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Title: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: sgluckadoo on August 01, 2012, 08:22:14 pm
I think there should be a system for forum members to remove jerks from here.
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: ssmsurvey on August 01, 2012, 08:24:38 pm
I agree that there are some people that only ever seem to make negative comments about other people, however, defining 'jerk' may be too relative. Good idea though.
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: sgluckadoo on August 01, 2012, 08:31:28 pm
I agree that there are some people that only ever seem to make negative comments about other people, however, defining 'jerk' may be too relative. Good idea though.

It is too general, but I thought the idea could spread and we could work on a definition,  ;D
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: falcon9 on August 01, 2012, 08:49:33 pm
I think there should be a system for forum members to remove jerks from here.

You could simply remove yourself from the forums, (instead of making passive-aggressive threads), or use the "ignore" function provided by FC.  Such indirect 'calling-out' threads are inappropriate to the Suggestions forum.  Anyone who refutes you is not a "jerk" except to your ego.
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: sigmapi1501 on August 01, 2012, 08:52:56 pm
I AGREE!  Anyone who thinks that we should all live our lives based on a book that was written thousands of years ago and edited and translated and re-translated countless times should be outta here!  Right on!
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: falcon9 on August 01, 2012, 08:55:48 pm
I AGREE!  Anyone who thinks that we should all live our lives based on a book that was written thousands of years ago and edited and translated and re-translated countless times should be outta here!  Right on!

Heh.  Either that or, anyone who suggests that others who disagree with them being designated as "jerks" and removed from the FC forums ought to be designated as a "jerk" and removed from the FC forums?
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: teerz on August 02, 2012, 07:49:36 am
There are rules in posting on the forums, if you violate those rules and if members notice and flag it to support most likely you will be banned from the forum, or if Kohler sees it. Other then that another opinion or criticism if not vulgar should not get to anyone! Not everyone has the the same thoughts,views, or taste on everything! This is called life!
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: acurtsinger2 on August 02, 2012, 08:04:32 am
we have a right to express   our thoughts on here as long as we are bot being vulgar, or hateful.  somethings i agree with and some things i do not, but all of us have unique veiws and exceptions of what goes on around us
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: Administrator on August 02, 2012, 08:16:58 am
Just think of the "ignore" button as the "jerk" button.  If you don't want to hear from someone, click it and you will never see their posts again.  You are in control.  Don't waste your time reading someone's posts if you don't want to.  It's really that simple!

We only remove members who are violating the rules.  Having and expressing an opinion is certainly within the rules as long as it's not hateful or discriminatory. You don't have a right to not be offended, especially since the 'ignore' button is so easy and present on every post.
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: mrsbluesmith on August 02, 2012, 08:21:59 am
What a concept.  Don't buy into other peoples stuff.  There will always be naysayers.  Just ignore them.  :peace:
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: kay7 on August 02, 2012, 10:33:48 am
You learn something every day - I never noticed that little ignore button  :BangHead:  Nice to know now  ;)
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: rufus50 on August 02, 2012, 10:41:41 am
How many jerks actually on here?
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: InfuseMe1 on August 02, 2012, 11:11:13 am
...all the apples in a barrel are never good - only most
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: patti4me on August 02, 2012, 11:48:47 am
I have noticed there are a few ppl on FC that think they are by far more intelligent than most but I just skip over their posts.  Might use that ignore button now that I know its there. 
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: duroz on August 03, 2012, 12:15:36 am
I think there should be a system for forum members to remove jerks from here.

REALLY?? You started this post.......as a SERIOUS suggestion or idea?  Honestly.....
I can't believe it. (Well I can, but....)

And exactly who decides WHO is the "jerk"?? A "jerk" to you may not be a "jerk" to someone else

If THAT is a good idea, then petitions should be started to remove all the posts:
* posted in the WRONG BOARD
* posted by those who have no concept or grasp of, or are unable to properly use, the English language
* that have over 50% of the words misspelled
* that are really STUPID and meaningless
(and the people posting these should be REMOVED then, also)

The list of "I want these posts/posters removed" would never end, as posts that annoy one DON'T annoy another, and vice versa. 
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: junis57601 on August 03, 2012, 01:25:26 am
I think there should be a system for forum members to remove jerks from here.

You could simply remove yourself from the forums, (instead of making passive-aggressive threads), or use the "ignore" function provided by FC.  Such indirect 'calling-out' threads are inappropriate to the Suggestions forum.  Anyone who refutes you is not a "jerk" except to your ego.

what?
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: falcon9 on August 03, 2012, 01:27:10 am
I think there should be a system for forum members to remove jerks from here.

You could simply remove yourself from the forums, (instead of making passive-aggressive threads), or use the "ignore" function provided by FC.  Such indirect 'calling-out' threads are inappropriate to the Suggestions forum.  Anyone who refutes you is not a "jerk" except to your ego.

what?

The "ignore" button is your friend.  Embrace it as any ostrich would.
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: junis57601 on August 03, 2012, 01:31:28 am
Ok, I guess it takes an ostrich to know one
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: falcon9 on August 03, 2012, 01:39:40 am
Ok, I guess it takes an ostrich to know one

Not really; zoo keepers know ostriches, for instance.
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: junis57601 on August 03, 2012, 01:50:34 am
so who in the heck are you?
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: Stealth3si on August 03, 2012, 01:52:12 am
Jerks? Go to YT. Youll see jerks there.
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: duroz on August 03, 2012, 02:00:56 am
so who in the heck are you?

what?
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: TOMAS7 on August 03, 2012, 02:26:15 am
An interesting idea but much like the rest of life, there would almost always be replacements, or those who would just never give up. Thanks Admin, for pointing out the ignore button it may come in handy once in a while, except if there is another Tag game but that would be OK to miss out on if someone you had ignored chose to play, some of those participants could also not help themselves from posting comments as well. You have the patience of a saint.
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: Jessefu89 on August 03, 2012, 07:56:47 am
the book that you are referring to hopefully it is not the bible, It tells you how to treat people like you would yourself, it tells you how you can live with others humans without being mean to each other and it also tells you if you choose to be a mean person what will happen to you. the bible don't hurt anyone, we hurt ourselves.
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: jljaxn1982 on August 03, 2012, 08:04:47 am
Ok, I guess it takes an ostrich to know one


This gave me a good laugh, I rarely look at anything but the offers section but the 'bickering' on a site where you are, uh here to earn money?? I needed a good chuckle!
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: kcoleman2 on August 03, 2012, 08:18:52 am
What ever happened to RESPECT?! Everyone has a right to express their own opinion and yes we can ignore it. Sometimes thats what you have do. If we would think before we speak and post alot of this would not be an issue. But most importantly if we would think respect first, things would not get out of hand. Just my opinion!
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: Administrator on August 03, 2012, 08:28:20 am
What ever happened to RESPECT?! Everyone has a right to express their own opinion and yes we can ignore it. Sometimes thats what you have do. If we would think before we speak and post alot of this would not be an issue. But most importantly if we would think respect first, things would not get out of hand. Just my opinion!
At the risk of getting on the atheists' bad side... AMEN TO THAT!
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: batmobile on August 03, 2012, 09:11:35 am
What ever happened to RESPECT?! Everyone has a right to express their own opinion and yes we can ignore it. Sometimes thats what you have do. If we would think before we speak and post alot of this would not be an issue. But most importantly if we would think respect first, things would not get out of hand. Just my opinion!
omg this is worse than utube comments ha ha lol lol lol
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: springsgardner on August 03, 2012, 11:25:10 am
It would be great if all jerks could be removed. However, there are some key things to remember since there will always be people who post things that seem less than friendly when they aren't having a great day and/or regularly post undesirable content:


Since most of us don't know each other in real life, is it worth getting upset or offended? I don't think so. Use that energy somewhere more productive- like making positive  contributions in the forum to get your FREE $3 each month. Even better, donate your time to helping the helpless in your community.
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: oldbuddy on August 03, 2012, 01:43:23 pm
How many jerks actually on here?

Actually there are only 2 or 3, they just get around a lot.
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: falcon9 on August 03, 2012, 01:46:17 pm
How many jerks actually on here?

Actually there are only 2 or 3, they just get around a lot.

Actually, that depends upon who is considered one by other "jerks" - there could be dozens if the criteria is subjectively-random, (or simply based upon biased 'opinion').
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: yosav on August 03, 2012, 01:50:17 pm
there wont be anyone left  ;D
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: duroz on August 03, 2012, 02:18:43 pm
Actually, that depends upon who is considered one by other "jerks" - there could be dozens if the criteria is subjectively-random, (or simply based upon biased 'opinion').

Excuse me....I think I said that already - :P
And exactly who decides WHO is the "jerk"?? A "jerk" to you may not be a "jerk" to someone else 

there wont be anyone left  ;D

Now THAT'S pretty funny! lmao!!
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: AMBERTAYLOR31 on August 03, 2012, 03:01:50 pm
i just now happened to read what everyone has been saying on here, and it all sounds like a waste of time and a dumb conversation starter.  but i figured i would give my opinion real quick as it seem like everyone else is.  there are a few jerks on here.  i have across them personally.  but for the most part, everyone on here is really helpful and nice.  just ignore the jerks, for one thing.  they want the attention and they want everyone to get their panties all in a wad.  that's probably what they live for.  ignore them and have real conversation with a decent human being.  the jerks will have what's coming to them, eventually.  just tell them that they are  :bs: and keep it moving.  don't waste your time on idiots!!  
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: TOMAS7 on August 04, 2012, 12:13:17 am
It is true that most people that are miserable are not satisfied unless everyone else around them is equally miserable. Keeping out of the fray and ignoring them is really the only way to deal with them if you keep feeding the fire they will keep stirring the pot.
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: falcon9 on August 04, 2012, 12:18:56 am
It is true that most people that are miserable are not satisfied unless everyone else around them is equally miserable. Keeping out of the fray and ignoring them is really the only way to deal with them if you keep feeding the fire they will keep stirring the pot.

That's a somewhat sanctimonious and "jerky" opinion.
 :o
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: ajami on August 04, 2012, 12:29:49 am
Everyone has a right to an opinion.  You do not have  to read it if you don't want, you choose to read it.  There is an ignore feature button on here and it works wonders.  Why argue with people.  It is total waste of time, energy and ink, lol. 
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: sherryinutah on August 04, 2012, 02:10:19 am
Some people like to "push buttons" because they need to get a reaction out of others so they won't get bored.

I believe the trick is to refuse to be offended, even if someone is intentionally trying to offend you.

I also agree with ajami.  Everyone is entitled to their point of view whether we like it or not.
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: brum7814 on August 04, 2012, 04:04:49 am
System is called the ignore button.  Everyone knows that an anonymous platform for people to speak on (or in this case type on) turns them into a raging Tasmanian devil. Never the less, no matter how upsetting someone is, you can't tell people what to do.  This is FC operated site, and we're all guests here.  You can't control what other people do, it's part of being an adult.  Just ignore them if they're annoying. =-P
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: drkvizard on August 04, 2012, 06:27:41 am
It is true that most people that are miserable are not satisfied unless everyone else around them is equally miserable. Keeping out of the fray and ignoring them is really the only way to deal with them if you keep feeding the fire they will keep stirring the pot.

That's a somewhat sanctimonious and "jerky" opinion.
 :o
"sanctimonious" There's one that's rarely used. Did you have to read the dictionary a lot as a child falcon? hehe
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: cateyes1 on August 04, 2012, 06:49:56 am
I'm glad i'm not the only one, enough said  :wave:
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: davidf938 on August 04, 2012, 07:51:49 am
Who gets to decide who is a jerk and who just has an opinion different from your own? Big Brother? Racial slurs, profanity, and personal attacks should not be allowed, but we do have freedom of speech in America.
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: Administrator on August 04, 2012, 07:55:15 am
Who gets to decide who is a jerk and who just has an opinion different from your own? Big Brother? Racial slurs, profanity, and personal attacks should not be allowed, but we do have freedom of speech in America.
While I don't dispute first amendment rights, bear in mind that you have none on a privately operated forum like this one.
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: dmahoney on August 04, 2012, 08:03:12 am
Where can I sign your petition?  :wave:
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: SherylsShado on August 04, 2012, 09:50:23 am
(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7020/56392142409676096716013.jpg)
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: lmavans on August 04, 2012, 01:00:13 pm
you dont have to listen to anyones crap. just ignore them, not enough ttime in the day to put up with that!!!
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: falcon9 on August 04, 2012, 01:02:18 pm
While I don't dispute first amendment rights, bear in mind that you have none on a privately operated forum like this one.

I'm glad you raised that point as forum participation is voluntary and follows FC guidelines, (which may not coincide with some of the 'guidelines' of its members).
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: workmama on August 04, 2012, 01:17:57 pm
Remember to never feed the trolls...... :angel12:
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: debidoo on August 04, 2012, 01:23:49 pm
 ;D I just hide the posts of one particular FC member and that way I don't have to deal with it.  I have only been bothered by one person and since I blocked their info all I ever see is that there is a blank post from "hidden user".  Makes my day much more enjoyable.  I don't know why some people have to be total jerks but there is at least one in every group. It would give me  total and complete satisfaction though if they know I blocked them.  :wave: And David u r right maybe everyone has the right to spout what they want but the rest of the world should have the right not to have to hear it.
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: falcon9 on August 04, 2012, 01:27:54 pm
If you are ignoring an FC member, why even mention that, (which would constitute not ignoring, in a passive-aggressive manner of talking about the one being ignored, even if unnamed)?  One could consider such santimonious non-ignoring ignoring comments to be posted by one particularly ignorant "jerk".

;D I just hide the posts of one particular FC member and that way I don't have to deal with it.  I have only been bothered by one person and since I blocked their info all I ever see is that there is a blank post from "hidden user".  Makes my day much more enjoyable.  I don't know why some people have to be total jerks but there is at least one in every group. It would give me  total and complete satisfaction though if they know I blocked them.  :wave: And David u r right maybe everyone has the right to spout what they want but the rest of the world should have the right not to have to hear it.
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: falcon9 on August 04, 2012, 01:41:52 pm
Remember to never feed the trolls...... :angel12:

As with "jerk", "troll" is in the subjective eye of the beholder.  For instance, posting about not 'feeding trolls' could be considered as 'trolling' itself.
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: darrell1960 on August 04, 2012, 02:02:28 pm
ignore them
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: ptfunds on August 09, 2012, 03:00:13 pm
Reading this post turned out to be a wonderful experience.  First I laughed when I read the subject line.  A good thing.  Second, I learned about the "ignore button" - a really good thing!  I have noticed over the course of my participation in the forums that there are some members that just simply like to argue, are demeaning in their approach to others, and state way too many opinions as if they are facts. I love this "ignore button".  I can now just simply save myself the unpleasant experience of reading one of their replies by accident and having it affect my experience in the forum.  Gone forever - so cool! So thanks for your topic. I now have a valuable tool to keep my experience here as happy and fun as possible!
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: ruevouge on August 09, 2012, 03:05:29 pm
"Ignore" button is always a good thing and many sites have them.
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: falcon9 on August 09, 2012, 03:16:41 pm
Reading this post turned out to be a wonderful experience.  First I laughed when I read the subject line.  A good thing.  Second, I learned about the "ignore button" - a really good thing!  I have noticed over the course of my participation in the forums that there are some members that just simply like to argue, are demeaning in their approach to others, and state way too many opinions as if they are facts. I love this "ignore button".  I can now just simply save myself the unpleasant experience of reading one of their replies by accident and having it affect my experience in the forum.  Gone forever - so cool! So thanks for your topic. I now have a valuable tool to keep my experience here as happy and fun as possible!

The ignore button is recommended for those who prefer to make unfounded declarations and do not prefer to have them refuted.  These refutations are not, however, "gone forever" when the ignore function is used; they are simply removed from the view of that user.  The "ignored" posts remain on the forums, (this is emphasized in order to clarify the point that an 'ignorer' is not removing ignored posts, they are simply blinding themselves to them).
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: clickers on August 09, 2012, 03:34:41 pm
The administrator said a mouthful & he/she is entirely correct!!
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: jzmom on August 09, 2012, 04:01:05 pm
So glad I found the ignore button.   I got so sick of the negative opinion of one unhappy poster!  No one is going to bring me down!!   :D
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: JediJohnnie on August 09, 2012, 04:17:31 pm
I wonder who is the most ignored member on the forum? Does anyone know just who this person could be? ;D
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: falcon9 on August 09, 2012, 05:11:09 pm
I wonder who is the most ignored member on the forum? Does anyone know just who this person could be? ;D

My guess is that the FC member who claims to ignore the most-ignored FC member by not ignoring them is the most ignorant member of the forums.
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: vp44 on August 09, 2012, 06:21:18 pm
I just clicked that ignore button hahaha.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: falcon9 on August 09, 2012, 11:12:01 pm
I just clicked that ignore button hahaha.  :thumbsup:

Good; that type of self-blinding goes hand-in-hand with your blind faith.


"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason."
-- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1758
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: TOMAS7 on August 10, 2012, 12:42:23 am
I am totally loving the ignore button, it is better than the like button on a popular social media website. Now like many others, I am not bogged down with stuff that either does not relate or is just there to stir up emotions. Thanks Admin for a workable solution. Posters can still post and express themselves and readers have the choice to read all posts or only certain ones and I would hope less arguments and possible hurt feelings seems like a win win win all the way around.
Title: Re: Petition to remove Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: duroz on August 10, 2012, 01:48:09 am
I wonder who is the most ignored member on the forum? Does anyone know just who this person could be? ;D

My guess is that the FC member who claims to ignore the most-ignored FC member by not ignoring them is the most ignorant member of the forums.

   (http://i.imgur.com/4HYbV.jpg)

 (http://i.imgur.com/qY1kS.jpg)
Title: Re: Petition to remove Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: falcon9 on August 10, 2012, 01:53:12 am
I wonder who is the most ignored member on the forum? Does anyone know just who this person could be? ;D

My guess is that the FC member who claims to ignore the most-ignored FC member by not ignoring them is the most ignorant member of the forums.


   (http://i.imgur.com/4HYbV.jpg)

 (http://i.imgur.com/qY1kS.jpg)

Hey, D:
(http://i46.tinypic.com/24zhhcw.jpg)
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: duroz on August 10, 2012, 01:54:58 am
My guess is that the FC member who claims to ignore the most-ignored FC member by not ignoring them is the most ignorant member of the forums.

(http://i.imgur.com/a8ZWz.jpg)
Title: Re: Petition to remove Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: duroz on August 10, 2012, 01:56:17 am
Hey, D:
(http://i46.tinypic.com/24zhhcw.jpg)

Gotcha.....but I must feed YOWLING felines....

BRB
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: vp44 on August 12, 2012, 01:28:44 am
Do not harrass one with your repetitive comments just because you dont feel the same or think that way. Hmm what a good add that would be to the rules. Have a great post day all and remember to smile and laugh when you can cause to me it makes me feel good and have good energy. :wave: :thumbsup: 8)
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: falcon9 on August 12, 2012, 01:30:58 am
Do not harrass one with your repetitive comments just because you dont feel the same or think that way. 

So that would include harassing others with repetitive requotings of 'bible verses' too.  Not as oppressive when it works both ways, is it?
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: skrogman on August 12, 2012, 03:41:19 am
No, harassment by definition is interpretive.  Feel free to post all the uplifting Bible verses you want.  The forum is not exclusive and it is perfectly welcomed to find that which starts a day out well such as a thought-provoking passage or sharing of a new offer finding or whatever ya feel like sharing.   :D
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: Onlinedou2 on August 12, 2012, 05:56:06 am
This is pointless, their are jerks on all types of forums  this is the internet after all ::)
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: falcon9 on August 12, 2012, 08:53:05 am
No, harassment by definition is interpretive.  Feel free to post all the uplifting Bible verses you want.  The forum is not exclusive and it is perfectly welcomed to find that which starts a day out well such as a thought-provoking passage or sharing of a new offer finding or whatever ya feel like sharing.   :D

Just as these forums are not exclusive xtian country clubs, posts opposing mind-numbing babbling verses can be posted in opposition to religious proselytizing.

"Properly read, the bible is the most potent force for Atheism ever conceived."
-- Isaac Asimov
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: skrogman on August 12, 2012, 10:40:49 am
"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life." - - John 3:16 
Speaks for itself.
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: falcon9 on August 12, 2012, 10:46:15 am
John 3:16 
(http://i48.tinypic.com/fulxkk.jpg)
Speaks for itself.
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: visvern on August 12, 2012, 11:31:48 am
 :wave: i think if a person is truly out of line there could be a monitor to report to. one warning, 2nd time 30 day suspension, 3rd offfense banned from forum.
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: falcon9 on August 12, 2012, 12:11:25 pm
:wave: i think if a person is truly out of line there could be a monitor to report to. 

These forums are already monitored by the FC admin and moderator(s).  They decide what constitutes any violation of FC TOS or, posting guidelines, not the members.
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: Administrator on August 12, 2012, 01:09:30 pm
:wave: i think if a person is truly out of line there could be a monitor to report to. one warning, 2nd time 30 day suspension, 3rd offfense banned from forum.
If a post is in violation of the rules (or common decency) you can report it using the "Flag this post for review" link on the bottom right of every post.
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: falcon9 on August 12, 2012, 01:13:42 pm
:wave: i think if a person is truly out of line there could be a monitor to report to. one warning, 2nd time 30 day suspension, 3rd offfense banned from forum.

If a post is in violation of the rules (or common decency) you can report it using the "Flag this post for review" link on the bottom right of every post.

That would be "common decency" as determined by FC staff, not religious strictures, (before that's misinterpreteted by the religious ones).
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: jcribb16 on August 12, 2012, 02:08:16 pm
What ever happened to RESPECT?! Everyone has a right to express their own opinion and yes we can ignore it. Sometimes thats what you have do. If we would think before we speak and post alot of this would not be an issue. But most importantly if we would think respect first, things would not get out of hand. Just my opinion!
I totally agree with you and that is one thing I speak of in here.  The one issue with the Ignore Button, is that when the same poster/s keep up with the mean remarks and the intolerance of someone's beliefs, is that it is not fun like it used to be in here, with even just posting quotes of inspiration and/or Bible verses with others.  Many atheists used to debate with the Christians or believers in the debate threads, but they never bothered those who enjoyed sharing inspiration.  Now, even those threads, in the Off-topic are not fun.
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: jcribb16 on August 12, 2012, 02:16:50 pm
No, harassment by definition is interpretive.  Feel free to post all the uplifting Bible verses you want.  The forum is not exclusive and it is perfectly welcomed to find that which starts a day out well such as a thought-provoking passage or sharing of a new offer finding or whatever ya feel like sharing.   :D
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: falcon9 on August 12, 2012, 02:24:59 pm
... it is not fun like it used to be in here, with even just posting quotes of inspiration and/or Bible verses with others.  

Translation: 'no tacit free pass for unopposed xtian proselytization means propagandizing isn't as fun as it used to be for the mind-blinded'.

"He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave."
-- William Drummond
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: TOMAS7 on August 12, 2012, 02:35:46 pm
Even with the flag and report button, unless something is highly offensive, often it will be allowed to remain as protected by the 1st amendment if the US Constitution. Which keeps the door wide open for interpretation and creates a difficult review and editing job for our Admin. It begs to ask, why can't we all just get along? Courtesy and respect should not be such difficult filters to self impose. And thankfully if they are not the choice of the ignore button is a wonderful option. Thanks again Admin for all the information.
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: jcribb16 on August 12, 2012, 02:37:03 pm
A view and a question for Admin.:

"Observe the golden rule
Treat others as you would like to be treated"

This is a confusing rule, at best, for some threads in here.  If a few posters are sharing inspiration and/or Bible verses with each other for uplifting times, and a certain one or two come in, deliberately making rude comments, posting rude quotes, and accusing the posters of some exclusive Christian pros. club, when it is not, why is this not breaking the "golden rule?"  This includes name calling as well.  It's very obvious, that the certain one or two refuse to be tolerant of a thread, just because they don't believe it, and come/s in with the deliberate intent of stirring up animosity.  No one is trying to force religion down anyone's throat just because they share quotes and verses in an off-topic thread to those who enjoy doing that with each other.  It's been a joy for many in the near past.

Does this mean the certain one or two wish to be treated rudely back?  That is wrong, too - it's not observing the golden rule, period.  Debate threads are one thing, especially noted "Enter at your own risk," but an off-topic getting derailed constantly is not helping promote the idea behind the golden rule.  Some posters are leery to push the "Report abuse" button for fear of being the one to actually get in trouble, instead of the one/s being reported.  And the certain one or two know this, and will remind any poster of this, and will just get worse with their own attitude towards ones wanting to share their quotes and verses.

Honestly, it did not used to be that way.  If posters started getting rude and ruder to others, they were spoken to, and backed off some - on both sides of the issues.  Instead, it seems the dominant and strong viewed and bold certain one or two, are "ruling" in those threads, and know they can keep doing it with no fear of any kind of being reminded of the golden rule.  I have had friends leave FC because of this, and others have backed off from doing what they enjoyed doing, because of this.  And now, there are even a couple of believers jumping on believers for standing up for what they believe to the certain one or two posters.  It just seems a happy medium could be reached with regards to the golden rule in here.  Thank you.   :)
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: jcribb16 on August 12, 2012, 02:40:48 pm
:wave: i think if a person is truly out of line there could be a monitor to report to. one warning, 2nd time 30 day suspension, 3rd offfense banned from forum.

If a post is in violation of the rules (or common decency) you can report it using the "Flag this post for review" link on the bottom right of every post.

That would be "common decency" as determined by FC staff, not religious strictures, (before that's misinterpreteted by the religious ones).
To Kohler:  Right here is an example of taking what you said, and then adding what his (falcon9's) interpretation of what he means it to be - directing the meaning of that to "not religious strictures, (before that's misinterpreted by the religious ones."  That is a bias interpretation - what you said would apply to everyone in this forum, not by what some particular only groups would think, including him.
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: jcribb16 on August 12, 2012, 02:46:41 pm
... it is not fun like it used to be in here, with even just posting quotes of inspiration and/or Bible verses with others.  

Translation: 'no tacit free pass for unopposed xtian proselytization means propagandizing isn't as fun as it used to be for the mind-blinded'.

"He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave."
-- William Drummond

Admin - this is another example of bias towards believers only.  I gave my thoughts about it not being as fun anymore - he gives his, which is fine, but then adds the "propagandizing" and the "mind-blinded," the "bigot," etc. to it.  Believers are sharing something just like anyone can share about most anything in here.  Instead, he is only scolding the believers for what they are (not) doing, and lying about what we are and what we represent.  I don't have any issue with him not believing what I or others believe - it's our choices all the way.  But he is exhibiting intolerance of believers even sharing quotes and verses with each other.
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: falcon9 on August 12, 2012, 02:48:01 pm
If a post is in violation of the rules (or common decency) you can report it using the "Flag this post for review" link on the bottom right of every post.

That would be "common decency" as determined by FC staff, not religious strictures, (before that's misinterpreteted by the religious ones).

To Kohler:  Right here is an example of taking what you said, and then adding what his (falcon9's) interpretation of what he means it to be - directing the meaning of that to "not religious strictures, (before that's misinterpreted by the religious ones."  That is a bias interpretation - what you said would apply to everyone in this forum, not by what some particular only groups would think, including him.

The remark was not 'interpreted' and instead, emphasized that "common decency" is determined by FC staff, (not specifically according to any religious bias).  For instance, it is the FC staff which determines whether incessant religious proselytizating posts violate common decency and not the inherently-biased opinions of the religious adherents posting them, (not even non-religious opinions which find such to be offensive).
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: jcribb16 on August 12, 2012, 02:51:26 pm
If a post is in violation of the rules (or common decency) you can report it using the "Flag this post for review" link on the bottom right of every post.

That would be "common decency" as determined by FC staff, not religious strictures, (before that's misinterpreteted by the religious ones).

To Kohler:  Right here is an example of taking what you said, and then adding what his (falcon9's) interpretation of what he means it to be - directing the meaning of that to "not religious strictures, (before that's misinterpreted by the religious ones."  That is a bias interpretation - what you said would apply to everyone in this forum, not by what some particular only groups would think, including him.

The remark was not 'interpreted' and instead, emphasized that "common decency" is determined by FC staff, (not specifically according to any religious bias).  For instance, it is the FC staff which determines whether incessant religious proselytizating posts violate common decency and not the inherently-biased opinions of the religious adherents posting them, (not even non-religious opinions which find such to be offensive).
There was no need for you to post that in the first place, falcon9.  Kohler posted what he meant and you had to add your own thing just to make sure "believers" got the message.  That is the point of why I said what I did to him.  That was your biased part.
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: falcon9 on August 12, 2012, 02:53:14 pm
No one is trying to force religion down anyone's throat  

False.  Although the "ignore" function remains available both to those making specious complaints against not having an unopposed venue for teh proselytization of their religious beliefs but, also to those whose dissenting viewpoints the intolerant religious militants would suppress.
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: falcon9 on August 12, 2012, 02:55:25 pm
There was no need for you to post that in the first place, falcon9.  Kohler posted what he meant and you had to add your own thing just to make sure "believers" got the message.  

There was no need for you to post your biased views either and yet, you did.

That is the point of why I said what I did to him.  That was the biased part.

Yes, doubtless that's clear to Admin and Kohler, prior to your attempts to 'poison the well'.
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: jcribb16 on August 12, 2012, 03:39:45 pm
There was no need for you to post that in the first place, falcon9.  Kohler posted what he meant and you had to add your own thing just to make sure "believers" got the message.  

There was no need for you to post your biased views either and yet, you did.

That is the point of why I said what I did to him.  That was your biased part.

Yes, doubtless that's clear to Admin and Kohler, prior to your attempts to 'poison the well'.
I changed it to "your" biased part, since you know what I meant, but chose to twist the meaning around against me.  I am not speaking about this with you anymore.  I've asked Kohler about it, and will wait for his answer, since he is the main and only one who is over the forum.
Title: Re: Petition to remove jerks from the forum
Post by: Administrator on August 12, 2012, 04:03:06 pm
This thread has run its course (and then some), so I'm going to lock it.

A view and a question for Admin.:

"Observe the golden rule
Treat others as you would like to be treated"

This is a confusing rule, at best, for some threads in here.  If a few posters are sharing inspiration and/or Bible verses with each other for uplifting times, and a certain one or two come in, deliberately making rude comments, posting rude quotes, and accusing the posters of some exclusive Christian pros. club, when it is not, why is this not breaking the "golden rule?"  This includes name calling as well.  It's very obvious, that the certain one or two refuse to be tolerant of a thread, just because they don't believe it, and come/s in with the deliberate intent of stirring up animosity.  No one is trying to force religion down anyone's throat just because they share quotes and verses in an off-topic thread to those who enjoy doing that with each other.  It's been a joy for many in the near past.

Does this mean the certain one or two wish to be treated rudely back?  That is wrong, too - it's not observing the golden rule, period.  Debate threads are one thing, especially noted "Enter at your own risk," but an off-topic getting derailed constantly is not helping promote the idea behind the golden rule.  Some posters are leery to push the "Report abuse" button for fear of being the one to actually get in trouble, instead of the one/s being reported.  And the certain one or two know this, and will remind any poster of this, and will just get worse with their own attitude towards ones wanting to share their quotes and verses.

Honestly, it did not used to be that way.  If posters started getting rude and ruder to others, they were spoken to, and backed off some - on both sides of the issues.  Instead, it seems the dominant and strong viewed and bold certain one or two, are "ruling" in those threads, and know they can keep doing it with no fear of any kind of being reminded of the golden rule.  I have had friends leave FC because of this, and others have backed off from doing what they enjoyed doing, because of this.  And now, there are even a couple of believers jumping on believers for standing up for what they believe to the certain one or two posters.  It just seems a happy medium could be reached with regards to the golden rule in here.  Thank you.   :)
The golden rule really just something to which we might aspire.  As imperfect humans, we all fall short of that goal from time to time.  Since the rule is highly subjective, it's also rarely (if ever) enforced or cited as a reason for banning. 

I will not ban somebody because they have and express strong beliefs.  I can't prevent an FC member from posting in a particular thread.  But I can tell you this much: it's not happening in a vacuum. Responding, engaging, and call-out threads (even if not addressed explicitly by name) all just feed into this conflict machine.  I can only repeat my earlier advice: control your own forum experience and use the 'ignore' button.  If your complaints truly center around "certain one or two posters" then it's only a few seconds of effort to be rid of their "contributions" forever.  If you think someone is trolling you, feeding them attention is only going to make it worse.