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Do you believe that life without parole is a fair alternative?
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Yep. Executing people is rather barbaric.
“Deserves it! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring
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Then again it is your tax dollars keeping a convicted murderer alive.
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It depends on the heinousness of the act. All you bleeding heart liberals who weep about executions will quickly change your tune when your loved one is trussed up raped, tortured and slaughtered like pig for no other reason than the person wanted to know what it felt like to kill someone. Once he did it, he found he liked it, and began taking pictures of the corpses, so he he could look at them later and relive the extreme pleasure he felt at the time of the act. He went on to do it 2 more times before caught. His first victim was was my sister. So all you death penalty opposers can get your candles ready to hold your vigil on his execution day, and you will look like the fools that you are.
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I think it depends on the crime. Someone who is a mass murder should be put to death. Why should we pay to keep him alive and give him the best health care?
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life in prison...fist the death penalty should be a crime since killing is a crime no matter what the person did (two wrongs don't make a right) and plus life in prison will make them go crazy with their guilt-filled conscience and that would be their punishment.
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I don't believe in the death penalty because i feel like killing that person won't bring back the other person. My great aunt and her husband were muredered in thier home by a guy that wanted money to buy a playstation. They were elderely and sickly. I still didn't believe in the death penalty for him because i know the pain my family and i went through and i wouldn't wish that pain on anyone. For those that do believe in the death penatly, i applaud you for it, and i understand why.
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death penatly we should have to waste tax money on keeping murderers and rapists and child molestors alive in prison. and they should not be on death row for years and years give thema couple months and give them the needles
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I'm pretty sure the death penalty is irreversible. If someone is in prison and later found not guilty, at least you can let them out.
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I know one thing...I would rather be put to death than spend the rest of my life in prison.....Prison does not look like a fun place at all and its somewhere I hope I never go!
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I'm pretty sure the death penalty is irreversible. If someone is in prison and later found not guilty, at least you can let them out.
I have to agree with you here. I know things could be different, when judging a situation with the pain and anger of loss, but simply looking at it externally as an uninvolved person I would be against the death penalty unless the person admitted to it (which they would likely never do as they use a plea of guilty as leverage to reduce charges -- which actually encourages the innocent to plead guilty to something they didn't do).
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A very public death penalty would be a major deterent for those who would use a reasonable judgement and would not matter to those who don't so yes I am in favor of capital crimes being rewarded with an express lane to the life after death category.
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I think it depends on the crime. Someone who is a mass murder should be put to death. Why should we pay to keep him/her alive and give him/her the best health care? Why should he/she get the comfort of three meals a day and a warm/cool place to sleep at night?
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I would rather have the death penalty get the criminals out of here do it more often it just might slow down crime.
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I believe in the death penalty. People who have murdered people, severe crimes against children. Those things are not ok. Why should my tax dollars have to pay to keep those people in jail?
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An eye of an eye. If someone, including me, take someone's life I think execution should take place.
There's the issue of tax dollars supporting someone who might not deserve support. There's also an issue of prisons being over crowded.
Oh...and...let's not drag things out. I think execution should take place within 30 days of being convicted.
My point of view may seem harsh...but let's face it...some of the crimes committed are pretty harsh, as well. :heart:
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The problem with the death penalty is that innocent people have been slaughtered by the state because of police incompetence or false testimonies. You cannot bring those people back. The death penalty is a forever penalty. All is lost. Never to return. Tell the people who have a family member who was executed for a crime they did not commit and then the real truth comes out about the death penalty. I hate the horrors that have been inflicted on innocent people in this society by those who minds and hearts are twisted. I have felt my own rage at the torments I have seen and known in my own life but I still don't know what the answer is, and everything my anger demands is too cruel. :BangHead:
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I don't think life without parole is reasonable because people change over time. I don't think death is necessary unless they giving that person life without parole would endanger the other prisoners, which I doubt there is such a case.
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life in prision w/ no paro.
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Life in prison. I personally wouldn't to be responsible for taking another person's life even if it is in the name if the law. And besides there have have been alot wrongly incarcerated. What if one of those they are about to execute, is actually innocent? After they kill the person and realize their mistake, what are they going to tell the family? "I'm sorry"? They could say that all they wanted, but that would not change the fact that the justice system is flawed and cost the life of an innocent person.
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No because if you took an innocent life, you don't deserve to live. Even if it's a subpar, crappy life in prison.
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I do not encourage the death penalty, what if a person is innocent.
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Do you believe that life without parole is a fair alternative?
Just a note:
"Life" - (as in a "Life sentence") does not mean "exactly what it says" in all states - in some states, a "Life sentence" is 25 years (possibly even less in some states? not sure on this), in some it's 30 years, some - 99 years. And then in some, a life sentence means just exactly that.
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I'm pretty sure the death penalty is irreversible. If someone is in prison and later found not guilty, at least you can let them out.
Yes I think that sigmapi1501 is right on this....there have been too many cases where - years later, sometimes MANY years, people were determined to NOT be guilty of the crime which they were convicted of, and imprisoned for.
I CANNOT imagine being involved, in ANY way, with a criminal case with the sentence being the death penalty, that was found later to have wrongly convicted someone, and that wrongly convicted person had already been executed.
It would be difficult enough being involved at all in ANY criminal case which was later determined to have wrongly convicted someone, and that person had already spent x to xx years in jail.
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I have to say that I have been torn about this subject all my life but I found that when it is a child that ends up dead or someone that I know buried in someones back yard the first thing in my mind is put them to death. I am hoping for the death penalty in a case coming up finally justice for someone that i knew for over 15 years who was murdered and buried 5 feet from this mans back yard. Her and her boyfriend deserve justice for what happened to them and it is time for their family and friends to have some closure and peace knowing this man will def never be able to hurt anyone again. He has already escaped from prison and hired an assassin to kill off legal workers and witnesses on his case.
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I know one thing...I would rather be put to death than spend the rest of my life in prison.....Prison does not look like a fun place at all and its somewhere I hope I never go!
That's kind of always been my thinking, too.......if I knew that all I had to look forward to every day, for the rest of my life (assuming "life" actually meant "life", not 25 years with possibility of parole after 7) was going to be the same: the clanging jail/cell doors, crazy scary inmates, guards who might be as bad or worse, etc etc etc......
I think that a person would suffer more being sentenced to a "life" like this, than getting a quick out by being executed.
I really have nothing against the death penalty, other than the possibility of execution of an innocent person.
I do also agree that overcrowded prisons make sentencing criminals to life in prison a less than ideal solution, too.
But I still feel they would "pay for what they did" more by being forced to live out the rest of their years, knowing that's the only life they will ever know, in prison.
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I have to say that I have been torn about this subject all my life but I found that when it is a child that ends up dead or someone that I know buried in someones back yard the first thing in my mind is put them to death. I am hoping for the death penalty in a case coming up finally justice for someone that i knew for over 15 years who was murdered and buried 5 feet from this mans back yard. Her and her boyfriend deserve justice for what happened to them and it is time for their family and friends to have some closure and peace knowing this man will def never be able to hurt anyone again. He has already escaped from prison and hired an assassin to kill off legal workers and witnesses on his case.
I can certainly understand how, and why, you could feel that way.
And good grief....the man you refer to sounds like a real lunatic! Scary.
That's the kind of thing you really never think you'll see, other than in movies/on TV, because it's just so crazy.
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This is quite a catch 22. Capital punishment is a violent and archaic way to deal with a criminal, but in some cases, it is completely understandable. (Those of you who say its wrong, imagine if someone just murdered your spouse/child/etc...you WOULD want them executed.) On the other hand, it is expensive to keep these criminals alive. Personally, I say that we should worsen conditions in prisons. I had a friend who was in prison for 6 years and when he came out, he knew everything about Sons of Anarchy and Archer (as well as many other shows) because he had a television with over 60 channels. I mean, if someone is supposed to spend time in prison to reflect on their crime and reform their life, why would do they need/deserve things like cable TV? I think that we need to bring prisons back to what they used to be. Terrifying, dark, dungeon-like places of torture and fear.
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......we need to bring prisons back to what they used to be. Terrifying, dark, dungeon-like places of torture and fear.
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Would you consider bolding the deep pink text (which I'm wondering about - how do you get deep pink?), to maybe make it easier for old fart-heads like me to read??
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I can understand giving a one time murderer life in prison but a serial killer should be put to death. Why should people keep someone like that alive? Why are we wasting our money and resources keeping someone alive that obviously does not value human life? There are people on the outside working crappy jobs that pay to keep convicted multiple victim serial killers alive because of "life in prison". It is not a moral issue, it is just logical. do you think people like that fear death? by keeping them alive in prison to "punish them" you are only prolonging their harm to this world.
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Death Penalty for the win.
"A murderer was captured this morning and tried today.
GUILTY. Sentence: Death.
Execution: Tonight at 6:00 all net all channels."
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The problem with the death penalty is that innocent people have been slaughtered by the state because of police incompetence or false testimonies. You cannot bring those people back. The death penalty is a forever penalty. All is lost. Never to return. Tell the people who have a family member who was executed for a crime they did not commit and then the real truth comes out about the death penalty. I hate the horrors that have been inflicted on innocent people in this society by those who minds and hearts are twisted. I have felt my own rage at the torments I have seen and known in my own life but I still don't know what the answer is, and everything my anger demands is too cruel. :BangHead:
Honestly it is worth it in the long run. Some times there must be casualties for the greater good.
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It all depends upon the crime. Some of the murderers get off free. If you take a life they should take yours. If its accidental that is a different story.
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I used to be a proponent of the Death Penalty but, have changed in recent years, no not flipflopped!! From what I see is that there are too many people getting the Death penalty and years later they are being set loose because DNA has proved them inocent. I believe live in prison without parole is more of a punishment, if life really means life!!I think the justice system is now not caring about getting to the truth, rather getting the win. I know inprisioning a person for life costs a great deal but, would rather not see an inocent man or woman die for acts they did not commit.
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The problem with the death penalty is that innocent people have been slaughtered by the state because of police incompetence or false testimonies. You cannot bring those people back. The death penalty is a forever penalty. All is lost. Never to return. Tell the people who have a family member who was executed for a crime they did not commit and then the real truth comes out about the death penalty. I hate the horrors that have been inflicted on innocent people in this society by those who minds and hearts are twisted. I have felt my own rage at the torments I have seen and known in my own life but I still don't know what the answer is, and everything my anger demands is too cruel. :BangHead:
Honestly it is worth it in the long run. Some times there must be casualties for the greater good.
Stop talking please. That is either spoken from a place that has no respect for human life or willful idiocy.
Our system is SUPPOSED to be based on the "I'd rather see one hundred guilty men go free than one innocent man is convicted" philosophy. You say just kill em all and ask questions later. How very third world of you. The worst part is you had to hit 'post'. It's not like something this moronic just slipped out of your mouth. THINK.
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I am all for the death penalty...if you kill someone we should have the right to kill you back!!
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I am all for the death penalty...if you kill someone we should have the right to kill you back!!
So, what's the penalty for a rapist?
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I believe if you want the death penalty on someone who has wronged you for something drastic enough to deserve the death penalty then you yourself must kill that person by a humane way. IF you can do it then fine there is your death penalty. If not then life behind bars is enough punishment.
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Its an expensive alternative for all the tax payers
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Then again it is your tax dollars keeping a convicted murderer alive.
But it's so much more expensive to go through the process of actually putting someone to death due to the judicial process which, really, everyone rightly deserves to the fullest extent in order to make sure innocent people aren't put to death will nilly.
Besides this, I find the death penalty a bit barbaric also, and life in prison is a much more prolonged miserable existence. I agree that conditions in prisons could be a lot worse though.
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God instituted the death penalty in the old testament to deter men from willfully taking people's lives. The death penalty should be used when an individual is clearly guilty of murder.
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Yep. Executing people is rather barbaric.
“Deserves it! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring
It depends on the heinousness of the act. All you bleeding heart liberals who weep about executions will quickly change your tune when your loved one is trussed up raped, tortured and slaughtered like pig for no other reason than the person wanted to know what it felt like to kill someone. Once he did it, he found he liked it, and began taking pictures of the corpses, so he he could look at them later and relive the extreme pleasure he felt at the time of the act. He went on to do it 2 more times before caught. His first victim was was my sister. So all you death penalty opposers can get your candles ready to hold your vigil on his execution day, and you will look like the fools that you are.
you think when a person kills another person that isn't barbaric. come on wake up, if it's good enough for the perpatrator to kill someone then why not give what they gave?
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i think it depends ont eh act i am in favor of death penelty. we are all held responsibe for our acions and it is not far to tax the hard working law abiding citizens to keep a convicted murder alive.
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Do you believe that life without parole is a fair alternative?
i think we should abolish the death penalty world wide because even one mistake is too many.
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I'm an advocate for covering them with honey, burying them neck-deep in a red ant hill and walking away.
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God instituted the death penalty in the old testament to deter men from willfully taking people's lives. The death penalty should be used when an individual is clearly guilty of murder.
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God instituted the death penalty in the old testament to deter men from willfully taking people's lives.
This seems like another one of those faith-based religious beliefs which are unsupported by anything other than more faith-based religious beliefs which are circularly unsupported by evidence.
“Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.”
--– Richard Dawkins
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God is the judge, so I don't think we should sentence people to death.
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God is the judge, so I don't think we should sentence people to death.
This seems like another one of those faith-based religious beliefs which are unsupported by anything other than more faith-based religious beliefs which are circularly unsupported by evidence.
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This seems like another one of those faith-based religious beliefs which are unsupported by anything other than more faith-based religious beliefs which are circularly unsupported by evidence.
...which are supported by faith-based religious beliefs which are circularly un.........
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Stop! Quit going around and around so fast!
Stop!
Please stop and let me off the ride ......I'm gonna be sick..... :sad1:
Heeeyyyy!!!......oh man, I really gotta get off of this thing NOW!
Who's operating this stupid ride anyway??
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Oh, there he.......
dang that guy looks familiar for some reason.....I can't figure out why though....
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{"... g-d is the judge ..."}
This seems like another one of those faith-based religious beliefs which are unsupported by anything other than more faith-based religious beliefs which are circularly unsupported by evidence.
...which are supported by faith-based religious beliefs which are circularly un.........
AAAAAAHHHH!!!
Stop! Quit going around and around so fast!
Stop!
Please stop and let me off the ride ......I'm gonna be sick..... :sad1:
Heeeyyyy!!!......oh man, I really gotta get off of this thing NOW!
Who's operating this stupid ride anyway??
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Oh, there he.......
dang that guy looks familiar for some reason.....I can't figure out why though....
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{"... g-d is the judge ..."}
This seems like another one of those faith-based religious beliefs which are unsupported by anything other than more faith-based religious beliefs which are circularly unsupported by evidence.
...which are supported by faith-based religious beliefs which are circularly un.........
AAAAAAHHHH!!! Stop! Quit going around and around so fast!
Stop! Please stop and let me off the ride ......I'm gonna be sick..... :sad1:
Heeeyyyy!!!......oh man, I really gotta get off of this thing NOW!
Who's operating this stupid ride anyway??
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Oh, there he.......
dang that guy looks familiar for some reason.....I can't figure out why though....
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ohhh....Really - is THAT who it is???.......
Oh that's just GREAT - I don't feel very safe with his clumsy a** operating this thing.......
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I believe that people caught in the act of murder should not receive a trial. I am not a major fan of the death penalty only because there are some innocent people that actually get put to death. But in the statement I just made, if you're caught in the act, then why not. It is cheaper to put those people to death then to pay for their stay in prison.
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I believe that people caught in the act of murder should not receive a trial.
You probably didn't need to continue after this sentence.
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Life in prison. Then they have the rest of their life to think about what they have done.
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It depends on how bad the crime was and their psychological state.. I do not believe in the whole "eye for an eye" idea, because then everyone goes blind, but I do favor the death penalty. We won't be wasting our tax dollars on keeping those criminals in prison. Plus, life sentence means they're going to be taking up space in jail where some other criminal could be for a shorter period.
Sometimes, giving someone life is even worse than death since they'll have to suffer with the guilt of the crime. However, if they're mentally ill or don't have the right mindset/morals/conscience, then life imprisonment is a basically useless.
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I believe in the death penalty. It is a hard thing and I would not like to be the person who is in charge
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I am not sure i believe in the death penalty, but on the otherhand why should they get to spend the rest of their days behind bars with the best of health care, a tv and 3 squares a day, plus all the other things they get. They should be put in a cell with nothing except their own company. 24 hours a day to think about what they have done.
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If you killed an innocent person (like George Zimmerman) for no reason, I think you deserve the death penalty.
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Why can't we all just get along? When did we become Judge, Jury, and executioners? I think that the people that were directly affected by a murder should be the one's that decide the fate of the murderer's future. I think that everyone should have due process of law through an unbiased law system but the final decision, if found completely guilty, should rest in the hands of the survivors/families most closely affected. I don't think that mental illness/insanity/incapacity should be an allowable defense because who is to say that the affliction will ever go away?
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Why can't we all just get along? When did we become Judge, Jury, and executioners? I think that the people that were directly affected by a murder should be the one's that decide the fate of the murderer's future. I think that everyone should have due process of law through an unbiased law system but the final decision, if found completely guilty, should rest in the hands of the survivors/families most closely affected. I don't think that mental illness/insanity/incapacity should be an allowable defense because who is to say that the affliction will ever go away?
Leaving "justice" as a matter of revenge?
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As they say what comes around goes around.
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depends on the situation I guess.
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Life in prison is going to cost taxpayers a lot of $$$$$, which we don't have, since this country is already trillions in debt.
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If you killed an innocent person (like George Zimmerman) for no reason, I think you deserve the death penalty.
So he's been convicted of murder?
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Solitary confinement and life in prison. A fate much worse that the easy way out. :BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead:
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Depends on the crime. Horrible and awful people deserve to die if they've created fear and terror in the hearts and souls of many.
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I believe that life without parole is a costly option. I personally believe if they would use the death penalty more, then maybe some would be a little more reluctant of their crimes. Not saying all, but maybe some. I just don't really see why somebody is allowed to go murder somebody and yet be able to still live and cost us hard working americans thousands of dollars a year? Its all about the choice, they chose to commit crimes nobody is forced, so the reprocussions should be according.
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Death Penalty. What good are these people being locked up for. What is the point. I think anybody that murders one person or rapes one person should DIE. :angry7: :angry7: :angry7: :angry7:
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I really dont have a strong input on this maybe if i was personally affected to a case i would but i can see both sides some people want people dead for what they did because that may make them feel safe or just happy idk and some want them to suffer and stay alive some ppl dont think we should give them the easy way out others think they are a waste of tax dollars others say no because a lot of ppl have been wrongful convicted and given death penalty i think this is something which should depend on every case separately so much too consider the crime, the victims, how dangerous, if for sure guilty, etc
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im all for the Death Penalty
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Some people will never be sorry or feel guilty for their crimes. Just because you give them time to contemplate doesn't mean they will see the error of their ways. If someone is a rapist, murderer, pedophile acts, etc.. there is usually some kind of psychological disconnect where they do not feel empathy or compassion for others. Is it right that we house these people with possibility of parole where they are given free food, medical care, etc.. If you can't value life why should you get to live. IMO The most severe crimes should constitute the death penalty.
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I'm not sure...it seems that this way we the people 'pay' for the criminal to stay alive with no life at all....
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I am against the death penalty. Life without parole is my preference. God is the one who decides when life is given or taken away.
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If I was on the jury of a death penalty case, I would have to be convinced, beyond a reasonable doubt, that this person's intent was to purposely take the life of another. If that fact is proven to me, I would vote for the death penalty. In case you're wondering, yes, I live in a death penalty state.
The only thing I find appalling about the death penalty is the fact that most of these prisoners sit on Death Row for 20 years or more, while those whom they victimized, are long dead. The families of these victims want and need closure and a murderer sitting on death row for years on end doesn't provide that closure - not to mention it's wasting taxpayer dollars to feed, house, and clothe the cretin. Prisons are overcrowded as it is.
An insanity plea, or temporary insanity plea, really irks me. If someone is "insane," someone else knew this for quite some time. "Temporarily insane?" I don't believe it. You either got it or you don't. "Insane" doesn't come and go like a leg cramp.
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Yep. Executing people is rather barbaric.
“Deserves it! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring
so your saying the ones who take a life does not deserve to die themselves, what goes around, comes around
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Someone's life should not just easily "end" because of a wrongdoing. They need to repent for their sins by helping others, whether it's their fellow prisonmates, or by doing a service within the prison for life.
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I don't know. I do have a good friend who was murdered and it was fine with me for them to receive life. But as a mom, if someone killed my child, I can't be sure that I'd be so forgiving. But I'd have to know it was that person - say with video footage - b/c I'd worry about wrongly executing someone while the killer remained at large.
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I am not sure how i really feel about the death penalty, but on the other hand why should those in prison, get health care that many on the outside can't afford. Have you seen some of the prisons they have now. They anything and everything. 3 meals a day, a work out gym access to computers and tv. Great health care.( I said that already). I feel that Sherriff Joe in Az. has the right idea. Live in tents, pink clothing, balogna sandwichs, lno coffee, and work on a chain gang. They don't want to come back. Or committ crimes.
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I believe in both life in prison and the death penalty. I think the death sentence is fitting for people who commit premeditated murder.
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Life in prison it's not for us to kill another human being plus you have to really think about people who are falsely accused and may die unjustly.
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If some one has life in prison, they should be able to pay for their stay in prison.
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yes i do believe it is fair! :dog:
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I vote for Death Penalty. Neither Death or Life in prison will bring the love ones back. Furthermore, people's assumption that they will live with a guild conscience for the rest of their lives is just plain hypothetical. Did you know that some serial killers enjoy and get aroused by the killings? you would be giving them a life full of great memories, at your loved ones expense, plus, you would give a burden to the rest of the taxpayers to support these criminals with their hard earned money. I'd love to hear one, just one benefit that we would get out them enjoying a Life in prison, rather than Death.
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It's hard to say because sometimes I think the death penalty is the easy way out. Some people should have to suffer just like their victims.