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Discussion Boards => Off-Topic => Debate & Discuss => Topic started by: Flackle on August 10, 2011, 10:07:51 am
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I am looking for arguments for and against things like incest, prostitution, and other means by which sex between to consenting adults is illegal. Please do not include children, animals or any other being which is incapable of giving consent. I also don't want people just saying that it feels wrong. I want logical and reasonable arguments.
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I think that prostitution should be legal. If a woman or man would like to make money by performing sexual acts they should be able to do it. They say that prostitution is the worlds oldest profession. If it was legal then these woman and me would be screened for STDs and it could be regulated. I don't know if you have ever seen the HBO show Cathouse before, but it's a good portrail of the business.
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I do not agree with this because if you are married and have sex outside of your marriage then you are committing adulty and giving your hard earn money to someone else besides your family.
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as long is it is the way the lord set it up it is good .man and women is the wright way after marriage is the wright way that is the only that it should be done!
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as long is it is the way the lord set it up it is good .man and women is the wright way after marriage is the wright way that is the only that it should be done!
The original poster requested logical and reasonable arguements; your response is neither.
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On top of that what is the wright way?
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:wave: :wave: SEX BETWEEN CONSENTING ADULTS IS AGAINST THE LAW IN MANY PLACES---EVEN TODAY---AND IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN AGAINST GOD'S LAW---BUT THERE ARE MANY ADULTS WHO CANNOT CONTROL THEMSELVES AND/OR JUST SIMPLY DO NOT CARE ABOUT MAN'S LAW OR GOD'S LAW!! :wave: :wave:
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I think if two adults consent than it is nobodies business but the two consenting adults. I know my mother would of like me to wait but I am a consentin adult and I feel its my business. I think ask someone for money for sex is wrong. To me sex is a way to show how you feel about a person, and your desire to be with that person. Where is the affection and romace in selling sex. This is affection between two consenting adults who are showing there feelings for one another.
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I do not agree with this because if you are married and have sex outside of your marriage then you are committing adulty and giving your hard earn money to someone else besides your family.
But not everyone is married. For those who are, people spend money outside of their family for many things, so as long as they keep their family up should it really matter? Of course adultery depends on the relationship and it has less to do with morals as it does with how your spouse will respond. If someones husband or wife does not want their spouse to sleep with another person and they do so this is grounds for them to divorce though the legal process. But this is all subjective, someone may not mind their spouse sleeping with other people (there are many open relationships, even with people who are married). Whats really important is that should all of these things be illegal? Does the law really need to get involved? Are court cases not enough to provide those who are married to fairly get divorced or obtain child support? These the question I'm looking to people answering.
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If you stop to think for one second, you'd know that prostitution is different from any other "product". The man or woman who sells sex is selling a piece of their soul, something which has no price. You can't go to the store and buy a new one. So, no, it's not exactly the same as a husband going out and buying a sports car without consulting his wife. He's participating in the destruction of another human being (the prostitute).
Your argument that it would be a different situation if the man is single doesn't hold water. He's still hurting this person body and soul. Think about what selling your sexuality must do to a woman mentally. Do you want to be responsible for that? I sure don't.
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Prostitution, like drugs, ought to be legal and highly taxed and regulated. It'd be a whole lot safer than it is now, and you know it's going to be going on regardless. By making it illegal, the spread of disease is increased and you've got a lot more criminal cases.
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Prostitution, like drugs, ought to be legal and highly taxed and regulated. It'd be a whole lot safer than it is now, and you know it's going to be going on regardless. By making it illegal, the spread of disease is increased and you've got a lot more criminal cases.
Prostitution will never be legal in the U.S., I don't think. Legalization confers a sort of legitimacy to it that is against the morals of most Americans. It won't fly. If you decide not to participate in prostitution, then its safety is a moot point. The excuse that it'll happen anyway is childish. There are many awful things that happen in this country every day (rape, murder, illegal drugs, gang murders), but we don't have to condone them or make money off of them.
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If you stop to think for one second, you'd know that prostitution is different from any other "product". The man or woman who sells sex is selling a piece of their soul, something which has no price. You can't go to the store and buy a new one. So, no, it's not exactly the same as a husband going out and buying a sports car without consulting his wife. He's participating in the destruction of another human being (the prostitute).
Your argument that it would be a different situation if the man is single doesn't hold water. He's still hurting this person body and soul. Think about what selling your sexuality must do to a woman mentally. Do you want to be responsible for that? I sure don't.
When I ask them "what if the person was single" I wasn't justifying prostitution. I was eliminating marriage from the argument because it was unnecessary. As far as I understand if you have sex with a prostitute when you are married then you are tried just the same as though you were not married. Although your partner may not like you having sex with a prostitute, assuming it isn't illegal then its a personal matter. She can choose to divorce you and only then should the law get involved. But if you wanna talk about prostitution specifically, you forget that the person may have consented into becoming a prostitute. If a person forces a person into prostitution (like any other work) it should be considered slavery, but because prostitution in it of itself is illegal then the person is not longer a victim but instead is sent to prison. Not all prostitutes become prostitutes through force just like not all minimum wage workers are forced to work minimum wage. They may both be doing something they don't like to survive, or may in fact enjoy their work. Give me empirical evidence that a soul exist, and then prove that prostitution alone directly takes away pieces of their soul. When I said I wanted logical and reasonable arguments I meant it. I may believe prostitution isn't morally wrong and shouldn't be illegal. But since a lot of people do believe it is morally wrong and it is illegal I am searching for a reasonable and logical well thought out argument against it. So far I am not convinced.
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As for prostitution, this is technically consensual sex between 2 adults. It isn't anyone's business what people want to do with their own bodies as long as they aren't forcing it on others. Also we all know that when a man wants something from a woman he has to go buy her things and take her out to dinner or a movie or at least get her a 6 pack and hope to get her drunk (hehe). Women want to see the cash all the time before they have sex with a man, prostitutes are just more honest about it and are usually less expensive.
As for incest, I understand that a history of inbreeding can produce some pretty bad genetic results. Look at the royalty that used to be around and all their problems like "blue blood". I think that in just one case of close blood relatives reproducing, the chances of a genetic abnormality are still pretty small and that it is not until you have a longer history of this inbreeding that real problems become very likely. If no child is made from this, then it doesn't really cause any harm at all. I think many states have already repealed some of their incest laws.
As for homosexual acts. More consenting sex between 2 or more adults. I know here in America and elsewhere around the world there are overpopulation problems. The argument that it is natural for it to be only man and woman so they can make babies is ridiculous. In nature we find animals that have homosexual acts. If we find it in nature in human and in animal, then to say it is unnatural only shows that a person has a poor grasp on his language skills. Also civilizations that have are advanced, at least in their own time, have always had a good or at least a lukewarm feeling towards homosexuality. The Roman Empire is a good example of this. Look at the USA. As we progress here we tolerate it or embrace it even more. A civilization where their medicine and health are advanced, and where their warfare tech and knowledge is advanced, does NOT need babies in a constant reproduction to keep that society functioning. The advanced civilizations needs less of the babies and more of people who do not propagate the species, but instead propagate the culture, to influence and spread that civilizations way of life. So not only is homosexuality natural, but it is desirable for us to embrace it as a sign of our nation doing well.
All in all, I think a few individuals have had incorrect notions pumped in to them for so long that they truly believe what their brains can't make rational arguments for. And these small amount of people feel so badly about their own "deviant" sexual desires that they feel they need to make all of it a crime in order to control themselves. The world will be a better place by far if these people could learn to stay in their own bedrooms, and out of others!
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If you stop to think for one second, you'd know that prostitution is different from any other "product". The man or woman who sells sex is selling a piece of their soul, something which has no price. You can't go to the store and buy a new one. So, no, it's not exactly the same as a husband going out and buying a sports car without consulting his wife. He's participating in the destruction of another human being (the prostitute).
Your argument that it would be a different situation if the man is single doesn't hold water. He's still hurting this person body and soul. Think about what selling your sexuality must do to a woman mentally. Do you want to be responsible for that? I sure don't.
When I ask them "what if the person was single" I wasn't justifying prostitution. I was eliminating marriage from the argument because it was unnecessary. As far as I understand if you have sex with a prostitute when you are married then you are tried just the same as though you were not married. Although your partner may not like you having sex with a prostitute, assuming it isn't illegal then its a personal matter. She can choose to divorce you and only then should the law get involved. But if you wanna talk about prostitution specifically, you forget that the person may have consented into becoming a prostitute. If a person forces a person into prostitution (like any other work) it should be considered slavery, but because prostitution in it of itself is illegal then the person is not longer a victim but instead is sent to prison. Not all prostitutes become prostitutes through force just like not all minimum wage workers are forced to work minimum wage. They may both be doing something they don't like to survive, or may in fact enjoy their work. Give me empirical evidence that a soul exist, and then prove that prostitution alone directly takes away pieces of their soul. When I said I wanted logical and reasonable arguments I meant it. I may believe prostitution isn't morally wrong and shouldn't be illegal. But since a lot of people do believe it is morally wrong and it is illegal I am searching for a reasonable and logical well thought out argument against it. So far I am not convinced.
If you don't believe a soul exists, I'm not sure I can make any argument that will satisfy you. Best of luck!
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Give me empirical evidence that a soul exist, and then prove that prostitution alone directly takes away pieces of their soul. When I said I wanted logical and reasonable arguments I meant it. I may believe prostitution isn't morally wrong and shouldn't be illegal. But since a lot of people do believe it is morally wrong and it is illegal I am searching for a reasonable and logical well thought out argument against it. So far I am not convinced.
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If you don't believe a soul exists, I'm not sure I can make any argument that will satisfy you. Best of luck!
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If someone is using the existence of a "soul" as the basis for their argument and is subsequently unable to provide any reasonable supportive evidence to back up their argument, (beyond an equally unsupportable "faith" basis), then they have no basis for their argument other than baseless opinion.
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Prostitution will never be legal in the U.S., I don't think. Legalization confers a sort of legitimacy to it that is against the morals of most Americans. It won't fly. If you decide not to participate in prostitution, then its safety is a moot point. The excuse that it'll happen anyway is childish. There are many awful things that happen in this country every day (rape, murder, illegal drugs, gang murders), but we don't have to condone them or make money off of them.
You are incorrect that it is illegal in the US... Prostitution along with many other criminal laws are held in the jurisdiction of the states and more specifically in each county or other local municipality, not the nation as a whole. Just because most states make it illegal doesn't mean that it is a national law. This is why Nevada allows (and regulates) prostitution in the form of legal brothels (the basis for HBO's Cathouse). There is no law in the US prohibiting prostitution, nor is there a law in Nevada doing the same. However, there is a law in Las Vegas, Navada against prostitution which is why all of the legal brothels are found outside of the city (and I might be wrong in that it is a county law, not just a city law).
I believe that this is the best way to handle these type of laws. In the US, we hold to the ideals of individual freedoms. Thus the country should be open to many things that may be morally reprehensible to some -- provided that it does not harm someone else -- and allow the states and local governments to dictate the laws that represent the ideals of the community. If someone feels that their faith makes prostitution a sin and therefore should not be performed, then that person can refuse to partake. If the members of a town also subscribe to this thought, then the town can create a law against prostitution. If in the neighboring town where it is legal, a person also wishes to raise their family in a wholesome environment, they have the choice by their own freedom to move to the city with stricter moral standards / laws.
Similarly if in Utah they decide that polygamy is in fact ok and perhaps moral for their people, then it should be legal there. And homosexual marriage should be legal in San Francisco. Etc. Also (to the point of the OP stating not to discuss sex between children), the age of consent (the age when the law feels that a "minor" can consent to having sex) is given up to the states. Most states actually have an age of consent set to 16 years of age, not at 18 as most people would think based on other age-of-majority laws. The national government, on the other hand, has set it to 18 for cases that fall into its purview. Thus although it is ok for two teens that are 16 to have consenting sexual intercourse in Washington DC, it is against federal statutes for them to use the mail or e-mail to share pictures of their experience with each other (the federal government's law requires the distribution of pornographic material to have the participants be at least 18 years old).
It is because of our federal government that we had to enact an amendment to the US Constitution to prohibit alcohol (and similarly to repeal prohibition), and why it would require an amendment to prohibit homosexual marriage, prostitution, polygamy, etc. This is also the case why some states are beginning to legalize marijuana. The only national laws against drugs pertain to the transport and distribution of drugs under the commerce clause (which gives the national government the ability to regulate commerce among the states) and since most drugs enter into the country from foreign entities and are moved between different states, the national government can create laws against drug trafficking.
When we say that the sex is between "consenting adults", I take this to mean that to both parties involved feel that they are not being harmed or forced into the decision, and so the freedom to participate is not violating the other person's freedoms. Once it does start infringing on one of the party's freedom, then it is no longer between consenting adults, and can be acted upon by the correct laws (eg rape, extortion, harassment, etc.) of that community.