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I want opinions from gnostics, atheists and christians and other faiths on this bombshell!!!!!!
My personal opinion is this... If God wanted to know the true religion in his book you would think it will appear in more then just 2 places in his book!!!(referring to the bible), fortunately witness appears all over the bible ;D
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Why would God be confused about which religion the Bible refers to? I doubt this is some sort of bombshell.
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If God wanted to know the true religion in his book you would think it will appear in more then just 2 places in his book!!!(referring to the bible), fortunately witness appears all over the bible
So do the words "put to death", "jealousy", "sorceress", "demon", etc...pretty wacky stuff!
I have no idea what this bombshell is that you're talking about though.
Edit: Better not do whatever you're doing in your signature-- don't get banned!!!
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If God wanted to know the true religion in his book you would think it will appear in more then just 2 places in his book!!!(referring to the bible), fortunately witness appears all over the bible
So do the words "put to death", "jealousy", "sorceress", "demon", etc...pretty wacky stuff!
I have no idea what this bombshell is that you're talking about though.
Edit: Better not do whatever you're doing in your signature-- don't get banned!!!
Forget about my sig it's not important, anyway the bombshell is the fact christian only appears twice in the whole bible, the church has been teaching christianity is the true religion for centuries. If it was the true religion you would think God will let people know about it in more then 2 places in the bible!!!! Also Jealously, put to death etc appear in more then 2 places in the bible.
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Also Jealously, put to death etc appear in more then 2 places in the bible.
You think this would be a little more important on the believer's scale-- associating themselves with a book that has these qualities in them. Aside that, I don't really see a bombshell of importance.
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How about this for a bombshell? God figured that we were smart enough to figure out which religion it is, since people called His son Jesus Christ. Christ + (followers of/ ian) = Christian.
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I want opinions from gnostics, atheists and christians and other faiths on this bombshell!!!!!!
My personal opinion is this... If God wanted to know the true religion in his book you would think it will appear in more then just 2 places in his book!!!(referring to the bible), fortunately witness appears all over the bible ;D
I don't think God would be confused about the Bible. Considering that God is fairly knowledgeable, He can could probably figure it out. I guess I'm a bit confused about your opinions.
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How about this for a bombshell? God figured that we were smart enough to figure out which religion it is, since people called His son Jesus Christ. Christ + (followers of/ ian) = Christian.
Even if what you said is true it still only appears(christian) in two places in the bible. Anyone can make up a name and claim they're following Christ without using the word CHRISTIAN.
@Macy: I'm not saying God's confused i'm saying if it was as important as the churches wanted you to believe then it would be in more then two places in the bible. Witness however appears all over the bible in both the Hebrew and Greek canons, however I know the very phrase Jehovah witness doesn't, so i'm just going to be a witness of the word I guess :)
As for my quote it should have read "if God wanted us to know" My intention was to show how important it was for God to include the word christian in the bible for us to know not for God to learn the true religion from his own book Jesus paradox in the trinity btw...
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How about this for a bombshell? God figured that we were smart enough to figure out which religion it is, since people called His son Jesus Christ. Christ + (followers of/ ian) = Christian.
Anyone can make up a name and claim they're following Christ without using the word CHRISTIAN.
Give an example...? You could just as easily say that people who call themselves Christian but don't do a very good job of it shouldn't use the word "Christian".
Regardless, I think God gets to judge who is following Him correctly, not you or me. Isn't there something in the Bible about casting a beam out of your own eye first?
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Just a reminder A "God" did not write the Bible. It was written by humans. I don't care what if any religion it favors. It is just a work of fiction. Go to a public library and look for a Bible. Hint: look next to Aesop's Fables.
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The Bible was written by men under Divine Inspiration.So it is the Word of God.
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The Bible was written by men under Divine Inspiration.So it is the Word of God.
Unless you can substantiate your claim, it's an empty faith-based one.
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How about this for a bombshell? God figured that we were smart enough to figure out which religion it is, since people called His son Jesus Christ. Christ + (followers of/ ian) = Christian.
Anyone can make up a name and claim they're following Christ without using the word CHRISTIAN.
Give an example...? You could just as easily say that people who call themselves Christian but don't do a very good job of it shouldn't use the word "Christian".
Regardless, I think God gets to judge who is following Him correctly, not you or me. Isn't there something in the Bible about casting a beam out of your own eye first?
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Some hindu circles believe Jesus was Khrisna and therefore those who worship Khrisna say they follow christ or worship Christ but don't call themselves Christian. Anyway I never gave my opinion on who's following the most high I simply stated some say that there following Christ but don't call themselves christian. You somehow read or interpreted differently
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I want opinions from gnostics, atheists and christians and other faiths on this bombshell!!!!!!
My personal opinion is this... If God wanted to know the true religion in his book you would think it will appear in more then just 2 places in his book!!!(referring to the bible), fortunately witness appears all over the bible ;D
I don't think this should be an issue.
Is 'bible' or 'religion' found anyhere in it?
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The word Christian is mentioned twice (Acts 26:28, and I Peter 4:16), both New Testament.
The word Christians (plural) is mentioned once in Acts 11:26, saying that Christ's disciples were called Christians FIRST in Antioch.
How can people be called Christians in the Old Testament when Christ had not come yet to bring Salvation? His death, burial and resurrection happened in the New Testament and after he arose, His followers are called Christians. The "title" was first applied in Acts, which is the birth of the church and those redeemed by the Blood of Christ. The word Christian means to be "Christ like". The saved, redeemed, blood washed, saints, heirs of Salvation, righteous, and Children of the most high, etc, are also words in the Bible referring to Christians.
The word "witness" has many meanings according to the Hebrew and Greek interpretations of the Bible. Mostly witnesses were always required at family dealings of inheritance, buying and selling, family events like weddings and deaths, etc, as well as being a witness for God.
I don't understand your hang up on the number of times a word is mentioned in the Bible and the significance of it's importance if it's mentioned many times or not. That doesn't make sense. It's the plan of Salvation that is important and saving of mankind.
Note: The hare krishna's do not follow Christ but an Indian/hindu god called krishna. Their belief does not even consider a son of God.
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The word Christian is mentioned twice (Acts 26:28, and I Peter 4:16), both New Testament.
The word Christians (plural) is mentioned once in Acts 11:26, saying that Christ's disciples were called Christians FIRST in Antioch.
How can people be called Christians in the Old Testament when Christ had not come yet to bring Salvation? His death, burial and resurrection happened in the New Testament and after he arose, His followers are called Christians. The "title" was first applied in Acts, which is the birth of the church and those redeemed by the Blood of Christ. The word Christian means to be "Christ like". The saved, redeemed, blood washed, saints, heirs of Salvation, righteous, and Children of the most high, etc, are also words in the Bible referring to Christians.
The word "witness" has many meanings according to the Hebrew and Greek interpretations of the Bible. Mostly witnesses were always required at family dealings of inheritance, buying and selling, family events like weddings and deaths, etc, as well as being a witness for God.
I don't understand your hang up on the number of times a word is mentioned in the Bible and the significance of it's importance if it's mentioned many times or not. That doesn't make sense. It's the plan of Salvation that is important and saving of mankind.
Note: The hare krishna's do not follow Christ but an Indian/hindu god called krishna. Their belief does not even consider a son of God.
Very good post,Annella.The type of thinking in the original post is typical of those who want to deny the Trinity.The word is not in the Bible,yet the concept is very clearly defined in Scripture.
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Teflonfanatic is a Jehovah's Witness and tries to plug his religion. That's okay if it's done correctly and not try to "twist" Biblical scripture to bring that about. Also not to add to it or take from it.
Example: The name Lucifer is only mentioned once in the Bible as that's the name God gave him when he was in favor with God and anointed to be the "Covering Cherub". Now he is called the devil, satan, evil one, serpent, dragon, etc., in the Bible. A name or word in the Bible can have various meanings if you research/study it out. Also, the translation and interpretation of the language of the age it was written and take into account the customs and times of the day as the Bible covers the beginning and end of time and times.
I've noticed that I'm in D&D and do not want to be. I will leave you now and keep a better watch where I'm at.
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That's okay if it's done correctly and not try to "twist" Biblical scripture to bring that about. Also not to add to it or take from it.
Example: The name Lucifer is only mentioned once in the Bible as that's the name God gave him when he was in favor with God and anointed to be the "Covering Cherub".
If that was an example of twisting or, adding to it then I concur; "Lucifer" is a latin word meaning "daystar or, bringer of light". 'In Roman astronomy, Lucifer was the name given to the morning star (the star we now know by another Roman name, Venus). The morning star appears in the heavens just before dawn, heralding the rising sun. The name derives from the Latin term lucem ferre, bringer, or bearer, of light." In the Hebrew text the expression used to describe the Babylonian king before his death is Helal, son of Shahar, which can best be translated as "Day star, son of the Dawn."'
The scholars authorized by King James I to translate the Bible into current English did not use the original Hebrew texts, but used versions translated largely by St. Jerome in the fourth century. Jerome had mistranslated the Hebraic metaphor, "Day star, son of the Dawn," as "Lucifer," and over the centuries a disingenuous metamorphosis took place. Lucifer the morning star became a disobedient angel, cast out of heaven to rule eternally in hell. Theologians, writers, and poets interwove the myth with the doctrine of the Fall, and in Christian tradition Lucifer is now the same as Satan, the Devil, and --- ironically --- the Prince of Darkness.'
That's some 'twist' alright; from light to darkness.
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I've noticed that I'm in D&D and do not want to be. I will leave you now and keep a better watch where I'm at.
Good. Take your child-killing witchcraft with you.
Falcon9-- it's not worth your time responding to her. She's a despicable liar and a strong supporter and promoter of faith healing (she said it cured someone of AIDS). Cancerous to any legitimate argument. Need I say more?
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@annella: Didn't have enough room to copy your post... the number of times a word appears in the bible does denote significance, for example the tetragrammation appears more then any other name or title and a part of it is even in the phrase Hallelujah. Also for awhile followers of Christ used the term "the way" instead of Christian. For that reason I don't see the need for the word Christian to be stressed. Following Christ on the other hand should be stressed however and it is nice that they received the title "christians" by divine providence as Acts 11:26 points out(feel a bit like a jerk...) however it's still not used a lot especially compared to say resurrection which occurs 68 times, that's all i'm saying.
Also more about the belief that SOME hindu circles believe Jesus was Krishna(I don't believe this btw)
http://hinduism.about.com/od/lordkrishna/a/christ_krishna.htm
P.S. Contrary to my own belief on the word, Jehovah's Witnesses do teach that they are Christians and associate the true religion with christianity, they just believe everything else Christian is the same or similiar to the religious leaders of Jesus day.
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I've noticed that I'm in D&D and do not want to be. I will leave you now and keep a better watch where I'm at.
Good. Take your child-killing witchcraft with you.
Falcon9-- it's not worth your time responding to her. She's a despicable liar and a strong supporter and promoter of faith healing (she said it cured someone of AIDS). Cancerous to any legitimate argument. Need I say more?
Ah, no wonder she is doing a hasty hit-and-run retreat from D+D. Although I haven't observed what you have regarding her pronouncements, the opportunity presented itself to convert her odd definition into a more accurate one.
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I'm not doing a hasty hit and run in D&D. I left D&D voluntarily sometime ago by choice. I do not get into discussions anymore where there is no end to debate between Christians and non believers who have once been believers and now are haters and blasphemers of God. We are to turn from such.
I'm a Minister of the Gospel and do believe everything in the Bible including healing by Christ today. I have witnessed it numerous times over.
falcon9: You did NOT turn my definition into a more accurate one even though you want to appear all knowing in your response. You are clearly trying to refute the Bible and it's accuracy and your unbelief comes through loud and clear.
Real soon now all things will be revealed and I can hardly wait!
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I'm not doing a hasty hit and run in D&D. I left D&D voluntarily sometime ago by choice. I do not get into discussions anymore where there is no end to debate between Christians and non believers who have once been believers and now are haters and blasphemers of God. We are to turn from such.
You announced you were not staying. Apparently, you stayed long enough to post this excuse for not having the courage of your convictions. Stay or go, your choice. (Btw, this is "D+D" - not to be confused with Dungeons & Dragons D&D ... although I can see some similarities).
I'm a Minister of the Gospel and do believe everything in the Bible including healing by Christ today. I have witnessed it numerous times over.
I find your unsupported claim to have "witnessed" "healing by christ" to be dubious.
falcon9: You did NOT turn my definition into a more accurate one even though you want to appear all knowing in your response.
I provided the accurate translation of a latin word, (Lucifer). You provided some vague nonsense about a "cherub" mentioned in a specious source.
You are clearly trying to refute the Bible and it's accuracy and your unbelief comes through loud and clear.
Well, at least you have a grasp of the bluntly obvious. You are correct in that I don't believe one word from your fictional source.
Real soon now all things will be revealed and I can hardly wait!
Really? This isn't going to be another 'doomday prophesy', is it? When, exactly, is yours predicted to be?
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appears in the bible does denote significance, for example the tetragrammation appears more then any other name or title and a part of it is even in the phrase Hallelujah. Also for awhile followers of Christ used the term "the way" instead of Christian. For that reason I don't see the need for the word Christian to be stressed. Following Christ on the other hand should be stressed however and it is nice that they received the title "christians" by divine providence as Acts 11:26 points out(feel a bit like a jerk...) however it's still not used a lot especially compared to say resurrection which occurs 68 times, that's all i'm saying.
Also more about the belief that SOME hindu circles believe Jesus was Krishna(I don't believe this btw)
http://hinduism.about.com/od/lordkrishna/a/christ_krishna.htm
P.S. Contrary to my own belief on the word, Jehovah's Witnesses do teach that they are Christians and associate the true religion with christianity, they just believe everything else Christian is the same or similiar to the religious leaders of Jesus day.
I remember "The Way" being popular around the 70's and 80's. It was taken from that scripture: "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me". JOHN 14:6 I even remember some Bibles being published around that time with "THE WAY" on the covers instead of the word "Bible".
Some churches have their own names for their followers like: Mormons, Presbyterians, Lutherans, etc. I'm Pentecostal, or some have called us Holy Rollers, Tongue Talkers, Jesus Jumpers, etc. I don't really care, as long as my Heavenly Father knows my name and calls me His own. That's what is important.
Like I said, the word "Christian" in the Bible did not come into play until after the resurrection and the birth of the church. However the Bible refers to Christians as also: the redeemed, saved, royal priesthood, heirs to Salvation, heirs of Christ, the sanctified, the blood washed, the forgiven, and many other titles that refer to believers.
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I'm not doing a hasty hit and run in D&D. I left D&D voluntarily sometime ago by choice. I do not get into discussions anymore where there is no end to debate between Christians and non believers who have once been believers and now are haters and blasphemers of God. We are to turn from such.
You announced you were not staying. Apparently, you stayed long enough to post this excuse for not having the courage of your convictions. Stay or go, your choice. (Btw, this is "D+D" - not to be confused with Dungeons & Dragons D&D ... although I can see some similarities).
I'm a Minister of the Gospel and do believe everything in the Bible including healing by Christ today. I have witnessed it numerous times over.
I find your unsupported claim to have "witnessed" "healing by christ" to be dubious.
falcon9: You did NOT turn my definition into a more accurate one even though you want to appear all knowing in your response.
I provided the accurate translation of a latin word, (Lucifer). You provided some vague nonsense about a "cherub" mentioned in a specious source.
You are clearly trying to refute the Bible and it's accuracy and your unbelief comes through loud and clear.
Well, at least you have a grasp of the bluntly obvious. You are correct in that I don't believe one word from your fictional source.
Real soon now all things will be revealed and I can hardly wait!
Really? This isn't going to be another 'doomday prophesy', is it? When, exactly, is yours predicted to be?
All you have to do is check the history in D&D to know I have the courage of my convictions. However, I do not discuss or debate with unbelievers or those who do not believe the Word of God. I will witness to someone who is hungry or searching but have no time for those who want only to blaspheme God and take any opportunity to put down Christians or their beliefs of which they count sport.
I'm not a doomsday prophet but anyone can see that our world is in trouble and things are about to get worse. Nobody knows the day or the hour, but believers are not ignorant of the signs manifested in the days we are living and the correlation of Biblical prophesy. The unbelievers will scoff until that time takes them unaware and then it's too late.
Since you do not believe the Bible, anything I post would be moot, so have a nice evening..........I'm out.
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All you have to do is check the history in D&D ...
No history of your posts can be found in the current D&D forums. If, however you are referring to D+D, I haven't looked at any of your old posts as yet. Presumably, they are much like your current posts in that you eschew actual "debate + discussion" in order to evangelicize instead.
... to know I have the courage of my convictions. However, I do not discuss or debate with unbelievers
If you are unwilling to discuss or debate your convictions, perhaps you fear that they cannot withstand reasoned dispute.
I will witness to someone who is hungry or searching but have no time for those who want only to blaspheme God and take any opportunity to put down Christians or their beliefs of which they count sport.
As previously mentioned, this forum is D+D, not 'witness & evangelize'. Debate & discussion isn't necessarily a "sport" however, it might be a bit unsporting to point out that xtians are nominally unable to support their blind faith.
I'm not a doomsday prophet but anyone can see that our world is in trouble and things are about to get worse. Nobody knows the day or the hour, but believers are not ignorant of the signs manifested in the days we are living and the correlation of Biblical prophesy. The unbelievers will scoff until that time takes them unaware and then it's too late.
Perhaps you are unaware of numerous prior predictions of such 'end times signs' which fell somewhat short of manifesting the end or, maybe you aren't. Either way, there have always been troubled times throughout history and such predictions are often scoffed at because they haven't come about. Are you completely unable to consider the possibility that 'biblical prophesy' is vague and inaccurate? <-- moot question
Since you do not believe the Bible, anything I post would be moot, so have a nice evening..........I'm out.
Since the "bible" is a collection of parables and unsubstantiated declarations, (false claims), anything I post in refutation would have to be remain unseen by blind faith.
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appears in the bible does denote significance, for example the tetragrammation appears more then any other name or title and a part of it is even in the phrase Hallelujah. Also for awhile followers of Christ used the term "the way" instead of Christian. For that reason I don't see the need for the word Christian to be stressed. Following Christ on the other hand should be stressed however and it is nice that they received the title "christians" by divine providence as Acts 11:26 points out(feel a bit like a jerk...) however it's still not used a lot especially compared to say resurrection which occurs 68 times, that's all i'm saying.
Also more about the belief that SOME hindu circles believe Jesus was Krishna(I don't believe this btw)
http://hinduism.about.com/od/lordkrishna/a/christ_krishna.htm
P.S. Contrary to my own belief on the word, Jehovah's Witnesses do teach that they are Christians and associate the true religion with christianity, they just believe everything else Christian is the same or similiar to the religious leaders of Jesus day.
I remember "The Way" being popular around the 70's and 80's. It was taken from that scripture: "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me". JOHN 14:6 I even remember some Bibles being published around that time with "THE WAY" on the covers instead of the word "Bible".
Some churches have their own names for their followers like: Mormons, Presbyterians, Lutherans, etc. I'm Pentecostal, or some have called us Holy Rollers, Tongue Talkers, Jesus Jumpers, etc. I don't really care, as long as my Heavenly Father knows my name and calls me His own. That's what is important.
Like I said, the word "Christian" in the Bible did not come into play until after the resurrection and the birth of the church. However the Bible refers to Christians as also: the redeemed, saved, royal priesthood, heirs to Salvation, heirs of Christ, the sanctified, the blood washed, the forgiven, and many other titles that refer to believers.
I agree with all of this and your right christian wasn't used until after the resurrection occured(actually long after the resurrection...), however before that it was called the way(not trying to downplay the word christian however especially after you showed me Acts 11:26 :-[)
Acts 9:1-2 reads 9 But Saul, still breathing threat and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest 2 and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, in order that he might bring bound to Jerusalem any whom he found who belonged to The Way, both men and women.
Other examples Acts 19:9
P.S. I just realized the phrase "the way" is used as much as Christian at least in the religious since, i've truly made a fool of myself :-X
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Ah, no wonder she is doing a hasty hit-and-run retreat from D+D. Although I haven't observed what you have regarding her pronouncements, the opportunity presented itself to convert her odd definition into a more accurate one.
It's kind of a long story, but most of the 'veteran' users here know of her (literally) evil ways and she wasted a lot of time with praising and promoting witchcraft, exhaggerating claims of others (who had to come back into the thread and set the story straight), lying left and right, causing verbal fights when met with basic skepticism of her claims, etc etc.
I know we're supposed to be respectful of other users on this forum, but if you were there when it happened, you probably wouldn't even be posting back to her due to the wretched and adamantly-arrogant behavior. Furthest from a decent voice for Christianity. :angry7:
All you have to do is check the history in D&D to know I have the courage of my convictions. However, I do not discuss or debate with unbelievers
If you are unwilling to discuss or debate your convictions, perhaps you fear that they cannot withstand reasoned dispute.
Case in point. Don't tap the rabid dog even if you have a +3 sword.
(http://www.fuduntu.org/forum/images/smilies/user83559_pic43268_1255723460.gif)
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Ah, no wonder she is doing a hasty hit-and-run retreat from D+D. Although I haven't observed what you have regarding her pronouncements, the opportunity presented itself to convert her odd definition into a more accurate one.
It's kind of a long story, but most of the 'veteran' users here know of her (literally) evil ways and she wasted a lot of time with praising and promoting witchcraft, exhaggerating claims of others (who had to come back into the thread and set the story straight), lying left and right, causing verbal fights when met with basic skepticism of her claims, etc etc.
I know we're supposed to be respectful of other users on this forum, but if you were there when it happened, you probably wouldn't even be posting back to her due to the wretched and adamantly-arrogant behavior. Furthest from a decent voice for Christianity. :angry7:
All you have to do is check the history in D&D to know I have the courage of my convictions. However, I do not discuss or debate with unbelievers
If you are unwilling to discuss or debate your convictions, perhaps you fear that they cannot withstand reasoned dispute.
Case in point. Don't tap the rabid dog even if you have a +3 sword.
(http://www.fuduntu.org/forum/images/smilies/user83559_pic43268_1255723460.gif)
The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his Lord. It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his Lord. If they have called the master of the house (Jesus) Beelzebub (a devil), how much more shall they call them of his household? Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed, and hid, that shall not be known. What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
Matthew 10:24-27
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It's kind of a long story, but most of the 'veteran' users here know of her (literally) evil ways and she wasted a lot of time with praising and promoting witchcraft, exhaggerating claims of others (who had to come back into the thread and set the story straight), lying left and right, causing verbal fights when met with basic skepticism of her claims, etc etc.
Well, I'm a veteran of some of the 'roughest' usenet newsgroups extant and have seen such 'trolling' before, (even if I haven't been here long enough to see but a few example's of hers). It's odd however, that you've mentioned witchcraft twice in reference to someone who claims to be a xtian minister now. That's a helluva paradigm shift!
I know we're supposed to be respectful of other users on this forum, but if you were there when it happened, you probably wouldn't even be posting back to her due to the wretched and adamantly-arrogant behavior. Furthest from a decent voice for Christianity. :angry7:
As I'd mentioned, I've probably seen as bad or worse in the alt.* usenet hierarchy. Though I appreciate the heads-up, man.
All you have to do is check the history in D&D to know I have the courage of my convictions. However, I do not discuss or debate with unbelievers
If you are unwilling to discuss or debate your convictions, perhaps you fear that they cannot withstand reasoned dispute.
Case in point. Don't tap the rabid dog even if you have a +3 sword.
(http://www.fuduntu.org/forum/images/smilies/user83559_pic43268_1255723460.gif) [/quote]
What's she going do, thump a bible loudly at us here? Whoops, she did indeed in 'reply' to your post, (albeit, it didn't directly relate to the content of your post but then, I have seen that particular ruse before too).
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The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his Lord. It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his Lord. If they have called the master of the house (Jesus) Beelzebub (a devil), how much more shall they call them of his household? Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed, and hid, that shall not be known. What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
Sad to see that nothing changes with the arrogant fanatics. Hide behind your bible as you head out the door, plz.
Well, I'm a veteran of some of the 'roughest' usenet newsgroups extant and have seen such 'trolling' before, (even if I haven't been here long enough to see but a few example's of hers). It's odd however, that you've mentioned witchcraft twice in reference to someone who claims to be a xtian minister now. That's a helluva paradigm shift!
Good to know-- I notice a lot of excellent debaters on this forum tend to come from Usenet and I see you are no exception! But the witchcraft thing-- as I stated earlier it had to do with faith healing and particularly the branch that admits that they've cured people with terrible illnesses. I don't understand how any decent person could preach that brand of magical-thinking when faced with accounts of children dying and the obvious falseness of it shown by sources like James Randi. Christian witchcraft is still witchcraft in the same sense that an 'act of god' is still a magical miracle. One is just more 'primitively dangerous' when preached imo.
What's she going do, thump a bible loudly at us here? Whoops, she did indeed in 'reply' to your post,
Heh...yep!
As I'd mentioned, I've probably seen as bad or worse in the alt.* usenet hierarchy. Though I appreciate the heads-up, man.
Now you've got me curious. Have any tales to tell?
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I notice a lot of excellent debaters on this forum tend to come from Usenet and I see you are no exception!
Having arrived on unmoderated usenet with no illusions, most of the 'flame-wars' vets either further honed their skills in critical thinking or, metaphorically perished under the wheels.
But the witchcraft thing-- as I stated earlier it had to do with faith healing and particularly the branch that admits that they've cured people with terrible illnesses. I don't understand how any decent person could preach that brand of magical-thinking when faced with accounts of children dying and the obvious falseness of it shown by sources like James Randi. Christian witchcraft is still witchcraft in the same sense that an 'act of god' is still a magical miracle. One is just more 'primitively dangerous' when preached imo.
Oh, you mean her pentecostal claims? If so, 'speaking in tongues' in D+D won't do her a whole lot of good. As far as the ambiguous claims of "faith healing" go, those would be extremely difficult to substantiate on a text forum. Especially if the claimaint merely insists that her 'word' be taken for it. In regards to "christian witchcraft", it may be another one of those 'assimulation' tactics early xtians used on previous pagans.
What's she going do, thump a bible loudly at us here? Whoops, she did indeed in 'reply' to your post,
Heh...yep!
As I'd mentioned, I've probably seen as bad or worse in the alt.* usenet hierarchy. Though I appreciate the heads-up, man.
Now you've got me curious. Have any tales to tell?
Well, the alt hierarchy is generally unmoderated, (which essentially means, no holds barred). That includes the spammers, the cross-posting xtians and others from various other newsgroups and what's euphemistically referred to as "flame-wars". Although some intense debates do occur from time to time, it has recently evolved into trading insults and such. Before that advent, I'd spent about a decade on various newsgroups providing those who make unsupported opinion pronouncements with something they apparently hadn't experienced as yet; reasoned dispute and challenges to their empty assertions. It wouldn't surprise me one bit were some refugees from the usenet wars to end up on FC, (for instance).
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Falconer, while you are a great one to debate with at times, I think it very unfair of you to jump on Annella like you did with your ugly words, when she was responding to the poster who asked the question. She was not arguing with him or you or anyone else. She's entiltled to posting in whatever thread of this forum she wishes - just as you do. Then you agitate things more by telling falcon9 things of her which are false. This was teflonfanatic's thread to discuss his opinion or question, not a lambast thread on someone else.
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Falconer: Then you agitate things more by telling falcon9 things of her which are false.
Which things are you disputing as false? Annella has posted about being pentecostal, faith healing and speaking in tongues. Falconeer mentioned previous lying/exaggerating the claims or statements of others, (before my arrival here), and "promoting witchcraft". I asked him about the witchcraft thing as that sparked my curiousity, (as far as so-called "christian witchcraft" goes).
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Falconer: Then you agitate things more by telling falcon9 things of her which are false.
Which things are you disputing as false? Annella has posted about being pentecostal, faith healing and speaking in tongues. Falconeer mentioned previous lying/exaggerating the claims or statements of others, (before my arrival here), and "promoting witchcraft". I asked him about the witchcraft thing as that sparked my curiousity, (as far as so-called "christian witchcraft" goes).
No......I have posted what the Bible says, and that it is still applicable today. It's not false to me, because I believe every word of the Bible....and live it. If you want to call it false, then that is your choice. Your unbelief is your OWN.
Our church follows the Bible explicitly. Healing, being filled with the Holy Ghost (speaking in tongues), etc., are Biblical writings that are for us today. I can no more deny they happen today, than I can deny my Jesus. Since I'm walking around with the Holy Ghost inside me, and have witnessed the absolute power of God not just healing, but many miracles, then I'm a direct contradiction against what you believe. So be it. Again, it's your own free choice, and my free choice.
Thank you Julie for your love and solidarity. You are correct, as I can post in here whenever it pleases me and nobody can tell me otherwise. This is a public forum and anybody can post whatever/wherever/whenever they want. Thing is, it's a time waster and I have better things to do with my time then to spin the same old wheels.
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Falconer: Then you agitate things more by telling falcon9 things of her which are false.
Which things are you disputing as false? Annella has posted about being pentecostal, faith healing and speaking in tongues. Falconeer mentioned previous lying/exaggerating the claims or statements of others, (before my arrival here), and "promoting witchcraft". I asked him about the witchcraft thing as that sparked my curiousity, (as far as so-called "christian witchcraft" goes).
No......I have posted what the Bible says, and that it is still applicable today. It's not false to me, because I believe every word of the Bible....and live it. If you want to call it false, then that is your choice. Your unbelief is your OWN.
Yes, I'm aware that most pentecostals believe the 'bible' is inerrant. Such a belief is an unsupported claim. As a result of the Scientific and Technological Revolutions of the 18th and 19th centuries, various episodes of the Bible, (for example the Noahide world wide flood, the creation in 6 days, and the creation of women from a man's rib), have in scientific circles been recognised as legendary. This led to an increasing questioning as to the veracity of Biblical texts. According to an article in Theology Today published in 1975, "There have been long periods in the history of the church when biblical inerrancy has not been a critical question. It has in fact been noted that only in the last two centuries can we legitimately speak of a formal doctrine of inerrancy. The arguments pro and con have filled many books, and almost anyone can join in the debate." Almost anyone.
Our church follows the Bible explicitly. Healing, being filled with the Holy Ghost (speaking in tongues), etc., are Biblical writings that are for us today.
Apparently, those sorts of claims are what Falconeer02 was obliquely referring to. What does you 'inerrant bible' have to say about "suffering a witch to live"?
This is a public forum and anybody can post whatever/wherever/whenever they want.
Thing is, it's a time waster and I have better things to do with my time then to spin the same old wheels.
Maybe your wheels are out of alignment and over-inflated then.
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Oh, you mean her pentecostal claims? If so, 'speaking in tongues' in D+D won't do her a whole lot of good. As far as the ambiguous claims of "faith healing" go, those would be extremely difficult to substantiate on a text forum. Especially if the claimaint merely insists that her 'word' be taken for it. In regards to "christian witchcraft", it may be another one of those 'assimulation' tactics early xtians used on previous pagans.
Yes. I could be wrong but if I recall correctly, she runs rampant with this lunacy around the country.
Well, the alt hierarchy is generally unmoderated, (which essentially means, no holds barred). That includes the spammers, the cross-posting xtians and others from various other newsgroups and what's euphemistically referred to as "flame-wars". Although some intense debates do occur from time to time, it has recently evolved into trading insults and such. Before that advent, I'd spent about a decade on various newsgroups providing those who make unsupported opinion pronouncements with something they apparently hadn't experienced as yet; reasoned dispute and challenges to their empty assertions. It wouldn't surprise me one bit were some refugees from the usenet wars to end up on FC, (for instance
Ever been to the SomethingAwful forums?
Falconer, while you are a great one to debate with at times, I think it very unfair of you to jump on Annella like you did with your ugly words
What can I say? The truth is pretty harsh sometimes. I give respect to people that deserve respect. You are a fine example of a woman that's deserving of respect. A person who promotes very dangerous snake-oil lies that have been proven false countless times is a monster.
Maybe your wheels are out of alignment and over-inflated then.
There really are no wheels in this metaphor. She's just grinding metal and thinks it's good for everyone.
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Oh, you mean her pentecostal claims? If so, 'speaking in tongues' in D+D won't do her a whole lot of good. As far as the ambiguous claims of "faith healing" go, those would be extremely difficult to substantiate on a text forum. Especially if the claimaint merely insists that her 'word' be taken for it. In regards to "christian witchcraft", it may be another one of those 'assimulation' tactics early xtians used on previous pagans.
Yes. I could be wrong but if I recall correctly, she runs rampant with this lunacy around the country.
It seems as though there ae at least two buyers for every purveyer of snake oil.
Ever been to the SomethingAwful forums?
Not as yet. Are they moderated?
[quote from jcribb]Falconer, while you are a great one to debate with at times, I think it very unfair of you to jump on Annella like you did with your ugly words[/quote]
What can I say? The truth is pretty harsh sometimes. I give respect to people that deserve respect. You are a fine example of a woman that's deserving of respect. A person who promotes very dangerous snake-oil lies that have been proven false countless times is a monster.
Maybe your wheels are out of alignment and over-inflated then.
There really are no wheels in this metaphor. She's just grinding metal and thinks it's good for everyone.
That was in response to her spinning her own wheels however, her unawareness of grinding metal just means that she'll throw a rod sooner or later.
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Falconer, while you are a great one to debate with at times, I think it very unfair of you to jump on Annella like you did with your ugly words, when she was responding to the poster who asked the question. She was not arguing with him or you or anyone else. She's entiltled to posting in whatever thread of this forum she wishes - just as you do. Then you agitate things more by telling falcon9 things of her which are false. This was teflonfanatic's thread to discuss his opinion or question, not a lambast thread on someone else.
Well considering Annela destroyed my OP, everything else I talk about now is question instead of opinion. Anyway we both know Falconor can't say away from topics that talk about something that "doesn't exist" ;D(sarcasm).
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It seems as though there ae at least two buyers for every purveyer of snake oil.
Indeed.
Not as yet. Are they moderated?
Yeah. The best forum on the internet imo. It's where I first heard about FC. Apparently some users over there own FC or something around those lines. Your posts just remind me of a lot of the constructed political/religious/scientific/philosophical/etc. debate posts I see there. That's why I was originally wondering if you had been there.
Anyway we both know Falconor can't say away from topics that talk about something that "doesn't exist"
Peoples' empty beliefs that they cling to don't exist? Seeing how this thread is one, I think I missed your point. :P
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The best forum on the internet imo. It's where I first heard about FC. Apparently some users over there own FC or something around those lines. Your posts just remind me of a lot of the constructed political/religious/scientific/philosophical/etc. debate posts I see there. That's why I was originally wondering if you had been there.
I did go and glance at the outer forum, (only members can look further), to consider whether or not becoming a member would soon get me banned. Heh.
Posted by teflonfanatic:
Anyway we both know Falconor can't say away from topics that talk about something that "doesn't exist"
Peoples' empty beliefs that they cling to don't exist? Seeing how this thread is one, I think I missed your point. :P
As someone else previously specified; the empty beliefs exist because they cannot provide evidence that _what_ those beliefs are in exists. Its a subtle difference; like when someone tells a hallucinating person that their belief in seeing something that isn't there exists but, that doesn't mean that they are actually seeing something that exists in reality. Now, go feed your invisible pink unicorn in your garage ... that critter must be starving if its existence depends upon belief that it exists.
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The best forum on the internet imo. It's where I first heard about FC. Apparently some users over there own FC or something around those lines. Your posts just remind me of a lot of the constructed political/religious/scientific/philosophical/etc. debate posts I see there. That's why I was originally wondering if you had been there.
I did go and glance at the outer forum, (only members can look further), to consider whether or not becoming a member would soon get me banned. Heh.
Posted by teflonfanatic:
Anyway we both know Falconor can't say away from topics that talk about something that "doesn't exist"
Peoples' empty beliefs that they cling to don't exist? Seeing how this thread is one, I think I missed your point. :P
As someone else previously specified; the empty beliefs exist because they cannot provide evidence that _what_ those beliefs are in exists. Its a subtle difference; like when someone tells a hallucinating person that their belief in seeing something that isn't there exists but, that doesn't mean that they are actually seeing something that exists in reality. Now, go feed your invisible pink unicorn in your garage ... that critter must be starving if its existence depends upon belief that it exists.
The point is you guys can't stay away from topics that talk about things that don't exist, even if your right(which your not) your still in these threads posting...
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Peoples' empty beliefs that they cling to don't exist? Seeing how this thread is one, I think I missed your point. :P
As someone else previously specified; the empty beliefs exist because they cannot provide evidence that _what_ those beliefs are in exists. Its a subtle difference; like when someone tells a hallucinating person that their belief in seeing something that isn't there exists but, that doesn't mean that they are actually seeing something that exists in reality. Now, go feed your invisible pink unicorn in your garage ... that critter must be starving if its existence depends upon belief that it exists.
The point is you guys can't stay away from topics that talk about things that don't exist, even if your right(which your not) your still in these threads posting...
And yet ironically, here you are posting about things that are unlikely to exist ... what a coincidence.
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The word Christian is mentioned twice (Acts 26:28, and I Peter 4:16), both New Testament.
The word Christians (plural) is mentioned once in Acts 11:26, saying that Christ's disciples were called Christians FIRST in Antioch.
How can people be called Christians in the Old Testament when Christ had not come yet to bring Salvation? His death, burial and resurrection happened in the New Testament and after he arose, His followers are called Christians. The "title" was first applied in Acts, which is the birth of the church and those redeemed by the Blood of Christ. The word Christian means to be "Christ like". The saved, redeemed, blood washed, saints, heirs of Salvation, righteous, and Children of the most high, etc, are also words in the Bible referring to Christians.
The word "witness" has many meanings according to the Hebrew and Greek interpretations of the Bible. Mostly witnesses were always required at family dealings of inheritance, buying and selling, family events like weddings and deaths, etc, as well as being a witness for God.
I don't understand your hang up on the number of times a word is mentioned in the Bible and the significance of it's importance if it's mentioned many times or not. That doesn't make sense. It's the plan of Salvation that is important and saving of mankind.
Note: The hare krishna's do not follow Christ but an Indian/hindu god called krishna. Their belief does not even consider a son of God.
Well said. Also when they called them "Christians" it was not said in praise. Religion is not important to God. Following and serving Him is and He who knows Jesus know the Father.
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Religion is not important to God. Following and serving Him is ...
"Definition of RELIGION:
(1): the service and worship of God or the supernatural
(2): commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance" -
- merriam-webster
Your comments are mutually contradictive, according to the meaning of the term "religion". Either the 'commitment' to following the religion and specifically "serving" are not important to the alleged deity or, they are. You can't have it both ways unless you're choosing to be irrational - or, implying that the deity is. {hi, 'Abrupt'} :wave:
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The point is you guys can't stay away from topics that talk about things that don't exist
We just feel the need to post on threads that show a complete lack of rationale. Besides, I'd rather post in D+D than on threads titled "WHATS YORE FAVORIT COLOR??? :-D"
even if your right(which your not) your still in these threads posting...
Certainly one who says we're wrong would have proof to back up their claim. Certainly you cannot since you have a history here of being wrong when it comes to world history and practically every branch of science-- not to mention belonging to a religion that was based around constantly false prophecies. But you've consistantly ignored your obvious faults in reasoning, so I don't see the point of arguing with someone who refuses to learn anything except what their religion tells them to learn (filtered of course).
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The word christian refers to followers of Christ...what dose how many times its mentioned in the bible have anything to do with what God is telling people to believe in??
And honestly i can dispel "witness" just read the bible not the bible they took bits and peices out of "the witness bible"
And as far as who wrote the bible. men wrote the bible who were inspired by God..its God brethed words...and you can ask any logical person in all realilty there is no proof that God DOSE NOT exist..while the bible is proof...
We all got here some how..even scientist say everything that has matter starts with energy..so the "big band theroy" which is called A THEORY for a reason..dosnt make sense..you CAN NOT GET SOMETHING OUT OF NOTHING!!...if this whole big bang theroy is ture and we are all evolved form monkeys then why are there still monkeys here??!!...
Ugh..i sugguest that ppl got off there high horse and start looking for something more..when you die..you either go to heaven or hell...if you want eteranl salvation you better look to Jesus
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...and you can ask any logical person in all realilty there is no proof that God DOSE NOT exist..while the bible is proof...
The burden of proof is not on those who dispute the ones who claim 'god "dose" exist', according to logical usage. The "bible" does not constitute "proof" or evidence to support the claim, (of being "inspired by god"). Therefore, in lieu of conclusive evidence, the logical conclusion is to disregard unsubstantiated claims.
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the "big band theroy"
Is this some sort of music theory? Because I LOVE big band music!
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Quote from: jfreek777 on Today at 04:57:20 pm
the "big band theroy"
Is this some sort of music theory? Because I LOVE big band music!
It must be the one that posits all music originated from the energy of a single note and that note emerged out of 'white-noise' due to the interactions of chaos.
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this to me means nothing jesus was a jew not a christian