are doing their job. The purpose of the hospitality industry, and just about every other industry for that matter, is to exceed the expectations of the customer. So many people are just interested in squeezing through with the minimum needed to meet expectations. This usually leads to not meeting those expectations at all. Now, there are quite a few servers out there who do very well at their job, and they shouldn't be subject to people who don't want to tip, but there are also those out there who don't do what is necessary to earn that tip. My standard has always been: current gratuity %, adjusted up for very good service, or adjusted down for very poor service.
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I always leve something.
Good service gets a good tip.
Average service gets an average tip.
Bad service gets a low tip.
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I over tip if the service was good. I usually do 10% for lousy service.
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We always tip. Average service gets around 15%. Great service gets 20%.
But, let's also be a little fair here. Waiters/waitresses may make below minimum wage, but let's not make them out to be making no money. Let's say they work at a casual dining restaurant. They make $4.00 an hour and have the responsibility of four tables. During an hour, all four tables are filled. Some are filled twice, so he/she has 6 tables. If each table averaged a $30.00 bill, let's say, and each table only tipped 10%... that's $18.00 in tips. So, now you're at $22.00/hr. Even if you have to take some out, say $8.00, to give to the bus boys/girls, I think that's a damn good hourly wage. People with college degrees sometimes don't make $16.00 an hour. My sister-in-law was a waitress and my wife's friend currently is one. They both do extremely well.
Yes, you will get people who won't come in and tip. But, when you look at the overall picture, waitstaff can make very nice change for what they do.
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:thumbsup: I HAVE WORKED AS A WAITRESS, AND i KNOW THAT THEY GET TAXED FOR THEIR TIPS, EVEN IF THEY DON'T GET TIPPED!!!!! Please tip them, because if you don't, they LOOSE money!!!!!
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even if its just change you should leave something
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I went to IHOP with family this morning in fact, the bill was $37.12, i broke a $50.00 bill and that left $12.88......I left it ($12.88) as a tip because she was exceptional and i realize that they rely on the income to live on. :wave:
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I tip mainly based on the service. Of course I tip anyway even if the waiter/waitress is a rude person who do not bother to listen to my order or just disappear when I need the service. I give extra tip if the service is good.
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I always tip...the amount I leave depends on the service. Some place the service is not good!
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even if its just change you should leave something
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That's all well and good and if I leave a $1 because that's all I can afford they should not be complaining that it's only a dollar they should be thankful for getting anything and not complain about the amount. Times are tough and everybody is hurting.
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Quite frankly I don't think that people should take jobs that rely on tips. If people started refusing to take poorly paid :bs: like that then restaurants would be forced to pay NORMAL wages. My daughter works at the Hard Rock as a hostess and makes decent money + tips. That is how it SHOULD be. Not to mention in my opinion a tip should be EARNED if I don't feel I got great service you are not getting a tip...
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i always tip them but what i'm saying what if i'm hungry and only have money to buy my food only, no change for me to tip the waitress- i shouldnt buy at the resturant then? :bootyshake:
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Not to mention in my opinion a tip should be EARNED if I don't feel I got great service you are not getting a tip...
Thank you. I do not understand why these people say they tip even for bad service. That is rewarding bad behavior just because it's expected.
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It's just the "dumbing down" of society...
It sort of like grades at school... In the past, a C was considered average work, a B was above average, and an A meant exceptional work. You could see a bell curve form around that criteria where most of the students were getting C's, some getting B's, and only a few getting A's. But as more students were wanting to get into colleges ("because you need to go to college to get a good job, and I deserve to get a good job just because I exist, therefore I deserve to go to college" :bs: ) B's and A's became more of the norm. Fewer people are getting C's and it is a true rarity for a person to get an F.
It should be that a tip is given for good service as a bonus, not a standard. However, society has been skewed to the point where 1) waitstaff are getting taxed on their "expected" tips regardless of whether they receive them, 2) the minimum wage for waitstaff is less than it is for other jobs, and 3) it has become expected to tip regardless of how good the service was.
To put another way, a manufacturing company, say ABC Tires, gives bonuses to employees that produce more than their quota. We as a society shouldn't start "dumbing down" expectations just "to be fair" to the tire worker that doesn't produce as many tires. We shouldn't be expected to pay a bonus for someone making just enough tires to meet quota, or even, heaven forbid, if they don't meet quota at all. Moreover, the government shouldn't look at the bonuses that tire manufacturers give to their employees and say "since they're making bonus money, their minimum wage could be lessened to account for added bonuses" and tax a certain level of their "expected" bonuses.
I think once government started making rules about waitstaff, it became normalize in society and all bets were off. It is now expected by the government to tip them... If the government didn't make any special cases in the minimum wages for waitstaff and tax based on expected tips, then I'd feel better about not tipping for average or below average service. True, the food prices would be higher to accommodate the higher wages, but I'd rather have that than the system we've currently got.
But since we are living with these goofy rules, I tend to tip 10% for the bare minimum amount of service, usually 15% if they've come by after serving the food to check on how the meal was, and more if the service was truly exceptional. I have also not tipped if the waiter was rude, goofed up my order, etc. Some cases I've tipped a manager if, say the meat was cooked properly and they give me the meal for free (or discounted something else). I also tipped a busboy once because I saw how after clearing the table, when putting down new settings he'd make napkin origami (but the other sections didn't have anything special like that).
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nonononono The waitress should get a better paying job. I only tip if i am given the oppurtunity for a second glass of pop. You would not believe how many times this has not happened all it takes is a simple sentence.. I dont tip if the waitress has removed my plate and then offers a second drink. Its to late then. I was a waitress for many years and there are simple curtesys that you offer customers that are getting lost as the years go by. no one values their job any more but thats another discussion
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I still can not believe some people have the nerve to go out and eat and not tip !!! did u know most waitresses dont make min wages? Did u know that when u dont leave a tip most places still TAX them on what u SHOULD of tipped !!!
Willow - I work in accounting at a large restaurant and we DONT tax the employees on what your should be tipped on, but rather the actual tip from each pay period. You should contact your payroll department and ask them to show you the law as to why they are taxing you on what you should be tipped. This is against the law (at least in my state)...
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It's just the "dumbing down" of society...
It sort of like grades at school... In the past, a C was considered average work, a B was above average, and an A meant exceptional work. You could see a bell curve form around that criteria where most of the students were getting C's, some getting B's, and only a few getting A's. But as more students were wanting to get into colleges ("because you need to go to college to get a good job, and I deserve to get a good job just because I exist, therefore I deserve to go to college" :bs: ) B's and A's became more of the norm. Fewer people are getting C's and it is a true rarity for a person to get an F.
It should be that a tip is given for good service as a bonus, not a standard. However, society has been skewed to the point where 1) waitstaff are getting taxed on their "expected" tips regardless of whether they receive them, 2) the minimum wage for waitstaff is less than it is for other jobs, and 3) it has become expected to tip regardless of how good the service was.
To put another way, a manufacturing company, say ABC Tires, gives bonuses to employees that produce more than their quota. We as a society shouldn't start "dumbing down" expectations just "to be fair" to the tire worker that doesn't produce as many tires. We shouldn't be expected to pay a bonus for someone making just enough tires to meet quota, or even, heaven forbid, if they don't meet quota at all. Moreover, the government shouldn't look at the bonuses that tire manufacturers give to their employees and say "since they're making bonus money, their minimum wage could be lessened to account for added bonuses" and tax a certain level of their "expected" bonuses.
I think once government started making rules about waitstaff, it became normalize in society and all bets were off. It is now expected by the government to tip them... If the government didn't make any special cases in the minimum wages for waitstaff and tax based on expected tips, then I'd feel better about not tipping for average or below average service. True, the food prices would be higher to accommodate the higher wages, but I'd rather have that than the system we've currently got.
But since we are living with these goofy rules, I tend to tip 10% for the bare minimum amount of service, usually 15% if they've come by after serving the food to check on how the meal was, and more if the service was truly exceptional. I have also not tipped if the waiter was rude, goofed up my order, etc. Some cases I've tipped a manager if, say the meat was cooked properly and they give me the meal for free (or discounted something else). I also tipped a busboy once because I saw how after clearing the table, when putting down new settings he'd make napkin origami (but the other sections didn't have anything special like that).
They should have a clapping smiley. :notworthy:
People have such an unbelievable entitlement mentality these days it's unreal. Not only is it dumbing down of society but pure greed has been the downfall of this country.
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I still can not believe some people have the nerve to go out and eat and not tip !!! did u know most waitresses dont make min wages? Did u know that when u dont leave a tip most places still TAX them on what u SHOULD of tipped !!!
Willow - I work in accounting at a large restaurant and we DONT tax the employees on what your should be tipped on, but rather the actual tip from each pay period. You should contact your payroll department and ask them to show you the law as to why they are taxing you on what you should be tipped. This is against the law (at least in my state)...
If this is the case then people really do need to be educated because I have witnessed a few online discussions where they think this is the case.
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I just remembered a scenario a few months ago. I had gone out to lunch for sushi with some coworkers. They had been to the place a day before and was saying how good it was and they also commented on how totally rude and mean the waitress was. They thought it was kind of funny but still. So the next day we went and true enough the food was good but the waitress was a complete rude #$$%^. And her rude behavior was totally uncalled for.
Ask me if I left a tip? My coworkers left a tip but I didn't and when she saw I did not leave a tip she pointed at me and gave me a mean look. My coworkers didn't know I didn't leave a tip because we all paid with credit cards (we tend to do this to keep track of work expenses) and asked me why she was pointing at me I just shrugged and said I don't know. I know they tipped her because one left cash and the other talked about how much to tip.
I refused to tip because of her absolute meanness. I haven't been back since because when I go to that town it's either late or I leave too early to get the lunch special but the food is good and I have recommended it to my other coworkers but I also warn them about the waitress who may also be an owner or maybe a relative since it seems like a family owned place. Another coworker went there and he also commented on how mean she was so it's not like she was having a bad day she seems to be like that all the time and I am sure people still tip her for being mean because that's what's expected.
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I work in the restaurant business in the kitchen but my husband is a bartender. Heres the thing if you go to a fine dining restaurant the wait staff might get paid $5 an hour plus tips, but if you go to casual dining(applebees, o'charleys, outback,etc) the wait staff only gets paid $2.13 an hour plus what ever tips they make. And yes if they can't make their living from the tips they make maybe they are not good at their job and they need to find a new one, but how can they ever know if their are those of you who do not tip because you think you shouldn't have to or because that is all the money you have. If you are gonna go out then you need to add that into what you are planning on spending. I also agree that it depends on the service, I always start at 18% as soon as i walk through the door and it will either go up or down after that depending on the service i get. But i don't ever go below 10%. And to let you know giving a small percentage when you get horrible service is more of a slap in the face for them than nothing at all, because when you leave nothing you are just looked at as cheap. and if you want to go out and you only have money for the food then go get fast food or pick up a pizza.
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I work in the restaurant business in the kitchen but my husband is a bartender. Heres the thing if you go to a fine dining restaurant the wait staff might get paid $5 an hour plus tips, but if you go to casual dining(applebees, o'charleys, outback,etc) the wait staff only gets paid $2.13 an hour plus what ever tips they make. And yes if they can't make their living from the tips they make maybe they are not good at their job and they need to find a new one, but how can they ever know if their are those of you who do not tip because you think you shouldn't have to or because that is all the money you have. If you are gonna go out then you need to add that into what you are planning on spending. I also agree that it depends on the service, I always start at 18% as soon as i walk through the door and it will either go up or down after that depending on the service i get. But i don't ever go below 10%. And to let you know giving a small percentage when you get horrible service is more of a slap in the face for them than nothing at all, because when you leave nothing you are just looked at as cheap. and if you want to go out and you only have money for the food then go get fast food or pick up a pizza.
I disagree completely. Restaurants need to own up to the responsibility of paying wages PERIOD! Tipping should ALWAYS be optional and based on performance!
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If you want to go to a RESTAURT you need to check your wallet (considering tipping), if you have enough money go ahead and go in ;D , if you don't have enough money, just drive by a FAST FOOD restaurant and buy you a dollar burger ! :sad1:
Until something is REALLY DONE , Yes I agree with this message.
I disagree completely. Restaurants need to own up to the responsibility of paying wages PERIOD! Tipping should ALWAYS be optional and based on performance!
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Well the minimum wage for servers where I live is $2.13 an hour, I was raised to ALWAYS tip usually I tip around $10, if they did a good job a little more,and if it was buffet or they weren't too attentive I'll leave a $5. Although there are some servers out there that just expect you to come and give them money, there are lots of servers that bust there as* for a $1 or so tip to support their families, but there are people that KNOW to tip so a waiter can usually make a decent amount of money. I also believe in karma, if you don't want to tip the server get your food TO GO!