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What are your views on abortion? Is it black and white right or wrong? Are there certain situations that warrant it if you're against it? Should the woman always have the choice? What about the father involved?
I am just curious for different opinions and arguments on the subject. My beliefs are set but I'd like to read the discussion and reasons for what others have to say.
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If your beliefs are completely set in stone, what's the point of even discussing something like this? This is the stuff hurtful arguments are made of, it seems to me. Healthy debate is good; but debate to me implies an openness to the other side of the topic or issue. I have opinions on abortion, and while they're pretty firm, I wouldn't say that my mind is made up and that's it; my opinions on such issues have changed before as I grow as a person.
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I just like the discussion of it all. I like to hear other's opinions and reasonings for them. If nothing else, it allows me to strenghten my responses to arguments and better form my own ideas. I am open to hear what others have to say even though I am firm in my beliefs. This is a debate board so I was hoping for a healthy debate and find nothing wrong in that.
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I just like the discussion of it all. I like to hear other's opinions and reasonings for them. If nothing else, it allows me to strenghten my responses to arguments and better form my own ideas. I am open to hear what others have to say even though I am firm in my beliefs. This is a debate board so I was hoping for a healthy debate and find nothing wrong in that.
Nothing wrong in that at all. In that case, I would have to say abortion in this country is simply used incorrectly. It has become a method of birth control which it was never meant to be. Rather, it should only be used in cases where the mother's life is in danger or the child would likely not survive anyway, or in other extreme cases such as rape and incest. In those cases, it would not need to be up to the father; he wouldn't have to be involved. However, as it is now, I believe that the father should have some say - there have been cases of unwanted pregnancies in which the parents were separated, the woman did not want the child but the father did and was willing to raise the child on his own. In cases like that, the father should certainly have a say - after all, it does take two to tango, so to speak.
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Psalm 139:13-16
For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them.
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MH, I'd like to know your stance. Please share!
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Just as German medicine made the *bleep* holocaust possible, American medicine has created a unique American holocaust. Dr Robert Mendelsohn
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To each their own. I would not fight for a right to be taken away from any human being. Just because I believe in something does not and will not make me throw stones or take another persons rights away.
Abortion is NOT black and white. Just as humanity there is gray although most are color blind in the simple fact of being so self absorbed that they only think of themselves and not the WHOLE picture.
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If a woman decides she doesn't want to be a mother, she could have an abortion. If a man does not want to be a father, what can he do? Nothing. The man should be involved and have some say in the decision of an abortion.
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MH, I'd like to know your stance. Please share!
Actually, sdecaro558 pretty much said what I believe. I am very much against abortion unless the mother was raped, or the mother or child is in extreme danger. I know there are situations where the use of abortion is warranted, but I do not think it should be used to get rid of a problem, as I have heard some people say. I used to think it was a black and white decision, that it should never be used. But, my eyes have been opened to situations that definitely warrant it. However I do think it should be done early in the pregnancy, if it must be used. I despise the fact that young teen mothers use it to make their life simpler. In my opinion, if you are willing to have sex and put yourself in that situation, then you should take responsibility for your actions. If the mother will not be able to properly provide for the child, then adoption should be used. As for the father's role in the decision, I think he should only have a say if it is not a health factor to the mother and/or child to deliver the baby. I know it is the woman who must go trhough the pregnancy, but the baby is as much his as it is hers.
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Im not for or against abortion because there are soem instances where it is necessary to save the woman's life but i am against those who do it because they are not ready for kids or they dont have money to take care of kids.......hello did u not hear about protection?
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For myself, I am Pro-Life. For others, I am Pro-Choice. Who am I to judge you? I am not the Judge, Jury and Executioner. For those who believe in God - Your God gives you free will (to do either your will or his). For those who don't believe in God - What does it matter anyway what "He" thinks? There are so many things to take into concideration. But No-one has the right to force their beliefs onto others.
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I think no one should decide should decide for a woman what to do with her body. I know there's a fetus in the women but if she dies the fetus will to. I think after the child is born she no longer could do anything but when its inside her she has the right to decide what she wants to do with it. I had an abortion id feel ashame I didn't want it i didn't get rapped i did not want to give it to addoption i didn't want it growing in me . i never want to be a parent i made a mistake and id think is fair if i pay for it the rest of my life.
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I believe that it all depends on the circumstances. If the mother is raped, or in danger, then yes. But if it is just because the mother was careless and didn't use protection, then no, they should consider adoption if they do not want/ are unable to care for a baby. There are many couples out there dying to have a child.
Here is a question to think about..
Is it ok to have an abortion if you know that the child will be born with a disability (mentally, or physically)?
(I was just reading a book about this subject earlier (Handle with Care by Jodi Picoult)
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grr im sooooo freakin bored isnt anything to do haha
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I dont believe in abortion. With our last baby the dr told my wife to have one or she might die. My wife told the Dr that if she lived she lived and if she died she would die having the baby. I support her in this
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i have to say that i believe in choice. If you don't want the child and don't feel you are ready for it, then don't have it. Why bring a child into the world when you can't support it or even put it through the adoption process. I don't believe that baby is living until it is out of the mother's stomach.
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not for me ever :angry7:
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i have to say that i believe in choice. If you don't want the child and don't feel you are ready for it, then don't have it. Why bring a child into the world when you can't support it or even put it through the adoption process. I don't believe that baby is living until it is out of the mother's stomach.
How is a baby not living till it is born? It spends 9 months in there growing, but it is still alive. It kicks and punches and even has hiccups while still in the womb. It has a heartbeat when it is 5 weeks old. Things that are not alive do not have heartbeats.
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I agree with MrsBlueSmith. Pro-life for myself but Pro-choice for everyone else. There are always circumstances that will warrant it (i.e. danger to the mother's life) so I can't see making it illegal. Rape I'm actually on the fence about, I would never tell a woman that she would have to have the baby but for myself.....I think that I probably would have the baby (as long as I could be sure that I would never have to see the "sperm donor" again). As a form of birth control I find it a poor choice but again because of other potential circumstances I am not willing to support legislation to make it illegal.
I read Handle with Care. It gave me a lot to think about and made me question whether or not I would abort a baby that had a disability. I came to the conclusion that it would depend on the quality of life. With osteogenesis imperfecta as in the book I would be talking to people that had it or to families that had loved ones with it as I have never broken a bone and have no frame of reference for what it would be like to break bones hundreds of times in the course of my life. I do not think that I would abort however, I think that I would try to minimize broken bones and there are plenty of things to do without playing football or something equally dangerous to someone with OI. Quality of life I wouldn't necessarily consider to be horrendous. With something like Tay-Sachs which is almost always fatal (infantile and juvenile onset fatal, adult onset severely limiting) with the child being okay for the first 6 months or so and then dying a slow, scary (going blind, deaf etc as their bodies deteriorate) death over the course of the next few years....I could not argue for quality of life in this case and would choose to abort.
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it's wrong, your killing a innocent baby who did nothing wrong. once the egg and sperm get together, a life is formed.
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Mine are it's up to the person.
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I don't think there is much point to a topic like this. It is clear that both sides know both arguments in detail already. People are entitles to their opinions, and with a topic like this, nothing will get accomplished because both sides are so opinionated.
For instance, I do not support abortion decisions in most examples, and there is little chance of someone changing my view on it. I completely understand why someone would feel differently than I do on this, but I don't think any argument will change their view either, even if I said that more abortions are performed per years than there were soldier casualties in BOTH World Wars combined (which is a fact BTW).
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I'm completely for it. I don't see why people see getting rid of a fetus is considered killing when there isn't even a heart. A fetus isn't alive til about the 23rd week, so if it's before it's fine. Most doctors won't perform abortions when the fetus is that old anyways. It should always be the woman's choice. Even if there is a father, it shouldn't be up to him. He can have a say but the woman should have the last word because the fetus is inside of her not him.
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In God's eyes, abortion is murder, for life begins in he womb.
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In God's eyes, abortion is murder, for life begins in he womb.
So it's easy to conclude miscarriages are your god's way of saying "Sometime's it's okay!" then.
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Perhaps, then, when a woman dies giving birth to a child, the infant should then be tried with manslaughter.
Honestly, the "abortion is murder" viewpoint makes me queasy when you consider the fact that a fetus until birth depends upon a mother's body (as in utilizing the nutrients and etc a woman takes in) for its development. To deny a woman a choice as to whether or not they allow something that could be considered akin to a parasite grow inside her until it breaks free a la Alien is wrong on all levels. Everyone is concerned with the fetus's right to life and they seem to forget the woman's.
For your consideration: http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm
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Honestly, the "abortion is murder" viewpoint makes me queasy when you consider the fact that a fetus until birth depends upon a mother's body (as in utilizing the nutrients and etc a woman takes in) for its development. To deny a woman a choice as to whether or not they allow something that could be considered akin to a parasite grow inside her until it breaks free a la Alien is wrong on all levels. Everyone is concerned with the fetus's right to life and they seem to forget the woman's.
Exactly. The narrow-minded pro-lifer's always think the small batch of cells is ultimately this little innocent angel and that the pregnant woman is the spawn of evil for even thinking of doing such a thing. People need to understand that everyone is pro-life. But they can also be pro-choice ontop of that. The problem is the variables within that woman's life that cause her to make such a choice. Her decision should be met with reason and understanding of her situation, not stupid hostility and naive assumptions about the choice she will make.
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Honestly, the "abortion is murder" viewpoint makes me queasy when you consider the fact that a fetus until birth depends upon a mother's body (as in utilizing the nutrients and etc a woman takes in) for its development. To deny a woman a choice as to whether or not they allow something that could be considered akin to a parasite grow inside her until it breaks free a la Alien is wrong on all levels. Everyone is concerned with the fetus's right to life and they seem to forget the woman's.
Exactly. The narrow-minded pro-lifer's always think the small batch of cells is ultimately this little innocent angel and that the pregnant woman is the spawn of evil for even thinking of doing such a thing. People need to understand that everyone is pro-life. But they can also be pro-choice ontop of that. The problem is the variables within that woman's life that cause her to make such a choice. Her decision should be met with reason and understanding of her situation, not stupid hostility and naive assumptions about the choice she will make.
I'd even go a step further and say that it is no one's business except for the individual woman, her doctor, and loosely her partner's.
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I'am against abortion. :angry7:
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This is one of those topics where you simply read the title and say "oh no, here we go". Abortion is certainly a hot button topic and usually a person is very much for or very much against it. I'm not in either camp. I say it depends on the situation. If a 12 year old girls is raped by a prison convict and becomes pregnant, then termination could save the girl a lot of physical and mental torture. So let it be. If, on the other hand, a woman uses abortion as a form of contraceptive, i.e. she comes pregnant due to her own lack of fortitude in taking precautionary measures, then I am against it totally. A life is certainly not something to be played with and I'm against ending it unless the circumstances are extreme. But no rule is 100% concrete. As with most things in life, flexibility and tolerance are the key.
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What are your views on abortion? Is it black and white right or wrong? Are there certain situations that warrant it if you're against it? Should the woman always have the choice? What about the father involved?
I am just curious for different opinions and arguments on the subject. My beliefs are set but I'd like to read the discussion and reasons for what others have to say.
Ready... GO!
its wrong. for 1 minute happiness it is not good to spoil ones health and also killing an innosent baby.
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ABORTION IS MURDER----END OF SUBJECT !!! :star: :star:
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ABORTION IS MURDER----END OF SUBJECT
We've got ourselves a philosopher here.
I'd even go a step further and say that it is no one's business except for the individual woman, her doctor, and loosely her partner's.
Exactly.
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What are your views on abortion? Is it black and white right or wrong? Are there certain situations that warrant it if you're against it? Should the woman always have the choice? What about the father involved?
I am just curious for different opinions and arguments on the subject. My beliefs are set but I'd like to read the discussion and reasons for what others have to say.
Ready... GO!
If your mom had aborted you, you would not be asking.
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Is killing a another human being wrong? If something has a breathe of air in it, it is alive. We have no right to take another life no matter the situation. There are many options before abortions. The methods they use are very sicking.
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Definitely up to the individual with the baby.... :thumbsup:
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I'm not a fan of abortions but I had 2 done...I'm sorry for that my babies,I'll see you one day.
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What are your views on abortion? Is it black and white right or wrong? Are there certain situations that warrant it if you're against it? Should the woman always have the choice? What about the father involved?
I am just curious for different opinions and arguments on the subject. My beliefs are set but I'd like to read the discussion and reasons for what others have to say.
Ready... GO!
I do not agree with abortion. I believe that the the fetus is alive from the moment of conception. I have seen the videos of the D& C and depending on the age of the fetus, it can feel everything as it is being pulled apart, limb by limb. I do understand that people have their reasons, like rape victims, but that fetus does not have a choice and I do not think we should get to decide who lives or dies. I do not agree with the death penalty either. Murderers should have to pay for thier crimes. If we kill them, then ow will they feel remorse for thier crimes.
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I think personally, that if two people willingly have sex, they both want to do it and there is no pressure and they end up pregnant then an abortion is completely unacceptable. Now on the other hand if a girl gets raped and cannot mentally or physically handle having and caring, or giving the baby up for adoption then an abortion, in my opinion is...Alright, if you will.
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I think that it is wrong. However, there are certain situations where it is warranted. Personally, I don't think that it should be used as a form of birth control. I think that if someones life is at risk because of a pregnancy, then yes they should have an abortion. If someone is going to have an abortion because they are not ready for a child, it should not be allowed. They should have taken the right precautions to prevent the pregnancy.
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It's not something that i personally would ever do. I'm torn about the issue. If a woman is raped, I think she should be able to terminate that pregnancy. A big part of me wants to feel that women should be able to do what they want with their bodies, but on the other hand.... that's killing a baby. Not a terrorist, or murderer, or rapist. A baby.
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I dont believe in abortion. With our last baby the dr told my wife to have one or she might die. My wife told the Dr that if she lived she lived and if she died she would die having the baby. I support her in this
UPDATE...... Willie's Wife is dead. :'(
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I'm pro abortion.
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What seems simple to one person may be quite difficult for someone else. I'm against it myself, except if a woman is raped or molested. However, if two people decide to have sex, then as with anything else there are precautions that should be taken to avoid any unwanted pregnancies. If neither side is practicing safe sex and they both know the risks and consequences, then in my mind the decision has already been made. I also don't think that the woman should have the final say so if and only if the man wants the child and is willing to take all of the neccessary actions to support the child and help the woman even if they choose not to stay together.
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I also don't think that the woman should have the final say so if and only if the man wants the child and is willing to take all of the neccessary actions to support the child and help the woman even if they choose not to stay together.
Then the man should be able to carry the child for the nine months it takes for it to develop. He's not carrying the child; he's just the sperm donor. "If and only if"? Since when is a man's wants more important than the person who is doing all the work? Being pregnant is hard work: I know from experience.
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Abortion is reasonable if the mother's life is in danger. Otherwise, I'm against it. People should support pregnant women more, and babies should be viewed as blessings rather than "mistakes". Pregnancy centers often have alternatives available for pregnant women.
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lol i did a school project on abortion lol do know what grade i got or anything lol :'(
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I totally agree, however, it takes two to create a life. Why is it that a woman can say ok I don't want this child so I'm aborting it? That's not fair to a man in position to be a father and who desires to be a real father (lord knows there aren't many around anymore)! If a woman is worried about how looks and all the symptoms of being pregnant, then both parties should use protection to avoid the situation. There's so much birth control in the world that this shouldn't even be a major issue anymore because people are going to have sex so protect yourself! Not just from pregnancy but all of the std's lurking around out here!
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i personally could not abort a child of mine under normal circumstances. I have a child thou so if it was a medical neccesity where i have to choose between me and my child. i would stay because of my other child. But If that was the case I would also take precausions so that I wouldnt have more children in the future.
I do believe in abortion if a woman was raped or if its medically nessecary. I dont believe in abortion just because you dont want the baby.
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I think it is up to the woman it is not my place to say yes or no..There are situations it is necessary..And it is a personal choice..So thats where I stand!!
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Three words: abortion is murder. period
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:BangHead: you no what i belive that every situation is differnt i couldnt see myself doing it but NEVER SAY NEVER some people are in situation that no one no are understans only that person because there the ones going through it so nobody can juge a person untill they've walked it i think its up to the person in that situation i couldnt see myself holding a baby in my belly for 9months to give it to people i dont no its to many kids in the world being beaten molested and more i couldnt see putting my child through that putting them from home to home are putting them with people who love each other today and divorce tommrow nope if i cant raise my child i dont think i wont anyone raising my child and thats that and i really dont care about no ones opinion. :angry7:
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i dont think people will ever come to an agreement on whether it should be legalized or not.
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I don't think it's right to have a live birth abortion under any circumstance. If it's already out, at least give it up for adoption. Other than that I think it's a personal choice. :binkybaby:
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I think if you are going to have sex without a condom and you get pregnant, it is you and your partners fault and you should not have an abortion. However, if you are raped or something and get pregnant, then I could understand getting an abortion.
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AS FOR ME..IT A BIG OOO NO NO! JUST BECAUSE.. :binkybaby: :binkybaby:
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Three words: abortion is murder. period
It is? Oh man. What state can you go to prison for abortion? And now, which state can you go to prison for murder?
You say that because you are CERTAIN you are right?
Well.... Jesus never rose from the dead. He wasn't born magically, and he wasn't the son of god. He was a man. Born to a *bleep* that REALLY kept to her story. Does that make you upset? Well... saying asinine things such as "Abortion is Murder" upsets rational thinkers.
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i dont think people will ever come to an agreement on whether it should be legalized or not.
Ummm it IS legal.
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I don't think it's right to have a live birth abortion under any circumstance. If it's already out, at least give it up for adoption. Other than that I think it's a personal choice. :binkybaby:
What???? Oh no. Are they telling you in Sunday school now that we kill babies right out of the womb? What in the blue hell is a live birth abortion? Oh man.
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What are your views on abortion? Is it black and white right or wrong? Are there certain situations that warrant it if you're against it? Should the woman always have the choice? What about the father involved?
I am just curious for different opinions and arguments on the subject. My beliefs are set but I'd like to read the discussion and reasons for what others have to say.
Ready... GO!
I know alot a girls who have done it I never said to them that it was wrong who am I God