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How do people feel about this? I like their main argument (holding businesses accountable), but it's really sad to see the media displaying the hippie, marxist ideas. It's a shame it had to happen like this.
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The whole thing happened in my city (Seattle) and they didn't even tell me first. To this day I'm grossly uninformed about the movement--All I know is they are protesting something, and they feel unjustified...
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I think its moronic!!! :star:
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There was a small protest here with about 30 people. Heard they received everyhing from cars honking in support from people yelling at them to get a job. The original premise of the protest was a good one. Now, it has been overblown and deeply politicized. A shame.
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There was a small protest here with about 30 people. Heard they received everyhing from cars honking in support from people yelling at them to get a job. The original premise of the protest was a good one. Now, it has been overblown and deeply politicized. A shame.
Overblown and politicized? How? The Occupy movement is very apolitical- it's a true grassroots movement and hasn't been coopted.
Proud member of #OccupyCleveland right here.
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i think it's great..the guys on stock market have put this country in distress many times due to speculation. speculation is what caused the great depression. speculation is what caused gas to go over 4 a gallon..i think they need to be punished...by trying to drive up profits in the stock market, they've run the country in the dirt. :BangHead:
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i think it's great..the guys on stock market have put this country in distress many times due to speculation. speculation is what caused the great depression. speculation is what caused gas to go over 4 a gallon..i think they need to be punished...by trying to drive up profits in the stock market, they've run the country in the dirt. :BangHead:
And yet even the most devout of liberals, when posed the question of whether speculation should be outlawed will immediately respond with a forceful "NO". If you don't know the reason why then you have no business at all discussing speculation as you are obviously entirely unfamiliar with it besides it being used in some politician's or political agendas talking points and rhetoric. Do you understand the risk involved in speculation and just how much knowledge and skill must be put in to accurate predict prices years into the future? Do you know what happens if they predict incorrectly? Are you aware that without speculation many farms would go out of business and the cost of food would increase and there would be some items unavailable?
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Overblown and politicized? How? The Occupy movement is very apolitical- it's a true grassroots movement and hasn't been coopted.
Proud member of #OccupyCleveland right here.
I have to politely disagree with you. I see this as the left's response to the Tea Party. It's not a bad thing, but the politics definitely lean left. Just like the way the Tea Party was portrayed in the media very differently from their core beliefs, the same is happening to the OWS movement. Both groups need to do a better job at keeping their extremists members away from the cameras if they want to do anything. All the extremists do is hurt the movement. The media loves to show the wild and crazy of the movement, and the extremists are the easiest way to do that.
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This is what happens when millions of Americans are out of work and have nothing else to do but to protest.
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This is what happens when millions of Americans are out of work and have nothing else to do but to protest.
Actually I've heard stories of people QUITTING their jobs to join this movement.
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This is what happens when millions of Americans are out of work and have nothing else to do but to protest.
If this movement is just because Americans are out of work with nothing else to do but protest explain why other countries like the UK, Canada, Australia, Italy, Spain, Japan, Germany, Taiwan, and Chile have join the movement? Are they out of work Americans too?
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Its happening all over the world! ::) Many are sick of how the banks did bad business , got bailed out and then refused to help the people that had mortgages left. They need to pay that money back! :bs:
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if there message is for richest of the rich to pay more taxes great but most of the people there have some other far left agenda.
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They certainly are making a mess in the parks. I'd be really surprised if they leave them in the same condition they found them. :crybaby2: :crybaby2:
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Just thought I share this:
Inspired by the uprisings across the Arab world, and fueled by the feelings of anger and helplessness of everyday Americans, in the past month Occupy Wall Street has:
- Gone Global (10 million people worldwide within three days)
- Flourished with diversity
- Gained support in the Heartland
- Changed the conversation
What a month and Occupy Wall Street is just getting starting!
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They certainly are making a mess in the parks. I'd be really surprised if they leave them in the same condition they found them. :crybaby2: :crybaby2:
Actually, they're keeping the parks cleaner than they found them.
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I happened to stop by Occupy Wall Street, yesterday. They are a lot more organized than mainstream media portrays them. They schedule various events throughout the day. The reason they appear leaderless is because they function as various human rights/civil rights organization within a group. They managed to set-up their on media, press and reporters so their messages are getting out there just not by the regular media channels. What are they asking for: jobs at living wages for everyone; guaranteed healthcare for all; a secure retirement with the ability to retire in dignity; equal access to quality, public education; good housing and protection from hunger; a safe and healthy environment; a just taxation system where corporations and the wealthy pay their fair share. In case you didn't know, the United States is the only country where people have to pay for their college education. You owe it to yourself to find out what is going on!
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I am for the Occupy Movement but I agree that the extremists could kill it. The whole point of the OWS was that it was normal moderate people of both parties trying to make America a more fair place.
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A stinking mob of puppets dancing for a powerful group of elite currency traders supported by every group and orginization who hates the US and The US Constitution.
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I fully support Occupy WS. Change happens when the people rise up against the system as has been shown through the history of this country as well as globally. This is truly an apolitical movement and those who try to politicize it will be rebuffed. That point is missed by the media and politicians who alternately ignore or mis-represent the movement.
Think about the inequality in each of your lives and you will see that this is what it is all about. Our economy and ability to support ourselves and our families has been co-opted by the greed of corporations. And we let it happen, we are the ones who must change it.
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A stinking mob of puppets dancing for a powerful group of elite currency traders supported by every group and orginization who hates the US and The US Constitution.
Just who are you talking about OWS or corporations? No one is saying that they hate the US. It simply not fair when people are losing their jobs; get a college education and still can not make enough to pay off their student loans; have to choose between working while they have a serious illness like cancer so that they don't lose their medical insurance; get their medical insurance cut once they are on the verge of healing; most of their life is spend working to pay off debts; and there is no reason why people should have to work themselves to an early grave. It wasn't always like this and this is what people are fighting for. Not because they hate America! If you read the US Constitution it clearly begins with: "We the People of the United States..." It says nothing about "We the Corporation/Banks of the United States."
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I support them and I'm grateful for their actions.
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A stinking mob of puppets dancing for a powerful group of elite currency traders supported by every group and orginization who hates the US and The US Constitution.
Just who are you talking about OWS or corporations? No one is saying that they hate the US. It simply not fair when people are losing their jobs; get a college education and still can not make enough to pay off their student loans; have to choose between working while they have a serious illness like cancer so that they don't lose their medical insurance; get their medical insurance cut once they are on the verge of healing; most of their life is spend working to pay off debts; and there is no reason why people should have to work themselves to an early grave. It wasn't always like this and this is what people are fighting for. Not because they hate America! If you read the US Constitution it clearly begins with: "We the People of the United States..." It says nothing about "We the Corporation/Banks of the United States."
Living in the US requires some effort. The stinking mob demanding I pay more taxes and higher prices to fund their personal choices is fundamentally anti-American. If they don't like it here, there are plenty of other countries who are structured more favorably to their views. I will not support the destruction of the US Constitution for some non-existent notion of 'fairness' and 'social justice'.
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A stinking mob of puppets dancing for a powerful group of elite currency traders supported by every group and orginization who hates the US and The US Constitution.
Just who are you talking about OWS or corporations? No one is saying that they hate the US. It simply not fair when people are losing their jobs; get a college education and still can not make enough to pay off their student loans; have to choose between working while they have a serious illness like cancer so that they don't lose their medical insurance; get their medical insurance cut once they are on the verge of healing; most of their life is spend working to pay off debts; and there is no reason why people should have to work themselves to an early grave. It wasn't always like this and this is what people are fighting for. Not because they hate America! If you read the US Constitution it clearly begins with: "We the People of the United States..." It says nothing about "We the Corporation/Banks of the United States."
Living in the US requires some effort. The stinking mob demanding I pay more taxes and higher prices to fund their personal choices is fundamentally anti-American. If they don't like it here, there are plenty of other countries who are structured more favorably to their views. I will not support the destruction of the US Constitution for some non-existent notion of 'fairness' and 'social justice'.
Sweetheart, you are clueless! And yes maybe you should pay higher taxes. And no we don't need to go to another country. But just in case you need to know, other countries are not to thrill about what's going on in the United States. So explain to me how for example is not having adequate health insurance, okay! Who said anything about the destruction of the US Constitution? As a matter of fact, after visiting Greece, I would spend up to two month out of the year just because it's more relaxing, the cost of living is cheaper, and you can go to the doctor w/o spending an arm and leg. Also, my husband's family is from there; so I don't have to worry about hotels or anything like that. But, since you are clueless, I'm not surprised that you would come up with an answer like that. By the way, first amendment right, I can say whatever I want whether you like it or not! So much for the US Constitution. You need to reread the Bill of Rights--the first 10 amendments.
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Just a thought that I'd like to share!
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A stinking mob of puppets dancing for a powerful group of elite currency traders supported by every group and orginization who hates the US and The US Constitution.
Just who are you talking about OWS or corporations? No one is saying that they hate the US. It simply not fair when people are losing their jobs; get a college education and still can not make enough to pay off their student loans; have to choose between working while they have a serious illness like cancer so that they don't lose their medical insurance; get their medical insurance cut once they are on the verge of healing; most of their life is spend working to pay off debts; and there is no reason why people should have to work themselves to an early grave. It wasn't always like this and this is what people are fighting for. Not because they hate America! If you read the US Constitution it clearly begins with: "We the People of the United States..." It says nothing about "We the Corporation/Banks of the United States."
Living in the US requires some effort. The stinking mob demanding I pay more taxes and higher prices to fund their personal choices is fundamentally anti-American. If they don't like it here, there are plenty of other countries who are structured more favorably to their views. I will not support the destruction of the US Constitution for some non-existent notion of 'fairness' and 'social justice'.
I wholeheartedly agree with you Joeyramone and I sense in your reply the same feelings I have about what is going on. These OWS people would have us penniless and living in *bleep*, just so that we would be like them. Notice they don't want an elevation of their status they want a degradation of the status of all of those above them. You could throw a feast for them and they would question your wealth and strip you of every thread...surely if you could afford the feast you must have much more. In their greed (what they pretend to call fairness) it never dons on their simple intellect that the feast you served didn't come from them but entirely of your efforts and that had you not provided it they would not have had it in the first place -- they should be grateful for the scraps off the plates but nope. Someone else called them puppets and I also agree to that. They follow some pathetic liberal methodology and it is always "me, me, me" with them.
Okay I sound angry, but when I listen to some of these people, such as andzigallery, I can only manage to shake my head and ponder how it comes to be that a person could so lose their pride and become so brainwashed into accepting defeat. I have more respect for a burglar or a full blown robber than most of those at the OWS. At least the thief takes the effort to actually do something to better themselves at risk of lose.
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Talking about the US Constitution:
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Here something else worth sharing!
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@ abrupt, Explain to me what are we going to lose that we haven't lost already! I rest my case. You're just as clueless as your friend! Welcome to the club of dumb and dumber! I can go on and on and on! Because frankly, I don't give a damn what you think--it's a matter of opinion! So there!
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@ abrupt, Explain to me what are we going to lose that we haven't lost already! I rest my case. You're just as clueless as your friend! Welcome to the club of dumb and dumber! I can go on and on and on! Because frankly, I don't give a damn what you think--it's a matter of opinion! So there!
After losing pride their isn't much left to lose but it isn't a zero sum situation. Repeat, it isn't Zero Sum! Why can't people like you figure that out.
That is an odd legal tactic to make an opening inquiry and then rest your case. Surely only defeat can come from such a strategy. But I must ask you what have you lost? What has Wall Street taken from you? I know the government took from us and our children and their children, but I don't recall Wall Street doing this. It is foolish to blame the bucket for the rain you know.
Please, go on and on. Enlighten me to the degree of my stupidity. You obviously care enough about what I think to address me so please stipulate a bit. You call me clueless yet you are deliberately submitting yourself as the *bleep* in another's game. You have been deceived by the very leaders you so blindly follow to blame the very people they convinced you so desperately that it was absolutely necessary to bail out. Aren't you even the slightest bit aware of that?
These socialists made a strong gambit of Wall Street in their attempts to bring down capitalism. Think about it for a bit. They set the stage for failure through their regulations and with these same regulations they guaranteed a measure of safety. These regulations were a deliberate interference with capitalism and thus their existence denied true capitalism. When events finally caught up their first trap was sprung, but they realized that if things were left to follow the tenants of capitalism that the economy would rapidly (albeit somewhat painfully) correct and the problem would go away. To prevent this they came up with this insane fear tactic play convincing everyone that it would be the end of the world if we didn't bail out Wall Street. This was also not following the ways of capitalism and the act had nothing at all to do with capitalism. Now in one fell swoop they made the situation multiple times worse and put us all at even more risk than initially. Now they are behind the scenes with their jumper cables directing the same people that have supported their stupidity all along to attack the very institutions that have provided us with the majority of our wealth and freedom. They are striking at the very heart of us and using pawns like you as their daggers. If you were smart you would question why they want you to bring down the very structures they originally convinced you it was absolutely necessary to prop up. I implore you to just consider the chain of events and see how it all came to pass. Ask yourself why you are not marching on Washington instead of Wall Street. Ask yourself, if you succeed in bringing down Wall Street, who is to gain and why the same people that wanted you to bail them out then now want you to drown them.
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Living in the US requires some effort. The stinking mob demanding I pay more taxes and higher prices to fund their personal choices is fundamentally anti-American. If they don't like it here, there are plenty of other countries who are structured more favorably to their views. I will not support the destruction of the US Constitution for some non-existent notion of 'fairness' and 'social justice'.
Sweetheart, you are clueless! And yes maybe you should pay higher taxes. And no we don't need to go to another country. But just in case you need to know, other countries are not to thrill about what's going on in the United States. So explain to me how for example is not having adequate health insurance, okay! Who said anything about the destruction of the US Constitution? As a matter of fact, after visiting Greece, I would spend up to two month out of the year just because it's more relaxing, the cost of living is cheaper, and you can go to the doctor w/o spending an arm and leg. Also, my husband's family is from there; so I don't have to worry about hotels or anything like that. But, since you are clueless, I'm not surprised that you would come up with an answer like that. By the way, first amendment right, I can say whatever I want whether you like it or not! So much for the US Constitution. You need to reread the Bill of Rights--the first 10 amendments.
Greece? A country that is facing an even greater debt crisis than our own, can't pay off their debts, and needed to be bailed out by the EU? I guess that would be next logically place for the "occupy" movement since they have themselves received a bailout just like our banks. Forgive me for not wanting to adopt the same policies as a country in worse shape than our own because those same exact policies. Drastic changes are coming to Greece.
As for the United States, 47% of Americans do not pay any federal income tax and this group is heavily represented in the OWS movement. If these programs are so important to them, maybe the should start paying some taxes as well. Of course they aren't going to want that, because self interest is still at the heart of the debate.
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Here we go again with the dumb and the clueless making my day! They can't even see that most of the people at OWS do pay their taxes and then some! And whose else is involved with OWS college professors, nurses, teachers, lawyers and anyone else you can think of! You're going to tell me these people don't pay taxes just who are you kidding! And by the way Greece economy is no where near worse than the US? First of all their cost of living is cheaper and second of all you don't have to worry about medical expenses among other things! But of course, you wouldn't know because you are only going by how the media portrays them and that's all you want to know! Get your facts and go visit the country! I was there for almost five weeks so I know what I'm talking about! By the way, didn't you suggest we go to another country! Well, here's another news flash! Most people do go to other countries and some visit them on a yearly basis. Since we aren't criminals, we are allowed to go back and forth as often as we please. Visit some of these countries, it may open up your eyes and you may actually learn something! By the way, I'm not really bother about your comments! I just like busting your chops because these are the kinds of comments that I expect from you. So continue to blow off the steam because that's all you doing is blowing out hot air! But then again bring it on--I'm really getting a kick out this! I certainly look forward to more of your comments! Ha Ha Ha! :bootyshake:
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In my city, the Occupy group have not had to pay for security, permits, waste disposal, etc. In contrast, when the Tea Party held a rally lasting a few hours, they had to pay the city several thousand dollars and had to make sure the venue was cleaned up after they left.
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It is obvious that there are differing opinions regarding OWS. Those of us who have taken the time to watch, research and educate ourselves and not buy the corporate media interpretation or fall victim to other voices can see the value of what is happening. Those who don't merely throw out whatever the voices implanted in their heads tell them. The bottom line is this movement is for the improvement of the lives of EVERYONE whether you agree or not. If you are 100% content with your lives and the inequality in our country, then you must be among the 1% of our citizens who are.
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I really don't get it, I live in Atlanta and I see them Occupy the parks and cost the city more money to fix. What do they plan to received from staying in tents at a park or anywhere. Don't get me wrong, I agree that Wall Street is running everything, but living in the parks to protest..hmm..I don't know?
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I'm not sure what exactly they're standing for, but corporations are ridiculous nowadays. There needs to be something done about that immediately or we're going to have a deeper recession.
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Here we go again with the dumb and the clueless making my day! They can't even see that most of the people at OWS do pay their taxes and then some! And whose else is involved with OWS college professors, nurses, teachers, lawyers and anyone else you can think of! You're going to tell me these people don't pay taxes just who are you kidding! And by the way Greece economy is no where near worse than the US? First of all their cost of living is cheaper and second of all you don't have to worry about medical expenses among other things! But of course, you wouldn't know because you are only going by how the media portrays them and that's all you want to know! Get your facts and go visit the country! I was there for almost five weeks so I know what I'm talking about! By the way, didn't you suggest we go to another country! Well, here's another news flash! Most people do go to other countries and some visit them on a yearly basis. Since we aren't criminals, we are allowed to go back and forth as often as we please. Visit some of these countries, it may open up your eyes and you may actually learn something! By the way, I'm not really bother about your comments! I just like busting your chops because these are the kinds of comments that I expect from you. So continue to blow off the steam because that's all you doing is blowing out hot air! But then again bring it on--I'm really getting a kick out this! I certainly look forward to more of your comments! Ha Ha Ha! :bootyshake:
No, actually as someone who does have investments and wants to control my own financial well-being, I do pay attention to world affairs and their impact on the US markets. It’s really not hard to see the impact Greece is having on Europe and the US.
Anyway, trying to claim that Greece’s economy is not worse than the US is just laughable. A couple things to consider:
1) Greece’s unemployment rate is at 17.6%, which is almost double the 9.1% unemployment in the United States. The highest the unemployment rate in our latest economic downturn was 10.1% in October ’09, with 10.8% is the all-time high back in 1982. Roughly 10% unemployment has been the norm over the past 20 years for Greece, so our all-time highs in the US have been the norm in Greece.
2) Greece has received bailouts from the EU twice in the past year and recently came to an agreement that the EU will forgive some of their debt as long as they pay 50% of what they owe on certain obligations. The United States never received a bailout, and has never missed a payment, all of which have been paid in full.
3) The poverty level in Greece is ~20% compared to 15.1% in the United States. I thought these social programs that we so desperately need were supposed to eliminate things like poverty and would make things more ‘fair’. That’s just not the case.
But at least their healthcare is cheaper and that makes their economy better?? Well, that’s not really the case either. Besides paying higher income taxes to help fund their healthcare, employees in Greece have to pay 16% in payroll taxes on every dollar they are paid. Currently in the US we only pay 5.65% for every dollar with the current payroll tax cut, which is down from 7.65%. Now, the employers portion for the payroll taxes in Greece is 28.06% compared to 7.65% in the US. It makes it pretty easy to understand why the unemployment rate in Greece has been so much higher when consider employers have to pay over 20% more on every dollar they pay to employees in comparison to the US. Now, your self-employment earnings from a site such as this would be subject to 44.06% rate in Greece, compared to the 13.3%/15.3% rate in the US. Still think that healthcare is cheaper?
As an example, if you make $30K per year, you are going to pay an additional $3,105 in payroll taxes alone. That’s not even considering the additional income taxes that you will face, but should be pretty clear that those healthcare costs are not going away as you are just now paying them to the government instead.
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Here we go again with the dumb and the clueless making my day! They can't even see that most of the people at OWS do pay their taxes and then some! And whose else is involved with OWS college professors, nurses, teachers, lawyers and anyone else you can think of! You're going to tell me these people don't pay taxes just who are you kidding! And by the way Greece economy is no where near worse than the US? First of all their cost of living is cheaper and second of all you don't have to worry about medical expenses among other things! But of course, you wouldn't know because you are only going by how the media portrays them and that's all you want to know! Get your facts and go visit the country! I was there for almost five weeks so I know what I'm talking about! By the way, didn't you suggest we go to another country! Well, here's another news flash! Most people do go to other countries and some visit them on a yearly basis. Since we aren't criminals, we are allowed to go back and forth as often as we please. Visit some of these countries, it may open up your eyes and you may actually learn something! By the way, I'm not really bother about your comments! I just like busting your chops because these are the kinds of comments that I expect from you. So continue to blow off the steam because that's all you doing is blowing out hot air! But then again bring it on--I'm really getting a kick out this! I certainly look forward to more of your comments! Ha Ha Ha! :bootyshake:
No, actually as someone who does have investments and wants to control my own financial well-being, I do pay attention to world affairs and their impact on the US markets. It’s really not hard to see the impact Greece is having on Europe and the US.
Anyway, trying to claim that Greece’s economy is not worse than the US is just laughable. A couple things to consider:
1) Greece’s unemployment rate is at 17.6%, which is almost double the 9.1% unemployment in the United States. The highest the unemployment rate in our latest economic downturn was 10.1% in October ’09, with 10.8% is the all-time high back in 1982. Roughly 10% unemployment has been the norm over the past 20 years for Greece, so our all-time highs in the US have been the norm in Greece.
2) Greece has received bailouts from the EU twice in the past year and recently came to an agreement that the EU will forgive some of their debt as long as they pay 50% of what they owe on certain obligations. The United States never received a bailout, and has never missed a payment, all of which have been paid in full.
3) The poverty level in Greece is ~20% compared to 15.1% in the United States. I thought these social programs that we so desperately need were supposed to eliminate things like poverty and would make things more ‘fair’. That’s just not the case.
But at least their healthcare is cheaper and that makes their economy better?? Well, that’s not really the case either. Besides paying higher income taxes to help fund their healthcare, employees in Greece have to pay 16% in payroll taxes on every dollar they are paid. Currently in the US we only pay 5.65% for every dollar with the current payroll tax cut, which is down from 7.65%. Now, the employers portion for the payroll taxes in Greece is 28.06% compared to 7.65% in the US. It makes it pretty easy to understand why the unemployment rate in Greece has been so much higher when consider employers have to pay over 20% more on every dollar they pay to employees in comparison to the US. Now, your self-employment earnings from a site such as this would be subject to 44.06% rate in Greece, compared to the 13.3%/15.3% rate in the US. Still think that healthcare is cheaper?
As an example, if you make $30K per year, you are going to pay an additional $3,105 in payroll taxes alone. That’s not even considering the additional income taxes that you will face, but should be pretty clear that those healthcare costs are not going away as you are just now paying them to the government instead.
Curse your logic, facts and figures Hawkeye... They are no match against an angry leftists active imagination and personal grudges.
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i think its getting out of hand, there is occupy something in cities accross the country.
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I continue to be in support of Wall Street, no matter what others have to say. This article comes from Democracy Now's yesterday's headlines.
Veterans March for Occupy Movement in New York City
In New York City, dozens of U.S. military veterans marched to Zuccotti Park on Wednesday in support of the Occupy Wall Street movement. Standing in front of the New York Stock Exchange, the veterans read a statement underscoring the oath they took to defend the Constitution and declaring themselves supporters of the Occupy movement. A number of the veterans expressed that they were motivated by Scott Olsen, the U.S. Marine veteran who was critically injured protesting in Oakland last Tuesday after police fired tear gas canisters into the crowd. Iraq War veteran Eli Wright described the conditions servicemembers face when they return to the states.
Eli Wright, Iraq War veteran: "Veterans are coming home and finding that we don’t have access to proper medical care, we don’t have access to jobs. We’re having a difficult time getting the educational benefits that we were promised and that we served for. So, you know, I’m worried about how I’m going to feed my daughter and how I’m going to put her through college. So I’m basically here with everybody else, marching for economic justice for all of us."
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We guarantee it. Check out this Men’s Wearhouse window in Oakland.
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For some of us, you're going to like who closed up shop in solidarity with the #OccupyOakland Strike
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Here is a heartbreaking photo of someone who is an American and worked in his field for 20 years. After losing his job he became a pizza delivery guy and got cancer. Read his story this is one of several things that #OWS is protesting about. He is the 99%!
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I'm really inspired by the reports of all the small local banks and credit unions who have received new customers since this all started. I had moved my money a while back. I wish I had done it a long time ago, I don't know what I was thinking. I love the service I've been getting. There's nothing better than calling customer service with an issue, and having the person know me by name, take care of my problem right away, and then ask me about my kids or my dogs (all of whom she knows by name too) and chat a little while. Try to get something like that from Bank of America or Chase.
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Here is a heartbreaking photo of someone who is an American and worked in his field for 20 years. After losing his job he became a pizza delivery guy and got cancer. Read his story this is one of several things that #OWS is protesting about. He is the 99%!
They are protesting cancer? Maybe they are protesting that delivering pizza causes cancer? Just what are you saying in the above? Seems to me they are protesting everything except what they should be protesting (the government undermining capitalism by bail outs, the government exposing the nation to excessive risk through social programs, the government wasting most of it's stolen money in areas they have no Constitutional authority to become involved in).
Such argumentum ad misericordiam as the one you just displayed reveals the willingness to use deception in an argument. These things don't work on any critical thinkers you know? Even the most casual discernment usually recognizes this fallacious form of argument and develops a negative opinion of the group/person/organization trying to use the trick.
If you actually fall for such things I can only be reminded of the phrase "There is a sucker born every minute".
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I think this movement is unstoppable and is the only venue left for change to happen in this country. Just look at your government failing at every turn to do the things that will bring jobs and re-store this country to economic stability. If you want that to continue, then turn your back on OWS. But it is about more than that. We live in a society that promotes homelessness. poverty, hunger and the destruction of the American dream. If you want that to continue, turn your back on OWS. We live in a country where state governments are intent on passing budgets that compromise the education of your children. If you want that to continue, turn your back on OWS. We live in a country where states are infringing on everyone's right to vote, passing voter registration legislation that makes it impossible for hundreds of thousands to exercise their right to vote. If you want that to continue, then turn your back on OWS. We live in a country where a state can determine that your city is not viable and take over that city. If you want this to continue, then turn your back on OWS.
I am an activist grandmother who has marched and demonstrated for many years, since the days of Civil Rights to anti-war and I know we can make a difference. OWS is the only venue left that can bring about the changes to all of the above and restore dignity to the existence of all of us. I can no longer actively participate, but every iota of my spirit is with OWS.
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I think this movement is unstoppable and is the only venue left for change to happen in this country. Just look at your government failing at every turn to do the things that will bring jobs and re-store this country to economic stability. If you want that to continue, then turn your back on OWS. But it is about more than that. We live in a society that promotes homelessness. poverty, hunger and the destruction of the American dream. If you want that to continue, turn your back on OWS. We live in a country where state governments are intent on passing budgets that compromise the education of your children. If you want that to continue, turn your back on OWS. We live in a country where states are infringing on everyone's right to vote, passing voter registration legislation that makes it impossible for hundreds of thousands to exercise their right to vote. If you want that to continue, then turn your back on OWS. We live in a country where a state can determine that your city is not viable and take over that city. If you want this to continue, then turn your back on OWS.
I am an activist grandmother who has marched and demonstrated for many years, since the days of Civil Rights to anti-war and I know we can make a difference. OWS is the only venue left that can bring about the changes to all of the above and restore dignity to the existence of all of us. I can no longer actively participate, but every iota of my spirit is with OWS.
You talk about the government is failing us, but then go on the say you support the OWS, a movement that wants to give the government even more control? Really? Giving more control to same group of people that have failed me makes no sense to me. I'm not sure how that could make sense to anyone.
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I think this movement is unstoppable and is the only venue left for change to happen in this country. Just look at your government failing at every turn to do the things that will bring jobs and re-store this country to economic stability. If you want that to continue, then turn your back on OWS. But it is about more than that. We live in a society that promotes homelessness. poverty, hunger and the destruction of the American dream. If you want that to continue, turn your back on OWS. We live in a country where state governments are intent on passing budgets that compromise the education of your children. If you want that to continue, turn your back on OWS. We live in a country where states are infringing on everyone's right to vote, passing voter registration legislation that makes it impossible for hundreds of thousands to exercise their right to vote. If you want that to continue, then turn your back on OWS. We live in a country where a state can determine that your city is not viable and take over that city. If you want this to continue, then turn your back on OWS.
I am an activist grandmother who has marched and demonstrated for many years, since the days of Civil Rights to anti-war and I know we can make a difference. OWS is the only venue left that can bring about the changes to all of the above and restore dignity to the existence of all of us. I can no longer actively participate, but every iota of my spirit is with OWS.
You talk about the government is failing us, but then go on the say you support the OWS, a movement that wants to give the government even more control? Really? Giving more control to same group of people that have failed me makes no sense to me. I'm not sure how that could make sense to anyone.
I know exactly what you mean, hawkeye3210! I cannot understand how these OWS people. Do they really think they are doing what they say they are doing or are they so foolish as to think the rest of us would believe their obvious dishonesty. I am left trying to decide if they are mostly complete idiots or mostly deliberate liars.
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The occupy wall street movement has made it all the way to ontario, canada! With protesters in the streets and some even being shot by bean bag guns and arrested!! Wow
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The occupy wall street movement has made it all the way to ontario, canada! With protesters in the streets and some even being shot by bean bag guns and arrested!! Wow
Actually it started in Canada...
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Sounds like a crazy ol' time to me!
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This is what happens when millions of Americans are out of work and have nothing else to do but to protest.
If this movement is just because Americans are out of work with nothing else to do but protest explain why other countries like the UK, Canada, Australia, Italy, Spain, Japan, Germany, Taiwan, and Chile have join the movement? Are they out of work Americans too?
Could be if they have Americans living in UK, Canada, Australia, Italy, Spain, Japan, Germany, Taiwan, and Chile.
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You talk about the government is failing us, but then go on the say you support the OWS, a movement that wants to give the government even more control? Really? Giving more control to same group of people that have failed me makes no sense to me. I'm not sure how that could make sense to anyone.
#OWS wants to give the government more control? Which #OWS movement are you even talking about? The one you see on Fox "News"?
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You talk about the government is failing us, but then go on the say you support the OWS, a movement that wants to give the government even more control? Really? Giving more control to same group of people that have failed me makes no sense to me. I'm not sure how that could make sense to anyone.
#OWS wants to give the government more control? Which #OWS movement are you even talking about? The one you see on Fox "News"?
No, the ones you see on every news channel, internet blog, and everywhere else. They are demanding things be paid for and buisnesses be regulated by the government (read taxpayer money). They want a cradle to grave outcome assured society. That is fundamentally anti-American and pro-Socialist/Communist/Fascist.
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I don't even think they know what they are protesting, just trying to be part of the it crowd.
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You talk about the government is failing us, but then go on the say you support the OWS, a movement that wants to give the government even more control? Really? Giving more control to same group of people that have failed me makes no sense to me. I'm not sure how that could make sense to anyone.
#OWS wants to give the government more control? Which #OWS movement are you even talking about? The one you see on Fox "News"?
No, the ones you see on every news channel, internet blog, and everywhere else. They are demanding things be paid for and buisnesses be regulated by the government (read taxpayer money). They want a cradle to grave outcome assured society. That is fundamentally anti-American and pro-Socialist/Communist/Fascist.
What alternate dimension are you inhabiting, and were you born there, or did you find a rift in the space-time continuum?
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I already notice some politicians/liberals/socialists trying to distance themselves a bit from OWS with the rapes and violence and other crimes occurring from them. Even the nuttiest liberals have a hard time justifying a right to rape.
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Have any rapes actually been proven?
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Well not been tried in court yet. Suspects arrested and such. Now I understand this doesn't reflect upon the entire OWS movement. I admit I am biased against them because I am opposed to everything they advocate (not necessarily everything they say though). I can only fairly ask you supporters of OWS who haven't heard anything about the rapes and violence to pretend such had happened anywhere near a Tea Party event and speculate on how the media would have covered it.
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You talk about the government is failing us, but then go on the say you support the OWS, a movement that wants to give the government even more control? Really? Giving more control to same group of people that have failed me makes no sense to me. I'm not sure how that could make sense to anyone.
#OWS wants to give the government more control? Which #OWS movement are you even talking about? The one you see on Fox "News"?
No, the ones you see on every news channel, internet blog, and everywhere else. They are demanding things be paid for and buisnesses be regulated by the government (read taxpayer money). They want a cradle to grave outcome assured society. That is fundamentally anti-American and pro-Socialist/Communist/Fascist.
What alternate dimension are you inhabiting, and were you born there, or did you find a rift in the space-time continuum?
I live on Earth. I often wonder where these lunatics and their supporters come from. Care to add anything substantive to the debate or are you now just asking questions like 'have the rapes been proven yet'? Very sad.