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So today, I went to the PO to send out some mail and I saw some people who were asking for signatures on a petition. Once I got closer, I saw big signs of Obama with a Hitler mustache, that said something like "WE MUST STOP WWIII!"
I live in a small town that is mainly Republican. I don't personally keep up with politics (because I really couldn't care less about them).
My question is, What has Obama done so wrong that he deserves impeachment? Or if you are in support of him, what have people been accusing him of?
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Pretty standard these days. Every governor, senator, and president for the near future will have some movement to recall or impeach him. Also Hitler comparisons are the thing now too. Everyone is the worst in history. Yawn.
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Obviously because he wasn't born here. I mean, if he was, he'd show his birth certificate, have 1 or maybe 2 birth announcements in 2 different Honolulu newspapers, the department that issues the certificate would have it on file, and maybe the republican governor at the time that it was requested would've sent someone down to verify that the document existed... oh wait... nevermind. I changed my answer to "no reason". It's mainly because people gobble up whatever nonsense they hear with no actual research or thought.
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It shouldn't be about any of this. He is our President; Voted in by US. He is doing a decent job with everything that is here. Who cares if he is Republican, Brown, yellow, a Democrat, Purple, has one leg, where he was born or is a bad dancer?
HE IS OUR PRESIDENT AND HE IS AN AMERICAN!!!!!
I am so tired of this! 4 years now! Let it go!
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It shouldn't be about any of this. He is our President; Voted in by US. He is doing a decent job with everything that is here. Who cares if he is Republican, Brown, yellow, a Democrat, Purple, has one leg, where he was born or is a bad dancer?
HE IS OUR PRESIDENT AND HE IS AN AMERICAN!!!!!
I am so tired of this! 4 years now! Let it go!
Just checking to see if this response was to me. I was being sarcastic in my response above
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Actually it is. You cant be president unless you are a us citizen. Sure he brought the unemployment down. People are only allowed to collect unemployment for so long. Alot of people are forced to hold down 2 minimum wage jobs in order to survive. What about obamas 4 million dollar vacation that we americans paid for. Will you ever see that kind of money? His daughter has also taken vacations at the taxpayers exopense.Is anyone aware that come January 2013 there will be a 1% tax put on everyone that has a checking or savings account when you put money in or take it out (evertime). This was put there by obama. We could have had jobs from Canada down through all the way to Texas and another one going the opposite way to Florida. That could have meant millions of dollars and lots of jobs. He would not approve it. There are alot of things that need changed in the health care bill. There lots of hidden taxes. There are limits on types of doctors. how often you can see them the list goes. Pulling the racism card in order for him come president is pathetic. The only racism there is whomever started that. I didnt vote for him or mccain. I voted for bob barr I have no idea as to who he is or was. But seeing obama and mccain on tv lieing their butts I wouldnt vote for either one. I now realize I wasted my vote. I would actually rather of had mccain.
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Actually it is. You cant be president unless you are a us citizen. Sure he brought the unemployment down. People are only allowed to collect unemployment for so long. Alot of people are forced to hold down 2 minimum wage jobs in order to survive. What about obamas 4 million dollar vacation that we americans paid for. Will you ever see that kind of money? His daughter has also taken vacations at the taxpayers exopense.Is anyone aware that come January 2013 there will be a 1% tax put on everyone that has a checking or savings account when you put money in or take it out (evertime). This was put there by obama. We could have had jobs from Canada down through all the way to Texas and another one going the opposite way to Florida. That could have meant millions of dollars and lots of jobs. He would not approve it. There are alot of things that need changed in the health care bill. There lots of hidden taxes. There are limits on types of doctors. how often you can see them the list goes. Pulling the racism card in order for him come president is pathetic. The only racism there is whomever started that. I didnt vote for him or mccain. I voted for bob barr I have no idea as to who he is or was. But seeing obama and mccain on tv lieing their butts I wouldnt vote for either one. I now realize I wasted my vote. I would actually rather of had mccain.
Again, nothing here is true. Remember that after you hear Rush say something you should do just a little fact checking. Stretch is a perfect handle for you as you tend to do that with the truth.
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because he has done nothing for our country but run us into debt
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It is rough out there, and i agree with you achavo and stretch. He has not reduced the unemployement. They ran out of checks so not recorded as unemployed now. He likes to twist the numbers to make himself look good. If he gets reelected , i think we will be in a world of hurt. My beliefs take it or leave it. We are all entitled to our opinons
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He has not reduced the unemployement.
Yes, he has.
We are all entitled to our opinons
Saying something that isn't true isn't an "opinion." In my opinion, gravity doesn't exist. See the difference?
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because he has done nothing for our country but run us into debt
Unless I am mistaken, it was something that HAD to be done so as not to foreclose our entire nation at the time. Am I better off today then I was 4 years ago? Judging from what he was given, I think it is going OK. Fact is, nobody will EVER be happy. If the Republicans had gotten in, we as a nation would have been in the same predicament. I think he has done the best that he can under the circumstances.
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He has done nothing to impeach him. People voted for him so live with your decisions. He will be our president no matter what until at least end of his term. People know how to vote if they don't want reelected.
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So today, I went to the PO to send out some mail and I saw some people who were asking for signatures on a petition. Once I got closer, I saw big signs of Obama with a Hitler mustache, that said something like "WE MUST STOP WWIII!"
Weird, I went to the PO in my town about a month ago and came across the same thing as you. there were 2 people. one was handing out info and the other one was taking pictures. he must of got a picture of me because I notice him looking in my direction with his camera. the woman that was handing out info was asking for my signature and a way to keep in touch with me. I told her that I wasn't interested and I walked away.
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we have no reason to impeach obama he is doing the best he can with the hand he was given it was already in bad shape when he took office.
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So today, I went to the PO to send out some mail and I saw some people who were asking for signatures on a petition. Once I got closer, I saw big signs of Obama with a Hitler mustache, that said something like "WE MUST STOP WWIII!"
I live in a small town that is mainly Republican. I don't personally keep up with politics (because I really couldn't care less about them).
My question is, What has Obama done so wrong that he deserves impeachment? Or if you are in support of him, what have people been accusing him of?
i think now is a silly time for such an issue with elections around the corner.
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ANYONE IGNORANT ENOUGH TO WANT TO IMPEACH OUR PRESIDENT LACKS RESPECT AND NEEDS TO SHUT THEIR MOUTH. WHO ARE YOU?
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Arnold Scwartzennegger ( I apoligize if I spelled it wrong) He was not allowed to be president do to the fact he was not born in the Usa. All of the lies and stuff that Obama has stated all of the time he is not an American. Our flag is sacred. Our military fight for us. How does he repay them??? Very questionable he wants to keep our military from voting. Go figure.
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Arnold Scwartzennegger ( I apoligize if I spelled it wrong) He was not allowed to be president do to the fact he was not born in the Usa. All of the lies and stuff that Obama has stated all of the time he is not an American. Our flag is sacred. Our military fight for us. How does he repay them??? Very questionable he wants to keep our military from voting. Go figure.
NO. Stop it. You aren't even getting the shock jock talking points right anymore.
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The president is sworn to office with the promise to uphold the constitution. This president has done everything in his power to supplant, get around, disregard and eventually destroy our constitution. There are not too many politicians that will stand up to him publically, and share these things with the American people.
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The president is sworn to office with the promise to uphold the constitution. This president has done everything in his power to supplant, get around, disregard and eventually destroy our constitution.
Naturally, you are able to produce evidentiary cites to justify such allegations, (otherwise they'd be empty insinuations and baseless libel).
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The man has done NOTHING wrong! Except to be President. Why anyone would want to be President is beyond me! He can do NOTHING right, EVER! And with what we have had in the face of this HORRRIBLE world and all its problems he has done a decent job. NOT great, but we as a nation are still around and kicking. So it couldn't have been that bad.
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i don't know about impeaching... but i can't respect any person who lies to millions more than once and doesn't even explain himself or acknowledge hes lying
i don't think obama or romney should run or country... i don't think i should be under the control of either man
how is it fair that i(we) getta choose between two ppl to control our lives?
and to everyone whos saying oh hes doing a good job... i think anyone with common sense who had the problems layed out in front of them could do his job and i bet many could do it better.... well at least me haha
And this was why our government was never intended to be as it is now. The federal government was to be the weakest government with any authority over our daily lives. Your local mayor was to have the most 'power' so that you could always "vote with your feet". That we even could suggest the possibility of the amount of control the Federal government has over you as you describe is a perfect indicator that the Federal government has exceeded its authority.
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Well all I will say is I am going to vote for him again because I really dont care for Romney who chooses to hide his taxes and his money from Americans and decided that gutting middle class will make our lives better. Its my opinion and I love it. Thanks for the topic I think Ill wear my Obama tshirt today. :thumbsup:
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Well all I will say is I am going to vote for him again because I really dont care for Romney who chooses to hide his taxes and his money from Americans and decided that gutting middle class will make our lives better. Its my opinion and I love it. Thanks for the topic I think Ill wear my Obama tshirt today. :thumbsup:
Would you let a stranger search your car or your house because he wanted to? Why should Romney reveal anything more about his taxes than he is required to? He isn't hiding anything, anymore than than that blonde at that bar was last night was when I asked her to "show me them boobies" and she refused. What was she hiding I wonder?
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"Since George Romney inaugurated the practice more than 40 years ago by releasing 12 years of tax returns in his bid for the Republican Party nomination, presidential nominees have been transparent with voters about their personal finances."
You're doing your father proud there, Mitt. Keep stonewalling, you only make yourself look worse.
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Well all I will say is I am going to vote for him again because I really dont care for Romney who chooses to hide his taxes and his money from Americans and decided that gutting middle class will make our lives better. Its my opinion and I love it. Thanks for the topic I think Ill wear my Obama tshirt today. :thumbsup:
Would you let a stranger search your car or your house because he wanted to? Why should Romney reveal anything more about his taxes than he is required to? He isn't hiding anything, anymore than than that blonde at that bar was last night was when I asked her to "show me them boobies" and she refused. What was she hiding I wonder?
Really?
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Well all I will say is I am going to vote for him again because I really dont care for Romney who chooses to hide his taxes and his money from Americans and decided that gutting middle class will make our lives better. Its my opinion and I love it. Thanks for the topic I think Ill wear my Obama tshirt today. :thumbsup:
Would you let a stranger search your car or your house because he wanted to? Why should Romney reveal anything more about his taxes than he is required to? He isn't hiding anything, anymore than than that blonde at that bar was last night was when I asked her to "show me them boobies" and she refused. What was she hiding I wonder?
Really?
Well I am an uncouth bastage, if that is what you were asking.
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I think everyone needs to read our constitution. It sets forth the only reasons for impeachment and Obama has not broken any of them. The people were the ones that elected him into office. Even if the people don't like the way he is running our country we should respect the office he holds.
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I think everyone needs to read our constitution. It sets forth the only reasons for impeachment and Obama has not broken any of them. The people were the ones that elected him into office. Even if the people don't like the way he is running our country we should respect the office he holds.
Everyone? Including yourself then I take it? You either haven't read it or you do not understand the implications of Article II, section IV. Congress gets to decide what constitutes "other high crimes or misdemeanors" and thus it if fairly open ended. Certainly anyone would reasonably consider his defiance of the rule of law and his refusal to perform his duty as chief executor to carry out our laws whilst circumventing the authority of Congress and making his own laws (an authority the President does not possess) to qualify within those particulars. It is because I respect the office that I personally find him contemptible.
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I don't think Obama should be impeached. I don't think he has done anything to warrent impeachment. I do believe he should be voted out of office which would be more effective and less costly than impeachment.
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If Americans could not find or refused to find enough reasons to impeach Bush, how could there possibly be any supportive reasons to impeach Obama. I don't think there were substantial reasons to impeach Clinton either (cheating on his wife!!!!! what a dumb reason...impeachment should never have happened) I don't care what anyone says, giving the country back to the same people, with the same policies and ideology who ran everything into the ground for the middle class in the first place, is just plain stupid.
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If Americans could not find or refused to find enough reasons to impeach Bush, how could there possibly be any supportive reasons to impeach Obama. I don't think there were substantial reasons to impeach Clinton either (cheating on his wife!!!!! what a dumb reason...impeachment should never have happened) I don't care what anyone says, giving the country back to the same people, with the same policies and ideology who ran everything into the ground for the middle class in the first place, is just plain stupid.
WELL SAID!
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I concur, most definitely.
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If Americans could not find or refused to find enough reasons to impeach Bush, how could there possibly be any supportive reasons to impeach Obama. I don't think there were substantial reasons to impeach Clinton either (cheating on his wife!!!!! what a dumb reason...impeachment should never have happened) I don't care what anyone says, giving the country back to the same people, with the same policies and ideology who ran everything into the ground for the middle class in the first place, is just plain stupid.
Clinton was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice, and not for 'cheating on his wife'. Since he did perjure and obstruct justice, these were appropriate charges. What crime did Bush commit that you would impeach him for? The people that ran everything into the ground are in control of the office of the Presidency and the Senate now -- or do you so soon forget the source of our troubles?
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The people that ran everything into the ground are in control of the office of the Presidency and the Senate now -- or do you so soon forget the source of our troubles?
It's funny how republicans "forget" that both parties, (and a previous eight years of republican policies), are the source of what ran everything into the ground prior to this presidency. That's republican's for you; trashing the hotel room, leaving the mess for housekeeping and having the audacity to blame their prior mess on the next morning's housekeeper.
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There no reason should impeach Obama doing that best he can. General elections is on Nov 6, 2012. Still disapprove his job performance vote him out. Yes, Economy is declining, unemployement rate above 8 percent straight 44 month record high. has did nothing for nation just rack up our national debt above 15 Trillion
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There no reason should impeach Obama doing that best he can. General elections is on Nov 6, 2012. Still disapprove his job performance vote him out. Yes, Economy is declining, unemployement rate above 8 percent straight 44 month record high. has did nothing for nation just rack up our national debt above 15 Trillion
I am also generally against impeachments or recalls myself and think they should only be used in the most dire of circumstances.
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The people that ran everything into the ground are in control of the office of the Presidency and the Senate now -- or do you so soon forget the source of our troubles?
It's funny how republicans "forget" that both parties, (and a previous eight years of republican policies), are the source of what ran everything into the ground prior to this presidency. That's republican's for you; trashing the hotel room, leaving the mess for housekeeping and having the audacity to blame their prior mess on the next morning's housekeeper.
While there is certainly enough blame to spread around, the bulk of it lies with the liberal legislation and movements, and the bulk of that is within the Democratic party. Do I hold Republicans at fault for instances where they could block such foolishness -- of course I do, but I am hold even more accountable those that actively pushed such nonsense and that was the liberals within the Democratic party.
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While there is certainly enough blame to spread around, the bulk of it lies with the liberal legislation and movements, and the bulk of that is within the Democratic party.
Conversely, in keeping with "enough blame to spread around", my view is that members of both parties, (both congressional and presidential), are to blame for the bulk of the current situation - not predominately either party.
Do I hold Republicans at fault for instances where they could block such foolishness -- of course I do, but I am hold even more accountable those that actively pushed such nonsense and that was the liberals within the Democratic party.
Such political bias is immediately evident within that nonsensical 'opinion'. The idiotic republican policies pushed through during the eight year dark ages immediately priorto the current administration resulted in the current mess which cannot be resolved with hand-waving, nor with disparaging "executive orders" which republican presidents also engaged in.
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While there is certainly enough blame to spread around, the bulk of it lies with the liberal legislation and movements, and the bulk of that is within the Democratic party.
Conversely, in keeping with "enough blame to spread around", my view is that members of both parties, (both congressional and presidential), are to blame for the bulk of the current situation - not predominately either party.
Do I hold Republicans at fault for instances where they could block such foolishness -- of course I do, but I am hold even more accountable those that actively pushed such nonsense and that was the liberals within the Democratic party.
Such political bias is immediately evident within that nonsensical 'opinion'. The idiotic republican policies pushed through during the eight year dark ages immediately priorto the current administration resulted in the current mess which cannot be resolved with hand-waving, nor with disparaging "executive orders" which republican presidents also engaged in.
I find it interesting that you allude to fairly distributing the responsibilities, yet you only ever focus upon the Republican Party as being responsible. At least I am honest and admit that it is mostly the Liberal portion of the democratic party with some culpability from the Republicans. You, on the other hand make the mistake of pretending fairness only to consistently provide a single viewpoint and blame and thus your proclamations of fairness are betrayed by your manner and the two in combination condemn the honesty of your words.
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because the Republicans have nothing better to do then to make up things. If a Demecrate is getting the job done, there must be something wrong! Instead of helping America be strong, they look for anyway possible to get a Democrat out of office!
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At least I am honest and admit that it is mostly the Liberal portion of the democratic party with some culpability from the Republicans.
That wasn't "honesty", it was a slanted fabrication, (dishonestly depicting a political situation in which the republicans didn't 'protest enough' instead of the actual situation where the previous 8 years of republican political blunders subsequently got blamed on the deomcrats who were left with the republican mess).
You, on the other hand make the mistake of pretending fairness only to consistently provide a single viewpoint and blame and thus your proclamations of fairness are betrayed by your manner and the two in combination condemn the honesty of your words.
Bull. Members of both political parties are partly responsible. You're trying to assign more "blame" to "liberal democrats" and then whine when the larger proportion rests upon 8 prior years of bumbling republicans. This is a moot point since blame percentages would likely remain a biased determination, which is why I blame both parties.
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Actually, it would be more productive if we just voted him the hell out of office before he shoves Obabmacare down our throats and bankrupts the country more than he alreadyhas >:(
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Actually, it would be more productive if we just voted him the hell out of office before he shoves Obabmacare down our throats and bankrupts the country more than he alreadyhas >:(
If that was the case, shouldn't they put somebody up there who can do the job? MITT ROMNEY? Is he best for the country? I would have voled Republican LAST election, as HE was a GREAT man who has done alot for this country in terms of his sacrifise, but then he chose Sarah Palin! Can you have seen her as president? Me either. And thus, if were to make that choice on an important issue what would be his second stupid call? Obama for me was (at the time) the lesser of two evils! While I don't truly like Biden, he was better then Palen.
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If Americans could not find or refused to find enough reasons to impeach Bush, how could there possibly be any supportive reasons to impeach Obama. I don't think there were substantial reasons to impeach Clinton either (cheating on his wife!!!!! what a dumb reason...impeachment should never have happened) I don't care what anyone says, giving the country back to the same people, with the same policies and ideology who ran everything into the ground for the middle class in the first place, is just plain stupid.
Clinton was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice, and not for 'cheating on his wife'. Since he did perjure and obstruct justice, these were appropriate charges. What crime did Bush commit that you would impeach him for? The people that ran everything into the ground are in control of the office of the Presidency and the Senate now -- or do you so soon forget the source of our troubles?
Clinton lied to a grand jury about cheating on his wife which was a subject he should never have been questioned about by a Governmental grand jury. As for Bush, he lied to the american people to pull the US into a war that has claimed the lives of thousands.
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If Americans could not find or refused to find enough reasons to impeach Bush, how could there possibly be any supportive reasons to impeach Obama. I don't think there were substantial reasons to impeach Clinton either (cheating on his wife!!!!! what a dumb reason...impeachment should never have happened) I don't care what anyone says, giving the country back to the same people, with the same policies and ideology who ran everything into the ground for the middle class in the first place, is just plain stupid.
Clinton was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice, and not for 'cheating on his wife'. Since he did perjure and obstruct justice, these were appropriate charges. What crime did Bush commit that you would impeach him for? The people that ran everything into the ground are in control of the office of the Presidency and the Senate now -- or do you so soon forget the source of our troubles?
Clinton lied to a grand jury about cheating on his wife which was a subject he should never have been questioned about by a Governmental grand jury. As for Bush, he lied to the american people to pull the US into a war that has claimed the lives of thousands.
Clinton was questioned about it and he did lie and attempt to obstruct the investigation. Perhaps this was a witch hunt, but even if it were so he should not have broken the law under testimony. Bush did not lie, he was given the same evidence that everyone else had and evidence that was considered reliable around the world and with both political parties within the US. He requested authorization from congress to declare war and they did (unlike Obama who did not ask for US permission but instead sought authority from the UN). We knew that there were WMD's in Iraq and the only evidence to indicate that they were not there was from Hussein declaring they were already destoryed but unable to provide evidence of their destruction (No military ever destroys weaponry without documentation and a trail of paperwork authorizing such details).
If Bush lied, then so did Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Barbara Boxer, Al Gore, Joe Lieberman, John Kerry, William Cohen, Sandy Berger, Jacques Chirac, Wesley Clark, Robert Byrd, Nancy Pelosi, Madeline Albright, Bob Graham, Harold Ford, Tom Lantos, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, Ted Kennedy, etc. In fact, you have absolutely no proof that Bush lied about the WMD's and if you or any of the other "blame Bush" crybabies had, you would have presented it. Since none of you have ever presented any such evidence it can only be concluded that it is you that is lying about it.
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Oh I tire of this conversation. I ask once again, WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO BE PRESIDENT? They can and will not do ANYTHMIG right for EVERYONE. They will never make everyone happy. It is a hard job and BASICALLY you have to be almost perfect!
WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT THIS?
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Oh I tire of this conversation. I ask once again, WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO BE PRESIDENT? They can and will not do ANYTHMIG right for EVERYONE. They will never make everyone happy. It is a hard job and BASICALLY you have to be almost perfect!
WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT THIS?
Will Rogers may have said it best with "We should never elect anybody President that wants the job".
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because he is not a american?
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because he is not a american?
You have evidence to support your accusation or, just being a parroting republican bobble-head?
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because he has done nothing for our country but run us into debt
Unless I am mistaken, it was something that HAD to be done so as not to foreclose our entire nation at the time. Am I better off today then I was 4 years ago? Judging from what he was given, I think it is going OK. Fact is, nobody will EVER be happy. If the Republicans had gotten in, we as a nation would have been in the same predicament. I think he has done the best that he can under the circumstances.
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I have to agree with you. He has done the best he could with what he's had to work with. Most of the economic problems in this country we can all thank George W. for. I really hate to think what will happen if Mitt Romney gets elected.
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because he has done nothing for our country but run us into debt
Unless I am mistaken, it was something that HAD to be done so as not to foreclose our entire nation at the time. Am I better off today then I was 4 years ago? Judging from what he was given, I think it is going OK. Fact is, nobody will EVER be happy. If the Republicans had gotten in, we as a nation would have been in the same predicament. I think he has done the best that he can under the circumstances.
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I have to agree with you. He has done the best he could with what he's had to work with. Most of the economic problems in this country we can all thank George W. for. I really hate to think what will happen if Mitt Romney gets elected.
Perhaps you don't hold your employees to the same standards as me. If I hire someone for a job and they not only make it worse but consistently blame anyone else for their own failures and ineptitude I would never declare "he has done the best he could". It is simple, he is unfit for the task at hand and should be replaced. That he was ever hired without being vetted all the while displaying a complete lack of any qualifications is on us.
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Perhaps you don't hold your employees to the same standards as me. If I hire someone for a job and they not only make it worse but consistently blame anyone else for their own failures and ineptitude I would never declare "he has done the best he could".
Perhaps you regularly support the omission of facts in revisionist attempts to dodge responsibility however, the eight previous years of republican ineptitude are a valid basis of responsibility for it. Conversely, blaming the next guy for being unable to 'fix' what the previous unqualified nit botched up is disingenuously shifting the blame, (not strictly a republican practice but, a common political one).
That he was ever hired without being vetted all the while displaying a complete lack of any qualifications is on us.
Just as Bush Jr. was "elected", though "without being vetted all the while displaying a complete lack of any qualifications" for the job. Did he do the best he could or, the worst he could mismanage to do?
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Perhaps you don't hold your employees to the same standards as me. If I hire someone for a job and they not only make it worse but consistently blame anyone else for their own failures and ineptitude I would never declare "he has done the best he could".
Perhaps you regularly support the omission of facts in revisionist attempts to dodge responsibility however, the eight previous years of republican ineptitude are a valid basis of responsibility for it. Conversely, blaming the next guy for being unable to 'fix' what the previous unqualified nit botched up is disingenuously shifting the blame, (not strictly a republican practice but, a common political one).
And what did Bush botch up exactly. I hear this claim often but nobody ever seems to put any facts to the claim. The war, while costly, was declared by Congress and there would have always been troops costs even if not engaged in combat (albeit not as much). Republicans repeatedly tried to bring attention to the troubles with the housing bubble and the problems with Freddie and Fannie but they were repeatedly reassured by the Democrats controlling those entities that "all was fine". I can provide ample video of Democrats claiming and even encouraging more of such recklessness if required. What can you provide?
Even if there was blame to the previous administration, Obama was hired to fix the problems. He has only exacerbated an already bad situation and created even more uncertainty, more obligations, more debt, and failed to ever address any of the problems at the core. If you hire a plumber and all he does is break light bulbs and run electrical wiring would you keep him on and declare that he couldn't fix the previous plumbers mistakes? Well, you probably would as you don't seem to have the capability to focus in on what the problems actually are. I would fire him as quickly as I could and obtain someone qualified to do the repairs. I would certainly not make excuses for anyone that consistently fails me and I would never get on my knees and blow as you seem to be prone to.
That he was ever hired without being vetted all the while displaying a complete lack of any qualifications is on us.
Just as Bush Jr. was "elected", though "without being vetted all the while displaying a complete lack of any qualifications" for the job. Did he do the best he could or, the worst he could mismanage to do?
Bush was vetted fairly thoroughly. He possessed experience governing and this was the core of the requirements for the job. Where you were then or what revisionist history you are reading I cannot imagine. I found Bush did very well to my liking until about the last 6 months were he did the initial Tarp funding. He should have let those failing entities follow their own descents into the pits they dug. In fact most Americans felt this way about bush as consistent polling data is still available to show when his approval ratings dropped. As typical of you it seems you see things with a very skewed and dishonest view of what history tells us.
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And what did Bush botch up exactly.
His presidential responsibilities did not include helping his wealthy oil campaign contributors which helped make a shakey economy worse and botching any specious attempts to 'improve' everyone else's economic conditions.
I found Bush did very well to my liking until about the last 6 months were he did the initial Tarp funding. He should have let those failing entities follow their own descents into the pits they dug.
Tarp? What about the bank bailouts of 2008? Was that shafting of the U.S. economy overseen by the Bush adminstration or, the banks themselves on cahoots with republicans?
As typical of you it seems you see things with a very skewed and dishonest view of what history tells us.
Back at ya, fascist republican hypocrit.
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I have been out of full time work for 4 years now, Mr. Romney fixed our company and now we are all out of work. Because most people had been there for a long time, and are a little older (50's) we are told we earn to much they can hire 2 people for what we want. So almost all that I keep in touch with are still underemployed if they were lucky enough to find a job. But that company made a lot of money for a few stock holders until it was ran it into the ground. It was outsourced to Canada.
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And what did Bush botch up exactly.
His presidential responsibilities did not include helping his wealthy oil campaign contributors which helped make a shakey economy worse and botching any specious attempts to 'improve' everyone else's economic conditions.
I found Bush did very well to my liking until about the last 6 months were he did the initial Tarp funding. He should have let those failing entities follow their own descents into the pits they dug.
Tarp? What about the bank bailouts of 2008? Was that shafting of the U.S. economy overseen by the Bush adminstration or, the banks themselves on cahoots with republicans?
As typical of you it seems you see things with a very skewed and dishonest view of what history tells us.
Back at ya, fascist republican hypocrit.
Just as I knew, you had no proof for your claims. In fact you have never proven any of your claims and always failed to meet my challenge. You have become way too easy to deal with as I now correctly assume that any claims you make are unsupported and simply fabrications of your fanatical ideology. You scarcely warrant any consideration at all anymore and hopefully others will notice my example of just how easy it is to put in check your pathetic attempts to buffalo. I had hopes that you would be worthy of debate originally, but sadly you are most insufficient for the task and lack any depth or reasoning.
The bank bailouts were Tarp, and you would know this if you knew what you were talking about. Don't forget that the bill was initiated in the Senate (yes the Senate) by a Democratic controlled congress (funny how liberals and crazies forget that). I don't forgive Bush for signing the bill into law and I think he should have vetoed it but he went along and compromised with the Democrats.
Fascist? I am no liberal so that certainly isn't me but I would have expected more derogatory statements from you.
Republican? I am not registered as a Republican and I consider myself to be more of a libertarian.
Hypocrit? I am not sure what that is, is it yet another thing you have made up or did you mean Hypocrite? Surely I don't have to interpret your spelling along with your idiotic and prejudicial and hate filled ramblings as well? If you did mean hypocrite, I challenge you to show one iota of evidence supporting your claim. I am not even bothered enough to look and see if there is anything that could be construed as this simply because I know you only made the claim without supporting evidence, and even with me providing this resolute statement I would be that you can provide nothing at all.
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Just as I knew, you had no proof for your claims.
What, specific claim was that? No, not your fabricated crap which you so often try to falsely attribute to me - quote something in context for once. Yes, I'd made a general assertion because listing the evidence as individual cites would be more time-consuming than refuting your speciously-illogical rationalizations has taken. You're so used to attributing your revisionist fabrications to others that it can be speculated that your religious delusions are extending beyond that paradigm of blind faith into blind "libertarian-republicanism".
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Just as I knew, you had no proof for your claims.
What, specific claim was that? No, not your fabricated crap which you so often try to falsely attribute to me - quote something in context for once. Yes, I'd made a general assertion because listing the evidence as individual cites would be more time-consuming than refuting your speciously-illogical rationalizations has taken. You're so used to attributing your revisionist fabrications to others that it can be speculated that your religious delusions are extending beyond that paradigm of blind faith into blind "libertarian-republicanism".
It was the claim you made, and if you cannot recall such a recent event or perform the mandatory effort of revisiting your own statements then you surely cannot expect me to perform the task for you. I suspect that you don't want to do this because you know I am waiting for you to do it, and you are very familiar with just how efficiently I can dismantle your trifling and poorly thought out claims. You have never refuted anything I have said, you have only ever claimed to have refuted my words and any that have followed would immediately realize any evidence of you actually performing the task of refutation was obviously missing. I don't know if you are as lazy to debate as you appear, or if you are simply used to people falling for such a gambit -- but it doesn't work on me as I actually expect supporting statements to be made and not simply claims of them existing to be made. That you end your post with an ad hominem fallacy does not surprise me as you never could withstand the force of my logic against your desperate and prejudicial rhetoric. What does surprise me is that you continue your poor efforts against me and that you have never realized just how irrationally and fallaciously you argue and that such is why I so easily dismiss your weak words.
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You have never refuted anything I have said, you have only ever claimed to have refuted my words ...
What a non-coincidence; this is precisely your invalid claim, (which has been refuted). This means that you've lied and been shown to have lied.
I actually expect supporting statements to be made and not simply claims of them existing to be made.
So do I, not the fabricated lies you produce in lieu of supporting evidence/lines of reasoning. Your unreasoned, unsupported claims are not evidence circularly supporting your claims, they are evidence that you haven't done so, (since your circular arguments are self-invalidating).
Given your lies, fabrications falsely attributed to me and general inability to reason logically, I suggest you employ the ignore function. If this option is not appealing to you, expect derision under the "golden rule".
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OBAMA IS GOOD
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You have never refuted anything I have said, you have only ever claimed to have refuted my words ...
What a non-coincidence; this is precisely your invalid claim, (which has been refuted). This means that you've lied and been shown to have lied.
I actually expect supporting statements to be made and not simply claims of them existing to be made.
So do I, not the fabricated lies you produce in lieu of supporting evidence/lines of reasoning. Your unreasoned, unsupported claims are not evidence circularly supporting your claims, they are evidence that you haven't done so, (since your circular arguments are self-invalidating).
Given your lies, fabrications falsely attributed to me and general inability to reason logically, I suggest you employ the ignore function. If this option is not appealing to you, expect derision under the "golden rule".
I have easily bested you on any of these challenges, and that includes the challenges I made to you as well as the ones you made to me. Never have you demonstrated me telling a lie but always have I shown your lies. I don't know why you would continue upon such a course, knowing your previous repeated defeats. There can only be one likely reason and that is due to insanity, and is reflected in the quote attributed to Einstein "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
I have no desire to make use of any ignore function, although I know it is your vast hope that I do. That is because, boy, your words are feeble and twisted as an old woman. We both know this as do most of the other readers. You have no credibility with me and you warrant no respect and I am not one of those simple lots that seems to so oft agree with you. It is too easy to expose your lies and to counter your attempts to bully and buffalo and I do enjoy watching you try to squirm as you are challenged.
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It shouldn't be about any of this. He is our President; Voted in by US. He is doing a decent job with everything that is here. Who cares if he is Republican, Brown, yellow, a Democrat, Purple, has one leg, where he was born or is a bad dancer?
HE IS OUR PRESIDENT AND HE IS AN AMERICAN!!!!!
I am so tired of this! 4 years now! Let it go!
thank you !!!! very well said, who care what his nationality is he is our president like or not.....Have you notice when he is addressed they call Mr. Obama, but they still Bill Clinton, President Clinton and he has not been president for years now. Also people have to take into account he is trying to clean up what took years to do. No matter who the president is, it will still take a while to clean up the mess that Bush created.
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I have easily bested you on any of these challenges ...
Only in your self-delusions, never in reality. These fabricated lies you produce in lieu of supporting evidence/lines of reasoning do not sonstitute "besting" anyone. Your unreasoned, unsupported claims are not evidence circularly supporting your claims, they are evidence that you haven't done so, (since your circular arguments are self-invalidating).
Never have you demonstrated me telling a lie ...
On the contrary, the previous instances of quoting your lies, in your own words, demonstrate that you're either a compulsive or pathological liar, (perhaps both). Given your lies, fabrications falsely attributed to me and general inability to reason logically, expect derision under the "golden rule", (e.g., I'm under no obligation to "respect" a liar such as you).
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The devil will always spit out words of rebuttal. He never lets up on you because he always think he needs the last word.
I think Obama is doing a good job.
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The devil will always spit out words of rebuttal. He never lets up on you because he always think he needs the last word.
Your assumptions are based upon an unsupported and therefore, false, premise. Unless your own attempts to get "the last word" are the feeble ones of someone who claimed to use the ignore function but, remains unable to ignore is implying that she's the "devil".
I think Obama is doing a good job.
No, he's doing a mediorce job trying to undo the mess created by both republicans and democrats. This would be a difficult task for a president of either party.
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I have easily bested you on any of these challenges ...
Only in your self-delusions, never in reality. These fabricated lies you produce in lieu of supporting evidence/lines of reasoning do not sonstitute "besting" anyone. Your unreasoned, unsupported claims are not evidence circularly supporting your claims, they are evidence that you haven't done so, (since your circular arguments are self-invalidating).
Never have you demonstrated me telling a lie ...
On the contrary, the previous instances of quoting your lies, in your own words, demonstrate that you're either a compulsive or pathological liar, (perhaps both). Given your lies, fabrications falsely attributed to me and general inability to reason logically, expect derision under the "golden rule", (e.g., I'm under no obligation to "respect" a liar such as you).
I have not fabricated anything. I have shown your exact words and your contradictions. I have shown your challenges and promises and your failure to uphold them after you were easily shown to be lying. I have done this on multiple occasions, too, and it was quite an easy thing to do considering your propensity for dishonesty.
You have never even attempted to produce any evidence of any supposed lie of mine. You have not quoted anything and presented it as if it were a lie of mine. You haven't even done those simple things because you are incapable of finding anything that would even remotely qualify to even one holding such a distorted and fanatical ideology as yourself. This is one of the main things that you love to do, and that is to accuse someone of something without providing one shred of evidence, and then later cite your accusation as if it were evidence of some offense. I have called you on this so many times that I forget the count, but it is all you seem capable of mustering and it is most inferior to the task of taking on me. You are so blind as to be completely incapable of noticing this absence and yet you accuse people daily of being blind. That makes you the ultimate hypocrite (or as you might say a hypocrit).
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... who care what his nationality is he is our president like or not ...
Everyone should care what his nationality is, did you seriously mean that or did you mean something else?
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I have not fabricated anything.
On the contrary, the previous instances of quoting your lies, in your own words, demonstrate that you're either a compulsive or pathological liar, (perhaps both). Given your lies, fabrications falsely attributed to me and general inability to reason logically, expect derision under the "golden rule", (e.g., I'm under no obligation to "respect" a liar such as you). Your contention that you haven't fabricated the multiple fabrications archived here is a lie.
You have never even attempted to produce any evidence of any supposed lie of mine. You have not quoted anything and presented it as if it were a lie of mine.
That's another of your compulsive lies. Evidence, (in the form of quoting your lies), has been posted. You simply deny your own lies; thus constituting more lies. You may be a pathological liar, a compulsive liar or both.
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I have not fabricated anything.
On the contrary, the previous instances of quoting your lies, in your own words, demonstrate that you're either a compulsive or pathological liar, (perhaps both). Given your lies, fabrications falsely attributed to me and general inability to reason logically, expect derision under the "golden rule", (e.g., I'm under no obligation to "respect" a liar such as you). Your contention that you haven't fabricated the multiple fabrications archived here is a lie.
You have never even attempted to produce any evidence of any supposed lie of mine. You have not quoted anything and presented it as if it were a lie of mine.
That's another of your compulsive lies. Evidence, (in the form of quoting your lies), has been posted. You simply deny your own lies; thus constituting more lies. You may be a pathological liar, a compulsive liar or both.
While I suppose I should take it as flattery that you attempt to mimic my words, you have forgotten the most important thing about my prior posts (that you have partially copied the approach of), and that was that I presented evidence where you never have.
You have finally at least tried to present words of mine as a lie with "That's another of your compulsive lies.", and so I suppose it shows improvement on your part -- pretty soon you may even achieve remedial level skills. Considering that your accusation is entirely unsupported, whereas it should be an easy thing to do had it had even the slightest bit of honesty on your part, one can only conclude that it is another of your fabricated lies. It is evident why you do not trust anything though, as how could one such as yourself have trust or faith when you are inherently dishonest at your core.
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Obama leans more toward the communist side that being democratic. This country was founded on value set forth of our fore fathers. Obama doesnt understand the constitution there fore he is trying to change it. The sooner he is out of office the better it will be.
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Obama leans more toward the communist side that being democratic. This country was founded on value set forth of our fore fathers. Obama doesnt understand the constitution there fore he is trying to change it. The sooner he is out of office the better it will be.
Just like the white man who refuse to think anybody matters but his own kind.
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Just like the white man who refuse to think anybody matters but his own kind.
Apparently you're a racist in addition to being a mind-blinded religious fundie. That's a combination which would qualify you for Klan membership, were your skin tone other than it appears.