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If you're a Christian, you believe that the Bible says, marriage is between a man and woman (or something like that). Now, I know most Christians are not fully okay with homosexuality (doesn't mean they publicly stand against it).
But what about you, if you're a Christian. How do you feel about homosexuality. Be honest. Do you think it's wrong according to the Bible (I'm not quoting!) or according to yourself? And WHY do you feel that way?
If you are not a Christian and do not believe in the Bible but are from a cultural background that doesn't accept most ways of living, how do you feel about homosexuality?
Everyone else can state their feelings on the matter but PLEASE state if you're a Christian or not, or if you're from a strict cultural background.
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I don't subscribe to any religion. I don't care what someone else does in the privacy of their own bedroom. I have friends and relatives who are homosexual and it doesn't bother me one but. They are who they are and I still love them.
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mareg is bewen a man and wimen not bewen the same sex the lord did not dinse nem to live with other men sexually.
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I don't subscribe to any religion. I don't care what someone else does in the privacy of their own bedroom. I have friends and relatives who are homosexual and it doesn't bother me one but. They are who they are and I still love them.
Can I ask you this? You said you have friends and family who are homosexual which makes them who they are, which is different from what you are. My question: do you sometimes wish they were not who they are--that they were not homosexual?
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I am a Christian but quite liberal. I myself wouldn't choose a homosexual lifestyle but don't think that it is wrong for two people of the same sex being in love with each other. I think that one of the main precepts of the bible is love. I am not a bible analyst but I don't believe that the bible condones marriage between same sex couples. But I think that the Government should recognize the bond between two people regardless of their sex so that they may utilize the same benefits offered to married couples.
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I am a Christian, I have studied Scripture, and I see nothing wrong with it. I wouldn't choose it for myself, but then again, I'm not attracted to members of the same sex. Love between two people of the same gender is not sinful in my opinion.
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I'm an atheist and I believe we all have the right to do what we want with our bodies as long as you don't hurt others (*unless with consent*). Homosexuality is definitely acceptable. I do not understand how people can live in America and claim they want "god given freedom" and yet restrict their beliefs so much that they are no longer free. A person can make a choice to help others, protect the environment, chose a love partner, pick a religion. All of these are choices. I chose to treat others with respect as well as their beliefs even if they are different. Even if you are religious you have a choice as to what message you take from your religions teachings. You do not have to chose all or none that is the great thing about being human.
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I don't subscribe to any religion. I don't care what someone else does in the privacy of their own bedroom. I have friends and relatives who are homosexual and it doesn't bother me one but. They are who they are and I still love them.
Ditto ! :)
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I don't subscribe to any religion. I don't care what someone else does in the privacy of their own bedroom. I have friends and relatives who are homosexual and it doesn't bother me one but. They are who they are and I still love them.
Can I ask you this? You said you have friends and family who are homosexual which makes them who they are, which is different from what you are. My question: do you sometimes wish they were not who they are--that they were not homosexual?
It doesn't matter to me one bit. That's like asking do I wish they didn't have brown eyes. If they are homosexual who cares I certainly don't. I know them as the people they are. Heck I didn't even know a couple of my cousins were homosexual until a few years ago because the thought never crossed my mind because I grew up knowing them as the people they are not who they have sex with. These are older cousins.
Sexuality is only one small aspect of our lives. It doesn't matter who they chose to love they are the same people regardless of their sexual preference. Their intelligence, humor, personality, who they are at their core level is the same no matter what their sexual preference is.
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I am a Christian, but this issue has always stumped me... From a religious aspect, I tend to look at the Bible as a guide for our lives so that we as humans can live happy, healthy lives. Many of the ideas in the Bible that may have been important for ancient cultures may no longer be relevant for today's world. Take, for example, the Jewish food laws (which BTW are in the books of Leviticus and Deuteronomy, which is the same place that first mentions how it is wrong for a man to sleep with another man). When the food laws were first established, we humans had many problems from food-born illnesses. Lack of refrigeration, sanitation, and knowledge about how to properly prepare and cook foods all caused to people being sick and even dying from what they ate. The food laws were therefore a primitive attempt to determine how to properly prepare and cook foods so as to limit the food problems that afflicted these people. Instead of trying to determine what temperature to properly cook and thereby killing the worm causing trichinosis, it was just easier to proscribe the consumption of pork. Instead of determining proper sanitation and washing techniques to decrease the problems of cross-contamination, it was just found that forbidding the mixing of utensils for meat and dairy would cut down on this problem. If looked at from this perspective, then the sex laws of the old testament (homosexuality, bestiality, promiscuity, etc.) were an attempt to regulate sexual health so as to prevent (or at least limit) sexually transmitted diseases. Take, for example, the modern example of HIV/AIDS. It is thought that the disease was first introduced into our species when someone had sex with some monkey (*bleep*), and was eventually transmitted to others via promiscuity as well as homosexuality (the latter being that there is more possibility of rippage of the colorectal lining causing direct access for the virus to enter the bloodstream). Yet today we have access to contraceptives as well as screening / testing for most known STDs which can help decrease the spread of STDs. And the main issue with the spread of STDs has always been the problem of promiscuity in our culture. However there never seems to be as loud of a cry against promiscuity (at least among the general public) as there is against homosexuality. From a religious perspective, I can understand how the Church can see all of these practices as being wrong, and that the best way (from a sexual health perspective) to engage in sex is from the context of marriage.
However, because we don't live in a theocracy where we are rules by Biblical laws, our laws must account for people that want to live free of these laws. Since homosexuality really becomes an issue in sexual health if it also includes promiscuity, then I think what would be best would be for a way to allow it it a more monogamous manner (I know, "monogamy" really means a marriage between one couple, but I can't think of the appropriate word). As for how the government should handle this, I therefore think there should be a way to provide the same benefits to homosexual couples as with married couples (to encourage stable couples). I can understand that the term "marriage" may be held with higher esteem in religious circles, so I'd rather the laws would allow for "civil unions" of which "marriage" is just just one means by which the government can recognize a "civil union" between a couple.
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I read the bible and draw my own opinion. the bible was written before homsexuality was out in the open. there might have been people during the age of christ that felt the same way homsexuals feel today.
so as times change can we really say that god and jesus are against homsexuality. can we really know what they are thinking?
i have a friend who is gay and i have no problems with that
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I am a christian and I believe there is nothing wrong with being a homosexual. My best friend in High School was homosexual and he was the best. We always had a lot of fun together. The world has changed since man wrote the bible based on their beliefs. I say get over it, get past it and move on and stop judging other people.
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I am a Christian, but this issue has always stumped me... From a religious aspect, I tend to look at the Bible as a guide for our lives so that we as humans can live happy, healthy lives. Many of the ideas in the Bible that may have been important for ancient cultures may no longer be relevant for today's world. Take, for example, the Jewish food laws (which BTW are in the books of Leviticus and Deuteronomy, which is the same place that first mentions how it is wrong for a man to sleep with another man). When the food laws were first established, we humans had many problems from food-born illnesses. Lack of refrigeration, sanitation, and knowledge about how to properly prepare and cook foods all caused to people being sick and even dying from what they ate. The food laws were therefore a primitive attempt to determine how to properly prepare and cook foods so as to limit the food problems that afflicted these people. Instead of trying to determine what temperature to properly cook and thereby killing the worm causing trichinosis, it was just easier to proscribe the consumption of pork. Instead of determining proper sanitation and washing techniques to decrease the problems of cross-contamination, it was just found that forbidding the mixing of utensils for meat and dairy would cut down on this problem. If looked at from this perspective, then the sex laws of the old testament (homosexuality, bestiality, promiscuity, etc.) were an attempt to regulate sexual health so as to prevent (or at least limit) sexually transmitted diseases. Take, for example, the modern example of HIV/AIDS. It is thought that the disease was first introduced into our species when someone had sex with some monkey (*bleep*), and was eventually transmitted to others via promiscuity as well as homosexuality (the latter being that there is more possibility of rippage of the colorectal lining causing direct access for the virus to enter the bloodstream). Yet today we have access to contraceptives as well as screening / testing for most known STDs which can help decrease the spread of STDs. And the main issue with the spread of STDs has always been the problem of promiscuity in our culture. However there never seems to be as loud of a cry against promiscuity (at least among the general public) as there is against homosexuality. From a religious perspective, I can understand how the Church can see all of these practices as being wrong, and that the best way (from a sexual health perspective) to engage in sex is from the context of marriage.
However, because we don't live in a theocracy where we are rules by Biblical laws, our laws must account for people that want to live free of these laws. Since homosexuality really becomes an issue in sexual health if it also includes promiscuity, then I think what would be best would be for a way to allow it it a more monogamous manner (I know, "monogamy" really means a marriage between one couple, but I can't think of the appropriate word). As for how the government should handle this, I therefore think there should be a way to provide the same benefits to homosexual couples as with married couples (to encourage stable couples). I can understand that the term "marriage" may be held with higher esteem in religious circles, so I'd rather the laws would allow for "civil unions" of which "marriage" is just just one means by which the government can recognize a "civil union" between a couple.
I really like your very thorough response, and I agree with you all the way.
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It is a sin and a sickness.
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I am an agnostic, raised Christian, and I have never had a problem with homosexuals. I've always thought that sexuality isn't as important as being a good person. There are so many people who hate homosexuals and still call themselves Christians, I'm sorry, but those people are false Christians. Hatred does not belong in religion.
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I am an agnostic, raised Christian, and I have never had a problem with homosexuals. I've always thought that sexuality isn't as important as being a good person. There are so many people who hate homosexuals and still call themselves Christians, I'm sorry, but those people are false Christians. Hatred does not belong in religion.
I agree, although to play Devil's advocate (or rather, the Christian's advocate as the case may be) most would say they love the person but hate the sin. To the Christian, they are being loving in that they fear a place in hell for the sinner who doesn't reform his/her ways. They see homosexuality as a sin that prevents a person from being a "good person" and getting into heaven. The problem is that because this is such a personal issue and a person's sexual orientation is, for the most part, inseparable from the person, targeting the sin feels like they are targeting the person too. It's the same issue that I have with most organized religion... Most will say that the only way to salvation is by believing in their tenants. A person's religious preference becomes a very intimate part of that person -- their core beliefs and values -- and so having someone else question (or even denounce) that religion actually feels like a personal attack, even though the other person may actually think they are showing love by showing the "true" path to salvation.
I think that laws should be based on some moral standard (otherwise, why even have laws), however I think that it should be based on how it effects the quality of life in this world for the country's citizens. Our country values many freedoms, esp. religious freedom even though some may think that believing in the wrong religion may be harmful to a person's soul. Thus as long as a person's free choice doesn't adversely effect themselves or others (in the here and now), I think they should be allowed that freedom. If a person chooses to love another person of the same sex, it isn't causing any harm to anyone. Therefore the state should allow this activity. Additionally, if the state is providing some benefit to a couple for living together and creating a stable household, then it should be provided to all couples in that situation while remaining blind to the person's sexual orientation.
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I am pagan i believe u are who u are not to mention not EVERYONE is going to like your views or beliefs Who really cares it has no effect on my life to each their own
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I am an agnostic, raised Christian, and I have never had a problem with homosexuals. I've always thought that sexuality isn't as important as being a good person. There are so many people who hate homosexuals and still call themselves Christians, I'm sorry, but those people are false Christians. Hatred does not belong in religion.
I agree, although to play Devil's advocate (or rather, the Christian's advocate as the case may be) most would say they love the person but hate the sin. To the Christian, they are being loving in that they fear a place in hell for the sinner who doesn't reform his/her ways. They see homosexuality as a sin that prevents a person from being a "good person" and getting into heaven. The problem is that because this is such a personal issue and a person's sexual orientation is, for the most part, inseparable from the person, targeting the sin feels like they are targeting the person too. It's the same issue that I have with most organized religion... Most will say that the only way to salvation is by believing in their tenants. A person's religious preference becomes a very intimate part of that person -- their core beliefs and values -- and so having someone else question (or even denounce) that religion actually feels like a personal attack, even though the other person may actually think they are showing love by showing the "true" path to salvation.
I think that laws should be based on some moral standard (otherwise, why even have laws), however I think that it should be based on how it effects the quality of life in this world for the country's citizens. Our country values many freedoms, esp. religious freedom even though some may think that believing in the wrong religion may be harmful to a person's soul. Thus as long as a person's free choice doesn't adversely effect themselves or others (in the here and now), I think they should be allowed that freedom. If a person chooses to love another person of the same sex, it isn't causing any harm to anyone. Therefore the state should allow this activity. Additionally, if the state is providing some benefit to a couple for living together and creating a stable household, then it should be provided to all couples in that situation while remaining blind to the person's sexual orientation.
Another really thoughtful response in a thread that could easily turn very negative. Good stuff! :)
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Live and let live just as long as they don't come on to me. In that case murder should be legal for 5 minutes immediately afterward.
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I'm not Christian. I think everyone deserves to be happy. It's a natural right. The right to the pursuit of happiness. If marriage makes someone happy, they should be allowed to get married. It's not right to tell homosexuals they can't do anything because of their sexual orientation. They're people too! They're just as good as anyone else.
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I feel that ones sexuality is their business.
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There is a mix of religions in my family. I got the "Your going to Hell" side from a Fundamental Protestant Grandmother. Everyone else in the family believes in a god, though most don't go to church. I'm an atheist. I don't believe in any gods.
I do believe in equality and basic human rights. I have no problem with gay people and I think they should be able to marry, adopt children etc. I'm also the only one in the family to feel that way. I don't think that's a coincidence. ;)
You have to hate way too many groups of people to be a christian. I just don't have that kind of hate in me.
As long as people aren't hurting others, Live and Let Live. :)
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Well you ask the question on how do I really feel about homosexuality? Look I see it like this only God is the judge on that an as of reading the bible back in the bible days it tells me that God is totally against it and that he destroyed to cities in the bible that was during these thing's if God intended for two men and two women to do thing's like this then he wouldn't have destroyed those cities when they were doing it, and also I believe it would have been mention in the bible by God that is ok to to have Adam and Steve, Sally and Lucy, and not Adam and Eve. So as of knowing how God feel for this to be happening now I know that he is totally disgusted with this going on in our world today so God is still the same and if he said it back then from the bible then it is the same now that he is totally against it now and that just how it is no matter how people try to change it, but don't get this twisted God still love these people that are doing these act he just don't like what they're doing.
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God created Adam and Eve NOT Adam and Steve..LOL
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I publically stand against homosexuality. It is an abomination to mankind. We would have all been made the same sex or asexual if that were meant to be like that.
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I am a Christian, but this issue has always stumped me... From a religious aspect, I tend to look at the Bible as a guide for our lives so that we as humans can live happy, healthy lives. Many of the ideas in the Bible that may have been important for ancient cultures may no longer be relevant for today's world. Take, for example, the Jewish food laws (which BTW are in the books of Leviticus and Deuteronomy, which is the same place that first mentions how it is wrong for a man to sleep with another man). When the food laws were first established, we humans had many problems from food-born illnesses. Lack of refrigeration, sanitation, and knowledge about how to properly prepare and cook foods all caused to people being sick and even dying from what they ate. The food laws were therefore a primitive attempt to determine how to properly prepare and cook foods so as to limit the food problems that afflicted these people. Instead of trying to determine what temperature to properly cook and thereby killing the worm causing trichinosis, it was just easier to proscribe the consumption of pork. Instead of determining proper sanitation and washing techniques to decrease the problems of cross-contamination, it was just found that forbidding the mixing of utensils for meat and dairy would cut down on this problem. If looked at from this perspective, then the sex laws of the old testament (homosexuality, bestiality, promiscuity, etc.) were an attempt to regulate sexual health so as to prevent (or at least limit) sexually transmitted diseases. Take, for example, the modern example of HIV/AIDS. It is thought that the disease was first introduced into our species when someone had sex with some monkey (*bleep*), and was eventually transmitted to others via promiscuity as well as homosexuality (the latter being that there is more possibility of rippage of the colorectal lining causing direct access for the virus to enter the bloodstream). Yet today we have access to contraceptives as well as screening / testing for most known STDs which can help decrease the spread of STDs. And the main issue with the spread of STDs has always been the problem of promiscuity in our culture. However there never seems to be as loud of a cry against promiscuity (at least among the general public) as there is against homosexuality. From a religious perspective, I can understand how the Church can see all of these practices as being wrong, and that the best way (from a sexual health perspective) to engage in sex is from the context of marriage.
However, because we don't live in a theocracy where we are rules by Biblical laws, our laws must account for people that want to live free of these laws. Since homosexuality really becomes an issue in sexual health if it also includes promiscuity, then I think what would be best would be for a way to allow it it a more monogamous manner (I know, "monogamy" really means a marriage between one couple, but I can't think of the appropriate word). As for how the government should handle this, I therefore think there should be a way to provide the same benefits to homosexual couples as with married couples (to encourage stable couples). I can understand that the term "marriage" may be held with higher esteem in religious circles, so I'd rather the laws would allow for "civil unions" of which "marriage" is just just one means by which the government can recognize a "civil union" between a couple.
i totally agree with you...
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It's not right but most people always stress that but sin is sin.
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It's really a shame that homosexuals are treated like second-class citizens because of who they are. Keep in mind Matthew Shepard's story. It's a painful reminder of someone who wasn't accepted for who he was and was brutally murdered because of it. Everyone should be more accepting.
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There are so many people who hate homosexuals and still call themselves Christians, I'm sorry, but those people are false Christians. Hatred does not belong in religion.
AGREED
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At the beginning God created Adam and Eve. I believe Adam is male and Eve is female. Then He said multiply ;D ......Too bad 2 Adams can't multiply or 2 Eves can't multiply. :BangHead:
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You can't choose who you love... no matter what there gender is.
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I am not against with the homosexual for as long as they abide the rule of laws.
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I would prefer not to know anyones sexual preference. As long as some one isn't a preditor and doesn't hurt someone I don't care one way or the other. I don't think that answers your question about the Bible. Sorry about that. If I believed whole heartedly everything the Bible says I would be afraid to move.
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I don't really care what they do, It's not for me, but I'm not one who judge other.
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I am a Christian and I beleive it is wrong. God don't make no mistake, if he wanted men to be with men he would have made everyone a man or everyone a woman. God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. I beleive that with my whole heart, but I cannot judge anyone, only God will.
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The Bible expressly calls homosexuality an abomination. Yes, I'm a Christian Minister and do not believe we can go against God's law and not expect the consequences for any sin identified between it's pages. For the person that said it was only in the Old Testament and things/times change.....now it's okay, is sadly mistaken. The New Testament speaks of homosexuality (negatively) also, and God is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Also, those of you garnering the "hate" issue to those who take a stand against it, are mistaken. God said right in His Word that He hated the sin of homosexuality Himself. However, He loved humanity enough to die for their sins, and now puts a choice for everyone to accept that gift of forgiveness, and eternal life in the next life. Just because we as Christians do not approve of the sin, does not mean we hate the people involved in it. However, we can't voice a double standard to say it's okay, and then try to take a Biblical stand. That's confusion, as the Word of God so clearly speaks against it.
I cannot "twist" the Bible to make it fit a sin that is clearly forbidden between it's pages. If God is against it....then so am I. That won't change.....ever If you are a true Christian, then you don't pick and choose what you want out of God's Word, to make those who sin feel better.........it doesn't work like that. We as Christians are to reach out to a lost world, but not to condone or be partakers in the sinner's sin. We are to keep ourselves unspotted from the world and it's sin as much as is within us with God's Spirit working through us. Our own hearts deep down tells us what is right and wrong without even reading it in the Bible.
You may say that I'm judging this lifestyle, but actually the Word of God has already judged it, and I stand on the Word of God and live my life by it.
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I was raised Christian, but am now somewhere between agnsotic and unitarian universalist. I think most people have the entirely wrong approach to religion. It isn't about being right in every possible way or having faith in some invisible being. It is about love and being the best person you can for yourself and others.
As far as homosexuality, I find it apalling that God is so often used to create and justify hate and violence towards and group.
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I do not agree with homosexuality. I do NOT feel hatred towards people who are homosexual in any way, I even have a homosexual friend. But I do not agree with the practice. I am Christian, and I believe that we are to treat EVERYONE the same, and I truly strive to do just that. But God has commanded that marriage is between a man and a woman only, and that is all. Marriage is a very sacred thing, and it should only be between a man and a woman. "Hate the sin, love the sinner". It is not our job to judge these people to be bad people, but we can hold true to our beliefs.
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I was raised Christian, but am now somewhere between agnsotic and unitarian universalist. I think most people have the entirely wrong approach to religion. It isn't about being right in every possible way or having faith in some invisible being. It is about love and being the best person you can for yourself and others.
As far as homosexuality, I find it apalling that God is so often used to create and justify hate and violence towards and group.
Again....you have "hate" and "violence" mixed up. I do not "appreciate" the sin of child molestation, adultry, murder, or any of the sins defined in God's Word. However, those who do such things are still loved by God and his people regardless of the sin. If the Holy Ghost is working in your life, then you CAN love the soul but not the sin.
Everybody has the choice to accept God and His Word or not. I'm not here to make that choice for anyone. Only to make it for myself. God and His word are not used to justify anything as "hate" or "violence" as it is in black and white and stands on it's own without anyone adding or taking from it. Your accusation of Christians doing so is without merit.
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well as long as they don't bother you i think they should be left alone
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The Bible expressly calls homosexuality an abomination. Yes, I'm a Christian Minister and do not believe we can go against God's law and not expect the consequences for any sin identified between it's pages. For the person that said it was only in the Old Testament and things/times change.....now it's okay, is sadly mistaken. The New Testament speaks of homosexuality (negatively) also, and God is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Also, those of you garnering the "hate" issue to those who take a stand against it, are mistaken. God said right in His Word that He hated the sin of homosexuality Himself. However, He loved humanity enough to die for their sins, and now puts a choice for everyone to accept that gift of forgiveness, and eternal life in the next life. Just because we as Christians do not approve of the sin, does not mean we hate the people involved in it. However, we can't voice a double standard to say it's okay, and then try to take a Biblical stand. That's confusion, as the Word of God so clearly speaks against it.
I cannot "twist" the Bible to make it fit a sin that is clearly forbidden between it's pages. If God is against it....then so am I. That won't change.....ever If you are a true Christian, then you don't pick and choose what you want out of God's Word, to make those who sin feel better.........it doesn't work like that. We as Christians are to reach out to a lost world, but not to condone or be partakers in the sinner's sin. We are to keep ourselves unspotted from the world and it's sin as much as is within us with God's Spirit working through us. Our own hearts deep down tells us what is right and wrong without even reading it in the Bible.
You may say that I'm judging this lifestyle, but actually the Word of God has already judged it, and I stand on the Word of God and live my life by it.
I am a Christian and I beleive it is wrong. God don't make no mistake, if he wanted men to be with men he would have made everyone a man or everyone a woman. God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. I beleive that with my whole heart, but I cannot judge anyone, only God will.
I really like your answer, but I have one question for you.
You stated that God doesn't make mistakes. I truly believe that also with my whole heart. But, what about a child born with a disability, for example those who are born without legs? Would you say that God doesn't make mistakes, therefore those people should live their lives legless and not try have a normal life with what feels comfortable and normal with them by getting leg transplants? Would you also consider that going against God's original plan?
This comparison is the first thing that came to my mind when I read your statement that God doesn't make mistakes, if he meant something, don't try something else (Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve).
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I was raised Christian, but am now somewhere between agnsotic and unitarian universalist. I think most people have the entirely wrong approach to religion. It isn't about being right in every possible way or having faith in some invisible being. It is about love and being the best person you can for yourself and others.
As far as homosexuality, I find it apalling that God is so often used to create and justify hate and violence towards and group.
Congratulations on being able to think for yourself. I can never understand why people brought up in a religion, never even consider researching or exploring other ideas. People like you give me hope that others will follow your lead. ;D
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I am a christian and have no problem with homosexuality. I feel this way due to personally knowing people who are gay. If I hadn't known anyone my opinion could have been different.
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I really like your answer, but I have one question for you.
You stated that God doesn't make mistakes. I truly believe that also with my whole heart. But, what about a child born with a disability, for example those who are born without legs? Would you say that God doesn't make mistakes, therefore those people should live their lives legless and not try have a normal life with what feels comfortable and normal with them by getting leg transplants? Would you also consider that going against God's original plan?
This comparison is the first thing that came to my mind when I read your statement that God doesn't make mistakes, if he meant something, don't try something else (Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve).
Since you had my posting as a quote, I'm not sure if you want me to answer this or ghunter?
However, God does not make mistakes, man does by his wrong choices. If a child is born with a disability and medical science can help with transplants or whatever, then I have no problem with anyone trying to lead a better life. I believe that God has given man wisdom in certain matters (doctors and medical science). We must make sure to acknowledge that God gave the wisdom and thank Him for it. However, when science wants to replace God, then there's a problem.
You seem to be asking from a science/medical point of view and I understand that question. If you are trying to ask why anyone is born with a disability of anything, remember that we all are born in sin because of Adam and Eve. Some are born in certain ways because the mother made bad choices, or just because of the sinful state of the world.
Not knowing what you actually believe, it might be hogwash to you to mention the enemy of our soul and the choices we make for ourselves that can be so wrong in the end. I believe a lot of what is happening in the world today is the judgement dispensation coming upon us. The dispensation of Grace is fast closing.
Of course you need to believe the Word of God to comprehend this. There are many who call themselves Christians, but are only hearers of the Word and not doers. Anybody who is a genuine child of God will adhere to Biblical teaching without variance. This is the choice I made, I cannot make it for anybody else.
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I really like your answer, but I have one question for you.
You stated that God doesn't make mistakes. I truly believe that also with my whole heart. But, what about a child born with a disability, for example those who are born without legs? Would you say that God doesn't make mistakes, therefore those people should live their lives legless and not try have a normal life with what feels comfortable and normal with them by getting leg transplants? Would you also consider that going against God's original plan?
This comparison is the first thing that came to my mind when I read your statement that God doesn't make mistakes, if he meant something, don't try something else (Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve).
Since you had my posting as a quote, I'm not sure if you want me to answer this or ghunter?
However, God does not make mistakes, man does by his wrong choices. If a child is born with a disability and medical science can help with transplants or whatever, then I have no problem with anyone trying to lead a better life. I believe that God has given man wisdom in certain matters (doctors and medical science). We must make sure to acknowledge that God gave the wisdom and thank Him for it. However, when science wants to replace God, then there's a problem.
You seem to be asking from a science/medical point of view and I understand that question. If you are trying to ask why anyone is born with a disability of anything, remember that we all are born in sin because of Adam and Eve. Some are born in certain ways because the mother made bad choices, or just because of the sinful state of the world.
Not knowing what you actually believe, it might be hogwash to you to mention the enemy of our soul and the choices we make for ourselves that can be so wrong in the end. I believe a lot of what is happening in the world today is the judgement dispensation coming upon us. The dispensation of Grace is fast closing.
Of course you need to believe the Word of God to comprehend this. There are many who call themselves Christians, but are only hearers of the Word and not doers. Anybody who is a genuine child of God will adhere to Biblical teaching without variance. This is the choice I made, I cannot make it for anybody else.
I liked your answer but was asking Ghunter the question. I'm sorry for the confusion. Now I do have a question for you: I was partially asking from a medical/ science point of view, but my main point was this: just like people would see it a good thing for a child who is born without arms or legs to get transplants and be normal and enjoy life, would you considerer homosexuality the same way? In that I mean this: the person is born different and feels different and their sexual preference is different as others in their gender. I believe it to be biological and not a choice. So would you say that the person should be free to be with whomever they feel comfortable and happy with, or they should try to be someone they're not and live a life that doesn't suit them and therefore suffer-- just like the person who was born different without legs and have to live the rest of their lives in a wheelchair.
I am a Christian but not a Biblical scholar. But I tend to have a hard time believing that God would go against homosexuality. My reason: the person didn't choose to be born this way. For example, a gay man is a male individual but with feminine sexual needs and feelings. In my opinion I think it would be torture to force that person to have a sexual life that wasn't for him. That is why I have a hard time believing God is against homosexuality. Again, I am not a Bible scholar, that is just what my gut tells me, thinking with a clear mind.
I would love to hear your thoughts on this.
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I have no problem with it. To each is their own! ;D
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It is their lives and they deserve to be happy.
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Homeosexuality don't bother me at all. They live their life and I live mine
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I really like your answer, but I have one question for you.
You stated that God doesn't make mistakes. I truly believe that also with my whole heart. But, what about a child born with a disability, for example those who are born without legs? Would you say that God doesn't make mistakes, therefore those people should live their lives legless and not try have a normal life with what feels comfortable and normal with them by getting leg transplants? Would you also consider that going against God's original plan?
This comparison is the first thing that came to my mind when I read your statement that God doesn't make mistakes, if he meant something, don't try something else (Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve).
Since you had my posting as a quote, I'm not sure if you want me to answer this or ghunter?
However, God does not make mistakes, man does by his wrong choices. If a child is born with a disability and medical science can help with transplants or whatever, then I have no problem with anyone trying to lead a better life. I believe that God has given man wisdom in certain matters (doctors and medical science). We must make sure to acknowledge that God gave the wisdom and thank Him for it. However, when science wants to replace God, then there's a problem.
You seem to be asking from a science/medical point of view and I understand that question. If you are trying to ask why anyone is born with a disability of anything, remember that we all are born in sin because of Adam and Eve. Some are born in certain ways because the mother made bad choices, or just because of the sinful state of the world.
Not knowing what you actually believe, it might be hogwash to you to mention the enemy of our soul and the choices we make for ourselves that can be so wrong in the end. I believe a lot of what is happening in the world today is the judgement dispensation coming upon us. The dispensation of Grace is fast closing.
Of course you need to believe the Word of God to comprehend this. There are many who call themselves Christians, but are only hearers of the Word and not doers. Anybody who is a genuine child of God will adhere to Biblical teaching without variance. This is the choice I made, I cannot make it for anybody else.
I liked your answer but was asking Ghunter the question. I'm sorry for the confusion. Now I do have a question for you: I was partially asking from a medical/ science point of view, but my main point was this: just like people would see it a good thing for a child who is born without arms or legs to get transplants and be normal and enjoy life, would you considerer homosexuality the same way? In that I mean this: the person is born different and feels different and their sexual preference is different as others in their gender. I believe it to be biological and not a choice. So would you say that the person should be free to be with whomever they feel comfortable and happy with, or they should try to be someone they're not and live a life that doesn't suit them and therefore suffer-- just like the person who was born different without legs and have to live the rest of their lives in a wheelchair.
I am a Christian but not a Biblical scholar. But I tend to have a hard time believing that God would go against homosexuality. My reason: the person didn't choose to be born this way. For example, a gay man is a male individual but with feminine sexual needs and feelings. In my opinion I think it would be torture to force that person to have a sexual life that wasn't for him. That is why I have a hard time believing God is against homosexuality. Again, I am not a Bible scholar, that is just what my gut tells me, thinking with a clear mind.
I would love to hear your thoughts on this.
This has been debated thoroughly on other threads. The discussions have faceted into all the various debates of being "born homosexual" versus it's a "deliberate choice" of the individual. I do not believe homosexuals are "born" that way. To be homosexual, is to choose the lifestyle. So you think if individuals are born with homosexuality, then it's to be equal with a disability? Being born with a disability is not a sin. It was not a choice. As we grow from a baby to adulthood, we make life choices along the way that form who we are today. We were not born a lier, but chose later in life to lie, not born a thief, but chose to steal, not born a murderer, but chose to murder, not born a child molester, but chose to be. You see where I'm going with this?
To be a Christian (Christ like) is also a choice, and know God's Word/teachings. That's what a Christian lives their life by. It doesn't take a "Scholar" to understand that God hates the sin of homosexuality. It's in black and white. It all comes down to "choice". As far as your "gut" feeling? Our own heart (seat of our emotions). can deceive us (Jeremiah 17:9-10). That's why it's so important to know what the the Bible teaches, and live it.
I pray for your continued effort to strive for more Truth, and your endeavors to know Christ in all fullness. It doesn't really matter what I believe. You need to read and study it out for yourself. Everybody is going to have an opinion, but to a Christian, God's opinion is all that matters. Otherwise, why would anybody call themselves a Christian? Who are we following?
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It really doesn't bother me. If you're attracted to the same sex, fine. If you're attracted to both, fine. If you're attracted to the opposite sex, fine. However, I don't like seeing same sex couples "going at it". Keep that to yourselves please. The same goes for heterosexual couples. And I don't really want to hear stories about it either. That part of your personal life should remain personal.