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I'm sure everyone remember the group "N.W.A.". I'm sure you remember their infamous soung "*bleep* The Police".
Everyone was all like "they said *bleep* the police? how could they say that about people who protect us?", Then people realized why they were saying that. "black" people were being treated very badly based on their color, and that was what that song was about.
Well.... For the past year - up until a few months ago, when i moved in with my girlfriend - I lived in south central, just a few blocks from the projects. in my neighbor hood police did A LOT of racial profiling. I can remember several occasions where me and my friends would be in a car and get pulled over for a tail light being out - or something of that nature - and the police would immediately treat us like criminals, they'll want to search us, they'll want to search the car, and if you say "no i don't think you need to search" they would immediately consider that probable cause. Well , police are here to defend the public and the constitution. But the first thing they do is break it. Do police get extra money for busting people?
I'm not speaking of all police officers but few have shown me otherwise.
What are your thoughts on police corruption?
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I'm sure its just like any other job out there. There are d*ckwads in every field of work. Police are probably one of the most prominent because of their relations with the public.
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I'm sure its just like any other job out there. There are d*ckwads in every field of work. Police are probably one of the most prominent because of their relations with the public.
I know. Toda police are so antagonistic. I just wish they would all do their jobs and leave all that antagonistic behavior at home.
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I'm sure everyone remember the group "N.W.A.". I'm sure you remember their infamous soung "*bleep* The Police".
Everyone was all like "they said *bleep* the police? how could they say that about people who protect us?", Then people realized why they were saying that. "black" people were being treated very badly based on their color, and that was what that song was about.
Well.... For the past year - up until a few months ago, when i moved in with my girlfriend - I lived in south central, just a few blocks from the projects. in my neighbor hood police did A LOT of racial profiling. I can remember several occasions where me and my friends would be in a car and get pulled over for a tail light being out - or something of that nature - and the police would immediately treat us like criminals, they'll want to search us, they'll want to search the car, and if you say "no i don't think you need to search" they would immediately consider that probable cause. Well , police are here to defend the public and the constitution. But the first thing they do is break it. Do police get extra money for busting people?
I'm not speaking of all police officers but few have shown me otherwise.
What are your thoughts on police corruption?
Unfortunately we have a few police officers on our local police force that have "god complex" as one of the better police officers on the force calls it. I got pulled over by one of them last may. This guy was a total *bleep*. He claimed I was speeding but it was on a rural highway coming into town right where the speed limit changes and I was slowing down as I came up to the sign marking the 35. Now mind you I am driving a minivan with a kid in a car seat in the back and my hubby in the passenger seat who swears I was not speeding either. He goes back to his cruiser runs my record.. comes back and says well...I checked your record and since you had a speeding ticket 10 years ago I am not going to give you a warning like I had planned..... I just stared at him dumbfounded at what he said lol. 10 years I went with no violations no accidents no arrests but because ten years ago I was going 5 over the speed limit on a major highway in my sports car that I got rid of since we had our daughter I had to pay 150.00. Recently there have been a lot of complaints about some of these officers damaging cars when searching them for no apparent reason. My mother in law was telling us about an elderly lady in her 80's that was pulled over and forced out of her vehicle why they searched for drugs... they tore the crap outta her interior he daughter had to sue the department for the repairs. They pulled me over another night just after I had dropped off my hubby at work because someone in a similar vehicle had drove off without paying for gas at the truck stop. Good thing it was almost payday and we were almost on empty LOL.
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My thoughts on corrupt police:
They make me sick! :angry7: but how can you stop the corruption? .......
In this small town that I grew up in (for a few years) they would always harrass us. If you were in the wrong neighborhood, or part of town, or with someone with a certain last name, or you looked a certain way, they would pull you over and search you every time, didn't matter if you did anything wrong or not, they would laugh, and they enjoyed it. It got so bad, that a lot of people started complaining. the cops weren't helping people, or protecting them, they were harrassing the innocent ones while the bad ones were left alone to corrupt more youth. *Long story short* Finally, the people complained enough, that a lot of cops "involved" were busted. It was pretty twisted :angry7:
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Legally a police officer HAS NO RIGHT to search a vehicle without a warrant. Unless they see drugs in the open.
And yes MANY MANY cops are corrupted but their are a few with good morals.
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Legally a police officer HAS NO RIGHT to search a vehicle without a warrant. Unless they see drugs in the open.
And yes MANY MANY cops are corrupted but their are a few with good morals.
I can't speak for where you live, but they can search without a warrant here. There are many neighborhoods labeled/designated as 'known drug trafficking' areas. If you are pulled over in any of these and there is the slightest thing fishy, such as a late hour, NOT living in the neighborhood, etc., you CAN and WILL have your vehicle searched if they feel like it. It is no different than prior notification of DUI stops and roadblocks. They notify ahead of time where and when they will be, so if you decide to drive up on one, your butts in a sling if they stop you and there is any cause for suspicion. I am not saying I completely agree with it, but as far as the drug areas, it has put a lot of people behind bars. We have our share of cops who are total idiots about everything, but I also would NOT want to have my life on the line out there. I've lost count of how many officers have been seriously injured, disabled, and even killed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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First you have to look at it from both views.
If you were a police officer in LA how would you approach anyone prior to a stop. Being black I don't see anything wrong with racial profiling as long as the officer abids by the law in questioning. Being in a bad neighborhood, dressing like a hood and having suspicious behavior is enough for for me.
You have to remember they come across the worst scum out there and always put their lives on the line.
But yes there are some bad ones in every bunch.
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First you have to look at it from both views.
Being black I don't see anything wrong with racial profiling as long as the officer abids by the law in questioning. Being in a bad neighborhood, dressing like a hood and having suspicious behavior is enough for for me.
Really? please tell me you're being sarcastic.
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First you have to look at it from both views.
Being black I don't see anything wrong with racial profiling as long as the officer abids by the law in questioning. Being in a bad neighborhood, dressing like a hood and having suspicious behavior is enough for for me.
Really? please tell me you're being sarcastic.
Not at all. Seriously you need to look at both veiws before you lump ALL of law enforcement officials into your profiling!
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First you have to look at it from both views.
Being black I don't see anything wrong with racial profiling as long as the officer abids by the law in questioning. Being in a bad neighborhood, dressing like a hood and having suspicious behavior is enough for for me.
Really? please tell me you're being sarcastic.
Not at all. Seriously you need to look at both veiws before you lump ALL of law enforcement officials into your profiling!
I knew i should hve put this in from he start, Im not speaking of ALL officers. There are plenty that do their job right. but you thnk racial profiling's okay? and it's not abiding by the law to base suspison on race, how somone dresses, or where they live.
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we could be wrong either way. alot of people dont trust the police because of someone in that force is also doing bad things too.
some policemen or police women can be a bad figure as well. so yeah maybe someone like us is holding a grudge against them.
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I knew i should hve put this in from he start, Im not speaking of ALL officers. There are plenty that do their job right. but you thnk racial profiling's okay? and it's not abiding by the law to base suspison on race, how somone dresses, or where they live.
Thats where you are wrong! It is prefectly fine to profile anyone if they are being suspicious or in suspicious surroundings. Wherethere the police act cautiously or just flat out treat you like a criminal is what defines them as being law abidding.
If you think no law enforcement offical profiles then you are living in a cave.
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8) :( news. I will think about it. I shall return.
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I knew i should hve put this in from he start, Im not speaking of ALL officers. There are plenty that do their job right. but you thnk racial profiling's okay? and it's not abiding by the law to base suspison on race, how somone dresses, or where they live.
Thats where you are wrong! It is prefectly fine to profile anyone if they are being suspicious or in suspicious surroundings. Wherethere the police act cautiously or just flat out treat you like a criminal is what defines them as being law abidding.
If you think no law enforcement offical profiles then you are living in a cave.
you obviously didn't read my post. They ARE flat out treating people like criminals. and i can't belive you are sitting here trying to justify racial profiling. being "black" or any other race or dressing a certain way does NOT constitute reasonable suspision.
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you obviously didn't read my post. They ARE flat out treating people like criminals. and i can't belive you are sitting here trying to justify racial profiling. being "black" or any other race or dressing a certain way does NOT constitute reasonable suspision.
I actually read it a few times to understand it!
You stated you live in the ghetto or next to it and wonder why police treat most like criminals...with that statement along I'm surprised you even wrote this post.
Whats the crime rate in that area? Whats your opinion of being treated like a criminal? You post just has them asking to search your vehicle which is justified if there is reason to suspect you, the occupants, or the vehicle. How were you treated as a criminal.....you obviously left out how they were treating anyone like criminals in your area.
And I never said just being black constituted suspicion! ::) I'll correct myself to say that only racial profiling is not what I meant, but to profile the person/persons with everything considered. I do it everyday...it is just knowing your surroundings.
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you obviously didn't read my post. They ARE flat out treating people like criminals. and i can't belive you are sitting here trying to justify racial profiling. being "black" or any other race or dressing a certain way does NOT constitute reasonable suspision.
You post just has them asking to search your vehicle which is justified if there is reason to suspect you, the occupants, or the vehicle. How were you treated as a criminal.....
A broken taillight is not a reasonable constitution for search. But wanting to search the vehicle and saying "i'm going to hold you for disorderly coduct if you say no" is wrong. And i don't live in the ghetto anymore. Automatically assuming there is something illegal in the car is treating us like criminals.
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A broken taillight is not a reasonable constitution for search. But wanting to search the vehicle and saying "i'm going to hold you for disorderly coduct if you say no" is wrong. And i don't live in the ghetto anymore. Automatically assuming there is something illegal in the car is treating us like criminals.
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One question. How are you and your friends dressed? What was the location? Were you near a dangerous area, or a place prone to crime? I'm not much for racial profiliing, but if a cop pulls over all these punks who are wanna-be "gangsta's", then I hope they treat them like they MAY be one. If they want to dress the part, they should be prepared to be treated with suspision.
You know what they say, if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck.... (it's probably not a fish) :)
Of course, if none of the above questions apply, then the cops are just @-holes. Cops are human too, and there's bound to be jerks, just like in every other profession.
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Police should be just serving and protecting but of course most do not most are corrupt and assholes..I think that is in any profession there is always a idiot somewhere..I do not agree in racial profiling on the way someone looks,dresses or their color thats just wrong..I mean I grew up in Detroit and most cops there well wanted the drugs LMAO..
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I found it odd that someone said you have to let them search your vechile,, NO you do not. We have rights!!!!
Flex your rights .org
Remember that police don't need consent to search if they have a warrant. But if officers ask for consent to search, you always have the right to refuse even if they claim that they have a warrant or that they can easily get one.
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One question. How are you and your friends dressed? What was the location? Were you near a dangerous area, or a place prone to crime? I'm not much for racial profiliing, but if a cop pulls over all these punks who are wanna-be "gangsta's", then I hope they treat them like they MAY be one. If they want to dress the part, they should be prepared to be treated with suspision.
You know what they say, if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck.... (it's probably not a fish) :)
Of course, if none of the above questions apply, then the cops are just @-holes. Cops are human too, and there's bound to be jerks, just like in every other profession.
First of all, just because they dress a certain way DOES NOT mean they are that way. Don't get me wrong, it can be quite confusing, but there are people who are less fortunate, who can't dress really nice. That doesn't make them a criminal, or a gangster or anything like it. I also don't believe that just because your in a bad area the cops should treat you like a criminal. Some people can't afford to live anywhere else. I had to drive thru bad areas all the time, because that was how I got home(without going the long way) and my house was in a, what people considered, a nice area. But just because I was driving through that area doesn't mean I'm in any way a criminal or up to bad stuff. I have met some of the nicest most kind hearted people who dress like, what people label "punks".. Its just an excuse for corrupt police to use to search people and treat people like *bleep*.
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I found it odd that someone said you have to let them search your vechile,, NO you do not. We have rights!!!!
Flex your rights .org
Remember that police don't need consent to search if they have a warrant. But if officers ask for consent to search, you always have the right to refuse even if they claim that they have a warrant or that they can easily get one.
Thats what I thought. But they did it anyway. Everytime. I also didn't think they could take off your shoes without you being under arrest, but they did that too!!
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you obviously didn't read my post. They ARE flat out treating people like criminals. and i can't belive you are sitting here trying to justify racial profiling. being "black" or any other race or dressing a certain way does NOT constitute reasonable suspision.
You post just has them asking to search your vehicle which is justified if there is reason to suspect you, the occupants, or the vehicle. How were you treated as a criminal.....
A broken taillight is not a reasonable constitution for search. But wanting to search the vehicle and saying "i'm going to hold you for disorderly coduct if you say no" is wrong. And i don't live in the ghetto anymore. Automatically assuming there is something illegal in the car is treating us like criminals.
You have alot to learn, especially your rights! And no, assume something is wrong and investigating it is not treating you like a criminal or against the law! Plan and simple. A broken tail light gives them reason to pull you over and what ever their gutt tells them next will lead to a search or not.
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First of all, just because they dress a certain way DOES NOT mean they are that way. Don't get me wrong, it can be quite confusing, but there are people who are less fortunate, who can't dress really nice. That doesn't make them a criminal, or a gangster or anything like it. I also don't believe that just because your in a bad area the cops should treat you like a criminal. Some people can't afford to live anywhere else. I had to drive thru bad areas all the time, because that was how I got home(without going the long way) and my house was in a, what people considered, a nice area. But just because I was driving through that area doesn't mean I'm in any way a criminal or up to bad stuff. I have met some of the nicest most kind hearted people who dress like, what people label "punks".. Its just an excuse for corrupt police to use to search people and treat people like *bleep*.
You don't have to dress nice, but use some commonsense. If you want less attention then dress apropriately, dress like a banger and act suspicious then you will be profiled as one.
Most of the time the ones crying about police harassment are the ones with something to hide.
Police corruption and harassment are to different things, this topic seems to be more about harassment then corruption.
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Dress nice or appropriate well I can't wrap my head around that what is appropriate to some is not to all so assuming something by the way someone dresses is BS..I dress many ways so what if I look thug that day I deserve to be profiled umm not!! I do not judge people by the way the dress..And honestly no one should..It is called individual freedom to express ones self I do not have to like it but judging it is wrong cop uniforms make them look uptight shoudl I assume they are uptight NO
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Dress nice or appropriate well I can't wrap my head around that what is appropriate to some is not to all so assuming something by the way someone dresses is BS..I dress many ways so what if I look thug that day I deserve to be profiled umm not!! I do not judge people by the way the dress..And honestly no one should..It is called individual freedom to express ones self I do not have to like it but judging it is wrong cop uniforms make them look uptight shoudl I assume they are uptight NO
Ignorance I guess is an idividuals freedom it seems too.
First read that I stated there is more then just the ways one dresses, but their enviroment AND most importantly their actions. If they are acting suspicion then YES they/you/I deserve to be profiled in order to have the law enforement official to do his job safely.
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Dress nice or appropriate well I can't wrap my head around that what is appropriate to some is not to all so assuming something by the way someone dresses is BS..I dress many ways so what if I look thug that day I deserve to be profiled umm not!! I do not judge people by the way the dress..And honestly no one should..It is called individual freedom to express ones self I do not have to like it but judging it is wrong cop uniforms make them look uptight shoudl I assume they are uptight NO
Ignorance I guess is an idividuals freedom it seems too.
First read that I stated there is more then just the ways one dresses, but their enviroment AND most importantly their actions. If they are acting suspicion then YES they/you/I deserve to be profiled in order to have the law enforement official to do his job safely.
If someone is acting suspicious, that is a completely different thing. Of course if someone is acting in a suspicous manner, the cops are going to approach them. We are talking about cops looking at someones appearance, and then determining what kind of person they are and/or whether or not they'll search them, pull them over, etc.
First of all, just because they dress a certain way DOES NOT mean they are that way. Don't get me wrong, it can be quite confusing, but there are people who are less fortunate, who can't dress really nice. That doesn't make them a criminal, or a gangster or anything like it. I also don't believe that just because your in a bad area the cops should treat you like a criminal. Some people can't afford to live anywhere else. I had to drive thru bad areas all the time, because that was how I got home(without going the long way) and my house was in a, what people considered, a nice area. But just because I was driving through that area doesn't mean I'm in any way a criminal or up to bad stuff. I have met some of the nicest most kind hearted people who dress like, what people label "punks".. Its just an excuse for corrupt police to use to search people and treat people like *bleep*.
You don't have to dress nice, but use some commonsense. If you want less attention then dress apropriately, dress like a banger and act suspicious then you will be profiled as one.
Most of the time the ones crying about police harassment are the ones with something to hide.
Police corruption and harassment are to different things, this topic seems to be more about harassment then corruption.
I understand what your saying, but if someone can't afford to dress nice, commonsense has nothing to do with it. They wear what they have and thats it. Of course, theres always those ones who dress and act that way because they want to be that way and want people to think they are "gangsta". Which, in my opinion, is ridiculous.
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If someone is acting suspicious, that is a completely different thing. Of course if someone is acting in a suspicous manner, the cops are going to approach them. We are talking about cops looking at someones appearance, and then determining what kind of person they are and/or whether or not they'll search them, pull them over, etc.
I understand what your saying, but if someone can't afford to dress nice, commonsense has nothing to do with it. They wear what they have and thats it. Of course, theres always those ones who dress and act that way because they want to be that way and want people to think they are "gangsta". Which, in my opinion, is ridiculous.
This isn't about whether people can afford to dress "nice". This is about people dressing like "gangstas" on purpose. I don't know about where you live, but a package of plain white t-shirts and plain straight leg blue jeans are far cheaper than the articles of clothing I'd consider to be "gangsta" style are. I don't consider someone in regular t-shirt/jeans to be suspicous. The people I would be referring to are the one's with their super baggy jeans (that they can't seem to keep on their butts), their caps, and their "bling" (whether it's real or plastic doesn't matter). If you dress like that, you get moved to the "potential for danger" category. No matter what you say, appearance DOES affect people's reactions to a person.
For example, if you saw one of these "thugs", and a well-dressed business man, which do you think would be more likely to rob a liquor store? (If you know nothing about them except their appearence.) And there's no real point in saying one shouldn't judge based on appearances, because everyone does it subconsciously.
Does that mean there are no bad cops? No. Does that mean that all people who dress like that are bad? Certainly not. Is it likely that being suspicious of a person based on their appearance has saved their life/enabled them to bring in a wanted person? Definately.
In short: bad police are still bad; good police are still good; profiling does help protect them from potentially dangerous people.
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Note that, while I say profiling helps, it has to be at least somewhat reasonable. Racial profiling is never okay, because you can't control that. Profiling based on location can be okay, if there is a high rate of crime in the area and they have an idea of what to be looking for (eye witness accounts, for example). Profiling based on appearance (clothing/behavior) is fine because people CAN choose to change it.
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This isn't about whether people can afford to dress "nice". This is about people dressing like "gangstas" on purpose.
To be honest, this isn't about either one. Its about police profiling people based on appearance, and appearance alone.
No matter what you say, appearance DOES affect people's reactions to a person.
I know it does. Its sad, but true. Though, It shouldn't be based on one's appearance alone.
For example, if you saw one of these "thugs", and a well-dressed business man, which do you think would be more likely to rob a liquor store? (If you know nothing about them except their appearence.) And there's no real point in saying one shouldn't judge based on appearances, because everyone does it subconsciously.
Of course your first thought is the "Thug". But what defines a thug? Is it only his clothes or his appearance? No, Its his behaviors as well. Also, a man in a suit and tie can rob a liquor store just as easily as the thug. Actually, it would probably be easier. Seeing as how, they wouldn't see him coming, or expect it. I see what you are saying though, trust me.
Does that mean there are no bad cops? No. Does that mean that all people who dress like that are bad? Certainly not. Is it likely that being suspicious of a person based on their appearance has saved their life/enabled them to bring in a wanted person? Definately.
I agree.
In short: bad police are still bad; good police are still good; profiling does help protect them from potentially dangerous people.
I agree to the first 2. but profiling people is wrong, IMO. Never judge a book by its cover.
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Thanks sflynt for holdin' it down for me. But just to add i dress rather nice, usually polo to the socks.
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Thanks sflynt for holdin' it down for me. But just to add i dress rather nice, usually polo to the socks.
Lol!! No problem! :thumbsup: ;D
And for the record, I dress very nice as well. ;D
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I'm seeing the word "thug" thrown around A LOT in here, so let me clarify what "thug" actually means.
1. a thug is not a "gangsta", a "gangsta" is a member of a gang or similar undrground organization, not all gangs are bad.
2. being a "thug" has NOTHING to do with appearance or the way you talk
3. the actual definition is: somone who lives life by thier own standads, disregarding common morals, laws, etc... Meaning one lives his/her own life without guidelines and refuses to "just accept" things that are considerd "proper" behavior, lifestyle, etc... like for example a thug may smoke weed. regardless the law says it's wrong, he/she feels it's o.k. and sees no problem with it. a thug isn't a bad person. granted: SOME thugs are, but not all.
For example, if you saw one of these "thugs", and a well-dressed business man, which do you think would be more likely to rob a liquor store? (If you know nothing about them except their appearence.)
They both have the same likelyhood. that could be a million dollar rapper, so niether would be likely to risk their life for a couple hundred bucks. and what exactly is "well-dressed"? the "gangsta" is well dressed for a rap music video.
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I'm seeing the word "thug" thrown around A LOT in here, so let me clarify what "thug" actually means.
1. a thug is not a "gangsta", a "gangsta" is a member of a gang or similar undrground organization, not all gangs are bad.
2. being a "thug" has NOTHING to do with appearance or the way you talk
3. the actual definition is: somone who lives life by thier own standads, disregarding common morals, laws, etc... Meaning one lives his/her own life without guidelines and refuses to "just accept" things that are considerd "proper" behavior, lifestyle, etc... like for example a thug may smoke weed. regardless the law says it's wrong, he/she feels it's o.k. and sees no problem with it. a thug isn't a bad person. granted: SOME thugs are, but not all.
For example, if you saw one of these "thugs", and a well-dressed business man, which do you think would be more likely to rob a liquor store? (If you know nothing about them except their appearence.)
They both have the same likelyhood. that could be a million dollar rapper, so niether would be likely to risk their life for a couple hundred bucks. and what exactly is "well-dressed"? the "gangsta" is well dressed for a rap music video.
Sorry, but no.
Definition of thug from wikipedia: Thug, a common criminal, who treats others violently and roughly, often for hire. Often a member of a gang, as an enforcer in organized crime, and misdemeanor.
Or if you prefer from dictionary.com: a cruel or vicious ruffian, robber, or murderer. a member of an organization of robbers and assassins in India who typically strangled their victims:
This second definition is where the word gang became associated with the word thug. You are using Tupac's definition for thug, and not the actual meaning of the word from an english dictionary.
Also, "gansta" clothing will never be well dressed for a rap video. They will be dressed appropriately for the job, though.
Well dressed - having tasteful clothing and being scrupulously neat; attired in clothing that is of good quality, is properly fitted, and is appropriate and becoming.
"Gangsta" clothing would generally NOT be considered any of these, unless of course refering to specific instances (in rap videos/business) where it would be considered appropriate.
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Whether people agree on the semantics of words like thug is really not relevent to the topic. The topic was about whether police have the right to search, correct? Or if they were being corrupt? I checked FindLaw.com and found this: Once police have validly stopped a vehicle, they may also, based on articulable facts warranting a reasonable belief that weapons may be present, conduct a Terry-type protective search of those portions of the passenger compartment in which a weapon could be placed or hidden. 65 And, in the absence of such reasonable suspicion as to weapons, police may seize contraband and suspicious items ''in plain view'' inside the passenger compartment.
Since it specifies reasonable belief, they are basically saying if the officer can convince a judge that they had reason to search, then the searching is allowed. This is because you were stopped for a valid reason (broken light). Had there been no reason to stop you, it would have been illegal to search.
It still doesn't mean it was right of them to search you, all I am stating is it could be legal for them to do so.
Since I do not know the specifics, like who you were with, what the area's like, what the personality of the cop is, or any number of details that would contribute to the event, I can give neither validation nor condemnation for the officer to have done so.
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first wiki isn't a reliable source of info
second I KNOW what a thug is and it has nothing to do with the stereotypes you listed
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There is, in my opinion, never any justification of profiling strictly as race as the criteria. That said, when I worked as a bail enforcement officer I always, mentally profiled everyone I came in contact with. I do not think it is possible not to. I do think it is necessary in order to do the job in an effective and safe(for everyone involved) manner.
If one wants to avoid extraordinary attention, he tries to blend into his environment, if he fails to do so, he is just asking for individual notice.
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There is, in my opinion, never any justification of profiling strictly as race as the criteria. That said, when I worked as a bail enforcement officer I always, mentally profiled everyone I came in contact with. I do not think it is possible not to. I do think it is necessary in order to do the job in an effective and safe(for everyone involved) manner.
If one wants to avoid extraordinary attention, he tries to blend into his environment, if he fails to do so, he is just asking for individual notice.
Well said and I agree 100%
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There is, in my opinion, never any justification of profiling strictly as race as the criteria. That said, when I worked as a bail enforcement officer I always, mentally profiled everyone I came in contact with. I do not think it is possible not to. I do think it is necessary in order to do the job in an effective and safe(for everyone involved) manner.
If one wants to avoid extraordinary attention, he tries to blend into his environment, if he fails to do so, he is just asking for individual notice.
Well said and I agree 100%
BULL CRAP----What do you mean that there is never any justification for racial profiling?? How many Africians OR African- Americans have launched terrorist attacks against America?? ANSWER--NONE. How many Asians have launched terrorist attacks against America?? ANSWER--NONE. How many Japenese have launched terrrorist attacks against America since Pearl Harbor?? ANSWER--NONE. How many Europeans have launched terrorist attacks against America?? ANSWER--NONE. How many Mexicans have launched terrorist attacks against America?? ANSWER--NONE. How many Muslims have launched terrorist attacks against America?? ANSWER__TOO DAMMED MANY.
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BULL CRAP----What do you mean that there is never any justification for racial profiling?? How many Africians OR African- Americans have launched terrorist attacks against America?? ANSWER--NONE. How many Asians have launched terrorist attacks against America?? ANSWER--NONE. How many Japenese have launched terrrorist attacks against America since Pearl Harbor?? ANSWER--NONE. How many Europeans have launched terrorist attacks against America?? ANSWER--NONE. How many Mexicans have launched terrorist attacks against America?? ANSWER--NONE. How many Muslims have launched terrorist attacks against America?? ANSWER__TOO DAMMED MANY.
Ignorance! This makes no sense.
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Psh if you don't judge people you will get hurt from being stupid.
First of all, I said, "never judge a book by its cover". I'm sorry you like to judge people before knowing them. but thats not how I am. Now if you were to "trust" someone before knowing them, then I could see you getting hurt by your own stupidity. psh
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Psh if you don't judge people you will get hurt from being stupid.
First of all, I said, "never judge a book by its cover". I'm sorry you like to judge people before knowing them. but thats not how I am. Now if you were to "trust" someone before knowing them, then I could see you getting hurt by your own stupidity. psh
Is an opinion not a judgement...
I understand that you may believe that, however, thats not what you said.
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Psh if you don't judge people you will get hurt from being stupid.
First of all, I said, "never judge a book by its cover". I'm sorry you like to judge people before knowing them. but thats not how I am. Now if you were to "trust" someone before knowing them, then I could see you getting hurt by your own stupidity. psh
Is an opinion not a judgement...
I understand that you may believe that, however, thats not what you said.
Petty drama.
I know, isn't it sad? *sarcasm* ::)
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I thought we were talking about police injustice here?? What the heck happened??
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I am sure they have reason. Cops are always nice to me. I may get attacked for this BUT the majority of black males who dress gangsta and all that are up to no good.
Your ignorance and racism is back again. How you flip in and out of your mindstate makes many think you need medical help. ???
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I am sure they have reason. Cops are always nice to me. I may get attacked for this BUT the majority of black males who dress gangsta and all that are up to no good.
Your ignorance and racism is back again. How you flip in and out of your mindstate makes many think you need medical help. ???
I agree.
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Yeah whatever...I forgot these are the best citizens around...they are perfect little angels...go ahead approach them like everyone else..hehe
If you don't automatically think these people are criminals up to no good, then you're a damn idiot.
That being said, I do love how they dress.
Your the idiot and you prove it everyday on here.
There is no need to even argue with you are you are too dumb to understand you are wrong in the worst way.
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There is little gnat flying around in here in everyone's faces...someone swat it! hurry, quick, before it lands in your mouth!! lol
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There is little gnat flying around in here in everyone's faces...someone swat it! hurry, quick, before it lands in your mouth!! lol
Dumb...
hahaha! I found it humorous. ;D but with the way your posting in these forums, your like a little "bug" thats annoying everyone. Sorry, but thats just my opinion (and everyone elses). You're asking for all the drama by the way you act on here. Glad your enjoying yourself though :D
Hope it works out for ya.
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There is little gnat flying around in here in everyone's faces...someone swat it! hurry, quick, before it lands in your mouth!! lol
Dumb...
hahaha! I found it humorous. ;D but with the way your posting in these forums, your like a little "bug" thats annoying everyone. Sorry, but thats just my opinion (and everyone elses). You're asking for all the drama by the way you act on here. Glad your enjoying yourself though :D
Hope it works out for ya.
Great minds think alike...so um...y'all are dumb, if you can't see where I am coming from.
haha name calling? seriously?
anyways... those pictures are great examples of gangsters acting like gangsters. Of course I would think they are up to no-good. Because they are ACTING and BEHAVING like it.
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We are talking about profiling based on their appearance/clothes/skin color/hair length etc. Those pictures only help my side, when I said :
If someone is acting suspicious, that is a completely different thing. Of course if someone is acting in a suspicous manner, the cops are going to approach them. We are talking about cops looking at someones appearance, and then determining what kind of person they are and/or whether or not they'll search them, pull them over, etc.
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We are talking about profiling based on their appearance/clothes/skin color/hair length etc. Those pictures only help my side, when I said :
If someone is acting suspicious, that is a completely different thing. Of course if someone is acting in a suspicous manner, the cops are going to approach them. We are talking about cops looking at someones appearance, and then determining what kind of person they are and/or whether or not they'll search them, pull them over, etc.
I thought clothes was part of a persons appearance...
Your right. I see what you are saying. If someone has gang signs/symbols whatever on there clothes, that to me would be probable cause, because they are promoting gangs/gang behavior etc. but just basing your opinion or judgement on the appearance alone (without said gang symbols on there clothes) then that to me is wrong.
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I HAVE NEVER GOTTEN ANYTHING BUT PROBLEMS and INJUSTICE from the POLICE.
I DO NOT LIKE THEM AT ALL.