Did you all know that SCIENTISTS have proved that there is a section of the brain that is not available for use to anyone who does not believe in God. It is only used when God is showing an individual an awesome secret. Many scientists have become Christians when they had planned to devote their entire lives to prove there was no God. In trying to prove this, they found out instead that there is a God. Amen! 8):thumbsup:
Did you all know that SCIENTISTS have proved that there is a section of the brain that is not available for use to anyone who does not believe in God. It is only used when God is showing an individual an awesome secret. Many scientists have become Christians when they had planned to devote their entire lives to prove there was no God. In trying to prove this, they found out instead that there is a God. Amen! 8)
It is called the God Center.
That seems to be the way it is on the forums and in life...Yeah, if you believe in God, you're not intelligent...so just die...hahaha well maybe atheists don't want you to die but they will have fun making fun of you. :wave:Okay let me stop you there,, retard? Really? How rude and selfish of you.
I don't like anyone using the word "retard", period. Retarded people often have more intelligence than so-called "smart" or so-called "normal" people. To use the word "retard" as a put down just isn't right. Come to think of it, put downs are unnecessary at any age.
I don't like anyone using the word "retard", period. Retarded people often have more intelligence than so-called "smart" or so-called "normal" people. To use the word "retard" as a put down just isn't right. Come to think of it, put downs are unnecessary at any age.
I believe in God, and get called unintelligent all the time on this forum by atheists or people that don't share my beliefs.
Let me rephrase that so it might make sense to you...I don't like anyone using the word "retard", period. Retarded people often have more intelligence than so-called "smart" or so-called "normal" people. To use the word "retard" as a put down just isn't right. Come to think of it, put downs are unnecessary at any age.
I applaud you for not liking the use of the word. It is offensive. However the portion of the quote I've highlighted is simply not true.
Your use of the word often makes it not true.
What do you mean "what happened" (*spelling) to it? Does something happen to your banner if it gets "too high"?Let me rephrase that so it might make sense to you...I don't like anyone using the word "retard", period. Retarded people often have more intelligence than so-called "smart" or so-called "normal" people. To use the word "retard" as a put down just isn't right. Come to think of it, put downs are unnecessary at any age.
I applaud you for not liking the use of the word. It is offensive. However the portion of the quote I've highlighted is simply not true.
Your use of the word often makes it not true.
"People who are classified as mentally retarded often stimulate my mind more than so-called "smart" people." :thumbsup:
What happend to your earnings banner? Did it get too high?
Most people that have an earnings banner that high in that short amount of time get kicked off Fusion Cash because of fraud.
QuoteMost people that have an earnings banner that high in that short amount of time get kicked off Fusion Cash because of fraud.
Hehe, you talking about fraud, that's funny. Have you ever seen the number of referrals missijl has? I have and it's amazing! 8)
Nope can't say I have. I wasn't aware people could hack into your account either.
all I can say is you better not be wrong, because if you are, you will spend eternity in hell.
If you believe in God, You're a retard
That seems to be the way it is on the forums and in life...Yeah, if you believe in God, you're not intelligent...so just die...hahaha well maybe atheists don't want you to die but they will have fun making fun of you.
Well i'm a retard, because I believe in something greater than myself, and you are arrogant to assume that just because someone does, that they are stupid- what do you beleive in?. you want to bow the the altar of science, then go ahead, but all I can say is you better not be wrong, because if you are, you will spend eternity in hell.
Did you all know that SCIENTISTS have proved that there is a section of the brain that is not available for use to anyone who does not believe in God. It is only used when God is showing an individual an awesome secret. Many scientists have become Christians when they had planned to devote their entire lives to prove there was no God. In trying to prove this, they found out instead that there is a God.
I wonder if they ever know what they are saying?
One thing to remember when debating if there is a God or not, is neither side can prove anything.
So that is why I am done with the religious debates...they ran their course..
One thing to remember when debating if there is a God or not, is neither side can prove anything.
So that is why I am done with the religious debates...they ran their course..
No one cares, Troll!
Don't worry, I did.Naw I'm not spamming, I'm warning people that don't know you that before they start trying to prove a point to you you are just going to back out halfway through or start with sensless ramblings and say youre done debating it. you said that then posted TEN new threads about religion.
Warn them when they start speaking to me and quit spamming posts and every single thread.
I notice that both athiests and religious people can get terribly militant.
As long as no harm is being done, let's live and let live.
Just for the record, I believe in a power greater than myself.
As long as no harm is being done, let's live and let live.
There IS harm being done on the religious side -- maybe not extremes by people on this forum specifically, but by being a member of the club, moderate believers are still encouraging the negative mindset and/or contributing financially/politically to the vile activities that stem from it.
What kind of harm is being done if someone hears the Gospel "message," and decides to accept that message?
when he/she dies one day, he/she goes to Heaven to be with God (if you can please look at the possibility of Heaven for just a minute.) There is no harm in that whatsoever. Those people just have reassurance where they are going when they die.
The only harm then, is to the one who does not accept the "message" and goes to hell.
Once again, should that really matter to you either since you are secure in what you feel or know?
I'm sorry, but you are going too far in a direction that doesn't coincide with your normal Christians living day to day. If you choose to stand by that, then remember atheists and non-christians do the same type of things. Don't put this all off on "moderate" Christians.What kind of harm is being done if someone hears the Gospel "message," and decides to accept that message?
Okay first of all, I'm going to assume you mean, "What's the harm of a MODERATE Christian?" And there's plenty.
The #1 greatest harm of being just a "moderate" Christian is: you're still a member of a club where some people do horrible things under the cover of the same beliefs that you share. The more people that are in the club, the more encouragement is given to the mindset that makes some people feel justified murdering gays, tormenting a woman who got an abortion to the point of suicide, voting against civil rights, miring our children's educational system, etc.
Now you might say, "Oh, guilt by association isn't fair", and when it comes to something you can't choose (like being black), then yes it is. But you can CHOOSE to be a Christian, and it takes CHRISTIANS for Christianity to exist. You may not be the one bombing abortion clinics, but something you unknowingly said to a neighbor in Christ might have encouraged THEM to.
Again you might say, "Well THOSE Christians are crazy", forgetting that your Bible adamantly speaks out against homosexuals for example, even commanding that they be put to death. Straight from the mouth of "god" himself. Bring to light that it wasn't "god" who came up with such prejudiced brutality but instead primitive man, and people no longer have an excuse to commit such atrocious acts. Because let's face it -- some people actually DO take the Bible literally, and they only think they're serving the lord by carrying out his **quite explicit** death orders.
The #2 greatest harm even for a "moderate" believer is: once they've allowed magical, impossible, woo-woo thinking to infiltrate their brain, they're going to be more susceptible to other B.S. throughout their life. This includes - on the small-scale - of falling for scams, to the greater dangers of putting too much trust in a pastor that says donate $100 and god will fix all of their debt problems.Like I said, these kinds of things also happen to atheist and non-christian groups who all of a sudden called "by God" to do these things. Or not called by God and do these things. Those are highly publicized cases you are speaking of and does not get any support from the millions of Christians who are truly involved in their own personal relationship with God. I am not part of that ridiculous group and it's a shame they use God that way.
Another example is let's say a believer is held up in an alley and a voice inside their head - that they think is god - says, "You don't have to give him the money. Tell him about Christ, and you'll be okay." And so you say that and guess what happens? Your husband beside you gets shot directly because you thought "god" was going to get you out of this mess. Don't tell me that something like this couldn't happen, because I've been a Christian and I know the mindset, and it most certainly does!
when he/she dies one day, he/she goes to Heaven to be with God (if you can please look at the possibility of Heaven for just a minute.) There is no harm in that whatsoever. Those people just have reassurance where they are going when they die.
The #3 greatest harm deals with this. Has life after death been proven? No, not even in the slightest. When y'all think of a "soul", most of the time you're referring to your personality, but guess what? Personality is located 100% in the brain. This has been proven by science. Your brain is physical just like the rest of your body, so if you can admit your body dies and withers away, why wouldn't your brain which contains your personality (being a physical part of your body) die too?
You're believing in this magical occurrence of somehow your personality will float into another dimension where you'll receive a new body with special "soul senses" (remember, you need the physical senses of sight, touch, smell, etc. AND a brain to interpret it all to be able to perceive your surroundings AT ALL). How does that not sound ridiculous to people?!
But anyway, back to the harm...so you are having people convince themselves of a lie just because they're sad about death. They may, in turn, take their one and only life for granted if they think the "real" life starts after they die. It is a death cult: don't worry too much about living *this* life to the fullest, because it is just the doormat you wipe your feet on before entering eternity (of which we have no proof of). If someone dies in a car wreck and has their soul - er, brain - splattered all over the highway, instead of remembering them and actually grieving, we can forget about them over a weekend simply because we say they're in magical Happy Land.QuoteThe only harm then, is to the one who does not accept the "message" and goes to hell.
Being in the worst pain imaginable on end, FOREVER? Wow, that's it??
It's clear from you and Sherna's nonchalant talk of hell that you two really haven't thought about it. Too blinded by the fantasy of heaven to care, for sure.QuoteOnce again, should that really matter to you either since you are secure in what you feel or know?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbMcthUZGW8
I'm sorry, but you are going too far in a direction that doesn't coincide with your normal Christians living day to day.
If you choose to stand by that, then remember atheists and non-christians do the same type of things. Don't put this all off on "moderate" Christians.
these kinds of things also happen to atheist and non-christian groups who all of a sudden called "by God" to do these things.
Those are highly publicized cases you are speaking of
I'm sorry, but you are going too far in a direction that doesn't coincide with your normal Christians living day to day.
You're missing the point. It's like being a member of the *bleep* party and saying, "Well, I'm not a 'bad' *bleep*. I'm not the one gassing Jews and stuff." Do you see the problem here??QuoteIf you choose to stand by that, then remember atheists and non-christians do the same type of things. Don't put this all off on "moderate" Christians.
Oh really? In America, only 16% of the population is atheist and/or non-religious. 72% is Christian. So where are all of these "atheists doing bad things" that you speak of?
While it's true there are some atheists who hate gays, are pro-life, and whatever else is in common with a god believer, we rarely hear about it because compared to the religious, there are FAR fewer non-believers that hold these "values".
Once again, you are giving extreme cases that are not connected with the majority, normal Christians. I would be glad to find examples of non-christians or atheists and turn it back on you. But that's not the purpose here. People make their own choices (when murdering, raping, etc.) whether or not they are Christians, nons, atheists, etc. MY religious ideas (and my family/friends/etc.) are not affecting the world at large as you say, other than to offer them the way to Christ. If they don't want Him, fine, their choice.these kinds of things also happen to atheist and non-christian groups who all of a sudden called "by God" to do these things.
This sentence doesn't make sense. How can an atheist be called "by god" to do something bad?QuoteThose are highly publicized cases you are speaking of
What does it matter if it was on the news or not? Plenty of atrocities as the result of religion never make the news. I think the fact that something like raping little boys is going on AT ALL because of religion is cause for concern. Don't brush it off as, "Oh, I'm a civilzed Christian. The believers that do bad things aren't really believers." You have to take a look at how your religious ideas are affecting the world at large.
Want to argue that it's not religion that's the problem? In the case of priests raping little boys, consider that they are in a religion that expects them to be celibate, says sex is a disgrace except within the confines of marriage, abhors homosexuality, etc. Think about all of that repressed sexual tension...
You know if only black people believed in God, what you are doing would be considered racist and predjudice! Shoot, just for me saying this will be considered racist and predjudice... :sad1:
Priests don't rape those children because of their religion...
To me, you simply sound as if you are totally against Christians, no matter how many law-abiding, good moral ones that there are.
People make their own choices (when murdering, raping, etc.) whether or not they are Christians, nons, atheists, etc.
There are WAY more rapists that aren't priests than that are hahaPriests don't rape those children because of their religion...
Why is there such a high concentration of pedophiles in that position then?
Again, they MEAN well by trying to serve their god, but reality gets the best of them because prayer doesn't work.
There are WAY more rapists that aren't priests than that are haha
You know if only black people believed in God, what you are doing would be considered racist and predjudice! Shoot, just for me saying this will be considered racist and predjudice... :sad1:
Priests don't rape those children because of their religion...if that was the case all rapists would be that religion.
Want to argue that it's not religion that's the problem? In the case of priests raping little boys, consider that they are in a religion that expects them to be celibate, says sex is a disgrace except within the confines of marriage, abhors homosexuality, etc. Think about all of that repressed sexual tension...
There are WAY more rapists that aren't priests than that are haha
There are also way more rapists that are Christians than that aren't...
QuoteThere are WAY more rapists that aren't priests than that are haha
I don't know how this really fits in correctly. They're still pedos in a high authoritative position. If one is to respect ones beliefs, the 'leaders' pushing those beliefs shouldn't be going around *bleep* children. Notice how when one says "Catholic Priest" nowadays, the word "pedophile" immediatly enters ones head.
There are also way more rapists that are Christians than that aren't...
That's what I was trying to say to jcribb: believers make up the majority of the population. So statistically, there's more people who are believers who will commit the bad stuff...and they often think they have a free pass to do so with the god card.
The point im making is anyone can claim to be a Christian and to serve God, but that doesn't mean they do. However, that doesn't make the religion bad. When followed correctly it's wonderful. It just means the PEOPLE made bad choices, the religion didn't make that decision for them...especially when the religion is against rape.There are also way more rapists that are Christians than that aren't...That's what I was trying to say to jcribb: believers make up the majority of the population. So statistically, there's more people who are believers who will commit the bad stuff...and they often think they have a free pass to do so with the god card.
you have a feeling that you shouldn't go to a certain place, you have a bad feeling, but you choose to go anyway
Quoteyou have a feeling that you shouldn't go to a certain place, you have a bad feeling, but you choose to go anywayI have this happen to me on a fairly regular basis, always have, but I do NOT attribute it to 'god warning me'. It is instinct, a highly acute sense of myself and my surroundings that I have developed over the years and, in some cases, a memory of a prior experience with something or someone I cannot quite put my finger on. It is how and why our brains work the way they do ie to help us survive. It is no different really than an animal that has had a close encounter with a predator and at some point later on is in that same situation/surroundings, senses that something is not right, but continues in their action. Sometimes they escape in one piece, sometimes they are injured, and at times they become dinner. That is a very simplified breakdown, but I think it gets my point across.
A good example...the moment I laid eyes on the man that raped me, I wanted to run in the other direction as fast as possible, but I didn't. If that was g-d telling me to leave, then why didn't g-d remove me from the situation instead of trying to do some psychic mumbo jumbo on me?
Quoteyou have a feeling that you shouldn't go to a certain place, you have a bad feeling, but you choose to go anywayI have this happen to me on a fairly regular basis, always have, but I do NOT attribute it to 'god warning me'. It is instinct, a highly acute sense of myself and my surroundings that I have developed over the years and, in some cases, a memory of a prior experience with something or someone I cannot quite put my finger on. It is how and why our brains work the way they do ie to help us survive. It is no different really than an animal that has had a close encounter with a predator and at some point later on is in that same situation/surroundings, senses that something is not right, but continues in their action. Sometimes they escape in one piece, sometimes they are injured, and at times they become dinner. That is a very simplified breakdown, but I think it gets my point across.
I think you said it well, Jordandog.
A good example...the moment I laid eyes on the man that raped me, I wanted to run in the other direction as fast as possible, but I didn't. If that was g-d telling me to leave, then why didn't g-d remove me from the situation instead of trying to do some psychic mumbo jumbo on me?
Quoteyou have a feeling that you shouldn't go to a certain place, you have a bad feeling, but you choose to go anywayI have this happen to me on a fairly regular basis, always have, but I do NOT attribute it to 'god warning me'. It is instinct, a highly acute sense of myself and my surroundings that I have developed over the years and, in some cases, a memory of a prior experience with something or someone I cannot quite put my finger on. It is how and why our brains work the way they do ie to help us survive. It is no different really than an animal that has had a close encounter with a predator and at some point later on is in that same situation/surroundings, senses that something is not right, but continues in their action. Sometimes they escape in one piece, sometimes they are injured, and at times they become dinner. That is a very simplified breakdown, but I think it gets my point across.
I think you said it well, Jordandog.
A good example...the moment I laid eyes on the man that raped me, I wanted to run in the other direction as fast as possible, but I didn't. If that was g-d telling me to leave, then why didn't g-d remove me from the situation instead of trying to do some psychic mumbo jumbo on me?
One of the core concepts of Christianity is that God leaves us with the decision...starts back with Adam and Eve having the choice to take Satan's bait or not to...
Actually, there are many different religions and sects that say they are believers, such as Buddhists, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Islam, and on and on, just to name a few. Put those all together and yes, they would make up the majority of the population. If you are going to accuse believers of committing most of the bad stuff, then you should sort through all of the religions, break them down, and then give a statistic of who does what. Not surprisingly, you may find only particular groups of religious sects have committed most of the bad stuff. I would question them, then, and ask them just who it is they actually believe in, to do those awful things to others. It's not right to just lump all these religions/sects into one big group, when we all don't believe the same way or in the same god.There are also way more rapists that are Christians than that aren't...
That's what I was trying to say to jcribb: believers make up the majority of the population. So statistically, there's more people who are believers who will commit the bad stuff...and they often think they have a free pass to do so with the god card.
Actually, there are many different religions and sects that say they are believers, such as Buddhists, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Islam, and on and on, just to name a few. Put those all together and yes, they would make up the majority of the population. If you are going to accuse believers of committing most of the bad stuff, then you should sort through all of the religions, break them down, and then give a statistic of who does what. Not surprisingly, you may find only particular groups of religious sects have committed most of the bad stuff.
Wierd place to jump in (haven't looked over the whole thread) but I think God made a group of people - not just two - and i think that adam and eve is a metaphorical lesson for the creation of man
Actually, there are many different religions and sects that say they are believers, such as Buddhists, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Islam, and on and on, just to name a few. Put those all together and yes, they would make up the majority of the population. If you are going to accuse believers of committing most of the bad stuff, then you should sort through all of the religions, break them down, and then give a statistic of who does what. Not surprisingly, you may find only particular groups of religious sects have committed most of the bad stuff.
Buddhists don't believe in god. ;)
OF COURSE Islam is currently worse than Christianity, but need I remind everyone that's only because Christianity was dragged kicking and screaming into secular enlightenment. Christianity has the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Salem Witch Trials, murdering the Native Americans, wars, burning people at the stake, outlawing scientific progress, the promotion of slavery, etc. all to its name!
So just because the religion has become a bit more civilized does NOT mean the potential is not still there to be as bad as it used to be. And there's still plenty of bad going on because of it even today...do I really need to go over the specifics again?
Quoteyou have a feeling that you shouldn't go to a certain place, you have a bad feeling, but you choose to go anywayI have this happen to me on a fairly regular basis, always have, but I do NOT attribute it to 'god warning me'. It is instinct, a highly acute sense of myself and my surroundings that I have developed over the years and, in some cases, a memory of a prior experience with something or someone I cannot quite put my finger on. It is how and why our brains work the way they do ie to help us survive. It is no different really than an animal that has had a close encounter with a predator and at some point later on is in that same situation/surroundings, senses that something is not right, but continues in their action. Sometimes they escape in one piece, sometimes they are injured, and at times they become dinner. That is a very simplified breakdown, but I think it gets my point across.
I think you said it well, Jordandog.
A good example...the moment I laid eyes on the man that raped me, I wanted to run in the other direction as fast as possible, but I didn't. If that was g-d telling me to leave, then why didn't g-d remove me from the situation instead of trying to do some psychic mumbo jumbo on me?
One of the core concepts of Christianity is that God leaves us with the decision...starts back with Adam and Eve having the choice to take Satan's bait or not to...
So...what you're saying here is that g-d warned me to run away and since I didn't it was my fault I was raped? Thats :bs:
And don't get me started on the interpretation of Adam and Eve, because I definitely don't agree with you there...
Quoteyou have a feeling that you shouldn't go to a certain place, you have a bad feeling, but you choose to go anywayI have this happen to me on a fairly regular basis, always have, but I do NOT attribute it to 'god warning me'. It is instinct, a highly acute sense of myself and my surroundings that I have developed over the years and, in some cases, a memory of a prior experience with something or someone I cannot quite put my finger on. It is how and why our brains work the way they do ie to help us survive. It is no different really than an animal that has had a close encounter with a predator and at some point later on is in that same situation/surroundings, senses that something is not right, but continues in their action. Sometimes they escape in one piece, sometimes they are injured, and at times they become dinner. That is a very simplified breakdown, but I think it gets my point across.
I think you said it well, Jordandog.
A good example...the moment I laid eyes on the man that raped me, I wanted to run in the other direction as fast as possible, but I didn't. If that was g-d telling me to leave, then why didn't g-d remove me from the situation instead of trying to do some psychic mumbo jumbo on me?
One of the core concepts of Christianity is that God leaves us with the decision...starts back with Adam and Eve having the choice to take Satan's bait or not to...
So...what you're saying here is that g-d warned me to run away and since I didn't it was my fault I was raped? Thats :bs:
And don't get me started on the interpretation of Adam and Eve, because I definitely don't agree with you there...
HOW DARE YOU put those words in my mouth. Don't you dare EVER make me out to sound like a careless human being. I meant God didn't just REMOVE you from the situtation because he doesn't just POOF make us disappear from bad situations. But whatever, if you want to be petty and put words in my mouth that's fine I dont want to be a part of it.
I'm back on US soil. Be home tomorrow. In NY tonight. Good to be back though my friends!
I'm back on US soil. Be home tomorrow. In NY tonight. Good to be back though my friends!
Good to see you back. I've missed you!
Everybody has a moral center that tells them right from wrong....no matter what you believe, or what religion you claim.....or don't claim. We also have laws of the land that are Bible based on it's teachings and foundations (Do not kill, for instance). Whether I believed in God or not, there are unspoken rules I adhere to because I'm......human.Thanks, Annella!!! Welcome back!!!!!!!! :D
You can call yourself any religion you like, but until you bear and put forth fruit that is spiritually and morally acceptable by both God and man.....your a fake. The parable of the wheat and tares in the Bible is a good example of those calling themselves Christians, and all they are.....are phony's. There are those in various religions and sects that give Christianity a bad name. The tares looked like Christians, but misused the Word of God. They use Christianity for a cloak of deceit to work mayhem.
A religion that teaches celibacy (for life) is not interpreting the Word correctly. They've taken a truth, and expanded on it, and twisted it to where it no more resembles the original Script than a comic book. This is common in many so called "Christian movements".
Jcribb has said it well, as it's been said many times before. You can't lump all Christians or believers in your negative perception of any group that titles themselves as Christian. Calling myself a dress designer, doesn't make it so, if all I can do is mend socks.
Thanks, Annella!!! Welcome back!!!!!!!!
I'm back on US soil. Be home tomorrow. In NY tonight. Good to be back though my friends!
Good to see you back. I've missed you!
Thank you Amy :heart:
Quoteyou have a feeling that you shouldn't go to a certain place, you have a bad feeling, but you choose to go anywayI have this happen to me on a fairly regular basis, always have, but I do NOT attribute it to 'god warning me'. It is instinct, a highly acute sense of myself and my surroundings that I have developed over the years and, in some cases, a memory of a prior experience with something or someone I cannot quite put my finger on. It is how and why our brains work the way they do ie to help us survive. It is no different really than an animal that has had a close encounter with a predator and at some point later on is in that same situation/surroundings, senses that something is not right, but continues in their action. Sometimes they escape in one piece, sometimes they are injured, and at times they become dinner. That is a very simplified breakdown, but I think it gets my point across.
I think you said it well, Jordandog.
A good example...the moment I laid eyes on the man that raped me, I wanted to run in the other direction as fast as possible, but I didn't. If that was g-d telling me to leave, then why didn't g-d remove me from the situation instead of trying to do some psychic mumbo jumbo on me?
One of the core concepts of Christianity is that God leaves us with the decision...starts back with Adam and Eve having the choice to take Satan's bait or not to...
So...what you're saying here is that g-d warned me to run away and since I didn't it was my fault I was raped? Thats :bs:
And don't get me started on the interpretation of Adam and Eve, because I definitely don't agree with you there...
HOW DARE YOU put those words in my mouth. Don't you dare EVER make me out to sound like a careless human being. I meant God didn't just REMOVE you from the situtation because he doesn't just POOF make us disappear from bad situations. But whatever, if you want to be petty and put words in my mouth that's fine I dont want to be a part of it.
I'm not the one who is trying to make anyone out to be anything here. It is a reasonable conclusion to make based on your words. Your words did offend me, though. That is a very careless thing to say to a rape survivor...and you turning it around on me like that is even more offensive. I am a believer...I wholeheartedly believe and love g-d, but I would never say that g-d failed to protect me from being raped...just like I would never say my mother is the cause of my rape because she gave birth to me. I don't see me as being the petty one here, but each person has a different view.
I just read the words as they are written, and I cannot see your intention behind them. The words as they were written were highly offensive and :bs:. Of course g-d doesn't just remove us from bad situations because g-d is not active in our world...that instinct of mine was not g-d warning me but a survival instinct that I ignored. G-d loves me and would not willingly allow me to be harmed if g-d was actively participating in that time and place...just like my parents would never have sat idly by and allowed it to happen.
Your attitude, though, remains offensive to me. It seems to me that you think that I am out to make you look like a bad person, and I'm not. I think you are a smart and intelligent young woman who, while you may lack in some life experiences due to your young age, adds something to this forum when you are not jumping down the throats of those with whom you disagree. But, whatever, I do not want any part of your defensive attitude.
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Everybody has a moral center that tells them right from wrong....no matter what you believe, or what religion you claim.....or don't claim. We also have laws of the land that are Bible based on it's teachings and foundations (Do not kill, for instance). Whether I believed in God or not, there are unspoken rules I adhere to because I'm......human.
You can call yourself any religion you like, but until you bear and put forth fruit that is spiritually and morally acceptable by both God and man.....your a fake. The parable of the wheat and tares in the Bible is a good example of those calling themselves Christians, and all they are.....are phony's. There are those in various religions and sects that give Christianity a bad name. The tares looked like Christians, but misused the Word of God. They use Christianity for a cloak of deceit to work mayhem.
A religion that teaches celibacy (for life) is not interpreting the Word correctly. They've taken a truth, and expanded on it, and twisted it to where it no more resembles the original Script than a comic book. This is common in many so called "Christian movements".
Jcribb has said it well, as it's been said many times before. You can't lump all Christians or believers in your negative perception of any group that titles themselves as Christian. Calling myself a dress designer, doesn't make it so, if all I can do is mend socks.
We also have laws of the land that are Bible based on it's teachings and foundations (Do not kill, for instance).
I wasn't even responding to the fact that you were raped, I was responding to the comment of "why didn't God just remove me from the situation." The man who violated you has free will as we all do, he made the choice to do an evil, awful thing. It's not your fault it's his fault. I was simply pointing out that the reason it happened is because we DO have free will, all of us, not just the good ones.
God does nothing because of Free Will.
Sure she didn't want to be raped but the man was stronger...if God stopped that then I am sure he would stop everything else and there would be no free will.
if someone calls you retarded its cause they are afraid of how smart you are
if someone calls you retarded its cause they are afraid of how smart you arewow, that was retarded!!
I wasn't even responding to the fact that you were raped, I was responding to the comment of "why didn't God just remove me from the situation." The man who violated you has free will as we all do, he made the choice to do an evil, awful thing. It's not your fault it's his fault. I was simply pointing out that the reason it happened is because we DO have free will, all of us, not just the good ones.
Y'all really get yourself into a pickle with this "free will" thing. So what you're saying is god cares more about the rapist's free will than Amy's. Before someone explodes in anger, think about it -- Amy presumably has "free will" too, and it is violating HER free will to be raped. So god cares more about the rapist's free will by default by standing back and doing nothing.
You all know that would have to be the case if there were a Biblegod, you just don't want to admit it. :o
There are also way more rapists that are Christians than that aren't...
That's what I was trying to say to jcribb: believers make up the majority of the population. So statistically, there's more people who are believers who will commit the bad stuff...and they often think they have a free pass to do so with the god card.
The point im making is anyone can claim to be a Christian and to serve God, but that doesn't mean they do. However, that doesn't make the religion bad. When followed correctly it's wonderful. It just means the PEOPLE made bad choices, the religion didn't make that decision for them...especially when the religion is against rape.
Bad things happen though. Why? People make foolish decisions every day of their lives, taking advantage of the free will given to us by God. So why did God let this happen? If he didn’t, the freedom he has passed to us as human beings would not exist.
I was mainly speaking of adults, here, regarding free will (personal choice.) I agree about the children, though - obviously they need parents/guardians, etc. to make choices for them until they can make their own choices, a little at a time, and then as an adult.Bad things happen though. Why? People make foolish decisions every day of their lives, taking advantage of the free will given to us by God. So why did God let this happen? If he didn’t, the freedom he has passed to us as human beings would not exist.
I've already explained that this excuse doesn't fly. GOOD parents don't let their kids have free will over everything for their own safety. So what is god's problem?
I have been reading further into the free will issue. And in looking very hard through my bible itself and looking for other sources on the matter, the bible doesn't really even talk about free will, other than that we choose God or we choose the Devil.
I personally have no problem if God intervenes into my free will for my own good. I welcome it and even pray for it.
God doesn't have a problem, people do.
We also have laws of the land that are Bible based on it's teachings and foundations (Do not kill, for instance).
Ha! Every time I see another incorrect cliche like this, it's demonstrated how little people really know about their religion compared to society at large. Recap, folks:
Our First Ammendment VIOLATES the First Commandment. You know, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me"? How about, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"? That's a diss to god if I ever saw one. ;D
Commandments Two (graven images), Three (take god's name in vain), Four (Sabbath), Five (honor parents), Seven (adultery), Ten (coveting) are NOT laws...in fact, #2 again violates the First Amendment; many people work on Friday/Saturday/Sunday; you shouldn't have to respect your parents if they were sh*theads who abused you; and #10 is actually detrimental to the economy if followed.
The three Commandments that actually are U.S. law: don't kill, don't steal, don't commit perjury. Wow...3 out of (at least) 10?? Not going for a high score, I guess.
And just a quick history lesson: Hammurabi's Code predates the Bible by at least 1,000 years and contains all three of those laws. So no, you don't get to claim that the Bible has ANYTHING to do with our laws.
And FYI: If you followed just a fraction of the 600+ commandments in the Bible, you'd find your butt in jail and/or be given the death penalty. Good thing you just ignore those unpleasant ones, eh?
Good video on this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxwzic3gbgU
There are also way more rapists that are Christians than that aren't...
That's what I was trying to say to jcribb: believers make up the majority of the population. So statistically, there's more people who are believers who will commit the bad stuff...and they often think they have a free pass to do so with the god card.
The point im making is anyone can claim to be a Christian and to serve God, but that doesn't mean they do. However, that doesn't make the religion bad. When followed correctly it's wonderful. It just means the PEOPLE made bad choices, the religion didn't make that decision for them...especially when the religion is against rape.
Christians and non-believers all have the same free will. God is not responsible. Every time something bad happens, society is the first to put the responsibility on God. These answers are incorrect. Why? (There’s that question again!) Because if these allegations against God are true, then God is a mass murderer, baby killer, rapist, traffic lawbreaker, terrorist, airplane hijacker, and everything else our imaginative minds can think of. Every time we have a problem in our lives, it is not God’s fault. God only provides good.
Bad things happen though. Why? People make foolish decisions every day of their lives, taking advantage of the free will given to us by God. So why did God let this happen? If he didn’t, the freedom he has passed to us as human beings would not exist. Before placing the blame of something evil and tragic on God, think about it. Why would a loving God ever want to harm anyone? And never forget, the most asked question in the universe is “Why?” The most unanswered question, unfortunately, is also “Why?” In this case, the answer may be our misuse of free will.
(Courtesy and help from "Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America")
Well that's a different issue...that's parents teaching their kids right from wrong, implementing morals and values, and watching over them as they learn the difference between what is and isn't safe...it's not hindering their free will?Bad things happen though. Why? People make foolish decisions every day of their lives, taking advantage of the free will given to us by God. So why did God let this happen? If he didn’t, the freedom he has passed to us as human beings would not exist.
I've already explained that this excuse doesn't fly. GOOD parents don't let their kids have free will over everything for their own safety. So what is god's problem?
When does God find car keys?I have been reading further into the free will issue. And in looking very hard through my bible itself and looking for other sources on the matter, the bible doesn't really even talk about free will, other than that we choose God or we choose the Devil.
Because Christianity invented the term "free will". I'm serious! The more you know...QuoteI personally have no problem if God intervenes into my free will for my own good. I welcome it and even pray for it.
Uh, didn't we already talk about how god can't intervene when it comes to rape??!? He can only do the easy stuff, I guess. Like finding your car keys.
I have been reading further into the free will issue. And in looking very hard through my bible itself and looking for other sources on the matter, the bible doesn't really even talk about free will, other than that we choose God or we choose the Devil.
Because Christianity invented the term "free will". I'm serious! The more you know...QuoteI personally have no problem if God intervenes into my free will for my own good. I welcome it and even pray for it.
Uh, didn't we already talk about how god can't intervene when it comes to rape??!? He can only do the easy stuff, I guess. Like finding your car keys.
http://www.danielnpaul.com/DoctrineOfDiscovery.html
We were founded on Christian morals and values. You were the one that "jumped" on the Commandments.
There is no "cliche" about how our Nation or society was formed from the beginning. You just don't like it, because you don't believe the Bible and it's teachings, and try to find any way to dispute it. However, history bears out how our Nation was founded.
Those of you who don't believe the Bible and really hate Christianity, why don't you all go live in countries that have the same beliefs that you do? There are countries that will welcome you with open arms, and help you "trash" any Christian beliefs. Better yet, change places with some of the inhabitants who worship a God they love in secret and underground, because their Gov't. forbids it. That would be a better way. They would love to take your place.
You spout your atheistic belief and how we are so ignorant because we serve God. Do something about it. Go join forces with those who think like you do in other countries.
http://www.danielnpaul.com/DoctrineOfDiscovery.html
We were founded on Christian morals and values. You were the one that "jumped" on the Commandments.
There is no "cliche" about how our Nation or society was formed from the beginning. You just don't like it, because you don't believe the Bible and it's teachings, and try to find any way to dispute it. However, history bears out how our Nation was founded.
Those of you who don't believe the Bible and really hate Christianity, why don't you all go live in countries that have the same beliefs that you do? There are countries that will welcome you with open arms, and help you "trash" any Christian beliefs. Better yet, change places with some of the inhabitants who worship a God they love in secret and underground, because their Gov't. forbids it. That would be a better way. They would love to take your place.
You spout your atheistic belief and how we are so ignorant because we serve God. Do something about it. Go join forces with those who think like you do in other countries.
Gotcha - I wasn't making the connection with the link you had.Ya gotta learn to speak "Walks" JDog, LOL, I just know its going to be the official language one day soon ;0)
;) :thumbsup:Gotcha - I wasn't making the connection with the link you had.Ya gotta learn to speak "Walks" JDog, LOL, I just know its going to be the official language one day soon ;0)
I am God's child, you aren't, according to your non-belief. I haven't missed any point here. People are the ones who have problems with certain beliefs, etc. I am simply saying God does not have a problem by not intervening like you are insinuating he should. We are adults and have our own personal choices that we can make (same as "free will" that you think was invented by Christianity.) If God intervened all the time, then we would be useless as our own person/s and He should have just gone ahead and made us perfect like Him. But, no, He made us all different, and gives us the opportunity to choose right or wrong, whether or not they are smart choices or foolish. He is like our Father, in that we are in His good graces when we make smart choices, and are disciplined when we make foolish choices. These foolish choices can mess up other people's lives as well, such as running a red light, colliding with another car, and injuring/killing themselves or other strangers.God doesn't have a problem, people do.
Are we not god's children? You seem to have missed my point...
***raises hand*** UHHHHH 'scuse me.....I haven't read the whole conversation here(shame on me) but does non-belief, in this instance, mean, don't believe in "God" or don't believe in "your God"?I am God's child, you aren't, according to your non-belief.God doesn't have a problem, people do.
Are we not god's children? You seem to have missed my point...
***raises hand*** UHHHHH 'scuse me.....I haven't read the whole conversation here(shame on me) but does non-belief, in this instance, mean, don't believe in "God" or don't believe in "your God"?I am God's child, you aren't, according to your non-belief.God doesn't have a problem, people do.
Are we not god's children? You seem to have missed my point...
***hangs head and mopes to the corner for time out******raises hand*** UHHHHH 'scuse me.....I haven't read the whole conversation here(shame on me) but does non-belief, in this instance, mean, don't believe in "God" or don't believe in "your God"?I am God's child, you aren't, according to your non-belief.God doesn't have a problem, people do.
Are we not god's children? You seem to have missed my point...
Yes, shame on you, you haven't read the whole thread. (kinda lol)
You don't need to go there! You're a great sport! LOL :)***hangs head and mopes to the corner for time out******raises hand*** UHHHHH 'scuse me.....I haven't read the whole conversation here(shame on me) but does non-belief, in this instance, mean, don't believe in "God" or don't believe in "your God"?I am God's child, you aren't, according to your non-belief.God doesn't have a problem, people do.
Are we not god's children? You seem to have missed my point...
Yes, shame on you, you haven't read the whole thread. (kinda lol)
Edit: Thanks for the info, Aye-meh.
The most important thing to remember, though, about our country's origins is the fact that the colonists came here looking for religious freedom. So, why would men that were concerned with being able to worship their faith freely try to impose upon this new country of theirs a religious dogma? Our founding fathers were men who had religious faith; however, they were very careful to say "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." American citizens can worship any way they want to, as long as they are peaceable about it. This is why there are no laws making protests outside abortion clinics illegal and why the KKK can have rallies...yes, religious groups are behind those, too.
QuoteThe most important thing to remember, though, about our country's origins is the fact that the colonists came here looking for religious freedom. So, why would men that were concerned with being able to worship their faith freely try to impose upon this new country of theirs a religious dogma? Our founding fathers were men who had religious faith; however, they were very careful to say "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." American citizens can worship any way they want to, as long as they are peaceable about it. This is why there are no laws making protests outside abortion clinics illegal and why the KKK can have rallies...yes, religious groups are behind those, too.
Oh come on! I expect better from you Amy! Didn't you say that all religious movements were not the same. Seems you want to blame any religious groups for everything. KKK? Oh yeah, I got a white sheet on my bed, and a rope in my garage, and enough wood to make a wooden cross.....does that mean anything? Just being funny ;)
Yes, Colonists came here looking for religious freedom, and from the bondage of the church of England which they were forced to attend and adhere to according to the policy and laws of England. Yes, that's why the Constitution was written as it was (Freedom of Religion). As far as our country being founded on Christian principles. It was. Okay, maybe the "In God We Trust", or the "Nation under God came later. I don't really know because I'll admit to not studying that out. I have however, studied history, and read many Bios of our founding fathers (drafted the Constitution). Ninety percent of them were deeply religious men, and some were even clergy. George Washington always made mention of God and His favor in letters to Martha while on the field of battle.
Your are right. The Hebrews are God's first chosen people. However, the Bible also says that God is no respecter of persons. In other words, no one race is better than the other. However, I've seen the Jews down at the Kotel, and praying 3 times a day in Israel....it put me to shame. Your heritage is rich and full of natural blessings, but we as gentiles have had a chance to enter into God's blessings also. We are "grafted in" the main Olive tree, and enjoy the same blessings as heirs to Salvation. We are also called "Children of Abraham".
This is why there are no laws making protests outside abortion clinics illegal and why the KKK can have rallies...yes, religious groups are behind those, too.
First off, there are many other religions that have done wrong in the name of their religion- why are you just targeting Christians?- the Muslims have done terrible things in the name of religion, and I don't see you slamming them. Second, there is no proof that hell doesn't exist- what do you think is going to happen after we die?. Third, bad things happen to everyone, including Christians, calamities, tragedies, and sadness happen to them also- are you saying that once you become a christian that nothing bad should happen?- things also happen to people Christian or not because of unbelief, and God can only warn us, and if we choose not to listen, we suffer the consequences, ie; you have a feeling that you shouldn't go to a certain place, you have a bad feeling, but you choose to go anyway, it is not God's fault- you were warned.
It's not a constant defensive attitude. It simply irritates me that you made it sound like I was in any way saying being raped was your fault. That's crap. I wasn't even responding to the fact that you were raped, I was responding to the comment of "why didn't God just remove me from the situation." The man who violated you has free will as we all do, he made the choice to do an evil, awful thing. It's not your fault it's his fault. I was simply pointing out that the reason it happened is because we DO have free will, all of us, not just the good ones. I was in no way trying to say you were at fault for being raped, that is ludicrous and something like that would NEVER come out of my mouth, and it offended me that you would make it seem as such. It's a horrible thing to have happened and is one of the worst things that ever takes place in our world and I would never ever say anyone in any way asked for it. That is NEVER the situation. I was ONLY responding to the God aspect.I'm not the one who is trying to make anyone out to be anything here. It is a reasonable conclusion to make based on your words. Your words did offend me, though. That is a very careless thing to say to a rape survivor...and you turning it around on me like that is even more offensive. I am a believer...I wholeheartedly believe and love g-d, but I would never say that g-d failed to protect me from being raped...just like I would never say my mother is the cause of my rape because she gave birth to me. I don't see me as being the petty one here, but each person has a different view.HOW DARE YOU put those words in my mouth. Don't you dare EVER make me out to sound like a careless human being. I meant God didn't just REMOVE you from the situtation because he doesn't just POOF make us disappear from bad situations. But whatever, if you want to be petty and put words in my mouth that's fine I dont want to be a part of it.So...what you're saying here is that g-d warned me to run away and since I didn't it was my fault I was raped? Thats :bs:One of the core concepts of Christianity is that God leaves us with the decision...starts back with Adam and Eve having the choice to take Satan's bait or not to...I have this happen to me on a fairly regular basis, always have, but I do NOT attribute it to 'god warning me'. It is instinct, a highly acute sense of myself and my surroundings that I have developed over the years and, in some cases, a memory of a prior experience with something or someone I cannot quite put my finger on. It is how and why our brains work the way they do ie to help us survive. It is no different really than an animal that has had a close encounter with a predator and at some point later on is in that same situation/surroundings, senses that something is not right, but continues in their action. Sometimes they escape in one piece, sometimes they are injured, and at times they become dinner. That is a very simplified breakdown, but I think it gets my point across.I think you said it well, Jordandog.
A good example...the moment I laid eyes on the man that raped me, I wanted to run in the other direction as fast as possible, but I didn't. If that was g-d telling me to leave, then why didn't g-d remove me from the situation instead of trying to do some psychic mumbo jumbo on me?
And don't get me started on the interpretation of Adam and Eve, because I definitely don't agree with you there...
I just read the words as they are written, and I cannot see your intention behind them. The words as they were written were highly offensive and :bs:. Of course g-d doesn't just remove us from bad situations because g-d is not active in our world...that instinct of mine was not g-d warning me but a survival instinct that I ignored. G-d loves me and would not willingly allow me to be harmed if g-d was actively participating in that time and place...just like my parents would never have sat idly by and allowed it to happen.
Your attitude, though, remains offensive to me. It seems to me that you think that I am out to make you look like a bad person, and I'm not. I think you are a smart and intelligent young woman who, while you may lack in some life experiences due to your young age, adds something to this forum when you are not jumping down the throats of those with whom you disagree. But, whatever, I do not want any part of your defensive attitude.
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QuoteThis is why there are no laws making protests outside abortion clinics illegal and why the KKK can have rallies...yes, religious groups are behind those, too.
I took the above quote from you and made a joke about it. ;D There have been statements lumping all Christians into one pot for the cause of blaming Christians in general for the worlds woes, or why their people have not progressed. You have not done that.
I made no inference to make you think I'm calling you on your statement of being God's chosen people. Please don't take offense to my last paragraph. It was just a statement of fact from a Biblical standpoint....nothing more. I've been to Israel, and seen the devotion the Jews have toward God. I was deeply convicted knowing my devotion fell short. It seems I offended you in my last paragraph, and that was NOT my intention at all......I apologize
On the plane coming into Israel one morning, I witnessed some Jews, get up in the aisle and point toward East and pray with their tallits on, and their prayer books. It made a very lasting impression on me. Their love and devotion to God was evident, and they didn't care who saw them, or what people thought of them.
I have gone back through and discovered the source of the issue here:First off, there are many other religions that have done wrong in the name of their religion- why are you just targeting Christians?- the Muslims have done terrible things in the name of religion, and I don't see you slamming them. Second, there is no proof that hell doesn't exist- what do you think is going to happen after we die?. Third, bad things happen to everyone, including Christians, calamities, tragedies, and sadness happen to them also- are you saying that once you become a christian that nothing bad should happen?- things also happen to people Christian or not because of unbelief, and God can only warn us, and if we choose not to listen, we suffer the consequences, ie; you have a feeling that you shouldn't go to a certain place, you have a bad feeling, but you choose to go anyway, it is not God's fault- you were warned.
That is where the comments from Jordandog and myself came from. Then:It's not a constant defensive attitude. It simply irritates me that you made it sound like I was in any way saying being raped was your fault. That's crap. I wasn't even responding to the fact that you were raped, I was responding to the comment of "why didn't God just remove me from the situation." The man who violated you has free will as we all do, he made the choice to do an evil, awful thing. It's not your fault it's his fault. I was simply pointing out that the reason it happened is because we DO have free will, all of us, not just the good ones. I was in no way trying to say you were at fault for being raped, that is ludicrous and something like that would NEVER come out of my mouth, and it offended me that you would make it seem as such. It's a horrible thing to have happened and is one of the worst things that ever takes place in our world and I would never ever say anyone in any way asked for it. That is NEVER the situation. I was ONLY responding to the God aspect.I'm not the one who is trying to make anyone out to be anything here. It is a reasonable conclusion to make based on your words. Your words did offend me, though. That is a very careless thing to say to a rape survivor...and you turning it around on me like that is even more offensive. I am a believer...I wholeheartedly believe and love g-d, but I would never say that g-d failed to protect me from being raped...just like I would never say my mother is the cause of my rape because she gave birth to me. I don't see me as being the petty one here, but each person has a different view.HOW DARE YOU put those words in my mouth. Don't you dare EVER make me out to sound like a careless human being. I meant God didn't just REMOVE you from the situtation because he doesn't just POOF make us disappear from bad situations. But whatever, if you want to be petty and put words in my mouth that's fine I dont want to be a part of it.So...what you're saying here is that g-d warned me to run away and since I didn't it was my fault I was raped? Thats :bs:One of the core concepts of Christianity is that God leaves us with the decision...starts back with Adam and Eve having the choice to take Satan's bait or not to...I have this happen to me on a fairly regular basis, always have, but I do NOT attribute it to 'god warning me'. It is instinct, a highly acute sense of myself and my surroundings that I have developed over the years and, in some cases, a memory of a prior experience with something or someone I cannot quite put my finger on. It is how and why our brains work the way they do ie to help us survive. It is no different really than an animal that has had a close encounter with a predator and at some point later on is in that same situation/surroundings, senses that something is not right, but continues in their action. Sometimes they escape in one piece, sometimes they are injured, and at times they become dinner. That is a very simplified breakdown, but I think it gets my point across.I think you said it well, Jordandog.
A good example...the moment I laid eyes on the man that raped me, I wanted to run in the other direction as fast as possible, but I didn't. If that was g-d telling me to leave, then why didn't g-d remove me from the situation instead of trying to do some psychic mumbo jumbo on me?
And don't get me started on the interpretation of Adam and Eve, because I definitely don't agree with you there...
I just read the words as they are written, and I cannot see your intention behind them. The words as they were written were highly offensive and :bs:. Of course g-d doesn't just remove us from bad situations because g-d is not active in our world...that instinct of mine was not g-d warning me but a survival instinct that I ignored. G-d loves me and would not willingly allow me to be harmed if g-d was actively participating in that time and place...just like my parents would never have sat idly by and allowed it to happen.
Your attitude, though, remains offensive to me. It seems to me that you think that I am out to make you look like a bad person, and I'm not. I think you are a smart and intelligent young woman who, while you may lack in some life experiences due to your young age, adds something to this forum when you are not jumping down the throats of those with whom you disagree. But, whatever, I do not want any part of your defensive attitude.
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I have seen through the responses that although the intention wasn't there, the words were still offensive. I replied to this out of anger and hurt and offense, and was harsh. I could have been much harsher, but I wasn't. I will take this opportunity to apologize for the harshness of my words; however, your words are just that: your words. You either stand by them, or correct them and apologize for the offense they have caused. I may stand alone here, but I believe I deserve an apology in this case. I never said you had a constant defensive attitude...just that your attitude here (and other places where you have been confronted by those who disagree with you) has been defensive. And, honestly, you'll catch more flies with honey. If you spend all your time with a chip on your shoulder then you won't do anything for your side of the argument other than turn more people away.
Amy, I've read Mackenzie's last paragraph, and she seems genuinely on your side. Even stating that it was the most horrible thing that should happen to you.
As far as her attitude. My goodness, do you even realize how people talk to Christians on here? Being a Christian on here is a defense of our values, morals and just the fact that we believe the Bible. Mackenzie has every right to defend what she believes just like everyone else on here. Christians are targeted on here all the time. She does not seem to have a chip on her shoulder.
I've said this before, and I'll say it again. Everything is fine, as long as we agree with what is dished out to us. The minute we stick up for ourselves or say something about what the Word of God says.....the fight is on. Not just what we say....but an attack to our character also.
I wish I could sleep. This has been a long day...........
Amy, I've read Mackenzie's last paragraph, and she seems genuinely on your side. Even stating that it was the most horrible thing that should happen to you.
As far as her attitude. My goodness, do you even realize how people talk to Christians on here? Being a Christian on here is a defense of our values, morals and just the fact that we believe the Bible. Mackenzie has every right to defend what she believes just like everyone else on here. Christians are targeted on here all the time. She does not seem to have a chip on her shoulder.
I've said this before, and I'll say it again. Everything is fine, as long as we agree with what is dished out to us. The minute we stick up for ourselves or say something about what the Word of God says.....the fight is on. Not just what we say....but an attack to our character also.
I wish I could sleep. This has been a long day...........
I agree that she has every right to defend what she believes. I also believe, though, that people should take responsibility for their actions. She is rationalizing, not taking responsibility here...and it is hard to admit when you are wrong. I have seen no admission on her part here.
And I have seen how people talk to Christians on here...and I see how I talk to people on here...I take it all in. I have to defend myself, too, not only to the non-believers because I have faith, but to many Christians as well because I disagree with scriptural interpretation. It is beyond my control how other people behave, but I do have a responsibility for my actions. I try to rectify it when I have done something wrong...or can be interpreted as being wrong.
In all honesty...since Mackenzie has been on here, I personally have felt that she has dished nothing but contempt and a defensive attitude toward me...no matter how I try to act toward her. I just lost it when she said what she said and then attacked me for it...because she did attack me. Even in her last paragraph her words are harsh and non-apologetic.
I'm pretty sure that sleep will hit you like a brick wall soon...and you'll get that nice 20 hour nap that I can only dream about...LOL
I have gone back through and discovered the source of the issue here:First off, there are many other religions that have done wrong in the name of their religion- why are you just targeting Christians?- the Muslims have done terrible things in the name of religion, and I don't see you slamming them. Second, there is no proof that hell doesn't exist- what do you think is going to happen after we die?. Third, bad things happen to everyone, including Christians, calamities, tragedies, and sadness happen to them also- are you saying that once you become a christian that nothing bad should happen?- things also happen to people Christian or not because of unbelief, and God can only warn us, and if we choose not to listen, we suffer the consequences, ie; you have a feeling that you shouldn't go to a certain place, you have a bad feeling, but you choose to go anyway, it is not God's fault- you were warned.
That is where the comments from Jordandog and myself came from. Then:It's not a constant defensive attitude. It simply irritates me that you made it sound like I was in any way saying being raped was your fault. That's crap. I wasn't even responding to the fact that you were raped, I was responding to the comment of "why didn't God just remove me from the situation." The man who violated you has free will as we all do, he made the choice to do an evil, awful thing. It's not your fault it's his fault. I was simply pointing out that the reason it happened is because we DO have free will, all of us, not just the good ones. I was in no way trying to say you were at fault for being raped, that is ludicrous and something like that would NEVER come out of my mouth, and it offended me that you would make it seem as such. It's a horrible thing to have happened and is one of the worst things that ever takes place in our world and I would never ever say anyone in any way asked for it. That is NEVER the situation. I was ONLY responding to the God aspect.I'm not the one who is trying to make anyone out to be anything here. It is a reasonable conclusion to make based on your words. Your words did offend me, though. That is a very careless thing to say to a rape survivor...and you turning it around on me like that is even more offensive. I am a believer...I wholeheartedly believe and love g-d, but I would never say that g-d failed to protect me from being raped...just like I would never say my mother is the cause of my rape because she gave birth to me. I don't see me as being the petty one here, but each person has a different view.HOW DARE YOU put those words in my mouth. Don't you dare EVER make me out to sound like a careless human being. I meant God didn't just REMOVE you from the situtation because he doesn't just POOF make us disappear from bad situations. But whatever, if you want to be petty and put words in my mouth that's fine I dont want to be a part of it.So...what you're saying here is that g-d warned me to run away and since I didn't it was my fault I was raped? Thats :bs:One of the core concepts of Christianity is that God leaves us with the decision...starts back with Adam and Eve having the choice to take Satan's bait or not to...I have this happen to me on a fairly regular basis, always have, but I do NOT attribute it to 'god warning me'. It is instinct, a highly acute sense of myself and my surroundings that I have developed over the years and, in some cases, a memory of a prior experience with something or someone I cannot quite put my finger on. It is how and why our brains work the way they do ie to help us survive. It is no different really than an animal that has had a close encounter with a predator and at some point later on is in that same situation/surroundings, senses that something is not right, but continues in their action. Sometimes they escape in one piece, sometimes they are injured, and at times they become dinner. That is a very simplified breakdown, but I think it gets my point across.I think you said it well, Jordandog.
A good example...the moment I laid eyes on the man that raped me, I wanted to run in the other direction as fast as possible, but I didn't. If that was g-d telling me to leave, then why didn't g-d remove me from the situation instead of trying to do some psychic mumbo jumbo on me?
And don't get me started on the interpretation of Adam and Eve, because I definitely don't agree with you there...
I just read the words as they are written, and I cannot see your intention behind them. The words as they were written were highly offensive and :bs:. Of course g-d doesn't just remove us from bad situations because g-d is not active in our world...that instinct of mine was not g-d warning me but a survival instinct that I ignored. G-d loves me and would not willingly allow me to be harmed if g-d was actively participating in that time and place...just like my parents would never have sat idly by and allowed it to happen.
Your attitude, though, remains offensive to me. It seems to me that you think that I am out to make you look like a bad person, and I'm not. I think you are a smart and intelligent young woman who, while you may lack in some life experiences due to your young age, adds something to this forum when you are not jumping down the throats of those with whom you disagree. But, whatever, I do not want any part of your defensive attitude.
Cool?
I have seen through the responses that although the intention wasn't there, the words were still offensive. I replied to this out of anger and hurt and offense, and was harsh. I could have been much harsher, but I wasn't. I will take this opportunity to apologize for the harshness of my words; however, your words are just that: your words. You either stand by them, or correct them and apologize for the offense they have caused. I may stand alone here, but I believe I deserve an apology in this case. I never said you had a constant defensive attitude...just that your attitude here (and other places where you have been confronted by those who disagree with you) has been defensive. And, honestly, you'll catch more flies with honey. If you spend all your time with a chip on your shoulder then you won't do anything for your side of the argument other than turn more people away.
Amy, I've read Mackenzie's last paragraph, and she seems genuinely on your side. Even stating that it was the most horrible thing that should happen to you.
As far as her attitude. My goodness, do you even realize how people talk to Christians on here? Being a Christian on here is a defense of our values, morals and just the fact that we believe the Bible. Mackenzie has every right to defend what she believes just like everyone else on here. Christians are targeted on here all the time. She does not seem to have a chip on her shoulder.
I've said this before, and I'll say it again. Everything is fine, as long as we agree with what is dished out to us. The minute we stick up for ourselves or say something about what the Word of God says.....the fight is on. Not just what we say....but an attack to our character also.
I wish I could sleep. This has been a long day...........
I agree that she has every right to defend what she believes. I also believe, though, that people should take responsibility for their actions. She is rationalizing, not taking responsibility here...and it is hard to admit when you are wrong. I have seen no admission on her part here.
And I have seen how people talk to Christians on here...and I see how I talk to people on here...I take it all in. I have to defend myself, too, not only to the non-believers because I have faith, but to many Christians as well because I disagree with scriptural interpretation. It is beyond my control how other people behave, but I do have a responsibility for my actions. I try to rectify it when I have done something wrong...or can be interpreted as being wrong.
I thought this discussion was done with. I felt I made it clear that I was in no way even addressing that you had been raped. I was simply addressing that free will applies to all people good and evil...I'm sorry that you ever in any way felt that I was justifying your rapist's actions. I was absolutely not trying to do that as I reiterated many times. Honestly, I purposely only responded to the part of your comment addressing free will because I felt I had no place to talk with you about something so personal. I do stand by my words that everyone has free will, however I did not mean for you to in any way feel like I was saying you were at fault for what happened to you.
Regarding the next part of your post, I don't get defensive when someone disagrees with me. I get defensive when I feel my words are twisted, when people are rude, or absolutely intolerant of other's thoughts. Before this gets misread, I am not directing those things towards you. However, I'm sure you're referring to other threads where I have probable seemed to get riled up. I do get defensive when trying to have a conversation about religion and I am openly respectful towards the beliefs of atheists, I disagree with them mind you but respect them nonetheless, only to have a select few tell me how utterly ignorant and unintelligent I am to have faith in a higher power. After a while responding nicely repeatedly doesn't get the point across, especially when they often take things out of context and just look for ways to twist words. I have gotten riled up in other threads, not because I disagree with people just because of the way they go about addressing my beliefs. I have a short fuse, but I tend to stay calm until someone is absolutely rude for no reason or until I feel like I have been attacked.
Earlier I did feel somewhat attacked when you responded harshly, so I responded back to you in the same way. Not because I disagreed with you about free will, but because I in no way even meant to address your rape and was only trying to address the free will aspect of it. I should have removed the rest of it from the quote, but I didn't and that's my fault. I don't have a problem admitting when I'm wrong however. What I said was not wrong, it was simply a miscommunication that happens when talking on a computer rather than with words. Again, I wasn't addressing your rape and apologize if your feelings were hurt when you thought so. Aside from that, your perception of me is a bit wrong, I'm not a negative defensive person, however if that's your opinion of me I'm fine with that and take no disheartening from it. After all none of us really know each other all too well from talking on a forum, and I often have trouble getting my point across without being able to express what tone I'm saying things in. Anyway I have gone totally off the topic so I will go ahead and end this post before I continue rambling haha.
if someone calls you retarded its cause they are afraid of how smart you are
Please actually read the whole thread before you respond. lol
wow, that was retarded!! sorry, couldnt resist!!!
As a whole, the men that drew up the Constitution were godly men (research or read their Bios).
"In God We Trust" is on our money.
We say "One Nation Under God" in our pledge to the flag.
Our Nation was founded on Godly principles and morals. You cannot deny that.
We were founded on Christian morals and values.
this foundation is being eroded little by little to usher in a New World Order. Which, by the way, is in the Bible also.
Those of you who don't believe the Bible and really hate Christianity, why don't you all go live in countries that have the same beliefs that you do? There are countries that will welcome you with open arms, and help you "trash" any Christian beliefs...Or just live for 6 months in one of these countries. Not a 2 week vacation, but actually live there. Your eyes would be wide open.
As a whole, the men that drew up the Constitution were godly men (research or read their Bios).
Correction: Most were Deists...a.k.a. NOT Christians. There are many quotes where the Founding Fathers are trashing your Christian god! Are you sure they were on "your side"? ;)Quote"In God We Trust" is on our money.
Not until the '50s due to Communism and anyway, big whoop. IT STILL VIOLATES THE CONSTITUTION.QuoteWe say "One Nation Under God" in our pledge to the flag.
Not in the original pledge, folks. Geez, are people really this ignorant??QuoteOur Nation was founded on Godly principles and morals. You cannot deny that.
No they weren't. It is you who is denying the secular foundation. Separation of church and state? Yeah, you lost that one.QuoteWe were founded on Christian morals and values.
You're going to have to define what you mean here because like I said before, if you followed just a fraction of what the Bible says, you'd get your butt thrown in jail so fast. Just because the majority of people ascribe to the Christian religion in this country does NOT mean we were founded on "Christian morals and values". What a completely disgraceful thing to say to all of the people of OTHER religions living in this country.Quotethis foundation is being eroded little by little to usher in a New World Order. Which, by the way, is in the Bible also.
You're delusional if you think proper civil rights for all is a bad thing.QuoteThose of you who don't believe the Bible and really hate Christianity, why don't you all go live in countries that have the same beliefs that you do? There are countries that will welcome you with open arms, and help you "trash" any Christian beliefs...Or just live for 6 months in one of these countries. Not a 2 week vacation, but actually live there. Your eyes would be wide open.
Heh, this is the funny thing about forums: you end up looking silly when you don't realize who you're talking to. I HAVE been to 20 countries and LIVED in Europe for 2.5 years. I must say, it was quite refreshing not having god smeared in my face everywhere I went. Several "atheistic" European countries rank in the top ten for overall health and happiness...America is like #86 on the list.
However, where I lived there were still plenty of reasons to favor America more that had nothing to do with religion. Lack of shopping/entertainment facilities, for example.
I can't speak for tzs but when I had originally read her post and even now after re-reading it a few times, I honestly do not see "rudeness". I've read many of her posts and I think she is gifted with a great sense of humor. I think her ability to make someone laugh is one of the best gifts anyone could have. In checking out her other posts, her sense of humor & love of fun SHINES. (If any newbies thinks someone is "rude", they should always check out that person's other posts and get a "feel" for that person's "writing style" because it is hard to decipher in a forum from a short post.) I think this forum could use more humor & laughter....just my opinion.Quoteif someone calls you retarded its cause they are afraid of how smart you areQuotePlease actually read the whole thread before you respond. lolQuotewow, that was retarded!! sorry, couldnt resist!!!Hey you need to be a bit nicer. That was a newbie and you were rude for no reason. Anyone can post anywhere they want qon. What they posted was totally on point and pertinent to the subject of the thread. Unless your lol at the end was meant as a joke?
Tzs, To call someone retarded is not cool under any circumstances. I wonder if they feel like posting in D&D again. If you can't resist, then maybe you should not be posting until you can obtain some self control. I realize that you were commenting on qon telling the newbie to read the thread before they posted, but doesn't justify being rude.
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Those of you who don't believe the Bible and really hate Christianity, why don't you all go live in countries that have the same beliefs that you do? There are countries that will welcome you with open arms, and help you "trash" any Christian beliefs...Or just live for 6 months in one of these countries. Not a 2 week vacation, but actually live there. Your eyes would be wide open.
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Heh, this is the funny thing about forums: you end up looking silly when you don't realize who you're talking to. I HAVE been to 20 countries and LIVED in Europe for 2.5 years. I must say, it was quite refreshing not having god smeared in my face everywhere I went. Several "atheistic" European countries rank in the top ten for overall health and happiness...America is like #86 on the list.
However, where I lived there were still plenty of reasons to favor America more that had nothing to do with religion. Lack of shopping/entertainment facilities, for example.
I want to clarify, queenofnines, God is not being "smeared in your face" on these forums, at least. The only time it appears that way to you is when you consistently pick apart every sentence (basically) of Christians when they post something back in defense of what they believe in and stand up for it. I accept your decision as an atheist, but it seems as if you don't accept the fact that we believe in God, and try to intimidate, switch words around, and get aggressive about it. No wonder it seems like God is being smeared back in your face. We are trying to show what God's Word says, or other things that we know from history, etc., but we believe in God and live our lives for Him, and will continue to defend our beliefs no matter what you try and turn on us.
Also, after teaching school for right at twenty years, our country WAS built on Christian and moral principles. Please stop denying it.
For the religion of the founding fathers: http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html
As for Thomas Paine...check out The Age of Reason. He is usually cited as the most outspoken against religion.
And, queenofnines is correct about the quotes... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-47a0EHz_hw
I just want to thank amyrouse and queen for setting the record straight on the founding of this country. It is way too much for my brain to handle right now, but you both brought out points that immediately went through MY mind last night when I read what was written about it being almost completely 'religious' in nature. TY both. ;)The record hasn't been set straight yet.
I just want to thank amyrouse and queen for setting the record straight on the founding of this country. It is way too much for my brain to handle right now, but you both brought out points that immediately went through MY mind last night when I read what was written about it being almost completely 'religious' in nature. TY both. ;)
Just because you've been in European countries doesn't mean you've been in any I'm talking about.
How about some Middle Eastern countries?
Communist controlled countries?
I find it hard to believe you lived in 20 countries in 2.5 years.
I don't appreciate being called silly, bigoted, arrogant, delusional, deceitful, or ignorant by you qon (I'm adding some of these from another post also that you directed towards me).
I don't know if you have any idea how you come across on this forum.
Not one Christian has done this to you......not one.
If you can't address me in an mature, concise manner, or conduct yourself properly without all the degrading insulting labels, don't expect me to post anything more to you about anything.
I want to clarify, queenofnines, God is not being "smeared in your face" on these forums, at least.
I just want to thank amyrouse and queen for setting the record straight on the founding of this country. It is way too much for my brain to handle right now, but you both brought out points that immediately went through MY mind last night when I read what was written about it being almost completely 'religious' in nature. TY both. ;)
Did you go to Amy's first site that she posted? Most of these men were God Fearing.
Just because you've been in European countries doesn't mean you've been in any I'm talking about.
Hmm, well you didn't say which ones you were talking about. Did *I* say I've only been to Europe? No, no I didn't.QuoteHow about some Middle Eastern countries?
Egypt. Not quite the Middle East, but third-world conditions nonetheless. And my husband has lived in the Middle East.QuoteCommunist controlled countries?
I plan to visit China soon.QuoteI find it hard to believe you lived in 20 countries in 2.5 years.
Proof in the pudding that y'all don't read very carefully. I didn't say I "lived" in 20 countries in 2.5 years!QuoteI don't appreciate being called silly, bigoted, arrogant, delusional, deceitful, or ignorant by you qon (I'm adding some of these from another post also that you directed towards me).
Well being called "silly" is me being trying to be fake-respectful of a person (that's pretty tame, so what are you complaining about?).
Bigoted? No, that was to people with your beliefs about gays in general. YOU took it personally. Same thing with arrogant.
Delusional? Again, I try to keep tabs on outright name-calling. You'll notice that if I do use a word like this, it's conditional. You're delusional IF... I'm sure that makes no difference to you, though. Being criticized by others is not a nice feeling, especially if they're justified in the criticism. :(
Deceitful? I think you just invented that one. I don't recall saying this a lot.
Ignorant? Again, this word speaks truth. Constructive criticism.QuoteI don't know if you have any idea how you come across on this forum.
Sure I do. Unlike most people, I've very objective, can get inside people's heads, and thus, know what your perceived opinion is of me. Again I go back to the point that you're taking the passion and bluntness way too personally.QuoteNot one Christian has done this to you......not one.
They sure have. Unless you've been policing all 800 of my posts, I think I have a better idea than you do of how how Christians speak to me and others. I've had many people tell me they appreciate my posts...and I have plenty of believer friends on here. Just not you.QuoteIf you can't address me in an mature, concise manner, or conduct yourself properly without all the degrading insulting labels, don't expect me to post anything more to you about anything.
Heh, you sure like to scold strangers don't you, Ms. Judgment? I highly doubt you'll be able to resist jumping into the discussions I'm involved in, but if by some "miracle" you can, you won't be missed.
I just want to thank amyrouse and queen for setting the record straight on the founding of this country. It is way too much for my brain to handle right now, but you both brought out points that immediately went through MY mind last night when I read what was written about it being almost completely 'religious' in nature. TY both. ;)
Did you go to Amy's first site that she posted? Most of these men were God Fearing.
Yes, I did, and I am aware that they were/are. That is precisely WHY I said "being almost completely religious in nature."
Intimidation is a tool used by highly insecure people who want desperately to control. It's weak character.
Now....can you provide me with the statistics I asked for about the Atheistic countries being happier than Christian ones? This does highly interest me.
Why is it disgraceful?
Do you even know what a New World Order means?
I just want to thank amyrouse and queen for setting the record straight on the founding of this country. It is way too much for my brain to handle right now, but you both brought out points that immediately went through MY mind last night when I read what was written about it being almost completely 'religious' in nature. TY both. ;)
Did you go to Amy's first site that she posted? Most of these men were God Fearing.
Yes, I did, and I am aware that they were/are. That is precisely WHY I said "being almost completely religious in nature."
Uh, so how did Amy and qon prove their point? This is a list of our Founding Fathers that were Christians, and were instrumental in forming our new country. I don't believe Amy disagreed by the way. After all, she did post the site. If I remember right, you were on the "nay" side?
I just want to thank amyrouse and queen for setting the record straight on the founding of this country. It is way too much for my brain to handle right now, but you both brought out points that immediately went through MY mind last night when I read what was written about it being almost completely 'religious' in nature. TY both. ;)
Did you go to Amy's first site that she posted? Most of these men were God Fearing.
Yes, I did, and I am aware that they were/are. That is precisely WHY I said "being almost completely religious in nature."
Uh, so how did Amy and qon prove their point? This is a list of our Founding Fathers that were Christians, and were instrumental in forming our new country. I don't believe Amy disagreed by the way. After all, she did post the site. If I remember right, you were on the "nay" side?
They both referenced many things that pointed out a difference as to what you had stated, so I guess in my thinking that showed it was NOT all founded on religion.
"If I remember right, you were on the "nay" side?"
Huh? What are you talking about? After your initial post (#242837), I said nothing other than to Walks re a link. I haven't said anything about the founding and/or the Constitution. Unless you mean something else, you better check your memory.
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Why is it disgraceful?
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It's disrespectful and unconstitutional to try and claim that a specific religious dogma should/does run our nation.
No one said they are running our nation - they're too busy trying to stomp Christianity in the ground. What was said was the country (other than Indians living here) was BUILT on Christian morals and principles.
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Do you even know what a New World Order means?
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Of course. But I'd have to use the word "delusional" again to talk about it.
The New World Order spoken of is NOT delusional. It is coming and will not be what you want to be a part of.
Intimidation is a tool used by highly insecure people who want desperately to control. It's weak character.
OR what appears to be "intimidation" can also be the reader not understanding intelligent points. Which is the case in anything "intimidating" I write on this forum, because I'm most certainly not insecure nor seeking control. ;)QuoteNow....can you provide me with the statistics I asked for about the Atheistic countries being happier than Christian ones? This does highly interest me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdtwTeBPYQA
and also directly on their website: http://www.visionofhumanity.org/gpi-data/#/2010/scor
Notice in 2007 and 2008, the U.S. ranked in the top two WORST colors for peace. Atheistic Europe, on the other hand, has always been green. ;DQuoteWhy is it disgraceful?
It's disrespectful and unconstitutional to try and claim that a specific religious dogma should/does run our nation.QuoteDo you even know what a New World Order means?
Of course. But I'd have to use the word "delusional" again to talk about it.
Thanks, Annella. However, yours go into a lot more detail. I'm just trying to get to the petty points that are being made that either show ignorance or opinionation, or just out-and-out put-down comments that need to be addressed right back. :star:Quote from Annella:
Why is it disgraceful?
Quote from queenofnines:
It's disrespectful and unconstitutional to try and claim that a specific religious dogma should/does run our nation.
No one said they are running our nation - they're too busy trying to stomp Christianity in the ground. What was said was the country (other than Indians living here) was BUILT on Christian morals and principles.
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Do you even know what a New World Order means?
Quote from queenofnines:
Of course. But I'd have to use the word "delusional" again to talk about it.
The New World Order spoken of is NOT delusional. It is coming and will not be what you want to be a part of.
Thank you Jcribb. I'm also answering posts on another thread, and I'm getting pretty fried without any real sleep for 26 hours.
Your posts are so to the point, and much more explanatory than mine. :heart:
Thanks, Annella. However, yours go into a lot more detail. I'm just trying to get to the petty points that are being made that either show ignorance or opinionation, or just out-and-out put-down comments that need to be addressed right back. :star:Quote from Annella:
Why is it disgraceful?
Quote from queenofnines:
It's disrespectful and unconstitutional to try and claim that a specific religious dogma should/does run our nation.
No one said they are running our nation - they're too busy trying to stomp Christianity in the ground. What was said was the country (other than Indians living here) was BUILT on Christian morals and principles.
Quote from Annella
Do you even know what a New World Order means?
Quote from queenofnines:
Of course. But I'd have to use the word "delusional" again to talk about it.
The New World Order spoken of is NOT delusional. It is coming and will not be what you want to be a part of.
Thank you Jcribb. I'm also answering posts on another thread, and I'm getting pretty fried without any real sleep for 26 hours.
Your posts are so to the point, and much more explanatory than mine. :heart:
Hey! That was uncalled for. I get your understanding just fine. You don't have to insult my intelligence. Honestly qon, why can't you post without being insulting?
Religion needs to stay on the front burner, not in the past....Hey! That was uncalled for. I get your understanding just fine. You don't have to insult my intelligence. Honestly qon, why can't you post without being insulting?
Why do you take everything I say personally? The idea of an Anti-christ embodying our American president and leading the world to its demise is crazy talk to anyone who's outside the cult. That's all.
As for the nation being founded on Christianity, you can go on believing that all you want. Even if it were true (which it's not), it makes no difference on how we should run our country TODAY. Religion loves to keep us in the past...
Hey! That was uncalled for. I get your understanding just fine. You don't have to insult my intelligence. Honestly qon, why can't you post without being insulting?
Why do you take everything I say personally? The idea of an Anti-christ embodying our American president and leading the world to its demise is crazy talk to anyone who's outside the cult. That's all.
As for the nation being founded on Christianity, you can go on believing that all you want. Even if it were true (which it's not), it makes no difference on how we should run our country TODAY. Religion loves to keep us in the past...
Religion needs to stay on the front burner, not in the past....Hey! That was uncalled for. I get your understanding just fine. You don't have to insult my intelligence. Honestly qon, why can't you post without being insulting?
Why do you take everything I say personally? The idea of an Anti-christ embodying our American president and leading the world to its demise is crazy talk to anyone who's outside the cult. That's all.
As for the nation being founded on Christianity, you can go on believing that all you want. Even if it were true (which it's not), it makes no difference on how we should run our country TODAY. Religion loves to keep us in the past...
For the religion of the founding fathers: http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html
As for Thomas Paine...check out The Age of Reason. He is usually cited as the most outspoken against religion.
And, queenofnines is correct about the quotes... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-47a0EHz_hw
Okay, so according to your first site, they all seemed to have a Christian religion they followed. My breakdown in the book I have is a bit different. "Chronicles in US History". Guess where I got it.........in Israel!!!! lol lol lol There was the best book shop near the Old City that had the best books. Religious and otherwise.
That seems to be the way it is on the forums and in life...Yeah, if you believe in God, you're not intelligent...so just die...hahaha well maybe atheists don't want you to die but they will have fun making fun of you. :wave:
Oh boy...seems I need to do some clarification here.
The founding fathers were mostly spiritual/religious men. They did not, however, write the constitution with Christian morals in mind. Much of what is written in the constitution is inspired by Plato's Republic.
I never considered myself a retard, however, I not only believe in God I am staking my LIFE that God is there and he will always take care of me... does this mean I don't have problems, no, problems are a part of life and I am a stronger person because of those problems. I'm sorry you don't have my strength to believe in something you cannot see and I can't see the air I breath but I believe in it too!
For the religion of the founding fathers: http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html
As for Thomas Paine...check out The Age of Reason. He is usually cited as the most outspoken against religion.
And, queenofnines is correct about the quotes... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-47a0EHz_hw
Okay, so according to your first site, they all seemed to have a Christian religion they followed. My breakdown in the book I have is a bit different. "Chronicles in US History". Guess where I got it.........in Israel!!!! lol lol lol There was the best book shop near the Old City that had the best books. Religious and otherwise.
I am, for lack of a better word, envious that you have been to Israel. I would love to go...and in fact, the first year of rabbinical school is spent in Israel. The thought of it both scares and excites me.
founding fathers "practiced" and "followed" a gathering of believers.
Nobody can dispute that our first President (good old George) was a deeply religious man.
Quotefounding fathers "practiced" and "followed" a gathering of believers.
I'm not looking for a massive debate here- just your personal take on this. My question to you is would there have ever been a revolutionary war if the founding fathers followed the bible? You may accuse me of taking these out of context or these verses were only to be followed during the time, but I think these speak for themselves-
1 Peter 2:13: "For the Lord's sake accept the authority of every human institution, whether of the emperor as supreme, or of governors, as sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to praise those who do right."
Romans 13:1: "Let every person be subject to the governing authorities; for there is no authority except from God, and those authorities that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resist authority resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment."QuoteNobody can dispute that our first President (good old George) was a deeply religious man.
Quite the contrary! I've done a lot of research on this man since he...well...he's such a badass! lol Not to jolt the argument aside here, but George being a religious man is a very debatable subject. Despite fighting for those freedoms, it is my opinion that he wasn't very religious. I've read accounts that he only went to church to please his wife. Other accounts say he frequently went to church during trips just to seem normal among people. And even then he didn't go much-- he was either too busy with business or the distance needed to travel was too far. There were even accounts of him just standing outside of the church during sunday mass and walking around. So yes, completely debatable.
Quotefounding fathers "practiced" and "followed" a gathering of believers.
I'm not looking for a massive debate here- just your personal take on this. My question to you is would there have ever been a revolutionary war if the founding fathers followed the bible? You may accuse me of taking these out of context or these verses were only to be followed during the time, but I think these speak for themselves-
1 Peter 2:13: "For the Lord's sake accept the authority of every human institution, whether of the emperor as supreme, or of governors, as sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to praise those who do right."
Romans 13:1: "Let every person be subject to the governing authorities; for there is no authority except from God, and those authorities that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resist authority resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment."QuoteNobody can dispute that our first President (good old George) was a deeply religious man.
Quite the contrary! I've done a lot of research on this man since he...well...he's such a badass! lol Not to jolt the argument aside here, but George being a religious man is a very debatable subject. Despite fighting for those freedoms, it is my opinion that he wasn't very religious. I've read accounts that he only went to church to please his wife. Other accounts say he frequently went to church during trips just to seem normal among people. And even then he didn't go much-- he was either too busy with business or the distance needed to travel was too far. There were even accounts of him just standing outside of the church during sunday mass and walking around. So yes, completely debatable.
Our Nation started out with Christians living in it.
We give thanks on that day just like the colonists (Pilgrims) because of the blessings of God on them.
the people who came to our great Nation and settled here were God fearing, and lived their lives accordingly.
Nobody can dispute that our first President (good old George) was a deeply religious man.
those laws do not dictate the laws of a man's soul....God does. If the Government made one religion and church that dictates we don't teach from the Bible, but only from DC Comics, I would have to follow the Word of God and rebel. Scripture backs me up in this, as God's law is over man's.
those laws do not dictate the laws of a man's soul....God does. If the Government made one religion and church that dictates we don't teach from the Bible, but only from DC Comics, I would have to follow the Word of God and rebel. Scripture backs me up in this, as God's law is over man's.
Uh-oh! You see, this kind of talk is EXACTLY why religion is scary.
I watched a funny video recently, "10 Positive Things About Religion" and #2 was: You're only accountable to a non-existent deity - you can get away with anything. Good comeback when y'all like to try to play the morality card. ;)
those laws do not dictate the laws of a man's soul....God does. If the Government made one religion and church that dictates we don't teach from the Bible, but only from DC Comics, I would have to follow the Word of God and rebel. Scripture backs me up in this, as God's law is over man's.
Uh-oh! You see, this kind of talk is EXACTLY why religion is scary.
I watched a funny video recently, "10 Positive Things About Religion" and #2 was: You're only accountable to a non-existent deity - you can get away with anything. Good comeback when y'all like to try to play the morality card. ;)
Okay, people who believe in God don't feel they are accountable to something nonexistent. They believe they are accountable to the most powerful force, a force that can control where they spend eternity, YOU consider it non-existent, but most Christians are somewhat God-fearing.
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Yet for the current revisionists who have made it their goal to assert that America was founded as a secular nation by secular individuals and that the only hope for America's longevity rests in her continued secularism, George Washington's faith must be sacrificed on the altar of their secularist agenda.
Do you realize what you posted here? Yes, it came from the link I posted, and this quote adequately says the truth in that whatever people try to say about George Washington's faith (even his own family who lived with and around him and saw him) will be stomped into the ground by non-believers. Give the man the benefit of the doubt - he was known for his thoughtfulness of his workers, generosity for his family and friends, supporter of church and church activities, and believer of Christ.
Yes, Annella, you are so right! :thumbsup:Quote from Falconer:
Yet for the current revisionists who have made it their goal to assert that America was founded as a secular nation by secular individuals and that the only hope for America's longevity rests in her continued secularism, George Washington's faith must be sacrificed on the altar of their secularist agenda.
Do you realize what you posted here? Yes, it came from the link I posted, and this quote adequately says the truth in that whatever people try to say about George Washington's faith (even his own family who lived with and around him and saw him) will be stomped into the ground by non-believers. Give the man the benefit of the doubt - he was known for his thoughtfulness of his workers, generosity for his family and friends, supporter of church and church activities, and believer of Christ.
Hey J, good post. Do you wonder what will be said about us as Christians 200 years down the road (if the world is still here) by non believers? What do we care, as we'll certainly be in a better place. :angel11:
Give the man the benefit of the doubt - he was known for his thoughtfulness of his workers, generosity for his family and friends, supporter of church and church activities, and believer of Christ.
Do you wonder what will be said about us as Christians 200 years down the road (if the world is still here) by non believers? What do we care, as we'll certainly be in a better place.
Good point, Marie! :thumbsup:Bad things happen though. Why? People make foolish decisions every day of their lives, taking advantage of the free will given to us by God. So why did God let this happen? If he didn’t, the freedom he has passed to us as human beings would not exist.
I've already explained that this excuse doesn't fly. GOOD parents don't let their kids have free will over everything for their own safety. So what is god's problem?
Kids have free will! Ever had a teenager sneak out at night or take your car for a joyride?
Give the man the benefit of the doubt - he was known for his thoughtfulness of his workers, generosity for his family and friends, supporter of church and church activities, and believer of Christ.
And you owe so much in your life to atheists, you don't even know it. Like, oh, the discovery of DNA. But who needs science, right?
Give the man the benefit of the doubt - he was known for his thoughtfulness of his workers, generosity for his family and friends, supporter of church and church activities, and believer of Christ.
And you owe so much in your life to atheists, you don't even know it. Like, oh, the discovery of DNA. But who needs science, right?QuoteDo you wonder what will be said about us as Christians 200 years down the road (if the world is still here) by non believers? What do we care, as we'll certainly be in a better place.
Actually, at the current trends of decline, Christianity will be extinct in 200 years. People who subscribe to some sort of religion then will have the same amount of credibility (none) as those who believe in ghosts and tarot cards do today. And you'll be dead.
Whoops, too insensitive?
science has NOT proven there is no God.
there are plenty of scientists that aren't atheist and saying scientists are atheists is a huge generalization.
I highly doubt Christianity will be extinct in 200 years, hah.
it's ridiculous to say that believers in religion will be in the same category as psychics. However, plenty of people believe in ghosts and tarot cards and all that too.
science has NOT proven there is no God.
Broken record: Religion has never proven a god exists. It is the group making the claim who has the burden of proof.Quotethere are plenty of scientists that aren't atheist and saying scientists are atheists is a huge generalization.
Fact: 92+% of the National Academy of Scientists don't believe in a personal god. It's not just a generalization, it's a solid statistic. If you think 8% of scientists being believers is "plenty", okay then.QuoteI highly doubt Christianity will be extinct in 200 years, hah.
And to this I redirect you to the handy-dandy chart I posted in this thread: http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=17836.msg222504#msg222504Quoteit's ridiculous to say that believers in religion will be in the same category as psychics. However, plenty of people believe in ghosts and tarot cards and all that too.
They most certainly will be. Technology is only going to increase exponentially; so is our scientific understanding. It's inevitable -- people will be laughing at our primitive generation in a few hundred years. Unless Islam takes over. :confused1:
As for "plenty of people" believing in ghosts and other nonsense in this day and age, among rational adults, they are a minority. If some guy starts talking about the healing powers of his crystal collection in the lunchroom, he's going to get looked at funny.
When science can't account for something they even call it the God factor, or credit it to Creation, even in textbooks I've had for classes I've seen this. SCIENCE has the burden to prove the world was created another way if they want to disprove Christianity- we have the Bible.
I think if scientists with a materialist agenda want to assert that God WASN'T the cause, they have a burden of proving what the cause was. They can't. That's one gap that won't ever have a legitimate answer from their group because God WAS the cause.
Just because a scientist doesn't believe in a personal God doesn't mean they don't believe in SOME FORM of higher power.
When science can't account for something they even call it the God factor, or credit it to Creation, even in textbooks I've had for classes I've seen this.
There are plenty of people who don't believe we even landed on the moon.
The point is, we have our proof, you just choose not to agree with it.
If a book was found that said a meteor exploded and the earth formed with monkeys on it that turned into humans it would be considered proof, but since the Book says there is a God you write it off as being bologna.
we believe what we believe, so we don't have to prove our God to you.
Even if we did you wouldn't believe it.
You do if you're running around telling people they will burn in hell for all eternity if they don't accept your invisible friend.LOL
Issac Newton believed that the bible had a hidden message from God in it...oh and predicted the end of the world in 2060. You know Issac Newton was like one of the top two Scientists, EVER!!
QuoteWhen science can't account for something they even call it the God factor, or credit it to Creation, even in textbooks I've had for classes I've seen this. SCIENCE has the burden to prove the world was created another way if they want to disprove Christianity- we have the Bible.
It's the standard 'god of the gaps' theory/logic, it has been used for many years, and has been referred to by myself, queen, and Falconer that I know of. The one thing you all fail to realize is that science does NOT bear the burden of proof as to whether there is a God and proving that creation happened. That requires starting from a basis of nothing and 'nothingness' is NOT within the domain of science, but is within the domain of religion and creationists - so that puts the proving on you, the religious.
I didn't say it made him a "full-blooded" Christian! Just accept the facts as they are that he had some kind of fellowship with his Lord aka Maker aka Creator, etc. and was exemplary in his character, for the most part, and was popular enough for citizens to have wanted him to be president again, and the last time, he had to say no for health and other reasons. Good grief, people do like to make mountains out of mole hills.....
LOL
I may be a retard as you put it but at least I'm going to heaven who knows were your going!
The Bible, you just choose not to accept it as proof. However, you cannot prove your belief of how the world was created either.
Just because a scientist doesn't believe in a personal God doesn't mean they don't believe in SOME FORM of higher power.
And there ya go -- always so quick to throw poor Jesus under the bus. :'( "Believe in a mushy higher power in general, but whatever you do, DON'T be an atheist! Heavens no! I'll get to converting you to Jesus later..."QuoteWhen science can't account for something they even call it the God factor, or credit it to Creation, even in textbooks I've had for classes I've seen this.
It's called a metaphor. I myself speak of god often...like when coincidences happen. As a joke. It's nothing to take seriously.QuoteThere are plenty of people who don't believe we even landed on the moon.
And those would be the loony bins I was referring to earlier.QuoteThe point is, we have our proof, you just choose not to agree with it.
Your proof does not qualify as real proof, though. That's the problem.QuoteIf a book was found that said a meteor exploded and the earth formed with monkeys on it that turned into humans it would be considered proof, but since the Book says there is a God you write it off as being bologna.
Wow. This is the silliest thing I've seen you write thus far. Scientists do not just find books and treat them as fact - they need to pass the scrutiny of reality. Which the Bible doesn't. The fact that there's a being called "god" in it has nothing to do with it.
Ironically, it is BECAUSE you have a book that has a being called "god" in it that you think it must be true. Like people have never fabricated stories about god beings throughout history...oh wait, they have!
Explain to me why the Koran isn't true?Quotewe believe what we believe, so we don't have to prove our God to you.
You do if you're trying to force your beliefs on society at large...which Christianity is. You do if you're running around telling people they will burn in hell for all eternity if they don't accept your invisible friend.QuoteEven if we did you wouldn't believe it.
If you gave actual real evidence, I most certainly would.
Atheism would be the opposite of keeping the options open.QuoteThe Bible, you just choose not to accept it as proof. However, you cannot prove your belief of how the world was created either.
Yes, because all of the fantasy stories written by primitive peoples are completely legit and that should be proof enough. You should really think about what you're saying here. We can't prove anything because we weren't there, though we keep options open. You don't.
http://www.jamesrb.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/2007-01-15-science-vs-faith.png
7th, whatever evidence I provide will not be considered credible by you I'm sure, but how dare anyone do that with any form of science right? Science has been wrong plenty of times.
I've NEVER told anyone they are going to burn in hell so don't know where that came from. The only person I've ever heard say that on here is Marie.
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I didn't say it made him a "full-blooded" Christian! Just accept the facts as they are that he had some kind of fellowship with his Lord aka Maker aka Creator, etc. and was exemplary in his character, for the most part, and was popular enough for citizens to have wanted him to be president again, and the last time, he had to say no for health and other reasons. Good grief, people do like to make mountains out of mole hills.....
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Lololol yeah. And here I didn't want to turn this thing into a big debate! But your Christian Answers source pretty much said this. I just wanted it to be clear because there was preconcieved notion that he was completely christian.I
Falconer, I gave you a link that you didn't approve of because it was a Christian site. You gave me a link that would back your side. I researched that link that backed you in some respects and me in the Christian life of Washington. Yet all of a sudden that link isn't good either (your words: put it in the retard file) because it backed the fact that Washington WAS a Christian. Can't handle the idea that some of your research, deep down delving in it, may disagree with your non-christian belief of Washington? Like I said earlier, just accept the facts as they are, and move on.
Thank you, Annella! The teacher part of me is always trying to take over the front burner! :)Quote from jcribb:
I didn't say it made him a "full-blooded" Christian! Just accept the facts as they are that he had some kind of fellowship with his Lord aka Maker aka Creator, etc. and was exemplary in his character, for the most part, and was popular enough for citizens to have wanted him to be president again, and the last time, he had to say no for health and other reasons. Good grief, people do like to make mountains out of mole hills.....
Quote from Falconer:
Lololol yeah. And here I didn't want to turn this thing into a big debate! But your Christian Answers source pretty much said this. I just wanted it to be clear because there was preconcieved notion that he was completely christian.I
Falconer, I gave you a link that you didn't approve of because it was a Christian site. You gave me a link that would back your side. I researched that link that backed you in some respects and me in the Christian life of Washington. Yet all of a sudden that link isn't good either (your words: put it in the retard file) because it backed the fact that Washington WAS a Christian. Can't handle the idea that some of your research, deep down delving in it, may disagree with your non-christian belief of Washington? Like I said earlier, just accept the facts as they are, and move on.
J, I've read all your postings and they were wonderful. Must be the teacher in you. All the sites I get from qon also is from the "atheistic experience", to prove her points. What about good old fashioned books? History or otherwise. I, for one, am not a big fan of YouTube for my proof of Truth. Anybody can say anything and make a video.
Falconer, I gave you a link that you didn't approve of because it was a Christian site. You gave me a link that would back your side. I researched that link that backed you in some respects and me in the Christian life of Washington. Yet all of a sudden that link isn't good either (your words: put it in the retard file) because it backed the fact that Washington WAS a Christian. Can't handle the idea that some of your research, deep down delving in it, may disagree with your non-christian belief of Washington? Like I said earlier, just accept the facts as they are, and move on.
I've read all your postings and they were wonderful. Must be the teacher in you. All the sites I get from qon also is from the "atheistic experience", to prove her points. What about good old fashioned books? History or otherwise. I, for one, am not a big fan of YouTube for my proof of Truth. Anybody can say anything and make a video.
Many of the links she posts are free-thinker sites. And if a utube vid makes one think or generates a good question, I see no real problem.
Many of the links she posts are free-thinker sites. And if a utube vid makes one think or generates a good question, I see no real problem.
QuoteFalconer, I gave you a link that you didn't approve of because it was a Christian site. You gave me a link that would back your side. I researched that link that backed you in some respects and me in the Christian life of Washington. Yet all of a sudden that link isn't good either (your words: put it in the retard file) because it backed the fact that Washington WAS a Christian. Can't handle the idea that some of your research, deep down delving in it, may disagree with your non-christian belief of Washington? Like I said earlier, just accept the facts as they are, and move on.
Woah there- maybe the words got jumbled up. When I said retard I wrote the retard thread referring to this thread. I never said anything about the link being retarded. And it's true; he might have been christian, but there is only small aspects here and there referring to it. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Was_George_Washington_a_Christian He may have been, but without a doubt he was not a hardcore devout christian-- which was my point in this argument. That's all. It's just my opinion that he was a deist considering some of his later writings and what his close gov't pals thought.QuoteI've read all your postings and they were wonderful. Must be the teacher in you. All the sites I get from qon also is from the "atheistic experience", to prove her points. What about good old fashioned books? History or otherwise. I, for one, am not a big fan of YouTube for my proof of Truth. Anybody can say anything and make a video.
Many of the links she posts are free-thinker sites. And if a utube vid makes one think or generates a good question, I see no real problem.
Right because someone who believes there is NO God is a free-thinker, but if you believe in one you must not be. Any site supporting atheism is a free-thinker site. Hypocrisy at its finest.
Thanks, Falconer, for clarifying the "retard" thread part. It makes perfect sense now. And I would like to say thank you for at least acknowledging that he was or in your opinion, may have been a Christian. The main point is, whether he was devout or lukewarm, etc. at least we know he was by accounts given.QuoteFalconer, I gave you a link that you didn't approve of because it was a Christian site. You gave me a link that would back your side. I researched that link that backed you in some respects and me in the Christian life of Washington. Yet all of a sudden that link isn't good either (your words: put it in the retard file) because it backed the fact that Washington WAS a Christian. Can't handle the idea that some of your research, deep down delving in it, may disagree with your non-christian belief of Washington? Like I said earlier, just accept the facts as they are, and move on.
Woah there- maybe the words got jumbled up. When I said retard I wrote the retard thread referring to this thread. I never said anything about the link being retarded. And it's true; he might have been christian, but there is only small aspects here and there referring to it. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Was_George_Washington_a_Christian He may have been, but without a doubt he was not a hardcore devout christian-- which was my point in this argument. That's all. It's just my opinion that he was a deist considering some of his later writings and what his close gov't pals thought.QuoteI've read all your postings and they were wonderful. Must be the teacher in you. All the sites I get from qon also is from the "atheistic experience", to prove her points. What about good old fashioned books? History or otherwise. I, for one, am not a big fan of YouTube for my proof of Truth. Anybody can say anything and make a video.
Many of the links she posts are free-thinker sites. And if a utube vid makes one think or generates a good question, I see no real problem.
So any religion you think might be valid?QuoteRight because someone who believes there is NO God is a free-thinker, but if you believe in one you must not be. Any site supporting atheism is a free-thinker site. Hypocrisy at its finest.
Quick to assume, eh? No, a free thinker has all rights to believe in any god they want as long as philosophies are not ensnared by the controlling religious belief system. It's pretty much the avoidance of questionable authority that are dictating certain views.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought
Obviously atheism and free-thinking have similarities, but they are not the same item.
Thanks, Falconer, for clarifying the "retard" thread part. It makes perfect sense now. And I would like to say thank you for at least acknowledging that he was or in your opinion, may have been a Christian. The main point is, whether he was devout or lukewarm, etc. at least we know he was by accounts given.QuoteFalconer, I gave you a link that you didn't approve of because it was a Christian site. You gave me a link that would back your side. I researched that link that backed you in some respects and me in the Christian life of Washington. Yet all of a sudden that link isn't good either (your words: put it in the retard file) because it backed the fact that Washington WAS a Christian. Can't handle the idea that some of your research, deep down delving in it, may disagree with your non-christian belief of Washington? Like I said earlier, just accept the facts as they are, and move on.
Woah there- maybe the words got jumbled up. When I said retard I wrote the retard thread referring to this thread. I never said anything about the link being retarded. And it's true; he might have been christian, but there is only small aspects here and there referring to it. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Was_George_Washington_a_Christian He may have been, but without a doubt he was not a hardcore devout christian-- which was my point in this argument. That's all. It's just my opinion that he was a deist considering some of his later writings and what his close gov't pals thought.QuoteI've read all your postings and they were wonderful. Must be the teacher in you. All the sites I get from qon also is from the "atheistic experience", to prove her points. What about good old fashioned books? History or otherwise. I, for one, am not a big fan of YouTube for my proof of Truth. Anybody can say anything and make a video.
Many of the links she posts are free-thinker sites. And if a utube vid makes one think or generates a good question, I see no real problem.
So any religion you think might be valid?
Thanks, Falconer, for clarifying the "retard" thread part. It makes perfect sense now. And I would like to say thank you for at least acknowledging that he was or in your opinion, may have been a Christian.
There apparently is only a problem when a person who believes in God posts a link to anything that supports their belief and expects it to be taken seriously
However, you have slammed our sites that we refer to. Isn't that kind of a double standard?
QuoteSo any religion you think might be valid?
Yessir! Call it convenient, but agnostics hold that you cannot know if there is a deity or deities out there. Therefore any concept of one is a possibility. But also understand this does not eliminate an invisible purple dragon god who likes marshmellows either. There's an infinite amount of possibilities and christianity is just one of them. It's pretty much embracing a mystery. The reason I argue so much on here is because people push and assert that they know who this deity is without irrefutable proof. I could go on and on, but I think you get the picture.QuoteThanks, Falconer, for clarifying the "retard" thread part. It makes perfect sense now. And I would like to say thank you for at least acknowledging that he was or in your opinion, may have been a Christian.
No prob!QuoteThere apparently is only a problem when a person who believes in God posts a link to anything that supports their belief and expects it to be taken seriouslyQuoteHowever, you have slammed our sites that we refer to. Isn't that kind of a double standard?
When you can convince minds that every god out there is wrong and made up and that your single deity is right and show viable proof of its existence, then chins will be rubbed. Is it a double standard with the videos? Perhaps...call it an opinion, but all the "atheist" videos I see just crumble the foundation of magical thinking.
QuoteSo any religion you think might be valid?
Yessir! Call it convenient, but agnostics hold that you cannot know if there is a deity or deities out there. Therefore any concept of one is a possibility. But also understand this does not eliminate an invisible purple dragon god who likes marshmellows either. There's an infinite amount of possibilities and christianity is just one of them. It's pretty much embracing a mystery. The reason I argue so much on here is because people push and assert that they know who this deity is without irrefutable proof. I could go on and on, but I think you get the picture.QuoteThanks, Falconer, for clarifying the "retard" thread part. It makes perfect sense now. And I would like to say thank you for at least acknowledging that he was or in your opinion, may have been a Christian.
No prob!QuoteThere apparently is only a problem when a person who believes in God posts a link to anything that supports their belief and expects it to be taken seriouslyQuoteHowever, you have slammed our sites that we refer to. Isn't that kind of a double standard?
When you can convince minds that every god out there is wrong and made up and that your single deity is right and show viable proof of its existence, then chins will be rubbed. Is it a double standard with the videos? Perhaps...call it an opinion, but all the "atheist" videos I see just crumble the foundation of magical thinking.
Magical thinking? Oh I see.....so no matter what we bring to the table will not convince you, but what atheists bring to the table does? Then why call yourself an Agnostic, when your view clearly favors the atheistic side. Unless you think your keeping all your options open.......just in case? LOL
When you asked me about a couple Bible scriptures yesterday, were you serious, or just trying to "catch" me in something that I believe? Do you believe the Bible, or is it just a tool to wield for your pleasure of attacking Christians? Or is Christianity something that you think "might" be the Truth, but your not willing to actually make any commitment on it per adventure you may "offend" another so called god? Don't take this as sarcasm, I'm actually wondering just where you stand. BTW, you said you would get back to me on my response.
I think some of you want to be deluded to the point of never admitting your wrong, even though you may even have secretly come to the conclusion you are. Since I can't see the seat of your emotions or thought.....it's just a guess.
So only agnostics are open-minded? Everyone else is close-minded and not a free-thinker? haha
QuoteMagical thinking? Oh I see.....so no matter what we bring to the table will not convince you, but what atheists bring to the table does? Then why call yourself an Agnostic, when your view clearly favors the atheistic side. Unless you think your keeping all your options open.......just in case? LOL
Hahaha! Well the reason I believe it's a good spot to be in is because my views favor reality; no fantasy and dogma is really required. I can live my life without thinking I'm going to burn in some mythical place or that I should only be nice because some god is watching. Keeping my options open? If we're talking infinite possibilities, you betcha! ;) You get to see everyones beliefs on a broader spectrum. Sherna and I have been in a conversation/argument before about faith-based beliefs and speculation. I nod at the concept of your beliefs, but I honestly don't believe in them because even though they've survived a long time (as others have) and they have fine individuals stemming from them, they still dabble in the realm of fantasy far too much among other things. Edit: Oh and just for reference there are many different types of agnostic terms.QuoteWhen you asked me about a couple Bible scriptures yesterday, were you serious, or just trying to "catch" me in something that I believe? Do you believe the Bible, or is it just a tool to wield for your pleasure of attacking Christians? Or is Christianity something that you think "might" be the Truth, but your not willing to actually make any commitment on it per adventure you may "offend" another so called god? Don't take this as sarcasm, I'm actually wondering just where you stand. BTW, you said you would get back to me on my response.
To answer your questions in order- Serious? Admittedly I stole those from another forum as I was reading pages of threads similar to these. I thought the user brought up some good points with them so I wanted to hear your take since you seem to be such a leader of scriptural context. That's all-- thank you for your descriptive answer. Do I believe the bible? That would fall within your definition of belief. Believe the laws and morals? Some. Believe the historical significance? Sure! Believe in the fairy tales? No. Believe in Yahweh? No. And no, I'm not worried about offending any concept of a god. Considering my post history in D+D and that Poseidon hasn't drowned me yet, I think that much is certain.QuoteI think some of you want to be deluded to the point of never admitting your wrong, even though you may even have secretly come to the conclusion you are. Since I can't see the seat of your emotions or thought.....it's just a guess.
It is a fantastic feeling to know that you may be wrong about your beliefs when it comes to better understanding our world and the universe-- knowing that you could be on to more information that could benefit mankind in ways never conceived before with the new evidence given. That's why many hold science with such high regard and that's one reason why I don't align with a popular religion. Does this make sense? I'll answer anything to the best of my ability if you have further questions or if I left anything out.
QuoteSo only agnostics are open-minded? Everyone else is close-minded and not a free-thinker? haha
It's only closed when you assert or physically force beliefs onto individuals with nothing to realistically back it up (reason, logic) and say it's the only way of thinking. Anyone can be a free-thinker. I'm sure we can agree fanatics and extremists definitely aren't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought
Edit: And yes, I acknowledge imagination as being direly important in some cases.
QuoteSo only agnostics are open-minded? Everyone else is close-minded and not a free-thinker? haha
It's only closed when you assert or physically force beliefs onto individuals with nothing to realistically back it up (reason, logic) and say it's the only way of thinking. Anyone can be a free-thinker. I'm sure we can agree fanatics and extremists definitely aren't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought
Edit: And yes, I acknowledge imagination as being direly important in some cases.
I have NEVER forced my beliefs on someone. On this forum for the most part people of other beliefs are the ones who bring it up and try to degrade my choice of religion. I understand and acknowledge other religions and never claimed not to, doesn't mean I can't be a Christian through and through.
I agree! I don't even know how someone could feel that way, I've repeatedly just defended my God and my right to believe in him.QuoteSo only agnostics are open-minded? Everyone else is close-minded and not a free-thinker? haha
It's only closed when you assert or physically force beliefs onto individuals with nothing to realistically back it up (reason, logic) and say it's the only way of thinking. Anyone can be a free-thinker. I'm sure we can agree fanatics and extremists definitely aren't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought
Edit: And yes, I acknowledge imagination as being direly important in some cases.
I have NEVER forced my beliefs on someone. On this forum for the most part people of other beliefs are the ones who bring it up and try to degrade my choice of religion. I understand and acknowledge other religions and never claimed not to, doesn't mean I can't be a Christian through and through.
Mackenzie, no one that I know of on this forum (including you) has forced their religion or beliefs on anyone. That's another "catch phrase" to put you on the defensive. We are who we are, and content in that knowledge.
QuoteSo only agnostics are open-minded? Everyone else is close-minded and not a free-thinker? haha
It's only closed when you assert or physically force beliefs onto individuals with nothing to realistically back it up (reason, logic) and say it's the only way of thinking. Anyone can be a free-thinker. I'm sure we can agree fanatics and extremists definitely aren't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought
Edit: And yes, I acknowledge imagination as being direly important in some cases.
I have NEVER forced my beliefs on someone. On this forum for the most part people of other beliefs are the ones who bring it up and try to degrade my choice of religion. I understand and acknowledge other religions and never claimed not to, doesn't mean I can't be a Christian through and through.
Magical thinking?
Then why call yourself an Agnostic, when your view clearly favors the atheistic side.
I have NEVER forced my beliefs on someone. On this forum for the most part people of other beliefs are the ones who bring it up and try to degrade my choice of religion. I understand and acknowledge other religions and never claimed not to, doesn't mean I can't be a Christian through and through.
Thank you for your honesty. Your not quite the enigma. Just wondered what you believed, as you never seemed to light on one thing.
Ha Ha....you stole those scriptures from another forum to ask me....funny!
Poseidon...now that's magical thinking!
Science that tries to define the universe without a Creator, in many ways comes up short....and still is. If you want to target magical thinking, some of the theories some so called
Scientists come up with can be linked in that category.
Agnostics and atheists are buddies, yo! Atheists ARE agnostic and agnostics ARE atheist. An agnostic is ATHEIST when it comes to Yahweh and other defined gods because atheism deals with belief. An atheist can be AGNOSTIC when it comes to the possibility of undefined gods in general because it is the only logical position to take.
I have been off my computer for a couple days but have been trying to keep up with threads via my cell phone which I can't post from, so forgive me if I reply to something from an other thread. (Im not going back thru them all)QuoteSo only agnostics are open-minded? Everyone else is close-minded and not a free-thinker? haha
It's only closed when you assert or physically force beliefs onto individuals with nothing to realistically back it up (reason, logic) and say it's the only way of thinking. Anyone can be a free-thinker. I'm sure we can agree fanatics and extremists definitely aren't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought
Edit: And yes, I acknowledge imagination as being direly important in some cases.
I have NEVER forced my beliefs on someone. On this forum for the most part people of other beliefs are the ones who bring it up and try to degrade my choice of religion. I understand and acknowledge other religions and never claimed not to, doesn't mean I can't be a Christian through and through.
Mackenzie, no one that I know of on this forum (including you) has forced their religion or beliefs on anyone. That's another "catch phrase" to put you on the defensive. We are who we are, and content in that knowledge.
QuoteSo only agnostics are open-minded? Everyone else is close-minded and not a free-thinker? haha
It's only closed when you assert or physically force beliefs onto individuals with nothing to realistically back it up (reason, logic) and say it's the only way of thinking. Anyone can be a free-thinker. I'm sure we can agree fanatics and extremists definitely aren't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought
Edit: And yes, I acknowledge imagination as being direly important in some cases.
I have NEVER forced my beliefs on someone. On this forum for the most part people of other beliefs are the ones who bring it up and try to degrade my choice of religion. I understand and acknowledge other religions and never claimed not to, doesn't mean I can't be a Christian through and through.
NO Marie brings up all of these ignorant topic threads. Nobody degrades your religion again Marie does a good enough job herself in this area. And no one said you cannot be a christian. Be what you want to be, but don't go around pointing the finger when you cleary know who starts this crap.
Magical thinking?
Magical thinking! Five Biggest LIES About Christianity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAQTohoF718 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAQTohoF718)QuoteThen why call yourself an Agnostic, when your view clearly favors the atheistic side.
Agnostics and atheists are buddies, yo! Atheists ARE agnostic and agnostics ARE atheist. An agnostic is ATHEIST when it comes to Yahweh and other defined gods because atheism deals with belief. An atheist can be AGNOSTIC when it comes to the possibility of undefined gods in general because it is the only logical position to take.
So agnostics are not the cliche, "I don't know what I believe!" They actually are atheist when it comes to your god. ;)
I have been off my computer for a couple days but have been trying to keep up with threads via my cell phone which I can't post from, so forgive me if I reply to something from an other thread. (Im not going back thru them all)QuoteSo only agnostics are open-minded? Everyone else is close-minded and not a free-thinker? haha
It's only closed when you assert or physically force beliefs onto individuals with nothing to realistically back it up (reason, logic) and say it's the only way of thinking. Anyone can be a free-thinker. I'm sure we can agree fanatics and extremists definitely aren't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought
Edit: And yes, I acknowledge imagination as being direly important in some cases.
I have NEVER forced my beliefs on someone. On this forum for the most part people of other beliefs are the ones who bring it up and try to degrade my choice of religion. I understand and acknowledge other religions and never claimed not to, doesn't mean I can't be a Christian through and through.
Mackenzie, no one that I know of on this forum (including you) has forced their religion or beliefs on anyone. That's another "catch phrase" to put you on the defensive. We are who we are, and content in that knowledge.
First, concerning this thread, specifically, Rev Bigots posts right here......if you vote against equal gay rights, as you have often times stated you have, and will continue to do, then yes you most certainly are attempting to impose your own moral standards upon all others, its as simple as that.
Elsewhere, I saw you post that you do not judge others.
BS........thats bullshit, Daddy Mack.
Everyone who has an opinion on the behaviour of others are making a judgement call regardless of what we base it on.
Finally, you said something about members dissecting your every word and phrases.
You make it well know over and over that you are a Rev, in other words a teacher of Christian dogma, just as JDog is a school teacher, JC is a health professional and I speak on NDN issues. If we are going to put ourselves in the position of someone with supposed knowledge of our area of concern, we owe it to every other member to be very clear and precise of what we say. Many people dont worry with this important fact and a hell of a lot of usless and often times harmfull information gets out there this way.
You say you own all of your words, so don't go getting your bloomers all in a wad when someone points out that some of them are pretty damn incredulous.
(edit) oh yeah....bout forgot.....you said everyone lumps all Christians into one basket, or words to that effect.....
Not even close. One of my closest and dearest friends is a very devout Christian. Mrs. Sherna is Christian and I have great respect for her.....not because she is Christian, but because it is very evident, in my opinion based on what I have seen, that she is a very tolerant person of others and has much compassion and concerns for others besides her self, JC seems very respectable to me, I like Amy and Falconer and many others on here who have all kinds of differing beliefs. I don't give two squats what someone believes in I care about how they treat others.
A very wise Elder advised me not over a couple months ago, that if I wanted to know a bit about someone, just watch how they talk and notice how many times they reference themselves in a given conversation. You are pretty impressed with your self huh Rev. Bigot?
I know you are a girl....uhhhh scratch that, woman.I have been off my computer for a couple days but have been trying to keep up with threads via my cell phone which I can't post from, so forgive me if I reply to something from an other thread. (Im not going back thru them all)QuoteSo only agnostics are open-minded? Everyone else is close-minded and not a free-thinker? haha
It's only closed when you assert or physically force beliefs onto individuals with nothing to realistically back it up (reason, logic) and say it's the only way of thinking. Anyone can be a free-thinker. I'm sure we can agree fanatics and extremists definitely aren't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought
Edit: And yes, I acknowledge imagination as being direly important in some cases.
I have NEVER forced my beliefs on someone. On this forum for the most part people of other beliefs are the ones who bring it up and try to degrade my choice of religion. I understand and acknowledge other religions and never claimed not to, doesn't mean I can't be a Christian through and through.
Mackenzie, no one that I know of on this forum (including you) has forced their religion or beliefs on anyone. That's another "catch phrase" to put you on the defensive. We are who we are, and content in that knowledge.
First, concerning this thread, specifically, Rev Bigots posts right here......if you vote against equal gay rights, as you have often times stated you have, and will continue to do, then yes you most certainly are attempting to impose your own moral standards upon all others, its as simple as that.
Elsewhere, I saw you post that you do not judge others.
BS........thats bullshit, Daddy Mack.
Everyone who has an opinion on the behaviour of others are making a judgement call regardless of what we base it on.
Finally, you said something about members dissecting your every word and phrases.
You make it well know over and over that you are a Rev, in other words a teacher of Christian dogma, just as JDog is a school teacher, JC is a health professional and I speak on NDN issues. If we are going to put ourselves in the position of someone with supposed knowledge of our area of concern, we owe it to every other member to be very clear and precise of what we say. Many people dont worry with this important fact and a hell of a lot of usless and often times harmfull information gets out there this way.
You say you own all of your words, so don't go getting your bloomers all in a wad when someone points out that some of them are pretty damn incredulous.
(edit) oh yeah....bout forgot.....you said everyone lumps all Christians into one basket, or words to that effect.....
Not even close. One of my closest and dearest friends is a very devout Christian. Mrs. Sherna is Christian and I have great respect for her.....not because she is Christian, but because it is very evident, in my opinion based on what I have seen, that she is a very tolerant person of others and has much compassion and concerns for others besides her self, JC seems very respectable to me, I like Amy and Falconer and many others on here who have all kinds of differing beliefs. I don't give two squats what someone believes in I care about how they treat others.
A very wise Elder advised me not over a couple months ago, that if I wanted to know a bit about someone, just watch how they talk and notice how many times they reference themselves in a given conversation. You are pretty impressed with your self huh Rev. Bigot?
Firstly, I'll tell ya again that I'm a girl. I know you'll probably make another crack about why my name says mack, but considering my name is Mackenzie that's not that hard to understand.
Secondly, DISAGREEING is not the same as judging. I don't think it's right and it's not something I would do, doesn't mean I condemn those that do. So try to fathom the thought for one second that all Christians aren't overly judgemental.
Voting for something in public isn't trying to force your beliefs on someone, it's just democracy.
I know you are a girl....uhhhh scratch that, woman.I have been off my computer for a couple days but have been trying to keep up with threads via my cell phone which I can't post from, so forgive me if I reply to something from an other thread. (Im not going back thru them all)QuoteSo only agnostics are open-minded? Everyone else is close-minded and not a free-thinker? haha
It's only closed when you assert or physically force beliefs onto individuals with nothing to realistically back it up (reason, logic) and say it's the only way of thinking. Anyone can be a free-thinker. I'm sure we can agree fanatics and extremists definitely aren't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought
Edit: And yes, I acknowledge imagination as being direly important in some cases.
I have NEVER forced my beliefs on someone. On this forum for the most part people of other beliefs are the ones who bring it up and try to degrade my choice of religion. I understand and acknowledge other religions and never claimed not to, doesn't mean I can't be a Christian through and through.
Mackenzie, no one that I know of on this forum (including you) has forced their religion or beliefs on anyone. That's another "catch phrase" to put you on the defensive. We are who we are, and content in that knowledge.
First, concerning this thread, specifically, Rev Bigots posts right here......if you vote against equal gay rights, as you have often times stated you have, and will continue to do, then yes you most certainly are attempting to impose your own moral standards upon all others, its as simple as that.
Elsewhere, I saw you post that you do not judge others.
BS........thats bullshit, Daddy Mack.
Everyone who has an opinion on the behaviour of others are making a judgement call regardless of what we base it on.
Finally, you said something about members dissecting your every word and phrases.
You make it well know over and over that you are a Rev, in other words a teacher of Christian dogma, just as JDog is a school teacher, JC is a health professional and I speak on NDN issues. If we are going to put ourselves in the position of someone with supposed knowledge of our area of concern, we owe it to every other member to be very clear and precise of what we say. Many people dont worry with this important fact and a hell of a lot of usless and often times harmfull information gets out there this way.
You say you own all of your words, so don't go getting your bloomers all in a wad when someone points out that some of them are pretty damn incredulous.
(edit) oh yeah....bout forgot.....you said everyone lumps all Christians into one basket, or words to that effect.....
Not even close. One of my closest and dearest friends is a very devout Christian. Mrs. Sherna is Christian and I have great respect for her.....not because she is Christian, but because it is very evident, in my opinion based on what I have seen, that she is a very tolerant person of others and has much compassion and concerns for others besides her self, JC seems very respectable to me, I like Amy and Falconer and many others on here who have all kinds of differing beliefs. I don't give two squats what someone believes in I care about how they treat others.
A very wise Elder advised me not over a couple months ago, that if I wanted to know a bit about someone, just watch how they talk and notice how many times they reference themselves in a given conversation. You are pretty impressed with your self huh Rev. Bigot?
Firstly, I'll tell ya again that I'm a girl. I know you'll probably make another crack about why my name says mack, but considering my name is Mackenzie that's not that hard to understand.
Secondly, DISAGREEING is not the same as judging. I don't think it's right and it's not something I would do, doesn't mean I condemn those that do. So try to fathom the thought for one second that all Christians aren't overly judgemental.
Voting for something in public isn't trying to force your beliefs on someone, it's just democracy.
If you make a decision of whether anything is right, or wrong, that is a judgment call, you know that....act right.
If laws are passed allowing gay marriage, it will in no way force you to modify your usual behavior and in no way victimize you in anyway, therefor the law does not concern you and if you vote on it, regardless of how many other people vote of other laws that equally do not concern them and their welfare, you are attempting to force people to conform to your ethics.
I have been off my computer for a couple days but have been trying to keep up with threads via my cell phone which I can't post from, so forgive me if I reply to something from an other thread. (Im not going back thru them all)QuoteSo only agnostics are open-minded? Everyone else is close-minded and not a free-thinker? haha
It's only closed when you assert or physically force beliefs onto individuals with nothing to realistically back it up (reason, logic) and say it's the only way of thinking. Anyone can be a free-thinker. I'm sure we can agree fanatics and extremists definitely aren't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought
Edit: And yes, I acknowledge imagination as being direly important in some cases.
I have NEVER forced my beliefs on someone. On this forum for the most part people of other beliefs are the ones who bring it up and try to degrade my choice of religion. I understand and acknowledge other religions and never claimed not to, doesn't mean I can't be a Christian through and through.
Mackenzie, no one that I know of on this forum (including you) has forced their religion or beliefs on anyone. That's another "catch phrase" to put you on the defensive. We are who we are, and content in that knowledge.
First, concerning this thread, specifically, Rev Bigots posts right here......if you vote against equal gay rights, as you have often times stated you have, and will continue to do, then yes you most certainly are attempting to impose your own moral standards upon all others, its as simple as that.
Elsewhere, I saw you post that you do not judge others.
BS........thats bullshit, Daddy Mack.
Everyone who has an opinion on the behaviour of others are making a judgement call regardless of what we base it on.
Finally, you said something about members dissecting your every word and phrases.
You make it well know over and over that you are a Rev, in other words a teacher of Christian dogma, just as JDog is a school teacher, JC is a health professional and I speak on NDN issues. If we are going to put ourselves in the position of someone with supposed knowledge of our area of concern, we owe it to every other member to be very clear and precise of what we say. Many people dont worry with this important fact and a hell of a lot of usless and often times harmfull information gets out there this way.
You say you own all of your words, so don't go getting your bloomers all in a wad when someone points out that some of them are pretty damn incredulous.
(edit) oh yeah....bout forgot.....you said everyone lumps all Christians into one basket, or words to that effect.....
Not even close. One of my closest and dearest friends is a very devout Christian. Mrs. Sherna is Christian and I have great respect for her.....not because she is Christian, but because it is very evident, in my opinion based on what I have seen, that she is a very tolerant person of others and has much compassion and concerns for others besides her self, JC seems very respectable to me, I like Amy and Falconer and many others on here who have all kinds of differing beliefs. I don't give two squats what someone believes in I care about how they treat others.
A very wise Elder advised me not over a couple months ago, that if I wanted to know a bit about someone, just watch how they talk and notice how many times they reference themselves in a given conversation. You are pretty impressed with your self huh Rev. Bigot?
If it was being judgemental I would be active AGAINST the movement. Or even preaching to the gays. I have friends that are gay. I don't go around telling everyone how wrong they are- I'm addressing it here because it is a debate and discuss forum, I didn't even start the thread. It's not judgemental to recognize sin. I sin every day, and I don't think being gay is a WORSE sin. However, it is well within my rights to vote against its legalization, not that I've been old enough to vote for long anyway. I don't think voting against something is trying to impose my ethics on others? If that is so then democracy is what you have a problem with. We all live here so we all get a say when laws change in this country, if you think every law put in place should be passed at the risk of offending someone you have hopes for a way different country than I do.
QuoteIf it was being judgemental I would be active AGAINST the movement. Or even preaching to the gays. I have friends that are gay. I don't go around telling everyone how wrong they are- I'm addressing it here because it is a debate and discuss forum, I didn't even start the thread. It's not judgemental to recognize sin. I sin every day, and I don't think being gay is a WORSE sin. However, it is well within my rights to vote against its legalization, not that I've been old enough to vote for long anyway. I don't think voting against something is trying to impose my ethics on others? If that is so then democracy is what you have a problem with. We all live here so we all get a say when laws change in this country, if you think every law put in place should be passed at the risk of offending someone you have hopes for a way different country than I do.
You can put it in so much better words than I could. Your a good writer Mackenzie.
:thumbsup:QuoteIf it was being judgemental I would be active AGAINST the movement. Or even preaching to the gays. I have friends that are gay. I don't go around telling everyone how wrong they are- I'm addressing it here because it is a debate and discuss forum, I didn't even start the thread. It's not judgemental to recognize sin. I sin every day, and I don't think being gay is a WORSE sin. However, it is well within my rights to vote against its legalization, not that I've been old enough to vote for long anyway. I don't think voting against something is trying to impose my ethics on others? If that is so then democracy is what you have a problem with. We all live here so we all get a say when laws change in this country, if you think every law put in place should be passed at the risk of offending someone you have hopes for a way different country than I do.
You can put it in so much better words than I could. Your a good writer Mackenzie.
Thank you but I feel the same way about! I sometimes have trouble getting to the point, I don't have that problem at all when talking...but sometimes it's hard for me to get my point across without being able to change my tone. Often when I can't get something out you chime in and say exactly what I was trying to spit out :0)
AWWWWW....such a cute couple, dontcha think? :'(
I KNOW UR A WOMAN!!!AWWWWW....such a cute couple, dontcha think? :'(
meaning?
Wondered where you had been, Walks.oooops, my bad.
Not a huge deal, unless I attempt to start teaching children which I am totally unqualified to do and that harmful information you mentioned would definitely come into play, but you have this reversed:
"just as JDog is a school teacher, JC is a health professional" - other way around. ;)
I KNOW UR A WOMAN!!!AWWWWW....such a cute couple, dontcha think? :'(
meaning?
AWWWWW....such a cute couple, dontcha think? :'(
meaning?
Yes walks, I know Annella has gotten under your skin, but I'm not really liking the name calling :-[
thatz really not true
Walksalone, I just replied to you in another thread as well. Please stop the name calling of these Christian ladies, Annella and Mackenzie. They don't deserve it and have not asked for it. I thought you were mature enough to be able to debate and discuss without getting ugly. I have really only conversed with you in the Indian threads, and have not ever seen you do that in those. When you name call, especially certain people that are Christians, you are mocking them. I couldn't sit back and not say anything about this because you are carrying this too far. Thank you.
NO maybe you should stop typing and re read what you my dear have posted. You and alot of others are so freaking hypocritical when it comes to your posts its unreal. I have NEVER met so called Christians like you and some others before (thankfully never met you in real life)!! Get a life and stop trying to put others down with your IMAGINATION talk of BUL**HIT!QuoteSo only agnostics are open-minded? Everyone else is close-minded and not a free-thinker? haha
It's only closed when you assert or physically force beliefs onto individuals with nothing to realistically back it up (reason, logic) and say it's the only way of thinking. Anyone can be a free-thinker. I'm sure we can agree fanatics and extremists definitely aren't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought
Edit: And yes, I acknowledge imagination as being direly important in some cases.
I have NEVER forced my beliefs on someone. On this forum for the most part people of other beliefs are the ones who bring it up and try to degrade my choice of religion. I understand and acknowledge other religions and never claimed not to, doesn't mean I can't be a Christian through and through.
NO Marie brings up all of these ignorant topic threads. Nobody degrades your religion again Marie does a good enough job herself in this area. And no one said you cannot be a christian. Be what you want to be, but don't go around pointing the finger when you cleary know who starts this crap.
haha nobody degrades my religion? read the thread then post.
And its called DEBATE if you do not want the minds of others putting their two cents in their is a general talk forum. USE IT!
Maybe if the topic was an ADULT conversation I would have more compassion. But I do not. You guys can play the victim card all you want. No I will not listen to anything that comes from the mouths of people who are so small minded as to start a thread with the word retard in it and then countinue to talk about YOUR GOD..And its called DEBATE if you do not want the minds of others putting their two cents in their is a general talk forum. USE IT!
Yes, it is called debate, but you did not debate in the above post when you called certain ones "so freaking hypocritical when it comes to your posts its unreal." And this: "Get a life and stop trying to put others down with your IMAGINATION talk of BUL**HIT." That sounds like hypocrisy to me, calling names, and refusing to debate and discuss their views. You can't debate unless you are willing to listen and respond with adult conversation.
Maybe if the topic was an ADULT conversation I would have more compassion. But I do not. You guys can play the victim card all you want. No I will not listen to anything that comes from the mouths of people who are so small minded as to start a thread with the word retard in it and then countinue to talk about YOUR GOD..And its called DEBATE if you do not want the minds of others putting their two cents in their is a general talk forum. USE IT!
Yes, it is called debate, but you did not debate in the above post when you called certain ones "so freaking hypocritical when it comes to your posts its unreal." And this: "Get a life and stop trying to put others down with your IMAGINATION talk of BUL**HIT." That sounds like hypocrisy to me, calling names, and refusing to debate and discuss their views. You can't debate unless you are willing to listen and respond with adult conversation.
I wish you had prove were one person has called you such a derogatory name.I really hope you have read the complete thread. There have definitely been adults having a debate in here. Including people you tend to agree with. The thread began "retarded" but has gone deeper into the subject. Then you come in here stirring up the pot. It is not "us guys" who are playing any victim card. It's you trying to stir up and get attention....
The thread didn't start out retarded. I was sick of atheists and agnostics saying believers were not intelligent, which would be them being a retard. It is my understanding that, non believers think believers are retarded. So hence the title of the thread, If you believe in God, you are a retard.
Of being a retard? Good I would love to see them.I wish you had prove were one person has called you such a derogatory name.I really hope you have read the complete thread. There have definitely been adults having a debate in here. Including people you tend to agree with. The thread began "retarded" but has gone deeper into the subject. Then you come in here stirring up the pot. It is not "us guys" who are playing any victim card. It's you trying to stir up and get attention....
The thread didn't start out retarded. I was sick of atheists and agnostics saying believers were not intelligent, which would be them being a retard. It is my understanding that, non believers think believers are retarded. So hence the title of the thread, If you believe in God, you are a retard.
I can give you proof, but it will take awhile to hunt down the posts.
NO maybe you should stop typing and re read what you my dear have posted. You and alot of others are so freaking hypocritical when it comes to your posts its unreal. I have NEVER met so called Christians like you and some others before (thankfully never met you in real life)!! Get a life and stop trying to put others down with your IMAGINATION talk of BUL**HIT!QuoteSo only agnostics are open-minded? Everyone else is close-minded and not a free-thinker? haha
It's only closed when you assert or physically force beliefs onto individuals with nothing to realistically back it up (reason, logic) and say it's the only way of thinking. Anyone can be a free-thinker. I'm sure we can agree fanatics and extremists definitely aren't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought
Edit: And yes, I acknowledge imagination as being direly important in some cases.
I have NEVER forced my beliefs on someone. On this forum for the most part people of other beliefs are the ones who bring it up and try to degrade my choice of religion. I understand and acknowledge other religions and never claimed not to, doesn't mean I can't be a Christian through and through.
NO Marie brings up all of these ignorant topic threads. Nobody degrades your religion again Marie does a good enough job herself in this area. And no one said you cannot be a christian. Be what you want to be, but don't go around pointing the finger when you cleary know who starts this crap.
haha nobody degrades my religion? read the thread then post.
And its called DEBATE if you do not want the minds of others putting their two cents in their is a general talk forum. USE IT!
Maybe if the topic was an ADULT conversation I would have more compassion. But I do not. You guys can play the victim card all you want. No I will not listen to anything that comes from the mouths of people who are so small minded as to start a thread with the word retard in it and then countinue to talk about YOUR GOD..And its called DEBATE if you do not want the minds of others putting their two cents in their is a general talk forum. USE IT!
Yes, it is called debate, but you did not debate in the above post when you called certain ones "so freaking hypocritical when it comes to your posts its unreal." And this: "Get a life and stop trying to put others down with your IMAGINATION talk of BUL**HIT." That sounds like hypocrisy to me, calling names, and refusing to debate and discuss their views. You can't debate unless you are willing to listen and respond with adult conversation.
Attention,,, for what? Don't flatter yourself honey.
Attention,,, for what? Don't flatter yourself honey.
Um no Walksalone knows im married and further more is smarter to realize that my mind isn't set on ignorance.Attention,,, for what? Don't flatter yourself honey.
By the way, you shouldn't call me "honey." Walksalone may misinterpret and think that we make a cute couple, too. I certainly wouldn't want to be accused of that with you. (Thread, page 20)
I suppose even if the word retard hadn't been used (but marie showed that it has) the terms for our belief being calledSHOWED where??? Where is the proof??
delusional
lunacy
childish
immature
insane
crazy
unintelligent
dumb
nonsense
(all of which have been used in this forum)
that's all perfectly acceptable, but we should never accuse anyone of calling us retarded....no....unbelievers would NEVER use THAT term right??
See what I mean? You can't quit with the sarcasm and the name calling. That's not very befitting for a lady!Um no Walksalone knows im married and further more is smarter to realize that my mind isn't set on ignorance.Attention,,, for what? Don't flatter yourself honey.
By the way, you shouldn't call me "honey." Walksalone may misinterpret and think that we make a cute couple, too. I certainly wouldn't want to be accused of that with you. (Thread, page 20)
I suppose even if the word retard hadn't been used (but marie showed that it has) the terms for our belief being calledSHOWED where??? Where is the proof??
delusional
lunacy
childish
immature
insane
crazy
unintelligent
dumb
nonsense
(all of which have been used in this forum)
that's all perfectly acceptable, but we should never accuse anyone of calling us retarded....no....unbelievers would NEVER use THAT term right??
No I will not listen to anything that comes from the mouths of people who are so small minded as to start a thread with the word retard in it and then continue to talk about YOUR GOD..
The thread didn't start out retarded. I was sick of atheists and agnostics saying believers were not intelligent, which would be them being a retard. It is my understanding that, non believers think believers are retarded.
Really doesn't matter. He knows I'm a girl and continues to refer to me as a male. He knows I don't even agree with homosexuality and continues to suggest that I am a lesbian- with Annella at that. haha.Um no Walksalone knows im married and further more is smarter to realize that my mind isn't set on ignorance.Attention,,, for what? Don't flatter yourself honey.
By the way, you shouldn't call me "honey." Walksalone may misinterpret and think that we make a cute couple, too. I certainly wouldn't want to be accused of that with you. (Thread, page 20)
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:Attention,,, for what? Don't flatter yourself honey.
By the way, you shouldn't call me "honey." Walksalone may misinterpret and think that we make a cute couple, too. I certainly wouldn't want to be accused of that with you. (Thread, page 20)
You can get a person's email address on here if you add them as a buddy, you can find people on facebook with their email address. And Annella has said on here that Annella is her actual name and so even without a last name a person can search on facebook with that. Annella isn't a common name so it becomes a matter of narrowing it down.
Thankfully you can block all personal info from being viewed by people who are not friends on facebook, but unless you create a total anonymous identity here (using a name other than your own and a separate email address not connected with other networks) it's not that hard to find a person on the social networks (if they have an account).
No, admin removed any e-mail addresses in profiles/buddies weeks ago. I know even I could probably find OldBuddy ONLY because he's said he has his link to FC on there because of vids and referrals. Like I said, I am Facebook ignorant. I am very puzzled though as to why anyone who knows you don't care for them would even bother trying to get to you via Facebook? Sounds a little fishy to me. Is it possible someone is disguising themselves and playing games with you? I have to get out the door, going in later for once, so will look for answer in the morning.
No, admin removed any e-mail addresses in profiles/buddies weeks ago. I know even I could probably find OldBuddy ONLY because he's said he has his link to FC on there because of vids and referrals. Like I said, I am Facebook ignorant. I am very puzzled though as to why anyone who knows you don't care for them would even bother trying to get to you via Facebook? Sounds a little fishy to me. Is it possible someone is disguising themselves and playing games with you? I have to get out the door, going in later for once, so will look for answer in the morning.
No, admin removed any e-mail addresses in profiles/buddies weeks ago. I know even I could probably find OldBuddy ONLY because he's said he has his link to FC on there because of vids and referrals. Like I said, I am Facebook ignorant. I am very puzzled though as to why anyone who knows you don't care for them would even bother trying to get to you via Facebook? Sounds a little fishy to me. Is it possible someone is disguising themselves and playing games with you? I have to get out the door, going in later for once, so will look for answer in the morning.
Nope, they identified themselves as being on FC, and 1 name is what they use on here as their handle. They are frequent posters here in D&D. I wrote Sherene when I got the 1st invitation, so she knows who I'm talking about. While I could come out and give you the names, their intentions may have been innocent, and I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt. However, I will use their attempt to warn anyone else who thinks they might access anything more than what is here on this forum.
Sounds fishy huh? Your entitled to your opinion. However, you said it yourself, why would anyone want to access me via Facebook? Now that's the question isn't it?
I've never told anyone on this forum I didn't care for them, but not everyone can say that back, now can they? So don't imply otherwise. Thank you.
If you are talking about me, amyrouse told me you wanted me to add you, but I have deleted you awhile back. She emailed me this.
I had someone I don't know add me and I accepted...her name is Sandra Mclay...ring a bell?
Look, I don't know where your aggression is coming from.No, admin removed any e-mail addresses in profiles/buddies weeks ago. I know even I could probably find OldBuddy ONLY because he's said he has his link to FC on there because of vids and referrals. Like I said, I am Facebook ignorant. I am very puzzled though as to why anyone who knows you don't care for them would even bother trying to get to you via Facebook? Sounds a little fishy to me. Is it possible someone is disguising themselves and playing games with you? I have to get out the door, going in later for once, so will look for answer in the morning.Nope, they identified themselves as being on FC, and 1 name is what they use on here as their handle. They are frequent posters here in D&D. I wrote Sherene when I got the 1st invitation, so she knows who I'm talking about. While I could come out and give you the names, their intentions may have been innocent, and I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt. However, I will use their attempt to warn anyone else who thinks they might access anything more than what is here on this forum.
Sounds fishy huh? Your entitled to your opinion. However, you said it yourself, why would anyone want to access me via Facebook? Now that's the question isn't it?
I've never told anyone on this forum I didn't care for them, but not everyone can say that back, now can they? So don't imply otherwise. Thank you.
Sounds fishy huh? Your entitled to your opinion.Yeah, 'fishy' as in someone possibly hacking other people's accounts on there and pretending they are someone else. Two weeks ago I had someone hack my debit card number and I am still cleaning up the mess. I know zero about Facebook, but I DID just read about thousands of accounts on there getting hacked, okay? What did you think I meant?
I've never told anyone on this forum I didn't care for them, but not everyone can say that back, now can they? So don't imply otherwise. Thank you.I was NOT 'implying' anything. There are people on here that you have never seen eye to eye with and YOU made it sound as if THESE were the ones trying to get to you via Facebook. You really don't "need to tell" anyone on here if they are NOT in your group of friends you WOULD allow on Facebook. It's very apparent in your posts who your friends are, which is completely within your rights on here, and anyone reading can gleen that and you know it. So don't try and make it out as if I was 'implying' something that isn't very apparent and there for anyone to see. Have you gotten to the point that you see some ulterior motive in everything, even a completely innocent question from me as to something I am ignorant of? This conversation had NOTHING to do with with religion and/or personal views, yet you still make it into a platform to get a dig in, come on, that's ridiculous.
Look, I don't know where your aggression is coming from.No, admin removed any e-mail addresses in profiles/buddies weeks ago. I know even I could probably find OldBuddy ONLY because he's said he has his link to FC on there because of vids and referrals. Like I said, I am Facebook ignorant. I am very puzzled though as to why anyone who knows you don't care for them would even bother trying to get to you via Facebook? Sounds a little fishy to me. Is it possible someone is disguising themselves and playing games with you? I have to get out the door, going in later for once, so will look for answer in the morning.Nope, they identified themselves as being on FC, and 1 name is what they use on here as their handle. They are frequent posters here in D&D. I wrote Sherene when I got the 1st invitation, so she knows who I'm talking about. While I could come out and give you the names, their intentions may have been innocent, and I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt. However, I will use their attempt to warn anyone else who thinks they might access anything more than what is here on this forum.
Sounds fishy huh? Your entitled to your opinion. However, you said it yourself, why would anyone want to access me via Facebook? Now that's the question isn't it?
I've never told anyone on this forum I didn't care for them, but not everyone can say that back, now can they? So don't imply otherwise. Thank you.QuoteSounds fishy huh? Your entitled to your opinion.Yeah, 'fishy' as in someone possibly hacking other people's accounts on there and pretending they are someone else. Two weeks ago I had someone hack my debit card number and I am still cleaning up the mess. I know zero about Facebook, but I DID just read about thousands of accounts on there getting hacked, okay? What did you think I meant?QuoteI've never told anyone on this forum I didn't care for them, but not everyone can say that back, now can they? So don't imply otherwise. Thank you.I was NOT 'implying' anything. There are people on here that you have never seen eye to eye with and YOU made it sound as if THESE were the ones trying to get to you via Facebook. You really don't "need to tell" anyone on here if they are NOT in your group of friends you WOULD allow on Facebook. It's very apparent in your posts who your friends are, which is completely within your rights on here, and anyone reading can gleen that and you know it. So don't try and make it out as if I was 'implying' something that isn't very apparent and there for anyone to see. Have you gotten to the point that you see some ulterior motive in everything, even a completely innocent question from me as to something I am ignorant of? This conversation had NOTHING to do with with religion and/or personal views, yet you still make it into a platform to get a dig in, come on, that's ridiculous.
Yes, and that is what I said, and that is why I found it odd. If anyone needs to "chill out" it's you.
Yes, and that is what I said, and that is why I found it odd. If anyone needs to "chill out" it's you.
Whatever......... ::)
Yes, and that is what I said, and that is why I found it odd. If anyone needs to "chill out" it's you.
Whatever......... ::)
"chill out", "whatever"
How old are you, 60 now - know you posted about your birthday, and this is your way of responding? Wow.
A couple of you that are clearly anti-christian have sent me friend requests to my Facebook account. Please don't send them anymore. You will NOT be added! What is your motivation for such? My Facebook account is a personal page with personal information for families and friends.
I guess what my question is, why would you want to be my friend, when you clearly hate Christians? Unless it was for gaining personal information to further your hate and malcontent.
You have been BLOCKED from even viewing the basic of basic information. Facebook has also been alerted. I may not have much control over the poison that spews around here, but I do with my own personal account. It's one thing to disagree, but to try and find out personal information about people behind the keyboard for whatever reason is creepy to say the least.
A couple of you that are clearly anti-christian have sent me friend requests to my Facebook account. Please don't send them anymore. You will NOT be added! What is your motivation for such? My Facebook account is a personal page with personal information for families and friends.
I guess what my question is, why would you want to be my friend, when you clearly hate Christians? Unless it was for gaining personal information to further your hate and malcontent.
You have been BLOCKED from even viewing the basic of basic information. Facebook has also been alerted. I may not have much control over the poison that spews around here, but I do with my own personal account. It's one thing to disagree, but to try and find out personal information about people behind the keyboard for whatever reason is creepy to say the least.
Ooh, I love a game of Clue in the morning! Wait, what?
For the record, it wasn't me. I only have one FB account where I go by my real first and last name, not a "handle". And I resent that you would accuse any of the other non-Christians I've come in contact with of doing such a thing. It's coming in loud and clear, "Anyone who is godless is a BAD person who does creepy things!" when that is the furthest from the truth.
To quote you, "I think your making this up" (ergh, grammar!) OR it is someone who you've never even met before on this forum who's been lurking and decided to play with you. There's a good chance they are impersonating someone(s)...you can create multiple FB accounts, you know.
Again, I don't appreciate the hateful accusation...because I can guarantee it wasn't me, Falconer, jordandog, amyrouse, ButterflyWings, and any of the other credible people I am forgetting (note: I know you believe in god, Amy, but because you're not Christian, that could be considered "anti-Christian". lol)
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I don't like anyone using the word "retard", period. Retarded people often have more intelligence than so-called "smart" or so-called "normal" people. To use the word "retard" as a put down just isn't right. Come to think of it, put downs are unnecessary at any age.
it is the spirit of God warning us, and nothing else- not premonition, sixth sense, or just something else- it is God.
Oh can you prove evolution now too? Somehow I feel I didn't come from a monkey.it is the spirit of God warning us, and nothing else- not premonition, sixth sense, or just something else- it is God.
Sorry to rain on the parade, but "gut feelings" are entirely due to evolution.
http://www.winstonbrill.com/bril001/html/article_index/articles/1-50/article26_body.html
it is the spirit of God warning us, and nothing else- not premonition, sixth sense, or just something else- it is God.
Sorry to rain on the parade, but "gut feelings" are entirely due to evolution.
http://www.winstonbrill.com/bril001/html/article_index/articles/1-50/article26_body.html
it is the spirit of God warning us, and nothing else- not premonition, sixth sense, or just something else- it is God.
Sorry to rain on the parade, but "gut feelings" are entirely due to evolution.
http://www.winstonbrill.com/bril001/html/article_index/articles/1-50/article26_body.html
Tammy - stand your ground. There she goes telling you she knows everything there is to know about this and we can't decide for ourselves.
it is the spirit of God warning us, and nothing else- not premonition, sixth sense, or just something else- it is God.
Sorry to rain on the parade, but "gut feelings" are entirely due to evolution.
http://www.winstonbrill.com/bril001/html/article_index/articles/1-50/article26_body.html
To AmyRouse, and Jordandog- first Amy- my heart goes out to you for what happened to you- I can't even imagine what that was like, and I don't want to, but can I ask you if you had any worry or inclinations that you were not supposed to be where you were, or go where you did that day?- please do not misunderstand me- what happened to you was not at all your fault, regardless of the circumstances, but I have learned through trial and error, that if you have any misgivings about doing something, going somewhere, you should listen to your gut. that is the Spirit God has put inside of us- we don't just get a bad feeling, etc.. All of us have gone places we should not have gone, and done things we should not have, and we wound up sorry. Even if you are in your own home or whatever, if your gut says lock the door, don't answer the door, don't go outside, do go with him/her- this person you like is bad news, don't hang with that crowd, etc, it is the spirit of God warning us, and nothing else- not premonition, sixth sense, or just something else- it is God.
Do I have to keep posting that...I AM IN NO WAY CALLING ANYONE A RETARD>>>I JUST GOT SICK OF THE HATE DIRECTED TOWARDS ME AND MY BELIEFS
First of all. to those who stand with me and defend the cross -thanks. There are those who call the bible fairy tales- have you read the bible?- have you even tried?- it doesn't make sense to those who will not accept that there is one who created the world and everything in it-people would rather believe we come from monkeys- how crazy is that? The bible is a history book, love book, family book, people book hope book book, peace book, friend book,future predictor, and even a book of judgement- but fairy tale- I don't think so- you don't want to accept that there is actually a book that tells you to live a moral life, love your neighbor, stay married, don't have sex outside of marriage- things we ought to do for the betterment of society, and to save our lives- see people don't like those rules, but they will follow other stupid silly rules that do't make sense to any rational person- the "so called" fairy tale is the best book to live by- it will change your life for the better if you let it. If you believe gut feeling comes from evolution, then you must believe you are an ape, because that's what evolution teaches. the bible outdated- you don't know of what you speak- you can find everything that has ever been relevant in mankind relevant for today- the word is better than a horoscope, psychic, palm reader, tarot card rader, and all the rest- they cant tell you if you will take your next breath. finally, God is willing to stop evil, but he has to have mans' permission- he will not go aganst your will if you want to do evil, so don't blame God for what man chooses to do to himself or unfourtunately to others- it is his choice- God is relly only obligated to those who love and serve him- no one else.
I believe the creator of that thread and Falconor went way too far with the R word. I mean I have a mild form of autism which means i'm retarded medically speaking!!!!!!! :BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead:
Yes it is true as much of you have stated, stand your ground and stand up for what you believe. how ever are you good Christians and will you hate me when I say I am more Pagan then a follower of Yahweh. I have studied the Bible, very much, and learned from followers and translations of the other two; Judaism and Islam. It really makes me laugh the claim that they are all different. how ever know this the Christian Bible contradicts it's self the most. This and the fact that it is so hard to find some one who will walk the path that Jesus laid out.I could never hate you just because you may have different views than I do. You acknowledged that we should stand for what we feel, and you, in turn acknowledged what you feel or believe. We totally differ on the Bible, apparently. But hate? Not me!!
There are those who call the bible fairy tales- have you read the bible?
it doesn't make sense to those who will not accept that there is one who created the world and everything in it
people would rather believe we come from monkeys- how crazy is that?
you don't want to accept that there is actually a book that tells you to live a moral life
stay married, don't have sex outside of marriage- things we ought to do for the betterment of society, and to save our lives- see people don't like those rules, but they will follow other stupid silly rules that do't make sense to any rational person
then you must believe you are an ape, because that's what evolution teaches.
the word is better than a horoscope, psychic, palm reader, tarot card rader, and all the rest
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I know the dirty little secret of Christianity: most of you HAVEN'T read even 1/4 of the Bible!
For your information, qon, I have read the Bible. I may not understand all those words and names, especially in the Old Testament, but have used Bible dictionarys and handbooks to find the meanings of words. I also attended a Christian University where I had to take at least 13 courses in different aspects of the Bible, the history, other religions and cults, etc. Your "know it all" attitude is making you look foolish.
First of all. to those who stand with me and defend the cross -thanks. There are those who call the bible fairy tales- have you read the bible?- have you even tried?- it doesn't make sense to those who will not accept that there is one who created the world and everything in it-people would rather believe we come from monkeys- how crazy is that? The bible is a history book, love book, family book, people book hope book book, peace book, friend book,future predictor, and even a book of judgement- but fairy tale- I don't think so- you don't want to accept that there is actually a book that tells you to live a moral life, love your neighbor, stay married, don't have sex outside of marriage- things we ought to do for the betterment of society, and to save our lives- see people don't like those rules, but they will follow other stupid silly rules that do't make sense to any rational person- the "so called" fairy tale is the best book to live by- it will change your life for the better if you let it. If you believe gut feeling comes from evolution, then you must believe you are an ape, because that's what evolution teaches. the bible outdated- you don't know of what you speak- you can find everything that has ever been relevant in mankind relevant for today- the word is better than a horoscope, psychic, palm reader, tarot card rader, and all the rest- they cant tell you if you will take your next breath. finally, God is willing to stop evil, but he has to have mans' permission- he will not go aganst your will if you want to do evil, so don't blame God for what man chooses to do to himself or unfourtunately to others- it is his choice- God is relly only obligated to those who love and serve him- no one else.
Something else: Why does she seem to think it's a dirty secret and little secret!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!? Is there something she thinks she knows that everyone else does not know?Quote from queenofnines:
I know the dirty little secret of Christianity: most of you HAVEN'T read even 1/4 of the Bible!
For your information, qon, I have read the Bible. I may not understand all those words and names, especially in the Old Testament, but have used Bible dictionarys and handbooks to find the meanings of words. I also attended a Christian University where I had to take at least 13 courses in different aspects of the Bible, the history, other religions and cults, etc. Your "know it all" attitude is making you look foolish.
She just throws stuff out there for shock effect, and to bait you. She does look foolish. Oh, the feel good parts are good, but the goodness also has a severity attached to it. It's so easy to refute it, and call it fairy tales, then your not held responsible for what effect it has on your life...or afterlife. Psst....here's the real shock....refute it all you want, you are still going to answer to it. All of us are.
You know what I think your dirty little secret is? Deep inside you know it's true, and it scares you to death!!
You know what I think your dirty little secret is? Deep inside you know it's true, and it scares you to death!!
Yes it is true as much of you have stated, stand your ground and stand up for what you believe. how ever are you good Christians and will you hate me when I say I am more Pagan then a follower of Yahweh. I have studied the Bible, very much, and learned from followers and translations of the other two; Judaism and Islam. It really makes me laugh the claim that they are all different. how ever know this the Christian Bible contradicts it's self the most. This and the fact that it is so hard to find some one who will walk the path that Jesus laid out.
Something else: Why does she seem to think it's a dirty secret and little secret!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!? Is there something she thinks she knows that everyone else does not know?Quote from queenofnines:
I know the dirty little secret of Christianity: most of you HAVEN'T read even 1/4 of the Bible!
For your information, qon, I have read the Bible. I may not understand all those words and names, especially in the Old Testament, but have used Bible dictionarys and handbooks to find the meanings of words. I also attended a Christian University where I had to take at least 13 courses in different aspects of the Bible, the history, other religions and cults, etc. Your "know it all" attitude is making you look foolish.
She just throws stuff out there for shock effect, and to bait you. She does look foolish. Oh, the feel good parts are good, but the goodness also has a severity attached to it. It's so easy to refute it, and call it fairy tales, then your not held responsible for what effect it has on your life...or afterlife. Psst....here's the real shock....refute it all you want, you are still going to answer to it. All of us are.
You know what I think your dirty little secret is? Deep inside you know it's true, and it scares you to death!!
You know what I think your dirty little secret is? Deep inside you know it's true, and it scares you to death!!
And you said I was the foolish one?
Time will definitely tell, that's for sure...You know what I think your dirty little secret is? Deep inside you know it's true, and it scares you to death!!
And you said I was the foolish one?
Well, time will tell now won't it.......and time's running out in this life.
I hope time will tell that queen turned her heart towards God and I see her in eternity. That's my prayer :)
Marie, I am very sorry that happened to you. I hope you have been able to achieve the victory over it and are in a much better place. I won't go into detail, but I did have something similar happen in my life. With Christian counselors, friends, family, and my Lord, I am doing okay today and have been able to help a few in similar situations just letting them know that they will be okay. It's still hard, sometimes, and that situation contributed to my being shy, reserved, and introverted. But, I have come a long way from then. Hang in there!QuoteI have a hard time believing that a g-d that I love and who loves me in return would give me a warning like that and do nothing else to prevent the horrible thing that happened from happening
I was raped at 12 by my boyfriend and I was a virgin. Sometimes, I wonder why God did nothing if he is there, it is easier to just think he isn't there and that is why it happend.
She wants people to think she's the authority.....pffffft Yeah right!
.....and time's running out in this life.
Wasn't this locked yesterday?She will eventually delete this topic as she is known to do.
You speak it as if it is fact and it isn't.
There is a God
Santa was said to live at the North pole and well...he place aint invisible so...we know he aint real.
There is a Santa Claus, he was a real person but he has been dead for a long time.
The other remark about "knowing where we are in terms of not being able to examine the most crucial problems of your religion." is speaking for me in terms of knowledge and superiority that is not correct.
The Bible, Judaism and Islam have a few similar teachings, but Islam then branches off to their own teachings. As in everyone that is no Muslim is an infidel, and should be put to death.
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She wants people to think she's the authority.....pffffft Yeah right!
And you must think you're some kind of authority for speaking for me?
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.....and time's running out in this life.
Maybe for you, lol. Okay, now THAT was blatantly insensitive.
Sherna described me as precious, intelligent, and special.
Just because we have debated and you frustrated me doesn't change that.
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The other remark about "knowing where we are in terms of not being able to examine the most crucial problems of your religion." is speaking for me in terms of knowledge and superiority that is not correct.
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Knowledge: stemming from my very real experience as a Christian myself and interacting with other Christians. Superiority: I can see how many of my statements may come across as sounding superior; however, it's more like my encouraging people to let go of their nonsense security blankets.
I don't necessarily disagree with your knowledge from your experience as a Christian and interacting with other Christians. What troubles me, is that I have to wonder what happened to change that deep down relationship you had with Christ. I could never turn my back on Him like that, so something must have happened to make you want to change. I have my knowledge as a Christian, too, as well as my interactions with other Christians that are of like beliefs. I have not even come near to the change you made from Christian to non-christian.
With your superiority comment, at least you do admit "may come across as sounding superior." However, you then turn around and call our beliefs "nonsense security blankets." That is uncalled for. My beliefs are not "nonsense security blankets" just as your atheism beliefs to you are not "nonsense security blankets." I could say that they are, but it is not my business to call your beliefs names. It's my business to continue my life for my Lord in the way of my beliefs.
Thank you, Annella! It's the truth!Quote from: jcribb16
The other remark about "knowing where we are in terms of not being able to examine the most crucial problems of your religion." is speaking for me in terms of knowledge and superiority that is not correct.
Quote from: queenofnines
Knowledge: stemming from my very real experience as a Christian myself and interacting with other Christians. Superiority: I can see how many of my statements may come across as sounding superior; however, it's more like my encouraging people to let go of their nonsense security blankets.
I don't necessarily disagree with your knowledge from your experience as a Christian and interacting with other Christians. What troubles me, is that I have to wonder what happened to change that deep down relationship you had with Christ. I could never turn my back on Him like that, so something must have happened to make you want to change. I have my knowledge as a Christian, too, as well as my interactions with other Christians that are of like beliefs. I have not even come near to the change you made from Christian to non-christian.
With your superiority comment, at least you do admit "may come across as sounding superior." However, you then turn around and call our beliefs "nonsense security blankets." That is uncalled for. My beliefs are not "nonsense security blankets" just as your atheism beliefs to you are not "nonsense security blankets." I could say that they are, but it is not my business to call your beliefs names. It's my business to continue my life for my Lord in the way of my beliefs.
Wow Jcribb...excellent post!
What troubles me, is that I have to wonder what happened to change that deep down relationship you had with Christ.
you then turn around and call our beliefs "nonsense security blankets." That is uncalled for.
To jordondog: We've been over this Islam/Muslim conversation over and over. I've studied it...you've studied it. We come out with 2 different opinions.....so what? No 2 people agree on everything in the world. You and I disagree on just about 99.99% of just about everything written on this forum. Since we are both entitled to our own opinion.......well......... However, That small percentage of resting and eating ice cream is one thing I agree with you about....lol
QuoteTo jordondog: We've been over this Islam/Muslim conversation over and over. I've studied it...you've studied it. We come out with 2 different opinions.....so what? No 2 people agree on everything in the world. You and I disagree on just about 99.99% of just about everything written on this forum. Since we are both entitled to our own opinion.......well......... However, That small percentage of resting and eating ice cream is one thing I agree with you about....lol
Well, I will say you did what I expected you to do. You took the one thing I asked you to regard as an example and instead made it your focus. Go ahead and justify your own criticism of religions and beliefs outside your chosen few that make the grade. Go ahead and disregard the superiority you give to Christian beliefs and the Bible. If you got honest, you would see what that entire post I made was saying, and NOT pick and choose the one piece you wanted to look at. I am willing to bet their are others who DID see what I was saying, but they are too afraid to go against you and speak up about it. It's a no-no for someone to bring up atrocities committed in the name of Christianity, because those are 'flukes'. It is perfectly okay though to label another's as 'what they all do and believe'. What a joke.
What troubles me, is that I have to wonder what happened to change that deep down relationship you had with Christ.
I'd much rather have people think this way than exclaim, "You were never a true Christian!!!" I was also a vegetarian for 3.5 years and now I'm not; does that mean I was never a true vegetarian??Quoteyou then turn around and call our beliefs "nonsense security blankets." That is uncalled for.
So religion doesn't deserve to be criticized? You have to understand that I'm not attacking YOU; I'm sure you're a perfectly nice believer whose personal Christianity does not negatively affect others. However, dogmatic religions on the whole cause unthinkable problems, and the less people who are involved in them, the less power is given to the atrocities that are committed in religion's name. I'm doing my part to plant the seeds of critical thinking, for humanity's sake. Sometimes that involves being very direct with people. Instead of getting offended that I said an ill word about your deeply-held beliefs, think about WHY I am saying the ill words, and be honest with yourself that things like, "She's mad at god" are not valid answers.
First of all, for those who feel as if the message is not penetrating the minds and hearts of people- it is, working because we are having this discussion with non- believers of Jesus.m To the girl who was raped, i feel sorry for you- were too young to have a boyfriend anyway- I hope you prosecuted him- wrer you warned not to be with him?- did you have a feeling that you weren't supposed to be with him- don't blame god for the actions of a person who knew right from wrong. What's wrong with keeping yourself celibate?what's the problem with being promiscuous?- out of wedlock pregnancy,sexually transmitted diseases- need any more reasons?. Don't use names like retard- keep the discussion on a mature level. I read the bible front to back. I am reading the whole thing again-I don't have a problem with it at all- it sure beats some of the other silly stupid stuff people are reading under the guise of intellectualism- I would read a book called the bible- if it a fairy tale,it's the greatest one ever told. it is easier to believe in a God who created everything, than to believe we came from animal- if that was the case then why do we still have humans and apes- if we truly came from apes, then there would be one species(human) or another(apes) -not both. How does an animal have a human?- I have never seen that happen in my life- how does an animal turn into a human- that doesn't make sense. I agree with the person who said that the person who changed their mind about being a Christian was never saved- it has to be a heart experience, not a head experience. you can criticize Christianity all you want,just check it out with real evidence what you think. Vegetarianism and Chistianity aren't the same- you can't compare the two- vegtarianism has to do with the natural, and Christianity has to do with the spiritual- if you decide you don't want to be vegetarian anymore, you just change your eating habits- Christianity is different- you don't just walk away- it's not that simple- you might falter,where you break fellowship with God but, you walk away from him, but he doesn't walk away from you- you are his forever- once you truly accept Jesus as Lord and saviour.
I agree you have the right to criticize religion, just as I have the right to criticize atheism. But the "seeds of critical thinking" need to be questions or statements that challenge the belief, or events of Christian/non-christian history, not remarks, such as "nonsense security blankets," or "delusional...", etc. All you are doing is mocking and stirring up people's anger.
QuoteI agree you have the right to criticize religion, just as I have the right to criticize atheism. But the "seeds of critical thinking" need to be questions or statements that challenge the belief, or events of Christian/non-christian history, not remarks, such as "nonsense security blankets," or "delusional...", etc. All you are doing is mocking and stirring up people's anger.
Excellent post jcribb. I have tried to say this same thing but haven't said it near as well, and without pent up frustration in my fingers lol. :thumbsup:
what's the problem with being promiscuous?- out of wedlock pregnancy,sexually transmitted diseases- need any more reasons?.
if it a fairy tale,it's the greatest one ever told.
it is easier to believe in a God who created everything, than to believe we came from animal
if that was the case then why do we still have humans and apes- if we truly came from apes, then there would be one species(human) or another(apes) -not both.
How does an animal have a human?- I have never seen that happen in my life- how does an animal turn into a human- that doesn't make sense.
I agree with the person who said that the person who changed their mind about being a Christian was never saved
you don't just walk away- it's not that simple
you are his forever- once you truly accept Jesus as Lord and saviour.
QuoteHmm, I think Disney movies are far better fairy tales than the Bible because a least they don't promote slavery, rape, murder, incest, or eternal punishment.
Hell No, Living in heaven for eternity and seeing all your loved ones and friends and having everything you want wins hand down.
And just a quick history lesson: Hammurabi's Code predates the Bible by at least 1,000 years and contains all three of those laws. So no, you don't get to claim that the Bible has ANYTHING to do with our laws.
You're scared of hell aren't you?
Well you should be but why do you keep bringing hell up? Who are you trying to convince, Us or yourself?
You're scared of hell aren't you?
Not in the slightest.QuoteWell you should be but why do you keep bringing hell up? Who are you trying to convince, Us or yourself?
Why do you all keep ignoring it? It's a horrible aspect of your religion, and you know it!
And going to jail is a horrible aspect of life...um, yeah so
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We did not come from apes. We share a common ancestor - as does all life on Earth. We split off into different species and evolved at different rates, adapting to our unique environments. Does that make sense now??
Would you please clarify how you say we split off into different species? I totally get the "biological classification" and "taxonomic rank" so I know the line-up on that. And if we supposedly all started off from 1 organism, then who made the organism in the first place? It sure didn't just appear without a deity of some kind creating it.
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We did not come from apes. We share a common ancestor - as does all life on Earth. We split off into different species and evolved at different rates, adapting to our unique environments. Does that make sense now??
Would you please clarify how you say we split off into different species? I totally get the "biological classification" and "taxonomic rank" so I know the line-up on that. And if we supposedly all started off from 1 organism, then who made the organism in the first place? It sure didn't just appear without a deity of some kind creating it.(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8968/634w.jpg)
Ok, I think I understand her a little better now. Other then the hypocritical synagogue of Satan she grew up at she needs three things.You're scared of hell aren't you?
Not in the slightest.QuoteWell you should be but why do you keep bringing hell up? Who are you trying to convince, Us or yourself?
Why do you all keep ignoring it? It's a horrible aspect of your religion, and you know it!
Ok, I think I understand her a little better now. Other then the hypocritical synagogue of Satan she grew up at she needs three things.
Someone to show her and teach her the validity of the bile stones and all.
To tell her why the malediction(slavary, wars etc) was needed
Show her according to the bible that hell is just the common grave of mankind, people get resurrected out of hell.
Ok, I think I understand her a little better now. Other then the hypocritical synagogue of Satan she grew up at she needs three things.
Someone to show her and teach her the validity of the bile stones and all.
2. To tell her why the malediction(slavary, wars etc) was needed and then tell her how the blessings(rewards) overshadow it all.
3. Show her according to the bible that hell is just the common grave of mankind, people get resurrected out of hell.
I'll work on the third one you guys(the christians) work on the first too ok??!!!
Ok, I think I understand her a little better now. Other then the hypocritical synagogue of Satan she grew up at she needs three things.
Are you referring to me? If so, your reply looks quite wacky as I wasn't raised in ANY religion.QuoteSomeone to show her and teach her the validity of the bile stones and all.
The Bible is too riddled with contradictions, logical fallacies, scientific inconsistencies, man-made adaptions, anonymity, plagiarism, human barbarism, etc. to be classified anywhere near the category of "valid".QuoteTo tell her why the malediction(slavary, wars etc) was needed
Yes, because that's THE BEST an all-powerful creator of the universe could do!QuoteShow her according to the bible that hell is just the common grave of mankind, people get resurrected out of hell.
So you're saying I only have to suffer for 9485723618821879210 years before heavenly father forgives me? Aw, what a sweetheart.
QuoteIf someone doesnt believe in hell and you do, to sit there and say they will rot in it, what will that accomplish?
to show your nasty side
I never said they would rot in hell but I said if they don't believe in God they will rot in the ground, it's the truth...ask any atheist what happens to their body when they die! They will say rot in the ground or burn in flames i.e. cremation.
Some people just don't know how to debate, it was a common complaint of mine when I first came in here, that people can't discuss or debate anything without name calling or being mean about it..I wish I could debate and discuss but unless some intelligent opposition comes on here then I don't see that happening.
Dumb...
Great minds think alike...so um...y'all are dumb, if you can't see where I am coming from.
I wish I could debate and discuss but unless some intelligent opposition comes on here then I don't see that happening.
Well put, jordandog! I can honestly say it has happened to me when I get the rebuttals given back to me as mean or mocked, etc. People can be nice and level-headed for awhile, then after that, here comes the "emotional level" and things really get off track because of the "preaching," etc. I should just back off and cool down, and I usually do. It takes a lot to rile me. But recently it was like I just couldn't cool down without putting my two cents back at them. I'm very glad the situation finally calmed down. I enjoy debating, not being put down and trying to "screech" at each other!QuoteI wish I could debate and discuss but unless some intelligent opposition comes on here then I don't see that happening.
If you are the odd man out in D&D, and usually the only one who is, then I honestly do NOT think it's a matter of no intelligent people being here - you know that too, marie. You have been told before that you do contribute at times, you do make good/valid points at times, but you get way off track when you let your emotions start running your thinking. We all let our emotions enter into it because they are a part of us, especially with certain topics, but emotions are NOT the basis of our thoughts and opinions. There is a huge difference when anyone 'debates' on a strictly emotional level - then it is no longer a debate or discussion, it's a 'personal platform' to preach and dictate from. That doesn't work for you or anyone else.
i understand religion is a hot topic. But to get nasty in a debate. instead of being open with ones opinion. :-[She has mental issues and demands attention. Talking to her only makes her worse.
If someone doesnt believe in hell and you do, to sit there and say they will rot in it, what will that accomplish?
to show your nasty side?
i admit i do it too,by doing it too i mean get heated and try to pursuade a person to my beliefs.
but not once do i sit there and get nasty with that person.
and if its not being nasty, maybe put it in a better way or explain it to where people know its not meant to be nasty.
Forums cant show emotions. :dontknow:
but it is interesting hearing everyones side on God. :peace:
i understand religion is a hot topic. But to get nasty in a debate. instead of being open with ones opinion. :-[She has mental issues and demands attention. Talking to her only makes her worse.
If someone doesnt believe in hell and you do, to sit there and say they will rot in it, what will that accomplish?
to show your nasty side?
i admit i do it too,by doing it too i mean get heated and try to pursuade a person to my beliefs.
but not once do i sit there and get nasty with that person.
and if its not being nasty, maybe put it in a better way or explain it to where people know its not meant to be nasty.
Forums cant show emotions. :dontknow:
but it is interesting hearing everyones side on God. :peace:
i understand religion is a hot topic. But to get nasty in a debate. instead of being open with ones opinion. :-[She has mental issues and demands attention. Talking to her only makes her worse.
If someone doesnt believe in hell and you do, to sit there and say they will rot in it, what will that accomplish?
to show your nasty side?
i admit i do it too,by doing it too i mean get heated and try to pursuade a person to my beliefs.
but not once do i sit there and get nasty with that person.
and if its not being nasty, maybe put it in a better way or explain it to where people know its not meant to be nasty.
Forums cant show emotions. :dontknow:
but it is interesting hearing everyones side on God. :peace:
ive seen alot of mean post about her. You know its good to be emotional over what you believe and when you put it in the conversation it shows how strong you believe in it. To say someone has mental issues isnt right. i dont think she does. i know mental issues because on eof my uncles is mental and i can not see him. But since this is a conversation about God, i can see where you think talking to her makes it worse. Maybe its not the same opinion as you and after awhile of a heated debate you lack the same control as earlier in the conversation cause it gets nowhere. Same as she. everone does it. :peace:
She's completely bonkers. Very few times she adds to the discussion, but the majority of the time she doesn't.
Cuppycake, your Halloween-themed avatar is adorable!Thanks! It is an avatar I use to represent myslef and my husband lol! He calls me a cat and I say he is a bear! ♥ I changed the picture up a bit to make it a holiday version! :D
I try to warn people not to feed the troll lol.QuoteShe's completely bonkers. Very few times she adds to the discussion, but the majority of the time she doesn't.
I corrected your post, Amy.
Oh and hey, Armychick! FYI- Marie's the perfect example of an internet troll so don't bother arguing with her at all.
Cuppycake, your Halloween-themed avatar is adorable!Thanks! It is an avatar I use to represent myslef and my husband lol! He calls me a cat and I say he is a bear! ♥ I changed the picture up a bit to make it a holiday version! :D
Cuppycake, your Halloween-themed avatar is adorable!I changed the picture up a bit to make it a holiday version! :D
How does a person know that hell doesn't exist- have they been there?- you know it's pretty funny that if you ask people if they believe in heaven, they don't have a problem with it, but when you say that there is a hell to punish people, they have a problem with a big bad mean God who created hell for them if they don't accept him. Let me ask you if it is fair that a person or persons should be able to commit a crime and not be punished?- you would say no, should they go to prison-
but it is not fair to live the way you want, do bad things, not be sorry and go to a place called hell- sounds right to me.
What religion, if any do you see as valid?- give me the reason that your religion of choice is so great.
I am all for respecting others beliefs, as long as they respect mine- blowing up people, in the name of your religion, or doing other destructive acts is not right, I don't care what religion it is- we must respect, and have debate, but not harm each other.
QuoteIt seems wrong that hell should exist in the manner that many religious describe it. It is eternal torture for the ones who don't believe in Jesus/G-d. How is a loving parent so vengeful that they would do this to the worst of their children? How could a loving parent submit their child to this eternal torture just for not believing in them? Doesn't sound very loving to me.Maybe it is just a simple seperation from God. If they don't believe he exists or there is an after life, then they can just rot in the ground like they believe they will do.
They in the end seperated themselves from God, not the other way around.
QuoteJust because we don't believe in Jesus as a Messiah or g-d figure doesn't mean we do bad things. For that matter, if a person does something bad and feels sorry for it...what if they apologize to the person they have wronged but are still an atheist? Are they deserving of hell? More so than someone who kneels at the side of their bed and prays to g-d for forgiveness?
If you are evil in the heart and refuse God, then what do you expect? Jesus will look at you and say "I never knew you" and he doesn't.
If you are that concerned with Hell, then maybe you need to find God, otherwise accept your punishment.
QuoteYou telling me I need to find g-d? That's funny. There is nothing evil about my heart, and I don't refuse g-d. And I'm not concerned with hell...it doesn't exist...I was responding to tammy.
Do you just like to cause mayhem?
One thing people should know about how I speak online, when I say you...I mean in general, to whomever it concerns.
Here is me being the rudest I can be...if you don't like the answers someone gives, then quit asking questions and answer them your damn self...answer them, to whatever suits you. Geez!! :peace:
Well guess what, those are my answers, those are my beliefs and that's how I think...I am like 1 step away from being an atheist, you know...because I don't think like believers and really can't. I bounce back and forth, o'well that's me.Here is me being the rudest I can be...if you don't like the answers someone gives, then quit asking questions and answer them your damn self...answer them, to whatever suits you. Geez!! :peace:This isn't about not liking the answers someone gives...when they give a decent, well thought out answer. This is about an exchange of ideas. You could take your own advice. You don't put any thought into your "The Bible says so" answers...you really think we're all that stupid to think that it doesn't say that? Many of us have clearly read the bible while you have admitted you haven't, but this discussion isn't all about the bible. I was asking tammy questions and asking her to think outside the bible. I'm sorry if you misunderstood... but there is no excuse for the rudeness I have seen from you everywhere on this forum...and everyone is tired of the pity party. I would feel much differently if you were actually making an effort to be a member of the forum instead of a PITA...but no matter how many times people ask you nicely or try to help you, it doesn't work.
1 day I am an atheist, the next agnostic or an agnostic believer. It is well thought out to me, so what the f- ever.
QuoteAnd, to pull out Godwin's Law here, Hitler the Catholic who believed he was doing g-d's work had a place in heaven while someone like QON, Jordandog, or Falconer wouldn't because they don't believe in g-d. How is that right?
Because God says so.
QuoteI don't accept Jesus as my savior...is there a place in hell for me, too?
That is what the bible says.
Doesn't sound to me like you're doing much thinking here.
I really don't care...I believe what I believe and it isn't what the majority of people believe. I believe things that people think are strange and weird, but you know, who cares.
It is well thought out...but the majority of people on the forum just don't know how to stimulate my mind...I really wish someone could because I would love to go into great detail about my beliefs.
I think the bible may have some truth to it but a lot of it is :bs: and that's why I don't rely on the bible for my answers, like many do.
Lots of people talk about hell but it seems silly, if you don't believe in God to keep bringing it up. Unless of course you're worried it may be the truth.
I tell you this, I have on many occassions, spoke to spirits and seen them...yet, most believers say it is nuts or weird...I almost want to laugh at them because...I talk to God, I mean literally talk to God and he talks back...so what about you.
Really you guys are barking up the wrong tree here.
QuoteDoesn't sound to me like you're doing much thinking here.
AMY. IT'S HER. HOW CAN YOU EXPECT ANYTHING ELSE?
I really don't care...I believe what I believe and it isn't what the majority of people believe. I believe things that people think are strange and weird, but you know, who cares.
QuoteI could shoot that right back at you, because many of the things you talk about could be deemed as witchcraft in the bible and therefore you should be burned alive.
Good thing, they don't do this stuff anymore, huh? I could go on a rant but I won't and will just leave it as is.
I think it is strange that people who believe in God think this stuff is strange, but yeah whatever.
The reason, I go back and forth though, is well I expect it from non believers but when believers say stuff about my abilities, it makes me question if it is real...If I thought it wasn't real, there would be no reason for me to believe in God and I would be an atheist or whatever the word for a person who knows there is no God...not just someone who doesn't believe.
This stuff, this strange stuff that happens to me, is why I believe, and when people bark up this tree...it's like wtf...to me it seems like the Devil is trying to tear me down...but I am strong...I hope he doesn't win though..
How does a person know that hell doesn't exist- have they been there?-
you know it's pretty funny that if you ask people if they believe in heaven, they don't have a problem with it, but when you say that there is a hell to punish people, they have a problem with a big bad mean God who created hell for them if they don't accept him.
God, who created us all, and has has a peanalty for sin, because he created us, he has a right to make the rules, and those are the rules he made, believe it or not.
For those who say we came form something, how do you say we were created- what's your theory?-
see if if it sounds more rational than a Being that created the beautiful world we have and everything in it.
hell is not a horrible aspect of Christianity
I assure you that when they take their last breath, it is the God they say they don't believe in that they will call
there are no athiests in fox holes
when all hope is gone, you won't call on your family, friends, job, lover, or government, you will call on the one that your soul knows can save it- period.
you will not sleep in hell, you will be alive, and in torment forever(yes, I said forever)- that is the price for unbelief- whether you think it harsh or not
QuoteI don't accept Jesus as my savior...is there a place in hell for me, too?
That is what the bible says.
but man wrote the bible. im not disclaiming it as god word. but who is it to say that the person who wrote it (i believe a disciple) did not wrote that because he believes it to be? I know red was added to put as i think not gods word but mans? (correct me on that if i am wrong please.) But you can not prove that man did not put his words as God's when he wrote it. If you can please please prove me on this. i have still yet to find someone who can prove me on this. and just saying it is gods words is not disputing this.
i also have a question about ...jehova...[sp?] witnesses. we all have had them come to our doors one time or another. if anybody can make it why do they say only a cartain amount will make it i forget the exact number. what will happen to the rest and how will God sort them out. What if their are more then that number? will he just pick the ones who have sinned less? Could someone clarified this for me. Cause as far as the Jehova witnesses told me is even if i repent i will more then likely never make it to heaven because of all my sins and for not letting god into my life sooner. i was told this i believe when i was ten and answered my door because i had only been to church for about a year. i slammed the door on their face. but i would love to have someone explain their beliefs a little more. are they like the snob religion of God? Not to sound rude or anything.
but man wrote the bible. im not disclaiming it as god word. but who is it to say that the person who wrote it (i believe a disciple) did not wrote that because he believes it to be? I know red was added to put as i think not gods word but mans? (correct me on that if i am wrong please.) But you can not prove that man did not put his words as God's when he wrote it. If you can please please prove me on this. i have still yet to find someone who can prove me on this. and just saying it is gods words is not disputing this.
There is contention about who the actual author(s) of the bible was/were. Many believe the OT was divinely inspired and given to Moses by g-d with the ten commandments. Others believe there are 3-4 authors. In the NT, the red words are the ones Jesus spoke, and the black is what is written by the authors. A good resource I've found on this is www.religioustolerance.org.Quotei also have a question about ...jehova...[sp?] witnesses. we all have had them come to our doors one time or another. if anybody can make it why do they say only a cartain amount will make it i forget the exact number. what will happen to the rest and how will God sort them out. What if their are more then that number? will he just pick the ones who have sinned less? Could someone clarified this for me. Cause as far as the Jehova witnesses told me is even if i repent i will more then likely never make it to heaven because of all my sins and for not letting god into my life sooner. i was told this i believe when i was ten and answered my door because i had only been to church for about a year. i slammed the door on their face. but i would love to have someone explain their beliefs a little more. are they like the snob religion of God? Not to sound rude or anything.
Eh, I don't know much about them, except for the fact that Jehovah is not g-d's real name. G-d's name was written in Hebrew without vowels, and the pronunciation was lost with the destruction of the temple, so no one knows the real pronunciation of g-d's name. What happened is that the vowels from the word "Adonai" meaning "my ruler" were lifted from the word and placed on top of the four letters symbolizing g-d's name (the tetragrammaton) and voila! Jehovah. Same can be said for Yahweh...not g-d's name...we don't know what g-d's name is except for "I AM", but we have nearly 100 different words we can use to call upon g-d.
If you are interested in reading more about them, though, here is their official website: http://www.watchtower.org/. Knowledge is power! :thumbsup:
The no vowels in hebrew arguement is fallacious.
QuoteThe no vowels in hebrew arguement is fallacious.
Your proof of this? I am very interested in seeing a reply from one person in particular if she sees this one. It is basically taking the initial premise of the Jewish/Hebrew faith, it's guidelines, and the interpretation of all it's texts and saying they are false.
QuoteThe no vowels in hebrew arguement is fallacious.
Your proof of this? I am very interested in seeing a reply from one person in particular if she sees this one. It is basically taking the initial premise of the Jewish/Hebrew faith, it's guidelines, and the interpretation of all it's texts and saying they are false.
It's fallacious because the hebrew language had no vowels
The no vowels in hebrew arguement is fallacious. You could say that about every word in the hebrew language.
they continue to say that the things that happened in the bible are not factual- I believe they happened, and that is all the proof I need.
I would rather believe that the supreme being (God) created me , than to believe the ridiculous notion that we came from apes.
I would rather believe that if I live for God that he will give me a reward of being in heaven with him forever than believe that I will come back as a bug or flower.
I would rather believe that God created this beautiful earth and all of the wonders of creation than believe it just somehow showed up on its own- why wouldn't you?
I would rather believe that the supreme being (God) created me , than to believe the ridiculous notion that we came from apes.
QuoteThe no vowels in hebrew arguement is fallacious.
Your proof of this? I am very interested in seeing a reply from one person in particular if she sees this one. It is basically taking the initial premise of the Jewish/Hebrew faith, it's guidelines, and the interpretation of all it's texts and saying they are false.
QuoteI would rather believe that the supreme being (God) created me , than to believe the ridiculous notion that we came from apes.
:angry7: :BangHead: Go ahead and call me crazy. I really am beginning to think there is a secret message on FC that only new posters who believe in god and the Bible are able to view. It specifically instructs all of them to make sure they include the above idea in any topic/discussion dealing with even the slightest hint of where man came from. I hope to one day be able to crack that code and wipe it off this site - permanently! It will then be replaced with this, which they will be required to type and say out loud 100 times, before permission is given to access the site each time they come on:
We did NOT evolve from apes, but share a common ancestor.
QuoteI would rather believe that the supreme being (God) created me , than to believe the ridiculous notion that we came from apes.
:angry7: :BangHead: Go ahead and call me crazy. I really am beginning to think there is a secret message on FC that only new posters who believe in god and the Bible are able to view. It specifically instructs all of them to make sure they include the above idea in any topic/discussion dealing with even the slightest hint of where man came from. I hope to one day be able to crack that code and wipe it off this site - permanently! It will then be replaced with this, which they will be required to type and say out loud 100 times, before permission is given to access the site each time they come on:
We did NOT evolve from apes, but share a common ancestor.
Could you please explain who and/or what the common ancestor was and the proof? Thank you.
The things in the bible are facts if you believe them- there are many things that have not been proven as fact- scientists are still studying them, but people accept it, but they continue to say that the things that happened in the bible are not factual- I believe they happened, and that is all the proof I need. I would rather believe that the supreme being (God) created me , than to believe the ridiculous notion that we came from apes. I would rather believe that if I live for God that he will give me a reward of being in heaven with him forever than believe that I will come back as a bug or flower. I would rather believe that God created this beautiful earth and all of the wonders of creation than believe it just somehow showed up on its own- why wouldn't you?. Man wrote the bible as inspired by God- an autubiography if you will, written by the prophets, apostles, and disciples hand picked by God himself- what an honor. Christianity is not a "snob" religion, there are some, of course like anyone who misuse the priviledge, but no true Christian believes he or she is better than anyone- just forgiven. The bible says there will only be 144,000 people I plan to be one of them- I don't know why God chose that number- I asume that it is because 144,00 angels (1/3 of heaven) with satan fell to the earth when rebelled against God- I suppose that that is seperate from the "number" that couldn't be numbered that John talked about in the bible- I would have to read up on it. the Jehovah Witnesses put a lot of emphasis on that, but they lack in other areas of truth in the bible. There is nothing false about hebrew text- you have to study it to really understand it.
I get we share a common ancester, but weren't these common ancestors parents the apes...
The no vowels in hebrew arguement is fallacious. You could say that about every word in the hebrew language. As for heaven being limited revelation states that only 144,000 will be apart of the first resurrection(A.K.A as firstfruits):thumbsup:
Revelation 14:1-4.
"what will happen to the rest and how will God sort them out. What if their are more then that number? will he just pick the ones who have sinned less? Could someone clarified this for me. Cause as far as the Jehova witnesses told me is even if i repent i will more then likely never make it to heaven because of all my sins and for not letting god into my life sooner. i was told this i believe when i was ten and answered my door because i had only been to church for about a year.
1. They're will not be more then 144,000 (Revelation 14:1-4), it's the individuals choice to determine whether your part of that group or not. People who are of the 144,000 are not to boast about it, and the JW's don't scold people that claim it. For the JW that told you that i'm srry, the truth is it's your choice.
2. The rest will be on earth, it's true there's no phrase in the bible that says paradise earth, however they are prophecies that only occurs on earth.
"Evildoers themselves will be cut off, but those hoping in Jehovah are the ones that will possess the earth."—Psalm 37:9
There will come to be plenty of grain on the earth; on the top of the mountains there will be an overflow Psalm 72:16)
Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth( Matthew 5:5)
The sheep and goats parable helps to undertand how he will srt them out, witht the help of his son.
Hope this helps.
The no vowels in hebrew arguement is fallacious. You could say that about every word in the hebrew language. As for heaven being limited revelation states that only 144,000 will be apart of the first resurrection(A.K.A as firstfruits):thumbsup:
Revelation 14:1-4.
"what will happen to the rest and how will God sort them out. What if their are more then that number? will he just pick the ones who have sinned less? Could someone clarified this for me. Cause as far as the Jehova witnesses told me is even if i repent i will more then likely never make it to heaven because of all my sins and for not letting god into my life sooner. i was told this i believe when i was ten and answered my door because i had only been to church for about a year.
1. They're will not be more then 144,000 (Revelation 14:1-4), it's the individuals choice to determine whether your part of that group or not. People who are of the 144,000 are not to boast about it, and the JW's don't scold people that claim it. For the JW that told you that i'm srry, the truth is it's your choice.
2. The rest will be on earth, it's true there's no phrase in the bible that says paradise earth, however they are prophecies that only occurs on earth.
"Evildoers themselves will be cut off, but those hoping in Jehovah are the ones that will possess the earth."—Psalm 37:9
There will come to be plenty of grain on the earth; on the top of the mountains there will be an overflow Psalm 72:16)
Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth( Matthew 5:5)
The sheep and goats parable helps to undertand how he will srt them out, witht the help of his son.
Hope this helps.
thanks
I am very glad there are sane people like you in this world. ♥they continue to say that the things that happened in the bible are not factual- I believe they happened, and that is all the proof I need.
You will fall victim to many a scam in your life with an attitude like that. Skepticism is healthy and is the default position.QuoteI would rather believe that the supreme being (God) created me , than to believe the ridiculous notion that we came from apes.
So you'd rather believe in "what feels good" at all costs in lieu of the actual truth? Well at least you're honest in that regard. You're in good company...the main reason so many people can't let go of their unfounded beliefs is because they're terrified of a reality without them.QuoteI would rather believe that if I live for God that he will give me a reward of being in heaven with him forever than believe that I will come back as a bug or flower.
Hmm, a lot more people believe in actual death than reincarnation. Why didn't you address that? You're sentence should read:
I would rather believe that if I live for God that he will give me a reward of being in heaven with him forever than believe that this life is it; when you die, you are actually dead.QuoteI would rather believe that God created this beautiful earth and all of the wonders of creation than believe it just somehow showed up on its own- why wouldn't you?
Why are the good things of the world any less good without a god? Actually, they are infinitely more precious BECAUSE they didn't appear by magic and BECAUSE they won't last forever.
I am very glad there are sane people like you in this world. ♥
Your mom.I am very glad there are sane people like you in this world. ♥
Aw, thanks! Right back at ya, Cuppycake! :heart:
Yep you guys should be so proud of yourselves.
if something happens after we die then there is a God BUT you have to die first, for the truth to be revealed.
I think you have to know who you are. Get to know the monster that lives in your soul, dive deep into your soul and explore it.I read all of you quotes and I have to stop you. Only you on here want everyone to treat you with respect with your religion, yet you belittle everyone else's. You have to give respect to earn it.
Naaaa she just demands to be seen and gets off on getting rises out of everyone.I think you have to know who you are. Get to know the monster that lives in your soul, dive deep into your soul and explore it.I read all of you quotes and I have to stop you. Only you on here want everyone to treat you with respect with your religion, yet you belittle everyone else's. You have to give respect to earn it.
Yep..that's why you make dozens of topics and lock them immediately so no one can discuss or disagree. I totally agree with Amy that you have to give respect to earn it and the sooner you start respecting other peoples opinions and beliefs no matter if they share yours or not you will see that you will get respect in return. Somehow at this time I doubt that will happen though as it sure appears your just out to get attention.Naaaa she just demands to be seen and gets off on getting rises out of everyone.I think you have to know who you are. Get to know the monster that lives in your soul, dive deep into your soul and explore it.I read all of you quotes and I have to stop you. Only you on here want everyone to treat you with respect with your religion, yet you belittle everyone else's. You have to give respect to earn it.
Not true, I hate disorder! I like things to be harmonious. I don't demand to be seen. I am just in here having discussions like everyone else, granted I post a lot more but yeah.
Isn't it absolutely amazing that there are 39 pages to this discussion so far?
Many of the people who respond with critical remarks about those who do believe, are some of those who want there to be a God.
My wild and crazy brother who died at 50 because of his lifestyle always put people down who said there was a God. He just couldn't understand why people could believe something they couldn't see. He wanted to know so badly, that in the last few months of his life, he accepted Jesus. He saw his thoughts about life changing. He's in heaven now, praise God! :angel12:
Please stop insulting someone regarding their belief and what happened with her brother. At least he had a reassurance in his experience, and it's not your concern to call his reasoning delusional. You are talking of a dead brother here, that made his going secure in the Lord. You are crossing the line of respect with this, qon.
Your arguments are really beginning to sound like rationalizations for your denouncing of God.
I appreciate your comments, Falconer. I was going by the way she came back at ljnana by saying "How dare you...." That is not respectful in that type of answer to what the poster was trying to share.QuotePlease stop insulting someone regarding their belief and what happened with her brother. At least he had a reassurance in his experience, and it's not your concern to call his reasoning delusional. You are talking of a dead brother here, that made his going secure in the Lord. You are crossing the line of respect with this, qon.
This being an argument, I'm sure she didn't mean it in a disrespectful way. It's hard to manuever around personal stories of individuals without stepping on a landmine while in an argument. It happens. I've done this plenty of times.QuoteYour arguments are really beginning to sound like rationalizations for your denouncing of God.
It's true though- most non-believers used to be believers in a religion. If we were raised as NB's, it probably wouldn't be as much of an issue. But since we've experienced it and see the problems, it strikes a harder chord with us.
I had an AMAZING weekend spent in wonderful worship in the presence of God and I have been refreshed! :heart: ;D
I love my God SO SO much! No one can get me down right now lol.
If people can sit in bars getting drunk and trying to fill some kind of void with alcohol and meaningless small talk with strangers....
Why call me stupid for being in church on Sunday morning filling my spirit with the Word of God?
If people can stand up and scream at the top of their lungs and do happy dances at a sports event when their team is winning...
Why call me crazy for shouting with joy for what God has done for me?
If people can laugh giddily because they are in love....
Why call me ridiculous for being giddy about my first love Jesus Christ?
If people can hold up their hands and lighters at concerts for a song about the worldly things....
Why call me silly for lifting my hands in worship to a wonderful God?
Well, it really doesn't matter what you call me because nothing will stop me from being filled with His Word
Nothing will stop me from shouting for joy
Nothing will stop me from being giddy about the unconditional love of Jesus
Nothing will stop me from lifting my hands in worship
So call me whatever you want,
stupid, crazy, ridiculous, silly; but don't forget to add CHILD OF GOD! ;D
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I was going by the way she came back at ljnana by saying "How dare you...." That is not respectful in that type of answer to what the poster was trying to share.
If people can sit in bars getting drunk and trying to fill some kind of void with alcohol and meaningless small talk with strangers....
Why call me stupid for being in church on Sunday morning filling my spirit with the Word of God?
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If people can stand up and scream at the top of their lungs and do happy dances at a sports event when their team is winning...
Why call me crazy for shouting with joy for what God has done for me?
If people can laugh giddily because they are in love....
Why call me ridiculous for being giddy about my first love Jesus Christ?
If people can hold up their hands and lighters at concerts for a song about the worldly things....
Why call me silly for lifting my hands in worship to a wonderful God?
*sigh* Calling it "sappy, emotional conversion story" is contradicting yourself. Yes, it is trying to be disrespectful. * ::) *I was going by the way she came back at ljnana by saying "How dare you...." That is not respectful in that type of answer to what the poster was trying to share.
I said "how dare you" because I didn't think it was respectful of HER to insinuate that because her brother lived a "wild atheist lifestyle", THAT contributed to his early demise. Did you just skip over that part when reading it?
As for the rest of it, I wasn't trying to be disrespectful, I was just pointing out that a sappy, emotional conversion story is not "evidence" for god whatsoever.
I was going by the way she came back at ljnana by saying "How dare you...." That is not respectful in that type of answer to what the poster was trying to share.
I said "how dare you" because I didn't think it was respectful of HER to insinuate that because her brother lived a "wild atheist lifestyle", THAT contributed to his early demise. Did you just skip over that part when reading it?
@jcribb,
I took what ljnana said in the same way sflynt did ie "I really don't think she was trying to say that his wild "Athiest" lifestyle was what killed him... I believe She was just trying to state that he lived a wild and crazy lifestyle that lead to his death, and he was also an athiest, that turned to God before his passing."
I believe you are mistaking sflynt's words as a defense of QON's reply and that is NOT what she was referring to. She was breaking down ljnana's reply about it, and not QON's. You are disagreeing with sflynt for the wrong thing here, the replies are being confused. Do you see what I am saying? If you want to say QON 'twisted' ljnana's words that is one thing, but disagreeing with sflynt about what she said should not enter into it - she is NOT talking about or addressing QON's reply to ljnana.
This has turned into complete confusion.
If people can sit in bars getting drunk and trying to fill some kind of void with alcohol and meaningless small talk with strangers....
Why call me stupid for being in church on Sunday morning filling my spirit with the Word of God?
You nailed it on the head - that's exactly what it is (except you cheated and replaced void with "spirit"). * Insert people thinking I'm being disrespectful * ;)Quote[/b][/i]
If people can stand up and scream at the top of their lungs and do happy dances at a sports event when their team is winning...
Why call me crazy for shouting with joy for what God has done for me?
Hmm...if plenty of people can have the exact same feelings about things that AREN'T god, kinda seems like said feelings are all in your head.QuoteIf people can laugh giddily because they are in love....
Why call me ridiculous for being giddy about my first love Jesus Christ?
Because their crushes are REAL and yours is...invisible. Undetectable. Based on a man that may have never lived at all.QuoteIf people can hold up their hands and lighters at concerts for a song about the worldly things....
Why call me silly for lifting my hands in worship to a wonderful God?
Again, is the strong emotional experience not A CLUE that god is all inside your head??
I am not trying to be dissagreeable, but you guys need to think and see if the statements are pointed at you or if they could be taken a different way before you get silly again.
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Oh, I forgot to say, Queenofnines and your friends, I din't mean Tony died at 50 for any reason except, the habits and addictions destroyed his health. Stop acting goofy!
I'm sorry. I didn't even know who was who when I wrote that accept I had read some negative responses. I only noticed the names of the ones who had talked positive at what I said and queenofnines because her statements are so strong. I didn't notice any other names.
You're welcome, sflynt! ;) I know we all get confused at times and I was just trying to stop it before it went any further.
You're welcome, sflynt! ;) I know we all get confused at times and I was just trying to stop it before it went any further.
Thanks, sflynt and jordandog! I was only "speaking" to qon on that particular post. I am glad you clarified it sflynt - in no way were my words directed at ljnana and her brother's choice. It was totally to qon (and at the time your post did have me thinking it was qon you meant by she, lol) that I intended it to go to. I appreciate you and jordandog clarifying that part of the post!!! :)
ljnana: I am very happy for your brother's decision and the relief you feel, too, to know where he will be for eternity. Yes, it is great to be able to speak nice things to people! You hang in there!!!! Proverbs 3:5-6 :thumbsup: :heart:
God called me to be a prophet. I am suppost to make a new religion, I am suppost to correct the uncorrect scripture, the scripture that has been tainted by human hands.
It's a new world order religion!
QuoteWhen you post stuff like this, it makes you look completely bonkers!
Can I ask you, what stuff is it that I post that makes me look bonkers?
I understand it just well
Now I never agreed with God sending people to hell for any reason and could never understand him ever creating people to begin with if that is what he was going to end up doing.
a) From what I have read, if you WERE called to be a prophet, you have no business saying it or writing it anywhere for others to see. You are supposed to be quiet, listen, and do what you are told while never revealing to anyone that you are.
Quotea) From what I have read, if you WERE called to be a prophet, you have no business saying it or writing it anywhere for others to see. You are supposed to be quiet, listen, and do what you are told while never revealing to anyone that you are.
It's not the Bible you read because actually everyone knew who the prophets were, where they lived, and that God talked to them. A lot of the rulers and Kings would inquire of the Prophet(s) before undertaking something big.....like war. Prophets were always being used by God to take messages to rulers of the land, individuals, or even whole cities when God wanted them to know something. There was no secret who they were, and what they represented.
You may have gotten it mixed up with the point that sometimes God would call a Prophet to do something that they had to keep to themselves for an appointed time (not reveal the message until later).
Jonah was a Prophet that God sent to Nineveh, to warn them of their sin. Some other Prophets are Moses, Aaron, Elija, Elisha, Daniel, Balaam, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Hosea, Amos, etc.
Quotea) From what I have read, if you WERE called to be a prophet, you have no business saying it or writing it anywhere for others to see. You are supposed to be quiet, listen, and do what you are told while never revealing to anyone that you are.
It's not the Bible you read because actually everyone knew who the prophets were, where they lived, and that God talked to them. A lot of the rulers and Kings would inquire of the Prophet(s) before undertaking something big.....like war. Prophets were always being used by God to take messages to rulers of the land, individuals, or even whole cities when God wanted them to know something. There was no secret who they were, and what they represented.
You may have gotten it mixed up with the point that sometimes God would call a Prophet to do something that they had to keep to themselves for an appointed time (not reveal the message until later).
Jonah was a Prophet that God sent to Nineveh, to warn them of their sin. Some other Prophets are Moses, Aaron, Elija, Elisha, Daniel, Balaam, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Hosea, Amos, etc.
Annella,
I should probably have stated I was NOT referring to what the Bible says when I wrote that. I am familiar with what you wrote as far as Prophets and the Bible. I meant things I have read as to who the 'new' prophet(s) will be. They are supposed to be anonymous or undercover (for lack of a better word), quietly do what they are supposed to, and then reveal themselves at the end of the change.
I understand it just well! This God deserves no respect if he created people only to send them to hell. My step dad is an atheist and a very good person, better than a lot of religious people, and he will go to hell?!? That is a bunch of :bs:
pfttt....
Just where are you referring to? I went back over my posts, and the only thing I could find was talking about my medicine, and it's side "effects"....which is used correctly.
Is that all you can do is go over my posts, and pick out my typos or grammatical errors. Pretty pathetic and petty don't ya tink yall huhh...................
I don't think she is being mean or anyone else that does it for that matter...remember in school, when a teacher would point out if you are spelling a word wrong...it is just pointing it out to you or anyone else, I would like it if people pointed it out to me, so I can learn I was spelling things wrong...I spelled awesome, awsome and I googled it and found out I was spelling it wrong.
QuoteIf the conversations on this forum are effecting you so badly, then you need to get off, and find another venue.
Annella this is the post she was referring to.
QuoteIf the conversations on this forum are effecting you so badly, then you need to get off, and find another venue.
Annella this is the post she was referring to.
Yea, tht hpens a lt 2 me wen im tred.
The whole tactic you use by posting a topic in debate and discuss then locking it immediately so that no one can discuss it is disrespectful to everyone here your showing us you don't care what we have to say on the topic you just want to be seen but don't want to hear from others what they think. Do I need to dig up all the threads you have done this on everyone that uses D&D regularly is all to familiar with you doing this.Yep..that's why you make dozens of topics and lock them immediately so no one can discuss or disagree. I totally agree with Amy that you have to give respect to earn it and the sooner you start respecting other peoples opinions and beliefs no matter if they share yours or not you will see that you will get respect in return. Somehow at this time I doubt that will happen though as it sure appears your just out to get attention.Naaaa she just demands to be seen and gets off on getting rises out of everyone.I think you have to know who you are. Get to know the monster that lives in your soul, dive deep into your soul and explore it.I read all of you quotes and I have to stop you. Only you on here want everyone to treat you with respect with your religion, yet you belittle everyone else's. You have to give respect to earn it.
Not true, I hate disorder! I like things to be harmonious. I don't demand to be seen. I am just in here having discussions like everyone else, granted I post a lot more but yeah.
Show me where I disrespected others opinions or beliefs.
No, Marie, it is not kinda funny. That's why I started a new one continued from yours so people could keep on what they were discussing. Strange thing - after I did that, you unlocked yours again...
I just think it is funny that people complain about every little thing.
No, Marie, it is not kinda funny. That's why I started a new one continued from yours so people could keep on what they were discussing. Strange thing - after I did that, you unlocked yours again...
I just think it is funny that people complain about every little thing.
I understand it just well! This God deserves no respect if he created people only to send them to hell. My step dad is an atheist and a very good person, better than a lot of religious people, and he will go to hell?!? That is a bunch of :bs:
You go girl! :thumbsup: This is me acknowledging you talking sense.
The concept of hell is a very good example of showing how the Christian/Muslim god doesn't exist.
I also found it funny that you used the word "affect" correctly and Annella didn't. ;D
Where you been girlfriend......oh wait, people might start putting us together again.
Where you been sweetheart??? :thumbsup:
Marieelisa,
Jesus only sends people to Hell that choose to reject Him as their Savior.
You don't know that for sure, do you? You have said before that it would be better to accept God and have your eternity secure than to not accept Him and not have your eternity secure. You even suggested it for others to think about.Marieelisa,
Jesus only sends people to Hell that choose to reject Him as their Savior.
How can you reject something that doesn't exist?
Marieelisa,That is the best and shortest way to put it! :thumbsup:
Jesus only sends people to Hell that choose to reject Him as their Savior.
You are exactly right - He would not send anyone to hell that accept Him as Christ in their hearts.You don't know that for sure, do you? You have said before that it would be better to accept God and have your eternity secure than to not accept Him and not have your eternity secure. You even suggested it for others to think about.Marieelisa,
Jesus only sends people to Hell that choose to reject Him as their Savior.
How can you reject something that doesn't exist?
I know God very very well...he is so loving that it would be out of his ability to send any one to Hell...think about that for awhile
Then I choose my God. You (in a previous post) are simply looking for a god that will be what you want him to be - that is not reality.You are exactly right - He would not send anyone to hell that accept Him as Christ in their hearts.You don't know that for sure, do you? You have said before that it would be better to accept God and have your eternity secure than to not accept Him and not have your eternity secure. You even suggested it for others to think about.Marieelisa,
Jesus only sends people to Hell that choose to reject Him as their Savior.
How can you reject something that doesn't exist?
I know God very very well...he is so loving that it would be out of his ability to send any one to Hell...think about that for awhile
The God I speak of is not the God you speak of.
if there was a GOD he wouldn't have made criminals so until anyone can answer that i don't believeI don't like it either, but I'm sorry you don't believe. People who commit crimes are making their own choices when they do that. If God had made everyone loving and perfect, then nothing would happen ever, anywhere. So we that believe, and others that don't believe, must work together to try and keep things as safe and secure as we can only do or know how to do, starting with ourselves and our family and our friends. Then, the higher up people need to do the same and punish those who have done the crime.
if there was a GOD he wouldn't have made criminals so until anyone can answer that i don't believe
I understand it just well! This God deserves no respect if he created people only to send them to hell. My step dad is an atheist and a very good person, better than a lot of religious people, and he will go to hell?!? That is a bunch of :bs:
You go girl! :thumbsup: This is me acknowledging you talking sense.
The concept of hell is a very good example of showing how the Christian/Muslim god doesn't exist.
I also found it funny that you used the word "affect" correctly and Annella didn't. ;D
I understand it just well! This God deserves no respect if he created people only to send them to hell. My step dad is an atheist and a very good person, better than a lot of religious people, and he will go to hell?!? That is a bunch of :bs:
You go girl! :thumbsup: This is me acknowledging you talking sense.
The concept of hell is a very good example of showing how the Christian/Muslim god doesn't exist.
I also found it funny that you used the word "affect" correctly and Annella didn't. ;D
Congratulations qon on your new convert. Maybe she can be your poster child for atheism?
What a coup! :thumbsup:
FOR YOUR INFORMATION THE ONLY REASON I EVER BELIEVED IN GOD IS OUT OF FEAR OF GOING TO HELL...UNTIL I REALIZED AN ALL LOVING GOD WOULD NEVER DO THAT.
I understand it just well! This God deserves no respect if he created people only to send them to hell. My step dad is an atheist and a very good person, better than a lot of religious people, and he will go to hell?!? That is a bunch of :bs:
You go girl! :thumbsup: This is me acknowledging you talking sense.
The concept of hell is a very good example of showing how the Christian/Muslim god doesn't exist.
I also found it funny that you used the word "affect" correctly and Annella didn't. ;D
Congratulations qon on your new convert. Maybe she can be your poster child for atheism?
What a coup! :thumbsup:
FOR YOUR INFORMATION THE ONLY REASON I EVER BELIEVED IN GOD IS OUT OF FEAR OF GOING TO HELL...UNTIL I REALIZED AN ALL LOVING GOD WOULD NEVER DO THAT.
Whatever ::)
Yeah keep believing A God will send people to hell if they don't believe. ::)
I'm not sure if there is such thing as help, but if there is, there are so many ppl that I know that may end up there if they do not change their ways.
You know what I think, you people should beshotstopped from telling people they will burn in hell for eternity...it is an insult to our intelligence because we can't tell if God is there or not. I bet you if there is a God, he isn't a personal savior type.
If God had made everyone loving and perfect, then nothing would happen ever, anywhere.
Please stop putting words in my mouth. You can search all the gods you want - I was responding in like kind to what you were implying. I hope that you will be able to peruse through all the different choices and find the one that gives you contentment and peace.Then I choose my God. You (in a previous post) are simply looking for a god that will be what you want him to be - that is not reality.You are exactly right - He would not send anyone to hell that accept Him as Christ in their hearts.You don't know that for sure, do you? You have said before that it would be better to accept God and have your eternity secure than to not accept Him and not have your eternity secure. You even suggested it for others to think about.Marieelisa,
Jesus only sends people to Hell that choose to reject Him as their Savior.
How can you reject something that doesn't exist?
I know God very very well...he is so loving that it would be out of his ability to send any one to Hell...think about that for awhile
The God I speak of is not the God you speak of.
I am searching for the real God...whoever that may be! I want to be sure I know the real God, be it zeus, Allah, Jehova, Jah or just me. Now you are gonna tell me about reality?!? Ha, Hey GOD where are you? I don't see you! I have to believe in something that someone else said because I can cope now with the thought of going to hell. Geez...God isn't reality, that is why we have to believe.
Now you are going to tell me my God isn't real...wow, :thumbsup:
I said "if."If God had made everyone loving and perfect, then nothing would happen ever, anywhere.
Hmm, I think you're going to have a problem in "heaven" then!!!
If God had made everyone loving and perfect, then nothing would happen ever, anywhere.
Hmm, I think you're going to have a problem in "heaven" then!!!
I took it as such. Just a petty remark to try and rile me. Doesn't bother me!If God had made everyone loving and perfect, then nothing would happen ever, anywhere.
Hmm, I think you're going to have a problem in "heaven" then!!!
For someone who touts that they use to be a Christian, and knows what the Bible says, makes your statement totally uncalled for. Unless all you were doing was taking a verbal "spar" at Jcribb.
:thumbsup:I took it as such. Just a petty remark to try and rile me. Doesn't bother me!If God had made everyone loving and perfect, then nothing would happen ever, anywhere.
Hmm, I think you're going to have a problem in "heaven" then!!!
For someone who touts that they use to be a Christian, and knows what the Bible says, makes your statement totally uncalled for. Unless all you were doing was taking a verbal "spar" at Jcribb.
I got something for you guys, all of you people just believing in God to be safe i.e. not go to hell and/or see if he is there, this isn't true belief, You can't trick or fool God.I'm not pretending. My faith is real, genuine, loving and fearful (He is God, after all, and He expects me to live my life for Him. Sometimes that is very hard considering we all are sinners and human and get our own selves in trouble. I'm glad He is forgiving, as well.)
So if you just believe in God to be safe then that will put you in hell because you do it out of fear...You are not accepting him or wanting him, you are just afraid of what he will do to you.
So, no I think you need to really believe in God to get to heaven, not just pretend.
I got something for you guys, all of you people just believing in God to be safe i.e. not go to hell and/or see if he is there, this isn't true belief, You can't trick or fool God.
So if you just believe in God to be safe then that will put you in hell because you do it out of fear...You are not accepting him or wanting him, you are just afraid of what he will do to you.
So, no I think you need to really believe in God to get to heaven, not just pretend.
I think it's so amazing that the old testament is full of stories of people who loved God with all their heart. People like to say the God of the old testament is so cruel....but people lived in grace even then. David wrote so many hymns and praises to God, the God that some here have called a maniac. David loved God with all his heart and you can feel his heart pouring out in his psalms! :heart::thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
The law was harsh but it showed the need for the Messiah. The law showed we can't be good enough, Jesus came so we could be righteous through Him and stand blameless before the throne of God! God is so good!
I've seen that picture, and it merely inspires awe at God and how big and awesome He is :thumbsup:
You're right, I believed in God out of fear. There really is no reason for me to believe in something I am not sure exists or not but since the hell part of it is there, I just went ahead and believed so I never had to go to hell, just incase this God is the real God.
marie, I am not sure about a lot of things but if you love God and want to know more about you. You will NOT go to hell. Even if you don't believe in heaven or hell, even if you don't understand everything in the bible. If you believe Jesus died for your sins, you are saved.
I say this, not in answer to WHY God would send anyone there but to help assure you that you don't have to fear it.
I have been afraid I will go to hell for the longest time...it gets overwhelming sometimes. I wish I could like talk to God and ask him if I am going.
If a person does not believe in hell, then he/she does not really believe the Bible.
yep, that's like sayin':QuoteIf a person does not believe in hell, then he/she does not really believe the Bible.
Absolutely brilliant deduction, Holmes!
:cat: Mackenzie!!!! I've missed you!!! Glad to see you back! :)
Where you been girlfriend......oh wait, people might start putting us together again.
Where you been sweetheart??? :thumbsup:
Did you all know that SCIENTISTS have proved that there is a section of the brain that is not available for use to anyone who does not believe in God. It is only used when God is showing an individual an awesome secret. Many scientists have become Christians when they had planned to devote their entire lives to prove there was no God. In trying to prove this, they found out instead that there is a God. Amen! 8)
That seems to be the way it is on the forums and in life...Yeah, if you believe in God, you're not intelligent...so just die...hahaha well maybe atheists don't want you to die but they will have fun making fun of you. :wave:Okay let me stop you there,, retard? Really? How rude and selfish of you.
Well i'm a retard, because I believe in something greater than myself, and you are arrogant to assume that just because someone does, that they are stupid- what do you beleive in?. you want to bow the the altar of science, then go ahead, but all I can say is you better not be wrong, because if you are, you will spend eternity in hell.
I don't like anyone using the word "retard", period. Retarded people often have more intelligence than so-called "smart" or so-called "normal" people. To use the word "retard" as a put down just isn't right. Come to think of it, put downs are unnecessary at any age.
I don't like anyone using the word "retard", period. Retarded people often have more intelligence than so-called "smart" or so-called "normal" people. To use the word "retard" as a put down just isn't right. Come to think of it, put downs are unnecessary at any age.
I know what you mean, even if literally speaking they do not have more intelligence. Sometimes it's the simplest people that have the biggest hearts and most compassion.
I believe in God, and get called unintelligent all the time on this forum by atheists or people that don't share my beliefs.
well the important thing is that you know who you are and who you belong to. if anyone says anything different than that is ill-informed by choice.
i believe in god, and i dislike when people tell me i shouldnt. i believe in him for a reason. and that will never change.
QuoteMost people that have an earnings banner that high in that short amount of time get kicked off Fusion Cash because of fraud.
Hehe, you talking about fraud, that's funny. Have you ever seen the number of referrals missijl has? I have and it's amazing! 8)
I think there's only one retarded person in D+D and most of us know who that one person is.
I would question the belief in a god who only chooses the ones with mental handicaps/disorders to experience his awesomeness.
But please stop making a mockery of other people's faiths and beliefs. That's part of debating accepting the fact that people have different opinion's and beliefs its not an open crusade to convert everyone over to your personal beliefs.
Well i'm a retard, because I believe in something greater than myself, and you are arrogant to assume that just because someone does, that they are stupid- what do you beleive in?. you want to bow the the altar of science, then go ahead, but all I can say is you better not be wrong, because if you are, you will spend eternity in hell.
The #1 greatest harm of being just a "moderate" Christian is: you're still a member of a club where some people do horrible things under the cover of the same beliefs that you share. The more people that are in the club, the more encouragement is given to the mindset that makes some people feel justified murdering gays, tormenting a woman who got an abortion to the point of suicide, voting against civil rights, miring our children's educational system, etc.
The #2 greatest harm even for a "moderate" believer is: once they've allowed magical, impossible, woo-woo thinking to infiltrate their brain, they're going to be more susceptible to other B.S. throughout their life. This includes - on the small-scale - of falling for scams, to the greater dangers of putting too much trust in a pastor that says donate $100 and god will fix all of their debt problems.that's the biggest crap I have heard. God is on another level girl.
Another example is let's say a believer is held up in an alley and a voice inside their head - that they think is god - says, "You don't have to give him the money. Tell him about Christ, and you'll be okay." And so you say that and guess what happens? Your husband beside you gets shot directly because you thought "god" was going to get you out of this mess. Don't tell me that something like this couldn't happen, because I've been a Christian and I know the mindset, and it most certainly does!
It hasn't been disproved either BECAUSE you don't have the resources and only limited minds.
The #3 greatest harm deals with this. Has life after death been proven? No, not even in the slightest.
When y'all think of a "soul", most of the time you're referring to your personality, but guess what? Personality is located 100% in the brain.Your soul is your energy, your heart in a way.
But anyway, back to the harm...so you are having people convince themselves of a lie just because they're sad about death. They may, in turn, take their one and only life for granted if they think the "real" life starts after they die. It is a death cult: don't worry too much about living *this* life to the fullest, because it is just the doormat you wipe your feet on before entering eternity (of which we have no proof of). If someone dies in a car wreck and has their soul - er, brain - splattered all over the highway, instead of remembering them and actually grieving, we can forget about them over a weekend simply because we say they're in magical Happy Land.They may but not all people, I live my life like there is no tomorrow and I have had a nice life.
The only harm then, is to the one who does not accept the "message" and goes to hell.
Queen has posted this video before, and I agree with it. http://www.youtube.com/user/gogreen18?blend=4&ob=4
The reason why many atheists (and some believers) care about religion so much is because many followers use it when it comes to government. The mirror can be flipped. If a believer is so staunchly in support of their religion, why do they feel the need to use it to legislate? Gay rights, reproductive and sexual rights (Sarah Palin comes to mind here, esp when looking at her daughter and how birth control could have come in handy), and so many other progressive issues are being pushed down by conservative believers that feel their morals should be utilized hand in hand with legislation. Think homosexuality is a sin? Fine...keep it personal for you, and don't try to push that belief upon those who don't agree, and are living their lives. I'm not targeting anyone on this forum personally...I'm just giving an explanation here. I have 613 commandments that I try to follow personally...but I am not expecting anyone else to follow those commandments. I think that religion will not be as heated a topic when someday people stop making it that way...all people.
You're missing the point. It's like being a member of the *bleep* party and saying, "Well, I'm not a 'bad' *bleep*. I'm not the one gassing Jews and stuff." Do you see the problem here??
Oh really? In America, only 16% of the population is atheist and/or non-religious. 72% is Christian. So where are all of these "atheists doing bad things" that you speak of?You think Christians or believers are the only ones doing anything wrong in this world? haha
While it's true there are some atheists who hate gays, are pro-life, and whatever else is in common with a god believer, we rarely hear about it because compared to the religious, there are FAR fewer non-believers that hold these "values".LOOK, like you said there are more believers and people are people, we are not perfect. Why is it all you atheists expect so much out of believers but nothing out of yourselves?
these kinds of things also happen to atheist and non-christian groups who all of a sudden called "by God" to do these things.
This sentence doesn't make sense. How can an atheist be called "by god" to do something bad?QuoteThose are highly publicized cases you are speaking of
What does it matter if it was on the news or not? Plenty of atrocities as the result of religion never make the news. I think the fact that something like raping little boys is going on AT ALL because of religion is cause for concern. Don't brush it off as, "Oh, I'm a civilzed Christian. The believers that do bad things aren't really believers." You have to take a look at how your religious ideas are affecting the world at large.
Want to argue that it's not religion that's the problem? In the case of priests raping little boys, consider that they are in a religion that expects them to be celibate, says sex is a disgrace except within the confines of marriage, abhors homosexuality, etc. Think about all of that repressed sexual tension...
Priests don't rape those children because of their religion...if that was the case all rapists would be that religion.
Priests don't rape those children because of their religion...
Why is there such a high concentration of pedophiles in that position then?
You know if only black people believed in God, what you are doing would be considered racist and predjudice! Shoot, just for me saying this will be considered racist and predjudice... :sad1:
There you go again, bringing up black people because no one has paid attention to you in awhile. ::) Psst...it only makes you look like the racist bringing them up so often and for no reason, marie!
To me, you simply sound as if you are totally against Christians, no matter how many law-abiding, good moral ones that there are.
And this is a typical response. I'm not against the "good" Christians like you think...I still think it's unfortunate that their one and only life is based on something that's not true, for sure, but if they can keep their beliefs within the confines of their church and homes, it's cool. Christianity at large CAN'T seem to do this, however, and that's where the problem lies.
this is a different religion. Besides it is a war against countries, they would of done it a different way with a different belief system.
Do you still think those men would have flown planes into buildings on 9/11 (or blow themselves up on a daily basis) had they not thought they were getting 72 virgins in heaven? It's possible, but a LOT less likely. People only kill themselves in this way if #1 - they're nuts or #2 - they believe they'll receive an eternal reward.
How about the parents that let their kids die because they PRAY for them rather than taking them to the doctor? Again, they MEAN well by trying to serve their god, but reality gets the best of them because prayer doesn't work. There is no god there to cure a disease that needs attention from medical professionals. If they knew this, you can bet most would not neglect their children!
Is this topic about hell or re****** people? ???
Queen has posted this video before, and I agree with it. http://www.youtube.com/user/gogreen18?blend=4&ob=4
The reason why many atheists (and some believers) care about religion so much is because many followers use it when it comes to government. The mirror can be flipped. If a believer is so staunchly in support of their religion, why do they feel the need to use it to legislate? Gay rights, reproductive and sexual rights (Sarah Palin comes to mind here, esp when looking at her daughter and how birth control could have come in handy), and so many other progressive issues are being pushed down by conservative believers that feel their morals should be utilized hand in hand with legislation. Think homosexuality is a sin? Fine...keep it personal for you, and don't try to push that belief upon those who don't agree, and are living their lives. I'm not targeting anyone on this forum personally...I'm just giving an explanation here. I have 613 commandments that I try to follow personally...but I am not expecting anyone else to follow those commandments. I think that religion will not be as heated a topic when someday people stop making it that way...all people.
Well blame the system, if you want something to change then vote.
Quite honestly, Marie, you have been acting the way I would expect a spoiled brat to act in the last few days. You just turned 29... start acting like it.
=Johnpriestly= if you say you do not believe in God, then your are super retardI believe in God, and get called unintelligent all the time on this forum by atheists or people that don't share my beliefs.
well the important thing is that you know who you are and who you belong to. if anyone says anything different than that is ill-informed by choice.
=Johnpriestly= if you say you do not believe in God, then your are super retardI believe in God, and get called unintelligent all the time on this forum by atheists or people that don't share my beliefs.
well the important thing is that you know who you are and who you belong to. if anyone says anything different than that is ill-informed by choice.
if someone calls you retarded its cause they are afraid of how smart you are
if you say you do not believe in God, then your are super retard
Quoteif you say you do not believe in God, then your are super retard
Maybe "your are" not very self aware?
...But you didn't address any of Amy's points, which were very well-made. It doesn't target your faith and try to strike it down. It doesn't call you names for believing in a God. It addresses a point many people take seriously. A religion I don't worship affects my life daily. I've been called many worse things than retard for NOT worshiping God and yes, I do get upset, but I also address the points an aggressor makes, at least. Shrugging off your behavior as childish does not a good excuse make--you are NOT a child and there ARE certain requirements for acting 29. Namely, you're old enough to realize there are other opinions in the world and if your faith is that strong, you should research and learn about them. You should stop using playfulness and an illness as a crutch.
Quite honestly, Marie, you have been acting the way I would expect a spoiled brat to act in the last few days. You just turned 29... start acting like it.
Well I am spoiled ;D I also act like a child because I am a child at heart. My mind is still very innocent. It isn't a bad thing either because I do study religion and Jesus says come to me as children. I'm comin' Jesus, I'm here :D
And how do you act 29? Is there a certain requirement? If you knew that my illness which is something out of my control makes me act like I am 2 sometimes then realize I am the exception to the rule.
Also realize alot of my post are very playful and silly and just how I communicate. I joke a lot and I'm not very serious. I mean I could say oh yeah bitc* with a smile on my face and laugh and people who know me in real life, know I am just playin'
I'm not going to change because I love who I am.
Jesus Christ is my Savior.
Quoteif you say you do not believe in God, then your are super retard
Maybe "your are" not very self aware?
Your are right. The Hebrews are God's first chosen people. However, the Bible also says that God is no respecter of persons. In other words, no one race is better than the other.This goes against my belief. I don't know why Jews like to point out they are chosen. I'm not sure if they even know what they are chosen for! It seems like they would be chosen for hell, since they don't even accept Jesus as the Messiah.
It seems to me Jesus will look at all Jews and say "I never knew you"
Must be chosen for some purpose but that is not relevant in today's world.
I'm really just an agnostic. I try to believe in the Christian God though cause that one has the worst consequences if you don't believe.
You know how Christians have 10 Commandments? Jews have 613.
You know how Christians have 10 Commandments? Jews have 613.No, Christians have that many, too, they just make every excuse in the book to get out of them.
"For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." (Jesus in Matthew 5:18-19)
"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17)
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Jesus in Matthew 5:17)
"All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16)
...just a few.
You know how Christians have 10 Commandments? Jews have 613.
No, Christians have that many, too, they just make every excuse in the book to get out of them.
"For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." (Jesus in Matthew 5:18-19)
"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17)
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Jesus in Matthew 5:17)
"All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16)
...just a few.