FC Community
Discussion Boards => Off-Topic => Debate & Discuss => Topic started by: tazdad777 on July 31, 2011, 06:13:01 pm
-
Do you believe there is a literal Hell as the Bible describes?
I believe there is. If it is in the Bible and it is and Jesus does talk about it so I believe His words as a Christian.
-
I am a chrisian and I don't believe that hell is a literal place because the bible says Jesus went there for three days I believe and God would not have sent his son to die for us so that he could go to hell. So I believe hell is just mans common grave and that he desires all to repent that is why he allowed his only begotton son to die for mankind.
-
I hope not.
-
Yes, I believe there is a real place called Hell. One day it will be turned into a bottomless pit for Lucifer and his friends. Jesus did visit hell after His cruxifiction but I don't believe He was there for the whole three days between His physical death and His resurrection. I believe His going to visit Hell was a sign to mortals that it is a real place and but unlike Him, once a mortal man reaches Hell, there will be no returning.
-
Do you believe there is a literal Hell as the Bible describes?
If you do a bit of historical research, you'll find that the original christian term was coined from some garbage dumps in Jerusalem where they'd burned dead/diseased bodies. The place was always burning. However as time went on and Christianity introduced a lot of pagan ideas into the religion during the Roman times (many of which people still follow without even knowing it), it's easy to see that it got a bit out of hand and turned into this crazy guilt-tripping tactic to keep the followers in-line or they will be punished for eternity with demons poking their butts! It really can be paralleled to an adult version of the 'Xmas presents vs. coal' thing.
So I believe hell is just mans common grave
This is 100% correct.
-
I'm not Christian. No I don't believe hell as a literal place one goes if they are bad in life. Hell is here on earth. Hell or heaven is a state of being. When we are happy we can be in "heaven." When things are going bad in our lives we can be in a state of hell.
-
I don't there is a literal hell but I'm not sure what the bible means by hell after life.
-
I think Hell is the absence of the Almighty... how terrible that would be!
-
100% there is
-
I believe there is, but I don't personally want to find out.
-
Jesus spent more time describing Hell than Heaven for a reason.It's not some pagan fairy tale,but a very real place.One He hopes you'll never find yourself in.
It's also a misconception that Jesus went to Hell after his death.Jesus told us where he was going with his final words before death:“Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” He couldn't put it much clearer than that.
-
It's not some pagan fairy tale,but a very real place.One He hopes you'll never find yourself in.
Reality says differently. Do show us your proof though.
-
It's not some pagan fairy tale,but a very real place.One He hopes you'll never find yourself in.
Reality says differently. Do show us your proof though.
How does reality say differently?Can you prove Hell doesn't exist?This is the folly of Atheism.That you would in fact have to be an all knowing god to know for certain that God doesn't exist.
-
How does reality say differently?
I already posted that above.
Can you prove Hell doesn't exist?
Can you prove that the invisible-purple-dotted monster who likes vodka that lives in my garage doesn't exist? All in all, both of these are very irrational arguments. With what we know historically, we have the logical option to say it certainly does not exist. All that is required is a bit of research. That's all I'm saying here.
This is the folly of Atheism.That you would in fact have to be an all knowing god to know for certain that God doesn't exist.
1.) It's godS. Not just one god. There's millions of them.
2.) Atheists don't want to be gods. They're just aware that they're masters of their own lives and aren't guided by ancient writings and gods created from primitive peoples.
-
Well, if there is a heaven, then there must be a hell. If there is dark, then there is light. Luckily the light will always take over darkness. Darkness can never over come light. And a positive thought is 100 times more powerful then a negative one. Also, keep in mind that we, as beings create. Something as ridiculous as a Santa exists because we make him exist. Regardless of how real he his or isn't, you know who he is. You see his face don't you? Then he must exist in some way. Same with hell. It's all in how we look at things, and how much belief we put into things. Maybe hell doesn't exist to you, in which case, it doesn't exist does it? Personally, I think we create our own hell. And continue to live in it until one day, we choose not to.
-
How does reality say differently?
I already posted that above.
Then I'm sorry to say your information is inaccurate.The Hebrew (which is what the early Christians were) term for Hell basically translates as Underworld/place of the dead.Not "mass grave".This is what leads to my other point about some people's misconception about "Jesus descended into Hell".The meaning was that he went to the place of the dead (afterlife),not actually Hell itself.
-
1.) It's godS. Not just one god. There's millions of them.
2.) Atheists don't want to be gods. They're just aware that they're masters of their own lives and aren't guided by ancient writings and gods created from primitive peoples.
There is only one true God,and no other.Anyone can make anything their "god".But,the real point is the Historical evidence that the Bible is indeed the word of God is monumental.
-
Then I'm sorry to say your information is inaccurate.The Hebrew (which is what the early Christians were)
Jews. And (as far as I know) they don't have any specific writings about the rules of the afterlife like christianity does.
term for Hell basically translates as Underworld/place of the dead
Most belief systems have an underworld. All of them tend to stem from ancient egyptian beliefs of an eternal punishment after this life (or some form of). I'm not sure about Sumerian myth though. However it's pretty easy to see that the Christian ideas of hell are really nothing too different as you go back throughout history and look at different systems.
Ultimately the belief in hell cannot be unlinked from an evil deity, so I don't know why so many people believe it.
There is only one true God,and no other
There are millions of gods. People all over the world believe differently. I think it's respectful to acknowledge that their beliefs have just as much merit as yours. Christianity is just a popular one as is Hinduism.
But,the real point is the Historical evidence that the Bible is indeed the word of God is monumental
So I take it you believe in the myths of Adam and Eve, the Ark, Exodus, Job, Jesus, etc. even though there's no real historical evidence of any of them being real/completely accurate.
-
100% hell is there.
-
I am a Christian.I studied the Bible and Hell is a real place and if you don't accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior and believe he rose again for your sins that's where your headed.
-
Ultimately the belief in hell cannot be unlinked from an evil deity, so I don't know why so many people believe it.
I disagree,as far as Christianity is concerned.Satan has never been an equal with God.He is a created being.Another misconception (that I believe you touched on) is that Satan rules Hell torturing people with his pitchfork.
In actuality Satan will not be cast into Hell until the Judgement,and then he'll be suffering the Eternal punishment himself,not handing out said punishment.
-
There are millions of gods. People all over the world believe differently. I think it's respectful to acknowledge that their beliefs have just as much merit as yours. Christianity is just a popular one as is Hinduism.
So I take it you believe in the myths of Adam and Eve, the Ark, Exodus, Job, Jesus, etc. even though there's no real historical evidence of any of them being real/completely accurate.
The difference being that the bible is historically accurate,unlike the several other religions which have little to back them up.
As for evidence, archaeology is a powerful witness to the accuracy of the New Testament documents. Repeatedly, comprehensive archaeological fieldwork and careful biblical interpretation affirm the reliability of the Bible. For example, archaeological finds have corroborated biblical details surrounding the trial that led to the fatal torment of Jesus Christ—including Pontius Pilate, who ordered Christ’s crucifixion, as well as Caiaphas, the high priest who presided over the religious trials of Christ. It is telling when secular scholars must revise their biblical criticisms in light of solid archaeological evidence.
-
I disagree,as far as Christianity is concerned.Satan has never been an equal with God.He is a created being.Another misconception (that I believe you touched on) is that Satan rules Hell torturing people with his pitchfork.
Why would an all-powerful all-knowing being who created everything create such an obvious antagonist? Especially when he knows what's going to go down since he's all-knowing? Applying the same to mortals, since he knows who's going to heaven and hell (again-- all-knowing), isn't that malevolent? Isn't it just sadistically evil to allow the antagonist to get away with all of this? Like a child who's sticking a fork in an electrical outlet- even if the child made some mistakes, what loving parent would allow any kid to do that? What terrible parent would just stand to the side and watch it happen? Any loving god would not allow for eternal torment. If your god does have a plan, then it's fairly obvious that there's evil intent within it.
The difference being that the bible is historically accurate,unlike the several other religions which have little to back them up.
The bible is very far from being historically accurate. Not everything in it is wrong, but many of the stories are romanticized and ficticious-- especially in the OT. How can one put their trust in a book that's so obviously false in so many parts?
archaeology is a powerful witness to the accuracy of the New Testament documents.
You just grabbed all of this from here-
http://www.equip.org/bible_answers/how-do-we-know-that-the-bible-is-divine-rather-than-human-in-origin-
The thing is, the historical evidence surrounding Jesus is extremely blurry at best. Looking at the bible, there are 4 accounts from separate people who can't even get their stories straight. I think it's a staple of Roman history to know that they crucified tons of people after trials and there is no archaeological evidence because of that-- a needle in a haystack if you will. Furthermore, the story of Jesus carries many of the attributes of a mythical hero pattern-
http://department.monm.edu/classics/courses/clas230/mythdocuments/heropattern/default.htm
Understand many of these traits are seen within heroes that came way before Jesus' time, so explain why J's attributes are nearly identical to other heroes throughout earlier history.
-
There are millions of gods. People all over the world believe differently. I think it's respectful to acknowledge that their beliefs have just as much merit as yours. Christianity is just a popular one as is Hinduism.
So I take it you believe in the myths of Adam and Eve, the Ark, Exodus, Job, Jesus, etc. even though there's no real historical evidence of any of them being real/completely accurate.
The difference being that the bible is historically accurate,unlike the several other religions which have little to back them up.
As for evidence, archaeology is a powerful witness to the accuracy of the New Testament documents. Repeatedly, comprehensive archaeological fieldwork and careful biblical interpretation affirm the reliability of the Bible. For example, archaeological finds have corroborated biblical details surrounding the trial that led to the fatal torment of Jesus Christ—including Pontius Pilate, who ordered Christ’s crucifixion, as well as Caiaphas, the high priest who presided over the religious trials of Christ. It is telling when secular scholars must revise their biblical criticisms in light of solid archaeological evidence.
Sources please. "Because I said so...." doesn't score here. Not much interested in the ol' "The bible says so" or "some clergyman or other told me so" either.
-
I disagree,as far as Christianity is concerned.Satan has never been an equal with God.He is a created being.Another misconception (that I believe you touched on) is that Satan rules Hell torturing people with his pitchfork.
Why would an all-powerful all-knowing being who created everything create such an obvious antagonist? Especially when he knows what's going to go down since he's all-knowing? Applying the same to mortals, since he knows who's going to heaven and hell (again-- all-knowing), isn't that malevolent? Isn't it just sadistically evil to allow the antagonist to get away with all of this? Like a child who's sticking a fork in an electrical outlet- even if the child made some mistakes, what loving parent would allow any kid to do that? What terrible parent would just stand to the side and watch it happen? Any loving god would not allow for eternal torment. If your god does have a plan, then it's fairly obvious that there's evil intent within it.
I'm sure you're familiar with the concept of free will.God is not going to micro-manage his creations like the parent of a 3 year old.
God's punishments fit the crime.It's called justice.
-
You just grabbed all of this from here-
http://www.equip.org/bible_answers/how-do-we-know-that-the-bible-is-divine-rather-than-human-in-origin-
Yep.Doesn't make it any less correct. ;D
-
The thing is, the historical evidence surrounding Jesus is extremely blurry at best. Looking at the bible, there are 4 accounts from separate people who can't even get their stories straight. I think it's a staple of Roman history to know that they crucified tons of people after trials and there is no archaeological evidence because of that-- a needle in a haystack if you will. Furthermore, the story of Jesus carries many of the attributes of a mythical hero pattern-
http://department.monm.edu/classics/courses/clas230/mythdocuments/heropattern/default.htm
Understand many of these traits are seen within heroes that came way before Jesus' time, so explain why J's attributes are nearly identical to other heroes throughout earlier history.
There is nothing contradicting about the Gospel accounts.Anyone knows that if they were identical in every detail,skeptics would cry fraud louder than they do now. ::)
The difference is the facts are all there.The only person to whom all the thousands of prophesies written by hundreds of different writers over several centuries could be fulfilled was Jesus Christ. Christianity is not a blind faith,there are many Historical/Archaeological proofs like the ones I posted.Even the most hardened skeptic must except that Jesus Christ lived,died and His tomb was found empty.Tossing around myths and legends doesn't disprove that.
-
There are millions of gods. People all over the world believe differently. I think it's respectful to acknowledge that their beliefs have just as much merit as yours. Christianity is just a popular one as is Hinduism.
So I take it you believe in the myths of Adam and Eve, the Ark, Exodus, Job, Jesus, etc. even though there's no real historical evidence of any of them being real/completely accurate.
The difference being that the bible is historically accurate,unlike the several other religions which have little to back them up.
As for evidence, archaeology is a powerful witness to the accuracy of the New Testament documents. Repeatedly, comprehensive archaeological fieldwork and careful biblical interpretation affirm the reliability of the Bible. For example, archaeological finds have corroborated biblical details surrounding the trial that led to the fatal torment of Jesus Christ—including Pontius Pilate, who ordered Christ’s crucifixion, as well as Caiaphas, the high priest who presided over the religious trials of Christ. It is telling when secular scholars must revise their biblical criticisms in light of solid archaeological evidence.
Sources please. "Because I said so...." doesn't score here. Not much interested in the ol' "The bible says so" or "some clergyman or other told me so" either.
And this is basically the bottom line,isn't it?To most skeptics nothing short of a front row seat to the Resurrection is going to be convincing.There is proof that the bible is Historically accurate,but if it's met with a hardened heart,obviously nothing is going to convince you.
-
I'm sure you're familiar with the concept of free will.God is not going to micro-manage his creations like the parent of a 3 year old.
Your god does not allow for free will. If he knows past, present, and future, he ultimately controls everything you do because he has seen it before it happens. It's Fatalism which is furthest from freewill. Basically the Abrahamic god plays with a stacked deck because of his powers. The christian definition of "choice" is an illusion because the choice is already known by the god. Unless you believe your god is not perfect, one could easily conclude that since people are going to hell and he knew they would from day 1, he is malevolent. Here's a better example-
http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=17937.0
God's punishments fit the crime.It's called justice.
Hitler -- Killed millions + last minute of life he accepts Christ = Heaven.
Jew -- Led a selfless life + Concentration Camp + didn't accept Christ before he was gassed = Eternal Torment.
That's justice?
Yep.Doesn't make it any less correct.
Well with that logic Zeus, Odysseus, Superman, and Harry Potter are all true stories as well.
There is nothing contradicting about the Gospel accounts.Anyone knows that if they were identical in every detail,skeptics would cry fraud louder than they do now.
Not sure how much you've studied the NT, but there are truckloads of contradictions.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_contradictions_be_found_in_the_Gospel_narratives
http://atheism.about.com/od/gospelcontradictions/p/PassionWeek.htm
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/paul_carlson/nt_contradictions.html
You may play the 'biased' card on saying these sources are atheist/agnostic, but remember that they're quoting bible verses.
The difference is the facts are all there.The only person to whom all the thousands of prophesies written by hundreds of different writers over several centuries could be fulfilled was Jesus Christ.
Name one prophecy that came true that wasn't a self-fulfilling prophecy. Remember-- in order for something to be a legitimate prophecy, all of the details must be there-- precise names, dates, details, etc.
Christianity is not a blind faith,there are many Historical/Archaeological proofs like the ones I posted
Where? I didn't see anything.
Even the most hardened skeptic must except that Jesus Christ lived,died and His tomb was found empty.Tossing around myths and legends doesn't disprove that.
You do know that most stories in the bible are myths, right? I mean with Jesus it boils down to a romanticized hero with super powers. Very little research is needed to see the bogus supernatural qualities within the stories.
To most skeptics nothing short of a front row seat to the Resurrection is going to be convincing.There is proof that the bible is Historically accurate,but if it's met with a hardened heart,obviously nothing is going to convince you.
Hey, Walksalone and I are both open to proofs. I've given you plenty of basic rational information from various sources saying that the bible is seldomly accurate. All you have done is posted something from a biased creationist site with no proofs at all.
-
There are millions of gods. People all over the world believe differently. I think it's respectful to acknowledge that their beliefs have just as much merit as yours. Christianity is just a popular one as is Hinduism.
So I take it you believe in the myths of Adam and Eve, the Ark, Exodus, Job, Jesus, etc. even though there's no real historical evidence of any of them being real/completely accurate.
The difference being that the bible is historically accurate,unlike the several other religions which have little to back them up.
As for evidence, archaeology is a powerful witness to the accuracy of the New Testament documents. Repeatedly, comprehensive archaeological fieldwork and careful biblical interpretation affirm the reliability of the Bible. For example, archaeological finds have corroborated biblical details surrounding the trial that led to the fatal torment of Jesus Christ—including Pontius Pilate, who ordered Christ’s crucifixion, as well as Caiaphas, the high priest who presided over the religious trials of Christ. It is telling when secular scholars must revise their biblical criticisms in light of solid archaeological evidence.
Sources please. "Because I said so...." doesn't score here. Not much interested in the ol' "The bible says so" or "some clergyman or other told me so" either.
And this is basically the bottom line,isn't it?To most skeptics nothing short of a front row seat to the Resurrection is going to be convincing.There is proof that the bible is Historically accurate,but if it's met with a hardened heart,obviously nothing is going to convince you.
There's is much more evidence that it is almost entirely plagiarized.....but then I see you are all good with that kind of thing.
-
I'm sure you're familiar with the concept of free will.God is not going to micro-manage his creations like the parent of a 3 year old.
Your god does not allow for free will. If he knows past, present, and future, he ultimately controls everything you do because he has seen it before it happens. It's Fatalism which is furthest from freewill. Basically the Abrahamic god plays with a stacked deck because of his powers. The christian definition of "choice" is an illusion because the choice is already known by the god. Unless you believe your god is not perfect, one could easily conclude that since people are going to hell and he knew they would from day 1, he is malevolent. Here's a better example-
http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=17937.0
God's punishments fit the crime.It's called justice.
Hitler -- Killed millions + last minute of life he accepts Christ = Heaven.
Jew -- Led a selfless life + Concentration Camp + didn't accept Christ before he was gassed = Eternal Torment.
That's justice?
Yep.Doesn't make it any less correct.
Well with that logic Zeus, Odysseus, Superman, and Harry Potter are all true stories as well.
There is nothing contradicting about the Gospel accounts.Anyone knows that if they were identical in every detail,skeptics would cry fraud louder than they do now.
Not sure how much you've studied the NT, but there are truckloads of contradictions.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_contradictions_be_found_in_the_Gospel_narratives
http://atheism.about.com/od/gospelcontradictions/p/PassionWeek.htm
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/paul_carlson/nt_contradictions.html
You may play the 'biased' card on saying these sources are atheist/agnostic, but remember that they're quoting bible verses.
The difference is the facts are all there.The only person to whom all the thousands of prophesies written by hundreds of different writers over several centuries could be fulfilled was Jesus Christ.
Name one prophecy that came true that wasn't a self-fulfilling prophecy. Remember-- in order for something to be a legitimate prophecy, all of the details must be there-- precise names, dates, details, etc.
Christianity is not a blind faith,there are many Historical/Archaeological proofs like the ones I posted
Where? I didn't see anything.
Even the most hardened skeptic must except that Jesus Christ lived,died and His tomb was found empty.Tossing around myths and legends doesn't disprove that.
You do know that most stories in the bible are myths, right? I mean with Jesus it boils down to a romanticized hero with super powers. Very little research is needed to see the bogus supernatural qualities within the stories.
To most skeptics nothing short of a front row seat to the Resurrection is going to be convincing.There is proof that the bible is Historically accurate,but if it's met with a hardened heart,obviously nothing is going to convince you.
Hey, Walksalone and I are both open to proofs. I've given you plenty of basic rational information from various sources saying that the bible is seldomly accurate. All you have done is posted something from a biased creationist site with no proofs at all.
Well Bro......yet another sock-puppet parroting all the mumbo-jumbo that all the others recite as fact, yet still, not one shred of verifiable fact. ***yawn*** Dang, shouldn't have advised the other Noob, not to post yet another "end of the world thread.......
-
Well Bro......yet another sock-puppet parroting all the mumbo-jumbo that all the others recite as fact, yet still, not one shred of verifiable fact. ***yawn*** Dang, shouldn't have advised the other Noob, not to post yet another "end of the world thread.......
Ugh...if I see that thread-consistency again I'll cry.
-
Yes, there is. Ask anyone who lives in Texas. If it isn't hell apparently it feels pretty close to it lately.
-
I know that there is a hell, because I am living in it now.
-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtIREJVPfQY&feature=share
-
Well Truthful I Belive That There Is A Hell I have Herd Sevral People Say That They Belive That It Is Here On Earth I Am Not Sure Maybe Somthing You Would Need To Ask A Preist Or Preacher??? ???
-
Well Truthful I Belive That There Is A Hell I have Herd Sevral People Say That They Belive That It Is Here On Earth I Am Not Sure Maybe Somthing You Would Need To Ask A Preist Or Preacher??? ???
http://www.ministerregistration.org/ ........ask me again in a couple of days.
-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtIREJVPfQY&feature=share
EVERYBODY WATCH THIS VIDEO OR YOU'RE OFFICIALLY DUMB.
-
If you think so. Maybe in your dreams, in the movies or tv.
-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtIREJVPfQY&feature=share
EVERYBODY WATCH THIS VIDEO OR YOU'RE OFFICIALLY DUMB.
A man who makes perfect sense and tells it how it is. The religious freaks are so damn gullible.
-
100% there is
REALLY NOW?????
So tell me.......Does hell have a postcard or something?? Have you obtained a soil sample from hell, perhaps???? DNA from the devil????? Got friends you visit there often???(lol!) Is it a vacation spot I haven't yet heard of, is it on the map of the earth??? Perhaps its located on the Ring of FIRE?!?!?!?!? :wave:
-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtIREJVPfQY&feature=share
EVERYBODY WATCH THIS VIDEO OR YOU'RE OFFICIALLY DUMB.
A man who makes perfect sense and tells it how it is. The religious freaks are so damn gullible.
YEAH! BURN!!!!!!
-
I'm agnostic, so I don't believe we can prove or disprove the existence of God, the devil, heaven, or hell. But I don't think I could accept a God who would throw anyone into hell for eternity. Seriously, he creates human beings and then decides he needs to torture some of them for eternity because they aren't behaving themselves. Have you really thought about someone being tortured forever?
-
I'm agnostic, so I don't believe we can prove or disprove the existence of God, the devil, heaven, or hell. But I don't think I could accept a God who would throw anyone into hell for eternity. Seriously, he creates human beings and then decides he needs to torture some of them for eternity because they aren't behaving themselves. Have you really thought about someone being tortured forever?
Did you watch the video?!?!?!?!?
-
What is your definition of Hell?? One would need to know, BEFORE, one could give a meaningful answer.
-
Hell is being removed from God's Grace.
That is why we are imbued with free will.
We make the choice ... and in the end if the choices were wrong based on the laws we were given both natural and judicial then there is a price to pay.
-
I'm agnostic, so I don't believe we can prove or disprove the existence of God, the devil, heaven, or hell.
Speculatively that's true. Realistically it's very easy to disprove these things though. Just doing a bit of research can show how other belief systems all link and parallel back to more primitive belief systems-- they all basically stem back to sun worship. I mean Egyptian mythology even parallels todays Christianity because they both put emphasis on these weirdly defined pain-or-pleasure 'afterlives'.
I dont think I could accept a God who would throw anyone into hell for eternity. Seriously, he creates human beings and then decides he needs to torture some of them for eternity because they aren't behaving themselves. Have you really thought about someone being tortured forever?
This skips peoples minds all the time simply because they automatically put themselves in the 'saved' category as soon as they learn about it. Overall it's simply a guilt-tripping tactic or a way to offend someone under the guise of religious love. If you stick around D+D enough, I guarentee you'll see it a lot.
Hell is being removed from God's Grace.
That is why we are imbued with free will.
We make the choice ... and in the end if the choices were wrong based on the laws we were given both natural and judicial then there is a price to pay.
I still don't understand how christians think their god gives them free will when they say he already knows everything.
-
I believe there is a hell, but I don't want to find out I will take the bibles word for it. :angel11:
-
Yes I Belive Personaly That There Is A Hell As A Christan Knowing That There Is A Heaven Then There Must Be A Hell I Have Faith In The Bible Which Leads Me To Belive That There Is A Hell!! :)
-
I would definitely say there are bad places you go in the after life....
but who know what it is and what it will be.....
-
Can you prove Hell doesn't exist?This is the folly of Atheism.
"A negative proof is a logical fallacy which takes the structure of:
X is true because there is no proof that X is false.
If the only evidence for something's existence is a lack of evidence for it not existing, then the default position is one of skepticism and not credulity. This type of negative proof is common in proofs of God's existence or in pseudosciences where it is used to attempt to shift the burden of proof onto the skeptic rather than the proponent of the idea. The burden of proof is on the individual proposing existence, not the one questioning existence."
That you would in fact have to be an all knowing god to know for certain that God doesn't exist.
"The burden of proof is on the individual proposing existence, not the one questioning existence."
-
I do not believe in God and therefore I don't believe there is Hell. Evolution is what 'rules' the world and once we die we simply turn into different type of energy.
-
The difference being that the bible is historically accurate,unlike the several other religions which have little to back them up.
As for evidence, archaeology is a powerful witness to the accuracy of the New Testament documents. Repeatedly, comprehensive archaeological fieldwork and careful biblical interpretation affirm the reliability of the Bible.
That doesn't constitute "evidence" since "careful biblical interpretation" reveals the bias of attempting to cofirm a pre-extisting conclusion.
For example, archaeological finds have corroborated biblical details surrounding the trial that led to the fatal torment of Jesus Christ—including Pontius Pilate, who ordered Christ’s crucifixion, as well as Caiaphas, the high priest who presided over the religious trials of Christ. It is telling when secular scholars must revise their biblical criticisms in light of solid archaeological evidence.
What "solid archeological evidence"? Vaguely waving at unspecified "finds" and religiously 'interpreting' them as supporting a belief-based foregone conclusion is not valid evidence.
There is proof that the bible is Historically accurate,but if it's met with a hardened heart,obviously nothing is going to convince you.
No substantive evidence, ("proof"), has been presented to support your specious claims. The validity of evidence does not rely upon religious 'faith'; it relies upon reason, (which apparently is anthema to religious believers).
-
You just grabbed all of this from here-
http://www.equip.org/bible_answers/how-do-we-know-that-the-bible-is-divine-rather-than-human-in-origin-
Yep.Doesn't make it any less correct. ;D
Actually, it does. A small excerpt from that link:
" ... Equally amazing is the fact that the Bible has been virtually unaltered since the original writing, as is attested by scholars who have compared the earliest extant manuscripts with manuscripts written centuries later. Additionally, the reliability of the Bible is affirmed by the testimony of its authors, who were eyewitnesses—or close associates of eyewitnesses—to the recorded events ..."
The Council of Nicea and the Dead Sea scrolls both directly show massive alteratons to biblical fictions. Biblical scholars are inherently biased and their loosely-interpreted 'comparisons' often disregard direct contradictions found, (which is why the Nicean council omitted contradictory "books" from the altered version of myth). Lastly, unconfirmed "eyewitness testimony" is faulty evidence; testimony from "close associates" is hearsay.
-
How can there be a Hell as described in the bible if God is all forgiving!?
-
How can there be a Hell as described in the bible if God is all forgiving!?
It looks like the options include:
a) if there is a hell, "god" is not all-forgiving
b) if "god" is all-forgiving, there can be no hell
c) there is no hell
d) there is no "god"
e) if there is an all-forgiving "god" who nonetheless sends "souls" to hell, that's one vindictively-sadistic *bleep*