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To those that don't believe or choose to not care, are you in the least afraid of where your soul goes when it leaves the flesh?
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I'm an atheist and I'm not afraid, I know that my body will rot in the ground when I die.
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To those that don't believe or choose to not care, are you in the least afraid of where your soul goes when it leaves the flesh?
Now if I were scared I would choose to believe in the same imaginary stuff you do, wouldn't I?
Your question is flawed on so many counts...you are equating "belief" with "proof of existence", which is pretty funny because "belief" implies the subject is not proven in reality.
Secondly, you are confusing one's personality with this magical concept of a soul. Personality is a proven byproduct of the brain; a "soul" is an unproven invention of religion.
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Everyone goes to heaven. Don't you watch "Long Island Medium" on TLC?
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It is sad to see the responses I get to this question, but the road is narrow and I pray that something comes into your life that reveals Christ to you. I have seen things that secure my belief, so anything an athiest could ever say couldn't move me, but I pray for the ones that our run by satan, because doubt is his number one tool, to place it in your head so you do not see the truth.
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no i'm not. There doesn't HAVE to be a place we go. We could just be gone.
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Anywhere is better than here, especially after you watch the evening news. :BangHead: :angry7: :BangHead: :angry7:
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So the devil was forced to run hell by God? As punishment. No one wants to be in hell, including the devil. Because hell is awful. Even for the guy who runs it, the devil.
If it were so bad, wouldn't the devil just put out some of the fires? Maybe put in an air conditioning system.
OR.... Are you telling me that God gave Satan the power to make me vote for Barrack Obama but NOT the power to provide himself reasonable living conditions? Please clarify.
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HELL NO!!!!! I will go in a furnace and turn into ashes when I die-where are you goin'??? :thumbsup:
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I do believe in God, but I'm not afraid of where I'll go. I think our souls are infinite and moving closer to God and even though we're all progressing at different rates, we'll all get there eventually....
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... the road is narrow and I pray...
Well, your religious perspective does narrow your mind ...
... that something comes into your life that reveals Christ to you. I have seen things that secure my belief...
No doubt you are inaccurately attributing an effect to a false cause, (unless you can provide evidence which directly attributes such effects to a specific deital cause?)
... so anything an athiest could ever say couldn't move me ...
Proudly blind and not open to reason?
but I pray for the ones that our run by satan, because doubt is his number one tool, to place it in your head so you do not see the truth.
It's 'are', not "our" and didn't your mythology claim that lies were that archangel's main tool, (maybe they meant jhvh's main tool was lies).
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As I have always been told: "I would rather die a believer and find out that He doesn't exist, than to be a NON-Believer and find out he DOES"
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As I have always been told: "I would rather die a believer and find out that He doesn't exist, than to be a NON-Believer and find out he DOES"
There's that "gambler's fallacy", (in an abbreviated form of Pascal's Wager). "Since there have been many religions throughout history, and therefore many conceptions of God (or gods), some assert that all of them need to be factored into the wager, in an argument known as the argument from inconsistent revelations. This, its proponents argue, would lead to a high probability of believing in "the wrong god", which, they claim, eliminates the mathematical advantage Pascal claimed with his Wager."
No one had to tell me that it is better to not waste life believing superstitious nonsense than to face it head on.
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I believe in GOD but im not sure where we will go.....what im trying to understand is why spirits are still here on earth? u hear about these ghost hunters that see and hear these spirits that have died many years ago....The question is y are they still here? Are they lost? do they know they are even dead?
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It is sad to see the responses I get to this question, but the road is narrow and I pray that something comes into your life that reveals Christ to you.
The road IS narrow and sadly, many that think they will be in Heaven are going to find out they won't be. This really hit home for me this past week when I saw a video clip of a pastor that died and an angel showed him Heaven. Then the angel showed him Hell. After he watched & heard the tormented, the angel told him that if he had died that day, there in Hell is where he'd be. The pastor asked how that could be, he was a pastor. The angel said it was because there was unforgiveness in his heart. If one can't forgive others, God can't forgive them. One can't sow unforgiveness and then reap forgiveness. The pastor was told to come back and tell others. He was so lucky to have gotten a second chance.
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The road IS narrow and sadly ...
Such a "road" is made as "narrow" as any religious strictures adherered to make it, (by preventing one blinded by 'faith' to 'see' any other viewpoint which does not agree with their narrow road).
... many that think they will be in Heaven are going to find out they won't be.
Many decline to believe in either religious mythological fiction because, there's no reason to, (nor supporting evidence).
This really hit home for me this past week when I saw a video clip of a pastor that died and an angel showed him Heaven.
Presumably, this is not being represented as evidence of anything other than a fictionalized clip intended to depict a religious precept, (although, like numerous other allegedly-xtian precepts, this idea also preceded xtianity). Originally, the idea was not just to "forgive one's enemies" but, 'to forgive those who meant well too'. The second one is more subtle and largely omitted by xtians.
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I don't believe in hell.
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I don't believe in hell.
Nor "heaven" or, is your disbelief asymetrical?
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I was raised Catholic my whole life and taught to believe in Christ or I will go to hell. However, as I've gotten older my view has changed and I have been jaded by the so-called "holy people" who do bad things (like molest children). I still believe in God, however I don't like being told to "believe" or I will rot in hell. Yes, the thought scares me, but I don't want to believe in something out of fear. I'm sure God would not want that.
Also, are you saying that your loved ones who are non-believers are in hell? Wouldn't that make the heaven a very lonely place if you were there and nobody you ever loved was there with you? You may THINK they're going there, but you don't truly know what's in someone's heart. It just makes me wonder....
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Originally, the idea was not just to "forgive one's enemies" but, 'to forgive those who meant well too'. The second one is more subtle and largely omitted by xtians.
btw, falcon9...after I saw that clip about unforgiveness and all, you & duroz are no longer on "ignore". I'm not saying that "you meant well" because I don't know what you meant but it surely didn't come across as "meaning well". Anyhow, it doesn't matter. Having you both on ignore felt like "unforgiveness" to me and there simply isn't any. I wish you both well, I sincerely mean that. Regardless of whether hell exists or not, I'm sorry for that and won't put anyone on "ignore" again...it just didn't "feel/seem" right, even though it was "peaceful". ;) (jk, kinda missed ya!)
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Originally, the idea was not just to "forgive one's enemies" but, 'to forgive those who meant well too'. The second one is more subtle and largely omitted by xtians.
btw, falcon9...after I saw that clip about unforgiveness and all, you & duroz are no longer on "ignore". I'm not saying that "you meant well" because I don't know what you meant but it surely didn't come across as "meaning well".
Although vague, you could be referring to the whole 'prayer' thing or, something completely different. Either way, I'll admit only to being extremely subtle, (which may account for any misinterpretations of how things come across).
Anyhow, it doesn't matter. Having you both on ignore felt like "unforgiveness" to me and there simply isn't any.
While I cannot speak for "duroz", I can say that neither forgiveness nor quarter were asked for/required. It was always your choice to use the ignore function or not, (or to simply reply or not reply).
I wish you both well, I sincerely mean that. Regardless of whether hell exists or not, I'm sorry for that and won't put anyone on "ignore" again...it just didn't "feel/seem" right, even though it was "peaceful". ;) (jk, kinda missed ya!)
Look me straight in the eye and tell me you missed the relentless nature of my discussion & debate style without grinning or cracking up outright. Go on, try it. Was that a snicker?
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The question makes no sense. If the person does not believe in a God nor cares then by extension of that they would not care or believe in their soul going to a heaven nor a hell.
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The question makes no sense. If the person does not believe in a God nor cares then by extension of that they would not care or believe in their soul going to a heaven nor a hell.
That would hold true for an atheist but, not necessarily for all agnostics, (or, say pagan believers in animism or, polytheists). From this side of the "veil", we guess. From the other side of it, we'd either 'know' or, would have no way of knowing. Presumably, the general fear of physical death is the not knowing beforehand, (which some religions and philosophies attempt to address in advance/while alive, preying on such fears).
The Aegyptian Book of The Dead, ("The Book of Coming Forth By Day"), was purported to be an 'instruction manual', whether just for pharoahs or not. Of course, those ancients never heard of the xtian "god" until several thousand years after their conception of a nine-part "soul", (some aspects of which could supposedly survive physical death of the body while others could not). So far, no one who has followed those 'instructions' has reported back on their effacacy. Neither has anyone come back to report of conditions in an alleged "heaven", "hell", "Valhalla", "hel", "shoel" or wherever Houdini promised to recon.
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The question makes no sense. If the person does not believe in a God nor cares then by extension of that they would not care or believe in their soul going to a heaven nor a hell.
That would hold true for an atheist but, not necessarily for all agnostics, (or, say pagan believers in animism or, polytheists). From this side of the "veil", we guess. From the other side of it, we'd either 'know' or, would have no way of knowing. Presumably, the general fear of physical death is the not knowing beforehand, (which some religions and philosophies attempt to address in advance/while alive, preying on such fears).
The Aegyptian Book of The Dead, ("The Book of Coming Forth By Day"), was purported to be an 'instruction manual', whether just for pharoahs or not. Of course, those ancients never heard of the xtian "god" until several thousand years after their conception of a nine-part "soul", (some aspects of which could supposedly survive physical death of the body while others could not). So far, no one who has followed those 'instructions' has reported back on their effacacy. Neither has anyone come back to report of conditions in an alleged "heaven", "hell", "Valhalla", "hel", "shoel" or wherever Houdini promised to recon.
True which is why I said "doesn't believe in aGod'. For example Recons don't believe in an everlasting hell. A hell or hell like place yes but not an all eternal, burn forever untill the end of time fire and brimstone hell.
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For example Recons don't believe in an everlasting hell. A hell or hell like place yes but not an all eternal, burn forever untill the end of time fire and brimstone hell.
Do you mean something along the lines of a 'Get Out of Hel Free' card?
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Although vague, you could be referring to the whole 'prayer' thing or, something completely different. Either way, I'll admit only to being extremely subtle, (which may account for any misinterpretations of how things come across).
Yes, I was referring to the whole 'prayer' thing. I didn't (and still don't) feel that tigerlilly needed any more grief added to what she was already dealing with. Sometimes I expect others "to be perfect" and then dissappointment follows when they aren't, and then "silent treatment" follows while I try to deal with the disappointment. People aren't perfect, I'm not perfect and I'm sorry for expecting you & others to be.
I can say that neither forgiveness nor quarter were asked for/required. It was always your choice to use the ignore function or not, (or to simply reply or not reply).
Neither of you needed to ask, I felt my behavior was wrong a week or two ago and tried to ignore it. I couldn't ignore it anymore. I don't believe I should be living the kind of life where I have to put people on "ignore".
Look me straight in the eye and tell me you missed the relentless nature of my discussion & debate style without grinning or cracking up outright. Go on, try it. Was that a snicker?
I CAN'T believe you would even ask me that... giggles... ;D
Seriously, there's nothing wrong with your D&D "style"...everyone has to be free to be themselves. :peace:
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The question makes no sense. If the person does not believe in a God nor cares then by extension of that they would not care or believe in their soul going to a heaven nor a hell.
Exactly. It's still rather annoying and disturbing to have others believe in it, though, no matter how imaginary.
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I doubt there are many athiest that are afraid of what happens to them when they die. Just because if they did then they would pretend to be religious just like a lot of the phonies that are already out there.
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Yes, I was referring to the whole 'prayer' thing. I didn't (and still don't) feel that tigerlilly needed any more grief added to what she was already dealing with. Sometimes I expect others "to be perfect" and then dissappointment follows when they aren't, and then "silent treatment" follows while I try to deal with the disappointment. People aren't perfect, I'm not perfect and I'm sorry for expecting you & others to be.
As previously mentioned, the form of the suggestions made were perhaps too subtle, (though neither "perfection" nor added "grief" were intended).
I can say that neither forgiveness nor quarter were asked for/required. It was always your choice to use the ignore function or not, (or to simply reply or not reply).
Neither of you needed to ask, I felt my behavior was wrong a week or two ago and tried to ignore it. I couldn't ignore it anymore. I don't believe I should be living the kind of life where I have to put people on "ignore".
Okay, so the process was more for your own peace of mind than apologetic, (and that's cool). As far as ignoring people generally or, specifically, it's quite possible to do so without 'announcing' it, (e.g., there's a cellphone provider advertising their plan which has a teenaged girl calling a guy to tell him that she's giving him the silent treatment ... when he lets her know that that's not how it works, she stops talking. While this is nearly universally-amusing to women and teenage girls, it emphasizes something else entirely - which does not escape others).
Seriously, there's nothing wrong with your D&D "style"...everyone has to be free to be themselves. :peace:
Some would disagree however, few of those who do can strongly srgue why. :o
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If the person does not believe in a God nor cares then by extension of that they would not care or believe in their soul going to a heaven nor a hell.
It's still rather annoying and disturbing to have others believe in it, though, no matter how imaginary.
Can you explain why this is annoying and disturbing? It's good to get other perspectives, (not just to let any 'god-botherers' know that they're annoying & disturbing).
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Yes, the thought scares me, but I don't want to believe in something out of fear. I'm sure God would not want that.
You should believe out of love. That is what God wants.
P.S. I am also Catholic and was taught to believe out of God's immense love for us.
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if a person doesn't believe in God and heaven...then they don't believe in the devil or hell either...so no, they probably don't worry about where they are going
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if a person doesn't believe in God and heaven...then they don't believe in the devil or hell either...so no, they probably don't worry about where they are going
That conclusion doesn't logically follow from the premise. A person can hold no religious beliefs and still be somewhat concerned about going no where or, somewhere entirely different than religious guesses posit.
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the bible says only 3 people will burn in fire if you read it but the ones who dont be leave will be separated forever liveing with out love or hope
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the bible says only 3 people will burn in fire if you read it but the ones who dont be leave will be separated forever liveing with out love or hope
??? Post your source please (the book, chapter, verse and translation)...
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the bible says only 3 people will burn in fire if you read it but the ones who dont be leave will be separated forever liveing with out love or hope
??? Post your source please (the book, chapter, verse and translation)...
The reference is obviously to 'The Three Stooges Go To Hel', chap. 1, vs. 1 ... "slowly I turned, step by step, inch by inch and suddenly, was in Hel ..."
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the bible says only 3 people will burn in fire if you read it but the ones who dont be leave will be separated forever liveing with out love or hope
??? Post your source please (the book, chapter, verse and translation)...
The reference is obviously to 'The Three Stooges Go To Hel', chap. 1, vs. 1 ... "slowly I turned, step by step, inch by inch and suddenly, was in Hel ..."
falcon9, I've really missed the fun & your sense of humor...I'm really glad I decided to get you off of 'ignore' and I truly am sorry for being such a 'snot' to you.
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To those that don't believe or choose to not care, are you in the least afraid of where your soul goes when it leaves the flesh?
i am one that cares and i do belive in godand i try to stay straight so i dont have to worry about where my soul is going when it leave the body.
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the bible says only 3 people will burn in fire if you read it but the ones who dont be leave will be separated forever liveing with out love or hope
??? Post your source please (the book, chapter, verse and translation)...
The reference is obviously to 'The Three Stooges Go To Hel', chap. 1, vs. 1 ... "slowly I turned, step by step, inch by inch and suddenly, was in Hel ..."
falcon9, I've really missed the fun & your sense of humor...I'm really glad I decided to get you off of 'ignore' and I truly am sorry for being such a 'snot' to you.
You can hardly be blamed for this as it is known that I must be an agent of satan, (although my duties are largely ceremonial), according to the other xtians here. Of course, this is pure speculation on their part - now point me toward the virgins.
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So with all that has been said, what do you believe in falcon9? You have a lot of argument against God, religion and the likes...but you don't say what you believe in. So I am curious.
And as for the question, I believe in God, I feel the Holy Spirit so I know that I am going to Heaven. And for those of you that want to argue feeling the Holy Spirit, until you feel it, you can not really argue it. I also believe that everyone, pretty much no matter what will go to Heaven. I feel that there are only a few things that God will not forgive; suicide is one, because you are not supposed to take your own life. And possibly murder, because you have taken someone elses life.
I feel that everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and their reasoning behind them. And everyone is allowed to speak their own mind as long as they aren't trying to cram their beliefs down others throats. I go to a very liberal church.....I am even a lesbian and was accepted whole heartedly into my church, I am a member, been baptized and even sing in the choir...I wouldn't give up my church or beliefs for anything...and that is all I have to say about my church. :angel11:
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as it is known that I must be an agent of satan, (although my duties are largely ceremonial), according to the other xtians here.
@falcon9
Unless you've chosen to be an "agent of the devil", you are NOT an "agent of the devil". ::) (Other christians should remember that except for the grace of God, they could still be "full of the devil" themselves...not everyone finds/accepts God at the same age, time or place in life. Just because one has received salvation doesn't give them the right to condemn those who haven't.)
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@falcon9
Unless you've chosen to be an "agent of the devil", you are NOT an "agent of the devil". ::)
What, and remove the sense of mystery by confirming or denying such a rumor?
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As an atheist, i may not believe if there is a god, but don't disrespect other religious beliefs just like i would want them to for atheists. :peace: :wave:
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I do believe there's a God! But for the one's that don't believe should read the bible or bible's, hell would be scary for a lot of people, but too many choose to only think of good thought's! Hope you have a blessed day! :angel12:
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I do believe there's a God! But for the one's that don't believe should read the bible or bible's ...
Why would anyone do that, considering that 'bibles' aren't valid reference sources for those who find no valid evidence of their accuracy and aren't willing to 'take it on faith' alone?
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I believe in God and I know were I am going, let's hope you all know were you are going.
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I believe in God and I know were I am going ...
A belief does not confer knowledge. Having a religious 'faith' is not the same as knowing where, (or if), you're "going" anywhere. How many regular people have returned to let the living know such things, (not counting fictional accounts of a jewish zombie)?
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There is one thing I learn in World History in religions through the time. That is forgiveness. That is not what I learn in bible. I absorbed that word in my mind and blended it with the forgiveness that I did own. God's forgiveness is not impossible. In supreme of forgiveness, that is what I stay at my highness. If anyone disagreed with my highness and don't believe I am able to stay there. Please give me a chance to teach you something instead God, because I won't get mad to whatever you done to me as God did. God, my Highness, please guide your sinful fellow on a way of liberty of passage.
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now point me toward the virgins.
http://www.comic-con.org/cci/
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So with all that has been said, what do you believe in falcon9? You have a lot of argument against God, religion and the likes...but you don't say what you believe in. So I am curious.
I don't hold religious beliefs, so the question is a non sequitur.
And as for the question, I believe in God, I feel the Holy Spirit so I know that I am going to Heaven. And for those of you that want to argue feeling the Holy Spirit, until you feel it, you can not really argue it.
That is not a rational line of reasoning; it presupposes that there is something to "feel", (which is vaguely designated as "holy spirit" and requires 'faith' in a supernatural concept). This supernatural concept can not only be argued, it can be disputed while requiring that those who claim such a thing produce hard evidence that such a thing exists. If no such evidence, (beyond dubious 'testimony' from religious adherents, which does not constitute evidence), can be produced, the claim is specious.
I feel that everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and their reasoning behind them.
Indeed, I have specified several times that people are generall free to believe whatever nonsense they wish to believe however, please refrain from misuse of the word "reasoning" in the context of belief; there is no reasoning behind beliefs - that's why they're superstitions and not factual.
And everyone is allowed to speak their own mind as long as they aren't trying to cram their beliefs down others throats.
Therein lies the hypocrisy of religious adherents; the incessant mention of their religious beliefs can be construed as "trying to cram their beliefs down others ...". Conversely, those same 'crammers' seem to object to the expression of opposing viewpoints After the initial religious evangelicisms are posted. Since religious adherents are apparently unwilling or unable to resist evangelical posts, (whether under the guise of 'speaking their own mind' or merely interjected those beliefs into a non-religious subject thread), they have no basis for objecting to others posting dissenting views. Simply put; you are as free to post religious beliefs as others are to post opposing viewpoints to those beliefs.
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There is one thing I learn in World History in religions through the time. That is forgiveness. That is not what I learn in bible. I absorbed that word in my mind and blended it with the forgiveness that I did own. God's forgiveness is not impossible. In supreme of forgiveness, that is what I stay at my highness. If anyone disagreed with my highness and don't believe I am able to stay there. Please give me a chance to teach you something instead God, because I won't get mad to whatever you done to me as God did. God, my Highness, please guide your sinful fellow on a way of liberty of passage.
It remains unclear from your post whether or not you also took an English course, (and passed it), but it is doubtful from what was posted. Nevertheless, in trying to parse that jumble of words, your offer of evangelicizing here will not go unopposed.
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Recently I had time with a man who said he did not believe in God. when I aked him of where he planned to spend eternity, he said he did not believe in that either. I asked him, why? He said he did not believe in life after death the way others (religious people) believed. He believed that the body expires like a driver's license, and the spirit lives on like the law governing the need for a driver's license. He said he has watched a lot of spirit based movies and is convinced that life after death exists in many spiritual places. This is a teaching that is prevelent today and most people do not believe in Christian end of life teaching. One thing is true though, everyone worries about what lies on the other side of this life and fear of not knowing becames the mother of al denials.
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I don't believe in deities, divine creators, or gods of any kind. We are each our own god. I'm not afraid of what happens after death, because I won't have the ability to experience it. Soul = Mind/Heart/Emotions/Impulses, which all cease without a living brain to give them meaning.
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I am not afraid of where I will go. Simply because I don't believe in heaven or hell. Out of all the religions out there, Christianity and the like are the most unreasonable, mythological and down right ridiculous out there. It is unbelievable, and contradicting. Christians pick and choose which part of the religion they wish to follow. If you followed the bible to the letter, you agree that man has power over women and that women should remain quiet is that not right?
Timothy 2:12, "But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet."
or does that part not count?
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I'm going to Heaven to be with my maker, regardless of anyone else thinks or believes.
I am a Christian and choose to follow Him :heart:
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I'm going to Heaven to be with my maker, regardless of anyone else thinks or believes.
This is merely a baseless religious belief, (in that it relies solely upon 'faith'), and has nothing to do with what happens after physical death, regardless of holding a specious belief.
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I believe in Heaven and Hell but right now I'm more focused on what I'm doing in my physical life.
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I thing that people who don't believe in God also don't believe in hell, of course thats my opinion. :angel11:
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I do believe in God!!! And I know we will all go to heaven!!! :angel11:
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I do believe in God!!! And I know we will all go to heaven!!! :angel11:
'This is merely a baseless religious belief, (in that it relies solely upon 'faith'), and has nothing to do with what happens after physical death, regardless of holding a specious belief.'
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I do believe in a higher consciousness and I have already passed and returned twice in this lifetime. After experiencing those two events I am not the least bit afraid of dying.
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I do believe in a higher consciousness and I have already passed and returned twice in this lifetime. After experiencing those two events I am not the least bit afraid of dying.
Was that a contentious 'reincarnation' reference?
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I do believe in God, but I'm not afraid of where I'll go. I think our souls are infinite and moving closer to God and even though we're all progressing at different rates, we'll all get there eventually....
My answer will be the same as yours. exactly same. I do believe in God and I am not afraid of where I'll go.
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I do believe in God, but I'm not afraid of where I'll go. I think our souls are infinite and moving closer to God and even though we're all progressing at different rates, we'll all get there eventually....
My answer will be the same as yours. exactly same. I do believe in God and I am not afraid of where I'll go.
These remain baseless religious beliefs, (in that it relies solely upon 'faith'), and have nothing to do with what happens after physical death, regardless of holding such specious beliefs. Such 'faith' might make for a comforting self-delusion however, still has no basis in fact or, extrapolation of fact.
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I cannot not believe in God and I really have no understanding of people who do now. God is my greatest comfort and I write in my "Journal to Jesus" most days... :heart:
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I don't think it only applies to those who don't believe in God, it also applies to those who do believe in God and are the biggest sinners to walk the Earth. I think the biggest hippocrites are sitting in Church every Sunday, yet cheats on their spouses, use drugs and other manner of things.
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LOL What a stupid question. Of course not. When you die you go back into being a part of everything. Your body back as part of the earth (Accept for those being buried in caskets and wasting space of course. I will be cremated.) and your energy released into the energy around us. I highly doubt there is any conscious thought at this point and there is most certainly not a "hell". So why would there be any fear? You are released from the shell that caused the pain.
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It is sad to see the responses I get to this question, but the road is narrow and I pray that something comes into your life that reveals Christ to you. I have seen things that secure my belief, so anything an athiest could ever say couldn't move me, but I pray for the ones that our run by satan, because doubt is his number one tool, to place it in your head so you do not see the truth.
You truly are a sad pathetic little creature. I pity you.
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The road IS narrow and sadly ...
Such a "road" is made as "narrow" as any religious strictures adherered to make it, (by preventing one blinded by 'faith' to 'see' any other viewpoint which does not agree with their narrow road).
They have on blinders. It is sickening.
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No matter what you believe, if you live a decent life, you shouldn't have to be afraid of what happens to you after death.
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Im a Christian.. Believe in the Lord.. Going to Heaven case closed for me.. Pray every day for those who arent.. :heart:
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I def believe in God and I def know where im going! :angel11:
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I am not afraid at all. I do not believe there is life after death. You live this life and then you die. besides if there is a god he is supposed to forgive right? so ether way I am good :)
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They have on blinders. It is sickening.
There's a difference between blinders that can be removed by the same persons who put them on and poking one's 'eyes' out with "unshakable faith" though. The former requires courage and the latter submits to fears.
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i belive in god and i am not affaird of were i will go god loves us all we are his childeren and he is the only one to judge us but he also is very forgiving as long as it is in your hear t to repent and never do it again
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They have on blinders. It is sickening.
There's a difference between blinders that can be removed by the same persons who put them on and poking one's 'eyes' out with "unshakable faith" though. The former requires courage and the latter submits to fears.
Indeed.
And btw ...
You can hardly be blamed for this as it is known that I must be an agent of satan, (although my duties are largely ceremonial), according to the other xtians here. Of course, this is pure speculation on their part - now point me toward the virgins.
This made me laugh for sure!
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They have on blinders. It is sickening.
There's a difference between blinders that can be removed by the same persons who put them on and poking one's 'eyes' out with "unshakable faith" though. The former requires courage and the latter submits to fears.
Indeed.
And btw ...
You can hardly be blamed for this as it is known that I must be an agent of satan, (although my duties are largely ceremonial), according to the other xtians here. Of course, this is pure speculation on their part - now point me toward the virgins.
This made me laugh for sure!
It made my gf laugh wholeheartedly too ... and then she insightfully-asked, "what do you want with virgins, sacrificing them nowadays is frowned upon?" To which I replied, "you're absolutely right and who wants to be frowned upon?"
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non-religious subject thread
From what I gathered from everyone else’s responses this became a religious thread. So I am a little confused on why you said that.
Simply put; you are as free to post religious beliefs as others are to post opposing viewpoints to those beliefs.
Yes, and I was not saying that you couldn’t post your opposing thoughts. Did I?
Indeed, I have specified several times that people are general free to believe whatever nonsense they wish to believe however, please refrain from misuse of the word "reasoning" in the context of belief; there is no reasoning behind beliefs - that's why they're superstitions and not factual..
Well, what is your reasoning behind not believing? What is wrong with having faith in something? Is there anything that you have faith in, a loved one perhaps? And you say that you don’t adhere to religious beliefs, your atheist then. Why are you an atheist? What has caused you to not want to belief in God, Heaven, the Holy Spirit?
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From what I gathered from everyone else’s responses this became a religious thread. So I am a little confused on why you said that.
That would be more difficult to discern from bits & pieces quoted out of context so, here's the context restored:
'Since religious adherents are apparently unwilling or unable to resist evangelical posts, (whether under the guise of 'speaking their own mind' or merely interjected those beliefs into a non-religious subject thread), they have no basis for objecting to others posting dissenting views. Simply put; you are as free to post religious beliefs as others are to post opposing viewpoints to those beliefs.'
The reference was to other threads where such interjections of religious beliefs pop-in out-of-the-blue, (signified by the word "or" preceding the 'merely interjected those beliefs into a non-religious subject thread'). The reference was not to this thread, where it was posted. Sorry for any confusion there.
Simply put; you are as free to post religious beliefs as others are to post opposing viewpoints to those beliefs.
Yes, and I was not saying that you couldn’t post your opposing thoughts. Did I?
Sometimes such sentiments are directly-stated and other times, they are not. Again, here's the context of that portion, restored for clarity:
"I feel that everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and their reasoning behind them." -- barbme1972
'Indeed, I have specified several times that people are generall free to believe whatever nonsense they wish to believe however, please refrain from misuse of the word "reasoning" in the context of belief; there is no reasoning behind beliefs - that's why they're superstitions and not factual.' -- falcon9
The reference was to the lack of such reasoning behind religious beliefs being presented, (beyond a unreasoned 'faith').
Indeed, I have specified several times that people are general free to believe whatever nonsense they wish to believe however, please refrain from misuse of the word "reasoning" in the context of belief; there is no reasoning behind beliefs - that's why they're superstitions and not factual...
Well, what is your reasoning behind not believing?
That's not how reasoning works; such would proceed from a basis of determining why one does believe something. Is there evidence to support such a belief or, does it rely upon unreasoned faith alone? Your question stems from a logical fallacy, (e.g., suggesting that the burden of proof rests with demonstrating that something _doesn't_ exist; an irrational concept).
What is wrong with having faith in something?
As I've previously stated several times in different threads, those holding irrational superstitious "faith" are free to do so, (but not free to impose them upon others). There's a none-too-subtle difference between "faith" and mundane 'confidence'; consider it if you will.
Is there anything that you have faith in, a loved one perhaps?
No, I have _confidence_ in certain things which have previously demonstrated that such confidence is justified, (nominally, by extant evidence that continued confidence is justified, or not - which would result in a lack of confidence in that instance). Some people might characterize confidence as a 'belief' however, I apply it as having a justifiable/evidentiary trust, (rather than an unjustified 'hope', 'faith', or 'belief' which lacks evidentiary justification). I do not, therefore, apply "faith" to any aspect of my life.
And you say that you don’t adhere to religious beliefs, your atheist then.
My atheist what? Oh, you meant "you're", (you are), right? Under the standard dictionary definitions, the simple answer is no, I'm not an "atheist". I'm non-religious and reject unreasoned religious superstitions though. Any discussion of such questions should be moved to the debate+discuss subforum, (d+d).
Why are you an atheist? What has caused you to not want to belief in God, Heaven, the Holy Spirit?
As I stated, those are contentious d+d questions. Start a new thread there and ask again; I do respond, (ask anyone).
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It is sad to see the responses I get to this question, but the road is narrow and I pray that something comes into your life that reveals Christ to you.
The road IS narrow and sadly, many that think they will be in Heaven are going to find out they won't be. This really hit home for me this past week when I saw a video clip of a pastor that died and an angel showed him Heaven. Then the angel showed him Hell. After he watched & heard the tormented, the angel told him that if he had died that day, there in Hell is where he'd be. The pastor asked how that could be, he was a pastor. The angel said it was because there was unforgiveness in his heart. If one can't forgive others, God can't forgive them. One can't sow unforgiveness and then reap forgiveness. The pastor was told to come back and tell others. He was so lucky to have gotten a second chance.
I Love God with all my heart and know there is a Heaven and a Hell. I have been a Christian since I was 17 but have not always lived the way that was pleasing to God but I know he forgives me when I ask for forgiveness. THANK you so much for this reminder that we too have to forgive others or there is no forgiveness for us. God Bless you.
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I'm an atheist and I'm not afraid, I know that my body will rot in the ground when I die.
JESUS LOVES U MORE THEN U COULD IMAGINE
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I am not buying that people don't believe in God. It's ridiculous! Where did everyone come from "evolution" if you believe that would you mind telling me who triggered that! Oh yeah that's right it's spontaneous combustion! In my opinion that too is ridiculous. Can you explain to me what force causes the blood to flow through your body? What holds the earth, which by the way, is a ball of dirt and water suspended in space. I could go on and on the concept of no God is nonsense and the concept of no afterlife is just as nutty! Chemistry proves that elements come together and form new elements that is birth. The separation of the soul from the body that is death. The soul will return to it's origin that is God and if you don't believe that I have some swampland in Florida you may be interested in. :wave:
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This made me laugh for sure!
It made my gf laugh wholeheartedly too ... and then she insightfully-asked, "what do you want with virgins, sacrificing them nowadays is frowned upon?" To which I replied, "you're absolutely right and who wants to be frowned upon?"
LOL ! Nice !
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I'm an atheist and I'm not afraid, I know that my body will rot in the ground when I die.
JESUS LOVES U MORE THEN U COULD IMAGINE
If only there were sufficient bed-space in the asylums and institutions to hold the enormous number of people who cling to such religious superstitions, (maybe expansions and construction could be funded by taxing the tax-exempt 'churches' ... that would be appropriately ironic).
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I am not buying that people don't believe in God. It's ridiculous!
Oddly, those who don't hold such superstitious beliefs find such beliefs as "ridiculous" as those held by the superstitious. In yet another 'cosmic coincidence', the religious adherents of those beliefs seem strangely unable to substantiate their basis with evidence. As this has not occurred in the 2,000-odd years since these specious claims were initiated, one must at least have doubts about their validity.
Where did everyone come from "evolution" if you believe that would you mind telling me who triggered that! Oh yeah that's right it's spontaneous combustion! In my opinion that too is ridiculous.
If, by "spontaneous combustion", you are referring to the 'primordial spark' hypothesis that would be the abiogensis theories. 'Abiogenesis, or biopoiesis is the study of the origin and evolution of the last universal common ancestor and how biological life could arise from inorganic matter through natural processes. In particular, the term usually refers to the processes by which life on Earth may have arisen. The geologic era in which abiogenesis likely took place was the Eoarchean era. For example Michael Russell, and Wolfgang Nitsche, (biologists), have suggested recently that "the emergency of life had high Enthalpy and low Entropy beginnings"'
Can you explain to me what force causes the blood to flow through your body?
Blood pressure, initiated by heart-pumping action is such a "force", (which is unrelated to specious attributions to supernatural forces).
What holds the earth, which by the way, is a ball of dirt and water suspended in space.
Earth is held in orbit by the gravitational attraction of Sol, the sun, (not the 'son' or 'father' in a specious attribution to supernatural forces).
I could go on and on the concept of no God is nonsense and the concept of no afterlife is just as nutty!
Your conclusions do not logically follow as they arise from a false premise.
Chemistry proves that elements come together and form new elements that is birth.
That's a partially accurate, albeit simplified statement, yes.
The separation of the soul from the body that is death. The soul will return to it's origin that is God ...
Both of those claims are simply speculative opinions which have no evidentiary basis. You claimed them, which means you've accepted the burden of proof to provide evidence which supports your claims. Of course, you can choose not to do so, which renders your claims as specious.
and if you don't believe that I have some swampland in Florida you may be interested in. :wave:
Actually, any purchasers of "some swampland in Florida", (in your implied context), would be far more likely to come from the same market-pool as religious adherents, rather than non-adherents.
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all i know is i belive in God 4life he been by myside for ova 30yrs and im so thankful 4 each day he gives me and my family... :angel11:
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all i know is i belive in God 4life he been by myside for ova 30yrs and im so thankful 4 each day he gives me and my family... :angel11:
The basis, (such as it is), for such a religious belief is "faith", (a specious belief which has no evidentiary foundation). Instead of attributing things to 'g-ds' or 'daemons', take some personal responsibility for what you can affect and either learn to live with what you cannot affect or, find another way to affect change. Appeals to hypothetical supernatural entities through intercessory magical prayer rituals are not an effective way.
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all i know is i belive in God 4life he been by myside for ova 30yrs and im so thankful 4 each day he gives me and my family... :angel11:
The basis, (such as it is), for such a religious belief is "faith", (a specious belief which has no evidentiary foundation). Instead of attributing things to 'g-ds' or 'daemons', take some personal responsibility for what you can affect and either learn to live with what you cannot affect or, find another way to affect change. Appeals to hypothetical supernatural entities through intercessory magical prayer rituals are not an effective way.
We can only hope that one day all of the religious people will either: A. wake the F up or B. die off
I honestly don't know whether to pity them or just laugh at them. The biggest issue I have is when they "pray" for things. I do something REAL to help myself and others. And it damn sure isn't "praying" that my invisible friend will help.
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We can only hope that one day all of the religious people will either: A. wake the F up or B. die off
I honestly don't know whether to pity them or just laugh at them.
Unfortunately, neither are any more likely to occur in the near future; 'blind faith' has a strong hold on the fearful ones.
The biggest issue I have is when they "pray" for things. I do something REAL to help myself and others. And it damn sure isn't "praying" that my invisible friend will help.
As you probably already know, I've addressed that issue of "prayer" as an intercessory magical ritual intended to entreat/invoke a hypothetical supernatural being several times. While the religious strictures of those engaging in such a 'magical ritual' are nominally prohibited, for some unknown excuse, (not 'reason' - there is no actual reasoning involved), such persons continue in hypocrisy. Better to take pragmatic measures than to reply upon 'magical shortcuts' which lack efficacy.
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We can only hope that one day all of the religious people will either: A. wake the F up or B. die off
I honestly don't know whether to pity them or just laugh at them. The biggest issue I have is when they "pray" for things. I do something REAL to help myself and others. And it damn sure isn't "praying" that my invisible friend will help.
WOW! That was pretty harsh. I can understand not believing in God and what not, but to say that you hope that we will either wake the F up or die off...that is is pretty harsh. Sorry you feel that way.
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We can only hope that one day all of the religious people will either: A. wake the F up or B. die off
I honestly don't know whether to pity them or just laugh at them. The biggest issue I have is when they "pray" for things. I do something REAL to help myself and others. And it damn sure isn't "praying" that my invisible friend will help.
WOW! That was pretty harsh. I can understand not believing in God and what not, but to say that you hope that we will either wake the F up or die off...that is is pretty harsh. Sorry you feel that way.
Given the huge number of deaths, suppresion/absorbtion of other religions & cultures, along with the general retarding of scientific progress which those who hold such specious religious beliefs are directly responsible for, it's a wonder that you don't feel the way "CuppyCake" does.
Although I've heard current 'believers' maintain that they're not responsible for what their more militantly-fundamentalist predecessors did, those same 'believers' are mind-blinded by the same religious belief system as their predecessors.
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Wishing death on anyone is just wrong and mean. That was the main one I was commenting on. I am done with this thread...it has gotten way away from the initial post. Hope you all continue to enjoy it.
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Wishing death on anyone is just wrong and mean.
It's a good thing that's there's no more evidential basis for 'wishcraft' than there is for 'prayer', isn't it? Btw, the word used by the other poster was "hope", not 'wish'. Although 'hopecraft' doesn't quite roll off the tongue as eloquently.
That was the main one I was commenting on. I am done with this thread...it has gotten way away from the initial post. Hope you all continue to enjoy it.
On the contrary, the posts have generally been with the context of the subject, (however, there's a generally suspicious tendency among the 'mind-blinded faithers' to make such "farewell speeches" when those who don't follow their brand of religious propaganda post dissenting views). At any rate, don't let the forum-door hit you in the posterior on the way out. One wouldn't "wish" that to result in brain-damage for you.
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I'm a proud Atheist and not afraid of where I may go. People who are religiously conservative would use "hell" as a scare tactic to get people to be good and believe. Sorry, that's not my cup of tea whatsoever. If people want to believe in God, Allah or some other divine being, it's their choice.
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i would be yes if i didnt believe in god
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Wow, I agree there is some pretty harsh stuff being said here and uncalled for. To each their own, but I would never wish death on anyone. I've had enough, too. Enjoy for those who wish to continue the nonsense and hatred. Sad.
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Wow, I agree there is some pretty harsh stuff being said here and uncalled for. To each their own, but I would never wish death on anyone.
It's a good thing that's there's no more evidential basis for 'wishcraft' than there is for 'prayer', isn't it?
I've had enough, too. Enjoy for those who wish to continue the nonsense and hatred. Sad.
On the contrary, the posts have generally been with the context of the subject, (however, there's a generally suspicious tendency among the 'mind-blinded faithers' to make such "farewell speeches" when those who don't follow their brand of religious propaganda post dissenting views). At any rate, don't let the forum-door hit you in the posterior on the way out. One wouldn't "wish" that to result in brain-damage for you if you're among them.
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So the devil was forced to run hell by God? As punishment. No one wants to be in hell, including the devil. Because hell is awful. Even for the guy who runs it, the devil.
If it were so bad, wouldn't the devil just put out some of the fires? Maybe put in an air conditioning system.
OR.... Are you telling me that God gave Satan the power to make me vote for Barrack Obama but NOT the power to provide himself reasonable living conditions? Please clarify.
haha i like this.
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As I have always been told: "I would rather die a believer and find out that He doesn't exist, than to be a NON-Believer and find out he DOES"
There's that "gambler's fallacy", (in an abbreviated form of Pascal's Wager). "Since there have been many religions throughout history, and therefore many conceptions of God (or gods), some assert that all of them need to be factored into the wager, in an argument known as the argument from inconsistent revelations. This, its proponents argue, would lead to a high probability of believing in "the wrong god", which, they claim, eliminates the mathematical advantage Pascal claimed with his Wager."
No one had to tell me that it is better to not waste life believing superstitious nonsense than to face it head on.
I was watching 60 minutes and they were talking about how jesus rising may just be his image on a piece of clothes instead of him in the flesh. makes me wonder.
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I believe in GOD but im not sure where we will go.....what im trying to understand is why spirits are still here on earth? u hear about these ghost hunters that see and hear these spirits that have died many years ago....The question is y are they still here? Are they lost? do they know they are even dead?
I have seen spirits and believe they walk this earth. this is one thing that makes me wonder about heaven and hell
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I'm an atheist and I'm not afraid, I know that my body will rot in the ground when I die.
JESUS LOVES U MORE THEN U COULD IMAGINE
I beg to differ. If anyone loved someone that much they wouldnt allow them to be hurt so badly as i have.
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I am not buying that people don't believe in God. It's ridiculous! Where did everyone come from "evolution" if you believe that would you mind telling me who triggered that! Oh yeah that's right it's spontaneous combustion! In my opinion that too is ridiculous. Can you explain to me what force causes the blood to flow through your body? What holds the earth, which by the way, is a ball of dirt and water suspended in space. I could go on and on the concept of no God is nonsense and the concept of no afterlife is just as nutty! Chemistry proves that elements come together and form new elements that is birth. The separation of the soul from the body that is death. The soul will return to it's origin that is God and if you don't believe that I have some swampland in Florida you may be interested in. :wave:
I DONT BELIEVE. why would someone love you so much allow you to get hurt if hes got all that control
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I am a Buddhist, yet I believe in a hell-like concept, or the failure to meet the criteria to pass onto the next life-form your spirit would take. So in that sense, yes, I am afraid of that. But the whole 'fire and brimstone' thing? I do NOT mean to offend, but I do find it a little hard to believe. I just don't understand how believing in something (or not) could determine if you deserve paradise or eternal torture.
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I am a Buddhist, yet I believe in a hell-like concept, or the failure to meet the criteria to pass onto the next life-form your spirit would take. So in that sense, yes, I am afraid of that. But the whole 'fire and brimstone' thing? I do NOT mean to offend, but I do find it a little hard to believe. I just don't understand how believing in something (or not) could determine if you deserve paradise or eternal torture.
Would that be of the Buddhist variety which posits a "liberation from the wheel of life" and "nirvana", (along with the belief/concept of "samsara" being defined as a cycle of birth, death, and rebirth), or some other sect's beliefs?