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Title: Freedom of Speech
Post by: thejoe2k8 on February 15, 2008, 07:50:15 pm: I was reading a few threads where people would post their feelings about certain offer or advertiser or other feelings about things and all that would be posted in the reply was, "read the forum rules."

I'm not one to step on anyone's toes, but I run a few online forum's and there's federal guidelines that you have to follow, including the right to free speech. The "rules" listed are against federal statutes regarding online venues where people gather to chat or whatever you want to call it.

In other words; you can't block or suspend someone who says something bad about an advertiser. As long as there's nothing offensive to other posters, then they can't be threatened to be banned from the forum. And by offensive that means nothing regarding sex, religion, race, or sexual orientation.

It's against federal laws and is punishable by law if someone is suspended or threatened to be suspended if they don't break any rules. No public forum can create rules just for the heck of it; they have to abide by federal online rules. This is a PUBLIC forum. Which means that the rules enforced have to be ones created by the federal government regarding online activity. If this was a private forum that would be different, but posters would still be able to post constructive remarks against advertisers. If most of them would pay out like they say they're going to, then there wouldn't be any reason to say anything bad about them. I can tell you 5 different links on here that everyone would be wasting their time on going through.

On top of that, if someone wishes to cancel; they have that right to do so and they also have the right to ask how to cancel to. Nobody can be held against their will to keep something they don't want. It's called a free trial for a reason and it's also come and go at will. Because there's no binding contract for anything offered on here. If they want to cancel and the offer states "sign up for free trial" then they have the right to cancel before the free trial is up. I'd be willing to bet that 99.9% of the members of this site only sign up for the free trial and cancel after it's credited. Fine and dandy, that's their business and you can't deny that you do it. I know too many people on here that do it. I know somebody bragging about how they made $700 in one month by creating fake references, but nothing was said to them, because they are a senior member of this site.

It also states that anyone and everyone can post a link to another website as long as they don't falsify the content of the website. This includes referral links. Like I said as long as they don't say, "make a million dollars overnight," then it is legal for them to post it inside a public forum. Let's be honest, most everybody on here belongs to another site anyway; so what does it matter? And most sites only offer pennies to maybe a dollar or so for a referral. A small price that NOBODY HAS TO PAY OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKET in order to help someone else make a little more money. It would be different if that person had to pay for it themselves. Which again isn't against the law as long as it's stated someone.

The point I'm trying to make isn't trying to ruin peoples chances in making extra money, but it's learn to treat everybody fair and equal; which doesn't happen in this forum.

So, I suggest that the rules be changed to the federal guidelines before this site gets sited for breaking federal laws and is shut down perminately.

Like I said, I didn't want to step on any toes; I'm just stating things that I know for a fact that can't be done in a public forum.
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: jazzy3098 on February 16, 2008, 05:42:44 am: This site is going no were soon FC has been around for over 2 and a Half years with out any problems. As far as them getting in trouble for any thing I do not see this happening.

To me from what you have said in your last statement you sound like you are making some sort of threat against FC. .

I suggest that the rules be changed to the federal guidelines before this site gets sited for breaking federal laws and is shut down perminately

I really hope this is not the case.
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: Kohler on February 16, 2008, 05:47:07 am: This forum is under ownership of FusionCash in which it uses FusionCash resources to operate. The use of our forum is a privilege and it is not a right to use it. You can say whatever you want about whatever, but if you say something about an advertiser that may but a strain on the relationship we have with them, we have to edit your post and ban you. And you are right, people can cancel because we know that you may see something, try it out, and decide it is not for you. What we do not like is people posting numbers so it is easier for others to cancel, especially the people who have no interest in the product and simply wish to earn a reward from it.

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"I know somebody bragging about how they made $700 in one month by creating fake references, but nothing was said to them, because they are a senior member of this site."
I do not know if this is in reference to our site or not, but our script is probably one of the most advanced scripts in the GPT world, and anyone trying to cheat the system can easily be found out and stopped.

Again, this is OUR forum, we are not going to allow other sites, our competition, to benefit from OUR members on OUR forum. This site operates in all legal rules both federal and state, if you do not like the rules set forth in the forum, do not post or visit the forum.
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: jazzy3098 on February 16, 2008, 06:26:33 am: Quote from: Kohler on February 16, 2008, 05:47:07 am
This forum is under ownership of FusionCash in which it uses FusionCash resources to operate. The use of our forum is a privilege and it is not a right to use it. You can say whatever you want about whatever, but if you say something about an advertiser that may but a strain on the relationship we have with them, we have to edit your post and ban you. And you are right, people can cancel because we know that you may see something, try it out, and decide it is not for you. What we do not like is people posting numbers so it is easier for others to cancel, especially the people who have no interest in the product and simply wish to earn a reward from it.

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"I know somebody bragging about how they made $700 in one month by creating fake references, but nothing was said to them, because they are a senior member of this site."
I do not know if this is in reference to our site or not, but our script is probably one of the most advanced scripts in the GPT world, and anyone trying to cheat the system can easily be found out and stopped.

Again, this is OUR forum, we are not going to allow other sites, our competition, to benefit from OUR members on OUR forum. This site operates in all legal rules both federal and state, if you do not like the rules set forth in the forum, do not post or visit the forum.

Here Here Well Said Kohler. I would have liked to see this so called law that this peron is inturpeting just to see how close he is to inturpreting it corectly. As we know all laws can be inturpreted in many ways. The right way and the wrong way. LOL I am sure that the law he was making a pont from was not inturpeted right.
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: thejoe2k8 on February 16, 2008, 07:25:56 am: Like I said, I didn't want to step on any toes. Sure this website is ran by fusioncash; I was just stating mere fact that even though this is ran by fusioncash, this is still considered a PUBLIC forum. Which means the rules set forth are against the state and federal mandate set forth for such a forum.

I LIKE FUSIONCASH! That's why I brought this up. You can't tell anyone what they can and can't say about anybody. Constitutional right. But you can object to the manner of what's said as long as it's not offensive or threatening.

I know these laws exist and are very clear considering the way things are done on the internet the past few years. As I stated, I run several online forums and almost got in trouble, because I created my own rules and someone reported me.

If this was a "pay for membership" site, then yes, you could run it under the Private Forum Act and make whatever rules you want to enforce. But the thing is, this isn't a pay site. Anyone can join at will; making it a Public forum.

It's also cheap that Fusioncash won't let anyone advertise their "competition," but it's a funny thing that when I go onto one of their competition's sites, they have an ad for fusioncash on there. How's that right? A good business treats competition as a resource. If someone can't find something from my business, I send them to another business to get what they need. It's called caring for the CUSTOMER'S needs. That's what we are. We're not MEMBERS of a website. We are customer's, consumers, or whatever you want to call it. If we purchase a service and aren't happy about that service; we as customer's have the RIGHT to object, cancel, and express any dislike we may have about said service.

Like I've said, I didn't want to step on anybodies toes. I like this site. I just don't want to see this site get in any trouble, because that's where it's heading if people are continued to have their rights taken away. Not a threat, just stating fact, because you never know what someone will do.

So read into it what you want to, opinions are like... You know? But when there's laws set in place you can't modify them to your liking. I don't care frankly, I make more money on the other sites and get it quicker, but I'm thinking of the other people who seem to love this site and seem to enjoy the friends they make or whatever. I'm not here to make friends, just extra money.
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: froggyjoe on February 16, 2008, 08:26:52 am: excuse me here COUGHING REALLY LOUD HERE. my first question are you a want to be lawyer. if not Im very sure Fusion Cash is aware any limitations. further more, I guess im out of the 99 percent that cancells any free offer. trial.. I usually and most always go for the free trials to sample the product, or service that im most interested in. most always . havent found one that i didnt like that had to cancel. and still enjoying my membership even after the trial period is over.. and to speculate a poll percentage is just wrong. .. you say 99 percent of people on here that do, do that. let me tell you something honey. to actually speculate or even suggest that you should have solid proof of that happening before you slam that one about. I resent you being a newbie on here and throwing your so called im a lawyer want to be on here. take your own advice on here then.. If you dont like the fusion rules on here . then you are free to cancel. but throwing the rules at fusion is JUST WRONG.
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: froggyjoe on February 16, 2008, 08:32:03 am: I have reread your letter 2 times . and found so many hypricritcal statements on here and contradicting yourself my head is spinning
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: thejoe2k8 on February 16, 2008, 10:39:30 am: Well, Froggy. It goes like this. No, I am no lawyer, nor do I want to be one. If you've read what I typed then you would have seen that I've done the whole public forum and still do on occassion. I know the federal laws regarding public forums and YES THIS IS A PUBLIC FORUM. There's not one thing contridicting or hypocritical about my stating pure and simple facts that you can find through any internet search engine. On one of my PUBLIC forums I had made up my own rules. I received a complaint from the web host that stated that I was in violation of federal government laws and ones constitutional right of free speech. The only way, in a public forum, that anyone can threaten a ban or warn someone pertaining to pure text is if it contains profanity or comments towards someones religious, sexual preference or anything else that may be considered discriminatory.

How am I being a hypocrit or contridictory or even a wannabe lawyer for stating things that anyone can find out? All you need is common sense and the ability to read on a third grade level to understand what point that I'm trying to make. Everyone is making a mountain out of a mole hill. Especially when I'M TRYING TO KEEP THIS SITE FROM GETTING IN ANY TROUBLE. You're reading too much into what I'm saying.

As far as my statistics. Based on what I've witnessed on other forums talking about these sites, doing a quick number scan 99 out of 100 people who sign up for the bigger payout trial offers, cancel before the trial ends. Based on a web poll, out of 1,200 people who voted almost 94% said they have cancelled before the trial offer ended or after they received credit for the offer. Which is NOT illegal, because you're getting paid to TRY the offer. It also states that you're not to do an offer that YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED IN. But people do it anyway.

Why get upset and blast me for trying to keep the site from getting in trouble? I never personally blasted anyone or anything like that, so calling me hypocrit is very offensive to me; considering I've not said anything hypocritical by definition. As far as me being a newbie; I've been a member of this site for over a year. This is a new account, yes, but only because I don't remember my login information from my old address. Remember what they say about assumptions? Don't assume, because somebody doesn't live their entire life on this site that they are a NEWBIE and doesn't have the right to post what is FEDERAL LAW. Which if you read my posts as much as you say you have then you would generate the fact that I'm trying to help the site out and make it possible for it to be around for another two years or more.

Go ahead and attack me or what you think the laws should be. The point is the next time you ban somebody or warn them when they technically haven't done anything wrong other than go against a request, because to be technical, the currents terms of service regarding this forum are just simple requests and are NOT backed by federal laws pertaining public forums. For the simple reason of if you ban someone for voicing an opinion in a civilized way then fusioncash would be liable in federal court.

Only here would someone be crucified for telling the truth and trying to help everyone out. Only here!
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: Hardtimer on February 16, 2008, 10:49:19 am: Forum rules you can easily find

Observe the golden rule
Treat others as you would like to be treated
Respect our advertisers
Do not discuss cancellation or post disparaging remarks
Do not paste links to other sites
This means no referral links whatsoever - even in private messages
Understand that we cannot filter all of the content on the forums, so you may read or see something you don't like.

Information about cancelling your account easily found by surfing the site.

http://www.fusioncash.net/tos.php

Go to "C" to cancel your account& "click here"

It is ludicris to think a person is so upset over forum rules and not posting things, and why do you even care what the 99% of people do, I assume your not one of those 99% right? Then, by all means your following the rules as stated and should not worry of what others do. You can not always believe what others say. And, forums are not meant for freedom of speech where you can say or do what you wish. Just like in society we can not put a sharp object to ones head and force them to listen or else...... It s about being civilized and intelligent enough to read the rules of each forum you venture on before stating things like" posting referral links" which IS not ALLOWED. This is not the first or last forum that does this. They have the right to set forth this rule as part of THEIR site.

All I can say is goodluck to you. :wave:

And, Kohler I am hitting the "ignore" tab now ;D no worries ;)
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: froggyjoe on February 16, 2008, 11:06:38 am: first contradiction. your saying you do not like how fusion rules are iLLEGALand yet you say YOU REALLY LIKE FUSION? Contradiction 2: you keep bragging about you had a site and you made up your own rules. so you assume fusion is? are you going to say your going to sue? cause you beleive fusion is breaking some kind of law? but yet your here trying to make money to me that is HYPRICRITICAL. so my point is if you feel in any way fusion is breakng all the constitution laws on here . Then why are you on an illegal site then. trying to make money on it?
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: LendaL on February 16, 2008, 11:08:09 am: @thejoe2k8

I understand what you're saying and i have read these forums long enough to know why you made the statements above, and im surprised the FC groupies have not ripped you a new one actually, as they are as protective over this site as a mother bear is of her cubs..

I am not a member of lots of gpt sites, just those that i have taken a particular 'liking' to...and one thing that i have learned in my short time of being a gpt'er is this...when a site is new and its membership is low, they go out of their way to please its members, as the site gets bigger, i notice the members opinions,suggestions, complaints..etc are not taken as seriously as they were before, when membership was low...(anybody that is/was a member of Prizebook should get what im talking about)...before i even sign up to any sites, if they have a forum, i look thru it, and im looking for a couple of things, 1) are the members able to express themselves with a reasonable amount of freedom..2) are any mods/admins ever present or is it wannabe modsyou know the folks that need some sort of recognition so they can feel proud of themselves while they sit at their computer in their underwear typing,(which im sure quite a few folks are doing right now..lol).. 3) Is it a 'friendly' forum...meaning are that particular sites 'groupies' ready to pounce at any sign of criticism etc...-and ALL gpt sites that have active forums have those lunatic azz groupies-

When i find a site that has most of those qualities (and plus pays well) i settle in, i dont waste much time tryin to make suggestions to site owners any more...i figure its THEIR site, and THEY will run it as they please, most of us know as with most businesses, nothing will be changed/improved/upgraded until someone starts losing money...There are tons of GPT sites out here, so i wouldnt waste alot of time tryin to get some gpt site to see things your way...but instead if you're dedicated...start a site of your own and implement some of your ideas there..(if it pays well and quick i would sign up!.-i think Paycage, has some sort of tutorial on that)...

bottom line to quote Kohler: "This forum is under ownership of FusionCash in which it uses FusionCash resources to operate The use of our forum is a privilege and it is not a right to use it."

You dont have to defend your comments dude, you made your point..and im glad you werent afraid to post what im sure many people of forums like these have opinions about.....the owners of these sites are in the business of keeping the advertisers happy, -advertisers can get you banned, but an advertiser can rob members blind and still be sitting in the offer section...why?...M-O-N-E-Y...the best a site will do is keep warning you to read the TOS very well, stoppin short of saying if you dont 'advertiser X' is gonna dip into your account again..lol..

dont let how FC runs THEIR site bother you...its a privilege to be here..remember?? :notworthy:

'Prizebook' woulda deleted your thread and muted you, so its not all bad here
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: froggyjoe on February 16, 2008, 11:12:53 am: foot note: Fusion Cash in all right by discretion is bounded by law which has been inforced there of : which gives all parties of Ownership the right to discrimanate against those that violate rules of regulations of thier site rather it would be vulgar, sexual or harrasing. Causing harm or embarrasment to others. should result in the owners of the site right to ban. suspend. such of those speeches should not be allowed on Fusion. so there is a really good line on freedom of speech here.

thats my story and im sticking to it nothing illegal about that.
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: froggyjoe on February 16, 2008, 11:18:49 am: :wave: Groupies on Fusion lol.. where can i sign up to be one lol.. I want to be a fusion groupy oh wait I already am lol..
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: thejoe2k8 on February 16, 2008, 11:19:42 am: Clearly you're missing the point I'm trying to make, too. Forums weren't designed for alot of things, but they're used for those things anyway. That's why the government stepped in and designed laws governing these things. Considering most people use online forums and chatrooms to make friends and voice concerns instead of going out to public places or government offices and voicing themselves.

I never said that I wasn't one of those 99%, because frankly I'm probably the only person in this forum that will say, yes I've done it. I have cancelled a service, but only after trying it out for a week or two.

Of course there's the golden rule of treating people the way you want to be treated; goes without saying. But it's not against the law. I went out of my way after seeing what was going on to inform that it's not right and against the law; just to keep anyone from getting in trouble for it.

I've said my piece and don't really care anymore. Do whatever you want.
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: LendaL on February 16, 2008, 11:22:45 am: Quote from: froggyjoe on February 16, 2008, 11:18:49 am
:wave: Groupies on Fusion lol.. where can i sign up to be one lol.. I want to be a fusion groupy oh wait I already am lol..

lol girl, everyone is a groupie when they first sign up...trust me..(i may have been one, but i refuse to admit it, and i dont want anyone looking up my past comments to rub it in my face either!..lol)...most groupies calm down when the freebies start drying up....and they will.. :wave:
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: froggyjoe on February 16, 2008, 11:26:43 am: :wave: hi ya.. so any whododedo hows the weather?
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: LendaL on February 16, 2008, 11:32:15 am: its colder here then id like, thats for sure
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: froggyjoe on February 16, 2008, 11:39:55 am: omg yes..I agree. and so glad spring is just around the corner. like u getting fed up with it lol
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: chadborine on February 16, 2008, 11:54:20 am: its cold and snowy here hope it warms up soon so i van complain the heat :icon_rr:
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: froggyjoe on February 16, 2008, 12:17:20 pm: ok I have to say this. can no longer hold it back.. I tried.. may it be I have missed the point and yes maybe I am being a mother hen cuase im new. But I have not yet seen anysite that is 100percent perfect in anyway. I guess I get erked.( me thing working on it) yes they are those that will still try to link or do things fusion has asked over and over again not to. And to me if fusion does not take an action you think is right or should. I feel you are complaining about it. cuase fusion is taking thier action of the situation thier way not your way. I can go to other sites find all the flaws possible and bring them up. But why. what will it solve? has my lil buddies god love him.. he has did his petition. well that force bringing back the manuel credit to me NO. And im sure they have a really good reason not to. But sure we all will find something we dont like or like.. I d like to read more of what they do like about fusion instead of complaining all the time they didnt get credit.. ok that happens but bottom line did you at least enjoy the product you wanted to get in the first place?
either way its a win win.. to me I have done offers I wouldnt of heard of before like mehi mills.. im really liking that one.. have ordered another time from them and wil in the future.. shoebuy another one I was unaware of and plan on buying from them again.. its a really honest site. with fast delivery and has all your name brands of what your wanting. where are those conversations at? all im hearing is did you get credit, I ddint get credit so forth?
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: Kohler on February 16, 2008, 03:35:56 pm: As a note: Other sites have FusionCash ads because we PAY them to, we don't get paid for you guys talking about their site.

Also, the "rules" are really Terms of Service, meaning if you post here -- you agree to the rules set forth in those Terms of Service. Don't like the rules? Don't post. It is simple.
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: jazzy3098 on February 16, 2008, 08:39:54 pm: As I have said before I would like to see this so called law that is being thrown around. Oh and by the way Law runs in my family wich is made of of Lawers. So I have learned over the years how to read the law and inturpet it. Please post this so called law you are so eliquently thorwing around. I dare you to show us all the exact law.
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: jlb001 on February 16, 2008, 08:58:36 pm: i'll ban you all from the internet!

for i am

<------ oh, yeah.
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: jazzy3098 on February 16, 2008, 09:10:12 pm: Quote from: jlb001 on February 16, 2008, 08:58:36 pm
i'll ban you all from the internet!

for i am

<------ oh, yeah.

LOL my friend you are too much.
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: thejoe2k8 on February 17, 2008, 06:08:51 am: Only here would someone (or everyone) get upset about the FACTS I've put out there. Froggyjoe, you're still missing what I'm saying. You call it contridiction. How is it a contridiction saying that I like this site and don't want to see it get in any kind of trouble and forced to shut down? How am I being a hypocrite by being on this site and trying to earn extra money just like everybody else? Where have I said that I'm going to sue for anything? How am I BRAGGING, I believe is the word that was used, by having my own forums? When in fact anybody and everybody can have their own forum. It's free and all you need is just a little knowledge about the internet.

To the person who is wanting to know about the federal laws pertaining to public forums. Go to any other forum site and read them. By law you're required to have those federal laws posted. This site is the only place that doesn't.

I couldn't care any less than I do about this situation. All I can tell you is, is that I know the federal laws and this site is in violation of them. Why does it matter to me? It doesn't, but when you moderators, other members, and the "groupies" whatever, attacking another member like a pack of wolves when they asked, "how can I cancel something I didn't mean to sign up for?" And being told that was a violation and that was a warning, then yeah, I'm going to say something about it. Regardless to what b.s. requests you want to pass off as rules. It was and is that member's right as a customer to know how to cancel an offer THEY DIDN'T MEAN TO SIGN UP FOR WITHOUT ANY KIND OF WARNING.

To whoever it was that said pretty much everybody in their family is a lawyer, but them ??? Being a lawyer doesn't make a difference in any case, because there's nothing to interpret. The laws stated are clear as a bell. They're laws that have been around since the constitution just modified a small amount to fit the internet standards today.

I don't play "follow the leader" and suck up to anybody and everybody they believe holds clout in this site, because trust me; this forum isn't moderated by anyone in the fusioncash front office. The moderators are simply members themselves and the only reason they're worshipped is because you most of you believe you can make more money by it sucking up to them.

At first I didn't want to step on anybody's toes. Now, I hope I'm dancing all over them. Guess what? Knowing that it bothers so many of you, I'm going to continue to post on this forum and dance on more toes. Why? Because there's nothing anyone can do about it, because I'm not breaking any "rules" under your law. I am constituting my right of free speech and expression.

Golden rule: Treat people the way you want to be treated? Maybe you should practice what you preach and maybe next time you'll figure out when someone's trying to be nice and help before something bad happens. Which is what I was trying to do, but once again the common people in this world get bent out of shape and appreciate being treated right and being helped out.

I'm done with this topic, but I promise I'll see you elsewhere on the board :bootyshake:
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: jazzy3098 on February 17, 2008, 07:27:05 am: Quote from: thejoe2k8 on February 17, 2008, 06:08:51 am
Only here would someone (or everyone) get upset about the FACTS I've put out there. Froggyjoe, you're still missing what I'm saying. You call it contridiction. How is it a contridiction saying that I like this site and don't want to see it get in any kind of trouble and forced to shut down? How am I being a hypocrite by being on this site and trying to earn extra money just like everybody else? Where have I said that I'm going to sue for anything? How am I BRAGGING, I believe is the word that was used, by having my own forums? When in fact anybody and everybody can have their own forum. It's free and all you need is just a little knowledge about the internet.

To the person who is wanting to know about the federal laws pertaining to public forums. Go to any other forum site and read them. By law you're required to have those federal laws posted. This site is the only place that doesn't.

I couldn't care any less than I do about this situation. All I can tell you is, is that I know the federal laws and this site is in violation of them. Why does it matter to me? It doesn't, but when you moderators, other members, and the "groupies" whatever, attacking another member like a pack of wolves when they asked, "how can I cancel something I didn't mean to sign up for?" And being told that was a violation and that was a warning, then yeah, I'm going to say something about it. Regardless to what b.s. requests you want to pass off as rules. It was and is that member's right as a customer to know how to cancel an offer THEY DIDN'T MEAN TO SIGN UP FOR WITHOUT ANY KIND OF WARNING.

To whoever it was that said pretty much everybody in their family is a lawyer, but them ??? Being a lawyer doesn't make a difference in any case, because there's nothing to interpret. The laws stated are clear as a bell. They're laws that have been around since the constitution just modified a small amount to fit the internet standards today.

I don't play "follow the leader" and suck up to anybody and everybody they believe holds clout in this site, because trust me; this forum isn't moderated by anyone in the fusioncash front office. The moderators are simply members themselves and the only reason they're worshipped is because you most of you believe you can make more money by it sucking up to them.

At first I didn't want to step on anybody's toes. Now, I hope I'm dancing all over them. Guess what? Knowing that it bothers so many of you, I'm going to continue to post on this forum and dance on more toes. Why? Because there's nothing anyone can do about it, because I'm not breaking any "rules" under your law. I am constituting my right of free speech and expression.

Golden rule: Treat people the way you want to be treated? Maybe you should practice what you preach and maybe next time you'll figure out when someone's trying to be nice and help before something bad happens. Which is what I was trying to do, but once again the common people in this world get bent out of shape and appreciate being treated right and being helped out.

I'm done with this topic, but I promise I'll see you elsewhere on the board :bootyshake:

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To whoever it was that said pretty much everybody in their family is a lawyer, but them ??? Being a lawyer doesn't make a difference in any case, because there's nothing to interpret. The laws stated are clear as a bell. They're laws that have been around since the constitution just modified a small amount to fit the internet standards today.

That was me who said that and you still haven't posted this so called law for all of us to see.
All you have posted solar is your interpretation of the law. POST IT I Dare You..................

As for you saying you don't care who the heck are you kidding. If you were really concerned you could have taken this subject and mailed it to Support. I think the only reason you posted any thing like this is because you just wanted some attention. You are jealous because your sites failed and FC is a success.

So as I said I DARE YOU TO POST THIS LAW in here and post the Reference as to were you fond it. If you can’t do that then you are nothing more the a FAKE and an ATTENTION SEEKER. :binkybaby:
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: LendaL on February 17, 2008, 08:13:55 am: I agree with alot of what thejoe2k8 posted, regarding why some of these members get so bent out of shape when someone else speaks up concerning FC or its policies...we have discussed this before about how SOME members just have to rush to FC defense no matter the topic...and like him im assuming all that azz kissing has something to do with them thinkin perhaps their offers will credit more (if thats the case sign me up for groupie status also), or they will become moderaters, get some bonus..etc... it used to annoy me..now i just see it as being pathetic, FC states clearly that it has no problem with members or its members opinions of FC so long as they follow the sites TOS..

odd how its not FC thats gettin bent out of shape...i dont give a hoot about how folks choose to run their site, just pay me what im owed and in a timely manner..

1. Observe the golden rule -- Treat others as you would like to be treated So please respect everyone, even if you do not agree with them, or get along with them We are not going to mute people's opinion of us or other subjects. (which to me says, 2 u groupies...dont even waste your damn time sucking up, wont do u any good, and FC dont care)..
Nuff said..

p.s thejoe2k8 keep tap dancing on those toes , its refreshing to see someone holding their own...most of us are not groupies..I personally welcome good dialogue, and differences of opinions.
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: thejoe2k8 on February 17, 2008, 08:33:41 am: There was nothing on my sites to fail. They're forums; so what is there to fail. Not an offer site like this one. One of them is still quite active. I told you where to go to get the laws. You can go to any public forum website or online chatroom and view these laws. Or you can go to any government office and request the laws pertaining to internet chat sites and public forums. It's no secret thing. Go look for yourself, I DARE YOU. I would post the laws from my site, but it leads to my site with is loaded with referral links from not only me, but other users. If I wanted to post a thread for attention as you call it. I would've picked a more interesting subject, because frankly this subject is boring, but it seems that you and the others are drawn to the drama that everybody's caused by this subject. Plus I get plenty of attention from family and friends that I couldn't care less if I got attention from you or not. Don't be so shallow.

If you or anyone else wants to express your ignorance or stupidity when someone is trying to make a simple fact to, let me say this one more friggin' time, KEEP THIS SITE OUT OF TROUBLE, BECAUSE I LIKE, YES LIKE. Read the last part typed in caps over and over until it makes sense. I didn't go to support, because, once again, didn't want anybody to get in any trouble. Does anybody here read and understand plain english or is it primarily moronish that is spoken around here. Most normal and friendly people would say, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONCERN, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THE SITUATION. No, not here. I'm treated like garbage for trying to be helpful. So, I'm following the golden rule by treating people the way I've been treated so far.

I think it's funny that in the rules thread it states something about the right to free speech, but they fail to list that you only have the right to free speech here if you're in the inner circle. Sure, everybody's posted their right of speech, but have done so in a smart @$$ way. Which is against this sites so-called golden rule. Because I, in no way, threatened, implied threat, or any kind of harmful action to receive the hostile replies that I have gotten on this subject.

Speaking of FusionCash terms of service and contridictions... You cannot say anything disrespectful about advertisers on this site, but you can say that the advertisers offer is "A SCAM" because it is done so out of anger. How is telling someone their ad is a scam not being disrespectful? But yet, I've seen posts locked/deleted with posters being told that they can't say that about an advertiser, because it may offend them.

The truth of the matter is if Kohler or whatever the name is or anybody else who belongs to the circle jerk would have posted this, everyone would be saying, AMEN or whatever. But because it came from an "outsider" what happens? I get pounced on.

Also, I forgot this one little detail. Kohler had mentioned the reason why fusion cash has offers on these other paid offer sites is because they pay for it. Then why hasn't half the people I know that's signed up for fusioncash from these sites been credited for it? The fact of the matter is that these other sites want their members to make as much money as they can so they give you options to go to the "competition" and make more money. All the while FusionCash tries to run a monopoly.

Thank you for the support Lendal. If groupie status pays more then I might be willing to change my tune lol.
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: Kohler on February 17, 2008, 08:50:43 am: No one is pouncing on you, and I am sorry you feel that way. But if you come in speaking that FusionCash is breaking federal laws and will get shut down, of course people are going to get riled up and that is something you probably should have known while typing your post. I do not jump on anyone for anything, other than for breaking the rules.

What I dot understand is you are calling this a "circle jerk" including another small quip to *bleep* people off, and then you say everyone is jumping on you. I am an administrator here, and I am trying to let you know where you are incorrect in your assessment. No one has called you names as far as I can see, everyone is stating their opinion which happens to be different than yours and you take offense to it. No advertiser can be called a SCAM on the site without any sort of recourse, so I do not know where you pulled that from. People are not credited from FusionCash for several reasons, much like the same reasons people are not credited for any offer. False information, being outside of the US, not confirming email address are just a few of the reasons a credit does not go through.

Again, we have not muted, edited, or locked this topic and your opinion is welcome here, as is everyone's. But just know next time that you say something, people may have a completely different opinion than you, and that it is not an attack, it is just their opinion.
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: jimvictor on February 17, 2008, 08:51:34 am: thejoe!!! Ive been here around 3 or 4 months, one thing i found out...dont try question, dispute, or even post a comment or question that may be even remotely considered negitive to FC..you ll get jumped.
If you dont live in here, you aint dung. I seen what you were saying, and as usual, A huge mountain was made out a mole hill.
Just kiss butt and call it ice cream and you ll be ok, if not..you know where the door is, thats the usual response.
If its not against the TOS..it ll be against the cliques rules.
Good luck fella.
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: Administrator on February 17, 2008, 11:25:31 am: Didn't read the entire thread but a few things stuck out...

- This is not a public forum, it's a private forum, hosted on a private server owned by a private corporation. Your posts become the exclusive property of FusionCash, Inc. upon submission.

- There is no such thing as a "Public Forum Act" nor any federal statutes (to my knowledge) that govern forums specifically. You may be thinking of "common carrier" status which some communications mediums claim (often unsuccessfully once tried in court). But "common carrier" is used in the opposite way -- they claim that by NOT moderating the posts, they are immune to prosecution for hosting illegal content [Read more (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality)]. Once again, this is a private forum - we DO actively moderate posts because we have a financial incentive to do so. We make no claims to being a common carrier, nor that we support "freedom of speech" in the absolute sense.

- While you may feel otherwise, we actually do read and consider member posts and opinions - both on the forums and via support ticket. FusionCash has over one million members, only a fraction of which are represented here on the forums. We do our best to balance the needs and wants of members and advertisers, but it's often tricky. Here are some examples of member suggestions which we have implemented:
http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=1867.msg18227#msg18227 - Ignore offers
http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=1859.msg18021#msg18021 - Referral FAQ
http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=1756.msg16918#msg16918 - Click tracking page
http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=1461.msg14329#msg14329 - Ignore forum posters
http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=833.msg8002#msg8002 - Mislabeled offer
http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=522.msg4946#msg4946 - Offer was slowing down people's computers
http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=359.msg3232#msg3232 - Offer went down

Here are some examples of me providing an explanation as to why a suggestion was not implemented:
http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=1743.msg16907#msg16907 - Offer reporting function
http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=1743.msg17300#msg17300 - "I completed this offer" button
http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=1040.msg10616#msg10616 - Why there aren't more 'no cc' offers

- The last thing that bugs me about this thread are the allegations that we 'jump on' people who post negative remarks. While we do indeed moderate posts that offer unfounded criticisms of our advertisers (hey, they pay the bills), we make an effort to promote open discourse. For example, this thread (http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=1743.0) went to four pages of constructive debate about the discontinuation of the manual credit program.

Nobody is perfect, and that applies even more so to businesses. We do not claim to be. We're here to turn a profit. If you don't like it, or if you disagree with any of our policies -
Quote from: jimvictor
you know where the door is
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: Administrator on February 17, 2008, 11:41:57 am: Oh -- and I'm giving you special permission to post a link to any verifiable source of these so-called federal laws regarding internet discussion mediums (you wont be banned, even if there are referral links). You claim that it's an extension of the constitution, but that makes no sense at all: "freedom of speech" is (well, more or less) guaranteed by the First Amendment and not the Constitution, and neither the Constitution nor any of the amendments have been amended with the Internet in mind. It's all frankly too new. So please -- put up or shut up, as you said you were doing several pages ago.
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: JUILAGILL on February 17, 2008, 11:49:40 am: Quote from: thejoe2k8 on February 15, 2008, 07:50:15 pm
I was reading a few threads where people would post their feelings about certain offer or advertiser or other feelings about things and all that would be posted in the reply was, "read the forum rules."

I'm not one to step on anyone's toes, but I run a few online forum's and there's federal guidelines that you have to follow, including the right to free speech. The "rules" listed are against federal statutes regarding online venues where people gather to chat or whatever you want to call it.

In other words; you can't block or suspend someone who says something bad about an advertiser. As long as there's nothing offensive to other posters, then they can't be threatened to be banned from the forum. And by offensive that means nothing regarding sex, religion, race, or sexual orientation.

It's against federal laws and is punishable by law if someone is suspended or threatened to be suspended if they don't break any rules. No public forum can create rules just for the heck of it; they have to abide by federal online rules. This is a PUBLIC forum. Which means that the rules enforced have to be ones created by the federal government regarding online activity. If this was a private forum that would be different, but posters would still be able to post constructive remarks against advertisers. If most of them would pay out like they say they're going to, then there wouldn't be any reason to say anything bad about them. I can tell you 5 different links on here that everyone would be wasting their time on going through.

On top of that, if someone wishes to cancel; they have that right to do so and they also have the right to ask how to cancel to. Nobody can be held against their will to keep something they don't want. It's called a free trial for a reason and it's also come and go at will. Because there's no binding contract for anything offered on here. If they want to cancel and the offer states "sign up for free trial" then they have the right to cancel before the free trial is up. I'd be willing to bet that 99.9% of the members of this site only sign up for the free trial and cancel after it's credited. Fine and dandy, that's their business and you can't deny that you do it. I know too many people on here that do it. I know somebody bragging about how they made $700 in one month by creating fake references, but nothing was said to them, because they are a senior member of this site.

It also states that anyone and everyone can post a link to another website as long as they don't falsify the content of the website. This includes referral links. Like I said as long as they don't say, "make a million dollars overnight," then it is legal for them to post it inside a public forum. Let's be honest, most everybody on here belongs to another site anyway; so what does it matter? And most sites only offer pennies to maybe a dollar or so for a referral. A small price that NOBODY HAS TO PAY OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKET in order to help someone else make a little more money. It would be different if that person had to pay for it themselves. Which again isn't against the law as long as it's stated someone.

The point I'm trying to make isn't trying to ruin peoples chances in making extra money, but it's learn to treat everybody fair and equal; which doesn't happen in this forum.

So, I suggest that the rules be changed to the federal guidelines before this site gets sited for breaking federal laws and is shut down perminately.

Like I said, I didn't want to step on any toes; I'm just stating things that I know for a fact that can't be done in a public forum.

You are on a private server. ROFL. how old are you ;)
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: jazzy3098 on February 17, 2008, 11:50:59 am: Quote from: Administrator on February 17, 2008, 11:41:57 am
Oh -- and I'm giving you special permission to post a link to any verifiable source of these so-called federal laws regarding internet discussion mediums (you wont be banned, even if there are referral links). You claim that it's an extension of the constitution, but that makes no sense at all: "freedom of speech" is (well, more or less) guaranteed by the First Amendment and not the Constitution, and neither the Constitution nor any of the amendments have been amended with the Internet in mind. It's all frankly too new. So please -- put up or shut up, as you said you were doing several pages ago.

Here Here Clapping Just as I have said in my second post of this thread I want to see this so called law he is talking about. To me this person sounds totaly full of it cause I have dared him to post the law in here several times and he still hasn't. I am glad that you too are telling him to post this so called law in here for all of us to read. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: thejoe2k8 on February 17, 2008, 12:22:37 pm: READ THIS: I made it perfectly clear when I created this thread that I did NOT want to step on anybody's toes. Never intended to. Whenever I committed to the post, my intension was to inform fusioncash that there IS a federal law governing online chat sites and PUBLIC forums. You can go on any forum or chat site and read these ammendments or you can go to any federal government office and get this upon request. It's something they created a few years ago when online activity became more popular and more people were attending these chat rooms and forums more than a physical outlet. So they modified those laws and any other chatroom site (yahoo, aol, msn) has these laws posted in their terms. This is a public forum whether you want to admit to it or not. Regardless of being run off of a private server from a private company or not. The only way you can consider this a PRIVATE forum is to charge a membership fee. Which no one would pay for when their main purpose here is to try to make extra money.

I haven't been jumped on or called names? How about hypocrite? I was attacked and accused of trying to shut this site down whenever I enjoy coming on this site and doing offers to make a little extra money. I was trying to help this site and I get accused of doing the opposite. So, yeah, that pisses me off to an extent. Then again it doesn't matter to me really, because all you are to me is a name.

But, like I said, my intentions were to be nice and inform somebody what was going on and they might want to change something before anyone got in trouble. I'm sorry for trying to help. If I upset anyone or got anyone riled up... Good, because you deserve it from the way you reacted whenever you clearly didn't read what I was saying.

THIS JUST IN: LIKE I'VE SAID OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER. THIS IS IN PLAIN TYPED ENGLISH. GO TO ANY CHAT ROOM AND ANY FORUM AND LOOK AT THE TOS. THE AMMENDMENT OF FREE SPEECH IS THE FIRST AMMENDMENT OF THE CONSTITUTION. WHICH WE ALL LEARN IN SCHOOL. DARE ME ALL YOU WANT, I DON'T PLAY LITTLE SCHOOLHOUSE GAMES. I TRIPLE DOG DARE YOU TO GO TO ANY FRIGGIN' CHAT ROOM AND READ THE FRIGGIN' FEDERAL LAWS THAT MENTIONS FRIGGIN' ONLINE ACTIVITY. YES, YES, INCLUDING CHAT ROOMS AND PUBLIC, READ IT GOOD, PUBLIC FORUMS. I'M NOT POSTING ANY LINK TO MY FORUM, BECAUSE FRANKLY I DON'T WANT TRASH CLUTTERING UP MY SERVER. THERE YOU HAVE IT. TAKE THE TIME YOURSELF AND LOOK IT UP OR LEARN THE HARD WAY. SO YOU'RE THE ONE WITH SOMETHING TO PROVE HERE. MY END IS JUST PLAIN COMMON FRIGGIN' SENSE. YOU WANT TO PROVE ME WRONG, GO AHEAD AND TRY. BECAUSE I PERSONALLY WANT TO BE HERE WHEN YOU HAVE A BIG, SWEATY, FUNGUS BOUND FOOT SANDWHICH. OR A BIG BUFFET OF CROW.
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: jazzy3098 on February 17, 2008, 12:30:38 pm: Quote from: thejoe2k8 on February 17, 2008, 12:22:37 pm
READ THIS: I made it perfectly clear when I created this thread that I did NOT want to step on anybody's toes. Never intended to. Whenever I committed to the post, my intension was to inform fusioncash that there IS a federal law governing online chat sites and PUBLIC forums. You can go on any forum or chat site and read these ammendments or you can go to any federal government office and get this upon request. It's something they created a few years ago when online activity became more popular and more people were attending these chat rooms and forums more than a physical outlet. So they modified those laws and any other chatroom site (yahoo, aol, msn) has these laws posted in their terms. This is a public forum whether you want to admit to it or not. Regardless of being run off of a private server from a private company or not. The only way you can consider this a PRIVATE forum is to charge a membership fee. Which no one would pay for when their main purpose here is to try to make extra money.

I haven't been jumped on or called names? How about hypocrite? I was attacked and accused of trying to shut this site down whenever I enjoy coming on this site and doing offers to make a little extra money. I was trying to help this site and I get accused of doing the opposite. So, yeah, that pisses me off to an extent. Then again it doesn't matter to me really, because all you are to me is a name.

But, like I said, my intentions were to be nice and inform somebody what was going on and they might want to change something before anyone got in trouble. I'm sorry for trying to help. If I upset anyone or got anyone riled up... Good, because you deserve it from the way you reacted whenever you clearly didn't read what I was saying.

THIS JUST IN: LIKE I'VE SAID OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER. THIS IS IN PLAIN TYPED ENGLISH. GO TO ANY CHAT ROOM AND ANY FORUM AND LOOK AT THE TOS. THE AMMENDMENT OF FREE SPEECH IS THE FIRST AMMENDMENT OF THE CONSTITUTION. WHICH WE ALL LEARN IN SCHOOL. DARE ME ALL YOU WANT, I DON'T PLAY LITTLE SCHOOLHOUSE GAMES. I TRIPLE DOG DARE YOU TO GO TO ANY FRIGGIN' CHAT ROOM AND READ THE FRIGGIN' FEDERAL LAWS THAT MENTIONS FRIGGIN' ONLINE ACTIVITY. YES, YES, INCLUDING CHAT ROOMS AND PUBLIC, READ IT GOOD, PUBLIC FORUMS. I'M NOT POSTING ANY LINK TO MY FORUM, BECAUSE FRANKLY I DON'T WANT TRASH CLUTTERING UP MY SERVER. THERE YOU HAVE IT. TAKE THE TIME YOURSELF AND LOOK IT UP OR LEARN THE HARD WAY. SO YOU'RE THE ONE WITH SOMETHING TO PROVE HERE. MY END IS JUST PLAIN COMMON FRIGGIN' SENSE. YOU WANT TO PROVE ME WRONG, GO AHEAD AND TRY. BECAUSE I PERSONALLY WANT TO BE HERE WHEN YOU HAVE A BIG, SWEATY, FUNGUS BOUND FOOT SANDWHICH. OR A BIG BUFFET OF CROW.

I think the only one who will be eating crow my friend is you. YOu still have yet to provide us with the exact law. You have yet to even post the exat law and were you found it. So as the Administartor said PUT UP OR SHUT UP. I on the other hand quite truthfully think that you are full of you know what and you are just an attention seeker.
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: Administrator on February 17, 2008, 12:46:00 pm: Quote from: thejoe2k8 on February 17, 2008, 12:22:37 pm
any other chatroom site (yahoo, aol, msn) has these laws posted in their terms.
I'm really trying to find a federal law that has anything to do with online forums.
According to Wikipedia, the newest constitutional amendment was passed in 1992 and has to do with congressional salaries (it makes no mention of free speech, online forums, or anything of the sort). [Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-seventh_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution)]

Here's a link to the Terms of Service for AOL's messaging service: http://about.aol.com/aolnetwork/terms_use
And Microsoft/MSN's: http://tou.live.com/en-us/default.aspx
And Yahoo!'s: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Here's some of the Terms of Service for the largest bulletin boards (forums) on the internet:
IGN (http://corp.ign.com/user-agreement.html), FaceTheJury (http://forums.facethejury.com/forum_rules.html), Gaia Online (http://www.gaiaonline.com/info/index.php?mode=tos).

I'm asking you, in the "plain English" you seem to love so much, to please point out a single mention in any of those documents of these so-called laws regarding free speech, public/private forums, etc. Because I can't. You repeatedly claim to "like" FusionCash -- if that's the case, surely you can take a moment to save us from being shut down? Please, educate me. I'd love to know what I'm doing wrong, as its not my intention to break any laws.

If your next post fails to cite a reliable source for your so-called "federal laws", I'm giving you a 24 hour probationary ban for trolling and inciting.

Oh, and here's a link to the full text of the First Amendment (also known as the Bill of Rights): http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html

As you'll see, the only entity prohibited from restricting freedom of speech is Congress itself. A corporation is legally charged to pursue its own self-interest (i.e. profit) and nothing more or less.
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: jazzy3098 on February 17, 2008, 08:25:19 pm: Quote from: Administrator on February 17, 2008, 12:46:00 pm
Quote from: thejoe2k8 on February 17, 2008, 12:22:37 pm
any other chatroom site (yahoo, aol, msn) has these laws posted in their terms.
I'm really trying to find a federal law that has anything to do with online forums.
According to Wikipedia, the newest constitutional amendment was passed in 1992 and has to do with congressional salaries (it makes no mention of free speech, online forums, or anything of the sort). [Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-seventh_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution)]

Here's a link to the Terms of Service for AOL's messaging service: http://about.aol.com/aolnetwork/terms_use
And Microsoft/MSN's: http://tou.live.com/en-us/default.aspx
And Yahoo!'s: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Here's some of the Terms of Service for the largest bulletin boards (forums) on the internet:
IGN (http://corp.ign.com/user-agreement.html), FaceTheJury (http://forums.facethejury.com/forum_rules.html), Gaia Online (http://www.gaiaonline.com/info/index.php?mode=tos).

I'm asking you, in the "plain English" you seem to love so much, to please point out a single mention in any of those documents of these so-called laws regarding free speech, public/private forums, etc. Because I can't. You repeatedly claim to "like" FusionCash -- if that's the case, surely you can take a moment to save us from being shut down? Please, educate me. I'd love to know what I'm doing wrong, as its not my intention to break any laws.

If your next post fails to cite a reliable source for your so-called "federal laws", I'm giving you a 24 hour probationary ban for trolling and inciting.

Oh, and here's a link to the full text of the First Amendment (also known as the Bill of Rights): http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html

As you'll see, the only entity prohibited from restricting freedom of speech is Congress itself. A corporation is legally charged to pursue its own self-interest (i.e. profit) and nothing more or less.

Administrator I say let him go. I think all of us by now could tell this person is nothing but a FAKE and an ATTENTION SEAKER. I too want to see this so called law after all law runs in my family and I know how to read law. I also know how to find case law. So please let this FOOL keep going. We all know this is just his way of getting attention. Oh and by the way he has won he has gotten the attention he wanted.

Now as for this Fake and ATTENTION SEAKER why should any of us have to look for this so called law when you were the one who brought this forth to us. YOu are the one who should provide us with this so called law. You are the one who should post the law here and show us all were exactly you got it from. If this was a Political discusion by now I would say your a Liberal and part of the ACLU or that you like them. So tell us all when are you going to POST this so called law.

Oh and as far as you feeling like every one is against you. Well what do you expect when you post some thing like this with out showing us any proff of what you are talking about when you have been repeetedly asked to. Oh yah and by the way one of the links to some of the things in the forums that the administrator posted here was a link to some thing I started the is now 4 pages long and still growing.

I was upset when they took away the Manual credit and I have gotten alot of support from alot of people. Did the Administrator lock my thread? The answer is NO. He has made his point clear from time to time on my thread and we have dissagreed along with others. So as you can see there is freedome of speach here. If there wasn't do you think this discusion would still be going. Come on use your mind not your what what your sitting on. :bootyshake:
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: jlb001 on February 17, 2008, 08:42:34 pm: Quote from: thejoe2k8 on February 17, 2008, 12:22:37 pm
I TRIPLE DOG DARE YOU....[/i][/b]

:dog: :dog: :dog:

this just got serious.

i'll see your triple dogs and raise you five cats!

:cat: :cat: :cat: :cat: :cat:
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: jazzy3098 on February 17, 2008, 08:45:31 pm: Quote from: jlb001 on February 17, 2008, 08:42:34 pm
Quote from: thejoe2k8 on February 17, 2008, 12:22:37 pm
I TRIPLE DOG DARE YOU....[/i][/b]

:dog: :dog: :dog:

this just got serious.

i'll see your triple dogs and raise you five cats!

:cat: :cat: :cat: :cat: :cat:

jlb Thank you for the Laugh you always seem to make me giggle and lagh with some of your stuff. LOL ;D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: jlb001 on February 17, 2008, 08:48:11 pm: Quote from: jazzy3098 on February 17, 2008, 08:45:31 pm

jlb Thank you for the Laugh you always seem to make me giggle and lagh with some of your stuff. LOL ;D :thumbsup:

:thumbsup: :wave:
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: alissatucci on February 17, 2008, 10:38:49 pm: I've read this entire thread and two people I really like:

TheJoe2K8 and Admin.

Am I weird? haha
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: jazzy3098 on February 17, 2008, 10:51:02 pm: Quote from: alissatucci on February 17, 2008, 10:38:49 pm
I've read this entire thread and two people I really like:

TheJoe2K8 and Admin.

Am I weird? haha

Have you also been able to read the posts from those on your iggy list? I know you have 2 right now but do not know if any of them are in on this one? Oh and by the way take note I was the first one who wanted to see this so called law posted here for all of us to see. The admin since then has also taken my side and wants to see this so called law. so what about me? Lol...................
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: tragicrabbit on February 18, 2008, 12:10:04 am: Wow... I can't believe how worked up people get about stuff like this. We've got people name calling (fake, hypocrite), daring people to post the actual laws... it's ridiculous. Kohler was very polite in his responses but whoever this other Admin person is, he's not making a very good impression... kinda snotty actually...

Seems like there are more important things we could be doing with our time then ragging on someone who posted something people may not agree with. IT'S A GPT SITE! It's not like he's bad mouthing your mother... :binkybaby:
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: jlb001 on February 18, 2008, 12:42:02 am: Quote from: tragicrabbit on February 18, 2008, 12:10:04 am
Wow... I can't believe how worked up people get about stuff like this. We've got people name calling (fake, hypocrite), daring people to post the actual laws... it's ridiculous. Kohler was very polite in his responses but whoever this other Admin person is, he's not making a very good impression... kinda snotty actually...

Seems like there are more important things we could be doing with our time then ragging on someone who posted something people may not agree with. IT'S A GPT SITE! It's not like he's bad mouthing your mother... :binkybaby:

ok.

first....
***We've got people name calling ***

then....
this other Admin person is,.... kinda snotty actually...

the word for the day, my friend, is ... congruency.

without it, you just contradict yourself.

;D :thumbsup: :cat:
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: Administrator on February 18, 2008, 03:20:19 am: My apologies if I came off as snotty - clearly thejoe was just trolling and I rose to it. I feel the need to respond when someone accuses FusionCash of breaking the law, as we strive to comply with both the letter and the spirit of all applicable laws, state and federal. Not to mention that he was disseminating complete nonsense. Regardless, I'm taking his silence as admission that he has no grounds for his accusations. Note that he has posted in another thread (https://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=1899.msg18398#msg18398) since I asked him to post a verifiable source to back up his allegations.
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: Kohler on February 18, 2008, 06:13:46 am: Clearly Admin gets defensive when someone brings up false accusations against HIS company. I knew he was going to come in behind me and lay down the law, so I was trying to defuse thejoe before that happened, but he kept on. As most people noticed he did this soley for attention and create some sort of drama, also known as a troll.

Wikipedia: An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

And since we do not have a "no trolling" clause in our forum Terms of Service, I can not ban him for trying to get a rise out of everyone. But now since this has occurred, I will be adding a "no troll" clause so the next time someone like this trolls they will just be banned on the spot.

And to the user who said he wasn't bad mouthing his mother.....he wasn't....he was bad mouthing his baby, which is worse.
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: LendaL on February 18, 2008, 06:49:29 am: Quote from: tragicrabbit on February 18, 2008, 12:10:04 am
Wow... I can't believe how worked up people get about stuff like this. We've got people name calling (fake, hypocrite), daring people to post the actual laws... it's ridiculous. Kohler was very polite in his responses but whoever this other Admin person is, he's not making a very good impression... kinda snotty actually...

Seems like there are more important things we could be doing with our time then ragging on someone who posted something people may not agree with. IT'S A GPT SITE! It's not like he's bad mouthing your mother... :binkybaby:

I agree with you 100%...i guess we all have bad days, and FC did give us an ignore button for a reason.... i honestly think if there werent such horrific instigators...this woulda died down on the first page...
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: alissatucci on February 18, 2008, 09:34:26 am: Quote from: jazzy3098 on February 17, 2008, 10:51:02 pm
Quote from: alissatucci on February 17, 2008, 10:38:49 pm
I've read this entire thread and two people I really like:

TheJoe2K8 and Admin.

Am I weird? haha

Have you also been able to read the posts from those on your iggy list? I know you have 2 right now but do not know if any of them are in on this one? Oh and by the way take note I was the first one who wanted to see this so called law posted here for all of us to see. The admin since then has also taken my side and wants to see this so called law. so what about me? Lol...................

No one on my ignore list posted in this thread. I have noticed that I cannot see their posts. When they DO post, that is. Neither of them are regulars here.
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: Madd4Money on February 18, 2008, 05:17:37 pm: Quote from: Kohler on February 18, 2008, 06:13:46 am

And to the user who said he wasn't bad mouthing his mother.....he wasn't....he was bad mouthing his baby, which is worse.

Here Here Kohler!!!!

Every so often a thread like this one rears its ugly head to give the Members something to set their sites on. It seems that the OPs of these posts do it and just sit back and watch the Members go at it - defending FC.

FC has been here going on 3 years, don't think its going anywhere. However, I do understand Members jumping to its defense. FC was my first GPT site and although I have found other resources for online money making, I still come back to the Forum. I still refer people to FC as I feel it is a very user friendly site and very easy for new people to make money here, so I too will defend it....but not when someone doesn't even have a legitimate complaint.

If FC were in any jeopardy of breaking any laws, I really don't think they would be around as long as they have been. Although Admin is not often seen around the Forums I am sure he is up to date on all the comings and goings on that happen - either here or on other Forums. As has been stated before, the owners of GPT sites are usually still or were, at one time, members of other GPT sites, and I'm sure Admin keeps his toes wet on other sites so that he is always aware of what's going on.

And if anyone wants to put me in the category of an FC groupie....that's fine with me. I don't feel helping people with questions and giving them a person to go to for help to get them on their way, makes a person a "groupie" but if that is the definition that is being implied - then I guess I am one - and I don't mind. :) I do it in my career - so its just part of me to help others get along.

FC has treated me well and I will return the favor by referring them and defending them when the appropriate situation arises. :thumbsup: I just prefer to choose my fights wisely..... and this one didn't hold any merit. :wave:

FC ROCKS LONG LIVE FC FC ROCKS LONG LIVE FC FC ROCKS LONG LIVE FC FC ROCKS
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: jazzy3098 on February 18, 2008, 06:10:49 pm: Quote from: Madd4Money on February 18, 2008, 05:17:37 pm
Quote from: Kohler on February 18, 2008, 06:13:46 am

And to the user who said he wasn't bad mouthing his mother.....he wasn't....he was bad mouthing his baby, which is worse.

I just prefer to choose my fights wisely..... and this one didn't hold any merit.

This is so true it as I have been saying all along and that is why I kept asking that person to post the exact law he was talking about and were exactly he got it from. However as we can all se he wasn't for real and all this was about getting some attention. What an :bootyshake:
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: LendaL on February 18, 2008, 06:25:32 pm: Quote from: jazzy3098 on February 18, 2008, 06:10:49 pm
Quote from: Madd4Money on February 18, 2008, 05:17:37 pm
Quote from: Kohler on February 18, 2008, 06:13:46 am

And to the user who said he wasn't bad mouthing his mother.....he wasn't....he was bad mouthing his baby, which is worse.

I just prefer to choose my fights wisely..... and this one didn't hold any merit.

This is so true it as I have been saying all along and that is why I kept asking that person to post the exact law he was talking about and were exactly he got it from. However as we can all se he wasn't for real and all this was about getting some attention. What an :bootyshake:

Not tryin to be funny, but dude you kept this drama goin on far longer then it needed to go..FC can defend itself...and when KOHLER spoke up...nobody else needed to say poop..it needs no groupies or any other attention seeker..(which is what a groupie is also)...these site owners didnt ask nor need for the peanut gallery to step in for them....men as a rule, dont get riled up behind such foolishness...but so be it...guess it wasnt a :cat: fight..but a dog fight..
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: jlb001 on February 18, 2008, 09:12:25 pm: Quote from: LendaL on February 18, 2008, 06:25:32 pm
...guess it wasnt a :cat: fight..but a dog fight..

huh? :cat:
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: LendaL on February 18, 2008, 09:19:36 pm: oh um sorry jlb...i have nothing against kitties...nothing at all...ur kitty seems to be quite amused...as am i...
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: jlb001 on February 18, 2008, 09:41:06 pm: Quote from: LendaL on February 18, 2008, 09:19:36 pm
oh um sorry jlb...i have nothing against kitties...nothing at all...ur kitty seems to be quite amused...as am i...

;D
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: froggyjoe on February 18, 2008, 09:54:15 pm: lol jlb I really believe you get more comments on your pic then anyone elses pics on here lol. to me thats a good thing :) I like it personally cracks me up lol.
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: jlb001 on February 18, 2008, 10:02:19 pm: Quote from: froggyjoe on February 18, 2008, 09:54:15 pm
lol jlb I really believe you get more comments on your pic then anyone elses pics on here lol. to me thats a good thing :) I like it personally cracks me up lol.

through the years, i've used a number of avatars.... mostly cat ones.... this is one of my all time favorites.
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: jazzy3098 on February 18, 2008, 10:09:21 pm: Quote from: jlb001 on February 18, 2008, 10:02:19 pm
Quote from: froggyjoe on February 18, 2008, 09:54:15 pm
lol jlb I really believe you get more comments on your pic then anyone elses pics on here lol. to me thats a good thing :) I like it personally cracks me up lol.

through the years, i've used a number of avatars.... mostly cat ones.... this is one of my all time favorites.

Hay wait I have or use to have the all american Cat. LOL

(http://b2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00332/29/87/332917892_l.jpg)
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: froggyjoe on February 18, 2008, 10:16:12 pm: I can see why jlb its a classic.. :wave: oh and ty for saying happy birthday to me :)
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: froggyjoe on February 18, 2008, 10:17:59 pm: why yes, yes it is jazzy your right you do have An all out purified 100percent American kitty and he has proof lmao ..
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: jazzy3098 on February 18, 2008, 10:36:02 pm: Quote from: froggyjoe on February 18, 2008, 10:17:59 pm
why yes, yes it is jazzy your right you do have An all out purified 100percent American kitty and he has proof lmao ..

I use to have that all american cat. I lost that cat to what use to be a family friend. But now I have 2 new kittens as you can see in the 2nd pic.

(http://b2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00332/29/87/332917892_l.jpg)
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: jlb001 on February 19, 2008, 12:47:05 am: Quote from: jazzy3098 on February 18, 2008, 10:09:21 pm
Hay wait I have or use to have the all american Cat. LOL

i salute that meower.

:cat:
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: thejoe2k8 on February 19, 2008, 09:24:02 am: First thing is first. I'm being threatened with a ban for TROLLING AND INCITING, lol. Don't make me laugh. How can I troll when I'm the one that created this thread. I can name two members that have trolled this thread with reckless intent to start an argument. That is the definition to online trolling. If I had looked up every thread where someone said something that I didn't like and posted a reply to it that upset several people, which I haven't, I chose to create my own thread. Then you could say I was trolling. As far as inciting... What did I incite? The fact that everyone has their own mind to speak up whenever they feel they're done wrong without penalty? I'm not the one attacking other members for no reason at all. The backlash that I have gotten is undeserved and quite disturbing knowing that so many people lack class by third grade name calling (the "my dad can beat up your dad" syndrome), and let me speak my piece without being called an idiot for it. There's a few people that I've probably upset, but they chose to not say anything, because they're classy people and don't believe in making something out of nothing.

Another thing, I never said that this was a NEW law, if I did then I apologize. It's more of a modification expanding into the internet world. There is an ACT, but I'll have to look up the complaint that I got from one of my forums when in fact I was breaking laws by telling people what they could or could not say. For one thing, you don't look on wikipedia to find anything. Because you can edit wiki yourself anytime you want to. Here you go...

***Anyone and everyone has the right to post here as long as they know that all online chat rooms and public forums must adhere to all federal laws pertaining to constitutional rights set forth in our government. Do not use this site for anything unlawful and/or illegal. If it is found that you used this site for anything of this nature, it will be delt with accordingly to the highest extent of the law. Please do not post anything regarding religion, politics, sexual, or racial. We have forums designed for religious and political views. IF someone doesn't like what is said in these forums, there is a debate forum set up as well, but keep it constructive and not offensive. Discrimination is NOT tolerated. Discrimination is, but not limited to; saying things about ones race, sexual practice, and religious/political views. Keep personal and negative remarks about ones family out. It is our intent to maintain a clean environment for our children who surf the web, so please keep swearing and cursing to a minimum. Please use this forum with good intent. We're all people here and we all have feelings and the freedom of opinion. If things get out of hand and it appears that a thread becomes a personal mission to force ones belief on another person, then the thread will be locked and any other thread created to further advance the argument will be deleted and the creator will be warned. This is a no tolerance zone regarding personal or impersonal threats. Anyone making a verbal and/or physical threat will be banned for life and their IP address will be banned as well. Depending on the severity of the threat and the person(s) who the threats were made against, may have the right to prosecute. Which in that case we will cooperate to the fullest extent and turn over any information leading to an arrest and/or any legal action taken. In other words, please play nice and only use this site for constructive thinking and expression.***

There's part of my terms on one of my forums. There's more in it as well. Would you like that to be posted as well? If there wasn't a law pertaining to online actions then so many people wouldn't be getting in trouble, my forum wouldn't have almost gotten shut down, and I wouldn't have gone through the trouble to even bring all this b.s. up. It is the law that gives us free speech and nobody has the right to threaten a ban because they don't like what someone says. FC TOS states, you can't say anything about an advertiser unless they say it out of anger. That one still draws a question mark in my mind. So, I say if you ban me for "TROLLING AND INCITING" you have to ban the couple of others that have posted their negative opinions for the same thing.

To whoever it was who stated that I posted this for attention. If anyone was out for attention, it was you my friend. You could've ignored it and let it go, but instead you chose to reply time and time again about something that you had no business to reply to (trolling) whenever I never addressed you or anybody for that matter other than the moderators and administration, which all they had to do was send me a personal message and ask what I was talking about. Instead they kept it going knowing it would draw the remarks that it did (inciting).

Also, I have seven family members who are preachers, four who are salespeople, two that are school teachers, and a partridge in a pear tree. What does that make me? Me. A self employed internet broker. Nothing more. And yes, I fell for one of these work at home sites that promise to make you money for a small fee. Guess what? I'm not making the $12,000 a month as they stated, but I am making about a quarter of that. If you're nice I might consider posting the link (not a referral link either). But the way I've been treated, I highly doubt that I will. Those that have remained neutral though are still favorable. Despite what everyone thinks, I posted this out of genuine concern and several of you have replied out of ignorence. So be it.

All I have to say is if you ban me then you have to ban the other few that have started the flame war.
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: jlb001 on February 19, 2008, 09:51:56 am: blah, blah, blah blah blah.

hey, thejoe2k8 ...

i dont have any friends either.

lets be pals.

not because i think youre right, and not because i care...... just because a person with no friends is a sad thing.

:thumbsup:

your buddy,
JLB
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: Kohler on February 19, 2008, 09:57:50 am: You post openly, but expect us to PM you our response? I will let the Admin of the site handle this latest post, since he is the one who owns and operates the site. No one else please respond to this message, since thejoe is feeling attacked, only moderators, admins, and thejoe may now post in this thread, any one not obeying these rules will be subject to a small time out.
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: thejoe2k8 on February 19, 2008, 11:11:58 am: Sarcasm noted Kohler, lol. It doesn't matter to me who posts on this thread. The majority of those who have, have proved their ignorence of the situation. It just doesn't seem to register in the brains of those who have spoke out against this subject.

If anyone has a difference in opinion; that's fine. You're entitled to that. I, unlike alot of you, don't persecute those who don't share my opinion. All I did was state freedom of speech. There's a phrase called, We're all adults here. So, why not act like an adult? Pretty simple actually.

Kohler, the point I was trying to make is that everyone has the right to say what they want to say without the fear of being banned. Everything that was said in the posts that I am referring to were stated in a decent manner and concern and they were threatened with a ban, considering what they stated was according to the terms and conditions that you so proudly boast. They didn't even take an angered approach towards the advertisers, which is evidently preferred instead of a constructive opinion of the company. According to your terms of service you would rather have your advertisers to be referred as rip offs and scammers instead of nicely saying, "I can't get anything useful out of this service." If this is a wrong assessment, then prove me wrong, because that's more or less what you're implying.

It was your stern reply to the thread that has more or less started a flame war about something as simple as the constitution and what it prohibits. Whether it be in person or internet. We are protected by this and if we want to say, "I'm unhappy with the service I got from this offer." Then we have that right to say it. Everyone else in the "clique" can say whatever they want just as long as they take the "plant lips right here" attitude to feed an internet social ego hunger that seems to rearing its ugly head in each reply that pops up on here.

We are customers and we deserve to get the service that we pay for by clicking on these offers listed. If we don't get the service we pay for. If we want to CANCEL on that basis, then WE have that right to discuss if anyone else is having these problems with that same service and WE HAVE THAT RIGHT to CANCEL said service and there's nothing anyone, including administration or advertisers can do about it. Instead, what do we get? "Say that again and you'll be banned. This is your final warning." This is, my friend, a violation of everyones God given and governmental rights. Take you Hitler-esque approach all you want to. Because, regardless of being in an internet community or not, it's called free speech.

As far as the person goes stating that I have no friends. The answer is, I've got plenty of friends; too many to consider you, but I'll keep your application on file. Because frankly all of my friends draw their own opinions and don't do it because they think they'll make money off of it and they definately don't do it to kiss anybody's tail. Not that having online "friends" is a bad thing, but I prefer to keep my relationships to a more personal level. And as far as being fake, I'm as real as they come and don't hide behind a screen name to say how I feel. I'm the same online as I am offline.
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: Administrator on February 19, 2008, 11:33:34 am: At this point I'm just waiting to see this "act". I am sorry if someone managed to scare you with legalese, but a snippet from your own forum ToS is simply self-citing and proves absolutely nothing.

Like any serious online business, we own our servers and lease physical space, power, and bandwidth/IPs directly from a tier one colocation facility. Who, by the way, wouldn't even flinch before tossing a "free speech" complaint in the recycle bin.
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: jazzy3098 on February 19, 2008, 03:58:06 pm: Kohler I know you said if any one replies to this other then the Admins you would give a small time out to them. I do not wish to get a small time out but I am wondering when and if this person is ever going to post the exact law he is talking about and were exactly he got it from. I know I have been asking for him to do it you have been asking for him to do it the administrator has been asking for him to do it. How much longer should we wait and let this BS go on before we are educated by this person?
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: Kohler on February 19, 2008, 04:30:55 pm: I was going to give him a couple of days, to see what, if anything, he comes up with. After that, the post will be locked.
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: jazzy3098 on February 19, 2008, 04:50:27 pm: Quote from: Kohler on February 19, 2008, 04:30:55 pm
I was going to give him a couple of days, to see what, if anything, he comes up with. After that, the post will be locked.

Kohler I did a little research and this is sofoar what I have come up with.

INTERNET LAW - LIABILITY OF WEBSITES HOSTING INTERACTIVE FORUMS IN FRANCE
Alain Megias, IBLS

In two recent cases, French Courts have held owners of websites hosting interactive forums responsible for the illegal content of messages posted on these forums, whereas the authors of these messages have not even been sued. Certain existing legal provisions could provide these websites with more legal security, but Courts are not quite sure that these provision apply. Courts therefore apply diverse legal theories, which lead to certain legal confusion. http://www.ibls.com/internet_law_news_portal_view.aspx?s=articles&id=EDFFD636-48E0-43D8-9753-776A7203F0E6 I do not think this is what this person is talking about but just some thing to look at. LOL As you know I have said law runs in my family and no one has even heard of this. Heck I can't even find any thing on any of the leagal sites I belong to along with the lawers in my family.
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: Administrator on February 20, 2008, 07:08:55 am: It's french and has nothing to do with censorship, but rather with the hosting of illegal materials (which we do not do). I appreciate you taking the time to look, but as has been said: there is no such "act" or "amendment" in existence.
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: criesenbeck on February 20, 2008, 02:18:57 pm: :thumbsup: ;) BRAVO !!!

Well said!!
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: tragicrabbit on February 22, 2008, 03:36:33 pm: Quote from: Kohler on February 18, 2008, 06:13:46 am
And to the user who said he wasn't bad mouthing his mother.....he wasn't....he was bad mouthing his baby, which is worse.

LOL... that actually wasn't directed at the Admin.
Title: Re: Freedom of Speech
Post by: ace0vspades on February 22, 2008, 04:13:21 pm: This isn’t a democracy, it’s a cheerocracy! and I'm the cheertator!