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Discussion Boards => Offers => Topic started by: thejoe2k8 on February 29, 2008, 10:01:49 am
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Hello all you "lovely" people. Thejoe2k8 is back from his unfair suspension to grace the pages of the forum once again. Today we will discuss the statement of Honesty on the internet... Here to discuss this topic is Joey.
Thejoe2k8: "Mr. Joey. Where does honesty fit within the world wide web?"
Joey: (Deep southern drawl) "According to a recent college survey. Out of 27,483 students and faculty, 23,541 openly admitted to lying about something on the internet. That's roughly 86%. According to those numbers honesty doesn't seem to fit in too well with the internet."
Thejoe2k8: "What's your take on the people stating that they're on many of these kinds of sites and don't complete multiple offers?"
Joey: "It's almost impossible to acheive that feat, considering most of these sites have the same affiliates; for the most part anyway. Maybe, they don't do the Blockbuster.com or Stamps.com offers over and over. But I'd say there's more than a couple of people who have joined pandaresearch a half a dozen times. Considering you have members in the cult... er, group stating they use different email addresses to do certain offers more than suggests the theory is true. Is this fraud? No, most of us have multiple email addresses. As long as you use your real name, physical address, and don't pretend to be Tony down the street; then no it's not fraud."
Thejoe2k8: "Excellent that you brought up Blockbuster and Stamps.com. Do you believe the members that sign up for those respected services actually do it out of INTEREST?"
Joey: "Someone stated they would've signed up for the offer regardless of whether or not it offered cash or not... Blockbuster.com, Stamps.com, Netflix.com, and several others have been around for quite some time. Their ads are on every major website and even most of the minor sites, looking for new members. If it was a service you really wanted to begin with; why wait and sign up for the incentive? Why only join after you find out there's a site out there that offers cash for signing up for these offers? How many closed those accounts only to come on here and sign up using a different credit card, username, and email address?"
Thejoe2k8: "One last question. How many members do you believe has more than one active fusioncash account?"
Joey: "I know that I'm not one of 'em. But with those using a wireless router with more than one active wireless signal around their home. I'd be willing to bet there's more than a couple that get more than one monthly check from fusioncash and other sites."
Thejoe2k8: "Thank you, Joey. This has been a special edition of "Tick you off" Magazine. Thank you and have a terrible day!
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That's So True :angel12:
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Hello all you "lovely" people. Thejoe2k8 is back from his unfair suspension to grace the pages of the forum once again. Today we will discuss the statement of Honesty on the internet... Here to discuss this topic is Joey.
Thejoe2k8: "Mr. Joey. Where does honesty fit within the world wide web?"
Joey: (Deep southern drawl) "According to a recent college survey. Out of 27,483 students and faculty, 23,541 openly admitted to lying about something on the internet. That's roughly 86%. According to those numbers honesty doesn't seem to fit in too well with the internet."
Thejoe2k8: "What's your take on the people stating that they're on many of these kinds of sites and don't complete multiple offers?"
Joey: "It's almost impossible to acheive that feat, considering most of these sites have the same affiliates; for the most part anyway. Maybe, they don't do the Blockbuster.com or Stamps.com offers over and over. But I'd say there's more than a couple of people who have joined pandaresearch a half a dozen times. Considering you have members in the cult... er, group stating they use different email addresses to do certain offers more than suggests the theory is true. Is this fraud? No, most of us have multiple email addresses. As long as you use your real name, physical address, and don't pretend to be Tony down the street; then no it's not fraud."
Thejoe2k8: "Excellent that you brought up Blockbuster and Stamps.com. Do you believe the members that sign up for those respected services actually do it out of INTEREST?"
Joey: "Someone stated they would've signed up for the offer regardless of whether or not it offered cash or not... Blockbuster.com, Stamps.com, Netflix.com, and several others have been around for quite some time. Their ads are on every major website and even most of the minor sites, looking for new members. If it was a service you really wanted to begin with; why wait and sign up for the incentive? Why only join after you find out there's a site out there that offers cash for signing up for these offers? How many closed those accounts only to come on here and sign up using a different credit card, username, and email address?"
Thejoe2k8: "One last question. How many members do you believe has more than one active fusioncash account?"
Joey: "I know that I'm not one of 'em. But with those using a wireless router with more than one active wireless signal around their home. I'd be willing to bet there's more than a couple that get more than one monthly check from fusioncash and other sites."
Thejoe2k8: "Thank you, Joey. This has been a special edition of "Tick you off" Magazine. Thank you and have a terrible day!
Joe2k8 Your suspention was fair. You were given a number of chances to prove what you were saying was true and yet you never provided any real proof. Now as far as the facts and figures you have provided in this post please enliten all of us as to were exactly you got these facts and figures from. Or are you just making things up again?
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dude, you really have alot of time on your hands.
have you considered volunteering?
in the time it took to compose that bit, you could have been feeding hungry people.
its what i plan to do once i retire.
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dude, you really have alot of time on your hands.
have you considered volunteering?
in the time it took to compose that bit, you could have been feeding hungry people.
its what i plan to do once i retire.
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Hay bro how long do you think it will be before this gets all blown out again and he gets suspended again? LOL
Rut ro I got to start posting more your starting to catch up. Can't let you get to hero before me. LOL :icon_rr:
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Rut ro I got to start posting more your starting to catch up. Can't let you get to hero before me. LOL :icon_rr:
what do you have.... 44 more comments?
youre killing me.
KILLING ME.
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thejoe, I still want to see your internet act, and I still want to know why you said you worked for our advertisers and that they would be coming down if we did not unban you from the forum?
Honestly, nothing went down from us leaving your ban on. So was that just an empty threat?
And there is no one with more than once active FusionCash account that gets paid, our verification team nitpicks each and every account and there are several easy ways to determine the validity of the users.
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Hay Joe2k8 be carefull your (http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h191/curion123/myspace/animated62.gif) in the wrong place.
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Joe will u pleaseeeeee behave?. - welcome back dude :wave:-...
i think most of us have indeed done an offer more then once...i remember when i first started doing Gpt's i started to do an offer...noted that it was listed twice...sent a support ticket an was told..oh "no..one asks for your email..the other for your zipcode"... im like 'but its the same product'?..yes they said.. but its 'different'... :sad1:..my thinkin is..when i fill out my personal info. both will ask for my email and my zip anyway.. :dontknow:
*sits back an waits for the groupies to show up..10...9...8..*
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Joe will u pleaseeeeee behave?. - welcome back dude :wave:-...
i think most of us have indeed done an offer more then once...i remember when i first started doing Gpt's i started to do an offer...noted that it was listed twice...sent a support ticket an was told..oh "no..one asks for your email..the other for your zipcode"... im like 'but its the same product'?..yes they said.. but its 'different'... :sad1:..my thinkin is..when i fill out my personal info. both will ask for my email and my zip anyway.. :dontknow:
*sits back an waits for the groupies to show up..10...9...8..*
i think there already here Lendal
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Kohler, I provided a link, but it was removed. Oh well. As for your other accusations. No idea what you're talking about :dontknow:
FYI: I was banned for trolling, which wasn't legit. You CANNOT TROLL ON YOUR OWN THREAD, lol.
Thank you Lendal, nice to be back. I'm always good. I just want to have the name Mr. Controversy lol.
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dude, you really have alot of time on your hands.
have you considered volunteering?
in the time it took to compose that bit, you could have been feeding hungry people.
its what i plan to do once i retire.
:thumbsup:
Hay bro how long do you think it will be before this gets all blown out again and he gets suspended again? LOL
Rut ro I got to start posting more your starting to catch up. Can't let you get to hero before me. LOL :icon_rr:
And what exactly does posting mindlessly at a public forum to get a different forum member status net you, hmmm? ???
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dude, you really have alot of time on your hands.
have you considered volunteering?
in the time it took to compose that bit, you could have been feeding hungry people.
its what i plan to do once i retire.
:thumbsup:
Hay bro how long do you think it will be before this gets all blown out again and he gets suspended again? LOL
Rut ro I got to start posting more your starting to catch up. Can't let you get to hero before me. LOL :icon_rr:
And what exactly does posting mindlessly at a public forum to get a different forum member status net you, hmmm? ???
Jets it is a privet joke between me and Jlb it isn't to be taken out of cotext. Jlb knows what I am talking about he is a good friend. LOL
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No one ever edited any of your posts.
And here is your quote from your ticket
"I, like everybody else, have every right to post in the forum as long as it's tasteful and to be banned for stating my first ammendment right is stupid on your part.
Don't believe me? Push this ban after today and see which advertisers pull their ads."
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Woweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee I am new here and this guy dances on my last nerve.....
Just someone with nothing better to do. Poor lonesome soul. I heard eharmony was looking for a spokesperson.....
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Hears a Violin playing ever so softly in the background......
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;D * sees Kohler in the background playing that violin for him* :o lmao
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Kohler if anyone made a ticket, it wasn't me. No one edited my posts? That's b.s., because as soon as I posted the link that I was told I could post, the link was deleted. Blah blah blah. Here's alittle something to put in your pipe and smoke...
It's stated in the terms that one has to have a genuine interest in the offers they do... Duh, if one offer pays out $20, I believe that's enough to generate a GENUINE interest. Considering most of these offers pay Fusion Cash upwards around 3x that amount you would think you would push your advertisers to pay out and fulfil their end of the bargain while you take a stand for YOUR members in the process. Because if it weren't for us members, you wouldn't have what you have right now.
The truth is, Kohler, that there's other sites floating around like this, one in particular that will credit your account even before they receive credit from the advertiser, because they, too, know what it's like being screwed by the "process." Luck of the draw? Call it what you will. You're just a "middle man" and most middle men assume the position of doing whatever it takes to protect their integrity.
We spend our hard earned money just so you don't have to, but we're told to shut up and take it if we're wronged in the process and we speak up about it. That was the point of the "freedom of speech" thread I created. The one that most didn't realize that I was taking a stand for them. If it wasn't for these people filling out these hour long surveys, one after another after another after another for a .25, you can't tell me you like it, because I know it sucks entering the same info time after time, then fusion cash wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
Think of all the potential income you've lost, because you have jackholes roaming around to jump on someone who says, "is this site for real?" The response is generally, "yeah and if you don't like it, get out!" On other sites people are more encouraging to "newbies." Offer any kind of advice they have to offer to help the new kid out. Instead you have people taking the "granny at the produce stand" approach, saying anything they can to chase customers away so they can get the fresh fruits and veggies.
Fusioncash would have alot more if not for the way the staff and some of the other members act. That's a fact and you know it is. Plain and simple!!!
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:o ??? ???
*waiting queitly for the next....................................* :sad1: :angry7:
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Joe, are you kidding me?
The ticket is on your user name, from your IP -- unless you have someone else accessing your account using your name at the end of the posts. No one has ever told someone to "get out" of this site, again you are making posts to excite everyone for no reason. Point in case, you made an empty threat and are now denying it, because you have been called out on the forum. And FusionCash is doing fine the way it is currently running, we are one of the most successful sites of our kind on the internet, and will continue to be.
So please tell me, who accessed your account, made this long drawn out post in the same way that you type on the forum? And how would someone else know about what your post in the forum was, why you were banned and that we called you a troll? If you want I can post the entire ticket for everyone to read that is full of empty threats. Again, I am tired of dealing with your posts that do nothing to add to the forum, you are looking for a reaction -- and this is the last one you will be getting. Any other posts that I or the Admin consider trolling, you will be banned from the forum and never allowed back on. There are people who have used FusionCash since we opened and have never complained, and some people on the forum who have never complained. This is OUR bushiness, not yours, stop telling us how to run our business and your quips like "put that in your pipe and smoke it", calling us "Hitler" as well as countless other things are going to end right here, right now.
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;D and there He is Now !!! LMAO :angel12:
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This whole thread seems rather redundant, as the admin has already explained how this stuff works on multiple occasions as far as laws, rights, and what's fair.
"Thejoe2k8," must you really address your lack-of-attention issues on this forum, when there are hundreds of others on the internet who would welcome your controversial material?
EDIT Watch out guys, before you know it from what Kohler just stated he'll be denying ever starting this post. Keep at 'em.
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You can post what you want, as long as it is within our rules. I just have no tolerance for people who "troll" for no good reason, or people who lie when caught.
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This is pretty hilarious. Can't wait to see what joe comes up with next - hopefully something bannable!
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This is pretty hilarious. Can't wait to see what joe comes up with next - hopefully something bannable!
LOL I hear you an that one he is making a total (http://sp1.yt-thm-a01.yimg.com/image/25/m4/2962103244) of himself
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ROTFLMFAO!!!!
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Go ahead Admin. You know you want to........ (http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o160/the_todd_album/ban.gif) save us all the trouble of having to scroll over his post..........................
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The funny part is all of the doom and gloom prophesies, when we've been around longer than most reward sites (nearly 3 years) and have far more members than most (over a million). We also pay out more per member than most established reward sites, and we pay straight cash. That's why we keep going strong -- it's also why we get so many members from word of mouth and referral links.
And as for the allegations of nonlegitimate interest, the simple fact is that advertisers would ask us to remove their offers if they weren't making money. And they don't make money when too many people cancel. I cannot argue against SOME people failing to have a legitimate interest in signing up, but fortunately enough people play by the rules for us to keep on keepin' on. Advertisers understand that you get some bad apples with the bunch and are prepared to deal with them. It's a somewhat messy business but it can work out for everyone involved if people avoid getting greedy.
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I seen the pictures below and thought of a certain someone.
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Hull Chit you just made my day. Thank you I need a a good laugh after the day I had.
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well the so called joker.. had really achieved something in a positive way with me.. I could not sleep had ensomia.. I read his posts and before you know it I yawned and was so boring. I guess my head went on the keyboard cause went i got up my forhead had the keys imprinted on my face.. .. it was a really good sleep .. ty so much.. so if anyone is looking for an ensomia cure read his posts .. who needs expensive sleeping pills when yo uhave him around.. :)
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one more time yaaaaaaaaaawn boring.
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Why would I want to shut this site down when I enjoy your company Kohler and admin, lol. Whatever ticket you have from me is more than likely your or someone elses attempt to keep an issue open and ongoing. As for stating that it's from MY IP address, I know you're lying, because I have changed residence and internet providers since I was banned. Not only that, I had issues with my network and they've had to change my IP address to one that actually worked.
What I find even more idiotic by your post is the fact that you call ME the TROLL. Look up the definition of internet trolling. You and your brood are the ones "trolling" around. You're the one that trolls around to create a flame war and then threaten a ban if someone doesn't share your opinion or things don't go your way. FYI, I didn't call you Hitler or anyone else, other than Admin. My apologies to anyone that was offended by that btw. Maybe Castro would've been a better term. Get rid of anybody and everybody that doesn't go by the same order that you do. I was told to post the a link to my proof and I did just that. I posted pretty much the letter that was sent to me. Admin saw that and removed the link so nobody else could see it. That was my reference. Whether it be right or wrong, that was what was sent to me along with a lawsuit threat. Forgive me for trying to help.
You know something else? You post your rules and plan the demise of people who don't follow your rules and then don't go by them yourselves. They're contradicting within themselves. Don't say anything disrespectful about our advertisers unless you're mad. Why else would anyone say anything disrespectful?
It doesn't matter how long you've been around, three years or not. Not all good things last. One of the better sites? Yeah, maybe 4th best as far as offers and payouts go. Your reaction time towards resolving an issue regarding an offer that didn't credit is closer to last place than anyone. The account I had on here back about a year and a half ago it took me nearly three months and 18 verification emails to receive credit for one offer, only to have that cash expire a few days later. The issue I had with an offer not crediting on another site was credited two days later with only one verification email.
You've never chased anyone away? It's awful funny that it's typed in plain text, "if you don't like it go elsewhere." That is the most common reply to someone asking if the site is legit or not. I think everyone who's new to this has the right to ask.
I don't like it here, because everyone, with the exception to a few people, are jerks. So, I'll be going elsewhere as soon as I get my money. Until you give me my money I'll be right here. Ticking you off the best way I know how... By stating the truth. Soon as I'm paid, you'll never see me again.
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You have two accounts?
Section I.A.iv states: Users must not create more than one account per person, nor may they create more than one account per household.
Does not look good for the home team -- and yes you did send in a ticket, and you can deny it all you want but you did and it was full of empty threats. They knew you said you were an "internet broker" and you claimed to work with many of our advertisers and threatened to pull our offers if your forum ban of seven days was not lifted. I do not know what fairy tale world you are living in, but I come from a land called reality. We are not going to change or bend rules for anyone for any reason, and it will always be like that. So if you are going to complain about our rules, go somewhere else and whine we are not going to change what we do for anyone.
Two Facts for you, Joe.
Fact: You only have one IP logged on FusionCash. So no matter what you or your ISP told you -- you only have one IP, the same IP the ticket came from.
Fact: No one edited your post -- it would say Edited By: under your post and there is no way for any admin of the forum to go in and correct it. The only link removed from your posts was your attempt to lure our members over to your bare bones forum.
And where does it say "don't say anything bad unless your mad?" The rule states: Respect our advertisers
Do not discuss cancellation or post disparaging remarks. So do not talk bad about our advertisers PERIOD. Whether you are happy, sad, excited, or pissed off.. you can not do it. And if you do not get your money, since you broke a rule in the terms of service, and decide to troll the forums you will be swiftly taken care of, because you have made it obvious that is your intention.
So you have this misconstrued view of our rules and break another, and admit to it. Let us be honest, Joe. It seems the only one being dishonest is you.
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Here's a few cold hard facts for you, Kohler...
1) What don't you understand about, "My OLD account?" It says nowhere that you can't cancel an account and then open a new one a year or so later. Does it? Didn't think so.
2) My father, which according to other people on this site, makes me a professional, builds computers and installs services. Each internet provider assigns your system an IP address. Each provider has different addresses they're allowed to give out (much like cell phone carriers with different prefixes). If you change providers, your IP address changes, because that's how they keep up with problems with services and things of that nature. If a certain IP address isn't compatible then they keep assigning you one until your system accepts it.
3) At one time, before I stated the contradiction before, the rules stated that "You may not post disrespectful or disparaging remarks towards our advertisers, because they pay the bills. But you can post an honest opinion out of anger, because it's an emotion. It also used to say something towards the end about free speech as well, but that's been removed, too. Hmmm?
4) In my thread, A new website, that I posted after I was told I could post the link, it reads "link was removed by the admin."
5) If your IP tracking system is as good as you say it is; then how did my cousin, aunt, and uncle all cash out and receive payment for the same address on the same computer? This happened just a few weeks ago.
Should I keep going with the facts?
You won't break or bend the rules for anybody, but your clique. It's funny that those few are allowed to TROLL around and trash anyone with a difference of opinion or a question about this site and nothing be said to them. But the outsiders are trashed and I believe their offers are deliberately uncredited to get them out of here. Why do I think that? Even though it's stated that sometimes offers that are "Instant" offers don't post immediately. You falsly advertise on those offers that they are in FACT, instant. If someone mentions this FACT, they're jumped on and are more or less treated like idiots, because they don't know the meaning of Fusion's word "Instant." Is that being helpful? Spell it with me, N-O. Is this helping the Admin from going out and getting a real job? NO! Because with the clique chasing new customers away, they find a new and better alternative to this site. One that they're not treated like crap for posting an opinion. A site where their opinions are taken and if someone doesn't like it; they simply just don't say anything back. Why? Because it's an opinion and not worth flaming over. A place where, if they have a problem with an offer or something, the site owner takes it a step further and pm's them and discusses the problem and encourages them to keep at it. Sure, it's because they won't the money they get for the bounty, but at least they pretend to care about US, the CUSTOMER.
I'd be willing to bet that there's not near as many people using this site now as there were a year ago. Don't say there's more, because we both know that wouldn't be true, because internet use is down 43% from 5 years ago according to the Nightly News and it keeps dropping each year. And the way you and the clique treat people, this site will keep falling down the hole. Why make $30-$40 a month here when they can make $150-$200 a month elsewhere and have 15-20 new offers to dispose of everyday?
You can say I sent a ticket if you want to, because I know that I didn't send anything. You're stepping into stride when in fact you don't have a leg to stand on.
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You have completely lost touch with reality and I will no longer reply to you
thanks for the laugh though
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Agreed.
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Joe I do have to tell you that I do agree with the Administrator and Kohler. Joe I really do think that you do not live in reality.
Joe a while back I started a thread and a poll called Bring Back Manual Credit. This was a some what contraversial Thread. However Kohler and the Administator allowed this thread and poll. It still existsts today in the forum. Furtheremore the only time I got a warning was when I was posting the link to that thread and poll in every post in every part of the forums. That warning was just a warning to stop spamming the forums and threads. Infact the Administrator and Kohler were correct because that is exactly what I was doing. However at the same time my thread was never locked or edited. You may ask whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?????????????????? Well it is simple it is because that thread was indeed started to show a differance in oppinion not only between me and FC but it also allowed others to express there opinion about this same subject.
Joe I have had my differances of views with others as well on here. However I can tell you that Kohler and the Administrator respect me as well I respect them. the only advice I can give you is if you are going to make posts such as you have you need to back it up with real sustanable proof of your claims. If you do not then you will always be looked at as a fake.
Oh yah and by the way My offers credit with out much problem. So saying that you think that FC does not credit people with differance in oppinion is compleatly Faulse.