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If you could choose another president, which would you support.Be honest.:-) :wave:
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We need another Washington or Lincoln truthfully. The nation has been in shambles too long. However, I think Obama will give it his best and is trying to help.
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Lincoln was incredibly unpopular in his time of Presidency. History will tell...it's much too early to form judgments.
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Ronnie,,, Teddy R.
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Thomas Jefferson is the president who worked most for the freedom of individuals. Some will mention that he had slaves, but this is a non-issue, honestly. It's like saying a company is bad because they used a cancer-causing insulation decades ago. It was common practice. Doesn't make it right, but it absolves him from being singled out.
Jefferson was a federalist in the real meaning of the word, not the meaning employed by The Federalist and other such writings and modes of thought. Those ideals, championed by Washington, Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and more were not federalist in any way. They were nationalists, wanted to create an all-encompassing national government to be in charge of the states. A real federalist, like Jefferson, pleaded for a limited federal government with no real control over the individual citizens of each state. It would act as an instrument of organization between the sovereign states. The state governments would be independent and in charge of leveeing taxes and enforcement of their own laws.
Funny thing: the feredalist ideal won in the ratification debates, as we can see in our Constitution's final draft. This is also why we have the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT and call this land the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. However, due to brazen disregard for the limited powers given the federal government, Washington, Adams, and many more Presidents who are called "great" used their positions, by executive order and by alliances within the Congress and Supreme Court, to distort the meaning of our Constitution within decades of its ratification.
Jefferson is one of the few Presidents who could claim that he fought for the rights of free men, and not be lying.
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I voted for Obama, and I think he will do a good job
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Ron Paul :)
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agreed, RON PAUL ! :wave:
i'm registered democrat and i still loved ron paul.
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i think that obama will do well and could change the economic problems that the countri facing now
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agreed, RON PAUL ! :wave:
i'm registered democrat and i still loved ron paul.
QFFT! i voted RP aswell..he was the only solution...Obama is the Government's biggest puppet yet...He is goin to help them bring about the NWO.
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agreed, RON PAUL ! :wave:
i'm registered democrat and i still loved ron paul.
QFFT! i voted RP aswell..he was the only solution...Obama is the Government's biggest puppet yet...He is goin to help them bring about the NWO.
that's what i'm afraid of too! NWO is scary, scary stuff :o
and i have to agree with you that obama seems like the
perfect mascot to lure everyone in.
ron paul wanted the american people to know
how corrupt the government is, and that's exactly why
he didn't get very far. sigh...
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I voted for Obama. I think he will do well, given time. :thumbsup:
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Libertarians huh? I would support that party if it would actually be a contender to the two power parties. I am just independent. My brother was a huge Ron Paul fan. I would have voted for him, but I voted Obama instead.
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I voted for Obama I think he will do well. We just need to give him time.
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I think its like choosing between the lesser of two evils.... So to speak
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This country and it's economy was so much better when Clinton was around running things. :thumbsup: But I think Obama is gonna do good things to helps us out!!!
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Obama all the way. the reason i like him is because he seems to know that choices that he makes will have an effect in the long run although it may not seem like it at the beginning.
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Obama all the way. the reason i like him is because he seems to know that choices that he makes will have an effect in the long run although it may not seem like it at the beginning.
Yeah like his choices to bailout the bankers now, will effect us for generations to come as the economy inflates and the value drops, and our taxes also go up... Also that *bleep* talked a lot about supporting the legalization of marijuana, and now he clearly states it will never happen and its a bad idea... just another hypocrite.. but he is good cop.. so he does everything for YOU to save you and protect your future with government programs and government spending on YOU... Bush is bad cop, he is more the attitude of "we will use your money to make us all more powerfull.. its all about us, the country, everyone... We are all going to die if you do not do as I say, fear, fear, fear"... but both = more troops sent overseas (afghanistan, or iraq, whats the difference?) and more government spending... and more taxes.
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I don't know how many people believe in God or revelations.First there will be blood shed(war in Iraq and 9.11)then God would send a man from the east with scales to bring peace(Obama).As human beings we can't say what he is going to do but as a strong believer in God, we must have faith that God will guide him to do whats right.It may not be what you want but God only gives us what we need.Give Obama time.Nothing happens over night.Everthing is a process(especially w/the government) and takes time.
But I agree Clinton was a cool president.Who cares what he did?He's human and has needs.Personally if it helped him think better so that he could protect and run our country then I'm down.Mrs.Clinton should have been handling it..lol
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We need another Washington or Lincoln truthfully. The nation has been in shambles too long. However, I think Obama will give it his best and is trying to help.
AMEN! We have not had any presidents that stand up to these two. I know that everyone thinks that Obama is doing so great for the country and I did too even thought I did not vote for him up until a few weeks ago. I understand that he is trying to help the economy, but now he is cutting into one economy that was doing just fine until he decided to start busting the chops of the coal mines for which my husband works and now we have the possibility of having to worry about how many hours he is going to get to work. THANKS OBAMA!
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agreed, RON PAUL ! :wave:
i'm registered democrat and i still loved ron paul.
QFFT! i voted RP aswell..he was the only solution...Obama is the Government's biggest puppet yet...He is goin to help them bring about the NWO.
It's true after all.
The Ron Paul supporters are mostly conspiracy theory nutcases -.-
Are people really that paranoid?
First there will be blood shed(war in Iraq and 9.11)
Wow, this is very descriptive! There has been bloodshed since the dawn of recorded history, be it war or just plain murder in society.... ::)
then God would send a man from the east with scales to bring peace(Obama)
Every single President makes "bringing world peace" part of their campaign. Obama was born in the US and has Kenyan and North American lineage. He's clearly spent as much time (actually probably more) in the west as he did in Indonesia (the east), so what is your point?
Revelations was written by a hermetic, paranoid individual who contradicted himself or herself every 5 sentences =/
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Obama all the way. the reason i like him is because he seems to know that choices that he makes will have an effect in the long run although it may not seem like it at the beginning.
Yeah like his choices to bailout the bankers now, will effect us for generations to come as the economy inflates and the value drops, and our taxes also go up... Also that *bleep* talked a lot about supporting the legalization of marijuana, and now he clearly states it will never happen and its a bad idea... just another hypocrite.. but he is good cop.. so he does everything for YOU to save you and protect your future with government programs and government spending on YOU... Bush is bad cop, he is more the attitude of "we will use your money to make us all more powerfull.. its all about us, the country, everyone... We are all going to die if you do not do as I say, fear, fear, fear"... but both = more troops sent overseas (afghanistan, or iraq, whats the difference?) and more government spending... and more taxes.
The Bush Administration left the economy in a position where there is no other choice but expansionary policy, which is what the Obama Administration is carrying out. You cannot allow the banks to fail, regardless of what you have to do to keep that from happening. You cannot let deflation run out of control, regardless of what you have to do to stop it. Letting everything fall (especially the banks) is not the inherent answer, as many expert economists will tell you.
The government spending isn't that big of a deal considering consumer spending the last couple years has dropped nearly $1 trillion...to put it simply, it's relatively even still. Does it make a difference if consumers are doing the spending or government is doing the spending? Frankly, not really as long as it's going into our economy.
I could be wrong, but I don't believe Obama ever clearly stated his position on marijuana legalization before he was elected. I think people who wanted legalization pushed the idea that Obama was pro-full legalization. I also think Obama doesn't think it's an important, relevant issue at the current time...and it really isn't to be honest. Call your Congressman if you want it pushed, as they're the people who are going to push such a bill. The President has too much to lose to focus on such a trivial bill right now, especially when there is still a gross social stigma/reputation surrounding marijuana.
As for the "what's the difference between Afghanistan and Iraq:" One was an unnecessary war (at the time) that had nothing to do with 9/11 and was a random retaliation brought about by constant lying, fear mongering, and injustices to the American people by the Bush Administration. Afghanistan was a direct retaliation on the groups/individuals responsible for an attack on our own soil and the murder of almost 3,000 US citizens. That would be the prime difference. Clearly Afghanistan was basically forgotten by the Bush Administration. US and other troop deaths were off the charts, Taliban had a very strong foothold, etc. Not to mention that the leaders of those who attacked us are on the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan, which is all the more reason to focus there if we truly want justice for what happened (something, I'm unsure if the Bush Administration wanted).
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Clinton is hands down my favourite, his term as president was when the United States was the top country in the world, and from then on, the our standing internationally has gone down quite a bit.
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Clinton, with the help of Bush Sr., set up our economy to fail. It was simply unsustainable when they Clinton office.
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I seem to be a lonely republican in this forum. ;) I really liked both of the Bush's. However I agree with an earlier post. If I was to pick one president to re-vote into office I would vote Thomas Jefferson. He is basically the creator of this country not George Washington, and he did everything in his power to make this a country of the people, however he had to make other politicians happy in order to even do what he did so the system isn't as good as it could have been. I look up to him a great deal.
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I think we need another Roosevelt. It's time for another New Deal. Obama's bailouts keep getting compared to Roosevelt's New Deal, and nothing could be further from the truth.
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I prefer Obama. He's the man I voted for and he's the person I support! 8)
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Well I see that all are not a firm believer in God and what has already been written.Sometimes we must release our minds from these "wordly" thoughts and realize that everything that we are going through was already said that we would go through it.It's already written.Now we know that everyday someone dies but they spoke of war when they said blood would be shed.A meaningless war.And when I speak of meaningless I mean everythingcould have been prevented.The same way Clinton resolved the last war we "thought" we were going to have.Obama is here to fix what Bush has done.And sometimes people things will get worst before they get better.Because we must first recognize the problem and face them unlike what Bush did.And when facing a problem that someone was running from or ignoring how can you not think that it would get worst?It's sad that we don't realize the simplest things.And because we are so blinded man will be the destruction of himself.Have you not realize that we don't always have someone else to blame when there's something wrong because sometimes we are our the blame for our own problems.And I don't contradict myself,I only tell you what was already told.But I guess it doesn't refer to those who don't know God or walk with him.I use to be one of those people but praise the Lord I'm not anymore.And when you spoke that every president has talked about world peace in their campaign,well okay understand that people can say anything that they want but it's up to you on what you believe.(Bush is that man on the red horse,Obama is the man on the black horse and on the other horse was Bush Sr.)Bush Sr. tried to start something,Clinton came to fix it,Bush Jr. came in and picked up where has dad left off and Obama is here to fix it.And that's all I have to say.So you have a good day anyways.
PS-These forums are created for general conversation and thoughts and not to knock anyone else for their opinion.We all have opinions and why not share them in a more respectful way rather than stepping on anyone toes?We are all entitled to our opinions and I did not intentionally create this forum to have everyone upset or downing each others opinion.So allow us to be adults about this.
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This past election was nothing compared to Bush vs Kerry in the lesser of two evils. At least Obama and McCain were concerned with fixing the nation as opposed to destroying it (I was NEVER a Bush fan).
Good luck to Obama, I really want to see the nation in a better situation in four years.
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To those crowing that Obama is going to raise taxes- yes, on those making over $250,000 a year. 95% of Americans will receive a tax cut.
Of the 4 choices:
1) Obama
2) Clinton
3) Bush Sr.
Dumbya gets tossed down to number 44. What a disaster.
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It's pretty silly to sit here and try to judge Obama vs the other "nominees" when they each had 8 years in office to screw things up and Obama has had a few months.
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I think obama is doing a good job
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The Bush Administration left the economy in a position where there is no other choice but expansionary policy, which is what the Obama Administration is carrying out. You cannot allow the banks to fail, regardless of what you have to do to keep that from happening. You cannot let deflation run out of control, regardless of what you have to do to stop it. Letting everything fall (especially the banks) is not the inherent answer, as many expert economists will tell you.
The government spending isn't that big of a deal considering consumer spending the last couple years has dropped nearly $1 trillion...to put it simply, it's relatively even still. Does it make a difference if consumers are doing the spending or government is doing the spending? Frankly, not really as long as it's going into our economy.
I could be wrong, but I don't believe Obama ever clearly stated his position on marijuana legalization before he was elected. I think people who wanted legalization pushed the idea that Obama was pro-full legalization. I also think Obama doesn't think it's an important, relevant issue at the current time...and it really isn't to be honest. Call your Congressman if you want it pushed, as they're the people who are going to push such a bill. The President has too much to lose to focus on such a trivial bill right now, especially when there is still a gross social stigma/reputation surrounding marijuana.
As for the "what's the difference between Afghanistan and Iraq:" One was an unnecessary war (at the time) that had nothing to do with 9/11 and was a random retaliation brought about by constant lying, fear mongering, and injustices to the American people by the Bush Administration. Afghanistan was a direct retaliation on the groups/individuals responsible for an attack on our own soil and the murder of almost 3,000 US citizens. That would be the prime difference. Clearly Afghanistan was basically forgotten by the Bush Administration. US and other troop deaths were off the charts, Taliban had a very strong foothold, etc. Not to mention that the leaders of those who attacked us are on the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan, which is all the more reason to focus there if we truly want justice for what happened (something, I'm unsure if the Bush Administration wanted).
After all, what your really saying is... "I will work entirely for the government this percentage of my time" which is actually slave labor... but that's another story altogether.
I don't even want to get started, but think about how messed up stuff it is to have governments owning banks...! that's the very definition of socialism (in the dictionary even)...? Then now they are talking about bailing out the news organizations... this is bad news when the news station that's suppose to report things like government corruption, is dependent on the government funding...
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/16/obama-appointee-suggests-radical-plan-newspaper-bailout/
Socialism is the opposite of what America was founded on, and is the opposite of Liberty... You should have the right to keep your money you earned and pay for your own bills if you wish! If you want some sort of insurance or aid, you can feel free to pay into it... Social Security should be optional for example (as has been proposed by many including Congressman Ron Paul).
They should be auditing the Fed, investigating the company failures... and prosecuting those who misled others, and did not do their jobs... BUT... the housing crisis and all these other loan crisis are honestly just a drop in the bucket compared to trillions being spent on endless war and contracts... and trillions just up and vanishing randomly in the books... amazing how big a trillion dollars is...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caMRBGmja3w
I also want to point out that whent he government interferes with business, rights are lost... case in point, when GM was bailed out recently the employees were forced into an agreement which stated, all union employees are NOT allowed to strike... which is their right... so if they are underpaid, or anything happens, they cannot strike... If they do, the government will automatically force payment of all loans and the company will be forced to shutdown, all employees out of a job.... sound a bit like blackmale? thats exactly what it is...
As for the Marijuana laws... he clearly stated we should "rethink" and he believes in the decriminalization of Marijuana, but not legalization...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQr9ezr8UeA (2004)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nczhbou9JU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvUziSfMwAw
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Clinton is hands down my favourite, his term as president was when the United States was the top country in the world, and from then on, the our standing internationally has gone down quite a bit.
my thoughts exactly, clinton was my fave so far, but who nows it may change to obama, will see..
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After all, what your really saying is... "I will work entirely for the government this percentage of my time" which is actually slave labor... but that's another story altogether.
Actually what I'm saying is that in order to have an economy with a sufficient amount of jobs, increased expansionary policies in government spending and extravagant actions are necessary (in fact, mandatory by current law) even from the most basic macroeconomic perspective.
You simply cannot allow the banks to fail. It's as simple as that. If the banks fail on the level that they were heading, there is no economy. You assert I will be working for the government; in response, I'll tell you that you wouldn't have a job if the economy were allowed to completely collapse under the assumption that it will rebuild itself.
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Obama for sure he is doing a great job at fixing the mess that was placed on him... He is going to make things great for our country and we should all be thankful that the other party didn't win or we would be worse off then we are today :thumbsup:
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After all, what your really saying is... "I will work entirely for the government this percentage of my time" which is actually slave labor... but that's another story altogether.
Actually what I'm saying is that in order to have an economy with a sufficient amount of jobs, increased expansionary policies in government spending and extravagant actions are necessary (in fact, mandatory by current law) even from the most basic macroeconomic perspective.
You simply cannot allow the banks to fail. It's as simple as that. If the banks fail on the level that they were heading, there is no economy. You assert I will be working for the government; in response, I'll tell you that you wouldn't have a job if the economy were allowed to completely collapse under the assumption that it will rebuild itself.
Ok so the answer is yes... you actually believe there is only one solution possible to fix the problem, and that is bailout, or the entire economy will collapse. That's what I was checking... If a bank collapses it can cause problems yes, but that is inevitable.. you do realize that these bailouts are only temporary band-aids right...?... the economy by design will do this again and again, until the percentage of your check taken for taxes is 100% and your a government employee no matter where you work. This is the idea of socialism, you believe socialism is the only way. Others believe differently is all I'm saying, and there are multiple options.. Like throughout all of history... socialists believe their way is the only way or there will be ruin.. capitalists believe the same... fascists.. .communists... every type, so I cant fault you for that... You should however just be aware that you support the end of capitalism and the government funded and run banking systems of socialism.
I also would like to mention that its not just banks being bailed out...
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After all, what your really saying is... "I will work entirely for the government this percentage of my time" which is actually slave labor... but that's another story altogether.
Actually what I'm saying is that in order to have an economy with a sufficient amount of jobs, increased expansionary policies in government spending and extravagant actions are necessary (in fact, mandatory by current law) even from the most basic macroeconomic perspective.
You simply cannot allow the banks to fail. It's as simple as that. If the banks fail on the level that they were heading, there is no economy. You assert I will be working for the government; in response, I'll tell you that you wouldn't have a job if the economy were allowed to completely collapse under the assumption that it will rebuild itself.
Ok so the answer is yes... you actually believe there is only one solution possible to fix the problem, and that is bailout, or the entire economy will collapse. That's what I was checking... If a bank collapses it can cause problems yes, but that is inevitable.. you do realize that these bailouts are only temporary band-aids right...?... the economy by design will do this again and again, until the percentage of your check taken for taxes is 100% and your a government employee no matter where you work. This is the idea of socialism, you believe socialism is the only way. Others believe differently is all I'm saying, and there are multiple options.. Like throughout all of history... socialists believe their way is the only way or there will be ruin.. capitalists believe the same... fascists.. .communists... every type, so I cant fault you for that... You should however just be aware that you support the end of capitalism and the government funded and run banking systems of socialism.
I also would like to mention that its not just banks being bailed out...
How many economics classes have you taken, and what level were they?
A lot of what you're saying is completely contradictory to even the most basic of the principles of macroeconomics.
You can stop with the fear mongering surrounding socialism as well. FDR's actions were much larger than what has been done so far by the Obama and Bush Administrations...yet we have remained a very capitalist-minded economy. Numerous other countries have inserted socialist programs (health, education, etc.) and their countries did not go down the toilet...most are doing better than the US at the moment.
Bailing out the banks does not send our country down an unending slippery slope of constant bailouts. It prevents the banks for falling completely, which would lead to the crashing of our entire economy. The government props them up by allowing them to have non-toxic assets to start loaning to people again. When they can start getting loans out and receiving quality returns as they were before, the bailouts stop. How long that takes is questionable, but you won't find a legitimate economists who asserts that bailouts will continue until our income tax is 100%. That's pure nonsense, paranoia, and fear mongering at its best.
What you're asserting is, at the onset or in the middle of a recession, a government should utilize contractionary monetary and fiscal policies. And that is factually incorrect in the eyes of every educated economist. It is one of the first things taught in introductory macroeconomics courses; that expansionary monetary and fiscal policies are required to bring an economy out of recession or depression and that contractionary policies are used to control the rate of inflation, spending, and much more.
I am not encouraging a fully socialist economy (yes, aspects of socialism are necessary as the top economies in history will serve as examples). I am encouraging the pretty basic economic principle that when an economy is on the brink of recession or is in a recession, expansionary policies (increased government spending mainly) are necessary and, as I mentioned earlier, REQUIRED by law. When the unemployment rate reaches a certain percentage, for example, the federal government is REQUIRED BY LAW to step in and do everything possible to lower that unemployment rate. When the rate of inflation or deflation reaches a certain point, the government is REQUIRED BY LAW to step in and stop the changes.
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I think it is too early to judge Obama's presidencey. He has obviously stepped into office with probably the largest economic crisis, in a very long time. He has two unfinished occupations on foreign soil, he has to deal with public scrutiny of bank bailouts, which is also a process that began under the Bush Jr. administration. It is rather unfortunate that regardless of how his term(s) end he will never really achieve the forward motion he had planned as most of his time will be spent rebuilding and undoing the past. He is really going to have to take extreme measures, some counter to his intentions, simply to avoid coming out of this mess as failed president.
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Well here is the bottom line... you quote stuff out of some economic journal... and Ill show you whats happening.... look at inflation, has it gone down since we have started this form of economy...? When on the gold standard the value of the dollar barely changed at all, over 100 years passed and it barely budged... then comes into the current Fiat system, taxes have increased ever since... bailouts have occurred in the past several times, this is not something that is "new". Yet we are bailing out more now, inflation is going up (you can see it! its not in a text book, its in the real statistics), and the taxes are also going up.... Yet we are still going even more negative, and Social security was negative in February of this year for example... So how is it this will magically improve? it wont... and if you look into it, there are MANY very reputable economist saying this will NOT help... Want some?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnmo41TbK_Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpY6JvG7w6M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag-kkq_vKHA
That's Jim Rogers, Ron Paul, Bob Barr.
Many smart investors are not only investing in property over seas, but also gold and silver.
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I think it is too early to judge Obama's presidencey. He has obviously stepped into office with probably the largest economic crisis, in a very long time. He has two unfinished occupations on foreign soil, he has to deal with public scrutiny of bank bailouts, which is also a process that began under the Bush Jr. administration. It is rather unfortunate that regardless of how his term(s) end he will never really achieve the forward motion he had planned as most of his time will be spent rebuilding and undoing the past. He is really going to have to take extreme measures, some counter to his intentions, simply to avoid coming out of this mess as failed president.
I agree about Obama, the bottom line is the economy is a lot bigger than the President. He is not the biggest economy expert, and he also is not the guy who makes the overall decisions... So while people like to blame Obama's monetary policy, the truth is, it is no different than Bush's, or the next president after Obama. It is driven by private interests, lobbying, and those who have the most "influence". So he is not somebody ruining America or anything, he is only part of a big corporation or company that is ruining America. Its like blaming the sales clerk at wal-mart for the slave labor in china... indirectly they are supporting it as with anyone shopping there... but they too are victims of the job market, economy etc. So you cant blame them... same way you cant directly blame Obama for "doing his job". His job is to facilitate theft of the people, even if he tries his best to minimize it.
If Obama undoes some of the past great.. the problem is, I believe he will be leaving a trail that needs to be undone as well... maybe not by choice, but mere position as president... for example, these bailouts are a burden on our children much more than us... Their taxes will go up most, and the inflation will take time to fully take effect as the money gets distributed... so they will have higher taxes and lower value of their savings or inheritance etc. That's who suffers... by bailing them out now, and not dealing with financial issues, depression etc. which is natural and necessary... we are putting it off so our children will face a BIGGER recession and BIGGER depression as they run into a point when they can no longer just print money and bail out the banks... Other countries wont just sit by as the US prints endless money to bailout every failing bank. Some day they will decide not to get involved with the falling dollar... as many countries already have when they switched to the EURO.
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it don't matter to me... they all do stuff that we don't like and they all do stuff that we do like so its a toss up
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It's pretty silly to sit here and try to judge Obama vs the other "nominees" when they each had 8 years in office to screw things up and Obama has had a few months.
:thumbsup: :notworthy: :wave: I agree.
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For me, my values and political outlook most aligns with the Republican party. However, I feel it is important to support the leader of our country regardless of political party. While I disagree with almost everyone of Obama's policies and views, I do feel like he is legitimately trying to help the country, and I hope he succeeds.
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I seem to be a lonely republican in this forum. ;) I really liked both of the Bush's. However I agree with an earlier post. If I was to pick one president to re-vote into office I would vote Thomas Jefferson. He is basically the creator of this country not George Washington, and he did everything in his power to make this a country of the people, however he had to make other politicians happy in order to even do what he did so the system isn't as good as it could have been. I look up to him a great deal.
ditto, ditto.
:thumbsup:
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Well, I voted for Obama and I believe he is the right man for the job, however, I gotta say if Bill Clinton had been on the ballot, I'd have voted for Bill. Ahhhhh....those were the days....things were kind of sweet when Bill was in office. I know about the war stuff and all and the Monica mess :-X, but wanting the man out of office 'cause he got a 'lil woodwork?....jeeeze! Oh, I forgot, when you become President of the US, you no longer have 'male tendencies'....right? That mess was between him and his wife, not him, his wife, and the entire population of the world!
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That was never really the issue. The issue was he lied under oath when questioned on the subject.
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I hope obama can fix the problems that need fixing
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jfk. youngest president. studly creature. won the pullitzer prize. all round great president.
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I voted for Obama...I, also, liked Clinton a lot.
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The presidential job is not an easy one. Have you ever noticed how quickly the men age? The pressures and battles that they go through, granted that is what they wanted, are tremendous. I wouldn't want the job. I am not sure about Obama but, I do not have another option at the moment!
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Can I chose Sarah Palin???? Just a thought!
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I don't see why so many people voted for Obama. Can you not see what he is doing to our country?
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I voted for Obama...I, also, liked Clinton a lot.
Bill Clinton was a very good president. Not a good husband lol but a good president. In all honesty I think that having his wife in office would have been much the same as having him. The marriage is more of a partnership of goals then a traditional marrigage if you ask me.
Can I chose Sarah Palin???? Just a thought!
You can but she is just a big joke...
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Obama....i voted for him!!! He is doing his best to fix things that Bush left but its going to take awhild to see changes!!!!
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Imho the biggest problem this country has is the influx of mexicans.
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I have always liked Clinton.To me, despite what he has done, he still is a smart guy.
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In my opinion, although he is doing an ok job, I think that people give too much credit to Obama and put him on too high of a padastle. In the end, he is simply just a politician, and the fact that he happens to be half black does not make a difference.
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we really need another great president like george washington or abraham lincoln. they really brought the country up! but PLEASE!!! no more bushies!!!
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Bush... naahh obama
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Clinton, but Obama is trying to clean up the Republican mess
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i agree clinton but obama has such a huge mess i dont think that hes gonna make it cleaning it up this 4 years Maybe hillary will run again :thumbsup:
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Someone that wasn't proud, or that didn't worship false idols.
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I'm actually quite alright with Obama, I support him more than I have ever supported any other president. :thumbsup:
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nixon..... jkjk...... kennedy all the way
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Dennis Kucinich endorses Congressman Ron Paul
PressTV
01/10/2008
Kucinich said the libertarian-leaning Republican can provoke debate on important issues to help America strengthen its position.
When asked who he would choose as his running mate if nominated, the Democrat mentioned Ron Paul describing him as a person of integrity, vision, and courage.
He then pointed to the glass etching of the American eagle in the US House of Representatives and said the administration is also in need of two wings to fly, a right wing and a left wing.
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:thumbsup: I got to SEE John Kennedy, when he was on the campain trian, here in California.. My dad held me up to wave.. I didn't know who he was, but I was excited about the campain pins they were passing out. I got one, but I don't know what happened to it.
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Yet another Ron Paul supporter. I hate the idea of voting for the lesser of two evils, but sadly most Americans think that's the only option.
Plus I didn't really think there was a lesser between Obama and McCain. Both want big wars and big spending...
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Obama I feel is doing the absolute BEST given the plate of crap he was served from our previous leader. I would love to have seen JFK have a chance to prove himself a wonderful Pres. as well. Okay so I pick JFK, Clinton or Obama. I have heard wonderful thing about Ron Paul. hey maybe in 2016. 2 Terms for Obama it's a no brainer!