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Discussion Boards => Suggestions => Topic started by: Armand2REP on September 03, 2012, 03:57:45 pm
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What about a leader board for the month with top 40 highest earners from offers. Might do well to motivate the competitive types.
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I truly like that idea. A leaderboard would be a good motivator, especially if it were categorized. The reason I'm saying that, though is that someone who spends hours and hours on this site would still never have a chance on that leaderboard as compared with someone who has a great number of referrals. But, if it were categorized then it would be fair and fun for all.
A newbie who qualified for every survey (yeah, good luck with that, but just an example) may or may not stand up to someone who has 20 of his referrals cashing out together. But, you had a great idea and I would love to see it. I think would definitely motivate daily activity and taking up on the higher offers.
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Leave out bonus earning... just offers as that is the best methodology to track activity.
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I love this idea I would love to see where I stack up against other Fusion Cashers.....its would be nice to know who earns the most in a month and who cashes out the most in a year....would be nice to see some stats.
(http://www.fusioncash.net/sig.php/accf5fdca635.png) (http://www.fusioncash.net/?ref=ripagert)
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Such a suggestion has an inherent probability of being a backfiring disincentive in that competitive members are less likely to help new FC members compete against them.
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New members won't have the knowledge to compete with veteran members until they become veterans themselves, thus no longer new. A jerk wouldn't help them anyway so is that a factor?
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A "jerk" wouldn't appreciate help given, whether as a newbie or a "veteran" member. A competitive "leader board" serves no purpose other than assuaging egos or, as a disincentive to help others compete against the helper.
New members won't have the knowledge to compete with veteran members until they become veterans themselves, thus no longer new. A jerk wouldn't help them anyway so is that a factor?
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A veteran member wouldn't need help whether a jerk or not. They won't be sharing info no matter the case. A leader board serves the purpose of knowing where one stands, and if it is possible to exceed their own set boundaries. If dozens of people are doing it, more will follow. The incentive far outways any perceived disincentive.
A "jerk" wouldn't appreciate help given, whether as a newbie or a "veteran" member. A competitive "leader board" serves no purpose other than assuaging egos or, as a disincentive to help others compete against the helper.
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I like this idea but I agree about it being just offers, not bonus points because I suck at getting referrals!
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A veteran member wouldn't need help whether a jerk or not. They won't be sharing info no matter the case.
False. Many veteran and non-veteran members of FC have assisted others by sharing information. This may or may not be influenced by not being in competition with the members assisted.
A leader board serves the purpose of knowing where one stands, and if it is possible to exceed their own set boundaries.
The newlly-instituted "weekly activity report" serves this purpose by informing the member where they stand in private e-mail. Posting such information in a public leader board serves only specious ego-based purposes.
If dozens of people are doing it, more will follow. The incentive far outways any perceived disincentive.
It remains possible to 'compete against one's previous offer stats' as a way to increase one's earnings. FC members are not technically competing against other members unless participating in specifically-competitive promotions. Since such promotions already exist, there is no particular extra incentive in a leader board competition. If a 'leader board bonus' is being suggested, FC would determine what, (if any), bonus incentives would be offered.
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False. Many veteran and non-veteran members of FC have assisted others by sharing information. This may or may not be influenced by not being in competition with the members assisted.
False, those members who assist others are not jerks. Your assumption that competitive people will be jerks by withholding info so others will not compete against them is misplaced.
The newlly-instituted "weekly activity report" serves this purpose by informing the member where they stand in private e-mail. Posting such information in a public leader board serves only specious ego-based purposes.
The weekly activity report informs the member of what they already know from the account page. It doesn't tell them where they stand in the scheme of FC. There is nothing wrong with stroking an ego if it gets them more involved and feeling even better about what they are doing.
It remains possible to 'compete against one's previous offer stats' as a way to increase one's earnings. FC members are not technically competing against other members unless participating in specifically-competitive promotions. Since such promotions already exist, there is no particular extra incentive in a leader board competition. If a 'leader board bonus' is being suggested, FC would determine what, (if any), bonus incentives would be offered.
What is possible and what is likely are two different things. If people want to compete against others there is nothing wrong with it. It drives more profit for themselves and for FC which is the ultimate goal. If people have the energy to seek information then they will find it, a leader board in no way prevents it. I never suggested a winner bonus for the leader board, but that is a good idea.
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A veteran member wouldn't need help whether a jerk or not. They won't be sharing info no matter the case.
Many veteran and non-veteran members of FC have assisted others by sharing information. This may or may not be influenced by not being in competition with the members assisted.
False, those members who assist others are not jerks. Your assumption that competitive people will be jerks by withholding info so others will not compete against them is misplaced.
I never claimed that helpful members were "jerks". You, however, claimed that "They won't be sharing info no matter the case", (which implicitly hints at being "jerks" and making that your assumption that "They won't be sharing info no matter the case").
The weekly activity report informs the member of what they already know from the account page. It doesn't tell them where they stand in the scheme of FC. There is nothing wrong with stroking an ego if it gets them more involved and feeling even better about what they are doing.
The W.A.R. consolidates member offer stats and does let that individual member know where their own earnings stand. Why would anyone be concerned about the earnings of others? Such concern does not affect one's own earnings since these are a matter of self-motivation, not self-aggrandizing.
It remains possible to 'compete against one's previous offer stats' as a way to increase one's earnings. FC members are not technically competing against other members unless participating in specifically-competitive promotions. Since such promotions already exist, there is no particular extra incentive in a leader board competition. If a 'leader board bonus' is being suggested, FC would determine what, (if any), bonus incentives would be offered.
I never suggested a winner bonus for the leader board, but that is a good idea.
Hence, the true motive stands revealed. You're apparently looking at this from the perspective of someone who expects to lead in such a leader board but, have not thought any other variables through. Before asking, (if you were going to), consider what those might be.
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I think a leaderboard would be a cool idea but for certain categories only. Tasks would be a cool leaderboard and so would surveys. Other than that...maybe a referral contest to see who could rack up the most new referrals in a week, month, ect. And in spite of any bonus offered, most of the veterans here would be happy to offer advice to anybody looking to make better use of their time here.
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The problem with a leaderboard is that it encourages you to complete offers not because you are interested, but rather out of a completionist or competitive feeling. That translates to less value for our advertisers. This is the primary reason why we haven't had a leaderboard. That said, there are some specific categories that would bear having activity reported on a leaderboard, e.g. tasks, videos, and possibly surveys. I will think on that. The main stumbling block is that publishing such information would require an opt-in from the members involved (I can't assume everyone wants their activity published).
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The problem with a leaderboard is that it encourages you to complete offers not because you are interested, but rather out of a completionist or competitive feeling. That translates to less value for our advertisers. This is the primary reason why we haven't had a leaderboard. That said, there are some specific categories that would bear having activity reported on a leaderboard, e.g. tasks, videos, and possibly surveys. I will think on that. The main stumbling block is that publishing such information would require an opt-in from the members involved (I can't assume everyone wants their activity published).
Thank you, Admin. That is the type of consideration which was in mind when I'd posted my initial reservations concerning the suggestion. That said, members could choose to opt-in to a catagorized leader board, (weekly, monthly?), for 'free' offers, (excludes the paid trial offers. This may not reflect opted-out actual leaders but, would include those who choose to compete in this way.
What do you think about bonuses for such opted-in participation?
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I think that a bonus would be the only way to get a workable number of opt-ins, but on the other hand, there isn't much for us to gain from it -- at least in a tangible or measurable sense. It's possible that a leaderboard would lead to higher earnings, but it's also possible that it wouldn't.
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I think that a bonus would be the only way to get a workable number of opt-ins, but on the other hand, there isn't much for us to gain from it -- at least in a tangible or measurable sense. It's possible that a leaderboard would lead to higher earnings, but it's also possible that it wouldn't.
While there's no way of knowing in advance whether any leader board competitions would generate more earnings for FC, (at least enough to justify any bonuses paid to participants), or have other unforseen effects, is it worth a try?
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I never claimed that helpful members were "jerks". You, however, claimed that "They won't be sharing info no matter the case", (which implicitly hints at being "jerks" and making that your assumption that "They won't be sharing info no matter the case").
You claimed that competitive members wouldn't share info with new members if a leaderboard was in place, thus making them jerks.
The W.A.R. consolidates member offer stats and does let that individual member know where their own earnings stand. Why would anyone be concerned about the earnings of others? Such concern does not affect one's own earnings since these are a matter of self-motivation, not self-aggrandizing.
If there is nothing to compare it to, there are no standings. Motivations vary from one personality to the next. Every effort should be made to motivate as many as possible. Those that do not share an interest need not participate and go about their own self motivation.
It remains possible to 'compete against one's previous offer stats' as a way to increase one's earnings. FC members are not technically competing against other members unless participating in specifically-competitive promotions. Since such promotions already exist, there is no particular extra incentive in a leader board competition. If a 'leader board bonus' is being suggested, FC would determine what, (if any), bonus incentives would be offered.
Competing against one's self gets boring rather quickly. That is where longevity of the activity requires a new dimension.
Hence, the true motive stands revealed. You're apparently looking at this from the perspective of someone who expects to lead in such a leader board but, have not thought any other variables through. Before asking, (if you were going to), consider what those might be.
I don't know how you come to that conclusion when you were the one to mention it. I am on deployment for much of the year so I doubt I would lead it.
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The problem with a leaderboard is that it encourages you to complete offers not because you are interested, but rather out of a completionist or competitive feeling. That translates to less value for our advertisers. This is the primary reason why we haven't had a leaderboard. That said, there are some specific categories that would bear having activity reported on a leaderboard, e.g. tasks, videos, and possibly surveys. I will think on that. The main stumbling block is that publishing such information would require an opt-in from the members involved (I can't assume everyone wants their activity published).
If such is the case, how about creating stats on such activity? Averages, highest/lowest medians of offers and what your own averages are compared to site activity.
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You claimed that competitive members wouldn't share info with new members if a leaderboard was in place, thus making them jerks.
False. I'd stated that 'This may or may not be influenced by not being in competition with the members assisted.' Quote where I stated otherwise.
If there is nothing to compare it to, there are no standings.
Who said there'd be nothing to compare stats to? One could compare one's stats with one's own previous stats and seek to self-motivate.
Motivations vary from one personality to the next. Every effort should be made to motivate as many as possible. Those that do not share an interest need not participate and go about their own self motivation.
Competing against one's self gets boring rather quickly.
That's a matter of subjective opinion and doesn't negate the possibility that competing against others won't become just as "boring" for the easily bored.
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The weekly activity report informs the member of what they already know from the account page. It doesn't tell them where they stand in the scheme of FC.
Those who wish to do so have posted their offer completions in this thread:
Re: What Offer Approved for you Today? (http://Re: What Offer Approved for you Today?)
This thread serves to indicate which offers were completed at any one time by members. Anyone who wishes to tacitly 'compete' with others in this area needs only post their completed offers and compare them with others to know how they stand at the moment.