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Discussion Boards => Off-Topic => Debate & Discuss => Topic started by: marieelissa on August 18, 2010, 09:19:54 pm
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:( Maybe we are born and live in Hell and God forgives us ;) and send us to Heavens.
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Very well said, marieelissa!!
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What an awesome answer to that question. You explained it very well and very completely. Praise be to God!
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God doesn't send anyone to Hell. You send yourself there.
Oh really? Dying and having my "soul" automatically displaced to someplace horrible against my will sure doesn't sound like I'm the one in control. I would send myself cruising around the galaxy when I die, thanks. What's that? God says that's not an option? Then it obviously isn't me sending myself to hell, NOW IS IT!!!
God has done everything He possibly can to keep you out of Hell and still leave you as a person with free will and not just a robot.
:bs: This is such a cop-out excuse. How can you people not see that it is BLACKMAIL when the choice is worship me or BURN? And god gives sh*tty f**king evidence for his existence.
Does God allow disease in the world? Does God allow jails and prisons for some people? Does God allow the electric chair sometimes? Does God allow sin to break homes and hearts? Does God allow war?
Yes because these are the same results we'd see IF GOD DOESN'T EXIST. Chew on that for awhile rather than distracting from the issue.
We have our catalog of sins. We have rape and incest and murder ; and we have them all cataloged and classified--but there isn't one of them (or even put them all together in one big hunk) that comes close to the sin of keeping Jesus Christ out of your life.
Really?! Think about that, folks. You can steal, rape, murder, and wreak havoc to your heart's content, but if you simply cannot find good evidence to believe in a god, THAT'S when you're a bad person!! How completely insulting to the human race. Your god is such a petty, childish god!
Fire burns. Gravity kills. Water drowns. And you can say, "God is love, God is love, God is love," until you're blue in the face. But water will still drown you, fire will burn you, and gravity will kill you, and sin will damn you no matter how much you say about a loving God.
Um, this is a crap analogy. Laws of the universe are completely different from rules that an omnipotent god makes up. Laws of the universe don't care about you, they just are. God supposedly cares about us, therefore, IT IS COMPLETELY IN HIS POWER TO NOT HAVE A HELL IN THE FIRST PLACE!!
Without a conviction of ultimate justice, people's sense of moral obligation dissolves, and social bonds are broke.
:bs: So why are the most atheistic countries in the world also the most peaceful and happy?? This is FACT. Look it up.
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everybody is responsible for his own doing..then why to blame god
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Quote from: marieelissa on August 19, 2010, 12:19:54 am
God doesn't send anyone to Hell. You send yourself there.
Oh really? Dying and having my "soul" automatically displaced to someplace horrible against my will sure doesn't sound like I'm the one in control. I would send myself cruising around the galaxy when I die, thanks. What's that? God says that's not an option? Then it obviously isn't me sending myself to hell, NOW IS IT!!!
queen, If that's NOT a huge trumped you with your own words, I don't know what is. :thumbsup:
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queen, If that's NOT a huge trumped you with your own words, I don't know what is. :thumbsup:
Heh, thanks! Yeah, whenever someone tries to make the claim that people send themselves to the imaginary hell place, I'm always like, "What?! Seriously??"
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:angry7: GGGRRRRRRR: I don't know about some of you, but it gets my goat when people curse about God. I know it is their choice, but I certainly don't curse their religious/non-religious choice. There's no need for that kind of talk in a "debating" forum where people are expressing their opinions freely (w/o the cursing.)
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There's no need for that kind of talk in a "debating" forum where people are expressing their opinions freely (w/o the cursing.)
Censorship of words -- another stupid thing man invented.
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it's not about censorship, it's about being respectful and having the ability to debate without the use of low class language.
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She is low class :-X
And you're on welfare, which is lower than low class. ;)
Wow, did I wander into the Junior High forum?? lol
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it's not about censorship, it's about being respectful and having the ability to debate without the use of low class language.
Thank you, sherna, you summed it up perfectly.
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God doesn't send anyone to Hell. You send yourself there.
Oh really? Dying and having my "soul" automatically displaced to someplace horrible against my will sure doesn't sound like I'm the one in control. I would send myself cruising around the galaxy when I die, thanks. What's that? God says that's not an option? Then it obviously isn't me sending myself to hell, NOW IS IT!!!
OMG...I just re-read this, and it reminded me of Eddie Izzard...
"Cake...or Death! Uh, cake, please..." Caution...there may be offensive language... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAOLOGGftTY
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it's not about censorship, it's about being respectful and having the ability to debate without the use of low class language.
Eloquently put!
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Censorship of words -- another stupid thing man invented.
What are you a butch bitc*?
Not eloquently put!
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She is low class :-X
And you're on welfare, which is lower than low class. ;)
How would you know that? That's pretty significant information. Also, it's a rude shot at someone if they are on Welfare.
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How would you know that? That's pretty significant information. Also, it's a rude shot at someone if they are on Welfare.
Because she has said on this forum that she gets to stay home and the government pays for her. She's bragged about her mooching, so it is not rude for me to have said what I did. Also, my wording was meant as a joke compared to hers, which came out of nowhere.
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How would you know that? That's pretty significant information. Also, it's a rude shot at someone if they are on Welfare.
Because she has said on this forum that she gets to stay home and the government pays for her. She's bragged about her mooching, so it is not rude for me to have said what I did. Also, my wording was meant as a joke compared to hers, which came out of nowhere.
Noted........but welfare is not LOWER than low class. Do we tell a mother who was abused by her husband, and her only recourse is to take her children and leave, go on welfare until she can get a job, lower than low class?
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How would you know that? That's pretty significant information. Also, it's a rude shot at someone if they are on Welfare.
Because she has said on this forum that she gets to stay home and the government pays for her. She's bragged about her mooching, so it is not rude for me to have said what I did. Also, my wording was meant as a joke compared to hers, which came out of nowhere.
I get Social Security Disablity...big difference. Well I used to, now I get Social Security...the same as old people would get when they go on social security...money based on what they made when working.
You cannot possibly receive Social Security "like old people get". You are too old to be under a parent's death benefit, you are too old to receive it even for being a student under a parents' benefits, and certainly have no long track record of being employed. So you are either receiving it on disability or receiving SSI which is simply disability PLUS more $$ because you don't work and don't own anything. I help patients who are disabled by life threatening/changing conditions file for disability all the time. I document their health and treatment history and therefore their medical proof of need.
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Noted........but welfare is not LOWER than low class. Do we tell a mother who was abused by her husband, and her only recourse is to take her children and leave, go on welfare until she can get a job, lower than low class?
I agree with your example above, BUT you can hardly compare marieelissa with someone in that situation.
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Noted........but welfare is not LOWER than low class. Do we tell a mother who was abused by her husband, and her only recourse is to take her children and leave, go on welfare until she can get a job, lower than low class?
I agree with your example above, BUT you can hardly compare marieelissa with someone in that situation.
Nor would I......as everybody's situation is unique. Marieelissa made the statement she's was on SSI/Disability, which has now been changed to just SSI (which happens after Approx. 10 years, after SSI/Disability's first diagnosis). During those 10 years, she is re-evaluated every 3 years (intensively, I might add), to see if she's still "Disabled". Then, and only then, it becomes permanent. The Government decides this. It's a long, difficult process to obtain SSI under the "Disability" heading, as it has so many variables. I'm speaking from a Specialists point of view as having worked in the industry as a Claims Adjuster for Psyc.
Since nobody actually "knows" anybody on this forum (are you really a cat? lol), how can we make disparaging remarks about their standard of living, no matter what they portray on a forum. Even the alcoholic in the alley that we avert our eyes from (because he's soiled himself) is not low class. What's his story, how did he get there?
There are people on this forum that are so angry.....and hateful in their postings. However, why are they like this? They all have a story to tell. We all have a tendency to judge from what we read, when actually they may not be like that at all.....in real life. Some people are so lonely, that this is the only attention they get. Others have real problems, and nobody will listen to them, so this is their only outlet. Some have dropped through the cracks, and society could care less. Do we reject them because they don't fit into our cookie cutter way we see how life should be? There are many on here that don't agree with me, or I with them......so what? None of them in my book are low class.........No one is!!!
Jordandog, I'm not coming down on you. I just happened to pick your post to say this. I happen to find your inquiries interesting, and they make me dig out answers.
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There are people on this forum that are so angry.....and hateful in their postings...We all have a tendency to judge from what we read, when actually they may not be like that at all.....in real life.
Yep, like you thinking I am angry, lol! (if you were referring to me) I'm not angry...I'm passionate. ;)
As for welfare, it is the people who ABUSE THE SYSTEM that tick me off. Obviously I cannot know for sure if marieelissa is one of those or not, but when she says stuff like, "It's so awesome; I get everything for free and live a life of watching TV and surfing the 'Net, all day long!" it's not helping her case for my thinking she's legit.
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Plus...I am not going to be miserable because I can't work...I will find happiness.
Actually, you CAN still work and NOT lose or endanger your benefits as long as you don't excede the income limits. I have MANY patients twice, three times your age (and also younger than you) with every type of cancer there is, AIDS, on dialysis 4 times/week, the list goes on. I am constantly amazed, and humbled, by just how many of them continue to work. You have the gall to say that you cannot?! You function to shop, be on a computer, make decisions for yourself, etc., but don't have even a part time job? Maybe getting yourself OFF the computer and OUT of these forums would do wonders for you because you certainly DO NOT come across as getting any 'happier' on here, seriously.
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There are people on this forum that are so angry.....and hateful in their postings...We all have a tendency to judge from what we read, when actually they may not be like that at all.....in real life.
Yep, like you thinking I am angry, lol! (if you were referring to me) I'm not angry...I'm passionate. ;)
As for welfare, it is the people who ABUSE THE SYSTEM that tick me off. Obviously I cannot know for sure if marieelissa is one of those or not, but when she says stuff like, "It's so awesome; I get everything for free and live a life of watching TV and surfing the 'Net, all day long!" it's not helping her case for my thinking she's legit.
There is abuse in EVERY system. Since you don't know if Marieelissa is one of those or not.........huh? It still doesn't afford you opportunity to stick a title of "lower than low class" on anybody, even if you knew.
You know qon, you have a pretty good IQ, anyone would be lying if they said otherwise, reading your posts. However, It's the lack of social graces where you need a bit of work. Name calling, negative titles, intimidation, and such like, doesn't get any point across except the fact your abrasive, and use it to it's full potential. No matter what your trying to pedal, it gets lost in your banter of ill will, which you wield like a saber. Passionate? .....I'm not convinced.
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Plus...I am not going to be miserable because I can't work...I will find happiness.
Actually, you CAN still work and NOT lose or endanger your benefits as long as you don't excede the income limits. I have MANY patients twice, three times your age (and also younger than you) with every type of cancer there is, AIDS, on dialysis 4 times/week, the list goes on. I am constantly amazed, and humbled, by just how many of them continue to work. You have the gall to say that you cannot?! You function to shop, be on a computer, make decisions for yourself, etc., but don't have even a part time job? Maybe getting yourself OFF the computer and OUT of these forums would do wonders for you because you certainly DO NOT come across as getting any 'happier' on here, seriously.
Yes, you can work and not lose your benefits, but there are limits and pretty complicated Regs. regarding it. Get the pamphlet "Working While Disabled". It reads like a college text book with it's formulas and applications. I have a College degree, and I even had trouble deciphering all the different monetary formulas to use for claiming how much you claim to the SSI. for somebody.
Some people cannot hold jobs, no matter how many they may obtain. All the things you listed are "physical" ailments. There are other disabilities that CANNOT be seen. These have the highest ignorance of public understanding, as the person "looks" perfectly normal, and even speaks normal at times, but are actually helpless in their ability to function for any extended period of time.
Gall? I feel it takes a lot of "gall" to label a person "lower than low class".
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I might add that unless your a robot...not believing in God or a Heaven will do some major damage to your spirit...I see it all over the D+D!
This is why I didn't understand some people but I do now...if they don't believe in God....they are hurting!
I'm certainly not a robot, but my spirit is not damaged by any means, nor am I 'hurting'. You always tout that people don't know you, so how can you say that about others here, regardless of a belief or non-belief in a god?
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Annella, I may not have worked for the SSA, but I am very knowledgeable about exactly how the system works, what the requirements are, and also that it happens to be MUCH easier to get disability for a mental illness simply because you cannot physically look into a person's psyche per se. It is quite easy to 'fool' doctors into believing you do have an aspect of mental illness - it happens day in and day out.
Yes, I did mention gall, but I did not say "lower than lower class". You tell me not to own what isn't mine, but when you write things in answer to me, and include other's comments, it looks like you are implying I did say them.
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I might add that unless your a robot...not believing in God or a Heaven will do some major damage to your spirit...I see it all over the D+D!
This is why I didn't understand some people but I do now...if they don't believe in God....they are hurting!
I'm certainly not a robot, but my spirit is not damaged by any means, nor am I 'hurting'. You always tout that people don't know you, so how can you say that about others here, regardless of a belief or non-belief in a god?
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Annella, I may not have worked for the SSA, but I am very knowledgeable about exactly how the system works, what the requirements are, and also that it happens to be MUCH easier to get disability for a mental illness simply because you cannot physically look into a person's psyche per se. It is quite easy to 'fool' doctors into believing you do have an aspect of mental illness - it happens day in and day out.
Yes, I did mention gall, but I did not say "lower than lower class". You tell me not to own what isn't mine, but when you write things in answer to me, and include other's comments, it looks like you are implying I did say them.
Your correct......you did not say "lower than low class", and I should not use your posts for a sounding board for other people's comments.......I sincerly apologize! My mind works ahead, and I try to "consolidate" my comments from other posts I've read on my way to comment (clear as mud, huh?.....lol). I'll try not to do that to you any more. :notworthy:
On another note: Every system has flaws, but we have no right to say this person is faking, or that one isn't. I have dealt with the Psyc. aspect of it, and we're not even scratching the surface. Not everybody that's drooling at the mouth, and claiming to be God, is mentally challenged. There are those that look so normal, dressed impeccably, articulate, socially acceptable, and SMART, but they have no idea how to function that way for more than 5 minutes. It used to be a more of a "crap shoot", than it is today. There are better "means" to weed out the freeloaders.
On the same note, how many of those claiming "back pain" get the benefits of SSI, and the only way they did it is through a crooked doctor? Where there's a surplus of money, there's going to be deceptive means to "bilk" the system.
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Jordandog, Didn't mean to yell either.....I corrected it.
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Thank you, Annella, because after about the 4th time, it was driving me bonkers when you kept telling me "not to own.....".
It's all good. ;)
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Thank you, Annella, because after about the 4th time, it was driving me bonkers when you kept telling me "not to own.....".
It's all good. ;)
4th time? ???
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Hell is here and now, this site is retarded (and I know how to design websites... and work with mentally retarded people). In the time it took me to figure out how to post this and that the site will not let me delete my own account but rather to post a "ticket" or whatever I could have made about $20.00 in the real world with less effort. Commerce is getting ridiculous when my bank can charge me fifty bucks for overdrawing a single dollar. If I have to spew a stream of obscenities to get off this site then so be it but I think maybe the Buddhists and Taoists had it right: hell is right here and we make it for ourselves, we keep suffering until that can be accepted. We amuse ourselves with really petty distractions. Screw Christianity! They INVENTED hell! (OK maybe not but they sure embellished on it and love to use that as the ultimate fear tactic). The devil is in the details... the world is full of petty people trying to clutch money one thin dime at time, like Fusion Cash. The only way to really win is to stop patronizing Wal-mart and giant corporations who don't give a damn about real people who actually work and don't want to pay them for their sweat. I delivered pizza for a place that charged $2.00 per delivery, I never saw that money, it came out of my gas tank and I lost money because people could no longer afford to tip. There is no contract, if there is a devil he gets you one dollar at a time.
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Hell is here and now, this site is retarded (and I know how to design websites... and work with mentally retarded people). In the time it took me to figure out how to post this and that the site will not let me delete my own account but rather to post a "ticket" or whatever I could have made about $20.00 in the real world with less effort. Commerce is getting ridiculous when my bank can charge me fifty bucks for overdrawing a single dollar. If I have to spew a stream of obscenities to get off this site then so be it but I think maybe the Buddhists and Taoists had it right: hell is right here and we make it for ourselves, we keep suffering until that can be accepted. We amuse ourselves with really petty distractions. Screw Christianity! They INVENTED hell! (OK maybe not but they sure embellished on it and love to use that as the ultimate fear tactic). The devil is in the details... the world is full of petty people trying to clutch money one thin dime at time, like Fusion Cash. The only way to really win is to stop patronizing Wal-mart and giant corporations who don't give a damn about real people who actually work and don't want to pay them for their sweat. I delivered pizza for a place that charged $2.00 per delivery, I never saw that money, it came out of my gas tank and I lost money because people could no longer afford to tip. There is no contract, if there is a devil he gets you one dollar at a time.
If you don't like it here...........just walk away, no reason to blast everything before you go..... :peace: