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I really don't understand why some people have to be so critical of others. There are a lot of things that people do that I don't agree with or don't like but if you don't agree you don't have to try and make the other person feel bad just because you don't happen to feel the same way.
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if you are referring to falcon's atheistic posts, you are 100% correct. I think he was already corrected in your other post. If he really believed there was no God, why does he hate something so viciously that doesn't even exist? His fanatical defense of atheism is far more unreasonable and ignorant than someone asking for some prayers.
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Nicely said tigerlily. I think there are just so many bitter people ready to explode if they don't say something nasty at some point. If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all. Like I had someone comment on a thread that I started as kind of a personal blog to show everything I've done since day 1 and to show my referrals what I get credit for or have problems with, tips, advice, a place to post... whatnot. Someone commented that it was a waste of space and shouldn't even be a topic. lol Really? Unnecessary, especially since the comment below them was someone thanking me for having a thread like that! No matter what, some people just can't be pleased. You almost have to feel sorry for them that they can't just find something to make them even a bit happier.
Don't get me wrong, I wasn't saying that the person that commented to me was highly rude or mean by any means, it's just unnecessary criticism that is more or a nuisance than helpful. Not even constructive criticism. They're new so maybe they don't realize that there isn't competition here. Vent, by all means, but don't take your bad mood out on someone else.... Maybe one day, people will truly learn that religion is just something you don't discuss when there is the possibility of head butting. I don't care what your religion is, just don't preach for me. Asking for prayers however, is highly unoffensive. I guess some people don't understand that there is a cost for freedom of speech. You have to deal with someone elses views that don't always match your own. But some people also don't realize there is a line between freedom of speech and having no class. Some things just shouldn't be said. Morally, not legally. So sorry to go off on a tangent on this post, but it hit home. It's hard to stay positive when you are surrounded by negativity. That's why I like the forum so much. It's a positive place for the most part. I love this site and can't stand when people bash it or the people on it. With that being said, thank you for letting me invade your post.
:heart: & :peace:
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It seems to me that those who are critical typically have a problem, whether emotional or physical, that they wish to draw attention away from. Though insensitive, they think it is easier to criticize others then themselves. It's a shame. Why not celebrate our differences?
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Critical people are unhappy people who are not happy until they make other people unhappy along with them. I have a story you might want to use.
The Law of the Garbage Truck !
One day I hopped in a taxi and we took off for the airport. We were driving in the right lane when suddenly a black car jumped out of a parking space right in front of us.
My taxi driver slammed on his breaks, skidded, and missed the other car by just inches! The driver of the other car whipped his head around and started yelling at us. My taxi driver just smiled and waved at the guy. And I mean, he was really friendly.
So I asked, 'Why did you just do that? This guy almost ruined your car and sent us to the hospital!' This is when my taxi driver taught me what I now call, 'The Law of the Garbage Truck.'
He explained that many people are like garbage trucks. They run around full of garbage, full of frustration, full of anger, and full of disappointment. As their garbage piles up, they need a place to dump it and sometimes they'll dump it on you.
Don't take it personally. Just smile, wave, wish them well, and move on. Don't take their garbage and spread it to other people at work, at home or on the streets.
The bottom line is that successful people do not let garbage trucks take over their day. Life's too short to wake up in the morning with regrets, so..... 'Love the people who treat you right.. Pray for the ones who don't.'
Life is ten percent what you make it and ninety percent how you take it.
Author unknown
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ssmsurvey: So well put. I have to accept others differences.... I'm an odd chick! =P
noirlupe: That was such an amazing story. I have to copy that down so I can remember that. Thank you so much for sharing that. Perfectly put. Why is it that Author Unknown seems to be the best dang author out there!?!?
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Often I find critical people (in the sense that it isn't their job duty to be critical) to be those that have personal control issues. I tend to find them weak willed and incapable of governing their own lives so they set about trying to fault others by any means necessary. In some ways they are like control freaks, but differ in that they are ineffective and powerless to exert their wills directly over others (and oftentimes they are an unwilling submissive in their own lives). Also, unlike the control freak, they don't actually want to change anything. They simply want to loose petty venom from a distance with the hopes to harm another or to elevate their own status in their own mind.
Sometimes, though, the critical types can be specific about what they are critical of and totally dismissive of other things where criticism would be warranted. This shows a specific prejudice and their can be underlying and undisclosed reasons for this. Perhaps they were harmed or feel they were harmed by the thing they lash out at. Perhaps they were personally/socially humiliated because of their liking the thing they lash out at and now they have been shocked by their own torturers into being contrary to their original stance. Unless such is revealed their can only be speculation.
I suppose their are other types of hyper critical people as well, but I mainly find those that I encounter to fit into the above two categories.
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I read a quote the other day...someone who hates you is one of three things....they want to be you, they are jealous of you, or they see you as a threat. Don't take it personally!
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if you are referring to falcon's atheistic posts, you are 100% correct.
In what way, (besides an unspecific and biased opinion)?
I think he was already corrected in your other post.
"Corrected", how and in what other post?
If he really believed there was no God ...
I've repeatedly specified that a disbelief isn't a 'belief', (they're opposites), while further requesting that believers present evidence supporting their beliefs, (which they've failed thusfar to do).
why does he hate something so viciously that doesn't even exist?
You are mistaking rational dissent for an irrational hatred, (and further imputing a subjective perception of "viciously" dissenting). To reiterate my position; it is one where challenges to the specious religious beliefs presented as claims by others have been consistent.
His fanatical defense of atheism is far more unreasonable and ignorant than someone asking for some prayers.
Such strawman arguments notwithstanding, (that is, a specious presentation of dissent regarding religious belief as being a "fanatical defense of atheism"), the conclusion that using reason is somehow "far more unreasonable and ignorant than someone asking for some prayers" is an irrational one which does not have evidence to support such an assertion. As for asking for "prayers", nothing stops someone else from either doing so or, getting others to do so - not even requests to provide evidence for that process being effective.
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Often I find critical people (in the sense that it isn't their job duty to be critical) to be those that have personal control issues.
On the other hand, I find that "control" has nothing to do with challenging others to acquire a bit of critical thinking skill themselves, (whether they do or not). Further, I've found that some do not enjoy applying such thinking to their cherished beliefs and will instead, counter-attack with speculative allegations rather than closely examine their own "issues".
I suppose their are other types of hyper critical people as well, but I mainly find those that I encounter to fit into the above two categories.
Oddly enough, a post which criticizes others for criticizing is sublimely ironic.
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I really don't understand why some people have to be so critical of others. There are a lot of things that people do that I don't agree with or don't like but if you don't agree you don't have to try and make the other person feel bad just because you don't happen to feel the same way.
Oh wow. I thought maybe you grew up in my household too or something. Sorry, just fits the description of my mom. Yeah, I never understand that either. Some people are so turned off by God and prayer if other people want to do it. I think astrology is ridiculous but I don't try to get it banned from the newspaper. I don't care if some people like to go to astrologers. To each his own.
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Some people are so turned off by God and prayer if other people want to do it. I think astrology is ridiculous but I don't try to get it banned from the newspaper. I don't care if some people like to go to astrologers. To each his own.
For some reason, one doesn't see a whole lot of astrologists going around saying that they'll 'do a chart for you' if you've expressed having problems though. On the other hand, one doesn't see many public requests for such astrological charts either. Yes, to each their own however, once "their own" is made into a public matter, it stops being exclusively "their own".
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Re: why are some people so critical
My guess would be because they need ALOT of prayer. ;)
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Re: why are some people so critical
My guess would be because they need ALOT of prayer. ;)
That's pretty humorous, I'll grant you that. Of course, it could also be that they don't.
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The reason they are so critical is because they do not understand diversity and that makes them very intolerant and critical.
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The reason they are so critical is because they do not understand diversity and that makes them very intolerant and critical.
Maybe they don't understand that being critical of people being critical will soon reach the critical mass of maximum irony too.
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That's because they're unhappy with themselves.... :crybaby2:
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That's because they're unhappy with themselves.... :crybaby2:
Or, it could be because they have blue eyes, (or green, or brown). Maybe they were raised by Vulcans, (or hawks, or wolves). It's quite possible to speculate randomly without actually hitting upon the reason(s) accidentally.
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I agree with you 100%!!! I ask myself this question almost everyday!!!! I wish things were different but I'm afraid it seems to be getting worse!
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Often I find critical people (in the sense that it isn't their job duty to be critical) to be those that have personal control issues.
On the other hand, I find that "control" has nothing to do with challenging others to acquire a bit of critical thinking skill themselves, (whether they do or not). Further, I've found that some do not enjoy applying such thinking to their cherished beliefs and will instead, counter-attack with speculative allegations rather than closely examine their own "issues".
I suppose their are other types of hyper critical people as well, but I mainly find those that I encounter to fit into the above two categories.
Oddly enough, a post which criticizes others for criticizing is sublimely ironic.
That isn't irony at all (You know this, I suppose, and have simply fallen into the standard rut that ninety percent of most people do. I blame Hollywood mostly for it's prevalent misuse of the word and even one who correctly uses the word 'irony' has to translate the other usage so frequently that you become used to the misuse as a natural state -- which is an odd way of effectively relearning something incorrectly).
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That isn't irony at all (You know this, I suppose, and have simply fallen into the standard rut that ninety percent of most people do. I blame Hollywood mostly for it's prevalent misuse of the word and even one who correctly uses the word 'irony' has to translate the other usage so frequently that you become used to the misuse as a natural state -- which is an odd way of effectively relearning something incorrectly).
You are correct about the literal meaning of the word being commonly shifted to a more colloquial usage. It would be more accurate to state that criticizing someone for criticizing others is hypocritical, (which is oddly close to hyper-critical and nearly 'meta-critical').
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Some people are that insecure that they must make others feel bad to make them selves look and feel good.
I chose to just ignore these types of people ... not work expending any energy on them.
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Some people are that insecure that they must make others feel bad to make them selves look and feel good.
That's one possibility. Another is that some people are insecure about being criticized, (or, having the perception of criticism), which makes them unsure of themselves when they are unable to respond rationally or, internally examine what's being 'criticized'. Remember that some "criticism" can be constructive too, (precluding the implicit assumption that it is negative).
I chose to just ignore these types of people ... not work expending any energy on them.
Perhaps because you don't want to know whether you are one of those types of people who fear that being 'criticized' will make you feel insecure?
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if you are referring to falcon's atheistic posts, you are 100% correct.
In what way, (besides an unspecific and biased opinion)?
I think he was already corrected in your other post.
"Corrected", how and in what other post?
If he really believed there was no God ...
I've repeatedly specified that a disbelief isn't a 'belief', (they're opposites), while further requesting that believers present evidence supporting their beliefs, (which they've failed thusfar to do).
why does he hate something so viciously that doesn't even exist?
You are mistaking rational dissent for an irrational hatred, (and further imputing a subjective perception of "viciously" dissenting). To reiterate my position; it is one where challenges to the specious religious beliefs presented as claims by others have been consistent.
His fanatical defense of atheism is far more unreasonable and ignorant than someone asking for some prayers.
Such strawman arguments notwithstanding, (that is, a specious presentation of dissent regarding religious belief as being a "fanatical defense of atheism"), the conclusion that using reason is somehow "far more unreasonable and ignorant than someone asking for some prayers" is an irrational one which does not have evidence to support such an assertion. As for asking for "prayers", nothing stops someone else from either doing so or, getting others to do so - not even requests to provide evidence for that process being effective.
If you were not fanatical, you wouldn't attack every person who requests prayers, or every post which mentions any belief in religion. I am not going to get into any arguments with you. It is unreasonable and ignorant to spout off your atheism and disbelief in a thread where someone is asking for prayers. Even if you don't believe in the power of prayer, other people do, and it is not your place to insult them for their beliefs. Your hatred of people's belief in God is thus made evident.
For proof that God exists, you have only to look around at all the marvels of creation that could not resonably have gotten their by themselves, all the marvels of nature that didn't just happen. A Supreme force must have put them there.
If you don't want to believe in anything, you have free willl to do whatever you want, but stop attacking everybody who does believe in God.
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To be critical of others only reflect on ones personal short coming is how i view it.
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I belive they are so unhappy within their selves they just have to make someone else unhappy. Heard a good one the other day.
Don't critize someone until you have walked a mile in their shoes. Then if you critize them you are at least a mile away and in their shoes.
I really don't care for some constructive critizen. Maybe they mean well, just don't do it, it hurts others.
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If you were not fanatical, you wouldn't attack every person who requests prayers, or every post which mentions any belief in religion.
Since there are dozens of posts where 'prayer' and 'religion' are mentioned where I have not replied, I manifestly do not "attack every person who requests prayers, or every post which mentions any belief in religion". This evidence makes your allegation false.
I am not going to get into any arguments with you.
No? You'd much rather spout-off a baseless opinion and then avoid supporting or discussing it instead?
It is unreasonable and ignorant to spout off your atheism and disbelief in a thread where someone is asking for prayers.
I disagree. Conversely, I could contend that it is "unreasonable and ignorant" to hold such religious beliefs. The difference is, I can delineate why whereas you apparently enjoy making unsupported assertions.
Even if you don't believe in the power of prayer, other people do, and it is not your place to insult them for their beliefs.
I've repeatedly maintained that others are welcome to their own beliefs and that once such beliefs appear in the off-topic/debate+discussion forums that they are open to dissent. That's how the 'freedom' to belief or disbelieve works in the U.S., (it does not include suppression of dissenting views by mischaracterizing them as "insult"). It never occurs to you that unreasoned, unsupported religious beliefs might be 'insulting' to those who don't hold those particular assumptions, does it?
Your hatred of people's belief in God is thus made evident.
Conversely, your inability to reason is strongly evident.
For proof that God exists, you have only to look around at all the marvels of creation that could not resonably have gotten their by themselves, all the marvels of nature that didn't just happen. A Supreme force must have put them there.
Such assumptions are making unwarranted attributions of cause and effect. Those assumptions are based upon 'faith' and not evidence which makes them extremely dubious.
If you don't want to believe in anything, you have free willl to do whatever you want, but stop attacking everybody who does believe in God.
Obviously, the hypocrisy evident in your "attacking" someone who doesn't belief as you do whooses right over your head, (otherwise you'd 'hear' the pot calling the kettle black).
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please be on topic this is about being "critical" not "religion".
as for the OP agree on that sista.. because pple tend to hate thats all there to it...
and to falcon yes this does concerns you as a whole. because we felt frustrated with your childish antics. it doesnt matter man your still causing trouble for others here from religion aspects and it should be dealt with the staff...
if your so smart then go to other forums im sure they can compete with you... this forum is for pple to make money have fun and help others out. you can make money too and help but put your difference aside no need to challenge us like we know nothing..
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please be on topic this is about being "critical" not "religion".
This forum is called "off topic". If some want to interject "religion" into it, (and others have), then others have as much leeway to reply to those interjections.
and to falcon yes this does concerns you as a whole.
No, only the part where you're trolling me and then want Admin to "do something about falcon9" does. Strangely, your "antics" are mildly humorous but, not all that entertaining.
because we felt frustrated with your childish antics. it doesnt matter man your still causing trouble for others here from religion aspects and it should be dealt with the staff...
Fortunately, the Admin staff can read and, if content doesn't violate TOS, (which it hasn't, at least from me), they avoid employing the censorship you are advocating.
if your so smart then go to other forums im sure they can compete with you...
My being on other forums in no way precludes my participation on FC forums however, your implicit suggestion to leave reveals your true motive.
this forum is for pple to make money have fun and help others out. you can make money too and help but put your difference aside
There are several forums/subforums on FC. Two of them are "off topic" and "debate + discussion". This particular thread exists in the off topic forum which means it's for topics unrelated to FC. I've made some money with FC and also posted assistance replies to those requesting help with various aspects of using FC.
no need to challenge us like we know nothing..
A challenge isn't made because someone knows "nothing"; they are nominally made so that preconceptions are questioned. An unquestioned preconception can have dire consequences.
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They are critical because it makes them feel better when they put others down. They are bitter because their life is miserbale, so being critical gives them a little jolt of excitement.
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Some people are just threatened by people that aren't like them or don't agree with them. Doesn't make sense but it is what it is. Also some people are just jerks. I don't think we should ever ignore that fact when asking questions like this.
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I dont understand it either. I have adjusted to the fact that some people aren't happy unless they make others as miserable as they are.
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They are critical because it makes them feel better when they put others down. They are bitter because their life is miserbale, so being critical gives them a little jolt of excitement.
Alternatively, being critical of the unsupported assertions of others often leads to a more accurate assessment of a given situation/premise. By challenging the validity of a premise, it can often be discerned whetherr or not that premise is accurate. If it is a false premise, the one presenting it may react with resentment and a feeling of being "put down", (such emotional responses are common however, have nothing to do with the content of the premise refuted). Quite often, those who dislike having their unsubstantiated 'opinions' challenged will attack the challenger of those assertions, rather than support their own assertions, (by speculating that the challenger is "bitter", "miserable" or gets some sort of "jolt of excitement" from challenging empty opinions).
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Huh? :dontknow: I need to pray for a little clarity to try to follow that one.
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Huh? :dontknow: I need to pray for a little clarity to try to follow that one.
It basically boils down to the hypocrisy of criticizing others for criticizing others. Criticism involves judgements, (which may or may not be accurate - e.g., substantiated or, merely baseless opinion). Everyone judges, despite claims to the contrary.
As an aside, it's humorous to 'pray' for clarity if a resolution was attributed to a supernatural answer.
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Do not judge anyone, because remember you are being judged too. It is not our place to judge anyone. Someday we all have to answer for our actions and not in this life.
Accept everyone no matter what skin color, sexual preference, male/female, what country they were born, what beliefs they have. It is not our place to say who is right and who is wrong. Not everyone believes in the samething, but who makes the decisions that you are wrong and I am right or vise versa.
I accept and respect everyone's choice and belief and hope they do the same for me.
Do unto others as you would want them to do unto you.
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Do not judge anyone, because remember you are being judged too. It is not our place to judge anyone.
By criticizing people who judge others, you are judging them, (for judging others). This criticism constitutes a judgement of your judgement.
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If you were not fanatical, you wouldn't attack every person who requests prayers, or every post which mentions any belief in religion.
Have NOT ever seen this....HAVE seen falcon9 make a lot of posts questioning comments/statements made by others, but never anything that would be considered an attack on either the person OR the post
It is unreasonable and ignorant to spout off your atheism and disbelief in a thread where someone is asking for prayers.
No it's neither unreasonable or ignorant to post your personal beliefs/disbelief....it's called voicing an opinion.
Even if you don't believe in the power of prayer, other people do, and it is not your place to insult them for their beliefs. Your hatred of people's belief in God is thus made evident.
Again, I have NOT seen falcon9 "insult" people for their beliefs. I've seen falcon9 question what others have posted, or ask them if they have proof to back up their statements, or point out why something is not a proven fact.......
but that's not what I would call insulting a person. And I don't see this as "hatred of people's beliefs", either.....if falcon9 questions what they have said, or states an opposite belief, OR states disbelief........HOW do you construe this as showing HATRED??
.....but stop attacking everybody who does believe in God.
Again, I have never seen anything posted by falcon9 I would call "attacking" anyone.
I think you have rather distorted ideas on what constitutes an attack or an insult, and what hatred really is.
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If you were not fanatical, you wouldn't attack every person who requests prayers, or every post which mentions any belief in religion.
Have NOT ever seen this....HAVE seen falcon9 make a lot of posts questioning comments/statements made by others, but never anything that would be considered an attack on either the person OR the post.
It is unreasonable and ignorant to spout off your atheism and disbelief in a thread where someone is asking for prayers.
No it's neither unreasonable or ignorant to post your personal beliefs/disbelief....it's called voicing an opinion.
Even if you don't believe in the power of prayer, other people do, and it is not your place to insult them for their beliefs. Your hatred of people's belief in God is thus made evident.
Again, I have NOT seen falcon9 "insult" people for their beliefs. I've seen falcon9 question what others have posted, or ask them if they have proof to back up their statements, or point out why something is not a proven fact.......
but that's not what I would call insulting a person. And I don't see this as "hatred of people's beliefs", either.....if falcon9 questions what they have said, or states an opposite belief, OR states disbelief........HOW do you construe this as showing HATRED??
.....but stop attacking everybody who does believe in God.
Again, I have never seen anything posted by falcon9 I would call "attacking" anyone.
I think you have rather distorted ideas on what constitutes an attack or an insult, and what hatred really is.
Very perceptively and succinctly put, duroz. Not only do your observations describe the situation accurately but, they emphasize how some people consider that questioning anything is inaccurately perceived as an "attack", "hatred" or "insult", (which inherently reveals the 'belief' that such things cannot be questioned and must be taken on blind faith instead). Hypocritically, their 'attacks' upon reason and discernment of irrationality are somehow not "insults" and "hatred" of reasoning and rationality.
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Critical people are unhappy people who are not happy until they make other people unhappy along with them. I have a story you might want to use.
The Law of the Garbage Truck !
One day I hopped in a taxi and we took off for the airport. We were driving in the right lane when suddenly a black car jumped out of a parking space right in front of us.
My taxi driver slammed on his breaks, skidded, and missed the other car by just inches! The driver of the other car whipped his head around and started yelling at us. My taxi driver just smiled and waved at the guy. And I mean, he was really friendly.
So I asked, 'Why did you just do that? This guy almost ruined your car and sent us to the hospital!' This is when my taxi driver taught me what I now call, 'The Law of the Garbage Truck.'
He explained that many people are like garbage trucks. They run around full of garbage, full of frustration, full of anger, and full of disappointment. As their garbage piles up, they need a place to dump it and sometimes they'll dump it on you.
Don't take it personally. Just smile, wave, wish them well, and move on. Don't take their garbage and spread it to other people at work, at home or on the streets.
The bottom line is that successful people do not let garbage trucks take over their day. Life's too short to wake up in the morning with regrets, so..... 'Love the people who treat you right.. Pray for the ones who don't.'
Life is ten percent what you make it and ninety percent how you take it.
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Thank you for sharing this - it's a great objective way to look at something like this issue of why some are so critical of others. :)
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Thank you for sharing this - it's a great objective way to look at something like this issue of why some are so critical of others. :)
Precisely which part of the ancedote was particularly "objective"?
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Re: why are some people so critical
My guess would be because they need ALOT of prayer. ;)
That's pretty humorous, I'll grant you that. Of course, it could also be that they don't.
Typically, it's the ones that don't think they do...that need it the MOST.
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Maybe falcon & duroz should start their own little thread for just the two of them where they can "d&d" to their hearts content! :thumbsup:
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Typically, it's the ones that don't think they do...that need it the MOST.
More typically, it's the ones that believe that others who don't believe need something so useless the most.
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Maybe falcon & duroz should start their own little thread for just the two of them where they can "d&d" to their hearts content! :thumbsup:
Why should we? Any member can post in any thread or subforum here; despite faint-hearted attempts to control such things. You don't see posts from duroz or anyone else complaining when more than one fundie 'gang-up' on one non-religious dissenter. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for said fundies, (several of whom have complained when their religious notions get challenged). The inherent hypocrisy is starting to run rampant.
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That is why I have placed both of them on ignore. I am sorry but cannot take any more negativity from anyone.
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That is why I have placed both of them on ignore. I am sorry but cannot take any more negativity from anyone.
This is your prerogative. Just because you squint your eyes tightly closed it make doesn't make that which is uncomfortable to perceive go away. Additionally, specifically where has "duroz" been particularly 'negative', (or is this yet another example of an empty assertion)?
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That is why I have placed both of them on ignore. I am sorry but cannot take any more negativity from anyone.
This is your prerogative. Just because you squint your eyes tightly closed it make doesn't make that which is uncomfortable to perceive go away. Additionally, specifically where has "duroz" been particularly 'negative', (or is this yet another example of an empty assertion)?
I've been put on IGNORE?!?! WOWEE....That's GREAT! I hardly worked at achieving this honorable status...
Oh WAIT, that's right...I DIDN'T work at it at all!
I have made ONE POST to this topic. ONE.......EVER.
I didn't, as falcon9 pointed out, say anything particularly negative in that ONE POST (especially not compared to what other people have posted here - like the post I quoted comments from).
I don't know.....how people can not see the real picture here boggles my mind. The person I quoted from was making comments that were (somewhat) of a personal attack on falcon9.....and apparently you all think that is okay. ???
Then I challenge what they said, or how they arrived at some of the ideas they are posting.......and then that's NOT OKAY??
I didn't say anything about anyone AT ALL, I simply stated that the so-called attacks by falcon9 were (based only on the posts that I've read) non-existent.
I did say in closing that I thought the person who posted the comments had distorted views or ideas (or something like that), but that's as close as I came to saying anything negative.
Well :thumbsup:, I'm so happy I could so EFFORTLESSLY help give that ignore button more work.......(but don't wear it out, just in case you find a REAL, LEGITIMATE need to use it some day)
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I agree I do not understand why people are so critical all the time!!! I ask myself this question almost everyday!!! It drives me crazy that people have so many bad things to say!!
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That is why I have placed both of them on ignore. I am sorry but cannot take any more negativity from anyone.
This is your prerogative. Just because you squint your eyes tightly closed it make doesn't make that which is uncomfortable to perceive go away. Additionally, specifically where has "duroz" been particularly 'negative', (or is this yet another example of an empty assertion)?
I've been put on IGNORE?!?! WOWEE....That's GREAT! I hardly worked at achieving this honorable status...
Oh WAIT, that's right...I DIDN'T work at it at all!
I have made ONE POST to this topic. ONE.......EVER.
I didn't, as falcon9 pointed out, say anything particularly negative in that ONE POST (especially not compared to what other people have posted here - like the post I quoted comments from).
I don't know.....how people can not see the real picture here boggles my mind. The person I quoted from was making comments that were (somewhat) of a personal attack on falcon9.....and apparently you all think that is okay. ???
Then I challenge what they said, or how they arrived at some of the ideas they are posting.......and then that's NOT OKAY??
I didn't say anything about anyone AT ALL, I simply stated that the so-called attacks by falcon9 were (based only on the posts that I've read) non-existent.
I did say in closing that I thought the person who posted the comments had distorted views or ideas (or something like that), but that's as close as I came to saying anything negative.
Well :thumbsup:, I'm so happy I could so EFFORTLESSLY help give that ignore button more work.......(but don't wear it out, just in case you find a REAL, LEGITIMATE need to use it some day)
Well-played.
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I've found that if someone is being overly critical (friend or family member) you just have to approach them and let them know that their behavior is making you want to spend less and less time with them. If they don't quit it you should remove them from your life. This behavior from co-workers makes things trickier because everyone is trying to fly under the radar at work and keep their job.
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Usually critical people are misserable in there own minds, so they like to bring people down to there level. But on the other hand, this is considered a "discussion board", and it is of ones opinions. I usually look at it like this, I don't know the person on a personal level so I just let it go.
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Maybe falcon & duroz should start their own little thread for just the two of them where they can "d&d" to their hearts content! :thumbsup:
Why should we? Any member can post in any thread or subforum here; despite faint-hearted attempts to control such things. You don't see posts from duroz or anyone else complaining when more than one fundie 'gang-up' on one non-religious dissenter. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for said fundies, (several of whom have complained when their religious notions get challenged). The inherent hypocrisy is starting to run rampant.
8) - :D !!
Hey maybe falcon9 and duroz should start a thread, maybe something along the lines of the following:
falcon9 & duroz: Practicing Satan worshippers? Do they practice Santeria? Let's 'D & D' !!
You don't see posts from duroz or anyone else complaining when more than one fundie 'gang-up' on one non-religious dissenter.
And also - PERSONAL ATTACK posts are seldom IF EVER seen.
Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for said fundies.....
This also applies to the posting of personal attacks.
The inherent hypocrisy is starting to run rampant.
I couldn't agree more....except I would beg to differ on the "STARTING" portion of your statement....
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Hey maybe falcon9 and duroz should start a thread, maybe something along the lines of the following:
falcon9 & duroz: Practicing Satan worshippers? Do they practice Santeria? Let's 'D & D' !!
No doubt some such speculations have occurred to more than one however, I don't worship anything, (my duties are largely ceremonial <-- ironic humor). Maybe they can speculate about others being wiccan, that might be fun?
You don't see posts from duroz or anyone else complaining when more than one fundie 'gang-up' on one non-religious dissenter.
And also - PERSONAL ATTACK posts are seldom IF EVER seen.
They appear to prefer initiating such, rather than enjoying any occassional 'return fire'.
The inherent hypocrisy is starting to run rampant.
I couldn't agree more....except I would beg to differ on the "STARTING" portion of your statement....
You are correct; I was being sarcastic there.
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wow. i am soo confused. althou ghost hunters and similar shows have made me wonder if heaven and hell exist if we still wander this earth after we die. As for why ppl are critical i think it might be a learned behavior
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As for why ppl are critical i think it might be a learned behavior
One could say that all behavior is either learned or, instinctive. Critical discernment is more likely learned, (such as learning not to touch an open fire, not to walk across a busy highway, etc.). Learning to judge, (making critical discernments), is something that all do to varying extents. Those who claim not to judge are not accurately employing critical discernment to their own thought processes, (e.g., judging without awareness that they are judging).
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Athiest big-wig
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Well,it takes all kinds.There's that old saying:"God puts everyone here for a reason.Even if it's only to show a bad example."
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Athiest big-wig
Fortunately, I lack the ungodly hairpiece to qualify for that.
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Well,it takes all kinds.There's that old saying:"God puts everyone here for a reason.Even if it's only to show a bad example."
There's an even older saying, (that is, predating xtianity by thousands of years); 'which "god" are you yammering about and what makes you think it exists?' {paraphrased}
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They are critical because it makes them feel better when they put others down. They are bitter because their life is miserbale, so being critical gives them a little jolt of excitement.
Alternatively, being critical of the unsupported assertions of others often leads to a more accurate assessment of a given situation/premise. By challenging the validity of a premise, it can often be discerned whetherr or not that premise is accurate. If it is a false premise, the one presenting it may react with resentment and a feeling of being "put down", (such emotional responses are common however, have nothing to do with the content of the premise refuted). Quite often, those who dislike having their unsubstantiated 'opinions' challenged will attack the challenger of those assertions, rather than support their own assertions, (by speculating that the challenger is "bitter", "miserable" or gets some sort of "jolt of excitement" from challenging empty opinions).
Why should people be forced to support every feeling or emotion that they have, and every word or premise that they utter? Just because they do not have the time energy, or interest in doing that doesn't mean they have "empty opinions." They are busy living their lives as they see fit, not analysing every jot and tittle.
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I think I used to be one of those people that were critical. I had ended up becoming really good friends with this girl at work, one of the reasons was because of her attitude, she never was judging people, would stay out of conversations criticizing others, I was so impressed, I knew she would be that way if somebody was talking bout me. I really believe having become friends with her has helped me with my negativity, I am really careful to not say negative things no more. Thanks Sherry!!
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Why should people be forced to support every feeling or emotion that they have, and every word or premise that they utter?
There's no 'force' involved in that regard. Anyone is free to utter or write any supportable or, unsupported statement they wish. The distinctive difference between those is that the former is empty and debatable while the latter either has substantive evidence or, is inconclusive and debatable. Again, no one is "forced" to debate, discuss or support their empty assertions. That doesn't mean that such empty assertions will go unquestioned, unopposed or unchallenged. Any expectation contrary to that is an unreasonable and heavily biased one.
Just because they do not have the time energy, or interest in doing that doesn't mean they have "empty opinions."
True, the opinion isn't empty merely because the time, (or interest), to back it up with substance is lacking. An opinion is empty when no supporting evidence is ever presented or, because there isn't any to support it. Again, anyone is as free to post unsupported, (or supported), opinions as anyone else is to disagree or challenge them.
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I think I used to be one of those people that were critical. I am really careful to not say negative things no more.
Critical thinking, (or making judgement assessments), isn't necessarily "negative". From constructive, ('positive'), criticism to accurately assessing a given situation, judgements are made by anyone faced with decision choices.
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usually people who are very critical are actually insecure.
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usually people who are very critical are actually insecure.
Usually, such unsupported opinions get challenged, (even with no particular expectation that the OP will actually support their opinion at some point). Out of curiousity, are you aware that your "usually people who are very critical are actually insecure" comment is a criticism of those perceived as "very critical" and that this would mean, (according to your empty opinion), that you are "actually insecure"?
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Fortunately, I lack the ungodly hairpiece to qualify for that.
Probably a good thing you're lacking that hairpiece.
In the unlikely event you are tranquilized, duct taped, and dragged into (a) church, and should either falcon9 or church burst into flames, the hairpiece would be instant toast.
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Athiest big-wig
Fortunately, I lack the ungodly hairpiece to qualify for that.
Probably a good thing you're lacking that hairpiece.
In the unlikely event you are tranquilized, duct taped, and dragged into (a) church, and should either falcon9 or church burst into flames, the hairpiece would be instant toast.
It's possible we both initially missed the crucial factor there; the atheist big-wig _hairpiece_ is apparently the accelerant and cause of any flames.
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Athiest big-wig
Fortunately, I lack the ungodly hairpiece to qualify for that.
Probably a good thing you're lacking that hairpiece.
In the unlikely event you are tranquilized, duct taped, and dragged into (a) church, and should either falcon9 or church burst into flames, the hairpiece would be instant toast.
It's possible we both initially missed the crucial factor there; the atheist big-wig _hairpiece_ is apparently the accelerant and cause of any flames.
Okay all I can think about after reading this is - the late 60's song "Fire", by the band "The Crazy World of Arthur Brown"
(Anyone remember this song? The lyrics were "I am the god of hell fire, and I bring you... Fire!")
Anyway, the lead singer in the band, Arthur Brown, liked to wear a burning hat or helmet. At one show where he wore a colander soaked in methanol on his head, the methanol accidentally poured over his head and caught fire. Bystanders poured beer on Brown’s head, dousing the flames, and preventing more serious injuries.
The "Flaming Head" then became an Arthur Brown signature.
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Okay all I can think about after reading this is - the late 60's song "Fire", by the band "The Crazy World of Arthur Brown"
(Anyone remember this song? The lyrics were "I am the god of hell fire, and I bring you... Fire!")
Anyway, the lead singer in the band, Arthur Brown, liked to wear a burning hat or helmet. At one show where he wore a colander soaked in methanol on his head, the methanol accidentally poured over his head and caught fire. Bystanders poured beer on Brown’s head, dousing the flames, and preventing more serious injuries.
The "Flaming Head" then became an Arthur Brown signature.
I vaguely recall the song, (but, was previously unaware of the circumstances described). The first thought to come to mind was, "sure brings a whole new meaning to the phrase 'hothead' ".
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Huh? :dontknow: I need to pray for a little clarity to try to follow that one.
It basically boils down to the hypocrisy of criticizing others for criticizing others. Criticism involves judgements, (which may or may not be accurate - e.g., substantiated or, merely baseless opinion). Everyone judges, despite claims to the contrary.
As an aside, it's humorous to 'pray' for clarity if a resolution was attributed to a supernatural answer.
Oh, I get it. If you can't see it, hear it or touch it, it does not exist. Glad my faith provides a laugh for you today cause at the end of our lives if I am wrong, oh well, but if you are wrong..............
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Huh? :dontknow: I need to pray for a little clarity to try to follow that one.
It basically boils down to the hypocrisy of criticizing others for criticizing others. Criticism involves judgements, (which may or may not be accurate - e.g., substantiated or, merely baseless opinion). Everyone judges, despite claims to the contrary.
As an aside, it's humorous to 'pray' for clarity if a resolution was attributed to a supernatural answer.
Oh, I get it. If you can't see it, hear it or touch it, it does not exist.
Not quite. There are several things, (or even immaterial concepts), that can't be seen, heard or touched and yet, other evidence of their existence exists. Mathematical conceptions don't have sensory evidence however, they have functionality if accurate, (and can often be corellated to physically-extant things). This basis of evidence doesn't apply to hypothetical 'deities', (as they cannot be demonstrated to exist either by sensory or, mathematical evidence). No evidence having veracity has been presented to support assertions of the existence claimed for 'deities', (beyond 'faith'; which does not qualify under the parameters of _evidence_).
Glad my faith provides a laugh for you today cause at the end of our lives if I am wrong, oh well, but if you are wrong..............
I wouldn't say it provided a laugh, (you did imply a request for clarification and it seemed polite to try to clarify, in spite of the apparent spite in the subsequent response you posted). As far as being "wrong", (contextually, you likely mean about the existence of the 'deity' concept you have in mind); it isn't quite the nonchalant "oh well" if you're wrong about it. This would be due to wasting a significant portion of life on wishful-thinking, (not to mention the inherent bias involved in a strongly religious attitude coloring such a person's life). On the other hand, the probability that such "faith" isn't just a pipe-dream is statistically-zero, (pending any substantive evidence).
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I vaguely recall the song, (but, was previously unaware of the circumstances described). The first thought to come to mind was, "sure brings a whole new meaning to the phrase 'hothead' ".
Well yes it does!
I did a little reading about hothead Arthur Brown, and he apparently had more than a couple "heated" mishaps involving his "head o' fire".......bad enough to get them kicked off concert tours, banned from doing shows in Italy, etc.
I can't understand what would.....POSSESS....someone to pour a flammable liquid on their head, and then set fire to it (with or without helmet)?? And not just once, but repeatedly...
and by all means, keep doing it after having a close call or six, or endangered other people.
:-[ OKAY, I went WAY off-topic with this. I apologize to everyone for doing so, and will stop immediately.
We now return to our regularly scheduled program.
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Fortunately, I lack the ungodly hairpiece to qualify for that.
Probably a good thing you're lacking that hairpiece.
In the unlikely event you are tranquilized, duct taped, and dragged into (a) church, and should either falcon9 or church burst into flames, the hairpiece would be instant toast.
I know this is NOT contributing to this topic in a meaningful way, but that almost had my coffee coming out by way of my nostrils.... ;D Thanks, duroz!
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I agree with you everyone seems to think they have to have an opinion for everything. I was always told and taught if you don't have something nice and productive to say then keep your mouth shut. If you think about it the internet has seemed to bring out all the rudeness in folks. Just have to say one thing I have beliefs in God and many other things and others might not. I have learned to just tune out people that bable rudeness and hate. Don't let one person or person even worry your little head or let it effect your beliefs in God or anything. Truth is truth and no one can change it. God bless you :cat:
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Fortunately, I lack the ungodly hairpiece to qualify for that.
Probably a good thing you're lacking that hairpiece.
In the unlikely event you are tranquilized, duct taped, and dragged into (a) church, and should either falcon9 or church burst into flames, the hairpiece would be instant toast.
I know this is NOT contributing to this topic in a meaningful way, but that almost had my coffee coming out by way of my nostrils.... ;D Thanks, duroz!
HEY, jordandog.....I would say you're welcome, but as I nearly made you waste your morning beverage (not to mention being hard on the nose), I won't.
At any rate.....if I was able to make one person get a laugh out of this (& get my stupid humor)....it's all worth it!
So, Thank YOU, jordandog ;) !!
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It is true that some people are always critical. However do not let these few miserable people pull you down to their level. I do my best to avoid them, and if I can not, I let what they have to say go in one ear and out the other. I tend to feel sorry for them, they must be ,a very miserable person to never see the good in most things.
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some people only ever feel good about themselves when others feel bad around them
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some people only ever feel good about themselves when others feel bad around them
Too true.As they say "Misery loves company."Some people aren't happy and can't be happy until they drag someone down to their level. :sad1:
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if falcon wants proof he need only look in the mirror. But he better be prepared to be shocked
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If you think about it the internet has seemed to bring out all the rudeness in folks. I have learned to just tune out people that bable rudeness and hate.
I find your criticism of people that disagree with you, (not with argument), to be judgementally rude babbling, (just to place additional emphasis on the meta-concept of criticism).
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some people only ever feel good about themselves when others feel bad around them
Too true.As they say "Misery loves company."Some people aren't happy and can't be happy until they drag someone down to their level. :sad1:
Conversely, the criticism/judgement can have an entirely different purpose than the speculated one. In this particular instance, it has nothing whatsoever to do with either dragging others down or, descending to their level of hypocrisy.
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if falcon wants proof he need only look in the mirror. But he better be prepared to be shocked
Proof of what, exactly? I am my own worse critic; none of these superficial speculations even come close to the degree to which I question any internal assumptions I may develop. Keeping in mind that not all criticism is 'negative', such questioning challenges one to learn and grow. Whereas not questions assumptions, (including one's own), leads to self-delusion.
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Keeping in mind that not all criticism is 'negative', such questioning challenges one to learn and grow.
See, THIS is what I just don't get.....
Why does NO-ONE (or NUMEROUS FC members, anyway) REALIZE this?
Why don't people UNDERSTAND that questions, challenges, (and yes, even criticism) work to stimulate our brains, and make us think; We may consider things that we hadn't before, look at a topic we're discussing from a different point of view, and/or come up with new ideas.
Thinking is GOOD. How do people not see this, and enjoy the benefit that these "nudges" to their brains (questions or challenges) provide, getting the thinking process rolling again....??
??? :dontknow:
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Keeping in mind that not all criticism is 'negative', such questioning challenges one to learn and grow.
See, THIS is what I just don't get.....
Why does NO-ONE (or NUMEROUS FC members, anyway) REALIZE this?
Why don't people UNDERSTAND that questions, challenges, (and yes, even criticism) work to stimulate our brains, and make us think; We may consider things that we hadn't before, look at a topic we're discussing from a different point of view, and/or come up with new ideas.
Thinking is GOOD. How do people not see this, and enjoy the benefit that these "nudges" to their brains (questions or challenges) provide, getting the thinking process rolling again....??
??? :dontknow:
One could speculate that too many are either unwilling, unable or too lazy to do so. It's a good thing that this does not apply to everyone, otherwise we'd still be living in caves instead of using computers to complain about other's challenging people to question/learn.
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Ok someone help me understand. I cashout 43.25. Now today I check my account and it saids 39.52. Why did they take money away from me. Thats not far.. Someone please help and has this happened to anyone else.
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Ok someone help me understand. I cashout 43.25. Now today I check my account and it saids 39.52. Why did they take money away from me. Thats not far.. Someone please help and has this happened to anyone else.
Check your My Account on the main FC page. Scroll down to "Offers credited to your account" and see if any pending credits were revoked to account for the difference paid. If so, the reasons why will vary, (between offers pending completion at the sponsor's end to those at your end).
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As to the OP's initial question some people are very passionate about certain things. This is sometimes the reason I try to avoid certain topics with people, including politics and religion. I'm sure there are specific things that will push my buttons.
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FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE, NO PROOF IS NEEDED, FOR THOSE WHO DONT, THERE IS NEVER ENOUGH :angel11:
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FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE, NO PROOF IS NEEDED
That essentially epitomizes 'blind faith', (belief without evidence).
FOR THOSE WHO DONT, THERE IS NEVER ENOUGH :angel11:
Zero evidence is insufficient and 'belief' would be unncessary were than any evidence. Consequently, there seems to be an implict requirement of blind faith in religious beliefs, (specifically in NOT having substantive evidence).
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I was wondering why some people are so critical too. Sometimes I don't even want to post here because someone will disagree and be mean about it. I still like that saying "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything" I actually try to live by that.
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I was wondering why some people are so critical too. Sometimes I don't even want to post here because someone will disagree and be mean about it. I still like that saying "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything" I actually try to live by that.
It's a wonder that those who are criticizing others for criticizing others fail to see the inherent hypocrisy of claiming they don't criticize. It certainly isn't living by the 'don't have anything nice to say, say nothing' precept.
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Well,it takes all kinds.There's that old saying:"God puts everyone here for a reason.Even if it's only to show a bad example."
That might partially explain your presence however, there are no valid reasons to attribute this to some speculative 'deity'. It's much more probable that the responsibility for being a "bad example", (of xtianity), lies entirely with you.
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Sometimes it's very hard for others to reconcile themselves with the idea that someone can believe something so different. It threatens their own belief system, challenges it, and instead of agreeing to disagree they become overly critical.
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Sometimes it's very hard for others to reconcile themselves with the idea that someone can believe something so different. It threatens their own belief system, challenges it, and instead of agreeing to disagree they become overly critical.
That would be an accurate assessment of the vast majority of religious adherents however, not of those who hold no religious beliefs and are the ones challenging 'faith'. Opting to "agree to disagree" is a passive-aggressive cop-out for those lacking the courage of their convictions. Instead of simply admitting that their 'faith' has no basis other than the circular one of 'believing' because they 'believe', they attempt to criticize the ones who challenge such empty 'faith'. Since irrationality cannot be rationally substantiated, the indefensible is left with resorting to nonsense.
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Sometimes it's very hard for others to reconcile themselves with the idea that someone can believe something so different. It threatens their own belief system, challenges it, and instead of agreeing to disagree they become overly critical.
That would be an accurate assessment of the vast majority of religious adherents however, not of those who hold no religious beliefs and are the ones challenging 'faith'. Opting to "agree to disagree" is a passive-aggressive cop-out for those lacking the courage of their convictions. Instead of simply admitting that their 'faith' has no basis other than the circular one of 'believing' because they 'believe', they attempt to criticize the ones who challenge such empty 'faith'. Since irrationality cannot be rationally substantiated, the indefensible is left with resorting to nonsense.
Oh... go outside and get some fresh air, it might do you some good! :thumbsup:
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Sometimes it's very hard for others to reconcile themselves with the idea that someone can believe something so different. It threatens their own belief system, challenges it, and instead of agreeing to disagree they become overly critical.
That would be an accurate assessment of the vast majority of religious adherents however, not of those who hold no religious beliefs and are the ones challenging 'faith'. Opting to "agree to disagree" is a passive-aggressive cop-out for those lacking the courage of their convictions. Instead of simply admitting that their 'faith' has no basis other than the circular one of 'believing' because they 'believe', they attempt to criticize the ones who challenge such empty 'faith'. Since irrationality cannot be rationally substantiated, the indefensible is left with resorting to nonsense.
Oh... go outside and get some fresh air, it might do you some good! :thumbsup:
Thanks, I make it a point to get outside everyday before letting some fresh air into the stale circularity of religious adherents' non-rebuttals.
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Thanks, I make it a point to get outside everyday before letting some fresh air into the stale circularity of religious adherents' non-rebuttals.
You might want to go back out and get some more then because according to most of your posts...it's quite clear that you're suffering from lack of oxygen...
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You might want to go back out and get some more then because according to most of your posts...it's quite clear that you're suffering from lack of oxygen...
Your ad hominem in lieu of rebuttal is merely further evidence of your making baseless assertions. Thank you for providing further examples of the hypocrisy of criticizing others who criticize others for criticizing others. That's so meta-critical and makes my point.
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You might want to go back out and get some more then because according to most of your posts...it's quite clear that you're suffering from lack of oxygen...
Your ad hominem in lieu of rebuttal is merely further evidence of your making baseless assertions. Thank you for providing further examples of the hypocrisy of criticizing others who criticize others for criticizing others. That's so meta-critical and makes my point.
Perhaps your drawers are on too tight... maybe backwards?
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You might want to go back out and get some more then because according to most of your posts...it's quite clear that you're suffering from lack of oxygen...
Your ad hominem in lieu of rebuttal is merely further evidence of your making baseless assertions. Thank you for providing further examples of the hypocrisy of criticizing others who criticize others for criticizing others. That's so meta-critical and makes my point.
Perhaps your drawers are on too tight... maybe backwards?
Your sudden interest in my underwear has little to do with a rebuttal save that it constitutes another example of your making empty assertions, (and perhaps, a certain degree of 'creepy-stalk' on your part).
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You might want to go back out and get some more then because according to most of your posts...it's quite clear that you're suffering from lack of oxygen...
Perhaps your drawers are on too tight... maybe backwards?
Nice to see the Personal Attack Monster is rearing it's ugly head again.... :angry7:
A rather pitiful way to carry on a discussion.
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You might want to go back out and get some more then because according to most of your posts...it's quite clear that you're suffering from lack of oxygen...
Perhaps your drawers are on too tight... maybe backwards?
Nice to see the Personal Attack Monster is rearing it's ugly head again.... :angry7:
A rather pitiful way to carry on a discussion.
Apparently, that's all they've got, in lieu of a cognizant rebuttal. It's almost as if it were a tacit 'surrender' while implicitly declaring some sort of 'victory' on their part. Sure, such irrationality is one way to go but, it backfires on 'em.
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I really don't understand why some people have to be so critical of others. There are a lot of things that people do that I don't agree with or don't like but if you don't agree you don't have to try and make the other person feel bad just because you don't happen to feel the same way.
[/Tigerlily01, I agree with you totally!!! People don't follow the golden rule much anymore: TREAT PEOPLE THE WAY YOU WOULD WANT THEM TO TREAT YOU. Just remembering this simple rule can change some peoples ways of thinking. :peace:quote]
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I really don't understand why some people have to be so critical of others. There are a lot of things that people do that I don't agree with or don't like but if you don't agree you don't have to try and make the other person feel bad just because you don't happen to feel the same way.
Such a criticism of others is ironic; moreso when an inaccurate intent is assumed, ("... to try and make the other person feel bad just because you don't happen to feel the same way").
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You might want to go back out and get some more then because according to most of your posts...it's quite clear that you're suffering from lack of oxygen...
Perhaps your drawers are on too tight... maybe backwards?
Nice to see the Personal Attack Monster is rearing it's ugly head again.... :angry7:
A rather pitiful way to carry on a discussion.
It is pitiful, please go stick your head back in the sand.
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Apparently, that's all they've got, in lieu of a cognizant rebuttal. It's almost as if it were a tacit 'surrender' while implicitly declaring some sort of 'victory' on their part. Sure, such irrationality is one way to go but, it backfires on 'em.
What's the matter buster? You were having so much fun trolling on the 'fundies' and now you don't like that the tables have turned, and I'm poking fun of your 'undies'?? ;D
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It is pitiful, please go stick your head back in the sand.
Yet ANOTHER Personal Attack??
(Where might you return YOUR head to, though....??)
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It is pitiful, please go stick your head back in the sand.
Yet ANOTHER Personal Attack??
(Where might you return YOUR head to, though....??)
And the troll is yelling "persecution" again... ::)
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It is pitiful, please go stick your head back in the sand.
Yet ANOTHER Personal Attack??
(Where might you return YOUR head to, though....??)
And the troll is yelling "persecution" again... ::)
Nah, just pointing out that you have to resort to name calling and personal attacks to post.....
"troll is yelling persecution" would imply that I gave a crap WHAT you say about me. ;D
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It is pitiful, please go stick your head back in the sand.
Yet ANOTHER Personal Attack??
(Where might you return YOUR head to, though....??)
And the troll is yelling "persecution" again... ::)
Nah, just pointing out that you have to resort to name calling and personal attacks to post.....
"troll is yelling persecution" would imply that I gave a crap WHAT you say about me. ;D
you must to keep following me around the forum like you do. If you take a "looksy", you'll see that I haven't been following you. Take another "looksy", enjoy this post because it'll be my last to you-- go find someone else to bait.
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you must to keep following me around the forum like you do.
If you take a "looksy", you'll see that I haven't been following you. Take another "looksy", enjoy this post because it'll be my last to you-- go find someone else to bait.
Responding to posts, (especially those quoting respondants), isn't merely them "following around". Many people who try twisting the post/exchange posts discussions into such terms, (while they are continuing to reply as well), have failed to apprehend the underlying concept.
Further, accusing others of 'baiting' while the content of the accusser's post consists of 'baiting' is hypocritcal.
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you must to keep following me around the forum like you do.
If you take a "looksy", you'll see that I haven't been following you. Take another "looksy", enjoy this post because it'll be my last to you-- go find someone else to bait.
Responding to posts, (especially those quoting respondants), isn't merely them "following around". Many people who try twisting the post/exchange posts discussions into such terms, (while they are continuing to reply as well), have failed to apprehend the underlying concept.
Further, accusing others of 'baiting' while the content of the accusser's post consists of 'baiting' is hypocritcal.
Reeallly? Anyone can look at my posts and see where and when deroz starts posting to me and what those posts consist of and see for themselves if they don't see a troll trying to bait. It's fairly obvious.
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What's the matter buster? You were having so much fun trolling on the 'fundies' ...
Your perception is inaccurate; the fundies initially posted their unsupported assertions, (which could be considered to be 'trolling' under the common parameters of that term), and I challenged their unsubstantiated assertions. Such challenges do not fall under the parameters of 'trolling' unless there are no subsequent discussions. Since followup replies were posted, (at least until the fundies bailed), those challenges are not 'trollings' under the meaning of that term.
... and now you don't like that the tables have turned, and I'm poking fun of your 'undies'?? ;D
The tables have not been turned since your claim that I was "trolling" has been refuted. As for you poking at my underwear, my girlfriend wouldn't let you get close enough. Metaphorically, you still haven't gotten close enough as your ad hominems have consistly missed by wide margins. Hopefully, you won't have such poor aim should the zombie apocalypse occur, (e.g., fundies take over).
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you must to keep following me around the forum like you do.
If you take a "looksy", you'll see that I haven't been following you. Take another "looksy", enjoy this post because it'll be my last to you-- go find someone else to bait.
Responding to posts, (especially those quoting respondants), isn't merely them "following around". Many people who try twisting the post/exchange posts discussions into such terms, (while they are continuing to reply as well), have failed to apprehend the underlying concept.
Further, accusing others of 'baiting' while the content of the accusser's post consists of 'baiting' is hypocritcal.
Reeallly? Anyone can look at my posts and see where and when deroz starts posting to me and what those posts consist of and see for themselves if they don't see a troll trying to bait. It's fairly obvious.
The posts remain in this thread, as does the sequence of posts. Your posts, (which were accurately described as "name-calling" and even 'baiting'), _preceded_ "duroz's" subsequent comments. Are you trying to censor where and what "duroz" can post to by characterizing their replies as "following" you around?
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@falcon9
The posts remain in this thread, as does the sequence of posts. Your posts, (which were accurately described as "name-calling" and even 'baiting'), _preceded_ "duroz's" subsequent comments. Are you trying to censor where and what "duroz" can post to by characterizing their replies as "following" you around?
He can post whatever & where ever he wants. It's terribly ironic however that everytime I have a conflicting opinion with one of two people on this forum...he shows right up and starts his mud-slinging. I won't be baited, you don't have a problem with that, do you?
If you think you haven't insulted people, maybe we should start a thread and let everyone dissect your posts and post all the insults you have posted (since there are so many of them that no one person would have the time to backtrack through endless pages of pretentious drivel that is intended to appear wise, but which generally makes little sense (if any)).
I'm not sure if you've posted all that gibberish in the hope that it'll either bore or confuse to death those with whom you disagree.
You're definitely "a pursuitist who gromulates his adversarial computerists with height defining formulations to the disinterestingest adjunct."
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It's terribly ironic however that everytime I have a conflicting opinion with one of two people on this forum...
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That's not irony, as "Abrupt" previously indicated.
he shows right up and starts his mud-slinging. I won't be baited, you don't have a problem with that, do you?
He didn't however, 'show right up and started' - he replied to that which you started. It's right there in the relavent threads, in Sequence. You seem to feel that you can engage in "baiting" while inaccurately accusing others of initiating it. Other than that, I don't have a real problem with you posting as wished - as long as this is reciprocated, (which it hasn't been lately).
If you think you haven't insulted people, maybe we should start a thread and let everyone dissect your posts and post all the insults you have posted (since there are so many of them that no one person would have the time to backtrack through endless pages of pretentious drivel that is intended to appear wise, but which generally makes little sense (if any)).
Go for it. While you're at it, note your 'insults' consisting of "pretentious drivel", "gibberish", "bore" and some unattributed quoted 'gibberish' below:
I'm not sure if you've posted all that gibberish in the hope that it'll either bore or confuse to death those with whom you disagree.
You're definitely "a pursuitist who gromulates his adversarial computerists with height defining formulations to the disinterestingest adjunct."
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I think that could be just a problem with self-confidence and being insecure. Those that tend to pick on people (like high school bullies) are just uncomfortable in their own skin, so they pick on others smaller, weaker, or seemingly less intelligent to make themselves seem superior. Don't let rude comments bother you!
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I think that could be just a problem with self-confidence and being insecure. Those that tend to pick on people (like high school bullies) are just uncomfortable in their own skin, so they pick on others smaller, weaker, or seemingly less intelligent to make themselves seem superior. Don't let rude comments bother you!
Good way to put that. :)
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you must to keep following me around the forum like you do.
:o Following YOU?!?! :o Oh please somebody help me if ever do that....
Why would I follow you? You're going the wrong way...
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I think that could be just a problem with self-confidence and being insecure. Those that tend to pick on people (like high school bullies) are just uncomfortable in their own skin, so they pick on others smaller, weaker, or seemingly less intelligent to make themselves seem superior. Don't let rude comments bother you!
Good way to put that. :)
Except for where such speculations are completely off-base ...
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you must to keep following me around the forum like you do.
:o Following YOU?!?! :o Oh please somebody help me if ever do that....
Why would I follow you? You're going the wrong way...
Bahaha. The thing is, of few of "Sheryls" posts have implied that only _she's_ allowed to "follow", (presumably post responses to posts), and tacitly implies nobody should do this. Next, she may imply that if more than one member posts to her, it isn't at all like when more than one other fundie replies to the same post, (speculating as an extrapolation of the current pattern only, of course).
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Bahaha. The thing is, of few of "Sheryls" posts have implied that only _she's_ allowed to "follow", (presumably post responses to posts), and tacitly implies nobody should do this. Next, she may imply that if more than one member posts to her, it isn't at all like when more than one other fundie replies to the same post, (speculating as an extrapolation of the current pattern only, of course).
More trolling nonsense from falcon9!! ...
(http://dl8.glitter-graphics.net/pub/401/401508d8msk518a1.gif) (http://www.glitter-graphics.com)
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I def agree with you.
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I love that video clip Sheryl!
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I really don't understand why some people have to be so critical of others. There are a lot of things that people do that I don't agree with or don't like but if you don't agree you don't have to try and make the other person feel bad just because you don't happen to feel the same way.
Exactly! Have you ever noticed that people who criticize and talk about others are actually talking about themselves?
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More trolling nonsense from falcon9!! ...
Sure, because any _reply_ is now called "trolling", (if words can be redefined arbitrarily).
Parking an invisible pink unicorn in the garage doesn't redefine it as a "car".
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More trolling nonsense from falcon9!! ...
Okay so if you don't have anything to say in reply.....
JUST KEEP YELLING TROLL!!!
(but try to make it LOOK unique with graphics, glitter, etc. OR just post it with slightly different wording, and hope others don't notice)
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More trolling nonsense from falcon9!! ...
Okay so if you don't have anything to say in reply.....
JUST KEEP YELLING TROLL!!!
(but try to make it LOOK unique with graphics, glitter, etc. OR just post it with slightly different wording, and hope others don't notice)
TROLLING!!
;) Thought I'd save SherylsShado the trouble of posting this......