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How many of you endorse/support obama, and the rest of our govnt included in the equation? and what are your reasons?
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I don't care, whatever...whatever happens, happens - I have no say or power to stop anything, so I just don't get involved.
then you have no reason to be entering into anymore governmental debates on this forum, you probably don't even vote. If you don't care about the government feel free to keep your mouth shut from now on, and obviously you care considering you posted a topic with Bush's name in the title
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How many of you endorse/support obama, and the rest of our govnt included in the equation? and what are your reasons?
*sigh*, :-X I guess that means that those who do NOT endorse/support Obama, etc., cannot respond.......... :dontknow:
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How many of you endorse/support obama, and the rest of our govnt included in the equation? and what are your reasons?
*sigh*, :-X I guess that means that those who do NOT endorse/support Obama, etc., cannot respond.......... :dontknow:
No, this is definitely an open discussion. i want to hear everyone's views on this. just no bandwagon riders allowed. :thumbsup:
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In all honesty i was not too keen on Obama in the office. To be fair though by time he got into office we were all screwed already. I believe he has been trying to do the best he can with the situation he had been handed. I do not believe any one could have us back where the "people" want us to be as quickly as the "people" demanded it. Does not matter who the president is some one is always going to like them and others will never like them.
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How many of you endorse/support obama, and the rest of our govnt included in the equation? and what are your reasons?
*sigh*, :-X I guess that means that those who do NOT endorse/support Obama, etc., cannot respond.......... :dontknow:
No, this is definitely an open discussion. i want to hear everyone's views on this. just no bandwagon riders allowed. :thumbsup:
Thank you! I do not support him overall. First off, I would like to see proof of eligibility to be in this office of President. I do not like or feel good about some of the ties he has with certain groups (not named for now because I don't want to start sparks of fire.) With these groups and the things he's done/supported/changed, I feel we are headed for more of a socialist nation. We were not started that way and I do not like the possibility of losing certain freedoms and being controlled more and more by the government. I'll add more later. :)
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the president has very little control over the issues rigt now. EVERYONE in his administration are wall street people. Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commitee, and Council on foriegn relations. He is allowing the federal reserve bank to gain power in the government. they are hoarding trillions of dollars and buying out insurance companies, media empires, and other banks and other businesses. Obama is just a false image and false hope. He's simply picking up and spreading what bush left behind.
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Also he is contributing to just burning the constitution. He has a large bandwagon full of bandwagon supporters. ignorant people who claim to support him but don't know a thing about what he's done as far as politics go
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I voted for Obama.
I was disillusioned with McCain and his neck-breaking flip-flopping, plus Sarah Palin makes me physically ill. I also was a Biden supporter in the primaries...although, I was saddened by the way he jumped to attention when Obama offered him the position of running mate. I figured voting Obama was voting the lesser of two evils. He seemed to be in line ideologically with my beliefs when I would read about him online, but I have yet to see him deliver on his promise of hope...although, the man has only been in office less than 21 months. You can't fix 8 years in less than 2. In all honesty, I believed Clinton/Gore were on the right track to "fixing," for lack of a better word, the mess this country is in. Clinton/Gore were on the track of fixing 12 years of Reaganomics and Bush mistakes in 8 years (with about a decade left of work)...let's give Obama a bit more time. :thumbsup:
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Obama is only in office because the elite want him there. he flooded the white house with wall street guys and he's allowing the banks to do what JFK, Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln warned of. Obama is simply there to give the people false hope and distract them from who's really in power. Research the Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commitee and Council on Foriegn relations. Find out that everyone in his administration is a member of all three groups simultaniously. only a couple are a member of just one. Find out that he's passing bailouts for the federal reserve to contnue to hoard money and rob this nations people and buy *bleep* like insurance companies, banks, media empires, other businesses. Everyone thinks "oh obama has hope, he'll save us, give em a while, he can't do it overnight". well obama's not going to do a damn thing for anybody except the elite that controls him. do the research and you can find out.
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I voted for Obama.
I was disillusioned with McCain and his neck-breaking flip-flopping, plus Sarah Palin makes me physically ill. I also was a Biden supporter in the primaries...although, I was saddened by the way he jumped to attention when Obama offered him the position of running mate. I figured voting Obama was voting the lesser of two evils. He seemed to be in line ideologically with my beliefs when I would read about him online, but I have yet to see him deliver on his promise of hope...although, the man has only been in office less than 21 months. You can't fix 8 years in less than 2. In all honesty, I believed Clinton/Gore were on the right track to "fixing," for lack of a better word, the mess this country is in. Clinton/Gore were on the track of fixing 12 years of Reaganomics and Bush mistakes in 8 years (with about a decade left of work)...let's give Obama a bit more time. :thumbsup:
I agree Amy it did take Clinton and Staff a while to get everything back on track and if I remember correctly it was not till their second term that things started to really look up for every one. Even though Obamas term so far does not look promising I believe he is trying his best under the circumstances. For one he is actually trying to bring our troops back home and he has done what he can for now for the unemployeement. I believe once every one starts looking at what he has done for the good and is trying to do for the good everything might run a bit smoother.
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bringing troops home then sending 30,000 more right over dosen't count in my book. he could have easily industrialized hemp. then we would have millions of new jobs to produce millions of new quality products. that would have created jobs. he was confronted with this question and made a joke about it. pardon my freedom of speech but obama isn't *bleep*, ron paul would have did better than obama. obama dosen't even deserve the title of president. he's a puppet to wall street and the federal reserve.
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Also he is contributing to just burning the constitution. He has a large bandwagon full of bandwagon supporters. ignorant people who claim to support him but don't know a thing about what he's done as far as politics go
That's what I say: people aren't really seeing the whole picture later down the road with this president.
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I voted for Obama.
I was disillusioned with McCain and his neck-breaking flip-flopping, plus Sarah Palin makes me physically ill. I also was a Biden supporter in the primaries...although, I was saddened by the way he jumped to attention when Obama offered him the position of running mate. I figured voting Obama was voting the lesser of two evils. He seemed to be in line ideologically with my beliefs when I would read about him online, but I have yet to see him deliver on his promise of hope...although, the man has only been in office less than 21 months. You can't fix 8 years in less than 2. In all honesty, I believed Clinton/Gore were on the right track to "fixing," for lack of a better word, the mess this country is in. Clinton/Gore were on the track of fixing 12 years of Reaganomics and Bush mistakes in 8 years (with about a decade left of work)...let's give Obama a bit more time. :thumbsup:
I do differ regarding Reagan and Bush. They cleared up many things as presidents. Reagan's authority and wisdom had this country's economy turned around for the people. Now look where it's going. :P :)
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bringing troops home then sending 30,000 more right over dosen't count in my book. he could have easily industrialized hemp. then we would have millions of new jobs to produce millions of new quality products. that would have created jobs. he was confronted with this question and made a joke about it. pardon my freedom of speech but obama isn't *bleep*, ron paul would have did better than obama. obama dosen't even deserve the title of president. he's a puppet to wall street and the federal reserve.
In all honesty...you aren't going to find a politician worth much because anyone would have to be certifiable to want to take the job of President...or any of the supporting law making roles. There is so much responsibility, and you really can't please everyone. No matter who it is that is in office, the same statement will come about...In all honesty, Plato via Aristotle had it right...no one in the role of President will deserve the role, because no person of character will want the role. Every four years, it is up to Americans to choose the lesser of two evils. Any president will be a puppet to the interest groups behind their election and re-election. The day after Obama won the election, he began his re-election campaign.
And, in all honesty, I don't see anyone industrializing hemp anytime soon. Its too taboo, regardless of how helpful it may be.
I do differ regarding Reagan and Bush. They cleared up many things as presidents. Reagan's authority and wisdom had this country's economy turned around for the people. Now look where it's going.
I'm definitely going to have to agree to disagree on that one. Trickle-down economics was only good for the rich...but I do understand that anything I may say negative about Reagan will have to stand up to much scrutiny considering how beloved the Gipper was. :D
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bringing troops home then sending 30,000 more right over dosen't count in my book. he could have easily industrialized hemp. then we would have millions of new jobs to produce millions of new quality products. that would have created jobs. he was confronted with this question and made a joke about it. pardon my freedom of speech but obama isn't *bleep*, ron paul would have did better than obama. obama dosen't even deserve the title of president. he's a puppet to wall street and the federal reserve.
In all honesty...you aren't going to find a politician worth much because anyone would have to be certifiable to want to take the job of President...or any of the supporting law making roles. There is so much responsibility, and you really can't please everyone. No matter who it is that is in office, the same statement will come about...In all honesty, Plato via Aristotle had it right...no one in the role of President will deserve the role, because no person of character will want the role. Every four years, it is up to Americans to choose the lesser of two evils. Any president will be a puppet to the interest groups behind their election and re-election. The day after Obama won the election, he began his re-election campaign.
And, in all honesty, I don't see anyone industrializing hemp anytime soon. Its too taboo, regardless of how helpful it may be.
I do differ regarding Reagan and Bush. They cleared up many things as presidents. Reagan's authority and wisdom had this country's economy turned around for the people. Now look where it's going.
I'm definitely going to have to agree to disagree on that one. Trickle-down economics was only good for the rich...but I do understand that anything I may say negative about Reagan will have to stand up to much scrutiny considering how beloved the Gipper was. :D
That he was! lol
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if the people stand up and wake up and get off the bandwagon. they could get past the puppets and throw wall street back out of our offices and the people can take the power back and we can have a government that isn't full of corrupt bastards
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if the people stand up and wake up and get off the bandwagon. they could get past the puppets and throw wall street back out of our offices and the people can take the power back and we can have a government that isn't full of corrupt bastards
You remind me of how I was when I first graduated high school. Once I started studying government in detail in college, I changed a great deal...became very disillusioned. Two quotes that I remember from college, but couldn't remember who to credit the statements to, are "The masses are asses" and "If you're young and a Republican, you don't have a heart. If you're old and a Democrat, you don't have a brain." I have become more conservative as I've gotten older, yet I'm still very progressive compared to a great many. And...I'm a Clinton/Gore fan. I think that team did a great deal of good for this country. W, on the other hand...well, don't get me started. :sad1:
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amy, are you insisting that it isn't criminal and unconstitutional to allow the banks to rob people, pledge future taxes on the people for collateral and thier own profit, along with allowing an unelected unappoined group of billionaire THUGS to influence and decide our future???
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amy, are you insisting that it isn't criminal and unconstitutional to allow the banks to rob people, pledge future taxes on the people for collateral and thier own profit, along with allowing an unelected unappoined group of billionaire THUGS to influence and decide our future???
I'm not insisting anything. Don't place words into my mouth. This statement has nothing to do with what I said.
The nature of the President's cabinet is that they can appoint whomever they wish...whether it is a wall street billionaire or a hobo living on the corner of Pennsylvania Avenue. I understand you're passionate...I was the same way, and I still am about a great many things. Once you've spent time studying and seeing it in action in person, though, things will most likely change. Jumping me on this forum, however, will not change a thing.
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i wasn't trying to jump on you amy, i'm just saying people need to step up and look at whats going on before it's too late. a new world order is highly possible right now. and its gonna suck. :angry7: :angry7:
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In all honesty i was not too keen on Obama in the office. To be fair though by time he got into office we were all screwed already. I believe he has been trying to do the best he can with the situation he had been handed. I do not believe any one could have us back where the "people" want us to be as quickly as the "people" demanded it. Does not matter who the president is some one is always going to like them and others will never like them.
That doesn't erase his empty promises that no one asked him to make or his socialist views on society...or more importantly his total lack of Americanism.
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How many of you endorse/support obama, and the rest of our govnt included in the equation? and what are your reasons?
*sigh*, :-X I guess that means that those who do NOT endorse/support Obama, etc., cannot respond.......... :dontknow:
No, this is definitely an open discussion. i want to hear everyone's views on this. just no bandwagon riders allowed. :thumbsup:
Thank you! I do not support him overall. First off, I would like to see proof of eligibility to be in this office of President. I do not like or feel good about some of the ties he has with certain groups (not named for now because I don't want to start sparks of fire.) With these groups and the things he's done/supported/changed, I feel we are headed for more of a socialist nation. We were not started that way and I do not like the possibility of losing certain freedoms and being controlled more and more by the government. I'll add more later. :)
i absolutely agree with every word.
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Also he is contributing to just burning the constitution. He has a large bandwagon full of bandwagon supporters. ignorant people who claim to support him but don't know a thing about what he's done as far as politics go
so true
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I voted for Obama.
I was disillusioned with McCain and his neck-breaking flip-flopping, plus Sarah Palin makes me physically ill. I also was a Biden supporter in the primaries...although, I was saddened by the way he jumped to attention when Obama offered him the position of running mate. I figured voting Obama was voting the lesser of two evils. He seemed to be in line ideologically with my beliefs when I would read about him online, but I have yet to see him deliver on his promise of hope...although, the man has only been in office less than 21 months. You can't fix 8 years in less than 2. In all honesty, I believed Clinton/Gore were on the right track to "fixing," for lack of a better word, the mess this country is in. Clinton/Gore were on the track of fixing 12 years of Reaganomics and Bush mistakes in 8 years (with about a decade left of work)...let's give Obama a bit more time. :thumbsup:
Even if Obama does accomplish what he wants to accomplish, I don't agree with his goals.
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I voted for Obama.
I was disillusioned with McCain and his neck-breaking flip-flopping, plus Sarah Palin makes me physically ill. I also was a Biden supporter in the primaries...although, I was saddened by the way he jumped to attention when Obama offered him the position of running mate. I figured voting Obama was voting the lesser of two evils. He seemed to be in line ideologically with my beliefs when I would read about him online, but I have yet to see him deliver on his promise of hope...although, the man has only been in office less than 21 months. You can't fix 8 years in less than 2. In all honesty, I believed Clinton/Gore were on the right track to "fixing," for lack of a better word, the mess this country is in. Clinton/Gore were on the track of fixing 12 years of Reaganomics and Bush mistakes in 8 years (with about a decade left of work)...let's give Obama a bit more time. :thumbsup:
I do differ regarding Reagan and Bush. They cleared up many things as presidents. Reagan's authority and wisdom had this country's economy turned around for the people. Now look where it's going. :P :)
Agreed!
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until wall street is out of our govenrment, we will NEVER have a real president like lincoln, JFK, jefferson, washington etc.. it will always be a puppet to distract you from the REAL problem with our country
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Have you read this before??
A letter from Lou Pritchett:
Dear President Obama:
You are the thirteenth President under whom I have lived and unlike
any of the others, you truly scare me. You scare me because after
months of exposure, I know nothing about you.
You scare me because I do not know how you paid for your expensive
Ivy League education and your upscale lifestyle and housing with no
visible signs of support.
You scare me because you did not spend the formative years of youth
growing up in America and culturally you are not an American.
You scare me because you have never run a company or met a payroll.
You scare me because you have never had military experience, thus don't
understand it at its core.
You scare me because you lack humility and 'class', always blaming
others.
You scare me because for over half your life you have aligned yourself
with
radical extremists who hate America and you refuse to publicly denounce
these radicals who wish to see America fail.
You scare me because you are a cheerleader for the 'blame America ' crowd
and deliver this message abroad.
You scare me because you want to change America to a European style
country
where the government sector dominates instead of the private sector.
You scare me because you want to replace our health care system with a
government controlled one.
You scare me because you prefer 'wind mills' to responsibly capitalizing
on our own vast oil, coal and shale reserves.
You scare me because you want to kill the American capitalist goose that
lays the golden egg which provides the highest standard of living in the
world.
You scare me because you have begun to use 'extortion' tactics against
certain banks and corporations.
You scare me because your own political party shrinks from challenging
you
on your wild and irresponsible spending proposals.
You scare me because you will not openly listen to or even consider
opposing
points of view from intelligent people.
You scare me because you falsely believe that you are both omnipotent and
omniscient.
You scare me because the media gives you a free pass on everything you
do.
You scare me because you demonize and want to silence the Limbaughs,
Hannitys, O'Relllys and Becks who offer opposing, conservative points of
view.
You scare me because you prefer controlling over governing.
Finally, you scare me because if you serve a second term I will probably
not
feel safe in writing a similar letter in 8 years.
Lou Pritchett
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I wasn't aware there were unintelligent people on this forum.
well isn't that ironic
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Have you read this before??
A letter from Lou Pritchett:
Dear President Obama:
You are the thirteenth President under whom I have lived and unlike
any of the others, you truly scare me. You scare me because after
months of exposure, I know nothing about you.
You scare me because I do not know how you paid for your expensive
Ivy League education and your upscale lifestyle and housing with no
visible signs of support.
You scare me because you did not spend the formative years of youth
growing up in America and culturally you are not an American.
You scare me because you have never run a company or met a payroll.
You scare me because you have never had military experience, thus don't
understand it at its core.
You scare me because you lack humility and 'class', always blaming
others.
You scare me because for over half your life you have aligned yourself
with
radical extremists who hate America and you refuse to publicly denounce
these radicals who wish to see America fail.
You scare me because you are a cheerleader for the 'blame America ' crowd
and deliver this message abroad.
You scare me because you want to change America to a European style
country
where the government sector dominates instead of the private sector.
You scare me because you want to replace our health care system with a
government controlled one.
You scare me because you prefer 'wind mills' to responsibly capitalizing
on our own vast oil, coal and shale reserves.
You scare me because you want to kill the American capitalist goose that
lays the golden egg which provides the highest standard of living in the
world.
You scare me because you have begun to use 'extortion' tactics against
certain banks and corporations.
You scare me because your own political party shrinks from challenging
you
on your wild and irresponsible spending proposals.
You scare me because you will not openly listen to or even consider
opposing
points of view from intelligent people.
You scare me because you falsely believe that you are both omnipotent and
omniscient.
You scare me because the media gives you a free pass on everything you
do.
You scare me because you demonize and want to silence the Limbaughs,
Hannitys, O'Relllys and Becks who offer opposing, conservative points of
view.
You scare me because you prefer controlling over governing.
Finally, you scare me because if you serve a second term I will probably
not
feel safe in writing a similar letter in 8 years.
Lou Pritchett
That is absolutely amazing!!!
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thanks for posting that, sflynt. that letter is completel true, and there are too many people who don't understand whats going on right now.
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thanks for posting that, sflynt. that letter is completel true, and there are too many people who don't understand whats going on right now.
I agree. That letter totally explains all the crap Obama tries to cover with pretty words like "change." He tries to make it seems like his presidency is roses and flowers, when it actuality we don't even know who he is. He even takes advice from islamic extremists, but because of the risk of sounding hateful we all let it fly. His stance on government is extreme big government... Beck's and other conservatives is extreme small government. The only problem is he won't even consider Beck's ideas because he thinks his idea of government is too small. OUR CONSTITUTION IS FOUNDED ON SMALL GOVERNMENT. If socialism is the answer then freedom will the absolutely GONE and in America that is totally and completely wrong. If he wants big government he can move back to a country he was probably born in anyway and quit trying to morph the American government into one of wealthy elites and people with no freedom and redistributed wealth.
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thanks for posting that, sflynt. that letter is completel true, and there are too many people who don't understand whats going on right now.
I agree. That letter totally explains all the crap Obama tries to cover with pretty words like "change." He tries to make it seems like his presidency is roses and flowers, when it actuality we don't even know who he is. He even takes advice from islamic extremists, but because of the risk of sounding hateful we all let it fly. His stance on government is extreme big government... Beck's and other conservatives is extreme small government. The only problem is he won't even consider Beck's ideas because he thinks his idea of government is too small. OUR CONSTITUTION IS FOUNDED ON SMALL GOVERNMENT. If socialism is the answer then freedom will the absolutely GONE and in America that is totally and completely wrong. If he wants big government he can move back to a country he was probably born in anyway and quit trying to morph the American government into one of wealthy elites and people with no freedom and redistributed wealth.
I think that people really need to take a look at our president. We should ALL be questioning. I was never for Obama, or Palin, or McCain(We haven't had any good candidates (in my eyes) in a while... but everyone's been so worried about a woman or an African American being president. It clouded their judgment, I think. Everyone I talked to, even people who have never voted before, were voting simply based on that. No one actually weighed them all out (based on the majority of people I spoke with). And the whole mosque at ground zero thing... Its just horrible in my eyes. and Obama hasnt even come out condemning the radical connections of the mosque or the fact that they are purposely desecrating the sacred land of ground zero, the land that brought America together. People really need to open their eyes. I personally don't think there is anything wrong with people practicing their religion, we are all entitled to our own beliefs, but to put it at ground zero is just insulting.
I was trying to find this thing on Obama, that I either heard on the radio or read on the internet about Obama's Lies...
... I finally found it:
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/
I really liked this too.
Now, you shouldnt always listen to what you hear or read, I know; but this should at least get people thinking. We should be worried and prepared for anything. A little knowledge goes a long way.
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thanks for posting that, sflynt. that letter is completel true, and there are too many people who don't understand whats going on right now.
I agree. That letter totally explains all the crap Obama tries to cover with pretty words like "change." He tries to make it seems like his presidency is roses and flowers, when it actuality we don't even know who he is. He even takes advice from islamic extremists, but because of the risk of sounding hateful we all let it fly. His stance on government is extreme big government... Beck's and other conservatives is extreme small government. The only problem is he won't even consider Beck's ideas because he thinks his idea of government is too small. OUR CONSTITUTION IS FOUNDED ON SMALL GOVERNMENT. If socialism is the answer then freedom will the absolutely GONE and in America that is totally and completely wrong. If he wants big government he can move back to a country he was probably born in anyway and quit trying to morph the American government into one of wealthy elites and people with no freedom and redistributed wealth.
I think that people really need to take a look at our president. We should ALL be questioning. I was never for Obama, or Palin, or McCain(We haven't had any good candidates (in my eyes) in a while... but everyone's been so worried about a woman or an African American being president. It clouded their judgment, I think. Everyone I talked to, even people who have never voted before, were voting simply based on that. No one actually weighed them all out (based on the majority of people I spoke with). And the whole mosque at ground zero thing... Its just horrible in my eyes. and Obama hasnt even come out condemning the radical connections of the mosque or the fact that they are purposely desecrating the sacred land of ground zero, the land that brought America together. People really need to open their eyes. I personally don't think there is anything wrong with people practicing their religion, we are all entitled to our own beliefs, but to put it at ground zero is just insulting.
I was trying to find this thing on Obama, that I either heard on the radio or read on the internet about Obama's Lies...
... I finally found it:
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/
I really liked this too.
Now, you shouldnt always listen to what you hear or read, I know; but this should at least get people thinking. We should be worried and prepared for anything. A little knowledge goes a long way.
That is so true. Even if EVERYONE didn't vote for the wrong reasons, many did. There were definitely not enough votes based on policy of the candidates and too many based on race or gender. This is apparent seeing as how many of the democrats who DID vote Obama are already starting to disagree. It's also apparent by how many who voted for him never even considered that he never even presented a birth certificate. If a regular ol white guy tried running for president without a birth certificate he would be a laughing stock.
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Explain to me something, how is the negativety, mind blowing statistics that go on for days and days, hidden adgendas, and a list of undone tasks that everyone is upset about going to fix what hasn't happend from this Presidency faster????? Not a damn thing.........
Sorry that you are dissapointed in our President, but no matter how much reserch you do, or how much you dread the future under his presidency, it will never change the impatience, ignorance, and selfishness in America. Its unbelieviable to me that people do not recognize how good we have it here, and continue to ask for more and more. The need for immediate, sweeping gratification, impossible standards people want met by the President, taking on a previous undone presidency, and a Republican party that from the beginning-AND I MEAN FROM THE BEGINING of Obama taking office~ no matter what the President and Democrats want to see eye to eye about, WILL NOT go along with ANYTHING from this presidency-period, is why his presidency is "failing"!!
Rachel Maddow said this(in so many words) and she was straight up and to the point.
When a political party has the preexisting plan to ruin someone's legacy, in every way possible (ie politically, personally, religiously, ect.) they will eventually succeed in disillusioning the public as they see fit, for their own selfish interests because they choose to. It doesn't matter who takes office. In other words, there are sore loosers this time around, and this should not be, on either side, especially when it comes to the future of America and its citizens well being.
How exactly are you going to have a working presidency when one side is still seething over not winning the presidential election, and wasting their time talking about everything that Obama is doing wrong today, or will do wrong in the future to America??? Its toxic and unecessarry for all citizens in the United States to have this happen at all. Satisfying one sector only leads to more unsatisfied people in another sector elsewhere, then the toxic politics begin. Its a downward spiral that never stops until someone else assumes responsibility, and then it immediately begins again!!! So I say, what is the freakin' point?
His presidency was planned to be doomed from the get-go by others.
Ask yourself this one...out of all the problems we have here in America, don't you think some people, somewhere else in this world have it much worse than we do right now?? I think we are pretty damn lucky to be where we are at right now, and I don't blame the President for any of our problems, he mearly stepped in to the muck already smothered everywhere from a previous presidency, and politics just make it all the more of a mess for him.
So you see, no matter what happenes, Americans will continue to be selfish about things like this, and it will never change. The president is only one man-and snappin' his fingers aint gonna change a thing!! There will always be conspiracy theorist out there, don't believe everything you hear (Glenn Beck is CRAZY!!!) Take stock of your life and everything around you, and make intelligent decisions about people. Don't be so quick to judge our president, unless you have run the country yourself. As far as the military goes, people choose to join of their own free will, to represent and/or fight for America, which means they have no choice but to go over seas, if called to duty by the president, plain and simple! It was their choice, whether or not they survive or not-remember-it was a choice. Please do not think that people's sons and daughters who pass away in battle overseas doesn't weigh heavy on his heart......he's not a robot, you know.
Guess what, if you and your family are safe and healthy here, and you make enough money to get by, you have your good days, and your bad days-but you are taken care of. I'd say he's doing a pretty good job, it could always be worse, you know.
All that negativety,not helping- just let it go.......someone else somewhere else has it worse than you.
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it was so, "lengthy", can't help it!
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tzs,
I, for one, am not a sore loser. I just wish more people could see the overall picture for down the road. Many people look at the here and now instead of studying up on what is going on, what is being changed, and what goals are being set for our country. And it just plain doesn't look to be in keeping with values and traditions our country was built on.
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exactly, you know what i heard someone in obama's council say recently? "we don't know EXACTLY what the founding fathers meant in the constitution".
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exactly, you know what i heard someone in obama's council say recently? "we don't know EXACTLY what the founding fathers meant in the constitution".
I heard that, too. I have also heard Obama himself say, "We celebrate the principles that are timeless, tenets first declared by men of property and wealth but which gave rise to what Lincoln called a new birth of freedom in America-civil rights and voting rights, workers' rights and women's rights, and the rights of every American" (courtesy of "Rescue America") This was just said on Independence Day, 2010.
He refuses to acknowledge that, "Our nation's greatness was and is exhibited by the fact that dirt poor men like Samuel Adams and men of "wealth and property" like Thomas Jefferson believed so much in freedom that, unlike Barack Obama, of one mind and one accord America's founders put aside many differences to lay the foundation for our nation's liberty and glorious, God-given independence." (courtesy also from "Rescue America")
He never one time mentions or upholds the fact that Christians also came to worship God freely instead of how the King of England demanded.
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Thomas Jefferson also took "liberties" with the constitution and was the main advocate for manifest destiny......hero????
The Louisiana Purchase was one of the largest land deals in history. In 1803, the United States paid approximately $15 million dollars for over 800,000 square miles of land. This land deal was arguably the greatest achievement of Thomas Jefferson's presidency but also posed a major philosophical problem for Jefferson.
Thomas Jefferson the Anti-Federalist
Thomas Jefferson was strongly anti-federalist. While he might have written the Declaration of Independence, he definitely did not author the Constitution. Instead, that document was mainly written by James Madison. Jefferson spoke against a strong federal government and instead advocated states' rights. He feared tyranny of any kind and only recognized the need for a strong, central government in terms of foreign affairs.
Jefferson's philosophy concerning the role of the central government can be most clearly seen when investigating his disagreement with Alexander Hamilton over the creation of a National Bank. Hamilton was a staunch supporter of a strong central government. While it a National Bank was not expressly mentioned in the Constitution, Hamilton felt that the elastic clause (Art I., Sect. 8, Clause 18) gave the government the power to create such a body. Jefferson completely disagreed. He felt that all powers given to the National Government were enumerated. If they were not expressly mentioned in the Constitution then they were reserved to the states.
Jefferson's Compromise
How does this relate to the Louisiana Purchase? By completing this purchase, Jefferson had to put aside his principles because the allowance for this type of transaction was not expressly listed in the Constitution. Waiting for a Constitutional amendment might cause the deal to fall through. Therefore, Jefferson decided to go through with the purchase. Luckily, the people of the United States basically agreed that this was an excellent move.
Why did Jefferson feel this deal was so necessary? Because in 1801, Spain and France signed a secret treaty ceding Louisiana to France. France suddenly posed a potential threat to America. There was a fear that if America did not purchase New Orleans from France, it could lead to war. The change of ownership of this key port resulted in its closing to Americans. Therefore, Jefferson sent envoys to France to try and secure its purchase. Instead, they returned with an agreement to buy the entire Louisiana Territory. America did not have the money to pay the $15 million outright so they instead borrowed the money from Great Britain at 6% interest.
Importance of the Louisiana Purchase
With the purchase of this new territory, the land area of America nearly doubled. However, the exact southern and western boundaries were not defined in the purchase. America would have to deal with Spain to work out the specific details of these boundaries. Meriwether Lewis and William Clark led a small expeditionary group called the Corps of Discovery into the territory. They are just the beginning of America's fascination with exploring the west. Whether or not America had a 'Manifest Destiny' to span from 'sea to sea' as was often the rallying cry of the early to mid 19th century, the desire to control this territory cannot be denied.
What were the effects of Jefferson's decision to go against his own philosophy concerning a strict interpretation of the Constitution? It can be argued that his taking liberties with the Constitution in the name of need and expediency would lead to future Presidents feeling justified with a continual increase in the elasticity of Article I, Section 8, Clause 18. Jefferson should rightly be remembered for the great deed of purchasing this enormous tract of land. But one wonders if he might regret the means in which he earned this fame.
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wow, walksalone, i didn't know that.
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Sorry late on this debate I was sick again grrr..Any way...I personally voted for Obama..I support him I think he can do some good..He was thrown in to a big mess and well thats alot for any person to fix fast..I mean I know personally I could not do it nor would I want to..Most people who complain and hate who is in office either did not vote,cannot fix their own problems in life or expect a miracle..Well good luck on that.. LOL..I think he is a smart wise man that can do wonders and people need to just chill..I voted for bush which later I regretted he was a idiot he made us all look stupid in my opinion..Any How I think Obama will show he is a strong wise president and he will make me proud by trying I don't expect a miracle this country is a mess and without the American public helping then we are doomed no matter who is in office..
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Sorry late on this debate I was sick again grrr..Any way...I personally voted for Obama..I support him I think he can do some good..He was thrown in to a big mess and well thats alot for any person to fix fast..I mean I know personally I could not do it nor would I want to..Most people who complain and hate who is in office either did not vote,cannot fix their own problems in life or expect a miracle..Well good luck on that.. LOL..I think he is a smart wise man that can do wonders and people need to just chill..I voted for bush which later I regretted he was a idiot he made us all look stupid in my opinion..Any How I think Obama will show he is a strong wise president and he will make me proud by trying I don't expect a miracle this country is a mess and without the American public helping then we are doomed no matter who is in office..
Do you honestly think it's smart to put the federal reserve in power? - which is one of many unconstitutional things he's done, he's basicly burning the constitution. tell me one good thing he's done for this country.
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I agree he is not perfect but show me a human who does not mistakes and I will show you a GOD LMAO..I think he is lost and trying his best mistakes are gonna happen I will not like everything he does or stand behind every discussion but I will realize he is a human who is just like me does stupid *bleep* he just is under a microscope unlike me
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I agree he is not perfect but show me a human who does not mistakes and I will show you a GOD LMAO..I think he is lost and trying his best mistakes are gonna happen I will not like everything he does or stand behind every discussion but I will realize he is a human who is just like me does stupid *bleep* he just is under a microscope unlike me
I agree nobody is perfect. but don't you think our president should actually be a leader, instead of a wall street puppet? have you noticed hasn't kept one promise, in fact, he's did the exact opposite in most cases. he's not here for th best interest of you and me, he plans to please the bankers, the ones he allows to rob the people. yes obama is allowing and assising in ROBBING you.
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I do agree ..But I still think I owe myself and him a chance to redeem the wrongs he has done..And if he ends up like a bush then I will say I was wrong in my vote..I gave bush the benefit of the doubt the whole time in office and was left feeling stupid and mad..But I made a mistake in believing to much..I believe in that we put to much umm stock in out presidents to be all honest and perfect and well our government has a lot of say in what they do so it falls on all not just one person..So if I am wrong and he does not redeem himself then I would totally feel failed but I would also know it is always a possibility no matter who we put in office its a game of Russian roulette..I think McCain would have screwed us worse he gave me a bad bad vibe.. :peace: :thumbsup:
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I do agree ..But I still think I owe myself and him a chance to redeem the wrongs he has done..And if he ends up like a bush then I will say I was wrong in my vote..I gave bush the benefit of the doubt the whole time in office and was left feeling stupid and mad..But I made a mistake in believing to much..I believe in that we put to much umm stock in out presidents to be all honest and perfect and well our government has a lot of say in what they do so it falls on all not just one person..So if I am wrong and he does not redeem himself then I would totally feel failed but I would also know it is always a possibility no matter who we put in office its a game of Russian roulette..I think McCain would have screwed us worse he gave me a bad bad vibe.. :peace: :thumbsup:
Osama i mean Obama, McCain, Clinton, they were all going off the same agenda, they were all gonna do the same thing. But i can understand where you're coming from, butterfly, I would have voted Obama if i was able. I thought he was going to bring change and hope, problem is, i had formed my opinion based on what he said, and never really looked at what he was doing. There's still too many people on the bandwagon and don't know what the hell's goin' on outside of the clips on the news
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I think McCain would have screwed us worse he gave me a bad bad vibe..
Ooooh, are you psychic too or was it his aura? 8)
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I do agree ..But I still think I owe myself and him a chance to redeem the wrongs he has done..And if he ends up like a bush then I will say I was wrong in my vote..I gave bush the benefit of the doubt the whole time in office and was left feeling stupid and mad..But I made a mistake in believing to much..I believe in that we put to much umm stock in out presidents to be all honest and perfect and well our government has a lot of say in what they do so it falls on all not just one person..So if I am wrong and he does not redeem himself then I would totally feel failed but I would also know it is always a possibility no matter who we put in office its a game of Russian roulette..I think McCain would have screwed us worse he gave me a bad bad vibe.. :peace: :thumbsup:
Osama i mean Obama, McCain, Clinton, they were all going off the same agenda, they were all gonna do the same thing. But i can understand where you're coming from, butterfly, I would have voted Obama if i was able. I thought he was going to bring change and hope, problem is, i had formed my opinion based on what he said, and never really looked at what he was doing. There's still too many people on the bandwagon and don't know what the hell's goin' on outside of the clips on the news
I agree the clips on the news go for who they want the public to vote for and who they support then when they think they were wrong they slam and show all the bad they can find..It is sad really..We the people get duped but we have the right to vote but do we really I mean would a good guy great candidate who would be for the people and people only really make it to the ballot..Sadly most likely not unless he licked congress and the governments *bleep* to fool them first lol
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I think McCain would have screwed us worse he gave me a bad bad vibe..
Ooooh, are you psychic too or was it his aura? 8)
LMAO IT WAS BOTH MWWWAAAH ;D I am a witch remember LMAO
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I support Obama. The machinery for the ghastly mess we are in was already in motion by 2008; he has been doing the best anyone could do to clean it up. Steps have been taken to prevent further irresponsible gambling by Wall Street and large banks. His main problem is that he was elected 8 years too late. Bush recklessly threw away the Clinton surplus, drove our financial car off the cliff, and landed us at the bottom of the Grand Canyon. That's what Obama is trying to dig us out of, not that he's getting much help from his fellow Americans. For example, he initially supported single payer health care, which would vastly reduce our costs by having one bureaurcracy instead of hundreds of differently-organized ones, and negotiating better drug prices. Americans were ideologically opposed to single payer, so now we have something that is more expensive and won't even cover everyone. He had to do this to appease the people who wanted to continue the old system of letting people w/o health care just #&%*ing die. This is, after all, a democracy.
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I have a lot more to say about other parts of your post but don't have time right now. This I do want to address:
Americans were ideologically opposed to single payer, so now we have something that is more expensive and won't even cover everyone.
You better recheck that one. The Universal Health Care Reform act, that was passed 'illegally' through Congress is forced health care. It WILL cover everyone and if you do not take it, you will pay a hefty fine.
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I support Obama. The machinery for the ghastly mess we are in was already in motion by 2008; he has been doing the best anyone could do to clean it up. Steps have been taken to prevent further irresponsible gambling by Wall Street and large banks. His main problem is that he was elected 8 years too late. Bush recklessly threw away the Clinton surplus, drove our financial car off the cliff, and landed us at the bottom of the Grand Canyon. That's what Obama is trying to dig us out of, not that he's getting much help from his fellow Americans. For example, he initially supported single payer health care, which would vastly reduce our costs by having one bureaurcracy instead of hundreds of differently-organized ones, and negotiating better drug prices. Americans were ideologically opposed to single payer, so now we have something that is more expensive and won't even cover everyone. He had to do this to appease the people who wanted to continue the old system of letting people w/o health care just #&%*ing die. This is, after all, a democracy.
there is a lot wrong with your statemet. first, obama has already showed us that he is simply working for the same elite bush served. you are being fooled if you really think he's trying to help us. fist, we already pay all kinds of taxes on health care, so that should't be an issue. Canada has free health care for god sakes. he's obviously just getting away with what he's doing. let me explain. He is putting banks in control of our nation. how are you looking past that just because he makes empty promise after empty promise?
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Explain to me something, how is the negativety, mind blowing statistics that go on for days and days, hidden adgendas, and a list of undone tasks that everyone is upset about going to fix what hasn't happend from this Presidency faster????? Not a damn thing.........
Sorry that you are dissapointed in our President, but no matter how much reserch you do, or how much you dread the future under his presidency, it will never change the impatience, ignorance, and selfishness in America. Its unbelieviable to me that people do not recognize how good we have it here, and continue to ask for more and more. The need for immediate, sweeping gratification, impossible standards people want met by the President, taking on a previous undone presidency, and a Republican party that from the beginning-AND I MEAN FROM THE BEGINING of Obama taking office~ no matter what the President and Democrats want to see eye to eye about, WILL NOT go along with ANYTHING from this presidency-period, is why his presidency is "failing"!!
Rachel Maddow said this(in so many words) and she was straight up and to the point.
When a political party has the preexisting plan to ruin someone's legacy, in every way possible (ie politically, personally, religiously, ect.) they will eventually succeed in disillusioning the public as they see fit, for their own selfish interests because they choose to. It doesn't matter who takes office. In other words, there are sore loosers this time around, and this should not be, on either side, especially when it comes to the future of America and its citizens well being.
How exactly are you going to have a working presidency when one side is still seething over not winning the presidential election, and wasting their time talking about everything that Obama is doing wrong today, or will do wrong in the future to America??? Its toxic and unecessarry for all citizens in the United States to have this happen at all. Satisfying one sector only leads to more unsatisfied people in another sector elsewhere, then the toxic politics begin. Its a downward spiral that never stops until someone else assumes responsibility, and then it immediately begins again!!! So I say, what is the freakin' point?
His presidency was planned to be doomed from the get-go by others.
Ask yourself this one...out of all the problems we have here in America, don't you think some people, somewhere else in this world have it much worse than we do right now?? I think we are pretty damn lucky to be where we are at right now, and I don't blame the President for any of our problems, he mearly stepped in to the muck already smothered everywhere from a previous presidency, and politics just make it all the more of a mess for him.
So you see, no matter what happenes, Americans will continue to be selfish about things like this, and it will never change. The president is only one man-and snappin' his fingers aint gonna change a thing!! There will always be conspiracy theorist out there, don't believe everything you hear (Glenn Beck is CRAZY!!!) Take stock of your life and everything around you, and make intelligent decisions about people. Don't be so quick to judge our president, unless you have run the country yourself. As far as the military goes, people choose to join of their own free will, to represent and/or fight for America, which means they have no choice but to go over seas, if called to duty by the president, plain and simple! It was their choice, whether or not they survive or not-remember-it was a choice. Please do not think that people's sons and daughters who pass away in battle overseas doesn't weigh heavy on his heart......he's not a robot, you know.
Guess what, if you and your family are safe and healthy here, and you make enough money to get by, you have your good days, and your bad days-but you are taken care of. I'd say he's doing a pretty good job, it could always be worse, you know.
All that negativety,not helping- just let it go.......someone else somewhere else has it worse than you.
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it was so, "lengthy", can't help it!
I don't have unrealistic expectations for a president, and in no way did I expect Obama to totally fix our economy, he's the one who made that empty promise. I don't dislike because of his party, he's more socialist than he is liberal anyway. I'm a Republican but I can respect the views of democrats even if I disagree with most of them, the thing that's scary is the socialist plans like redistribution of wealth and how he is trying to take hold of businesses that are supposed to be separate from the government, not the mention healthcare. You think Glenn Beck is crazy because you're a liberal, what's so crazy about small government? We were founded on small government. Before all the welfare and help systems were put in people had to work for what they have, now there is little incentive considering everyone that doesn't have a job can just get by day to day on our tax dollar and government money that the government doesn't have. It's fine if you don't agree with Beck, he's extremely conservative which you obviously aren't, but if he's crazy for being so extreme Obama is as well for being the polar opposite. I agree that other countries suck, which why I DON'T want our country to become socialist like theirs. That's WHY they suck. Socialism does not include freedom. I refuse to support someone who supports redistribution of wealth, it is ABSOLUTELY unamerican. You have to realize that when Obama wants to redistribute the wealth, he isn't including himself or his elite buddies. Just because he's liberal doesn't make him right and it definitely doesn't mean we should stop researching it and talking about it, ignorance is certainly not bliss in this case.
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I do agree ..But I still think I owe myself and him a chance to redeem the wrongs he has done..And if he ends up like a bush then I will say I was wrong in my vote..I gave bush the benefit of the doubt the whole time in office and was left feeling stupid and mad..But I made a mistake in believing to much..I believe in that we put to much umm stock in out presidents to be all honest and perfect and well our government has a lot of say in what they do so it falls on all not just one person..So if I am wrong and he does not redeem himself then I would totally feel failed but I would also know it is always a possibility no matter who we put in office its a game of Russian roulette..I think McCain would have screwed us worse he gave me a bad bad vibe.. :peace: :thumbsup:
At least Mccain had some military experience, he was still a little liberal for my taste but I respect his policies so much more than Obama's because they went with our Constitution more...Where did Obama even come from??? It's absolutely ridiculous to elect someone who won't even prove he QUALIFIES to be president by presenting a birth certificate
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I support Obama. The machinery for the ghastly mess we are in was already in motion by 2008; he has been doing the best anyone could do to clean it up. Steps have been taken to prevent further irresponsible gambling by Wall Street and large banks. His main problem is that he was elected 8 years too late. Bush recklessly threw away the Clinton surplus, drove our financial car off the cliff, and landed us at the bottom of the Grand Canyon. That's what Obama is trying to dig us out of, not that he's getting much help from his fellow Americans. For example, he initially supported single payer health care, which would vastly reduce our costs by having one bureaurcracy instead of hundreds of differently-organized ones, and negotiating better drug prices. Americans were ideologically opposed to single payer, so now we have something that is more expensive and won't even cover everyone. He had to do this to appease the people who wanted to continue the old system of letting people w/o health care just #&%*ing die. This is, after all, a democracy.
I think your health care information is a little off...but I won't get into that because I think we should work for what we get and those doctors EARN that high salary and taking it away will only leave less incentive for anyone to go through the lengthy expensive schooling and training to become a doctor, furthermore the government can kiss my *bleep* for deciding anything FOR me, especially my healthcare.
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Explain to me something, how is the negativety, mind blowing statistics that go on for days and days, hidden adgendas, and a list of undone tasks that everyone is upset about going to fix what hasn't happend from this Presidency faster????? Not a damn thing.........
Sorry that you are dissapointed in our President, but no matter how much reserch you do, or how much you dread the future under his presidency, it will never change the impatience, ignorance, and selfishness in America. Its unbelieviable to me that people do not recognize how good we have it here, and continue to ask for more and more. The need for immediate, sweeping gratification, impossible standards people want met by the President, taking on a previous undone presidency, and a Republican party that from the beginning-AND I MEAN FROM THE BEGINING of Obama taking office~ no matter what the President and Democrats want to see eye to eye about, WILL NOT go along with ANYTHING from this presidency-period, is why his presidency is "failing"!!
Rachel Maddow said this(in so many words) and she was straight up and to the point.
When a political party has the preexisting plan to ruin someone's legacy, in every way possible (ie politically, personally, religiously, ect.) they will eventually succeed in disillusioning the public as they see fit, for their own selfish interests because they choose to. It doesn't matter who takes office. In other words, there are sore loosers this time around, and this should not be, on either side, especially when it comes to the future of America and its citizens well being.
How exactly are you going to have a working presidency when one side is still seething over not winning the presidential election, and wasting their time talking about everything that Obama is doing wrong today, or will do wrong in the future to America??? Its toxic and unecessarry for all citizens in the United States to have this happen at all. Satisfying one sector only leads to more unsatisfied people in another sector elsewhere, then the toxic politics begin. Its a downward spiral that never stops until someone else assumes responsibility, and then it immediately begins again!!! So I say, what is the freakin' point?
His presidency was planned to be doomed from the get-go by others.
Ask yourself this one...out of all the problems we have here in America, don't you think some people, somewhere else in this world have it much worse than we do right now?? I think we are pretty damn lucky to be where we are at right now, and I don't blame the President for any of our problems, he mearly stepped in to the muck already smothered everywhere from a previous presidency, and politics just make it all the more of a mess for him.
So you see, no matter what happenes, Americans will continue to be selfish about things like this, and it will never change. The president is only one man-and snappin' his fingers aint gonna change a thing!! There will always be conspiracy theorist out there, don't believe everything you hear (Glenn Beck is CRAZY!!!) Take stock of your life and everything around you, and make intelligent decisions about people. Don't be so quick to judge our president, unless you have run the country yourself. As far as the military goes, people choose to join of their own free will, to represent and/or fight for America, which means they have no choice but to go over seas, if called to duty by the president, plain and simple! It was their choice, whether or not they survive or not-remember-it was a choice. Please do not think that people's sons and daughters who pass away in battle overseas doesn't weigh heavy on his heart......he's not a robot, you know.
Guess what, if you and your family are safe and healthy here, and you make enough money to get by, you have your good days, and your bad days-but you are taken care of. I'd say he's doing a pretty good job, it could always be worse, you know.
All that negativety,not helping- just let it go.......someone else somewhere else has it worse than you.
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it was so, "lengthy", can't help it!
I don't have unrealistic expectations for a president, and in no way did I expect Obama to totally fix our economy, he's the one who made that empty promise. I don't dislike because of his party, he's more socialist than he is liberal anyway. I'm a Republican but I can respect the views of democrats even if I disagree with most of them, the thing that's scary is the socialist plans like redistribution of wealth and how he is trying to take hold of businesses that are supposed to be separate from the government, not the mention healthcare. You think Glenn Beck is crazy because you're a liberal, what's so crazy about small government? We were founded on small government. Before all the welfare and help systems were put in people had to work for what they have, now there is little incentive considering everyone that doesn't have a job can just get by day to day on our tax dollar and government money that the government doesn't have. It's fine if you don't agree with Beck, he's extremely conservative which you obviously aren't, but if he's crazy for being so extreme Obama is as well for being the polar opposite. I agree that other countries suck, which why I DON'T want our country to become socialist like theirs. That's WHY they suck. Socialism does not include freedom. I refuse to support someone who supports redistribution of wealth, it is ABSOLUTELY unamerican. You have to realize that when Obama wants to redistribute the wealth, he isn't including himself or his elite buddies. Just because he's liberal doesn't make him right and it definitely doesn't mean we should stop researching it and talking about it, ignorance is certainly not bliss in this case.
Never said wa Obama is right or wrong, doesn't matter if I am liberal, I just want all of the negativety to stop, and selfishness to end. I take pride in my country, and everything it offers me. I do know this, I have no desire to stop researching or talking about the presidency, I am just trying to figure out one thing.....
How does all of the negativety play out in this situation?? What are we getting accomplished by assuming that our president does not have our best interest at heart, and bashing every move he makes??? NO ONE IS PERFECT, and neither is he. I believe people are just uncomfortable with him, because he is just a regular joe.
Glenn Beck is INSANE!!!!!!!!!!! I do stand by that one though, just you wait, you will see. The MLK situation was only the beginning......
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no ones assuming he dosen't have our best interest in mind, he's proven t to us.
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Then all of this extraneous b.s. about the presidents actions while in office does not matter. It never ceases to amaze me that people who aren't directly affected by what's happening are the first to chime up, and those who are affected have nothing to say......Say something if a decision the president has made affected you personally!!! No stats, no research, no conspiracies, no politics under the table. Otherwise, we are once again waisting our time with negativity......
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Then all of this extraneous b.s. about the presidents actions while in office does not matter. It never ceases to amaze me that people who aren't directly affected by what's happening are the first to chime up, and those who are affected have nothing to say......Say something if a decision the president has made affected you personally!!! No stats, no research, no conspiracies, no politics under the table. Otherwise, we are once again waisting our time with negativity......
i have done tons of research and yes there are stats, everyone in obama's council with a position of power is of Bildeberg Group (around 130 of the richest people on earth), Trilateral Commission (North American union, Europian Union, Asian union), And Council on Foreign Relations. Everyone is of all three groups simultaniously, only a few are of one or 2. He passes Banker's Bailout, the bankers hoard the money, lend our money back to us with interest, and buy insurance companies, businesses, banks, etc. WHY HAS NO ONE WENT TO JAIL??? They've stole trillions of dollars from the people, and obama is assisting them. How can you say there's no proof? It effects EVERYONE in the country. the Bilderberg Group has secret meetings not open to the public, and they are being allowed to influence politics in our country. The power is leaving the people and the banks will soon have it. O.B.A.M.A. - ONE BIG *bleep* MISTAKE, AMERICA!!!
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Once again, How has this presidency affected you negatively- personally????? You can throw out stats and research all day long, but at the end of the day-you might get hired on at Fox News, but it doesn't change a thing.......If it hasnt affected you personally!
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Once again, How has this presidency affected you negatively- personally????? You can throw out stats and research all day long, but at the end of the day-you might get hired on at Fox News, but it doesn't change a thing.......If it hasnt affected you personally!
Because i personally am an american citzen. I love my country and dont want to see it run by corrupt, greedy bastards that only want to stay rich. Do you want to live in a world run by wall street?
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Honey, I am poor as the day is long, Its just me and my Husband, and my daughter. People who use their power in wall street incorrectly will eventually get their due. If you truly believe that the president is doing this, then more power to ya, I don't know either way. Unfortunately, money makes the world go around, and wall street does not affect me, I am not an investor, I do not trade stocks, and I can't waste my time wondering about what will be with that situation. When the stock market changes, we are still poor! I have family to worry about, and when the money runs out, I will still have my family to wory about, no matter what!
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Honey, I am poor as the day is long, Its just me and my Husband, and my daughter. People who use their power in wall street incorrectly will eventually get their due. If you truly believe that the president is doing this, then more power to ya, I don't know either way. Unfortunately, money makes the world go around, and wall street does not affect me, I am not an investor, I do not trade stocks, and I can't waste my time wondering about what will be with that situation. When the stock market changes, we are still poor! I have family to worry about, and when the money runs out, I will still have my family to wory about, no matter what!
That's the point, we the public are being forced to make wall street rich. even if you don't invest, you will pay all kinds of different taxes. funny how the federal reserve keeps hoarding bailout money that WE PAY. Buying *bleep* like insurance companies, then it becomes a LAW to have insurance? WTF. Can't anyone see the big picture here? Our own government has bee making secret deals and pledging future taxes on the public for thier pure profit. We pay healthcare taxes, and still have to pay healthcare insurance. seem funny to you? our government, our nation is turning into the biggest ponzi scheme. wall street and the elite remain on top, they choose presidents to distract you from whos really making the agenda. look up the three groups i've spoken of, find out for yourself how this is NOT a theory, it is fact.
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Honey, I am poor as the day is long, Its just me and my Husband, and my daughter. People who use their power in wall street incorrectly will eventually get their due. If you truly believe that the president is doing this, then more power to ya, I don't know either way. Unfortunately, money makes the world go around, and wall street does not affect me, I am not an investor, I do not trade stocks, and I can't waste my time wondering about what will be with that situation. When the stock market changes, we are still poor! I have family to worry about, and when the money runs out, I will still have my family to wory about, no matter what!
That's the point, we the public are being forced to make wall street rich. even if you don't invest, you will pay all kinds of different taxes. funny how the federal reserve keeps hoarding bailout money that WE PAY. Buying *bleep* like insurance companies, then it becomes a LAW to have insurance? WTF. Can't anyone see the big picture here? Our own government has bee making secret deals and pledging future taxes on the public for thier pure profit. We pay healthcare taxes, and still have to pay healthcare insurance. seem funny to you? our government, our nation is turning into the biggest ponzi scheme. wall street and the elite remain on top, they choose presidents to distract you from whos really making the agenda. look up the three groups i've spoken of, find out for yourself how this is NOT a theory, it is fact.
Please tell me that U listen to Rage Against The Machine, because I do!!! Believe me, the message of corrupt politician, and governmental practices does not fall opon deaf ears, I know what you are trying to say!! I don't want it to happen either, but all I can do is NOT INVEST!!! I take their power away by not feeding into the b.s.....
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No, i haven't heard of Rage Against The Machine, what is it? and i just get frustrated because there are so many people out there who don't see it.
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No, i haven't heard of Rage Against The Machine, what is it? and i just get frustrated because there are so many people out there who don't see it.
Its a rock band, Look it up on youtube, please! It gives me a voice when I have none......
Oh yea, and they are BAD *bleep*!!!!!!!!
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Once again, How has this presidency affected you negatively- personally????? You can throw out stats and research all day long, but at the end of the day-you might get hired on at Fox News, but it doesn't change a thing.......If it hasnt affected you personally!
Being a part of this great U.S.A., if something he does affects our country, especially if it's something I am part of and it is being messed with, then YES, it affects me personally.
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Once again, How has this presidency affected you negatively- personally????? You can throw out stats and research all day long, but at the end of the day-you might get hired on at Fox News, but it doesn't change a thing.......If it hasnt affected you personally!
Being a part of this great U.S.A., if something he does affects our country, especially if it's something I am part of and it is being messed with, then YES, it affects me personally.
Exactly, we all want our country to stay the beautiful nation it is
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Then all of this extraneous b.s. about the presidents actions while in office does not matter. It never ceases to amaze me that people who aren't directly affected by what's happening are the first to chime up, and those who are affected have nothing to say......Say something if a decision the president has made affected you personally!!! No stats, no research, no conspiracies, no politics under the table. Otherwise, we are once again waisting our time with negativity......
i have done tons of research and yes there are stats, everyone in obama's council with a position of power is of Bildeberg Group (around 130 of the richest people on earth), Trilateral Commission (North American union, Europian Union, Asian union), And Council on Foreign Relations. Everyone is of all three groups simultaniously, only a few are of one or 2. He passes Banker's Bailout, the bankers hoard the money, lend our money back to us with interest, and buy insurance companies, businesses, banks, etc. WHY HAS NO ONE WENT TO JAIL??? They've stole trillions of dollars from the people, and obama is assisting them. How can you say there's no proof? It effects EVERYONE in the country. the Bilderberg Group has secret meetings not open to the public, and they are being allowed to influence politics in our country. The power is leaving the people and the banks will soon have it. O.B.A.M.A. - ONE BIG *bleep* MISTAKE, AMERICA!!!
If you research you will see that every prez for generations have been members of the CFR, and who has been their head, so basically it doesnt matter which party is in office they are all puppets of the same master/s. And yeah.....just ignore the man behind the curtain people.
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Explain to me something, how is the negativety, mind blowing statistics that go on for days and days, hidden adgendas, and a list of undone tasks that everyone is upset about going to fix what hasn't happend from this Presidency faster????? Not a damn thing.........
Sorry that you are dissapointed in our President, but no matter how much reserch you do, or how much you dread the future under his presidency, it will never change the impatience, ignorance, and selfishness in America. Its unbelieviable to me that people do not recognize how good we have it here, and continue to ask for more and more. The need for immediate, sweeping gratification, impossible standards people want met by the President, taking on a previous undone presidency, and a Republican party that from the beginning-AND I MEAN FROM THE BEGINING of Obama taking office~ no matter what the President and Democrats want to see eye to eye about, WILL NOT go along with ANYTHING from this presidency-period, is why his presidency is "failing"!!
Rachel Maddow said this(in so many words) and she was straight up and to the point.
When a political party has the preexisting plan to ruin someone's legacy, in every way possible (ie politically, personally, religiously, ect.) they will eventually succeed in disillusioning the public as they see fit, for their own selfish interests because they choose to. It doesn't matter who takes office. In other words, there are sore loosers this time around, and this should not be, on either side, especially when it comes to the future of America and its citizens well being.
How exactly are you going to have a working presidency when one side is still seething over not winning the presidential election, and wasting their time talking about everything that Obama is doing wrong today, or will do wrong in the future to America??? Its toxic and unecessarry for all citizens in the United States to have this happen at all. Satisfying one sector only leads to more unsatisfied people in another sector elsewhere, then the toxic politics begin. Its a downward spiral that never stops until someone else assumes responsibility, and then it immediately begins again!!! So I say, what is the freakin' point?
His presidency was planned to be doomed from the get-go by others.
Ask yourself this one...out of all the problems we have here in America, don't you think some people, somewhere else in this world have it much worse than we do right now?? I think we are pretty damn lucky to be where we are at right now, and I don't blame the President for any of our problems, he mearly stepped in to the muck already smothered everywhere from a previous presidency, and politics just make it all the more of a mess for him.
So you see, no matter what happenes, Americans will continue to be selfish about things like this, and it will never change. The president is only one man-and snappin' his fingers aint gonna change a thing!! There will always be conspiracy theorist out there, don't believe everything you hear (Glenn Beck is CRAZY!!!) Take stock of your life and everything around you, and make intelligent decisions about people. Don't be so quick to judge our president, unless you have run the country yourself. As far as the military goes, people choose to join of their own free will, to represent and/or fight for America, which means they have no choice but to go over seas, if called to duty by the president, plain and simple! It was their choice, whether or not they survive or not-remember-it was a choice. Please do not think that people's sons and daughters who pass away in battle overseas doesn't weigh heavy on his heart......he's not a robot, you know.
Guess what, if you and your family are safe and healthy here, and you make enough money to get by, you have your good days, and your bad days-but you are taken care of. I'd say he's doing a pretty good job, it could always be worse, you know.
All that negativety,not helping- just let it go.......someone else somewhere else has it worse than you.
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I don't have unrealistic expectations for a president, and in no way did I expect Obama to totally fix our economy, he's the one who made that empty promise. I don't dislike because of his party, he's more socialist than he is liberal anyway. I'm a Republican but I can respect the views of democrats even if I disagree with most of them, the thing that's scary is the socialist plans like redistribution of wealth and how he is trying to take hold of businesses that are supposed to be separate from the government, not the mention healthcare. You think Glenn Beck is crazy because you're a liberal, what's so crazy about small government? We were founded on small government. Before all the welfare and help systems were put in people had to work for what they have, now there is little incentive considering everyone that doesn't have a job can just get by day to day on our tax dollar and government money that the government doesn't have. It's fine if you don't agree with Beck, he's extremely conservative which you obviously aren't, but if he's crazy for being so extreme Obama is as well for being the polar opposite. I agree that other countries suck, which why I DON'T want our country to become socialist like theirs. That's WHY they suck. Socialism does not include freedom. I refuse to support someone who supports redistribution of wealth, it is ABSOLUTELY unamerican. You have to realize that when Obama wants to redistribute the wealth, he isn't including himself or his elite buddies. Just because he's liberal doesn't make him right and it definitely doesn't mean we should stop researching it and talking about it, ignorance is certainly not bliss in this case.
Never said wa Obama is right or wrong, doesn't matter if I am liberal, I just want all of the negativety to stop, and selfishness to end. I take pride in my country, and everything it offers me. I do know this, I have no desire to stop researching or talking about the presidency, I am just trying to figure out one thing.....
How does all of the negativety play out in this situation?? What are we getting accomplished by assuming that our president does not have our best interest at heart, and bashing every move he makes??? NO ONE IS PERFECT, and neither is he. I believe people are just uncomfortable with him, because he is just a regular joe.
Glenn Beck is INSANE!!!!!!!!!!! I do stand by that one though, just you wait, you will see. The MLK situation was only the beginning......
How do you know he's a regular joe?
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Then all of this extraneous b.s. about the presidents actions while in office does not matter. It never ceases to amaze me that people who aren't directly affected by what's happening are the first to chime up, and those who are affected have nothing to say......Say something if a decision the president has made affected you personally!!! No stats, no research, no conspiracies, no politics under the table. Otherwise, we are once again waisting our time with negativity......
I'll tell you what affects me. First of all, I live in this country. Second of all, he is reforming MY healthcare. Third, he is taking MY tax money. Fourth, he is bailing out businesses that I use and by doing so is socialistically having a stake in what they do. Fifth, I LIVE HERE. Sixth, he has ties with terrorists who dislike WHERE I LIVE. Sixth, he wants to redistribute MY wealth, take my hardearned money and give it to lazy bums. Do you realize this will mean no matter how much more talented someone is, how much longer they go to school, how much harder they work, we will ALL get the same pay. Oh, excpet Obama and his elite buddies, they'll get more because they deserve it, right? If you don't wanna talk about it, get the heck off this thread. You read the title, you know where it was going, if you have a problem with people that don't like Obama then WHY ENTER THE CONVERSATION.
Oh, and you being liberal does have something to do with it considering you said it was just one party hating on another which isn't true at all.
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Honey, I am poor as the day is long, Its just me and my Husband, and my daughter. People who use their power in wall street incorrectly will eventually get their due. If you truly believe that the president is doing this, then more power to ya, I don't know either way. Unfortunately, money makes the world go around, and wall street does not affect me, I am not an investor, I do not trade stocks, and I can't waste my time wondering about what will be with that situation. When the stock market changes, we are still poor! I have family to worry about, and when the money runs out, I will still have my family to wory about, no matter what!
Well no wonder you support socialists who believe in redistribution of wealth and don't want people bashing his views.
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Once again, How has this presidency affected you negatively- personally????? You can throw out stats and research all day long, but at the end of the day-you might get hired on at Fox News, but it doesn't change a thing.......If it hasnt affected you personally!
Being a part of this great U.S.A., if something he does affects our country, especially if it's something I am part of and it is being messed with, then YES, it affects me personally.
EXACTLY.
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Then all of this extraneous b.s. about the presidents actions while in office does not matter. It never ceases to amaze me that people who aren't directly affected by what's happening are the first to chime up, and those who are affected have nothing to say......Say something if a decision the president has made affected you personally!!! No stats, no research, no conspiracies, no politics under the table. Otherwise, we are once again waisting our time with negativity......
I'll tell you what affects me. First of all, I live in this country. Second of all, he is reforming MY healthcare. Third, he is taking MY tax money. Fourth, he is bailing out businesses that I use and by doing so is socialistically having a stake in what they do. Fifth, I LIVE HERE. Sixth, he has ties with terrorists who dislike WHERE I LIVE. Sixth, he wants to redistribute MY wealth, take my hardearned money and give it to lazy bums. Do you realize this will mean no matter how much more talented someone is, how much longer they go to school, how much harder they work, we will ALL get the same pay. Oh, excpet Obama and his elite buddies, they'll get more because they deserve it, right? If you don't wanna talk about it, get the heck off this thread. You read the title, you know where it was going, if you have a problem with people that don't like Obama then WHY ENTER THE CONVERSATION.
Oh, and you being liberal does have something to do with it considering you said it was just one party hating on another which isn't true at all.
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Oh, yeah!!!! :thumbsup:
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I'm glad some other people here see the truth. :thumbsup:
anyone else think osama, i mean obama is really hope and changE??
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Then all of this extraneous b.s. about the presidents actions while in office does not matter. It never ceases to amaze me that people who aren't directly affected by what's happening are the first to chime up, and those who are affected have nothing to say......Say something if a decision the president has made affected you personally!!! No stats, no research, no conspiracies, no politics under the table. Otherwise, we are once again waisting our time with negativity......
I'll tell you what affects me. First of all, I live in this country. Second of all, he is reforming MY healthcare. Third, he is taking MY tax money. Fourth, he is bailing out businesses that I use and by doing so is socialistically having a stake in what they do. Fifth, I LIVE HERE. Sixth, he has ties with terrorists who dislike WHERE I LIVE. Sixth, he wants to redistribute MY wealth, take my hardearned money and give it to lazy bums. Do you realize this will mean no matter how much more talented someone is, how much longer they go to school, how much harder they work, we will ALL get the same pay. Oh, excpet Obama and his elite buddies, they'll get more because they deserve it, right? If you don't wanna talk about it, get the heck off this thread. You read the title, you know where it was going, if you have a problem with people that don't like Obama then WHY ENTER THE CONVERSATION.
Oh, and you being liberal does have something to do with it considering you said it was just one party hating on another which isn't true at all.
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Oh, yeah!!!! :thumbsup:
:thumbsup: Well said Mack!
Wow, I sure missed a lot
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I'm glad at least some of you guys can see what's really goin' on :BangHead:
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I'm glad at least some of you guys can see what's really goin' on :BangHead:
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I don't think we are being negative (or wasting time on being negative). Just trying to open the people's eyes. And I don't think you should believe everything you hear or read, as I've stated before, but this is a starting point for Americans(or people in this forum) who don't already know whats going on. Don't just believe what has been posted on here, but look for yourself. This directly affects every American, as Mack so wonderfully pointed out. Thanks Mack. ^_^ Of course this little forum that we so love to post in isn't going to change anything, since he's already president. And we never said it would FIX anything. "in no way did I expect Obama to totally fix our economy, he's the one who made that empty promise." quoted from Mack... (I loved that by the way) But whats wrong with letting people know? whats wrong with letting them read what we've posted and then researching for themselves and making their own judgment or decision? Nothing at all, in my eyes. I do agree with tzs on this, it will never change the impatience, ignorance, and selfishness in America. and its sad. But there is no way that Americans should just "let it go." too many Americans do this already, and look where we are! I'm sorry, but people need to wake up. Thats all "I'm" asking for. Is that too much?
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Once again, How has this presidency affected you negatively- personally????? You can throw out stats and research all day long, but at the end of the day-you might get hired on at Fox News, but it doesn't change a thing.......If it hasnt affected you personally!
Because i personally am an american citzen. I love my country and dont want to see it run by corrupt, greedy bastards that only want to stay rich. Do you want to live in a world run by wall street?
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I'm glad at least some of you guys can see what's really goin' on :BangHead:
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I don't think we are being negative (or wasting time on being negative). Just trying to open the people's eyes. And I don't think you should believe everything you hear or read, as I've stated before, but this is a starting point for Americans(or people in this forum) who don't already know whats going on. Don't just believe what has been posted on here, but look for yourself. This directly affects every American, as Mack so wonderfully pointed out. Thanks Mack. ^_^ Of course this little forum that we so love to post in isn't going to change anything, since he's already president. And we never said it would FIX anything. "in no way did I expect Obama to totally fix our economy, he's the one who made that empty promise." quoted from Mack... (I loved that by the way) But whats wrong with letting people know? whats wrong with letting them read what we've posted and then researching for themselves and making their own judgment or decision? Nothing at all, in my eyes. I do agree with tzs on this, it will never change the impatience, ignorance, and selfishness in America. and its sad. But there is no way that Americans should just "let it go." too many Americans do this already, and look where we are! I'm sorry, but people need to wake up. Thats all "I'm" asking for. Is that too much?
I agree! :thumbsup:
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anyone listen to nevershoutnever? Well start, because he is the one person who inspired me to stand up and yell "NO MORE! I REFUSE to get involved in all this politics crap! It only brings out the worst in people!" :peace: :peace: :peace:
PS hans anyone noticed that politics broken down is poli-the greek word for many- and tics- bloodsucking creatures. OPEN YOUR EYES!!!