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Discussion Boards => Off-Topic => Debate & Discuss => Topic started by: zgalhardo on May 29, 2012, 07:33:27 pm
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What's your stance on Gay Marriage? It shouldn't even be an issue, but it is, so I want to hear everyone's thoughts, especially those in opposition.
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I am of three minds on this. The traditionalist part of me is entirely against gay marriage (stipulation here and it is only the use of the word 'marriage'). The libertarian part of me says that what someone else does is none of my business so long as it has no burdensome effect upon me. The greedy *bleep* part of me says that if a group can get special privileges for themselves based upon their definition then I also want these same special privileges based upon my definition (I want the same benefits without involving a spouse where I can just pick someone to have the legal powers).
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STICKLER ALERT.... It's actually "Same-Sex" Marriage. Not Gay Marriage.
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STICKLER ALERT.... It's actually "Same-Sex" Marriage. Not Gay Marriage.
It's good that you made that distinction since we all 'know' that "marriage" shouldn't be "gay", merry, carefree, happy, cheery, joyful, vivacious, light-hearted, chipper or jovial. Instead, it ought to be as serious, grave, solemn, joyless, staid, sedate, unhappy, morose, grim sad, depressed and melancholy as any opposite-sex marriage, aye? *
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* - definition of "gay" and it's antonyms from dictionary.com
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I don't care one bit.
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I think everyone has the right to be with the one they love and have all the same benefits (including the miserable ones) of a committed relationship such as marriage. The present laws discriminate against those rights because of the same-sex issue which is not fair. Do they actually define marriage as being between a man and a woman in the laws? The dictionary I used defines marriage as an "intimate association or union" but it does not specify that it is to be with a man and a woman. Sexual preference should not be an issue when it comes to rights of individuals committing to an intimate union aka marriage!
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As long as people are happy, It really doesn't matter to me. Its the same as a man and a woman getting married!!!! :thumbsup:
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I think everyone has the right to be with the one they love and have all the same benefits (including the miserable ones) of a committed relationship such as marriage. The present laws discriminate against those rights because of the same-sex issue which is not fair. Do they actually define marriage as being between a man and a woman in the laws? The dictionary I used defines marriage as an "intimate association or union" but it does not specify that it is to be with a man and a woman. Sexual preference should not be an issue when it comes to rights of individuals committing to an intimate union aka marriage!
"State law and/or constitutional provision limits marriage to relationships between a man and a woman:
Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming"
-- http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/human-services/same-sex-marriage-overview.aspx
Such laws do not normally prohibit "civil unions", "hand-fastings", or "domestic partnerships" however, the legal rights of those is often more restrictive, (not equivalent to), opposite-sex marriages. Specifically pertaining to certain property, estate and tax laws. For some "reason", many right-wing religious adherents perceive the word/institution of "marriage" as an exclusive religious domain which pertains only to the union of a man & a woman when it actually excludes many "civil unions", "hand-fastings", or "domestic partnerships" from the same rights in the legislative language of several state laws.
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Being gay myself, I'm completely for it, and would be even if I were heterosexual. Virtually everyone in opposition cites religion, which has no place in the law. The argument shouldn't have to go any further, but it does, and there are plenty of points to be made past that. If anyone is strictly against it and wants to delve into discussion, I'm bored.
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I am a gay marriage supporter!!! I feel that anyone who loves another person should have the right to affirm their love in the way the feel best for them...Not to mention my sister happens to be gay... :heart:
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I think anyone should have the right to get married with the same benefits. However I do understand that not everyone agrees with this and I believe pastors and churches should have a say in what types of ceremonies are preformed in their churches. To be fair states that are mostly against same-sex marriage would still allow same-sex marriage in a government sanctioned services, out of state or at a church that allows for same-sex marriage.
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If it's what makes 2 people happy, then go for it. I think the whole debate is kind of silly. The anti-same sex marriage side argues that it'll destroy marraige, which I don't get, how can having more of something destroy it? If they're that into the "sanctity of marriage" why aren't they out protesting divorce? I really don't care what people do in their own homes, own lives as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else or damage anyone else's property. I thought it was the land of the free and all that. Homosexual soldiers are told to go fight and put their live on the line for freedom, only to be told when they come back they can't marry who they love, crazy.
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Thank you falcon9 for clarifying about the laws. I was so angry with this one hospital that would not let a friend of mine visit his significant other in the ICU because he was not a "relative". The couple had been together for 20 years and there were no other relatives around to visit. It was so very sad. That is just not right!
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Thank you falcon9 for clarifying about the laws. I was so angry with this one hospital that would not let a friend of mine visit his significant other in the ICU because he was not a "relative". The couple had been together for 20 years and there were no other relatives around to visit. It was so very sad. That is just not right!
You're welcome. My position has long been that the same "rights", priviledges and laws should apply to any civil, (or 'uncivil'), unions according to the informed consent of the parties involved and not according to specious religious strictures and precepts.
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I am all for Gay marriage and just the gay thing in gerenal. There are just to many unwanted people and it has to stop some how. :angry7: :angry7:
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It's an abomination according to the bible, the word of God. God hates homosexuality. It is a perversion developed by satan to trap God's most priced creation (man) in disobedience and defiance. Satan has his day coming (going to the lake of fire). Pray for all homosexuals.
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It's an abomination according to the bible, the word of God. God hates homosexuality. It is a perversion developed by satan to trap God's most priced creation (man) in disobedience and defiance. Satan has his day coming (going to the lake of fire). Pray for all homosexuals.
I wasn't previously aware that you were a member of the Westboro Baptist contingent, bigot.
"In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche
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It's an abomination according to the bible, the word of God. God hates homosexuality. It is a perversion developed by satan to trap God's most priced creation (man) in disobedience and defiance. Satan has his day coming (going to the lake of fire). Pray for all homosexuals.
If Satan existed why wouldn't he make Hell a reasonable place to live. You know, considering he has to be there for eternity. Maybe put out some fires. But hey, at least he will have all the gays down there to decorate for him, right?
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If Satan existed why wouldn't he make Hell a reasonable place to live. You know, considering he has to be there for eternity. Maybe put out some fires. But hey, at least he will have all the gays down there to decorate for him, right?
One would think that if it's believed that "hell" is "satan's dominion", he'd have central air conditioning and other comfortable amenities as well.
“Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined, and imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites.”
-– Thomas Jefferson
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I am for same sex marriage. I'm not sure what the big deal is anyways. If they are two consenting adults they should be able to have that right to get married. There is nothing wrong about it in my opinion.
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Get married, have a family. They seem to go together. It's hard to have a child without a male and a female. It just isn't natural. Nowhere in nature are same sex couples found, though many animals do mate for life.
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Get married, have a family. They seem to go together. It's hard to have a child without a male and a female. It just isn't natural.
Ok.. So an infertile woman and/or a man with a vasectomy aren't allowed to marry either?
Nowhere in nature are same sex couples found
Simply not true. Several species of animals display homosexual activity.
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i feel like the should have right's to eachother but i don't think they should call it a marriage.
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i feel like the should have right's to eachother but i don't think they should call it a marriage.
That prejudicial position had been brough up previously. In order to eliminate the inherent prejudice, why not call the process a "civil union" for everyone participating in one and get rid of the outdated term, "marriage"?
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It's an abomination according to the bible, the word of God. God hates homosexuality. It is a perversion developed by satan to trap God's most priced creation (man) in disobedience and defiance. Satan has his day coming (going to the lake of fire). Pray for all homosexuals.
God doesn't hate anybody. This irrational way of thinking is why my family and I left the one church we used to attend and found another where I am accepted for who I am. I am a lesbian and God made me this way....it isn't a choice. To quote Lady Gaga, "I was born this way!"
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I need to add to my comment about God not hating. I looked up all the verses in the bible that have the word hate, hated, or hates in them. None of them say that God hates homosexuality. It is called a sin and as we all know, repentence cleans the sin. So on that note, people need to stop saying that God hates homosexuality. If you can find a verse that uses those specific words, show me. Now there are some verses in Proverbs that talks about things the Lord hates. Proverbs 6:16-19. That is the only place that I found where it specifically talks about things that God hates and homosexuality or any thing mentioning anything about any kind of sexuality is NOT mentioned in those verses.
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All for it.
I am a heterosexual woman.
The only gay person I know in "real life" is a cousin, but that side of the family and mine don't really mix (my mother and her brother just were never very close and the family has just grown apart along two separate and fairly distinct branches) and I've only talked to her a couple times. She served in the National Guard, I think, and is a lot older than me. Currently, she is married to a woman who has two children from a previous marriage. Although I don't know if it's "married married", as our state sadly doesn't allow marriage for everyone.
The stupidest excuse for why men shouldn't be allowed to marry men came from an ex of mine.
His reasoning is that men can't love. Period. That they can only lust and it takes a woman's love to transform their lust into love. So two women could get married, but two men could not because it would only be lust.
There were only a few exceptions to this - himself for one.
(Although he didn't really believe there were lesbians - only women who had been burned by men and no longer wanted to associate with them because men were so awful or whatever. Just needing to find a 'good man'.)
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Quoting the bible ::) It also says you should stone disobedient children to death, so I wouldn't go there for moral guidance.
Anyway, yeah, I'm for same-sex marriage. No one tries to prevent Brittany Spears or Kim Kardasian from getting married, so why not give those that actually want an attempt at doing it justice a try? Why some would be adamant in preventing others from being happy is beyond me. Also, marriage is a legal contract. There's nothing special about the word. It was used to transfer property (daughters where the property many times) and consolidate power. It has no special meaning when you actually look at it through history. There's no reason to guard it from homosexuals.
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Quoting the bible ::) It also says you should stone disobedient children to death, so I wouldn't go there for moral guidance.
I am not quoting the bible just to quote it. I am showing those that say God hates homosexuals, that no where in the bible does it say that. That is all.
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Quoting the bible ::) It also says you should stone disobedient children to death, so I wouldn't go there for moral guidance.
I am not quoting the bible just to quote it. I am showing those that say God hates homosexuals, that no where in the bible does it say that. That is all.
That wasn't directed at you. It was for the very first comment. Still, the bible is a horrible place to look for guidance.
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That wasn't directed at you. It was for the very first comment. Still, the bible is a horrible place to look for guidance.
Gandhi found guidance in the New Testament, especially "The Sermon on the Mount".
I think homosexual people should be allowed to marry. If yuo don't allow them, at least have the decency to allow their civil unions to have the same rights as marriages. It is bad that the majority of homophobia comes from Christians. Apparently they don't understand what Jesus Christ was trying to teach.
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It is bad that the majority of homophobia comes from Christians. Apparently they don't understand what Jesus Christ was trying to teach.
Judaism?
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That wasn't directed at you. It was for the very first comment. Still, the bible is a horrible place to look for guidance.
Oh, ok. Sorry then. Continue with the discussion then. Thank you for letting me know. :)
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I think the words to the song Paul Stookey <from Peter Paul & Mary>"The wedding song"sums it up.....
Well then whats to be the reason for becoming man & wife
Is it love that brings you here,or love that brings you life
For if loving is the answer,then whos the giving for
Do you believe in something that youve never seen before
There is Love
Let me add,this is how i feel.I am not trying to stir up any debates etc.I am far from being perfect.I feel God gave us freedom of choice and i am exercising that now on how i feel HIS rules apply to what is right more then mans does.
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Let me add,this is how i feel.I am not trying to stir up any debates etc.I am far from being perfect.I feel God gave us freedom of choice and i am exercising that now on how i feel HIS rules apply to what is right more then mans does.
Not wanting to stir up anything is fine... that's not enough from preventing it from happening though.
Usually those that say "HIS" rules are better than ours are 9 times out of 10 clueless to what "HIS" rules actually are. Our rules are superior to his by miles. Actually read your holy book and not just the warm and fuzzy stuff your preachers sugar coat for you, then get back to me. He felt it more important to put in rules about not boiling baby goats in its mothers milk instead of rules against child abuse or rape. You'd really take that over mans rules?
It's sad that you can't look at the world around you, see your fellow human beings being treated unfairly and say to yourself that that's wrong and you want no part of that. They suffer but that's fine with you because a dusty old book told you how to treat people... even though it has been proven to be contradictory and just flat out wrong time and time again. I just find this to be insane.
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Really doesnt matter to me one way or another, to each his own. I'm not put on this earth to judge anyone, thats not my job. :) GOD is only one to judge.
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GOD is only one to judge.
Yet, you are unable to prove such a belief is accurate, (being based upon faith, which has no evidentiary basis).
“You can not convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it is based on a deep-seated need to believe.”
-– Carl Sagan
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Who cares..What is tiring is hearing the bible come up on this topic just because of the word 'marriage'.
The Bible was written to assist in stopping the activities in society under the Roman Empire. Rabi's distringuished the ruthlessness in that era and set it in decisive words. See the adventures of Calliglia (sp). He was straight and raping husbands!
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Scripture in Eccl reads,"Man has dominated himself to his own injury"6000 years later after rebellion in Eden...who can argue that isnt true.The human race isnt automated otherwise if we were LOVE wouldnt exist.Jehovah doesnt force anyone to serve,love or obey him.It truly is in mans best interest to do so as proven by man trying to govern himself in this satanic system.Can you imagine when Pilate called for 1 of the prisoners to be released they chose Barbaras over Jesus.Why?Because Jesus was a threat to their wicked and greedy ways.Imagine treating Jesus like a criminal after he had proven beyond a doubt he truly was Gods son and taught love and peace and eventually sacrificed his own life to VINDICATE his fathers name and SAVE the human race.
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Scripture in Eccl reads,"Man has dominated himself to his own injury"6000 years later after rebellion in Eden...who can argue that isnt true.The human race isnt automated otherwise if we were LOVE wouldnt exist.Jehovah doesnt force anyone to serve,love or obey him.It truly is in mans best interest to do so as proven by man trying to govern himself in this satanic system.Can you imagine when Pilate called for 1 of the prisoners to be released they chose Barbaras over Jesus.Why?Because Jesus was a threat to their wicked and greedy ways.Imagine treating Jesus like a criminal after he had proven beyond a doubt he truly was Gods son and taught love and peace and eventually sacrificed his own life to VINDICATE his fathers name and SAVE the human race.
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There's no factual basis for any of those religious claims as they are all based upon dubious 'biblical' accounts and religious 'faith', (which has no evidentiary basis). Promoting such proselytizing propaganda as if it were true is disingenuous; especially the "after he had proven beyond a doubt he truly was Gods son" false claim. No such thing was "proven beyond a doubt".
“The meme for blind faith secures its own perpetuation by the simple unconscious expedient of discouraging rational inquiry.”
-- Richard Dawkins
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It is bad that the majority of homophobia comes from Christians. Apparently they don't understand what Jesus Christ was trying to teach.
Judaism?
ACTUALLY JUDAISM unlike many other prejudice/unjust religions is a religion of INTELLIGENCE and survival of attempted genocides. ALSO jewish people, as a religion, are respectful and accepting of gays/same sex couples, BECAUSE they like same sex couples have endured so much attempted destruction of them as a whole, world wide. IT often takes one survivor to respect and understand another. much like judaism and same sex couples. BOTH have endured so many attempts to wipe them off the face entirely, yet both ironically and greatly, have stood fast and rose above........... as they should and always will. Because no religion or sexual preference is better than another- any intelligent human can agree to that fact
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My stand is with the bible. Jesus Christ stated plainly: "Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said, For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the tow shall become one flesh? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate" (Matthew 19:4-6). Christ clearly stated that marriage is predicated on the fact that God made them "male and female," and that it is God--not mankind and its laws who joins a man and woman together as "one flesh" in marriage.
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My stand is with the bible.
Then you stand upon a specious religious belief. It is circular/irrational to essentially declare that the 'bible says so because the bible says so'.
"Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration--courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and, above all, love of the truth."
-- H. L. Mencken
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Its not just religions for me it about following and keeping God's statutes and judgements. (Leviticus 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.")
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Its not just religions for me it about following and keeping God's statutes and judgements. (Leviticus 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.")
Such a comment perpetuates ignorance. How can a comment which bible-thumps and admits to following a religious belief be "not just religions"?
"Religions vary in their degree of idiocy, but I reject them all. For most people, religion is nothing more than a substitute for a malfunctioning brain."
-- Gene Roddenberry
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I don'
agree with it!
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I see nothing wrong with it as long as the couple is happy, thats all that matters.
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I don'
agree with it!
Maybe because you aren't gay. But what about for other gay people?
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Being gay myself, I'm completely for it, and would be even if I were heterosexual. Virtually everyone in opposition cites religion, which has no place in the law. The argument shouldn't have to go any further, but it does, and there are plenty of points to be made past that. If anyone is strictly against it and wants to delve into discussion, I'm bored.
Well, I'm against it because God says homosexuality is an abomination, and if God says something, then it is true (cf thread: http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=44591.0).
Gotta leave because this place is closing, but just wanted to put my hand up real quick.
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Well, I'm against it because God says ... and if God says something, then it is true
No, the religious opinion contains at least two unsupported/invalid assumptions. One; that the source, ('biblical', by default), contains messages from a hypothetical supernatural egregore. There's no evidence to support such an assumption, (other than the logical-invalid circular 'hearsay' of the 'bible says that the bible is the word of g-d'). Secondly, the conclusion doesn't even follow logically from the irrational premise; that being an assumption of 'truth' from the hypothetical supernatural egregore is not supported by evidence substantiating the claim.
(cf thread: http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=44591.0).
I've replied to that thread, (since you called me out by 'nym there), but others may interject before you can get back on a public wi-fi connection.
Gotta leave because this place is closing, but just wanted to put my hand up real quick.
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not in my church but in your church go for it. diffrent strokes for diffrent folks. long as no ones getting their heads chopped off :icon_rr:
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not in my church but in your church go for it. diffrent strokes for diffrent folks. long as no ones getting their heads chopped off :icon_rr:
Are you referring to historical xtian practices against non-xtians and alleged xtians who the "church" didn't care for?
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I believe that Marriage is something two people share whether they are gay or straight. It is their business and no one else should judge them.
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No one has the right to judge anyone for their choices. Who is to say your church, my church, bible are right or wrong. Let people live their lives the way they want. We all will be judged some day when our day comes. Until than do not make choices for anyone, do not judge them either. Think this way, if having relationship or feeling the way you do is not right than why were we created to feel that way. Who wrote the bible, it was men, not god, unless you can show me different.
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I think when people oppose gay marriage, it is because they believe is it disturbing or because of religion.
Personally, two people of the same sex getting married has no affect on my life what-so-ever so I don't see a reason why anybody should get in between the two people in love.
Does it say anywhere in the Bible that those who are believers should change the minds of those who aren't?
Love and politics are two completely different subjects. Since marriage belongs in the religion field, why don't we create a marriage that's nonreligious? You know how there has to be a licensed priest at the ceremony? Why don't we have a marriage that doesn't require one for the nonreligious people? In the United States, aren't we free to believe and to not believe? We don't HAVE to get married at a church right?
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Does it say anywhere in the Bible that those who are believers should change the minds of those who aren't?
They may be several vague references to running around proselytizing and bible-thumping in the self-promoting/self-referential bible. Ask an evangelizing fundie.
Since marriage belongs in the religion field, why don't we create a marriage that's nonreligious?
Your assumption is false, as history, (especially before the judeo-xtian religions), clearly shows.
You know how there has to be a licensed priest at the ceremony? Why don't we have a marriage that doesn't require one for the nonreligious people?
Again, your assumptions are false. There are already civil unions which do not require a "priest" just as there are nonsectarian non-priesthood licensed to perform legal marriages, (for instance, wiccan, setian and satanic priesthoods are legally authorized to perform binding marriage ceremonies).
In the United States, aren't we free to believe and to not believe? We don't HAVE to get married at a church right?
Correct; and no one has to be married in a church to be legally married.
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Thanks for the information. I grew up believing that marriage is a religious ceremony and that I needed to get married in a church with some priest binding the marriage or some sort.
Since that's not the case, there's no reason for religious people to oppose something that does not even concern with their life.. unless they believe God will bring h*** to Earth as punishment. That matter may never be resolved.
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I guess from whats being said here that with Romneys RNC platform that most of you wont be voting for him cause he is against same sex marriage. :o ???
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I do not believe it is right, but if they want to do it, let them do it.
It does not affect me and I have no right to interfere in that part of people's relationships.
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Hi,
I am not in opposition at all I think people should be free to marry a man or a woman. It is and has been legal in canada since 2005, and it's really a non-issue here not saying there arent prejudiced people but no debates over marriage, or the "definition" of marriage
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I guess from whats being said here that with Romneys RNC platform that most of you wont be voting for him cause he is against same sex marriage. :o ???
It should have no impact as marriage falls under the jurisdiction of the individual states and the president doesn't have any authority over it.
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Some of my best freinds and my brother are homosexuals. God hates the sin, but loves the people. I usually don't say anything about it even though I should. I never want to hurt anyone, but I have to say something because I care about their soul. What I hate is abortion because they are killing unborn children. Obama even supports it after they are born. Its just a sickening time.
Heres a salvation message. I hope you are interested.
Romans
Chapter 3
1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Psa 51:4
5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Psa 14:1, 53:1 Ecc 7:20
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Psa 14:2, 53:2
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Psa 14:3, 53:3
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
Psa 5:9, 140:3
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
Psa 10:7
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
Isa 59:7 Prov 1:16
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
Isa 59:7
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
Isa 59:8
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
Isa 59:8
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Romans 3 KJV America Needs Prayer.
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Heres a salvation message. I hope you are interested.
{same religious spam repeated in eight other posts}
It's one thing to comment contextually on the content of a posted subject and another to tack-on the same lengthy bible-thumping to nine out of nine posts. You're new, that can be readily seen. Fortunately, "newbies" are limited to nine posts per/day for awhile, otherwise the potential for spamming the forums across multiple threads would manifest. I'm not saying you're not allowed to proselytize but, the same extremely lengthy thumping repeated incessantly is in bad taste.
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I usually don't say anything about it even though I should.
No, you shouldn't.
What I hate is abortion because they are killing unborn children.
Ummm if they are unborn they aren't children.
Obama even supports it after they are born. Its just a sickening time.
Just not rue
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I agree it shouldn't be an issue I don't personally agree with homesexuality or marriage but it's not for me to judge someone else. It for their maker to do. The subject doesn't belong in politics.
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I agree it shouldn't be an issue I don't personally agree with homesexuality or marriage but it's not for me to judge someone else. It for their maker to do. The subject doesn't belong in politics.
Though I disagree with your stance on the issue, I agree with your idea that it should not be a political issue. There are bigger fish to fry and the fact that politicians seem more involved with where people put their privates than the unstable economy is very frightening.
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mmm if they are unborn they aren't children.
So Siggy what are they then?Pretty dumb comment.You dont think the unborn fetus feels the pain of the murder?You are fortunate that you were never put into that position...even tho with a view like yours ya kinda wonder what your mom might have been drinking!
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Ummm if they are unborn they aren't children.
Pretty dumb comment.
Speaking of dumb comments ...
...even tho with a view like yours ya kinda wonder what your mom might have been drinking!
Did your parents have any children that lived without brain damage?
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Its obvious what your mom did.....she threw some carbon on a dictionary and made love to it to concecive you!!
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Pardon me....conceive you
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It would be an insult to idiots to designate you as such.
Its obvious what your mom did.....she threw some carbon on a dictionary and made love to it to concecive you!!
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If your mom wanted to abort you Falcon it would have been an open book case.
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Maybe even closed...............
Either or it seems as tho you survived to the detriment of mankind.
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I'm not a member of a cult which is banned in some countries as detrimental to mankind - though you are. This is a result of applied reasoning, not a coincidence.
Either or it seems as tho you survived to the detriment of mankind.
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No...you are just a member of your own introverted society that has nothing better to do all day long and be on forums so you can flaunt your dis-agreement and try to induce misery on others cos you obviously are quite miserable with yourself.
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I'm a member of general society, you're the member of an "introverted" religious cult which tries to characterize everyone else as part of a "satanic" membership.
...you are just a member of your own introverted society that has nothing better to do all day long and be on forums so you can flaunt your ... misery on others ...
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And i am quite proud to support Jehovah God,His son Jesus and His visible organization on earth.
They are in over 250 lands.....and dont worry eventually if a few countrys do ban them God will make sure the kingdom news will get preached to them eventually......even if he makes stones speak.
You cant stop it......youll never admit that....but you know deep down inside you cant.
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They are in over 250 lands...
There are 195 countries in the world today, not "250 lands".
...and dont worry eventually if a few countrys do ban them God will make sure the kingdom news will get preached to them eventually......even if he makes stones speak.
Stones can't speak, if if you can. Eventually, more countries are likely to ban your cult rather than allow its detrimental superstitions to spread.
You cant stop it......
I do what I can to stem the odiferous swamp of such blind faith. It'll be stopped once the ignorance which leads to blind faith fades away like human sacrifice for religious purposes.
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Now why dont you go open an encyclopedia and go play with your cousin!!
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I've no need of the former to make my points and am uninterested in your inbreeding practices with regard to the latter.
Now why dont you go open an encyclopedia and go play with your cousin!!
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Now why dont you go open an encyclopedia and go play with your cousin!!
LOL!
Kinda reminds me of Kirk trying to insult Spock.
"Your father was a computer!And your mother was a library!" ;D
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You know zilch about bible.
Babylon the Great <false empire of religeon will be devoured>by world government.....They will attempt to destroy Gods people....it will be like touching Jehovahs eyeball.I dont think i need to tell you what that means.
Why do you think Gods rescue of his chosen people against the Egyptians was written for us as well as many other accounts.
Again i am sure you can figure that out...
You are a frustrated human being.....
Try wiping some of that carbon outta your eyes!!
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You know zilch about bible.
Which of the eight or nine different versions are you guessing I don't know about? They're all unsupported mythologies, regardless.
You are a frustrated human being.....
More accurately, there are times when such blindly-ignorant faith such as yours is exasperating, but then I recall that Ron White mentioned that "you can't fix stupid", (or blind faith).
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I've no need of the former to make my points and am uninterested in your inbreeding practices with regard to the latter.
I wrote a reply to Siggy...next time mind your own business....
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Ron white....LOL!!
How many are rolling over in their grave cos of you now!!!LOL!!
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So if you arent interested...stop addressing me...i can readily admit i have no use for you and couldnt care less if you spoke to me anymore.
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You posted a reply in a forum in which any member can reply. This is not your private venue nor e-mail so, your specious 'advice' is disregarded, just as your specious cult is.
I wrote a reply to Siggy...next time mind your own business....
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Use the ignore function provided by FC if your fear prevents you from actually addressing opposition to your cultish nonsense.
...stop addressing me...i can readily admit i have no use for you and couldnt care less if you spoke to me anymore.
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Many times i have commented on something else and you always have to put your 2 cents in with me.
It shows you are quite obsessed and frustrated by me as ive told u in the past.
Now be a good boy and leave me alone and i promise i wont bother you either.
YEAH RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You cant do it!!
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You're a cultish troll who is being fed that which is indigestible by trolls; dissenting logic.
Many times i have commented on something else and you always have to put your 2 cents in with me.
It shows you are quite obsessed and frustrated by me as ive told u in the past.
Now be a good boy and leave me alone and i promise i wont bother you either.
YEAH RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You cant do it!!
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YOU ARE OBSESSED GETTING LAST WORD IN.
i DONT HAVE THE TIME TO DO THAT COS I AM NOT AS OBSESSED AS UR BEING ON 24/7
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You just tried "getting in the last word", you hypocrite. Regardless, your cultish superstitions will not be "the last word."
YOU ARE OBSESSED GETTING LAST WORD IN.
i DONT HAVE THE TIME TO DO THAT COS I AM NOT AS OBSESSED AS UR BEING ON 24/7
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case & point
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You just tried "getting in the last word" again, hypocrite. Keep trying.
case & point
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When you take your wheelchair in for inspection...make sure they inspect you as well.
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Though I'm not in a wheelchair, your cult mentality is revealed in how you disparage those who are.
When you take your wheelchair in for inspection...make sure they inspect you as well.
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Sure you are
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If you arent you must be nailed to a chair or cemented to something.
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Do you take a bath with your laptop?
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When you don't quote the post you're replying to in an 'open' forum, you're just a troll "nailed" to his cultish superstitions.
If you arent you must be nailed to a chair or cemented to something.
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Sorry if you cant figure out im speaking to you.
The no brainer for the no-brainer.....LOL!
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Sorry if you cant figure out im speaking to you.
"You" could be anyone you're trolling at any given time, troll.
The no brainer for the no-brainer.....LOL!
While I realize you possess limited cognitive abilities, (probably due to your slef-blinding faith in your cultish beliefs), you still have a (possessed) brain.
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what does slef blinding mean?
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Hey everyone...can you make Falcon make a typo?
I DID!!!
Hes all shook up!!
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MY apologies to Elvis for that last post.
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what does slef blinding mean?
It's a typo for self-blinding; as in the jw cult's members. I'm watching football while I off-handedly dismiss your trollings. Here's a fun fact for fundies: Countries which have banned, (or restricted), "jw's" include Singapore, Germany, France, Cuba ... 191 to go for a shut-out.
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Yes,it's a well known fact Falcon loves to correct others spelling,but can't handle his own typos. ;D
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No, that's not a "well-known fact" since I've often corrected my own typos. It is, however, a "well-known fact" that you're a well-known liar.
Yes,it's a well known fact Falcon loves to correct others spelling,but can't handle his own typos. ;D
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You really are obsessed to try and dis-credit the preaching work of God.I guess you dont realize that underground work is done to obey Gods command.
I am sure you are aware that Hitler killed many....did that stop them?
You cant stop it....how dense are you?And when they close down christendom and then come after them do you think God is going to let that happen?You know the answer im sure and you can hold fast to your ignorance.....but whether you like it or not...YOU ARENT GOING TO STOP IT!
Why dont you get me the numbers for the last 20 yrs those attending The Lords Evening Meal for Nisan 14 every year?
Just as Jesus said,"my sheep will hear my voice"
Mathew 24:14 being fulfilled....Kingdom will be preached worldwide then end will come.
What happened to Russia?In the blink of an end it happens or like a thief in the night.
YOU CANT STOP IT!!
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You really are obsessed to try and dis-credit the preaching work of God.
Such cultish superstitions discredit themselves; my occasional remarks are merely reminders of this.
I guess you dont realize that underground work is done to obey Gods command.
Now you're claiming that your hypothetical egregore 'commands' an "underground", (terrorist?), organization?
And when they close down christendom and then come after them do you think God is going to let that happen?
Your hypothetical egregore is demonstrably powerless to do anything since no evidence supports such an empty faith-based claim. As far as the level of stupidity it requires to be a member of such a religious cult ...
YOU CANT STOP IT!!
One cannot "fix stupid" however, one can oppose such superstitious stupidity.
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You are only opposing it!!!!LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!
No ill tell you what you are doing.Your hate or dislike for a Creator is so powerful that you have blinded yourself to think He doesnt exist because deep down inside you really know you are powerless against HIM!!
And a trait why satan sinned is in you as well.He wanted to be a ruler himself as so many men have against what is good and bad in their eyes and want their independence from what Gods rules are.
That spirit is so prevalent in the world today by mankind and its being helped even more so that the devil and his angels have been confined to this earth.
So cover your ignorance by saying you are opposed to the bible...i know the truth why.
Each one is tried and drawn out by his own desire,when it becomes fertile it becaomes a sin
Holy bible book of Hebrews
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Disregarding your simple-minded, faith-blinded religious superstitions; if ignorance were bricks, you'd be your own Projects.
So cover your ignorance by saying you are opposed to the bible...
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Falcon i seriously wanna thank you for helping me give a VERY GOOD WITNESS as well.
IN your own way and i kn ow you didnt mean to help me...you bring the truth from the bible out!!
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There is no "truth" in specious religious superstitions other than pointing that out.
...you bring the truth from the bible out!!
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It only matters to you what you think but for the many <and i know there are opposers like you>that might read this thread,even if 1 person wanted to examine the whys and hows of this world and what God eventually will do,you helped contribute towards that.
Now ill let you have your last say cos i know that means a lot to you to have the last word with me.<snicker>
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On the contrary, it only matters if one, (or more), examine the rational viewpoints opposing irrational ones based upon blind religious faith.
It only matters to you what you think but for the many <and i know there are opposers like you>that might read this thread,even if 1 person wanted to examine the whys and hows of this world and what God eventually will do,you helped contribute towards that.
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Then i must add....
Broad and spacious is the road to destruction and narrow is the road to life the bible says.
Many more will die at Armagheddon then survive.Jesus said if those days werent cut short no flesh would be saved.
So maybe thats a moral victory for you.But in the end "The meek shall inherit the earth"and 144000 will rule with Jesus in heaven.
Many will be resurrected to have a chance as well to obey God.
You cant stop it.Our very lives depend on it.We disobey we die.We obey and love God we live by His rules.
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It doesn't matter what some collection of religious superstitions based upon blind faith "says". Such irrationality leads to self-delusion.
... the bible says.
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I want to apologize for staying off this topic this long.I saw Siggy said something on abortion that i wanted to comment on and of course Falcon put his 2 cents in and then we were off to the races.
So again my intentions were not for this to happen.But again i wanna thank Falcon for allowing me to give a good witness.But it shoulda been in right thread.
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These are FC forums, not proselytizing a religious cult forums. There is no need to thank me for opposing the propagandizing of superstitious blind faith.
But again i wanna thank Falcon for allowing me to give a good witness.But it shoulda been in right thread.
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Why dont you put your sign up sarcasm loaded for me......
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You haven't demonstrated being bright enough to pull off sarcasm.
Why dont you put your sign up sarcasm loaded for me......
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What are the chances of me replying to Falcon again and again he pulls the JWs out of the bag to dis-credit?
Sure as the sun will cross the sky...so predictable.
I gave my witness with your presence fueling it.
You frustrated man.
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What are the chances of me replying to Falcon again and again he pulls the JWs out of the bag to dis-credit?
The overall irrationality of the jw cult is enough to discredit itself.
Sure as the sun will cross the sky...so predictable.
What's actually predictable is the closed-minded blind faith of the religiously-superstitious. It just goes to show that those who spout such illogical cult propaganda can be logically-predicted.
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So if you feel thats the truth why do you bring it up off topic all the time?Obsessed,ignorant,frustrated man!!
The overall irrationality of the jw cult is enough to discredit itself.
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Oh i know why......just a friendly reminder from you....LOL!
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The dissenting posts are in reply to the repetitious proselytizing of religious fundies. Why do you fundies feel the compulsion to keep repeating such propaganda if you're not propagandizing falsehoods?
So if you feel thats the truth why do you bring it up off topic all the time?Obsessed,ignorant,frustrated man!!
"The overall irrationality of the jw cult is enough to discredit itself."
[unattributed quote]
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Ponder this.
If Falcon ever put the time and effort to earning on FC then he does on forum,he might send them to the poor house.
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MY impersonation of Falcon...
Hitch:So you are watching the football games,who do you root for?
Falcon:I got so annoyed watching the game.I saw when they were singing national anthem a few JWs went to exits.Nothong but a bunch of superstitious cultists.
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Ponder this: "Completed [enough] offers worth $646.48" ... what's your excuse, spending too much time proselytizing your cult?
Ponder this.
If Falcon ever put the time and effort to earning on FC then he does on forum,he might send them to the poor house.
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MY impersonation of Falcon...
It's probably against FC TOS to "impersonate" another FC member.
Hitch:So you are watching the football games,who do you root for?
Falcon:I got so annoyed watching the game.I saw when they were singing national anthem a few JWs went to exits.Nothong but a bunch of superstitious cultists.
Actually, I'd have commented that they were hypocritical scum who take advantage of the benefits of living in a country they don't support.
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Joined 6/4/12
(http://www.fusioncash.net/sig.php/1d29a4e9a8a7.png) (http://www.fusioncash.net/?ref=hitch0403)
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Lets see your banner and date you joined in 2010.
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If that's all you've made in the last three months, it's obvious you're spending too much time proselytizing your cult. During that same three month period, that was $109.74 for me, (with another $52.58 pending from this month):
"Amount Date Status
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$36.41 2012-06-30 Approved
$31.18 2012-07-31 Approved
$42.15 2012-08-31 Approved"
Joined 6/4/12
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My screen went white...send banner and date u joined again
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What your potentially-infected computer does is of no concern to me and the 'demands' of a faith-blinded cultist of are of minimal concern.
My screen went white...send banner and date u joined again
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Just as i figured.
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The relevant information was posted down-thread. Were I to descibe you as a ub-moronic idiot, I'd be disparaging sub-moronic idiots.
Just as i figured.
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Congrats,you answered me without involving JWs in the reply.
Wear some ear-muffs...the hatred spews outta your ears.
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If you're attempting to establish that the average jw I.Q. doesn't exceed 6.66, additional baseline sample data will be required.
Wear some ear-muffs...the hatred spews outta your ears.
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When you get to heaven make sure St Peter checks your IQ.Otherwise you might wind up in hell.
My virus protection is working fine for my comp even tho its getting tested to the max with your posts.
Possibly my screen turning white was to cleanse your post.
A simple i joined in 5/5/10 woulda been suffice but i realize you dont want me to figure out when cos i could do the math against yours from mind.Then again you could lie about date as well to save your competitive face.
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My virus protection is working fine for my comp even tho its getting tested to the max with your posts.
Possibly my screen turning white was to cleanse your post.
Your false accusation, (outright lie), directly implying that my posts contain virii is duly noted.
Then again you could lie about date as well to save your competitive face.
Unlike your lies, the date FC members joined FC is provided by FC, not the members.
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The omission is easily remedied.
"Jivah - Sanskrit, 'sky god', (u=yava/java), same as Jihvah, a pagan 'g-d' preceding the judiac plagiarismm. Jove - Hebrew/YHVH (Yahweh):
The tetragrammaton YHVH would then be "e-ah-va-ah." With the Greek/Roman Jove we can see it would be pronounced as "J-ah-va-ah." And taking the "Jah" and converting the "J" to a "Y" we would then have "Yah" and finally "Yah-va-ah." If we convert the "v" into a "w" as is done between YHVH and YHWH the name would be "Yah-wa-ah" or "Yahwaah."
Jove is then none other than Yahwah or Yahweh. Some scholars claim that the Greek "Jo" when compared to renderings in
the Septuagint is "Yah" so that we have Jo-Yah and thus Jove is Yah-ve. The name Jove first appears to be the name of a Jewish god whom the Israelites in their apostasy borowed from the Babylonian Ia or Ya. This god was plagiarized by the Jews from among the Amorites and Cannanites and commonly referred to as 'Yahwi' but in title as 'Baal.'"
Congrats,you answered me without involving JWs in the reply.
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Ponder this.
If Falcon ever put the time and effort to earning on FC then he does on forum,he might send them to the poor house.
LOL!No kidding!I've always said, if he could put the time he spends on the FC message board to some positive, charitable use,the world would be a better place.
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Opposing religious blind faith is putting some of my time to positive, valuable use if only a single person can use their own mind to turn away from superstitious irrationality.
LOL!No kidding!I've always said, if he could put the time he spends on the FC message board to some positive, charitable use,the world would be a better place.
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Do the math Falcon.For 15 days this year i would make $255.After 2 yrs $510.Thats a total of 30 days.
You have been on a little less then 2 yrs and made $700 in 80 days.
50 days less would i be for $200 that you have me by.Even a flunk in math could do the math here.
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In 4 months my time on FC is a little less then 5 days......
That's amount of time on the forums, not completing offers.
Falcon in a little less then 2 yrs has spent a little less then 80 days.
He has made $650,i have made $85.I am ball parking this
I am at a pace to make $255 for the year doing 15 hrs.
Since you proceded from a false premise, (elapsed forum time, not time spent completing offers), it's worth mentioning that I'd accumulated about $325 per/year for two years on FC while you're on track to averaging $252 for a year. Figures don't lie but, liars can figure they do.
If i was on like he was i would be burying him making $$$$.The figures dont lie. And he has the nerve to tell me hes doing better then me.Figures dont lie.
You falied math in school, didn't you, (assuming you attended school)?
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Again, that's not an indication of the time spent completing offers, it's a running total of time spent logged-on to the forums, you idiot. Apparently, you are "a flunk in math" and complusively reach erroneous conclusions based upon false premises.
Do the math Falcon. Even a flunk in math could do the math here.
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Point is if i spent the time you are on id bury you making $$$$.....I post in forum too...it gets back to my point that was valid to begin with and Jedi backed so we thank you for agreeing...
If you put the time in other areas you spent on forum you would put FC in poor house......thanx for backing that up
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Jedi wasnt that cool how how i got Falcon to back that up?
Loved it!!He fell for it!!
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Point is if i spent the time you are on id bury you making $$$$.....
No, your premise remains invalid because time spent on the forums does not correlate to time spent completing offers.
I post in forum too...it gets back to my point that was valid to begin with and Jedi backed so we thank you for agreeing...
Neither one of you has demonstrated an ability to reason logically and your "point" is still logically invalid. The time spent on FC forums is a running total, spread out over the total time since logging onto the forum, (which isn't continuous).
If you put the time in other areas you spent on forum you would put FC in poor house......thanx for backing that up
Truly, you present a convincing case for your being dumber than a box of wet sand.
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Your lies and false premise were not fallen for, lying cultist.
...wasnt that cool how how i got Falcon to back that up?
Loved it!!He fell for it!!
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80 hrs........$700
30 hrs....$500
NO CONTEST
I understand where you get wet sand from....from me burying you all the time
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Same sex marriage goes against everything I've ever learned and was brought up to believe. However I'm related to 2 individuals whom are in gay relationships. One of which I'm very close with and gotta say the relationship those 2 have is better, stronger and more loving than hundreds of male/female marriages. I wish I could validate there relationship but no matter how I look at it I do look at through Christian eyes and it's wrong.
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If FC let me creat an offer for the members how to teach them how to deal with you.....id be able to retire!!
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80 hrs........$700
30 hrs....$500
No, there is still no correlation between time spent logged onto the FC forums and time spent completing FC offers.
NO CONTEST
False parallels lead to false conclusions and insistance upon a lie from a lying 'jw-er'.
I understand where you get wet sand from....from me burying you all the time
No, it stems from a combination of you burying your head in the sand and being stubbornly stupid.
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Amen Sak
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Basing your lies on false premises is an ineffective way of 'dealing' with rational refutations of your nonsense. You'd make nothing from such a faux-"offer".
If FC let me creat an offer for the members how to teach them how to deal with you.....id be able to retire!!
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There's no justification or validation for specious xtian superstitions.
Same sex marriage goes against everything I've ever learned and was brought up to believe. However I'm related to 2 individuals whom are in gay relationships. One of which I'm very close with and gotta say the relationship those 2 have is better, stronger and more loving than hundreds of male/female marriages. I wish I could validate there relationship but no matter how I look at it I do look at through Christian eyes and it's wrong.
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Falcon...you proved to us all your hatred towards the JWs....must you remind us all the time or is that just spillage from your ears.....?
Remember i told u to wear ear-muffs.
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Premise: the 'jove witless' belief system is a cult.
Syllogism: it is extremely difficult to de-program a stupid cultist
Syllogism: you have demonstrated a sufficiently low level of intelligence to be considered stupid
Conclusion: there is very little hope that you can be de-programmed and freed from your blind faith
Falcon...you proved to us all your hatred towards the JWs....
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Falcon is right Sak.....the word sodomy was just invented...it had nothing to do with the city in the bible that practiced depraved sex and was destroyed by God.
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Falcon is right ...
Compared to your false conclusions, that isn't unusual.
...it had nothing to do with the city in the bible that practiced depraved sex and was destroyed by God.
There is no valid evidence to support that religious claim, (hearsay accounts of dubious attributions to 'magical' sources by blind faithers do not constitute valid evidence).
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Dont worry stupid.....just look around this country for the modern version of Sodom...so you didnt miss out yet.
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And if the administrator admonishes me for calling you stupid i hope he goes back and sees that you couldnt refrain from the name calling while i did.
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Dont worry stupid...
Now you're reduced to being a stupid person falsely accusing someone who is not. Is that standard jw practice when faced with the irrefutable facts?
...just look around this country for the modern version of Sodom...so you didnt miss out yet.
I remain uninterested in where you live, however.
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The difference is that you've demonstrated stupidity in several documented posts, (as well as non-reasoning from a false premise and outright lying), whereas there is no evidence of my doing so, (noting that your specious/unsupported 'opinion' does not constitute evidence).
And if the administrator admonishes me for calling you stupid i hope he goes back and sees that you couldnt refrain from the name calling while i did.
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Jesus was able to heal the blind......
Even HE would have a hard time performing that miracle on you!!
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Parenthetically, I use rational reasoning to *see* whereas you use irrational illogic to blind yourself, pathetically.
Jesus was able to heal the blind......
There's no valid evidence to support such a religious claim, (hearsay from those blinded by faith does not constitute valid evidence).
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There's no valid evidence to support such a religious claim, (hearsay from those blinded by faith does not constitute valid evidence).
That backs up exactly what i mean!!
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Hmmm...maybe ill have the last say for awhile.....you wont like that...heh hehehehe
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Parenthetically, I use rational reasoning to *see* whereas you use irrational illogic to blind yourself, pathetically.
There's no valid evidence to support such a religious claim, (hearsay from those blinded by faith does not constitute valid evidence).
That backs up exactly what i mean!!
What, that parenthetically, I use rational reasoning to *see* whereas you use irrational illogic to blind yourself, pathetically? Or, that you use irrational illogic to fail to support your religious claims?
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What're you, 6.66 years old?
Hmmm...maybe ill have the last say for awhile.....you wont like that...heh hehehehe
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Still on eh....The Beatles ended their song Helter Skelter with John Lennon screaming out,"I got blisters on my fingers"
I am using that phrase and just changing one word towards you because of the time you are on this forum.
You figure out the word.....
Hint :the word dumb precedes it followed by 3 letters.
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You've made your low level of intelligence general knowledge by posting in these forums however, your own words are a tacit/subconscious admission and that's a first step.
I am ... the word dumb preced[ing] it, followed by 3 letters.
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Dont go to sleep....ya never know when i might grab that last post from you....LOL!!
Im sure you must hate that i see that about you...but it really is obvious..even from someone that is 6.66 yrs old.
Sleep tight and dont let the xtians bite.
Example of a nightmare Falcon would have.....being locked in a library with no way out and all the books are bibles.
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Dont go to sleep....ya never know when i might grab that last post from you....LOL!!
That's a childish attitude for you to hold but then again, so are religious superstitions.
...it really is obvious..even from someone that is 6.66 yrs old.
True however, your tacit admission in order to be self-deprecating is merely another example of how deeply your self-inflicted blindness plunges.
Sleep tight and dont let the xtians bite.
They never do, since xtians, (and fundie cultists), are all bark and no bite.
Example of a nightmare Falcon would have.....being locked in a library with no way out and all the books are bibles.
On the contrary, such would provide fair kindling for barbeque fires.
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On the contrary, such would provide fair kindling for barbeque fires.
You should keep 1 around. If you like magic, monsters, evil deities, super-heroes, and random nonsensical violence in your mythology, I recommend it. It's pretty wordy though.
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On the contrary, such would provide fair kindling for barbeque fires.
You should keep 1 around. If you like magic, monsters, evil deities, super-heroes, and random nonsensical violence in your mythology, I recommend it. It's pretty wordy though.
That's alright, I've read better quality fiction from those who made no pretenses about writing fictional accounts of such things. Even as kindling, the 'bible' smells of hypocrisy.
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Since the thread is about Gay Marriage, I will suggest you two gay marry each other... you fight like an old married couple =P
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Since the thread is about Gay Marriage, I will suggest you two gay marry each other... you fight like an old married couple =P
Since I've got a female girlfriend and the one I've been refuting supposedly has married his male/female cousin, (something which would account for his demonstrated mental deficiencies), a marriage wouldn't be possible, or desirable.
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Just to keep everyone updated here,i have been married since April 1979 to a very loyal lady.
I am quite surprised to hear you have a girlfriend Falcon...with all the time you spend in front of the comp is she doing cartwheels in front of you to grab your attention?And also because of your time on the comp when you take her out to dinner does that mean you eventually make it to the kitchen?And when you go to sleep...i figure you must have a comp in the bedroom as well or maybe you take your laptop to bed with you.I hope she doesnt get jealous!!
Ill bet i know your fav position with her....her laptop!!!
LOL!!!!!!!!
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And Siggy...please let it sink in what you read.Ive stated many times how i feel about gay relationships.
I have no problem having friends that are gay but thats it bro!!
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It doesn't take that long to refute specious religious nonsense against gay marriage nor, to make a few dollars.
...with all the time you spend in front of the comp ...
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I've heard about this supposed "girlfriend" of Falcon9's before.If she actually exists,she must be a prize.What other woman would share a guy like Falcon9 with Fc's Message Board every waking moment of the day? ;D
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She's a better woman than you'll ever be, "jonnie".
I've heard about this supposed "girlfriend" of Falcon9's before.If she actually exists,she must be a prize.What other woman would share a guy like Falcon9 with Fc's Message Board every waking moment of the day? ;D
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Well i know 1 thing his GF better do.Always agree with him and believe that shes made outta carbon.
You know he wouldnt be with her if she believed in God or the bible.Maybe 1 day she'll come on FC forum and ask her how she has the patience to deal with him.
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Well i know 1 thing his GF better do.Always agree with him and believe that shes made outta carbon.
She would be made out of carbon. As you are. Human's are about 20% carbon. And people can easily disagree with Falcon9, but I have yet to see any uneducated religious people like yourself make even a slightly decent counter-argument.
Just to keep everyone updated here,i have been married since April 1979 to a very loyal lady.
You know he wouldnt be with her if she believed in God or the bible.Maybe 1 day she'll come on FC forum and ask her how she has the patience to deal with him.
Personally attacking someone in a debate means the attacker has most likely lost the debate or does not possess any education on the issue at hand and thus feels cornered. I suggest you stay on topic and don't type like you're some 15 year old troll. I'm probably half your age and I'm telling you to grow up. The fact that you're typing like this at your age shows some major maturity problems. If I recall, you've been temporarily banned before for such immature behavior and I suggest you start acting your age before I hit the "report" button.
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Well i know 1 thing his GF better do.Always agree with him and believe that shes made outta carbon.
She would be made out of carbon. As you are. Human's are about 20% carbon. And people can easily disagree with Falcon9, but I have yet to see any uneducated religious people like yourself make even a slightly decent counter-argument.
Though carbon-based isn't quite the same as "made out of carbon", your point concerning the lack of a decent counter-argument from un(semi)educated religious adherents is a common occurance.
You know he wouldnt be with her if she believed in God or the bible.Maybe 1 day she'll come on FC forum and ask her how she has the patience to deal with him.
Personally attacking someone in a debate means the attacker has most likely lost the debate or does not possess any education on the issue at hand and thus feels cornered. I suggest you stay on topic and don't type like you're some 15 year old troll. I'm probably half your age and I'm telling you to grow up. The fact that you're typing like this at your age shows some major maturity problems. If I recall, you've been temporarily banned before for such immature behavior and I suggest you start acting your age before I hit the "report" button.
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Have a piece of cheese Falcon2
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1 more thing Falcon 2...the back and forth between Falcon9 and myself really has nothing to do with you.Dont make it sound so one-sided.I realize your hatred of the JWs too.
I know you wont do it but if youd stop addressing me that would be fine....i absolutely have no use for you and no intent to carry on a discussion with you...i see very well what you are like.So stop with the threats already before i report you.
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1 more thing Falcon 2...the back and forth between Falcon9 and myself really has nothing to do with you.
These posts are in a forum which is available to members and non-members alike. The exchanges are not private e-mail or chat messages. Anyone who decides to reply can if they wish. Anyone who decides to ignore posts/not reply can do that too.
I know you wont do it but if youd stop addressing me that would be fine....i absolutely have no use for you and no intent to carry on a discussion with you...i see very well what you are like.So stop with the threats already before i report you.
First, you don't get to issue orders here that anyone is obliged to follow. Scondly, what are you going to report "Falconeer02", (not Falcon2), for - reporting you? Thirdly, reporting someone for actually violating FC TOS and policies isn't a "threat" however, 'threatening' to report someone who hasn't done so is an empty threat.
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Look Falcon9 i know you are gonna take his back.....but you know as well as me we are both guilt getting off topic here and i know you enjoy the entertainment as much as i do.
It really irks me that Fal2 makes you sound so innocent and im the bad guy here...hence i threw him a piece of cheese for the rat coming out in him.
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Look Falcon9 i know you are gonna take his back.....but you know as well as me we are both guilt getting off topic here and i know you enjoy the entertainment as much as i do.
On the contrary, I do not enjoy your immature trolling, fundie cultist, whether it's on or off topic.
It really irks me that Fal2 makes you sound so innocent and im the bad guy here...hence i threw him a piece of cheese for the rat coming out in him.
Your 'chessy' non-rebuttals are non sequiturs and further evidence that you're trolling, (not responding to the context of posts and continuing to troll instead). That's likely because the context of what you aren't replying to is akin to 'rat poison' for you.
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I answered Siggy on abortion.You chimed in.Thats fine.Then we were off to the races.
You wanna be outspoken on how you feel about what i say...fine......you reap what you sow
Actually in some regard i am stupid for continuing this as well,but i will admit im entertained too and when you allow me to give a good witness i hope 1 sees it.
Youve hit me below the belt as much.You actually started the name calling while i refrained from it.The posts are there to read.
You wanna turn this into more i wont back down...you wanna ignore me thats fine too.I really wish you would but when i comment on something you cant resist going against me.Id be willling to bet i can ignore ALL of you before you can ignore me.If be even willing to make a bet on it.....loser gets suspended 30 days if admin OKs it.
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1 more thing Falcon 2...the back and forth between Falcon9 and myself really has nothing to do with you.Dont make it sound so one-sided.I realize your hatred of the JWs too.
First off, when someone is acting like a stupid child, I'll call them on it. This has nothing to do with Falcon9-- it has everything to do with you acting like some smartass kid. Secondly, I have no hatred of the people. I have a disdain towards the belief system and how people like you cannot see the bright and shiny faults that crumble it's weak foundations. It's blatant ignorance.
know you wont do it but if youd stop addressing me that would be fine....i absolutely have no use for you and no intent to carry on a discussion with you
Hey...quick practical idea here...don't like me posting to you? Don't post in the same threads I post in. I know your beliefs enough to know that I'm extremely dangerous to you mentally, so you should be avoiding me. Not the other way around. Unless you can actually debate or discuss something, you shouldn't BE in debate and discuss!
So stop with the threats already before i report you.
I threatened you? I warned you as a favor. If you see it differently, please do report me! I urge you to report me! I'd love for any admin to read the last page or two. You know quite well that your hands are stained red here. Mine aren't.
It really irks me that Fal2 makes you sound so innocent and im the bad guy here
Ill bet i know your fav position with her....her laptop!!!
You started a pointless illogical personal attack on an FC member, and now you're the victim? The intelligence you display here is astoundingly stupid. Then again, why should we be surprised at this point -..-
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Actually in some regard i am stupid for continuing this as well ...
Nominally, that would be enough said.
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If maybe you read the thread you would have seen i addressed Siggy on abortion and then Falcon9 chimed in with me...LOL!!!I had no idea you were even ALIVE in the thread......LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!
What ru smoking.
And believe me if i wanna speak in a thread you are in i dont care...im sure you would do same to me.....Just make like im not there and i give you my honor i will do the same for you...you are quite easy not to deal with.
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I dont go outta my way to deal with the 2 of you.Its always you attacking something i say.And im not like others on here....i despise being bullied.
So be good little boys and leave me alone and i promise you the same....but then Falcon9 will say,this is a forum we all can comment on blah blah blah....
Again the 2 of you are easy to not deal with.....so nothing will start if u leave me alone....simple.But i know you guys cant do it cos you thrive on trouble.
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I dont go outta my way to deal with the 2 of you.Its always you attacking something i say.And im not like others on here....i despise being bullied.
So be good little boys and leave me alone and i promise you the same....but then Falcon9 will say,this is a forum we all can comment on blah blah blah....
Again the 2 of you are easy to not deal with.....so nothing will start if u leave me alone....simple.But i know you guys cant do it cos you thrive on trouble
Well first off,you already HAVE gone far out of your way. Secondly, all I hear here is "I'm too shallow to avoid topics I don't understand, so I'm still going to stick around and let these guys show me that my reasoning is wrong, and then call it bullying when I start acting like a 5 year old and don't get my way."
Grow up.
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Falconer2
Have a .... evening
Get your last word in and im done with you......you draw first blood down the road.....im reporting you
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I dont go outta my way to deal with the 2 of you.Its always you attacking something i say.And im not like others on here....i despise being bullied.
So be good little boys and leave me alone and i promise you the same....but then Falcon9 will say,this is a forum we all can comment on blah blah blah....
Again the 2 of you are easy to not deal with.....so nothing will start if u leave me alone....simple.But i know you guys cant do it cos you thrive on trouble
Well first off,you already HAVE gone far out of your way. Secondly, all I hear here is "I'm too shallow to avoid topics I don't understand, so I'm still going to stick around and let these guys show me that my reasoning is wrong, and then call it bullying when I start acting like a 5 year old and don't get my way."
Grow up.
The hypocrisy involved in falsely claiming to be "bullied" is often employed by those who mislabel dissent/challenge/refution of their initial trollings. It's either complete self-delusion or, a failure to realize that the sequence of posts are archived.
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Get your last word in and im done with you......you draw first blood down the road.....im reporting you
Have a great evening, sir!
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Your admission to stupidity is a non sequitur; you began trolling with religious jw proselytizing. While FC nominally allows this, they also permit dissenting/opposing responses to such trolling propaganda. This isn't an unopposed platform for religious proselytization; if you choose to engage in it, others may, (and do), choose to oppose it. If that balanced approach upsets your 'delicate sensibilities', (e.g., irrational desire to suppress dissent), the ignore function is available as an option to you.
Actually in some regard i am stupid for continuing this as well,but i will admit im entertained too and when you allow me to give a good witness i hope 1 sees it.
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I just want to say good morning and i hope everyone slept good last night ... :angel11:
the topic on marriage is a debate because all relationships are a challenge and we should learn what a marriage consist of first before getting into it.im married and its hard.i cant see im ok with gay marriage,im a christian and i believe in the holy bible just like i can have sex outside my marriage we all have rules to go by,so we must do so or suffer the consequences of our actions,so i guess im saying that we must learn from the creator what we need to do as far as loving each other ,fisrt we must love ourself... :heart:
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In the bible it says, Man shall not lay with man and women shall not lay with women. So, I'm going with the bible.
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I have no problem with it unless they try and do anything in front of me. Everyone has a choice. I have alot of gay friends. I am in a committed relationship with my old man. I am straight as they come.
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In the bible it says ...
Superstitious religious beliefs based upon blind faith are irrelevant.
So, I'm going with the bible.
Of course you are; because irrationality makes logical sense?
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I am totally ok with it. I have a lot of gay friends.
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Very wise choice Lacdog
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In the bible it says, Man shall not lay with man and women shall not lay with women. So, I'm going with the bible.
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In the bible it says ...
Superstitious religious beliefs based upon blind faith are irrelevant.
So, I'm going with the bible.
Of course you are; because irrationality makes logical sense? Another reason to oppose blind religious faith; it negatively-impacts the decision-making process, (or subverts it entirely).
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In the bible it says, Man shall not lay with man and women shall not lay with women. So, I'm going with the bible.
"In the bible it says, slavery is alright and you can stone your children to death if they're disobedient. So, I'm going with the bible."
Above is the major flaw in your reasoning. Anyone beyond a kindergarten level of reasoning can see the disgusting and inhumane belief you hold so dear.
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In the bible it says, Man shall not lay with man and women shall not lay with women. So, I'm going with the bible.
"In the bible it says, slavery is alright and you can stone your children to death if they're disobedient. So, I'm going with the bible."
Above is the major flaw in your reasoning. Anyone beyond a kindergarten level of reasoning can see the disgusting and inhumane belief you hold so dear.
Reasoning? theres none of that in the bible! Thus we don't need it because it's not in the bible!
Problem solved!
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In the bible it says, Man shall not lay with man and women shall not lay with women. So, I'm going with the bible.
"In the bible it says, slavery is alright and you can stone your children to death if they're disobedient. So, I'm going with the bible."
Above is the major flaw in your reasoning. Anyone beyond a kindergarten level of reasoning can see the disgusting and inhumane belief you hold so dear.
Reasoning? theres none of that in the bible! Thus we don't need it because it's not in the bible!
Problem solved!
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Though perhaps facetious, that's valid point. Blind religious faith and logical reasoning haven't gotten along before and nothing's changed much now.
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Reasoning? theres none of that in the bible! Thus we don't need it because it's not in the bible!
Incorrect.
If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is
stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." 21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death."
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
And if you're telling me slavery is not condoned in the bible, then obviously you have not read that book much and I suggest you do so before a non-xtian has to school you on your beliefs again.
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Reasoning? theres none of that in the bible! Thus we don't need it because it's not in the bible!
Incorrect.
If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is
stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." 21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death."
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
And if you're telling me slavery is not condoned in the bible, then obviously you have not read that book much and I suggest you do so before a non-xtian has to school you on your beliefs again.
I often forget how difficult it is to convey sarcasm over the internet...
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I am against "same sex" marriage....Marriage is between a man and a woman...
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Re:Deuteronomy 21:18-21
If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.
This seems to be a favorite among atheists,as if it shows some cruel and barbaric punishment.But simply,it's a command NOT to harbor a dangerous,law-breaking individual.Even if it's your child.A Law we still have to this day.Try aiding and abetting a criminal today,and see how the law treats you.
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This seems to be a favorite among atheists,as if it shows some cruel and barbaric punishment.But simply,it's a command NOT to harbor a dangerous,law-breaking individual.Even if it's your child.A Law we still have to this day.Try aiding and abetting a criminal today,and see how the law treats you.
Psychologists, psychiatrists, pharmecutical engineers, etc. etc. It would be moral and COMPLETELY logical if that book talked or explained about the mind of such individuals and how to diagnose and treat such seemingly unchangeable behavior. But it does not. Instead it just says stone them to death. Even if it's your own kid. How utterly barbaric and cruel. You're an immoral individual for not understanding the problem and for defending these verses. A very sickening display of not having common sense.
I often forget how difficult it is to convey sarcasm over the internet...
OH! Sorry-- didn't catch it. My bad. Then again, I've had my fair share of people not understanding my sarcasm through text as well.
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Well as a christian, i of course would be against gay marriage, not hating the individuals, just the sin, God word says he is against gay actions, he hate the sin, but not the individual and that's the way we should be. We can't control their actions, but we can not vote for that law. God meant when he created man and woman, to be for each other, not man and man, or woman being with woman, sin and not wanting to follow God will, caused God to give them up to a reprobate mind and he caused them to change their natural order of affection towards each other, so man starting being with man and their women's with other women's, but that is not what God intended them to be like. Marriage between woman and man is a divine order, a commitment, a covenant between man, woman and God, not to be belittle as man and woman today has made it, it is a abomination to God. But God clearly tells us in his word not to hate the individuals, but hate the sin and not to get involved with those kind of spirits, to pray for them and love them. I leave the judging of what others are and do to God, because he is the judge and not us. :female: :angel12:
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Its funny how some come out and say the bible is BS but then they resort back to it.
EX:Many say Adam didnt die in the day he sinned.Now we see the how they are viewing it.They are using our 24 hr day when God meant his day...which is 1000 yrs of our time.So Adam did die in Gods day NOT mans.
There are many others too but this post is intended for those that want to understand bible NOT debate it.
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Its funny how some come out and say the bible is BS but then they resort back to it.
The various "bibles" are collections of unsubstantiated hearsay which are based upon other unsupported beliefs intended to convince others to accept the lack of evidence on blind faith alone. That's only central point I've been coming back to, despite the unanswered challenge and additional blind faith-based nonsense fundies keep resorting to in lieu of cognitive replies.
There are many others too but this post is intended for those that want to understand bible NOT debate it.
The main things for others to consider are that the various "bibles" are collections of unsubstantiated hearsay which are based upon other unsupported beliefs intended to convince others to accept the lack of evidence on blind faith alone. That the holders of blind faith want to avoid actually debating that basis is more revealing than the diversionary nonsense they are trying to distract with.
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Maybe 1 day FC will honorably discharge you from the forum!
Dis-honorably wouldnt be bad either .....LOL!
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FC isn't a branch of the military and doesn't 'ban' members who haven't violated their TOS. They do and have banned those that do, however. Something you've eperienced before on a temprorary basis and appear to be angling to make it permenent. If you're trolling me under the thread's topic, I'm already spoken-for and have no interest in a proposal from a jw. If your post isn't for that purpose, its content remains non-contextual, just like your cult.
Maybe 1 day FC will honorably discharge you from the forum!
Dis-honorably wouldnt be bad either .....LOL!
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Maybe 1 day FC will honorably discharge you from the forum!
Dis-honorably wouldnt be bad either .....LOL!
Lol!If only!
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Falcon9...I have no idea what UR talking about....you put a post up that i posted but i dont see your name with it....do you have a guilty conscience?
Its no good to threaten me that i was speaking about you..theres no proof!!
So watch what you say otherwise i might have to report you.
And BTW...i agree with what bible says about gay marriage.
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Falcon9...I have no idea what UR talking about....you put a post up that i posted but i dont see your name with it....do you have a guilty conscience?
If you are unable to collow the context of a thread, maybe you should quote who you're replying to, (unless your blind religious faith prevents cognitive functioning).
Its no good to threaten me that i was speaking about you..theres no proof!!
No threat was made unless you made it. As you proceed to do below:
So watch what you say otherwise i might have to report you.
Go ahead and file a false report; FC staff 'love' that - sometimes it even engenders 'vacation' planning.
And BTW...i agree with what bible says about gay marriage.
That's because you mindlessly adhere to blind faith however, that's not a shock either.
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In my opinion what you do in your private life, is just that private. As far as "same sex" marriage, if you live in a state that allows it go for it. The only problem I have with it is in the religous context. If a certain religion has objections then they should be respected, I don't think people should be bursting into churchs, temples, etc and throwing things at the clergy. If you don't agree with a particular religous belief you don't have to attend services there, it's as simple as that.
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If a certain religion has objections then they should be respected ...
Such an opinion may be based upon conflating 'respect' for option to hold a religious belief and any obligation to respect the content of those superstitious beliefs. There is no such obligation.
If you don't agree with a particular religous belief you don't have to attend services there, it's as simple as that.
Actually, others have the same option to disagree with any particular religious belief as those who hold blind religious beliefs do to have them.
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If a certain religion has objections then they should be respected, I don't think people should be bursting into churchs, temples, etc and throwing things at the clergy.
Respect? Try tolerate. Respecting something while it's causing problems always gets one into trouble. You should always have the right to say "I acknowledge your beliefs, but they are extremely illogical and do not deserve to be respected, therefore *DEBATE*."
And I don't see people who have no beliefs in the supernatural busting into churches, etc. throwing things. That's mainly reserved for the believer's demonizing each other.
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Hi,
I am opposed to Gay Marriage. I believe that marriage is a sacred vow between a man and a woman.
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Hi,
I am opposed to Gay Marriage. I believe that marriage is a sacred vow between a man and a woman.
How would it be for you if a gay male married a lesbian woman?
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I personally don't believe in marraige at all - but if you are going to bite that bullet, I don't think anyone else should have a say so in who you marry. The commitment is no less real for any one demographic.
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I don't believe in it, but who am I to judge only God will.
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I don't believe in it, but who am I to judge only God will.
Presumably, you have a physical existance and an ability to make judgements, whereas no evidence exists of some vague metaphysical entity having either of those aspects.
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What's your stance on Gay Marriage? It shouldn't even be an issue, but it is, so I want to hear everyone's thoughts, especially those in opposition.
Well here is my stance on 'gay marriage' and it base on what the bible have to say on the marriage...Ephesians 5:22,23 marriage union must be honorable,likened to christ bride,so with that scripture text alone where in there does 'gay marriage fit?..1Corinthians 6:9-11...will not inherit god kingdom.now that i my stance on the topic of 'gay marriage' and it backed up god.
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what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may G-d have mercy on your soul.
What's your stance on Gay Marriage? It shouldn't even be an issue, but it is, so I want to hear everyone's thoughts, especially those in opposition.
Well here is my stance on 'gay marriage' and it base on what the bible have to say on the marriage...Ephesians 5:22,23 marriage union must be honorable,likened to christ bride,so with that scripture text alone where in there does 'gay marriage fit?..1Corinthians 6:9-11...will not inherit god kingdom.now that i my stance on the topic of 'gay marriage' and it backed up god.
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I agree that this shouldn't even be an issue. I mean if two people love each other, they should have the right to get married and enjoy all the legal benefits of having such a union. Otherwise they're just cohabitating adults in a relationship who still have to file seperate taxes.
Why do we focus so heavily on same sex marraiges? What about transvestites or transgender relationships? Do they have to lie and just pick a sex?
Marraige used to exist only in the form of arranged marraiges; marrying for love is a rather new concept. Generally marraige was supposed to lead to procriation so that's why it was traditionally between a man and a woman.
That being said, just because it's tradition, doesn't mean it's the one and only way or even that it's the best way. Relying on traditions is committing the logical fallacy "appeal to tradition".
People traditionally kept slaves, that doesn't mean slavery was right.
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What's your stance on Gay Marriage? It shouldn't even be an issue, but it is, so I want to hear everyone's thoughts, especially those in opposition.
Well here is my stance on 'gay marriage' and it base on what the bible have to say on the marriage...Ephesians 5:22,23 marriage union must be honorable,likened to christ bride,so with that scripture text alone where in there does 'gay marriage fit?..1Corinthians 6:9-11...will not inherit god kingdom.now that i my stance on the topic of 'gay marriage' and it backed up god.
That right there is committing the logical fallacy "appeal to authority" you're not logically reasoning out your argument you're just refering to something or someone else's word and going with it. You haven't logically deduced why we should even listen to your source of authority. Nor have you even tried to address the points people make for or against the issue.
This country was built on seperation of church and state. Using religious principles to determine laws violates that notion. When determining what rights someone should and shouldn't have, such arguments should be looked at objectively and completely unbiased.
Objectively I see no problem with letting same sex individuals who love each other deeply enjoy the benefits of a legal union. It in no way impacts the heterosexual unions, they still get all the legal rights and benefits they enjoy today.
What other people do is their business, they shouldn't have to deal with a government telling them it's not right or it's not legal. How can love not be right?
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I disagree that he Government should get involved in that at all! Or for that matter on Abortion, either. Those things should be left up to the individual states to set their statutes on those matters. As it is, there are several states where gays can marry, and those who want to can go there. On a personal note, I think people should love who they want to love. But marriage between same sexes? what is the point? There are growing "Domestic Partner benefits, like health care etc, and also a registry, wher people can have beprivy to eah others medical info and treatment and also end of lifr wishes. As far as property, there is thing called a will. Stop the fighting and just live and love...this will forever be controversial.
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I agree, the government shouldn't have stepped in on jim crow laws either. There was nothing wrong with separate but equal. *End facetious rant*
I disagree that he Government should get involved in that at all! Or for that matter on Abortion, either. Those things should be left up to the individual states to set their statutes on those matters. As it is, there are several states where gays can marry, and those who want to can go there. On a personal note, I think people should love who they want to love. But marriage between same sexes? what is the point? There are growing "Domestic Partner benefits, like health care etc, and also a registry, wher people can have beprivy to eah others medical info and treatment and also end of lifr wishes. As far as property, there is thing called a will. Stop the fighting and just live and love...this will forever be controversial.
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I agree, the government shouldn't have stepped in on jim crow laws either. There was nothing wrong with separate but equal. *End facetious rant*
I disagree that he Government should get involved in that at all! Or for that matter on Abortion, either. Those things should be left up to the individual states to set their statutes on those matters. As it is, there are several states where gays can marry, and those who want to can go there. On a personal note, I think people should love who they want to love. But marriage between same sexes? what is the point? There are growing "Domestic Partner benefits, like health care etc, and also a registry, wher people can have beprivy to eah others medical info and treatment and also end of lifr wishes. As far as property, there is thing called a will. Stop the fighting and just live and love...this will forever be controversial.
The problem is that there is a difference between the government supporting something and private insitutions supporting something. Jim Crow Laws where blatantly disregarding human rights by using government supported segregation, where as the 1964 cilvil rights act banned the private sector from being prejudice in certain situations (where its perfectly alright, because the private sector has competition to regulate its behavior where the government does not.)
With gay marriage, the government outright banning gay marriage it is wrong because the government is forcing others out of being allowed their right to contract because of their own personal choice. At the same time, however, government laws supporting gay marriage would force a private institution (like a church) to sign a contract between to people even if that institution doesn't want too.
Getting the government completely out of marriage and allowing the states to decide is wrong because a form of government is still regulating it and therefore the government is not completely out of it.
How about we only allow the states to get involved when there is a dispute of a contract, and only the judicial system is allowed to even touch it? Therefore the private sector can allow us to organically organize contracts that could replace the blatantly unfair and biased government system that's in place right now. Maybe then I would even consider getting married at all.
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With all this bickering back & forth...
WHO INSTITUTED MARRIAGE?Rosie Odonnell???
We all or should i say most of us know....but it comes down man fixing it or making it right......guess what......
Eccl 8:9 Man has dominated himself to his own injury.
Sorry its unnatural.And i dont wanna hear i was born that way.People get help to stop smoking,drinking,drugs,gambling....Get help!!And then pray for strength.Problem is when we have these bad habits we like them and dont wanna stop till its too late.
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With all this bickering back & forth...
WHO INSTITUTED MARRIAGE?Rosie Odonnell???
It wasn't xtians, it was "pagans", centuries before the xtians copied and altered the concept, (at first, to treat women as chattel and negotiating 'chips' in arranged "marriages").
Sorry its unnatural.
So are artifical/man-made religious beliefs however, these are permitted under secular law. Religious beliefs should never be permitted to dictate secular laws.
Problem is when we have these bad habits we like them and dont wanna stop till its too late.
Agreed; blind religious faith is a "bad habit" that its adherents rarely want to stop, even after it's too late, (has damaged their ability to reason).
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Sorry its unnatural.
It's not unnatural since the behavior is seen in vast amounts of species all over the world. The only thing you can probably argue here is that it's scientifically abnormal behavior.
People get help to stop smoking,drinking,drugs,gambling....Get help!!
Please logically explain the harm of, say, 2 women loving, helping, and wanting a nice life for eachother and how it's on par with all of these things you listed.
Problem is when we have these bad habits we like them and dont wanna stop till its too late.
How is attraction, loving, and caring for someone a bad habit?
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What's your stance on Gay Marriage? It shouldn't even be an issue, but it is, so I want to hear everyone's thoughts, especially those in opposition.
Gay Marriage should only be the choice of those entering the marriage and not for anyone else to criticize. I personally have had many friends who are gay as well as a gay cousin who recently entered into a "marriage". People should all just try to get along and live and let live!!!!!
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The image of God is both male and female and is reflected in a godly union between male and female where the creative power of God, His life-giving, His self-giving and His moral nature are perfectly expressed. This is only possible in a heterosexual union.
When God created a partner for Adam He created Eve—not another Adam. This means that perfect partnership requires some level of difference as well as a level of similarity so great that Adam could cry out loudly, ”This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh”. Sexual intimacy between a man and a woman is the normal method of male/female bonding (emotionally and physically) because it corresponds to the design of our bodies and because it is the normal means by which offspring are created.
If God had intended the human race to be fulfilled through both heterosexual and homosexual marriage, He would have designed our bodies to allow reproduction through both means and made both means of sexual intercourse healthy and natural. Homosexual *bleep* intercourse carries a high risk of disease, this is recognized in Scripture where gay men are said to receive in their bodies the due penalty for their error (Romans 1:27).
[Editor’s Note: Various studies indicate that homosexual behavior makes both men and women more vulnerable to disease and decreases lifespan. See: R.S. Hogg, S.A. Strathdee, KJ Craib, M.V. O’Shaughnessy, J.S. Montaner and M.T. Schechter, “Modelling the impact of HIV disease on mortality in gay and bisexual men,” International Journal of Epidemiology, Vol. 26 (Oxford University, 1997), pp. 657-661. (“If the same pattern of mortality were to continue, we estimate that nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently aged 20 years will not reach their 65th birthday”) / Executive Summary, “Health Implications Associated with Homosexuality,” Medical Institute of Sexual Health (1999) (”Homosexual men are at significantly increased risk for HIV/AIDS, hepatitis, *bleep* cancer, gonorrhea and gastrointestinal infections.” “Women who have sex with women are at significantly increased risk of bacterial vaginosis, breast cancer and ovarian cancer than are heterosexual women.”) / L.A. Valleroy, D.A. MacKellar, J.M. Daron, et al, “HIV prevalence and associated risks in young men who have sex with men,” JAMA, 284 (2000), pp. 198-204. (Discusses the prevalence of HIV infection and high-risk behaviors in study group of 3,492 young men who have sex with men.) / D. Binson, W.J. Woods, L. Pollack, J. Paul, R. Stall, J.A. Catania, “Differential HIV risk in bathhouses and public cruising areas,” American Journal of Public Health, 91 (2001), pp. 1482-1486. (demonstrates that high risk behaviors are still quite common among homosexual men).]
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The image of God is both male and female ...
No wonder you're confused about this issue. Your assertion is based on unsupported religious beliefs and has no evidence to substantiate it, (although the original concept of a 'gender-ambiguous' entity predates any judeo-xtian plagiarisms, there remains no evidence that such a belief is accurate).
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With all this bickering back & forth...
WHO INSTITUTED MARRIAGE?Rosie Odonnell???
LOL,no kidding!
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I didnt realize this line caused blindness either...in sight and mind.....
Homosexual *bleep* intercourse carries a high risk of disease, this is recognized in Scripture where gay men are said to receive in their bodies the due penalty for their error (Romans 1:27).
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Jesus did forewarn tho that man would love the darkness.
And this goes for the whole world NOT only the gay community.
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I didnt realize this line caused blindness either...in sight and mind.....
(Romans 1:27).
That's because faith blinds you, in both ways.
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The image of God is both male and female and is reflected in a godly union between male and female where the creative power of God, His life-giving, His self-giving and His moral nature are perfectly expressed. This is only possible in a heterosexual union.
There are homosexual unions that work though.
Sexual intimacy between a man and a woman is the normal method of male/female bonding (emotionally and physically) because it corresponds to the design of our bodies and because it is the normal means by which offspring are created.
It's also normal between homosexual couples. Heck, if there was no emotional or physical bond, why would they even go that route? Offspring can be created nowadays through artifical insemenation. Gay couples also have the ability to adopt children (because, in many cases, straight couples don't want these children). Studies show that these children are not effected by being raised by a gay couple. Your argument here is flawed due to your lack of cultural education.
Homosexual *bleep* intercourse carries a high risk of disease, this is recognized in Scripture where gay men are said to receive in their bodies the due penalty for their error
All intercourse carries a risk of disease though. Just because the risk of something is a bit higher for someone it does not mean they should avoid it entirely-- that's invading in on someone's own basic freedoms. They just need to play it safe. And all those diseases you listed? Straight couples can get them too (some obviously depending on what the couple is in to...).
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Jesus did forewarn tho that man would love the darkness.
Good thing the gay community selected a bright and shiny rainbow as their logo!
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Jesus did forewarn tho that man would love the darkness.
Good thing the gay community selected a bright and shiny rainbow as their logo!
Though the unsupported religious hearsay may refer to blind faith being a "love" of such "darkness".
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The image of God is both male and female and is reflected in a godly union between male and female where the creative power of God, His life-giving, His self-giving and His moral nature are perfectly expressed. This is only possible in a heterosexual union.
There are homosexual unions that work though.
Sexual intimacy between a man and a woman is the normal method of male/female bonding (emotionally and physically) because it corresponds to the design of our bodies and because it is the normal means by which offspring are created.
It's also normal between homosexual couples. Heck, if there was no emotional or physical bond, why would they even go that route? Offspring can be created nowadays through artifical insemenation. Gay couples also have the ability to adopt children (because, in many cases, straight couples don't want these children). Studies show that these children are not effected by being raised by a gay couple. Your argument here is flawed due to your lack of cultural education.
Homosexual *bleep* intercourse carries a high risk of disease, this is recognized in Scripture where gay men are said to receive in their bodies the due penalty for their error
All intercourse carries a risk of disease though. Just because the risk of something is a bit higher for someone it does not mean they should avoid it entirely-- that's invading in on someone's own basic freedoms. They just need to play it safe. And all those diseases you listed? Straight couples can get them too (some obviously depending on what the couple is in to...).
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Absolute NONSENSE!!!!
This post wasnt even worth posting to tell you that
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Absolute NONSENSE!!!!
This post wasnt even worth posting to tell you that
Yet, you took the time to post that your post was "absolute nonsense", (and confirm that your 'reply' would be a dodge since you requoted Faconer02's rebuttal without reply).
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Absolute NONSENSE!!!!
This post wasnt even worth posting to tell you that
Because...?
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Yeah my good natured self knew Falconer2 had no idea what he was talking about...maybe like being in a coma....i wanted to help him snap outta it.
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Yeah my good natured self knew Falconer2 had no idea what he was talking about...maybe like being in a coma....i wanted to help him snap outta it.
That is a false characterization of the rebuttal you requoted without responding to the contextual points raised. Instead of replying to that context, you choose ad hominem, (tossing flimsy and unsupported random opinion out as a smoke screen). If that's your way of tacitly admitting that you have no valid response then you aren't here to debate your unsubstantiated claims; you're here just to proselytize such specious religious claims.
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Yeah my good natured self knew Falconer2 had no idea what he was talking about...maybe like being in a coma....i wanted to help him snap outta it.
A good natured person would take the time to explain why the opposing viewpoint is incorrect.
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Yeah my good natured self knew Falconer2 had no idea what he was talking about...maybe like being in a coma....i wanted to help him snap outta it.
A good natured person would take the time to explain why the opposing viewpoint is incorrect.
Ive made attempts to show the 2 of you over the long haul what i support.Its like spitting into the wind like i just said in the other topic.Again go debate with the other guys.
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Yeah my good natured self knew Falconer2 had no idea what he was talking about...maybe like being in a coma....i wanted to help him snap outta it.
A good natured person would take the time to explain why the opposing viewpoint is incorrect.
Ive made attempts to show the 2 of you over the long haul what i support.
Doubtless we're both aware of what you "support", (falconer02 moreso, having more direct experience with it). The request he made was for the "reasoning" used to support your religious contention, not more circular biblical verses. Given the opportunity to do so, you remain unable to meet that challenge and declined to debate it.
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Ive made attempts to show the 2 of you over the long haul what i support.
And what you support here is illogical. You have not challenged that fact (yet) even when I respectfully asked you to.
Again go debate with the other guys.
You're the one posting in D+D, dude. If you don't want to play with us, get off the field!
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I said i dont have a problem discussing.....discussing and debating are 2 different meanings...and i am doing just that...you wanna debate that too.....LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I said i dont have a problem discussing.....discussing and debating are 2 different meanings...and i am doing just that...you wanna debate that too.....LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There's a difference between "discussing", (something which only vaguely describes your participation), and simply pontificating religious propaganda, (something which more accurately describes your admitted religious "witnessing"/proselytizing). Apparently, you're unaware that the irrational religious proselytizing is being opposed by reasoned/rational challenges and rebuttals.
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Im UNAWARE that you are in opposition to God,bible etc?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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No, you're apparently unaware that you're 'shooting yourself in your own foot', despite the 'powder burns'.
Im UNAWARE that you are in opposition to God,bible etc?
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My lack of army training i guess that i sooooooooo regret
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Now you've resorted to posting random, unrelated to context remarks? If that was your attempt at sarcasm, it was a poor dodge of replying to the context of what you have no rational rebuttal for.
My lack of army training i guess that i sooooooooo regret
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Duhhh..ill let you figure that out...you have everything else figured <so u think....snicker>
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Your agenda is transparent; you're not here to debate or discuss, (as you've admitted both overtly and tacitly). Instead, you're here because you falsely believe that teh FC forums are platforms for specious religious proselytizing.
Duhhh..ill let you figure that out...you have everything else figured <so u think....snicker>
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Hey, Hitch. Guess what? Congratulations on becoming an internet troll.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
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Hey, Hitch. Guess what? Congratulations on becoming an internet troll.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[3] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[4] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."
The definition fits him however, doubtless he and other xtian 'internet trolls' will attempt to attach that designation to others without evidence, (bearing in mind that their religiously-biased 'opinions' do not constitute actual evidence). Whereas, there is abundant archived evidence of several xtian trolls initially posting trolling posts on FC forums, (responses to trolling posts aren't initial trollings since they're responses to trolls).
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You both are entitled to your opinions.
It doesnt matter what i write here.The both of you have your ignoramus feeling Re bible,God,JWs etc. and that will always be a factor to any that witness or promote them.
You are entitled to feel that way.God gave us freewill.If you wanna feel that way its your choice.
I could care less if you guys ever chat with me.The both of you are obsessed with always commenting on my posts...i dont care either but as ive said many times leave me alone and i will leave you alone.We can have friendly discussions but it will never happen with either of you...so seriously save us all a lot of time and ignore me.....but that will never happen cos of your obsessions with me.You both like to hear yourselves talk or as Jesus said about Pharissess praying out in open...its like you get your rewards in full by cutting down everyones post.But continue to do so and if i have to as always will comment on your silliness when i have to.
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It doesnt matter what i write here.The both of you have your ignoramus feeling Re bible,God,JWs etc. and that will always be a factor to any that witness or promote them.
Rational challenges to specious religious beliefs do not constitute an "ignoramus feeling"; those are not interchangeable terms and are instead, diametrically-opposed. On the other hand, your blind faith in unsubstantiated metaphysical beliefs does constitute an irrational belief.
You are entitled to feel that way.God gave us freewill.If you wanna feel that way its your choice.
There is no evidence that any hypothetical supernatural entity gives anything, let alone "free will" since that is a religious belief without substantive basis. It's also presumptive, pretentious and offensive to apply such a specious belief to others who reject it as irrational.
... save us all a lot of time and ignore me.....
The same option applies to you; if you can understand that the concept of 'ignoring' doesn't include continuing to gossip about the ones you're claiming to ignore.
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Falcon9 and Falconer2 go all over the forum with their comments.It is quite obvious i dont comment on their posts as much as they comment on mine.They have nothing NEW to say anyway.Same ol same ol.
If there was a way to make a bet theyd give in before i did on who can ignore who it would be like taking dead flys from blind spiders.
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The both of you have your ignoramus feeling Re bible,God,JWs etc. and that will always be a factor to any that witness or promote them.
I've already stated this- it is up to YOU to prove that your reasonings are correct and show how your beliefs are real and logical. I am completely open to you actually being correct, but you have failed miserably at proving anything. A great example is the last few pages of this thread! You have never been able to do this, so anyone reading will probably conclude that you cannot explain things coherently and thus your message has no divine foundation.
They have nothing NEW to say anyway
Actually the debate earlier where you failed to explain anything logically was fairly new. I also don't recall arguing how perfect beings can make silly errors.
I could care less if you guys ever chat with me.The both of you are obsessed with always commenting on my posts...i dont care either but as ive said many times leave me alone and i will leave you alone.
Oh please. Stop whining and playing the victim card. You are the one who posts in areas where we post the most. You have been warned constantly. It's like you want to play baseball with the debate + discuss locals and then you get ticked off when you keep striking out because you can't hit our throws so you demand that we leave the field so you can have a chance to actually hit something. Either get better at using the caged brain of yours or get off the field and cry and moan somewhere else.
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The both of you have your ignoramus feeling Re bible,God,JWs etc. and that will always be a factor to any that witness or promote them.
I've already stated this- it is up to YOU to prove that your reasonings are correct and show how your beliefs are real and logical. I am completely open to you actually being correct, but you have failed miserably at proving anything. A great example is the last few pages of this thread! You have never been able to do this, so anyone reading will probably conclude that you cannot explain things coherently and thus your message has no divine foundation.
Such a conclusion, (that "hitch's" religious belief has no supporting evidence), would be the logical deduction. Though he tries to dodge his responsibility of having the burden of proof for making such an religious claim, it still stems from a belief sans evidence.
They have nothing NEW to say anyway
Actually the debate earlier where you failed to explain anything logically was fairly new. I also don't recall arguing how perfect beings can make silly errors.
That's due to his claim being specious, (lacking any evidence whatsoever and relying upon blind religious faith alone). Since the religious claim is internally-contradictory and lacks substantiating evidence, it is an irrational claim and a dodge.
I could care less if you guys ever chat with me.The both of you are obsessed with always commenting on my posts...i dont care either but as ive said many times leave me alone and i will leave you alone.
Oh please. Stop whining and playing the victim card. You are the one who posts in areas where we post the most. You have been warned constantly. It's like you want to play baseball with the debate + discuss locals and then you get ticked off when you keep striking out because you can't hit our throws so you demand that we leave the field so you can have a chance to actually hit something. Either get better at using the caged brain of yours or get off the field and cry and moan somewhere else.
In an recent previous post, "hitch" admitted specifically that he was not "debating" and essentially is posting just to proselytize, ("witness"), his cult's beliefs. Proselytizing is neither debating nor discussing, though this thread exists in the "Debate & Discuss" subforum. Since he's not debating or discussing, (and merely propagandizing a religious belief while tossing 'troll flames' in at random), it is inferred that "hitch" is simply trolling under the definition of "internet troll".
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I think over 15,000,000 attending Lords evening meal and preaching work being done worldwide is enuff proof.
Sorry you dont see it that way.If you cant discern just from that do you think im gonna continue to D&D with 2 sorry ........!!!
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I think over 15,000,000 attending Lords evening meal and preaching work being done worldwide is enuff proof.
Given your other numerous unsupported assertions posted & archived here, that claim is dubious, (though doubtless there are millions of cultists whose blind faith results in self-delusions of making an argumentum ad populum, (Latin for "appeal to the people"), which is a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or most people believe it. In other words, the basic idea of the argument is: "If many believe so, it is so." Such a logical fallacy does not constitute valid "proof" of anything other than the observation that many are deluded and that 'popularity' does not confer accuracy.
Sorry you dont see it that way.If you cant discern just from that do you think im gonna continue to D&D with 2 sorry ........!!!
Apparently, your faith-blindness prevents you from 'discerning' that this thread is posted in the "Debate & Discuss" subforum, not the 'Declare (nonsense) & Dodge (the burden of proof responsibility with an argumentum ad populum). Lastly, you csannot "continue" something which you haven't yet begun in ernest.
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Almost 19,000,000 in 2011...sorry i was off 4 million
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If these attendance numbers are provided by the jw cult, (instead with factual evidence), either claim is dubious to the point of probable falsehood, (due to the penchant of jw members for making unsupported claims).
Almost 19,000,000 in 2011...sorry i was off ...
I agree with your statement about your being "off".
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Jesus called the twelve apostles together. He gave the apostles power to heal sicknesses and power to force demons out of people. Jesus sent the apostles to tell about God's kingdom and to heal the sick. He said to the apostles, "When you travel, don't take a walking stick. Also, don't carry a bag, food, or money. Take for your trip only the clothes you are wearing. When you go into a house, stay there until it is time to leave. If the people in the town will not welcome you, go outside the town and shake their dust off of your feet. This will be a warning to them." So the apostles went out. They traveled through all the towns. They told the Good News and healed people everywhere. Governor Herod heard about all these things that were happening. He was confused because some people said, "John the Baptizer is risen from death." Other people said, "Elijah has come to us." And some other people said, "One of the prophets from long ago has risen from death." Herod said, "I cut off John's head. So who is this man I hear these things about?" Herod continued trying to see Jesus.
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Jesus called ...
No valid evidence has been provided to support the proselytizing religious claim made. Such propagandizing "witnessing" of blind religious faith may not be specifically prohibited under FC guidelines and TOS however, neither is rational opposition to 'sermonizing' unrelated to the thread topic nor containing any "debate" or "discuss" content. It's overt religious pontification which disregards the intent of the D&D subforum and is therefore simply spamming.
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Hey, Hitch. Guess what? Congratulations on becoming an internet troll.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[3] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[4] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."
The definition fits him however, doubtless he and other xtian 'internet trolls' will attempt to attach that designation to others without evidence, (bearing in mind that their religiously-biased 'opinions' do not constitute actual evidence). Whereas, there is abundant archived evidence of several xtian trolls initially posting trolling posts on FC forums, (responses to trolling posts aren't initial trollings since they're responses to trolls).
Strange how that definition fits many of your posts. Just because you are trying to lay the blame on believers for "initially" posting posts you don't agree with, doesn't mean they are "initial." It's your opinion that they are "initial" and so you are trying to take advantage of that in a twisted way to soothe your ego and loathing of believers and their faith. Many of those posts are started to share with other believers and ones who are interested in the topic, not to "proselytize" - that is your interpretation and your opinion, which does not make it fact, just because you think it's fact.
If that's the case, then the same could be applied to you "initially" posting a Wiccan thread, including trying to sway people to the Wiccan way. Many don't believe that way, so you are causing a problem then because of trying to "proselytize" others who don't agree with that. HOWEVER, I only used it as an example to make a point. No one is forcing anyone to open that thread, and you aren't Wiccan, so it's not technically "proselytizing," and I'm not wanting to cut down that thread, out of respect to those who believe that. But, some could infer that you deliberately started that thread to get back at believers, because you know believers don't believe that personally, and you think it would have riled them. It doesn't rile believers - all are entitled to believe in who or what they choose to believe in or of.
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Hey, Hitch. Guess what? Congratulations on becoming an internet troll.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[3] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[4] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."
The definition fits him however, doubtless he and other xtian 'internet trolls' will attempt to attach that designation to others without evidence, (bearing in mind that their religiously-biased 'opinions' do not constitute actual evidence). Whereas, there is abundant archived evidence of several xtian trolls initially posting trolling posts on FC forums, (responses to trolling posts aren't initial trollings since they're responses to trolls).
Strange how that definition fits many of your posts. Just because you are trying to lay the blame on believers for "initially" posting posts you don't agree with, doesn't mean they are "initial."
"Initial" means 'first', (among other things). The religious proselytizing trolling posts were made before any responses to them were posted, (because that what "response" is - something which occurs after the initial trolling).
It's your opinion that they are "initial" ...
No, my "opinion" has no bearing on who posted first, (xtians), since that's archived and an opinion or, "belief" has no impact on facts.
If that's the case, then the same could be applied to you "initially" posting a Wiccan thread, including trying to sway people to the Wiccan way.
There is no "swaying" or proselytizing posted by me in the wiccan informational thread. If you disagree, produce intact quotes directly indicating this to support your "opinion", (not some irrational 'interpretation' but, actual evidence within the meaning of that term and of "swaying").
Many don't believe that way, so you are causing a problem then because of trying to "proselytize" others who don't agree with that.
Once again, without directly valid evidence to support such a petulant opinion, it is rendered empty/specious/false/a lie. Produce the evidence, retract your lie or, it can be added as evidence of your penchant for lying.
HOWEVER, ... you aren't Wiccan, so it's not technically "proselytizing," ...
Your accusation, (and self-contradicting admission), then becomes deliberate trolling instead of a counter-argument.
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The thing is, the "initial" posting of threads ARE NOT TROLLING. If they were, they would be locked, and/or the posters reprimanded or given "time-out." It's YOUR VIEW of what you see it as because of the fact you DISLIKE ANY RELIGIOUS THREADS, PERIOD. You are free to dislike all you want, but they are NOT TROLLING. PERIOD.
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The thing is, the "initial" posting of threads ARE NOT TROLLING.
If they were, they would be locked, and/or the posters reprimanded or given "time-out."
No, their trolling is probably permitted by FC so as not to suppress blind religious faith. They're still trolling under the definition of that term, even if permitted by a private forum.
It's YOUR VIEW of what you see it as because of the fact you DISLIKE ANY RELIGIOUS THREADS, PERIOD. You are free to dislike all you want, but they are NOT TROLLING. PERIOD.
Your dissenting opinion, (sans any evidence whatsoever that the threads initially started by xtians to troll with religious proselytizing aren't is merely an empty denial). The reason they are permitted in the Off Topic forum and D&D subforum is because such off topic subjects fall under the general definition of "off topic", (hence, the name). Such xtian-initiated threads of religious proselytizing which show up in other unrelated forums aren't on-topic and technically constitute trolling. I'm not an FC moderator or staff and leave deciding the form any moderation takes up to the FC staff, (instead of trying to get censorship imposed on those who oppose religious proselytizing so that it can run rampantly-unopposed).
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Just remember.....before any Falcons get by me first...they must pay a TrOLL!!!
Heh Heh!
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I dont allow EZ Pass either.
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Just remember.....before any Falcons get by me first...they must pay a TrOLL!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcYppAs6ZdI&feature=fvwp&NR=1
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I so am not opposed to same sex marriage.
I believe that those who want to get married should have the same rights as those who enter into a traditional heterosexual marriage.
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At least you admitted being a troll, (albeit semi-sarcastically), though you've seem to have mistaken this forum for a bridge to 'propaganda-ville.'
Just remember.....before any Falcons get by me first...they must pay a TrOLL!!!
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I am against gay marriage, I am a women of God and I believe that God created woman for man and not the other way around. It is a sin in the eye sight of God if you want a reference go read Genesis 2:18-25.
God Bless :angel11:
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The bible - Restricting human rights for 2000+ years.
I am against gay marriage, I am a women of God and I believe that God created woman for man and not the other way around. It is a sin in the eye sight of God if you want a reference go read Genesis 2:18-25.
God Bless :angel11:
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Just remember.....before any Falcons get by me first...they must pay a TrOLL!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcYppAs6ZdI&feature=fvwp&NR=1
Do not post links to other sites is in rules.....naughty naughty
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Just remember.....before any Falcons get by me first...they must pay a TrOLL!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcYppAs6ZdI&feature=fvwp&NR=1
Do not post links to other sites is in rules.....naughty naughty
Quote from: Kohler on October 05, 2008, 06:12:27 pm
3. Do not paste links to other sites -- This means no referral links whatsoever
A rule that should probably be number one or number two on the list, because it seems to the be the one most broken. This forum is for FusionCash, not for you to see how many people you can get to your other site that you make money off of. It is not a forum for you to spam your link to your store, candle selling site, or any other site that you can make money off of others. If it is a video on YouTube, or a news story you wish to share with us, by all means share your link. But you should not post links to sites that you own, or in which you have a vested interest. We do not need people sharing links that contains links to other sites where the original poster can gain money from other members. Any link found that contains referral links will be taken down immediately, and the poster will be promptly banned. If you have a link and you are unsure if you can post it, please send in a support ticket or an email to support@fusioncash.com and I will be more than happy to look it over and let you know.
Seeing as he has no vested interest or doesn't own youtube, he's well within his posting privlages.
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Gay marriage is very controversial and my opinions on it are changing everyday gradually. I used to completely reject it because of it being a religious sin and that they can be together without marrying. The thing I realize now is that being married brings many financial benefits.
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I dont see the problem they are not hurting anyone and them getting marriage doesnt make anyone elses marriage less valid jsut like when straight have crappy which is alot of the time it doesnt effect the people in great marriages .not every shares the same religion and we are not living a country where one church makes the rules that was the entire of this country and if we make a group people suffer becuase of one religous groups beliefs i thinks that wrong
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Get over this already. They are human's just like the rest of us.
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Seeing as he has no vested interest or doesn't own youtube, he's well within his posting privlages
Thank you, Hero of Time (Link?).