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Title: marijuana
Post by: angelheartee on October 28, 2012, 10:52:49 am
Why is marijuana not band,it is a drug like the rest of that cramp
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: sammywantsya on October 28, 2012, 12:36:59 pm
it is banned :) but its a natural plant tho its not man made so it cant be a drug..
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: king4cash on October 28, 2012, 01:13:41 pm
I think the government must legalise marijuana. This will make it less of an incentive to the traders to make money, where  everyone can plant it in thier back yard, and use it for medicinal purposes, or personal reasons.
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: Pplaya123 on October 29, 2012, 01:35:48 am
Marijuana is illegal when not using it for medical purposes. The fact that it is effective for people who actually need it will not ban it from society itself like the other drugs. In fact, the other drugs cause much worse damage. I don't smoke or do anything and I don't like marijuana personally. It sucks how people abuse it.
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: Flackle on October 29, 2012, 10:44:17 am
This argument has two facets. One is that marijuana is just as dangerous as other drugs, which is bogus. The second is that marijuana should be illegal since other drugs are, which is also bogus.

There is no no scientific evidence whatsoever that marijuana is harmful in it of itself in any way, shape or form when used in moderation1 2. Anyone who argues otherwise is arguing under ignorance, and there is absolutely no reason to argue such nonsense. There are countless sources that discredit all of the made up notions of marijuana that includes:

The lie that its a gateway drug 3
The lie that it causes people to go crazy 2
The lie that it causes lung disease 1 2 3
The lie that it is physically addictive 2 3
The lie that it causes cancer 3
The lie that it causes traffic accidents 2 3
The lie that it causes suicide 2 3
The lie that it causes violent crime 2

These are completely false, made up, and there is no scientific evidence to back up any of these claims. I will include resources to help you read for yourself, but any simple search would bring overwhelming evidence that marijuana does not hurt anyone. Anyone that has been hurt by marijuana has not been hurt because of its effects on its users, but because it is illegal and anything illegal automatically has a dangerous culture surrounding it (where it would otherwise be perfectly safe.)

This leads me to the second notion: Marijuana should be illegal because other drugs are illegal. I have already proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that marijuana (and other drugs of similar nature) cannot be compared to other drugs that are harmful and hurtful. Cocaine, Methamphetamine4, Heroin5, Alcohol6, Tobacco7, and even Caffeine8 can cause at least one of the above mentioned effects if not more than half. Alcohol has been proven to cause traffic accidents, suicide, and is physically addictive. Tobacco has been proven to cause lung cancer and is physically addictive. Caffeine can be physically addictive when used excessively. And yet, those last three drugs are perfectly legal, can be bought in stores without a doctors note, and caffeine can be bought at any age. Of course all drugs can be beneficial or their adverse effects limited if taken in correct amounts and under appropriate conditions.

So not only is marijuana scientifically proven to be not harmful in any way possible (the only possible way marijuana could cause cancer is if it is smoke using rolling papers, and you only get cancer from the smoke the papers produce, and even then this is not completely conclusive. The only argument that has any merit would be to limit the exposure to marijuana on children by putting an age limit. There has not been any studies done to show the affects of marijuana on kids who are still developing so its logical to limit exposure of these drugs like we do with alcohol and tobacco.2), and not only are there are other drugs which are proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be harmful are perfectly legal, the entire notion that something should be illegal because it hurts the user are also complete nonsense.

All these drugs should be 100% legal to use, in your home as you see fit. If a drug does impair your ability to drive, then it should be illegal. But other than that any adverse affects that another person would experience from someone Else's use of drugs are already illegal in some other form (Murder, rape, assault, and harassment.)

To not accept any of this is to accept that there are victimless crimes, and that the government should be allowed to govern our lives as the government sees fit even if we are not negatively affecting anyone around us. If we are going to allow to the government to tell us what we can put into our bodies, in our own homes, on our own property, without harming anyone else then we might as well let them put us all into internment camps and be forced to sing the national anthem every morning. Freedom isn't freedom unless that freedom is absolute.

1 http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1104848 (http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1104848)
2 http://www.personal.psu.edu/afr3/blogs/SIOW/2010/09/some-scientific-facts-about-marijuana.html (http://www.personal.psu.edu/afr3/blogs/SIOW/2010/09/some-scientific-facts-about-marijuana.html)
3 http://www.drugpolicy.org/drug-facts/10-facts-about-marijuana (http://www.drugpolicy.org/drug-facts/10-facts-about-marijuana)
4 http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/meth/meth_effects.shtml (http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/meth/meth_effects.shtml)
5 Merck Manual of Home Health Handbook - 2nd edition, 2003, p. 2097
6 http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/ (http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/)
7 http://www.who.int/healthinfo/global_burden_disease/GBD_report_2004update_full.pdf (http://www.who.int/healthinfo/global_burden_disease/GBD_report_2004update_full.pdf)
8 http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/01/0119_050119_ngm_caffeine.html (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/01/0119_050119_ngm_caffeine.html)
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: osage on October 29, 2012, 01:05:31 pm
   To Flackel: Your brain is lying to you man! That is what drugs do. Alcohol, cannibus, everything created on this planet is some way a natural plant or other. Asphalt is of natural earth elements. Yes, even cow manure! Everything made in a laboratory is planet produced. Now, should we demoralize our own systems for ultimate pleasures. I THINK NOT. Stupidity is not one of my characteristics. I did get sprayed by a skunk on purpose one when I was 15 so I could get rid of some perfume a girl in school threw on me!  I showed her!!! :D   
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: heroftimes on October 29, 2012, 01:12:42 pm
This argument has two facets. One is that marijuana is just as dangerous as other drugs, which is bogus. The second is that marijuana should be illegal since other drugs are, which is also bogus.

Marijuana has absolutely no scientific evidence whatsoever that marijuana is harmful in it of itself in any way, shape or form when used in moderation1 2. Anyone who argues otherwise is arguing under ignorance, and there is absolutely no reason to argue such nonsense. There are countless sources that discredit all of the made up notions of marijuana that includes:

The lie that its a gateway drug 3
The lie that it causes people to go crazy 2
The lie that it causes lung disease 1 2 3
The lie that it is physically addictive 2 3
The lie that it causes cancer 3
The lie that it causes traffic accidents 2 3
The lie that it causes suicide 2 3
The lie that it causes violent crime 2

These are completely false, made up, and there is no scientific evidence to back up any of these claims. I will include resources to help you read for yourself, but any simple search would bring overwhelming evidence that marijuana does not hurt anyone. Anyone that has been hurt by marijuana has not been hurt because of its effects on its users, but because it is illegal and anything illegal automatically has a dangerous culture surrounding it (where it would otherwise be perfectly safe.)

This leads me to the second notion: Marijuana should be illegal because other drugs are illegal. I have already proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that marijuana (and other drugs of similar nature) cannot be compared to other drugs that are harmful and hurtful. Cocaine, Methamphetamine4, Heroin5, Alcohol6, Tobacco7, and even Caffeine8 can cause at least one of the above mentioned effects if not more than half. Alcohol has been proven to cause traffic accidents, suicide, and is physically addictive. Tobacco has been proven to cause lung cancer and is physically addictive. Caffeine can be physically addictive when used excessively. And yet, those last three drugs are perfectly legal, can be bought in stores without a doctors note, and caffeine can be bought at any age. Of course all drugs can be beneficial or their adverse effects limited if taken in correct amounts and under appropriate conditions.

So not only is marijuana scientifically proven to be not harmful in any way possible (the only possible way marijuana could cause cancer is if it is smoke using rolling papers, and you only get cancer from the smoke the papers produce, and even then this is not completely conclusive. The only argument that has any merit would be to limit the exposure to marijuana on children by putting an age limit. There has not been any studies done to show the affects of marijuana on kids who are still developing so its logical to limit exposure of these drugs like we do with alcohol and tobacco.2), and not only are there are other drugs which are proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be harmful are perfectly legal, the entire notion that something should be illegal because it hurts the user are also complete nonsense.

All these drugs should be 100% legal to use, in your home as you see fit. If a drug does impair your ability to drive, then it should be illegal. But other than that any adverse affects that another person would experience from someone Else's use of drugs are already illegal in some other form (Murder, rape, assault, and harassment.)

To not accept any of this is to accept that there are victimless crimes, and that the government should be allowed to govern our lives as the government sees fit even if we are not negatively affecting anyone around us. If we are going to allow to the government to tell us what we can put into our bodies, in our own homes, on our own property, without harming anyone else then we might as well let them put us all into internment camps and be forced to sing the national anthem every morning. Freedom isn't freedom unless that freedom is absolute.

1 http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1104848 (http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1104848)
2 http://www.personal.psu.edu/afr3/blogs/SIOW/2010/09/some-scientific-facts-about-marijuana.html (http://www.personal.psu.edu/afr3/blogs/SIOW/2010/09/some-scientific-facts-about-marijuana.html)
3 http://www.drugpolicy.org/drug-facts/10-facts-about-marijuana (http://www.drugpolicy.org/drug-facts/10-facts-about-marijuana)
4 http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/meth/meth_effects.shtml (http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/meth/meth_effects.shtml)
5 Merck Manual of Home Health Handbook - 2nd edition, 2003, p. 2097
6 http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/ (http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/)
7 http://www.who.int/healthinfo/global_burden_disease/GBD_report_2004update_full.pdf (http://www.who.int/healthinfo/global_burden_disease/GBD_report_2004update_full.pdf)
8 http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/01/0119_050119_ngm_caffeine.html (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/01/0119_050119_ngm_caffeine.html)

Very well written arguement, I, for one, agree with you.  If someone wants to do something on their own time and it doesn't affect others, have at it.  Who am I to dictate what you do with yourself. 

   To Flackel: Your brain is lying to you man! That is what drugs do. Alcohol, cannibus, everything created on this planet is some way a natural plant or other. Asphalt is of natural earth elements. Yes, even cow manure! Everything made in a laboratory is planet produced. Now, should we demoralize our own systems for ultimate pleasures. I THINK NOT. Stupidity is not one of my characteristics. I did get sprayed by a skunk on purpose one when I was 15 so I could get rid of some perfume a girl in school threw on me!  I showed her!!! :D   

I don't know what sort of argument this is but who are you to tell others what they should and shouldn't do.  If they want to smoke pot and it only affects them, who cares.
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: Flackle on October 29, 2012, 01:57:49 pm
  To Flackel: Your brain is lying to you man! That is what drugs do. Alcohol, cannibus, everything created on this planet is some way a natural plant or other. Asphalt is of natural earth elements. Yes, even cow manure! Everything made in a laboratory is planet produced. Now, should we demoralize our own systems for ultimate pleasures. I THINK NOT. Stupidity is not one of my characteristics. I did get sprayed by a skunk on purpose one when I was 15 so I could get rid of some perfume a girl in school threw on me!  I showed her!!! :D  

I think the fact that my claims are backed up by facts, and that there are scientific journals that agree with my statements speaks for itself. No where in my argument did I attempt to state that marijuana is different from other drugs because its a plant. Marijuana is different from the drugs that I stated (There are plenty of other drugs that have no real evidence of prevailing physical consequences in doses too large to be possible ingested) because those drugs do have evidence that they have negative physical and psychological consequences.

In reality, there is no such thing as a harmful drug. Toxicity is measured not by just the material, but the amount of the material injected. Water is toxic at high levels, yet we need it to survive. If we where to breath nothing but oxygen or nothing but nitrogen, we would die of suffocation since we need both to breathe. All drugs have harmful effects if taken to extremes, and those extremes vary depending on the drug. If I where to ingest heroin at the same rate someone ingest beer, I would probably die of an overdose way before the beer drinker since beer has a low amount of alcohol. Marijuana (and other such drugs) is different in that we have tolerance for it. We would need to ingest such a large amount that and overdose would be the last of our worries. If drugs where only categorized by our tolerance for them, then you may have somewhat of an argument. But its not. Alcohol is legal, marijuana is not. And there is absolutely no scientific nor rational reason for it to be so. 1 2

Also, the statement that I have bolded is just plain scary. Just because you don't want to enjoy a certain substance does not mean you can control others and tell them they cannot do the same to you. Just because you think you know what's best for you doesn't mean you know what's best for everyone. If you don't want to do these things, then that's fine. But don't support a system that imprisons hundreds of thousands for simply possessing a plant. Its not only scary, but unethical and insane.

1 http://learn.caim.yale.edu/chemsafe/references/dose.html (http://learn.caim.yale.edu/chemsafe/references/dose.html)
2 http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/node/58 (http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/node/58)
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: tuscarorarain on October 29, 2012, 02:34:39 pm
I can understand two sides to this topic. In one case its good for those with cancer and other certian medical conditions, but on the other hand it gets abused. I think it is just one of those things that should be legal, but should be way harder to get because of needed regualtions.
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: Warhol04 on October 29, 2012, 11:43:37 pm
I'm fine with marijuana for medicinal uses.  I imagine smoking marijuana for anxiety instead of taking benzos or SSRIs would be less harmful.  At the least detoxing wouldn't be as bad.   
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: heroftimes on October 30, 2012, 05:27:49 am
Alcohol gets abused, should we make that even harder to obtain?

I can understand two sides to this topic. In one case its good for those with cancer and other certian medical conditions, but on the other hand it gets abused. I think it is just one of those things that should be legal, but should be way harder to get because of needed regualtions.
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: firestorm420 on October 30, 2012, 11:39:58 pm
Alcohol gets abused, should we make that even harder to obtain?

I can understand two sides to this topic. In one case its good for those with cancer and other certian medical conditions, but on the other hand it gets abused. I think it is just one of those things that should be legal, but should be way harder to get because of needed regualtions.
Yeah, alcohol gets abused, as do pain killers, anxiety meds, ADD/ADHD meds, muscle relaxers, and tons of other harmful things like these medicines. Even caffeine gets abused for crying out loud. People huff air sprays and gas too. There are lots of things that can be abused, that doesnt mean they are all bad or evil.

The difference with marijuana is you wont overdose or die from it, which you can from any of those other things, including caffeine.
And long term effects of use are not as bad or addictive either.

Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: Flackle on October 31, 2012, 10:27:33 am
Alcohol gets abused, should we make that even harder to obtain?

I can understand two sides to this topic. In one case its good for those with cancer and other certian medical conditions, but on the other hand it gets abused. I think it is just one of those things that should be legal, but should be way harder to get because of needed regualtions.
Yeah, alcohol gets abused, as do pain killers, anxiety meds, ADD/ADHD meds, muscle relaxers, and tons of other harmful things like these medicines. Even caffeine gets abused for crying out loud. People huff air sprays and gas too. There are lots of things that can be abused, that doesnt mean they are all bad or evil.

The difference with marijuana is you wont overdose or die from it, which you can from any of those other things, including caffeine.
And long term effects of use are not as bad or addictive either.



This statement is 100% correct. Caffeine should be illegal if we are going to make marijuana illegal. I wonder how those who support the drug war would feel if we took away their coffee?

I would argue to make all those completely legal once you reach the age of 18. By then you should be a responsible adult, and any effects you receive from the overdose of drugs will be your own fault unless forced to take them.
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: HuffmanFamilyof4 on October 31, 2012, 12:38:37 pm
This argument has two facets. One is that marijuana is just as dangerous as other drugs, which is bogus. The second is that marijuana should be illegal since other drugs are, which is also bogus.

There is no no scientific evidence whatsoever that marijuana is harmful in it of itself in any way, shape or form when used in moderation1 2. Anyone who argues otherwise is arguing under ignorance, and there is absolutely no reason to argue such nonsense. There are countless sources that discredit all of the made up notions of marijuana that includes:

The lie that its a gateway drug 3
The lie that it causes people to go crazy 2
The lie that it causes lung disease 1 2 3
The lie that it is physically addictive 2 3
The lie that it causes cancer 3
The lie that it causes traffic accidents 2 3
The lie that it causes suicide 2 3
The lie that it causes violent crime 2

These are completely false, made up, and there is no scientific evidence to back up any of these claims. I will include resources to help you read for yourself, but any simple search would bring overwhelming evidence that marijuana does not hurt anyone. Anyone that has been hurt by marijuana has not been hurt because of its effects on its users, but because it is illegal and anything illegal automatically has a dangerous culture surrounding it (where it would otherwise be perfectly safe.)

This leads me to the second notion: Marijuana should be illegal because other drugs are illegal. I have already proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that marijuana (and other drugs of similar nature) cannot be compared to other drugs that are harmful and hurtful. Cocaine, Methamphetamine4, Heroin5, Alcohol6, Tobacco7, and even Caffeine8 can cause at least one of the above mentioned effects if not more than half. Alcohol has been proven to cause traffic accidents, suicide, and is physically addictive. Tobacco has been proven to cause lung cancer and is physically addictive. Caffeine can be physically addictive when used excessively. And yet, those last three drugs are perfectly legal, can be bought in stores without a doctors note, and caffeine can be bought at any age. Of course all drugs can be beneficial or their adverse effects limited if taken in correct amounts and under appropriate conditions.

So not only is marijuana scientifically proven to be not harmful in any way possible (the only possible way marijuana could cause cancer is if it is smoke using rolling papers, and you only get cancer from the smoke the papers produce, and even then this is not completely conclusive. The only argument that has any merit would be to limit the exposure to marijuana on children by putting an age limit. There has not been any studies done to show the affects of marijuana on kids who are still developing so its logical to limit exposure of these drugs like we do with alcohol and tobacco.2), and not only are there are other drugs which are proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be harmful are perfectly legal, the entire notion that something should be illegal because it hurts the user are also complete nonsense.

All these drugs should be 100% legal to use, in your home as you see fit. If a drug does impair your ability to drive, then it should be illegal. But other than that any adverse affects that another person would experience from someone Else's use of drugs are already illegal in some other form (Murder, rape, assault, and harassment.)

To not accept any of this is to accept that there are victimless crimes, and that the government should be allowed to govern our lives as the government sees fit even if we are not negatively affecting anyone around us. If we are going to allow to the government to tell us what we can put into our bodies, in our own homes, on our own property, without harming anyone else then we might as well let them put us all into internment camps and be forced to sing the national anthem every morning. Freedom isn't freedom unless that freedom is absolute.

1 http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1104848 (http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1104848)
2 http://www.personal.psu.edu/afr3/blogs/SIOW/2010/09/some-scientific-facts-about-marijuana.html (http://www.personal.psu.edu/afr3/blogs/SIOW/2010/09/some-scientific-facts-about-marijuana.html)
3 http://www.drugpolicy.org/drug-facts/10-facts-about-marijuana (http://www.drugpolicy.org/drug-facts/10-facts-about-marijuana)
4 http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/meth/meth_effects.shtml (http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/meth/meth_effects.shtml)
5 Merck Manual of Home Health Handbook - 2nd edition, 2003, p. 2097
6 http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/ (http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/)
7 http://www.who.int/healthinfo/global_burden_disease/GBD_report_2004update_full.pdf (http://www.who.int/healthinfo/global_burden_disease/GBD_report_2004update_full.pdf)
8 http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/01/0119_050119_ngm_caffeine.html (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/01/0119_050119_ngm_caffeine.html)
well said, I don't think I've seen an arguement for marijuana that tells it like this any where. ^5's to you dude
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: HuffmanFamilyof4 on October 31, 2012, 12:45:01 pm
   To Flackel: Your brain is lying to you man! That is what drugs do. Alcohol, cannibus, everything created on this planet is some way a natural plant or other. Asphalt is of natural earth elements. Yes, even cow manure! Everything made in a laboratory is planet produced. Now, should we demoralize our own systems for ultimate pleasures. I THINK NOT. Stupidity is not one of my characteristics. I did get sprayed by a skunk on purpose one when I was 15 so I could get rid of some perfume a girl in school threw on me!  I showed her!!! :D   
stupidity might not be one of your characteristics, you make it sound like it's your only one.
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: mshunter4 on November 13, 2012, 11:31:56 am
they cant band it if they cant get all of it off the streets, thats the same way with crack or any other kind of drugs
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: batmobile on November 13, 2012, 12:51:47 pm
   To Flackel: Your brain is lying to you man! That is what drugs do. Alcohol, cannibus, everything created on this planet is some way a natural plant or other. Asphalt is of natural earth elements. Yes, even cow manure! Everything made in a laboratory is planet produced. Now, should we demoralize our own systems for ultimate pleasures. I THINK NOT. Stupidity is not one of my characteristics. I did get sprayed by a skunk on purpose one when I was 15 so I could get rid of some perfume a girl in school threw on me!  I showed her!!! :D   
stupidity might not be one of your characteristics, you make it sound like it's your only one.
that one made me giggle...most people that smoke pot do it too much;same goes with drinking will that make people stop? um...no!
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: BlackSheepNY on November 14, 2012, 03:56:47 pm
it is banned :) but its a natural plant tho its not man made so it cant be a drug..

Well, if that's the case, then why isn't Peyote legalized?  It comes from a cactus...
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: Flackle on November 15, 2012, 08:43:18 am
it is banned :) but its a natural plant tho its not man made so it cant be a drug..

Well, if that's the case, then why isn't Peyote legalized?  It comes from a cactus...

The argument that marijuana should be legal because its a plant is a weak one at best. Pretty much everything we consume or use in our daily lives came from plants in one form or another. I have already stated in earlier post some real, scientific, and logical reasons that marijuana (and all drugs, in fact.) should be legal for everyone to use on their own bodies as they see fit as long as they don't harm anyone else.

The fact that something is man made does not mean it should be legal. It also doesn't mean it should be illegal. The amount of man madeness (is that even a word?) has no bearing on somethings illegalness (oh well, I suppose you know what I am getting at). One could argue marjiuana is man made when we plant it, harvest it, roll it up in paper, and put it on fire. There's a lot of man-made steps in those methods.
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: freshtees on November 17, 2012, 07:31:59 am
Well mostly science favors marijuana (medical and/or responsible usage)..

But....

No matter what anyone's view is, I am sure everyone totally agrees that the war on drugs is a massive failure. (Spending,results, etc.)
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: momoney555 on December 07, 2012, 08:39:52 am
The well intentioned war on drugs has pretty much turned into a pointless, costly effort.  The jails are full of people with drug offenses while hoards of mentally deranged serial killers are running around committing mass murders and going pretty much unnoticed until they kill a bunch of people.  They should just go ahead and legalize the less harmful drugs so that they are no longer attractive as a source of making money, and put that effort and money toward addressing the problem of identifying the mass murderers all over the country before they commit these heanous crimes.
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: Flackle on December 07, 2012, 04:55:02 pm
The well intentioned war on drugs has pretty much turned into a pointless, costly effort.  The jails are full of people with drug offenses while hoards of mentally deranged serial killers are running around committing mass murders and going pretty much unnoticed until they kill a bunch of people.  They should just go ahead and legalize the less harmful drugs so that they are no longer attractive as a source of making money, and put that effort and money toward addressing the problem of identifying the mass murderers all over the country before they commit these heanous crimes.

This post is all true, except for the bolded statement. The war on drugs had no good intentions whatsoever. The reason why marijuana became illegal in the first place is due to racism. Also, we shouldn't just legalize the "less harmful drugs". There is a difference between a consenting adult using meth and someone murdering someone else (even if in both cases someone dies). All drugs should be 100% legal for anyone to use on their own selves on their own property. To suggest otherwise is accepting a victimless crime, since the person committing the crime IS the victim.
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: dwilson25 on December 09, 2012, 01:25:24 pm
  I just :dontknow: , this is a touchy subject cause it can be used only for medical for people who are in pain ,but if they would just give it to GOD then you shouldnt need it at all, cause GOD can do ALL things possible if you have an headache or back pain, God can take that pain away but thats my opinion, God has taken all my pains away with out any meds,Praise god, how bout you,? he can do the same for you,amen
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: Falconer02 on December 10, 2012, 12:54:03 am
Drug laws in general are screwed up beyond belief and the "war" on drugs is a gigantic failure. I don't see either of these situatons changing until we vote the old naive idiots out of office and the drug companies let their guards down or stop making as much money as they are currently. I think I speak for everyone when I say I think the future is looking positive for marijuana.
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: MessiahMews on December 10, 2012, 02:12:29 am
Look up Rick Simpson's "Run From The Cure".  That's one of the reasons the government banned it.
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: dmatthewstewart on December 10, 2012, 11:55:05 am
it is banned :) but its a natural plant tho its not man made so it cant be a drug..

natural elements can still be "drugs". Penicilin is a drug and that is just mold growth. Same with funky mushrooms. Thats Psilocybin (sp?) and that occurs naturally. Ditto with peyote
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: cwillard1 on December 10, 2012, 12:03:18 pm
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Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: ghunter on December 10, 2012, 12:57:18 pm
i agree with you, marijuana should be banned.
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: mariek09 on December 11, 2012, 10:02:54 pm
To say that marijuana has been given a bad rap over the past few decades is an understatement. If you’re like most Americans, you have been led to believe that marijuana is a dangerous and addictive drug that has destroyed the lives of millions of teens and adults. You have been encouraged to believe that marijuana causes lung cancer and is a “gateway” to harder drugs. The government has even tried to convince you that most people who use marijuana are losers who sit around on couches all day doing nothing.
Part of the problem is that many people are simply unfamiliar with marijuana. The truth is that marijuana is widely used in a manner quite similar to alcohol. Alcohol is more toxic, more addictive, more harmful to the body, more likely to result in injuries, and more likely to lead to interpersonal violence than marijuana.
FACTS-
Many people die from alcohol use. Nobody dies from marijuana use.
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports that more than 37,000 annual U.S. deaths, including more than 1,400 in Colorado, are attributed to alcohol use alone
People die from alcohol overdoses. There has never been a fatal marijuana overdose.
Alcohol is one of the most toxic drugs and using just 10 times what one would use to get the desired effect could lead to death. Marijuana is one of – if not the – least toxic drugs, requiring thousands of times the dose one would use to get the desired effect to lead to death.
The health-related costs associated with alcohol use far exceed those for marijuana use.
Health-related costs for alcohol consumers are eight times greater than those for marijuana consumers,
Alcohol use damages the brain. Marijuana use does not.
A growing number of studies seem to indicate that marijuana actually has neuroprotective properties. This means that it works to protect brain cells from harm.
Alcohol use is linked to cancer. Marijuana use is not.
Marijuana use has not been conclusively associated with any form of cancer. In fact, one study recently contradicted the long-time government claim that marijuana use is associated with head and neck cancers. It found that marijuana use actually reduced the likelihood of head and neck cancers.
Alcohol is more addictive than marijuana.
Alcohol use increases the risk of injury to the consumer. Marijuana use does not.
Many people who have consumed alcohol or know others who have consumed alcohol would not be surprised to hear that it greatly increases the risk of serious injury.
Alcohol use contributes to aggressive and violent behavior. Marijuana use does not

ALL FACTS don’t believe go here http://www.saferchoice.org/content/view/24/53/
So my thought is, if marijuana is illegal so should alcohol for that matter.
This is completely stupid because NOBODY should tell you what you can and cannot do. I do not drink but I do not see a problem with marijuana I personally have never heard of someone “High Driving” and crash and possibly kill themselves or someone else. And if they have they was probably drunk or on pills for that matter.

And YES I am all for the legalization of marijuana   ;D
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: Flackle on December 13, 2012, 12:15:39 pm
i agree with you, marijuana should be banned.

Care to elaborate?
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: Flackle on December 13, 2012, 12:19:21 pm
To say that marijuana has been given a bad rap over the past few decades is an understatement. If you’re like most Americans, you have been led to believe that marijuana is a dangerous and addictive drug that has destroyed the lives of millions of teens and adults. You have been encouraged to believe that marijuana causes lung cancer and is a “gateway” to harder drugs. The government has even tried to convince you that most people who use marijuana are losers who sit around on couches all day doing nothing.
Part of the problem is that many people are simply unfamiliar with marijuana. The truth is that marijuana is widely used in a manner quite similar to alcohol. Alcohol is more toxic, more addictive, more harmful to the body, more likely to result in injuries, and more likely to lead to interpersonal violence than marijuana.
FACTS-
Many people die from alcohol use. Nobody dies from marijuana use.
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports that more than 37,000 annual U.S. deaths, including more than 1,400 in Colorado, are attributed to alcohol use alone
People die from alcohol overdoses. There has never been a fatal marijuana overdose.
Alcohol is one of the most toxic drugs and using just 10 times what one would use to get the desired effect could lead to death. Marijuana is one of – if not the – least toxic drugs, requiring thousands of times the dose one would use to get the desired effect to lead to death.
The health-related costs associated with alcohol use far exceed those for marijuana use.
Health-related costs for alcohol consumers are eight times greater than those for marijuana consumers,
Alcohol use damages the brain. Marijuana use does not.
A growing number of studies seem to indicate that marijuana actually has neuroprotective properties. This means that it works to protect brain cells from harm.
Alcohol use is linked to cancer. Marijuana use is not.
Marijuana use has not been conclusively associated with any form of cancer. In fact, one study recently contradicted the long-time government claim that marijuana use is associated with head and neck cancers. It found that marijuana use actually reduced the likelihood of head and neck cancers.
Alcohol is more addictive than marijuana.
Alcohol use increases the risk of injury to the consumer. Marijuana use does not.
Many people who have consumed alcohol or know others who have consumed alcohol would not be surprised to hear that it greatly increases the risk of serious injury.
Alcohol use contributes to aggressive and violent behavior. Marijuana use does not

ALL FACTS don’t believe go here http://www.saferchoice.org/content/view/24/53/
So my thought is, if marijuana is illegal so should alcohol for that matter.
This is completely stupid because NOBODY should tell you what you can and cannot do. I do not drink but I do not see a problem with marijuana I personally have never heard of someone “High Driving” and crash and possibly kill themselves or someone else. And if they have they was probably drunk or on pills for that matter.

And YES I am all for the legalization of marijuana   ;D


Everything presented here is fact. This evidence is apparent in many different places, and matches with what research I have don so far, and has even shown me stuff I didn't even know. If nothing else, read this post before dismissing marijuana as just another harmful drug.
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: diala84 on December 16, 2012, 09:03:08 am
Marijuana is banned in most parts of the USA. Some states legalized marijuana on the last ballot.

In many ways alcohol, tobacco and pharmaceutical drugs are more or as devastating on health. Alcohol and pharmaceutical drugs are also involved in many more violent crimes than marijuana and yet they are legal.
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: healthfreedom on December 31, 2012, 03:40:45 pm
I've heard much about marijuana. I think it's a shame to lock people up for smoking marijuana, and allow peole to buy booze, that ultimately causes the death of hundreds on the highways.
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: sammywantsya on December 31, 2012, 05:22:17 pm
actually its a plant it doesnt consider as a drug. its pples deception and how they gonna treat it..
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: wildequusheart on December 31, 2012, 09:32:33 pm
Marijuana should absolutely be legalized on a federal level. The consequences for many individuals and society as a whole of keeping marijuana illegal seem to be greatly outweighing the consequences of legalizing it. Many of the "reasons" for keeping it illegal are mostly scare tactics (the "if you smoke marijuana you're bound to do harder, more addictive drugs and destroy your life" argument is a logical fallacy called the slippery slope). Personally, I find it utterly ridiculous that in some states there are people serving longer prison sentences for marijuana convictions (generally possession with intent to distribute) than some people who were convicted of violent crimes (such as assault or rape).
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: cgilliland09 on January 01, 2013, 10:48:05 am
So then, you are willing to ban alchol also. How about pharamcutical pain medication?
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: crazib on January 04, 2013, 02:04:28 pm
IM SORRY YOU FEEL THAT WAY BUT IT SHOULD BE LEGAL ALCHOHOL IS MORE DANGEROUS THAN MARIJUANA SO WHY ISNT IT BANNED??????
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: Flackle on January 05, 2013, 06:53:14 am
IM SORRY YOU FEEL THAT WAY BUT IT SHOULD BE LEGAL ALCHOHOL IS MORE DANGEROUS THAN MARIJUANA SO WHY ISNT IT BANNED??????

Alcohol was banned, and it didn't work out. It actually caused more violence and gave the Mafia a nice extra income. Drugs are now doing the same thing, but instead of being called prohibition (which now has a negative connotation in the United States) its being called the war on drugs.
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: pgk1965 on January 05, 2013, 06:19:27 pm
i cant believe they r legalizing pot and trying to bann cigarettes...dont get me wrong i have no problem legalizing pot its a choice  just like smoking..wish people wouldnt try to make desions for other people
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: crazib on January 06, 2013, 04:37:22 am
ok if marijuana should be banned then so should alcohol its the most dangerous drug i think there is and its legal!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: tzs on January 09, 2013, 09:44:00 pm
Marijuana is not a gateway drug, the person doing the drug is. Its what the person decides to do!
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: lovekat on January 12, 2013, 04:27:18 pm
They both have a bad reputation, but no one get too high that they kill someone of over dose, now with alcohol it is killing people everyday.  Driving drunk, forgetting things that happen, being a person that you would not see yourself as.  What about a ban on alcohol, that is can't be sold after 12 pm= this will hurt all sports bars and clubs.

Regardless of how the government wants things to go people will continue to find away around the situation.
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: mardukblood2009 on January 12, 2013, 04:47:59 pm
I hope they do legalize marijuana nationwide. If alcohol is legal why not pot. It makes no sense like many things. :dontknow:
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: penguinito on January 13, 2013, 11:35:36 am
i dont understnd why alot of people likes marijuana when its not pleasant at all, like the burning of the lungs and un ending coughing an can cause alot of disease like copd and cancer in a long run or it kills the brain cells too.
Title: Re: marijuana
Post by: Flackle on January 13, 2013, 04:03:31 pm
i dont understnd why alot of people likes marijuana when its not pleasant at all, like the burning of the lungs and un ending coughing an can cause alot of disease like copd and cancer in a long run or it kills the brain cells too.

Marijuana does not cause cancer, at all. If you read any of my post this should be obvious to you. There is not scientific evidence that marijuana causes you to develop cancer, nor is there any evidence that you loose brain cells. In fact, in one of my posts, I put up a source that stated some early evidence indicates smoking marijuana might actually protect brain cells from damage.