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I used to think my Mom was crazy when she said she talked to God and he gave her visions, ect. My Mom has been a christian her whole life and I remember going to church with her although I hated going in the end because it was boring. I have always questioned whether God is real and how do you know if he is real. The other night, I was going to bed, and all the sudden he spoke to me. I wasn't looking for him, I wasn't thinking about him...he came to me on his own. I don't know why this happened, part of me thinks it's because I know my Mom prays for me all of the time. I understand, "nothing compares to the promise I have in you" now...I understand everything my Mom was talking about all this time. It's nice to know that I can talk to her about what I'm experiencing because I know she knows exactly what I'm talking about. I think it was Gods gift to me to have me think my Mom was crazy before he called me back that way I can see Christian experiences through a non-believers eye and know to be careful what I share and when.
It's like the things I have been trying to change for YEARS he changed in a matter of minutes. I never want to go back to how I was. I feel so much joy, peace, love, confidence, I'm like the person I've always wanted to be and MORE joy is pouring out of me. I just want the whole world to feel the joy that I feel in God. I feel like he is always with me guiding me through the day, I find myself naturally thanking him throughout the day and I even downloaded music that I used to think was so goofy when I was a teen but now I just want to sing out to him.
I can't thank God enough for revealing himself to me and changing me. I will never forget the night that he spoke to me and changed my life.
:notworthy:
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I am happy for you for your decision for the Lord. :heart: Thank you for sharing about your peace and joy with this! {{{Hugs}}} :)
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I used to think my Mom was crazy when she said she talked to God and he gave her visions, ect. The other night, I was going to bed, and all the sudden he spoke to me.
While anyone has the option to have, or not have such superstitious religious beliefs, there is no valid evidence to support the attribution mentioned to a supernatural egregore. Instead, such relies entirely upon "faith" and 'religious testimony'; a dubious subjective basis upon which one could claim anything. If such were kept to oneself, it wouldn't become some sort of 'mind virus' spread by not keeping it to oneself.
"I suggest that the anthropomorphic g-d idea is not a harmless infirmity of human thought, but a very noxious fallacy,
which is largely responsible for the calamities the world is at present enduring."
-- William Archer
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Im glad you found such joy. Try not to let anyone steal it from you, because you know they will. :wave: God Bless. ;D
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Encouraging blind faith isn't a good thing because it discourages rationality and reasoning and promotes superstitious self-blindness.
Im glad you found such joy. Try not to let anyone steal it from you, because you know they will. :wave: God Bless. ;D
I am happy for you for your decision for the Lord. :heart: Thank you for sharing about your peace and joy with this! {{{Hugs}}} :)
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Encouraging blind faith isn't a good thing because it discourages rationality and reasoning and promotes superstitious self-blindness.
Im glad you found such joy. Try not to let anyone steal it from you, because you know they will. :wave: God Bless. ;D
I am happy for you for your decision for the Lord. :heart: Thank you for sharing about your peace and joy with this! {{{Hugs}}} :)
Thanks for your concerning advice, but since we differ in what/how we believe/dis-believe, I will stay with my belief in my Lord, and am happy for her choice when it obviously gives her joy, peace, and confidence in God. :)
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Thanks for your concerning advice, but since we differ in what/how we believe/dis-believe, I will stay with my belief in my Lord, and am happy for her choice when it obviously gives her joy, peace, and confidence in God. :)
Encouraging superstitious religious self-delusion isn't doing anyone any favors.
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Thanks for your concerning advice, but since we differ in what/how we believe/dis-believe, I will stay with my belief in my Lord, and am happy for her choice when it obviously gives her joy, peace, and confidence in God. :)
Encouraging superstitious religious self-delusion isn't doing anyone any favors.
For you? No, it's not. For others who believe in God - there are no favors being done when their decision is already made. They joy in sharing and others share in her joy. :)
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Thanks for your concerning advice, but since we differ in what/how we believe/dis-believe, I will stay with my belief in my Lord, and am happy for her choice when it obviously gives her joy, peace, and confidence in God. :)
Encouraging superstitious religious self-delusion isn't doing anyone any favors.
For you? No, it's not. For others who believe in God - there are no favors being done when their decision is already made. They joy in sharing and others share in her joy. :)
That's encouraging blind faith and superstitious self-delusion. In the past, such "beliefs" lead to the xtian-instigated Crusades, Inquistions, witch hunts, assimulation of native american tribes and Westboro baptists.
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Thanks for your concerning advice, but since we differ in what/how we believe/dis-believe, I will stay with my belief in my Lord, and am happy for her choice when it obviously gives her joy, peace, and confidence in God. :)
Encouraging superstitious religious self-delusion isn't doing anyone any favors.
For you? No, it's not. For others who believe in God - there are no favors being done when their decision is already made. They joy in sharing and others share in her joy. :)
That's encouraging blind faith and superstitious self-delusion. In the past, such "beliefs" lead to the xtian-instigated Crusades, Inquistions, witch hunts, assimulation of native american tribes and Westboro baptists.
That is not being done by genuine Christians, like myself, and others on FC, and around and about. Those in the past were wrong and the Westboro Baptists of today are rotten and using God's name to further their hatred of certain groups and ideas - God does not promote what they are doing to others - they are wrong, dangerous, and make genuine Christians/believers look bad. They will be held accountable for their hateful and inexcusable actions.
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Thanks for your concerning advice, but since we differ in what/how we believe/dis-believe, I will stay with my belief in my Lord, and am happy for her choice when it obviously gives her joy, peace, and confidence in God. :)
Encouraging superstitious religious self-delusion isn't doing anyone any favors.
For you? No, it's not. For others who believe in God - there are no favors being done when their decision is already made. They joy in sharing and others share in her joy. :)
That's encouraging blind faith and superstitious self-delusion. In the past, such "beliefs" lead to the xtian-instigated Crusades, Inquistions, witch hunts, assimulation of native american tribes and Westboro baptists.
That is not being done by genuine Christians, like myself ...
Irrelevant; it was done by xtians who believed in the same religious beliefs which lead to those things as "geniune" xtians today. Those xtians also self-declared as "geniune" so, there's no real distinction when the superstitious religious beliefs are exactly the same.
Those in the past were wrong and the Westboro Baptists of today are rotten and using God's name to further their hatred of certain groups and ideas - God does not promote what they are doing to others - they are wrong, dangerous, and make genuine Christians/believers look bad. They will be held accountable for their hateful and inexcusable actions.
Same religious beliefs, same potential for atrocities.
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Do you know that Jesus Christ came down from heaven in a fleshly form being born of a virgin? He died on the cross for the payment of our sins and rose from the dead. It is us putting our faith in what He did to save us from our sins that grants us salvation from hell and everlasting life in heaven. I beleive Jesus told Sual, "14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me." from Acts 26 KJV Bible online
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Do you know that Jesus Christ came down from heaven in a fleshly form being born of a virgin?
No, and neither does anyone who makes such a claim based upon religious blind faith, ratehr than substantive evidence. Such is an, (empty), religious belief because it rests entirely on "faith" and a lack of evidence.
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It so nice and uplifting to read these like-minded posts without the rhetoric of the people I have ignored.
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It so nice and uplifting to read these like-minded posts without the rhetoric of the people I have ignored.
It may be even 'nicer' to not read posts passive-aggressively talking about people supposedly being ignored, (but then, that's ignorance for you).
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I used to think my Mom was crazy when she said she talked to God and he gave her visions, ect. My Mom has been a christian her whole life and I remember going to church with her although I hated going in the end because it was boring. I have always questioned whether God is real and how do you know if he is real. The other night, I was going to bed, and all the sudden he spoke to me. I wasn't looking for him, I wasn't thinking about him...he came to me on his own. I don't know why this happened, part of me thinks it's because I know my Mom prays for me all of the time. I understand, "nothing compares to the promise I have in you" now...I understand everything my Mom was talking about all this time. It's nice to know that I can talk to her about what I'm experiencing because I know she knows exactly what I'm talking about. I think it was Gods gift to me to have me think my Mom was crazy before he called me back that way I can see Christian experiences through a non-believers eye and know to be careful what I share and when.
It's like the things I have been trying to change for YEARS he changed in a matter of minutes. I never want to go back to how I was. I feel so much joy, peace, love, confidence, I'm like the person I've always wanted to be and MORE joy is pouring out of me. I just want the whole world to feel the joy that I feel in God. I feel like he is always with me guiding me through the day, I find myself naturally thanking him throughout the day and I even downloaded music that I used to think was so goofy when I was a teen but now I just want to sing out to him.
I can't thank God enough for revealing himself to me and changing me. I will never forget the night that he spoke to me and changed my life.
:notworthy:
Thank you so much for sharing your testimony with us! It feels so good to be full of God's love. It makes being in this mean ugly world a whole lot easier! God Bless you! May your light continue to shine!! :heart:
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Promoting and encouraging blind religious faith is promoting ignorance and encouraging self-deception. These things are vehemently opposed because they're the same superstitious nonsense which lead directly to the xtian-instigated dark ages, inquisitions, crusades, pograms, native american and other tribal/pagan assimulations and sundry atrocities.
Thank you so much for sharing your testimony with us!
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I used to think my Mom was crazy when she said she talked to God and he gave her visions, ect. My Mom has been a christian her whole life and I remember going to church with her although I hated going in the end because it was boring. I have always questioned whether God is real and how do you know if he is real. The other night, I was going to bed, and all the sudden he spoke to me. I wasn't looking for him, I wasn't thinking about him...he came to me on his own. I don't know why this happened, part of me thinks it's because I know my Mom prays for me all of the time. I understand, "nothing compares to the promise I have in you" now...I understand everything my Mom was talking about all this time. It's nice to know that I can talk to her about what I'm experiencing because I know she knows exactly what I'm talking about. I think it was Gods gift to me to have me think my Mom was crazy before he called me back that way I can see Christian experiences through a non-believers eye and know to be careful what I share and when.
It's like the things I have been trying to change for YEARS he changed in a matter of minutes. I never want to go back to how I was. I feel so much joy, peace, love, confidence, I'm like the person I've always wanted to be and MORE joy is pouring out of me. I just want the whole world to feel the joy that I feel in God. I feel like he is always with me guiding me through the day, I find myself naturally thanking him throughout the day and I even downloaded music that I used to think was so goofy when I was a teen but now I just want to sing out to him.
I can't thank God enough for revealing himself to me and changing me. I will never forget the night that he spoke to me and changed my life.
:notworthy:
I'm very happy for you! :) No one can ever rob you of the joy of knowing Christ as your Savior.
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No one can ever rob you of ...
No one robbed you of the ability to reason because apparently, you never possessed it.
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I think the ones who dont believe are the ignorant ones and should opens their hearts. :heart:, but you keep trying.....just wasting your breath.
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I think falcon posts just so Jcribb will reply to him.Most people have put him on ignore by now. ;D
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I think the ones who dont believe are the ignorant ones
Such an assertion is illogical and without merit. Reasoning isn't "ignorant"; blind faith with evidence, (and even despite the lack of evidence), is willful ignorance and self-deception.
... but you keep try.....just wasting your breath.
The objective is not to 'unblind' the ones willfully self-blinded by specious religious superstitious faith. Were such able to *see* using reason, teh objective wouldn't be 'hidden' to their self-blinded eyes, (and specious speculations). ...
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I think falcon posts just so Jcribb will reply to him.
As usual, a faith-blinded fundie's specious speculations are far off the mark. The cognitive problem lies in the contradiction inherent in the first two words of your sentence.
Most people have put him on ignore by now. ;D
How would some faith-blinded fundie know whether "most", a few, some, several, or a bunch have done so without access to FC records? In any case, what's it to some religious gossiping zealot whether or not an FC member is ignored, replied to or given chocolates?
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Thats good you turned your life over to god. it is normal to have these doubts but yes, He is real. Think of it like this... if you get a car, how did that car come into exhistance? Did it just pop out of no where? No. It needs a creator. It's the same concept with people and the earth, universe, and everything else. We wouldn't be here without God. You want to know the truth? No one is good. No one. The only way we can become "good" in a sense is to follow God and live through him.
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Church and Bible (reading the bible and going to church can really help)
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Think of it like this... if you get a car, how did that car come into exhistance? Did it just pop out of no where? No. It needs a creator. It's the same concept with people and the earth, universe, and everything else.
It's not the same concept, that's a false parallel error in 'reasoning', (to apply that term loosely to the specious religious premise repled to).
First, the parallel implicitly suggests "people and the earth, universe ..." were built from parts, (like a car is), by a 'builder', (religious adherents would say, "creator"). This premise does not logically follow since the argument is sophist; arguing backwards from the conclusion of 'creation' to the premise of 'creator', (premise comes before conslusion, unless one is an irrational holder of superstitious religious faith).
Secondly, several central religious mythologies claim that everything was not built from parts but, 'created' in a "pop out of nowhere" sense disaparaged by the OP claimant. Given the mutually-exclusion a priori premises; they invalidate one another - no 'pop-outta-nowhere' creationism and no 'built-from-spare-parts' like cars. Creationists seem to prefer such sophist 'arguements because they can point out that "cars" didn't evolve so, (speciously and incorrectly), neither did anything else. This is an irrational argument of the excluded middle and relies upon false assumptions - just like religious beliefs do.
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I used to think my Mom was crazy when she said she talked to God and he gave her visions, ect. My Mom has been a christian her whole life and I remember going to church with her although I hated going in the end because it was boring. I have always questioned whether God is real and how do you know if he is real. The other night, I was going to bed, and all the sudden he spoke to me. I wasn't looking for him, I wasn't thinking about him...he came to me on his own. I don't know why this happened, part of me thinks it's because I know my Mom prays for me all of the time. I understand, "nothing compares to the promise I have in you" now...I understand everything my Mom was talking about all this time. It's nice to know that I can talk to her about what I'm experiencing because I know she knows exactly what I'm talking about. I think it was Gods gift to me to have me think my Mom was crazy before he called me back that way I can see Christian experiences through a non-believers eye and know to be careful what I share and when.
It's like the things I have been trying to change for YEARS he changed in a matter of minutes. I never want to go back to how I was. I feel so much joy, peace, love, confidence, I'm like the person I've always wanted to be and MORE joy is pouring out of me. I just want the whole world to feel the joy that I feel in God. I feel like he is always with me guiding me through the day, I find myself naturally thanking him throughout the day and I even downloaded music that I used to think was so goofy when I was a teen but now I just want to sing out to him.
I can't thank God enough for revealing himself to me and changing me. I will never forget the night that he spoke to me and changed my life.
:notworthy:
Amen sister...we think it is so hard to do but turning our life over to God is the best thing you can or will do in your life
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...we think it is so hard to do but turning our life over to God is the best thing you can or will do in your life
Compared to what, a pre-frontal lobotomy? Abdicating personal responsibility to a hypothetical supernatural egregore isn't the pinnacle of reasoning.
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good choice, I share your joy!
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i am happy to see you you put your life in the hands of the Lord.
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i am happy to see you you put your life in the hands of the Lord.
Why, were you religious adherents running low on superstitious and faith-blinded cohorts?
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i am happy to see you you put your life in the hands of the Lord.
Why, were you religious adherents running low on superstitious and faith-blinded cohorts?
Why would that bother you?
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Why would that bother you?
Now, that's sarcasm. Well-played.
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Why would that bother you?
Now, that's sarcasm. Well-played.
Why thank you! Yours was obvious, too, you know! ;D
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So why is that christians can not even decide amongst each other on specifics and have so many denominations? (Cathlic, Protestan, Lutheran, Morman, to name but a few) And what about the missing books from the bible? There are clearly chapters (or gospels) missing, why is that? Something the old church did not want the general public to know? At any rate its missing.
And what about the MAJORITY of the world that is not christian, but rather muslim jewish budist, ect. Are they all screwed eternaly, most of them because they were brought up in a different part of the world and were taught differently? If you think most people are christian you are wrong, look it up. Christians vs the rest of religion and those without religion, christianity is far out numbered.
So someone who rapes and murders can repent and get into heaven, but someone who does nothing worse then some non violent sins will be cast to hell for not beleiving?
Why is one of the 10 commandments saying 'the lords' name in vain (as in, saying his name with a bad additude, like 'goddamnit that sucks' or in surprise, like jesus christ that scared me. BUT RAPE is not a commandment, as long as the one getting raped is not married to someone else(cuz that would be adultery)
If every man is a sinner and the bible was writen by men...
How do you explain Noahs Arc? Really? No one else had a boat? He got 2 of every animal, which are spread out over the entire planet? Alot of animals EAT other animals, what did they eat on that boat, if not each other? This is but one of MANY illogical tellings of the bible.
Fear of eternal damnation in the fiery pits of hell is a strong recruitment tool, especialy for the young, dont you think? Especially when the other alternative given is eternaly happiness and bliss in heaven.. Im sure some people have the better safe then sorry mindset.
Sorry just read through some things on this post and wanted to give my opinion, althought I fully expect that the only response to my post will be along the lines of blind faith, believing anyways, and no real answers to the clear lack of all logic.
However, you are entitled to your own believes and views, and so am I, these are just some of mine on the subject.
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That's a great thing...stay strong and always read the word and pray every day. :angel12:
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That's a great thing...stay strong and always read the word and pray every day. :angel12:
On the contrary, it's unfortunate when someone opts for irrational religious self-deceptions rather than a rational thinking and logical reasoning basis.
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Thats good for you!!! Its an awesome feeling when you believe in something and feel that strongly about your faith in god!!! :angel11:
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Thats good for you!!! Its an awesome feeling when you believe in something and feel that strongly about your faith in god!!! :angel11:
On the contrary, it's unfortunate when someone opts for irrational religious self-deceptions rather than a rational thinking and logical reasoning basis.
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"I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is."
If he isn't real I don't want to find out because the joy that I am feeling is amazing, my life is so amazing now that I listen and follow what God guides me to do. Maybe I'm crazy for hearing and talking to God, but if this is crazy than crazy is just fine with me :)
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Thank you for those of who who posted encouraging posts, it's nice to know I'm not alone and there are others who share my faith!
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Thank you for those of who who posted encouraging posts, it's nice to know I'm not alone and there are others who share my faith!
You are very welcome! :)
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why would anyone believe in someone that is not real. just watch the video on youtube called"the greatest story never told". this is a true story
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If he isn't real I don't want to find out ... my life is so amazing now that I listen and follow what God guides me to do. Maybe I'm crazy for hearing and talking to God, but if this is crazy than crazy is just fine with me :)
That's how it begins, slowly; then the religious adherents believe they can 'justify' any other kind of "crazy" behaviour, like crusades or inquisitions or witch hunts or cultural assimulation plagiarisms, or flying aircraft into buildings.
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So why is that christians can not even decide amongst each other on specifics and have so many denominations? (Cathlic, Protestan, Lutheran, Morman, to name but a few) And what about the missing books from the bible? There are clearly chapters (or gospels) missing, why is that? Something the old church did not want the general public to know? At any rate its missing.
And what about the MAJORITY of the world that is not christian, but rather muslim jewish budist, ect. Are they all screwed eternaly, most of them because they were brought up in a different part of the world and were taught differently? If you think most people are christian you are wrong, look it up. Christians vs the rest of religion and those without religion, christianity is far out numbered.
So someone who rapes and murders can repent and get into heaven, but someone who does nothing worse then some non violent sins will be cast to hell for not beleiving?
Why is one of the 10 commandments saying 'the lords' name in vain (as in, saying his name with a bad additude, like 'goddamnit that sucks' or in surprise, like jesus christ that scared me. BUT RAPE is not a commandment, as long as the one getting raped is not married to someone else(cuz that would be adultery)
If every man is a sinner and the bible was writen by men...
How do you explain Noahs Arc? Really? No one else had a boat? He got 2 of every animal, which are spread out over the entire planet? Alot of animals EAT other animals, what did they eat on that boat, if not each other? This is but one of MANY illogical tellings of the bible.
Fear of eternal damnation in the fiery pits of hell is a strong recruitment tool, especialy for the young, dont you think? Especially when the other alternative given is eternaly happiness and bliss in heaven.. Im sure some people have the better safe then sorry mindset.
Sorry just read through some things on this post and wanted to give my opinion, althought I fully expect that the only response to my post will be along the lines of blind faith, believing anyways, and no real answers to the clear lack of all logic.
However, you are entitled to your own believes and views, and so am I, these are just some of mine on the subject.
Your opinion and questions are relevant and it's 'curious' as to why no religious adherent has answered any of the valid points you've raised.
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So why is that christians can not even decide amongst each other on specifics and have so many denominations? (Cathlic, Protestan, Lutheran, Morman, to name but a few) And what about the missing books from the bible? There are clearly chapters (or gospels) missing, why is that? Something the old church did not want the general public to know? At any rate its missing.
And what about the MAJORITY of the world that is not christian, but rather muslim jewish budist, ect. Are they all screwed eternaly, most of them because they were brought up in a different part of the world and were taught differently? If you think most people are christian you are wrong, look it up. Christians vs the rest of religion and those without religion, christianity is far out numbered.
So someone who rapes and murders can repent and get into heaven, but someone who does nothing worse then some non violent sins will be cast to hell for not beleiving?
Why is one of the 10 commandments saying 'the lords' name in vain (as in, saying his name with a bad additude, like 'goddamnit that sucks' or in surprise, like jesus christ that scared me. BUT RAPE is not a commandment, as long as the one getting raped is not married to someone else(cuz that would be adultery)
If every man is a sinner and the bible was writen by men...
How do you explain Noahs Arc? Really? No one else had a boat? He got 2 of every animal, which are spread out over the entire planet? Alot of animals EAT other animals, what did they eat on that boat, if not each other? This is but one of MANY illogical tellings of the bible.
Fear of eternal damnation in the fiery pits of hell is a strong recruitment tool, especialy for the young, dont you think? Especially when the other alternative given is eternaly happiness and bliss in heaven.. Im sure some people have the better safe then sorry mindset.
Sorry just read through some things on this post and wanted to give my opinion, althought I fully expect that the only response to my post will be along the lines of blind faith, believing anyways, and no real answers to the clear lack of all logic.
However, you are entitled to your own believes and views, and so am I, these are just some of mine on the subject.
You know, I have wondered about most of the same things you mentioned in your post here. How can people who say they believe in God prove that these things really did happen? If so, why don't these 'miraculous situations' happen today? I would like to know.
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So why is that christians can not even decide amongst each other on specifics and have so many denominations? (Cathlic, Protestan, Lutheran, Morman, to name but a few) And what about the missing books from the bible? There are clearly chapters (or gospels) missing, why is that? Something the old church did not want the general public to know? At any rate its missing.
And what about the MAJORITY of the world that is not christian, but rather muslim jewish budist, ect. Are they all screwed eternaly, most of them because they were brought up in a different part of the world and were taught differently? If you think most people are christian you are wrong, look it up. Christians vs the rest of religion and those without religion, christianity is far out numbered.
So someone who rapes and murders can repent and get into heaven, but someone who does nothing worse then some non violent sins will be cast to hell for not beleiving?
Why is one of the 10 commandments saying 'the lords' name in vain (as in, saying his name with a bad additude, like 'goddamnit that sucks' or in surprise, like jesus christ that scared me. BUT RAPE is not a commandment, as long as the one getting raped is not married to someone else(cuz that would be adultery)
If every man is a sinner and the bible was writen by men...
How do you explain Noahs Arc? Really? No one else had a boat? He got 2 of every animal, which are spread out over the entire planet? Alot of animals EAT other animals, what did they eat on that boat, if not each other? This is but one of MANY illogical tellings of the bible.
Fear of eternal damnation in the fiery pits of hell is a strong recruitment tool, especialy for the young, dont you think? Especially when the other alternative given is eternaly happiness and bliss in heaven.. Im sure some people have the better safe then sorry mindset.
Sorry just read through some things on this post and wanted to give my opinion, althought I fully expect that the only response to my post will be along the lines of blind faith, believing anyways, and no real answers to the clear lack of all logic.
However, you are entitled to your own believes and views, and so am I, these are just some of mine on the subject.
You know, I have wondered about most of the same things you mentioned in your post here. How can people who say they believe in God prove that these things really did happen? If so, why don't these 'miraculous situations' happen today? I would like to know.
Today, (as it was earlier in history), nearly every religious adherent relies upon false attributions of situations/events to supernatural causes. Back when, it was attributing thunder to "thunder g-ds/g-ddesses" or crop growth to sacrificing virgins. Nowadays, you'll see human assistance for victims of subtropical storm "Sandy" being falsely attributed to supernatural egregores which lack substantive evidence of even existing. May as well resume sacrificing virgins for all the effect that has on outcomes.
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So why is that christians can not even decide amongst each other on specifics and have so many denominations? (Cathlic, Protestan, Lutheran, Morman, to name but a few) And what about the missing books from the bible? There are clearly chapters (or gospels) missing, why is that? Something the old church did not want the general public to know? At any rate its missing.
And what about the MAJORITY of the world that is not christian, but rather muslim jewish budist, ect. Are they all screwed eternaly, most of them because they were brought up in a different part of the world and were taught differently? If you think most people are christian you are wrong, look it up. Christians vs the rest of religion and those without religion, christianity is far out numbered.
So someone who rapes and murders can repent and get into heaven, but someone who does nothing worse then some non violent sins will be cast to hell for not beleiving?
Why is one of the 10 commandments saying 'the lords' name in vain (as in, saying his name with a bad additude, like 'goddamnit that sucks' or in surprise, like jesus christ that scared me. BUT RAPE is not a commandment, as long as the one getting raped is not married to someone else(cuz that would be adultery)
If every man is a sinner and the bible was writen by men...
How do you explain Noahs Arc? Really? No one else had a boat? He got 2 of every animal, which are spread out over the entire planet? Alot of animals EAT other animals, what did they eat on that boat, if not each other? This is but one of MANY illogical tellings of the bible.
Fear of eternal damnation in the fiery pits of hell is a strong recruitment tool, especialy for the young, dont you think? Especially when the other alternative given is eternaly happiness and bliss in heaven.. Im sure some people have the better safe then sorry mindset.
Sorry just read through some things on this post and wanted to give my opinion, althought I fully expect that the only response to my post will be along the lines of blind faith, believing anyways, and no real answers to the clear lack of all logic.
However, you are entitled to your own believes and views, and so am I, these are just some of mine on the subject.
I just wanted to take some time to answer the questions you are having. I think these are some of the same questions a lot of lost people experence. I want to start from the bottom and work my way up going through each one of your questions at a time. First, hell was originally made for satan and his angels (fallen angels.) Satan was originally an angel of light, but not being the highest in command angered satan and he wanted to cast God down and be head. However, God is alpowerful and allknowing. He damned satan. Satan got to Eve and Eve tempted Adam into doing something that was not right. Adam brought upon all the future generations the fleshly lust to sin. God knew they needed a sacrifice to cover there transgressions. He knew people needed a way of salvation and to repent (change their mind and come to God) about their sins. He sent His only begotten Son to earth born through a virgin that fullfilled multiple prophesies as proof that He indeed is the Son of God. Jesus Christ was brought up til around the age of thirty. He healed the sin and forgave sins. The before offeringsa made before His time was a sign of accepting the sacrifice to come. Jesus Christ died on the cross in a brutal way as sacrifice to pay for our sins. He rose from the dead. He does not demand that everyone be saved, but offers the free choice. Many people do not want to think their is a hell, but Jesus Christ paid our sins. All we have to do is accept that with faith. When we do not accept it we reject God which is what satan did. That is what sends people to hell.
About Noah's ark, it has been discovered resting in the mountains of Ararat. Scientists have done tests and confirmed that it is indeed the ark. I cannot post links according to Fusion Cash rules, but if you go to youtube or search engine like google you can type,"Noah's ark mount Ararat proof," and it will come up.
The Bible was not written by men. It was penned by men. This means God wrote the Bible, but moved through men to write it. The Word has always been and is a part of God.
Rape is against the Bible. If we look up the story of Tamar in the KJV Bible (King James is accurate compared to the Greek and Chaldean translations) we see the story of how Tamar was rapped. He was killed for it.
Salvation changes people. If someone had rapped somebody or killed someone they change afterwards because they have the Holy Ghost which gives us spiritual discenment. I beleive it was Saul I mentioned before. He had been a Christian killer and God saved him and used him to lead others to salvation. Think of how many Americans fought and died for the saving of others. I think of Crazy Horse who paid a price for Native Americans.
Denominatons are rapedly changing. A lot of the seperation is due to the fact that people misinterperate the Bible or choose to beleive only the parts they want too. Some might refere to it as being half hearted. Nondenominational means people that go there don't really beleive the same thing, but do not want any specific code of conduct for their lives. I am an Independant Missionary supporting Baptist. That means we stick to the King James Version Bible because it is the only completly accurate English translation of the Bible that I know of. I want to be in church with people who stand for the Bible.
I hope that helps you get a better insight. I am interested in charing a more scientific side of Christianity as well. This is basically where I can disprove evelution. Charles Darwin got saved before he passed away. Albert Einstein supported Christianity as well. There is a scientist you can check out on youtube named Kent Howind.
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So why is that christians can not even decide amongst each other on specifics and have so many denominations? (Cathlic, Protestan, Lutheran, Morman, to name but a few) And what about the missing books from the bible? There are clearly chapters (or gospels) missing, why is that? Something the old church did not want the general public to know? At any rate its missing.
And what about the MAJORITY of the world that is not christian, but rather muslim jewish budist, ect. Are they all screwed eternaly, most of them because they were brought up in a different part of the world and were taught differently? If you think most people are christian you are wrong, look it up. Christians vs the rest of religion and those without religion, christianity is far out numbered.
So someone who rapes and murders can repent and get into heaven, but someone who does nothing worse then some non violent sins will be cast to hell for not beleiving?
Why is one of the 10 commandments saying 'the lords' name in vain (as in, saying his name with a bad additude, like 'goddamnit that sucks' or in surprise, like jesus christ that scared me. BUT RAPE is not a commandment, as long as the one getting raped is not married to someone else(cuz that would be adultery)
If every man is a sinner and the bible was writen by men...
How do you explain Noahs Arc? Really? No one else had a boat? He got 2 of every animal, which are spread out over the entire planet? Alot of animals EAT other animals, what did they eat on that boat, if not each other? This is but one of MANY illogical tellings of the bible.
Fear of eternal damnation in the fiery pits of hell is a strong recruitment tool, especialy for the young, dont you think? Especially when the other alternative given is eternaly happiness and bliss in heaven.. Im sure some people have the better safe then sorry mindset.
Sorry just read through some things on this post and wanted to give my opinion, althought I fully expect that the only response to my post will be along the lines of blind faith, believing anyways, and no real answers to the clear lack of all logic.
However, you are entitled to your own believes and views, and so am I, these are just some of mine on the subject.
Sorry about my typing. Seems my three year old spilled something on my keyboard. It works and then it don't lol.
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So why is that christians can not even decide amongst each other on specifics and have so many denominations? (Cathlic, Protestan, Lutheran, Morman, to name but a few) And what about the missing books from the bible? There are clearly chapters (or gospels) missing, why is that? Something the old church did not want the general public to know? At any rate its missing.
And what about the MAJORITY of the world that is not christian, but rather muslim jewish budist, ect. Are they all screwed eternaly, most of them because they were brought up in a different part of the world and were taught differently? If you think most people are christian you are wrong, look it up. Christians vs the rest of religion and those without religion, christianity is far out numbered.
So someone who rapes and murders can repent and get into heaven, but someone who does nothing worse then some non violent sins will be cast to hell for not beleiving?
Why is one of the 10 commandments saying 'the lords' name in vain (as in, saying his name with a bad additude, like 'goddamnit that sucks' or in surprise, like jesus christ that scared me. BUT RAPE is not a commandment, as long as the one getting raped is not married to someone else(cuz that would be adultery)
If every man is a sinner and the bible was writen by men...
How do you explain Noahs Arc? Really? No one else had a boat? He got 2 of every animal, which are spread out over the entire planet? Alot of animals EAT other animals, what did they eat on that boat, if not each other? This is but one of MANY illogical tellings of the bible.
Fear of eternal damnation in the fiery pits of hell is a strong recruitment tool, especialy for the young, dont you think? Especially when the other alternative given is eternaly happiness and bliss in heaven.. Im sure some people have the better safe then sorry mindset.
Sorry just read through some things on this post and wanted to give my opinion, althought I fully expect that the only response to my post will be along the lines of blind faith, believing anyways, and no real answers to the clear lack of all logic.
However, you are entitled to your own believes and views, and so am I, these are just some of mine on the subject.
1. "The Bible has a historical framework. Its characters are real people living in verifiable locations during historical events. The Bible mentions Nebuchadnezzar, Sennacherib, Cyrus, Herod, Felix, Pilate, and many other historical figures. Its history coincides with that of many nations, including the Egyptian, Hittite, Persian, Babylonian, and Roman empires. The events of the Bible take place in geographical areas such as Canaan, Syria, Egypt, Mesopotamia, and others."
2. "The Bible has many confirmations in sciences such as biology, geology, astronomy, and archaeology. The field of biblical archaeology has absolutely exploded in the last century and a half, during which time hundreds of thousands of artifacts have been discovered. Just one example: at one time, skeptics used the Bible’s references to the Hittite civilization as “proof” that the Bible was a myth. There was never any such people as the “Hittites,” according to the science of the day. However, in 1876, the first of a series of discoveries was made, and now the existence of the ancient Hittite civilization is well documented. Archaeology continues to bolster the Bible’s historicity. As Dr. Henry M. Morris has remarked, “There exists today not one unquestionable find of archaeology that proves the Bible to be in error at any point.” "
3. "The Bible is written as history. Luke wrote his Gospel as “an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us . . . just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses.” Luke claims that he had “carefully investigated everything from the beginning” and so wrote “an orderly account . . . so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught” (see Luke 1:1-4). Did Luke include miracles in his account? Yes, many of them. But they were miracles verified by eyewitnesses. Two thousand years later, a skeptic might call Luke’s account a “myth,” but the burden of proof rests with the skeptic. The account itself is a carefully investigated historical document."
4. "The Bible contains over 1,800 predictions concerning more than 700 separate subjects found in over 8,300 verses. The Old Testament contains more than 300 prophecies concerning Jesus Christ alone, many with amazing specificity. Numerous prophecies have already been fulfilled, and they have come to pass precisely as foretold. The mathematical odds of someone making this number of predictions and having every one of them come to pass are light-years beyond the realm of human possibility. These miraculous prophecies could only be accomplished with the supernatural guidance of Him who sees the beginning from the end (Isaiah 46:9-10)."
5. "many who reject God and His revealed Word do so because of pride. They are so invested in their personal beliefs that they refuse to honestly weigh the evidence. To accept the Bible as true would require them to think seriously about God and their responsibility to Him. To accept the Bible as true might require a change of lifestyle. As Erwin Lutzer stated, “The truth is, few people have an open mind, especially about matters of religion. . . . Thus, perverted doctrines and prejudices are easily perpetuated from one generation to another.” "
http://www.blogos.org/exploringtheword/bible-myth.html
I chose to copy and paste, and while some may not "approve," the reports and articles, etc., explain things a lot better than I could, especially when many of these questions require in-depth answers.
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I think these are some of the same questions a lot of lost people experence.
They're not "lost"; the questions posed were challenges to religious adherents to back up their specious superstitious beliefs with something otehr than more specious superstitious beliefs. Your entire response consists of more unsubstantiated, specious religious beliefs which avoided directly answering the questions posed.
I am interested in charing a more scientific side of Christianity as well. This is basically where I can disprove evelution.
There is no "scientific side" of xtianity and and attempts pseudo-scientific nonsense have already been 'charred' to a crisp by actual science and logical refutation of those pseudo-scientific attempts by religious adherents. The evoluion debate has already ebbed and flowed on FC forums before and it's etremely doubtful that a faith-blinded fundie can "disprove evelution[sic]" though, you're welcome to try, (although it's extrapolated that you want to propagandize religious beliefs unopposed in that regard, rather than debate them).
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Regarding Noah's Ark:
"It is true that the Genesis flood account shares many striking similarities with the Babylonian Gilgamesh epic, and with the Babylonian Atrahasis epic, for that matter. In fact, literally hundreds of flood traditions have been preserved all over the world, with traditions abounding in Europe, Asia, Africa, and Australia, as well as both of the Americas, and the Genesis account shares similarities with most of them. Of the flood traditions which have survived to the present time, about 95% describe a global cataclysmic deluge, 88% tell of a favored family of humans saved from drowning to reestablish the human race after the deluge, 66% say the family was forewarned of the coming cataclysm, 66% blame the wickedness of man for the deluge, and 70% record a boat as being the means by which the chosen family (and animals) survived the flood. More than one third of these traditions mention birds being sent out from the boat.
Since every culture has descended directly from the flood’s survivors, it is logical that stories of this traumatic event are both abundant and universal, having been passed down from generation to generation. This is certainly the case. Many of these traditions are remarkably consistent, considering the relative isolation of the cultures, the length of time that has elapsed since the flood, and the human tendency to embellish, exaggerate, and distort stories over time. The Babylonian and biblical accounts of the flood appear to represent different retellings of an essentially identical flood tradition.
Skeptics want to imagine that there was, in fact, no flood and that the Bible’s flood account was borrowed from a Babylonian myth. The evidence seems to suggest otherwise: there was, in fact, a catastrophic worldwide deluge, and the veracity of the biblical account is attested to by numerous other similar ancient accounts. In addition to abundant historical evidence, there is a wealth of physical proof in favor of the flood’s historicity. The flood of Noah’s day was most certainly a real historical event, and the biblical account of what happened is trustworthy."
http://www.gotquestions.org/Flood-accounts.html
"How did Noah fit all of those animals on the ark? Was the ark big enough to fit “two of every kind… of the birds after their kind, and of the animals after their kind, of every creeping thing of the ground after its kind,” and seven of some kinds? What about food? There had to be enough room to store enough food to last Noah and his family (8 in all), plus all of the animals, at least a year (see Genesis 7:11; 8:13-18) and maybe more, depending on how long it took for vegetation to grow back. That’s a lot of food! What about drinking water? Is it realistic to believe that Noah’s boat was big enough to store all of these animals and all of this food and water for over a year?
The dimensions for the ark given in Genesis are 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide and 30 cubits high (Genesis 6:15). What is a cubit? A cubit is an ancient unit of measurement, the length of the forearm from the elbow to the longest finger (the term “cubit” comes from the Latin word “cubitum” which means “elbow.” The Hebrew word for “cubit” is “ammah.” As everybody’s arms are different lengths, this unit may seem a bit ambiguous to some, but scholars generally agree that it represents somewhere between 17 and 22 inches (43-56 centimeters). The ancient Egyptian cubit is known to have been 21.888 inches. So, doing the math,
300 x 22 inches = 6,600; 50 x 22 inches = 1,100; 30 x 22 inches = 660
6,600/12 = 550 feet; 1100/12 = 91.7 feet; 660/12 = 55 feet.
Thus, the ark could have been up to 550 feet long, 91.7 feet wide and 55 feet high. These are not unreasonable dimensions. But how much storage space does this amount to? Well, 550 x 91.7 x 55 = 2,773,925 cubic feet. (If we take the smallest measurement of cubit, 17 inches, we end up with 1,278,825 cubic feet). Of course, not all of it would have been free space. The ark had three levels (Genesis 6:16) and a lot of rooms (Genesis 6:14), the walls of which would have taken up space. Nevertheless, it has been calculated that a little more than half (54.75%) of the 2,773,925 cubic feet could store 125,000 sheep-sized animals, leaving over 1.5 million cubic feet of free space (see - http://www.icr.org/bible/bhta42.html).
John Woodmorappe, author of the definitive Noah's Ark: A Feasibility Study, estimated that only about 15% of the animals on the ark would have been larger than a sheep. This figure does not take into account the possibility that God may have brought Noah “infant” animals, which can be significantly smaller than adult animals.
How many animals were on the ark? Woodmorappe estimates about 16,000 “kinds.” What is a “kind”? The designation of “kind” is thought to be much broader than the designation “species.” Even as there are over 400 dog breeds all belonging to one species (Canis familiaris), so many species can belong to one kind. Some think that the designation “genus” may be somewhat close to the biblical “kind.”
Nevertheless, even if we presume that “kind” is synonymous with “species,” “there are not very many species of mammals, birds, amphibians and reptiles. The leading systematic biologist, Ernst Mayr, gives the number as 17,600. Allowing for two of each species on the ark, plus seven of the few so-called “clean” kinds of animals, plus a reasonable increment for known extinct species, it is obvious that not more than, say, 50,000 animals were on the ark” (Morris, 1987).
Some have estimated that there were as many as 25,000 kinds of animals represented on the ark. This is a high-end estimation. With two of each kind and seven of some, the number of animals would exceed 50,000, though not by very much, relatively speaking. Regardless, whether there were 16,000 or 25,000 kinds of animals, even with two of each and seven of some, scholars agree that there was plenty of room for all of the animals on the ark, plus food and water with room to spare.
What about all of the excrement produced by all of these animals? How did 8 people manage to feed all of those animals and deal with tons of excrement on a daily basis? What about animals with specialized diet? How did plant-life survive? What about insects? There are a thousand other questions like these which could be raised, and they are all good questions. In the minds of many, these questions are unanswerable. But they are certainly nothing new. They have been asked over and over for centuries. And in all of that time researchers have sought answers. There are now numerous, very scholarly feasibility studies which have put Noah and his ark to the test.
With over 1,200 scholarly references to academic studies, Woodmorappe’s book is “a modern systematic evaluation of the alleged difficulties surrounding Noah's Ark” (John Woodmorappe, “A Resource for Answering the Critics of Noah’s Ark,” Impact No. 273, March 1996. Institute for Creation Research, 30 January 2005 http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-273.htm). Woodmorappe claims that after years of systematically examining all of the questions which have been raised, “all of the arguments against the Ark are… found wanting. In fact, the vast majority of the anti-Ark arguments, at first superficially plausible, turn out to be easily invalidated.” "
http://www.gotquestions.org/Noahs-ark-animals.html
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http://www.blogos.org/exploringtheword/bible-myth.html
I chose to copy and paste, and while some may not "approve," the reports and articles, etc., explain things a lot better than I could, especially when many of these questions require in-depth answers.
Regardless, none of that c&p addresses the supernatural claims made by either current religious adherents nor those who cobbled-together the propaganda tracts the religious adherents call "bibles". The questions posed in the prior post were not of a dubious "historic" nature or regarding "artificats". They raised doubts concerning such "supernatural" claims made, (including those of so-called "prophesies"). Regarding those "prophesies", all your cut & paste claimed was that "Numerous prophecies have already been fulfilled, and they have come to pass precisely as foretold" but, failed to provide any actual evidence to support that claim.
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Regarding the Eternal place of punishment:
"In the shifting winds of modern cultures, the idea of everlasting torment and damnation is difficult for many people to grasp. Why is this? The Bible makes it clear that hell is a literal place. Christ spoke more about hell that He did of heaven. Not only Satan and his minions will be punished there, everyone who rejects Jesus Christ will spend eternity right along with them. A desire to reject or revise the doctrine of hell will not mitigate its flames or make the place go away. Still, the idea of eternal damnation is spurned by many, and here are some reasons for it:
The influence of contemporary thought. In this postmodern era, many go to great lengths to assure no one is offended, and the biblical doctrine of hell is considered offensive. It is too harsh, too old-fashioned, too insensitive. The wisdom of this world is focused on this life, with no thought of the life to come.
Fear. Never-ending, conscious punishment devoid of any hope is indeed a frightening prospect. Many people would rather ignore the source of fear than face it and deal with it biblically. The fact is, hell should be frightening, considering it is the place of judgment originally created for the devil and his angels (Matthew 25:41).
A flawed view of God’s love. Many who reject the idea of eternal damnation do so because they find it difficult to believe that a loving God could banish people to a place as horrific as hell for all eternity. However, God’s love does not negate His justice, His righteousness, or His holiness. Neither does His justice negate His love. In fact, God’s love has provided the way to escape His wrath: the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross (John 3:16-18).
A downplaying of sin. Some find it shockingly unfair that the recompense for a mere lifetime of sinning should be an eternal punishment. Others reject the idea of hell because, in their minds, sin isn’t all that bad. Certainly not bad enough to warrant eternal torture. Of course, it is usually our own sin that we downplay; other people might deserve hell—murderers and the like. This attitude reveals a misunderstanding of the universally heinous nature of sin. The problem is an insistence on our own basic goodness, which precludes thoughts of a fiery judgment and denies the truth of Romans 3:10 (“There is no one righteous, not even one”). The egregiousness of iniquity compelled Christ to the cross. God hated sin to death.
Aberrant theories. Another reason people reject the concept of eternal damnation is that they have been taught alternative theories. One such theory is universalism, which says that everyone will eventually make it to heaven. Another theory is annihilationism, in which the existence of hell is acknowledged, but its eternal nature is denied. Annihilationists believe that those who end up in hell will eventually die and cease to exist (i.e., they will be annihilated). This theory simply makes hell a temporary punishment. Both these theories are presented as viable options to the biblical teaching on hell; however, both make the mistake of placing human opinion over divine revelation.
Incomplete teaching. Many contemporary pastors who do believe in the doctrine of hell consider it simply too delicate a subject to preach on. This further contributes to the modern denial of hell. Congregants in churches where hell is not preached are ignorant of what the Bible says on the subject and are prime candidates for deception on the issue. A pastor’s responsibility is “to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints” (Jude 1:3), not pick and choose what parts of the Bible to leave out.
Satan’s ploys. Satan’s first lie was a denial of judgment. In the Garden of Eden, the serpent told Eve, “You will not surely die” (Genesis 3:4). It is still one of Satan’s main tactics. “The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers” (2 Corinthians 4:4), and the blindness he produces includes a denial of God’s holy decrees. Convince the unsaved that there is no judgment, and they can “eat, drink and be merry” with no care for the future.
If we understand the nature of our Creator, we should have no difficulty understanding the concept of hell. “[God] is the Rock, His works are perfect, and all His ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is He” (Deuteronomy 32:4, emphasis added). His desire is that no one perish but that all come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9).
To contradict the Bible’s teaching on hell is to say, essentially, “If I were God, I would not make hell like that.” The problem with such a mindset is its inherent pride—it smugly suggests that we can improve on God’s plan. However, we are not wiser than God; we are not more loving or more just. Rejecting or revising the biblical doctrine of hell carries a sad irony, which one writer put this way: “The only result of attempts, however well meaning, to air-condition hell is to assure that more and more people wind up there.” "
http://www.gotquestions.org/eternal-damnation.html
Once again, I copied and pasted, as it would take too long to respond with my own words - the articles and reports, etc., give more in-depth information than I could do. Some don't "approve" of copy/paste, but if it helps to get points across, aids in research, gives a much clearer and concise answer, and is properly credited to the person/s or site/s, I do not personally have an issue with reading copy/pasted replies. I do hope, that whether anyone agrees with these answers or not, that you will at least have an open mind enough to read through and see what is said, with what they have provided as evidence. Thank you.
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So why is that christians can not even decide amongst each other on specifics and have so many denominations? (Cathlic, Protestan, Lutheran, Morman, to name but a few) And what about the missing books from the bible? There are clearly chapters (or gospels) missing, why is that? Something the old church did not want the general public to know? At any rate its missing.
And what about the MAJORITY of the world that is not christian, but rather muslim jewish budist, ect. Are they all screwed eternaly, most of them because they were brought up in a different part of the world and were taught differently? If you think most people are christian you are wrong, look it up. Christians vs the rest of religion and those without religion, christianity is far out numbered.
So someone who rapes and murders can repent and get into heaven, but someone who does nothing worse then some non violent sins will be cast to hell for not beleiving?
Why is one of the 10 commandments saying 'the lords' name in vain (as in, saying his name with a bad additude, like 'goddamnit that sucks' or in surprise, like jesus christ that scared me. BUT RAPE is not a commandment, as long as the one getting raped is not married to someone else(cuz that would be adultery)
If every man is a sinner and the bible was writen by men...
How do you explain Noahs Arc? Really? No one else had a boat? He got 2 of every animal, which are spread out over the entire planet? Alot of animals EAT other animals, what did they eat on that boat, if not each other? This is but one of MANY illogical tellings of the bible.
Fear of eternal damnation in the fiery pits of hell is a strong recruitment tool, especialy for the young, dont you think? Especially when the other alternative given is eternaly happiness and bliss in heaven.. Im sure some people have the better safe then sorry mindset.
Sorry just read through some things on this post and wanted to give my opinion, althought I fully expect that the only response to my post will be along the lines of blind faith, believing anyways, and no real answers to the clear lack of all logic.
However, you are entitled to your own believes and views, and so am I, these are just some of mine on the subject.
Sorry about my typing. Seems my three year old spilled something on my keyboard. It works and then it don't lol.
Thank you for your answers in the previous post. You gave time and research into your answer, and don't worry about the typing end of it. We all make mistakes at one time or another, and our kids "help" us with things like that, too, lol. You were willing to try and answer and that is the important thing! :)
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Regarding the Eternal place of punishment:
http://www.gotquestions.org/eternal-damnation.html
I do hope, that whether anyone agrees with these answers or not, that you will at least have an open mind enough to read through and see what is said, with what they have provided as evidence. Thank you.
No "evidence" was provided in the previous cut & paste article posted. Instead, the a priori assumption was made that "hell" literally exists, (sans evidence of course), and other religiously-based assumptions, (also, sans evidence other than "faith"/a belief in the beliefs, in a circular fest of merry-go-round invalid basis).
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http://www.blogos.org/exploringtheword/bible-myth.html
I chose to copy and paste, and while some may not "approve," the reports and articles, etc., explain things a lot better than I could, especially when many of these questions require in-depth answers.
Regardless, none of that c&p addresses the supernatural claims made by either current religious adherents nor those who cobbled-together the propaganda tracts the religious adherents call "bibles". The questions posed in the prior post were not of a dubious "historic" nature or regarding "artificats". They raised doubts concerning such "supernatural" claims made, (including those of so-called "prophesies"). Regarding those "prophesies", all your cut & paste claimed was that "Numerous prophecies have already been fulfilled, and they have come to pass precisely as foretold" but, failed to provide any actual evidence to support that claim.
"A major factor in determining when Obadiah’s prophecies against Edom were fulfilled rests on when the book was written. The prophet mentions a recent invasion of Jerusalem (1:10-11), which helps to narrow down the date of writing. Jerusalem experienced four different invasions in Old Testament times, yet only two fit the time period under discussion in Obadiah. The early date would be about 841 B.C., when the Philistines and Arabians attacked Jerusalem during the reign of King Jehoram (2 Chronicles 21:16-17). The later date would be approximately 586 B.C., following the invasion of Babylon (2 Kings 24-25).
If the earlier date is correct, Obadiah would be the earliest of the prophetic books in the Old Testament. Those who hold this position refer to 2 Kings 8:20, which mentions Edom setting up its own king: “In his days Edom revolted from the rule of Judah and set up a king of their own.” Also used to support this date are comparisons of 2 Chronicles 21:16-17 with Joel 3:3-6 and Obadiah 1:11-12; as well as similarities between Obadiah 1:1-9 and Jeremiah 49:7-22.
If the later date is correct, the prophecy of Obadiah regarding Edom’s doom is more dramatic. Babylon completed its invasion of Jerusalem under King Nebuchadnezzar in 586 B.C. In the fifth century B.C., a people called the Nabateans defeated the Edomites and forced them from the city of Petra. The interval between prediction and fulfillment would, therefore, have been very short.
Regardless of the exact date, the predictions against Edom have already been fulfilled. Edom was removed from its land in the fifth century B.C., and there are no survivors of Edom today. This fulfilled the prediction in Obadiah 1:18: “They shall burn them and consume them, and there shall be no survivor for the house of Esau.” Some first-century leaders, such as Herod the Great, still traced their ancestry to Edom, but all mention of Edomites fades after the Jewish Wars of that era. At the end of the 4th century, Jerome referenced the land of Idumea (Edom), but the people of the region had long since disappeared."
http://www.gotquestions.org/prophecies-against-Edom.html
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" Revelation 4:1 introduces a section of Scripture that details “things which must be hereafter.” What follows are prophecies of the “end times.” We have not yet reached the tribulation, the revelation of the Antichrist, or other “end-time” events. What we do see is a “preparation” for those events.
Jesus said that the last days would be preceded by several things: many false Christs would come, deceiving many; we would “hear of wars and rumors of wars”; and there would be an increase in “famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in diverse places. All these are the beginning of sorrows” (Matthew 24:5-8). Today’s news is full of false religions, warfare, and natural disasters. We know that events of the tribulation period will include all that Jesus predicted (Revelation 6:1-8); current events seem to be a build-up for greater trouble ahead.
Paul warned that the last days would bring a marked increase in false teaching. “In later times, some will abandon the faith, and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons” (1 Timothy 4:1). The last days are described as “perilous times” because of the increasingly evil character of man and because of people who actively “oppose the truth” (2 Timothy 3:1-9; also see 2 Thessalonians 2:3). The list of things people will be in the last days—lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power—(2 Timothy 3:1-2) seems to fit our modern age exactly.
Can there be any doubt that the prophecies concerning apostasy are being fulfilled? Our 21st-century world has embraced moral relativism, a philosophy which is tainting even the church. For example, many denominations are having a hard time defining marriage as being between one man and one woman, and many religious leaders today are openly supporting homosexuality. The Bible has become subordinate to the modern church’s quest for a more appealing “truth.” These are indeed “perilous times” spiritually.
The formation of the European Union—and the fact that we have a reunified Germany—is very interesting in light of biblical prophecy. The “ten toes” of Daniel 2:42 and the ten-horned beasts of Daniel 7:20 and Revelation 13:1 are references to a “revived” Roman Empire which will hold power before Christ returns. Although the precise political structure has yet to be formed, the pieces can be seen as falling into place.
In 1948, Israel was recognized as a sovereign state, and this, too, has ramifications for the student of Scripture. God promised Abram that his posterity would have Canaan as “an everlasting possession” (Genesis 17:8), and Ezekiel prophesied a physical and spiritual resuscitation of Israel (Ezekiel 37). Having Israel as a nation in its own land is important in light of end-time prophecy, because of Israel’s prominence in eschatology (Daniel 10:14; 11:41; Revelation 11:8).
While there is no biblical proof that the things mentioned above are the fulfillment of specific end-times prophecies, we can see how many of these events are similar to what the Bible describes. In any case, we are to be watching for these signs because Jesus told us that the day of the Lord—His return for His own—would come like a thief in the night (2 Peter 3:10), unexpected and unannounced. “Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man" (Luke 21:36)."
http://www.gotquestions.org/fulfilled-prophecy.html
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http://www.gotquestions.org/prophecies-against-Edom.html
The cut & paste is using "biblical" references of "prophesies" in a circular manner to try 'proving' biblical references of prophesies. That's illogical, irrational and not very intelligent to boot.
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Revelation 4:1
http://www.gotquestions.org/fulfilled-prophecy.html
The cut & paste is using "biblical" references of "prophesies" in a circular manner to try 'proving' biblical references of prophesies. That's illogical, irrational and not very intelligent to boot.
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" Divine intervention is, simply put, God intervening in the affairs of the world. Divine intervention can be God causing something to happen or God preventing something from happening. Atheists, agnostics, and deists can find alternate explanations for even the most clearly miraculous events. Some believers see examples of divine intervention everywhere, interpreting seemingly random events as clear instruction from God to go one direction instead of another. So, does God intervene in the affairs of the world? If so, are there any undeniable examples of this divine intervention? Has God left any fingerprints on His handiwork?
The believer can point to many examples of God’s intervention. Everything from the defeat of the Spanish Armada to the existence of modern-day Israel is cited as proof that God has intervened in history. Of course, there are also the miracles of the Bible, recorded by eyewitnesses to the events, and creation itself—”the heavens are telling,” as Haydn put it.
But, for the atheist, agnostic, and deist, there is an alternate explanation for everything. There was recently a television program which attempted to explain away the miracles of the Bible. One episode was dedicated to the Red Sea crossing (see Exodus chapter 14). Scientists came up with several theories, including temporary land-bridges caused by underwater volcanic activity or an underwater earthquake which caused a tsunami, which resulted in the water depth being temporarily very low at the location Moses and the Israelites crossed the Red Sea. While the theories were scientifically possible, there was no explanation for how the event occurred at precisely the right moment for the Israelites to cross, but the Egyptians to be destroyed when they attempted to follow. Even if the event itself could be explained naturally, it stretches credulity to deny the supernatural timing of the event. But, again, for the person who denies the existence and/or activity of God in the world, any miracle can be explained away by attributing it to coincidence, hysteria, or delusion. If you look for reasons not to believe, you’re sure to find some.
At the opposite end of the spectrum are believers who view virtually everything as an example of divine intervention. A good parking spot being open is clearly a miracle from God. A sudden gust of wind or the chance meeting of a friend is clearly a sign from God to move in a different direction. While this mindset is more biblical than the approach a deist might take, it poses serious problems. Interpreting virtually everything as divine intervention can lead to very subjective conclusions. We tend to read into things what we want. It is tempting to study cloud shapes to find “proof” for what we want God’s will to be instead of truly seeking God’s will in a biblical manner (Romans 12:1-2).
Biblically speaking, God definitely intervenes in the affairs of the world (see Genesis through Revelation). God is sovereign (Psalm 93:1; 95:3; Jeremiah 23:20; Romans 9). Nothing happens that God does not ordain, cause, or allow. We are constantly surrounded by divine intervention, even when we are ignorant of it or blind to it. We will never know all of the times and all of the ways God intervenes in our lives. Divine intervention can come in the form of a miracle, such as a healing or supernatural sign. Divine intervention can also come in the form of a seemingly random event which directs us in the way God wants us to go.
But the Bible does not instruct us to seek hidden spiritual meanings in everyday life events. While we should be aware that God does intervene, we should not spend every waking minute trying to decode secret messages from above. Believers seek God’s Word for direction (2 Timothy 3:16-17) and are led by the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 5:18). We are to obey the one source in which we know God has indeed spoken, His Word (Hebrews 4:12)."
http://www.gotquestions.org/divine-intervention.html
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What Evidence will Satisfy Hard Core Unbelief?
By Robin Schumacher
"I was listening to a debate that occurred a few years ago between Dr. William Lane Craig and Dr. Mike Begon on the topic of Is God a Delusion? During the Q&A period that followed the debate, one member of the audience asked Dr. Begon (who took the position that God is a delusion) what type of evidence and criteria he’d require to believe that God is not a delusion.
Begon’s answer was very enlightening.
After first making the rather strange statement that it wasn’t up to him to write experiments for the questioner, he stammered through an answer of how he and others like Richard Dawkins had been asking for evidence for a long time and, according to him, none has ever been brought forth. He then said he was “open minded” and offered to review any evidence offered him.
When Dr. Craig was allowed to respond, he asked the audience member, “You still haven’t heard the answer have you? It’s just astonishing!” In fact, Craig was right as Begon didn’t provide what the person had asked for.
As someone who has debated and dialoged with many atheists over the years, I’ve asked the same question and gotten a similar response most of the time. Such experience really begs the question: When it comes to the Christian worldview, what kind of evidence does it take to satisfy someone who possesses a hard core unbelief?
What is Evidence?
Because many unbelievers say there is no evidence that supports Christianity, it’s first helpful to understand what evidence actually is. One dictionary defines evidence as follows:
1. that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof.
2. something that makes plain or clear; an indication or sign.
3. Law . data presented to a court or jury in proof of the facts in issue and which may include the
testimony of witnesses, records, documents, or objects.
This helps frame what evidence is, but next we need to turn to how evidence is evaluated and used to reach a decision about a particular argument or proposal. The definition provides some clues to this, but in general, the broad answer that the study of epistemology in philosophy supplies is that a conclusion is typically ascertained from an appeal to the best explanation, which results from a combination of singular or cumulative rational and empirical tests, philosophical and logical arguments, and/or eyewitness testimony. Down through the years, Christian apologists have delivered arguments for the Christian worldview that meet these guidelines. Rational and empirical evidence such as the fine tuning of the universe and DNA, which is mathematically identical to a language and bears all the marks of an intelligent source, have been identified. Philosophical arguments from the origin of the universe, to objective moral values, and others have been provided to skeptics. And using the legal/historical method, examples such as the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus clearly demonstrate all the classic worth that eyewitness testimony brings to any courtroom.
Usually, all these arguments are flippantly brushed aside by hardened skeptics, not because of their value, but instead because of two reasons: (1) It goes against their a priori commitment to philosophical naturalism; (2) It’s not what they really want.
Because God is a supernatural being, the bottom line is unbelievers want to see a supernatural sign or be handed undisputable evidence of one. They want an act that demonstrates the existence of something beyond the natural world. They want to see a miracle in the same vein as the unbelieving religious leaders back in the time of Christ when they said to Jesus: “Teacher, we want to see a sign from You” (Matthew 12:38). If only they could see a miracle, then they would believe.
However, the sad truth is that a bona fide miracle won’t convince many hard core unbelievers. In fact, the Bible spells this out quite clearly. Let me give you a couple of examples of what I mean, first from the life of Jesus and then from Paul.
Dead Men Do Tell Tales
John 11 contains the well known story of the death and resurrection of Lazarus. After four days in the tomb, Lazarus is brought back to life by a simple command from Jesus in front of many eyewitnesses. This historical episode is verified for us today by the Church of Lazarus on Larnaca, where Lazarus eventually ended up after being raised by Jesus. When archaeologists uncovered his sarcophagus on Larnaca over which the church now stands, they found an inscription which is roughly translated “Lazarus, Bishop of Larnaca. Four days dead. Friend of Jesus”.
After Lazarus was raised, John tells us that some of the eyewitnesses reported to the Pharisees what Jesus had done (cf. John 11:46). Shortly thereafter, a banquet is held with Lazarus and Jesus being in attendance. Then we read something amazing: “The large crowd of the Jews then learned that He was there; and they came, not for Jesus’ sake only, but that they might also see Lazarus, whom He raised from the dead. But the chief priests planned to put Lazarus to death also; because on account of him many of the Jews were going away and were believing in Jesus” (John 12:9–11).
Working backwards, we see that Lazarus’ resurrection had a strong apologetic effect on “many of the Jews”. But what about the hard core crowd? Amazingly, not only do the Pharisees still want to kill Jesus after His miraculous work, but they also plan to murder Lazarus because he’s now become a thorn in their side. Isn’t it incredible how far hardened belief will go to suppress the truth?
The Fickle Crowd at Lystra
In Acts 14, we’re told that Paul and Barnabas had been working their way through a number of towns preaching about Christ. When they came to the town of Lystra, the Bible says that there was a man who had been lame from birth that was listening to Paul preach. Paul sees that the man has faith and calls out for him to stand up and he does! For the first time in his life, the man can walk – a genuine miracle takes place.
This event bowls the folks at Lystra over in a major way. In fact, they’re so in awe of Paul and Barnabas that they say, “The gods have become like men and have come down to us.” The people actually start the process of offering sacrifices to Paul and Barnabas; something the missionary pair promptly put a stop to. Even then, the Bible says: “And even saying these things, they with difficulty restrained the crowds from offering sacrifice to them (Acts 14:18). Obviously, unbelief had lost and belief in Christ had won in Lystra that day, right?
Wrong.
The very next verse in Acts says: “But Jews came from Antioch and Iconium, and having won over the multitudes, they stoned Paul and dragged him out of the city, supposing him to be dead.” Amazing, isn’t it? The same city that had to be restrained from offering sacrifices to Paul and Barnabas are quickly persuaded to change their minds via a crew of hardened unbelievers and stand in agreement as their former hero is stoned (perhaps to death) and dragged away. Such a thing just leaves you breathless doesn’t it?
The Biggest Miracle of All
The Bible is littered in both the Old and New Testaments with more examples of hard core unbelief seeing a miracle and then turning away from God, but let’s finish by looking at the biggest example of them all.
When the Pharisees asked Jesus to jump through some miraculous hoops for them, He refused and said: “An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth” (Matthew 12:39–40).
Jesus said they’d get a sign that would be THE sign for all generations. But what happened when Christ provided them with His resurrection miracle? Matthew tells us that the very guards the religious leaders put in charge of guarding Jesus’ tomb witness the event and afterwards “went into the city and told the chief priests all that had taken place. And when they had assembled with the elders and taken counsel, they gave a sufficient sum of money to the soldiers and said, “Tell people, ‘His disciples came by night and stole him away while we were asleep.’ And if this comes to the governor’s ears, we will satisfy him and keep you out of trouble.””.
The end result of Jesus’ miraculous resurrection to the hard core skeptics was a cover up to avoid the truth and a plot to spread unbelief to others. That’s how hardened unbelief reacts to miracles.
The truth is, while unbelievers like Dr. Mike Begon and others like him say they are open to evidence, many times they are not, even to the point of evidence that contains a real miracle. Their self-imposed moniker of “free thinker” shows their mind to be anything but free where God is concerned.
Again, the Bible spells this fact out in a crystal clear way. When Jesus relayed the story of the rich man in Hades (cf. Luke 16:19-31), the man begs to have someone go to his five brothers from the dead and warn them to repent of their sins and unbelief in God. The response he’s given is that they have the Word of God to listen to, which is enough. When the man pleads for a miracle instead that his brothers can see, he is told: “If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead” (Luke 16:31).
After 2,000+ years, we see how right this statement is where hard core unbelief is concerned. Nothing ever seems to be enough.
But is the hardened unbeliever a hopeless case? Not at all because nothing is impossible with God (cf. Luke 1:37). In fact, we read in Acts how many of the unbelieving religious leaders became obedient to the faith (cf. Acts 6:7), but we need to realize that such a thing – for every unbeliever – is a gift of God who is the only one that can break through the barrier of unbelief."
http://www.blogos.org/compellingtruth/unbelief.html
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"Divine intervention is, simply put, God intervening in the affairs of the world. So, does God intervene in the affairs of the world? If so, are there any undeniable examples of this divine intervention? Has God left any fingerprints on His handiwork?"
http://www.gotquestions.org/divine-intervention.html
There is no unambiguous evidence to support claims of "divine intervention", which means that any such claim is a specious one of false attribution. That's dishonest on the part of the religious claimants.
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http://www.gotquestions.org/prophecies-against-Edom.html
The cut & paste is using "biblical" references of "prophesies" in a circular manner to try 'proving' biblical references of prophesies. That's illogical, irrational and not very intelligent to boot.
That's your choice to see it that way. When it comes down to the bottom line, anyone who is so dead set against any kind of information given to support, or give research to support many of the questions, will always see it as "illogical, circular, irrational, unintelligent, not proof enough, not evidence, etc." It's very obvious of your choice to deny anything offered from anyone, yet we really never see you try and disprove any of the information offered. Perhaps you are a little nervous that if you really research and try to disprove info given, that you will find things you don't want to find that would point to the truth that you refuse to acknowledge or have an open mind about?
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"Divine intervention is, simply put, God intervening in the affairs of the world. So, does God intervene in the affairs of the world? If so, are there any undeniable examples of this divine intervention? Has God left any fingerprints on His handiwork?"
http://www.gotquestions.org/divine-intervention.html
There is no unambiguous evidence to support claims of "divine intervention", which means that any such claim is a specious one of false attribution. That's dishonest on the part of the religious claimants.
Disprove it, then. Did you read through it and perhaps do your own research about it, so that you can disprove "divine intervention?" Others have experienced it in their lives and know it to be so. You refuse to come back with "disproof," so your response does not counteract the "false attribution" you are trying to claim.
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"What is Evidence?
Because many unbelievers say there is no evidence that supports Christianity, it’s first helpful to understand what evidence actually is. One dictionary defines evidence as follows:
1. that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof.
2. something that makes plain or clear; an indication or sign.
3. Law . data presented to a court or jury in proof of the facts in issue and which may include the
testimony of witnesses, records, documents, or objects.
This helps frame what evidence is, but next we need to turn to how evidence is evaluated and used to reach a decision about a particular argument or proposal. The definition provides some clues to this, but in general, the broad answer that the study of epistemology in philosophy supplies is that a conclusion is typically ascertained from an appeal to the best explanation, which results from a combination of singular or cumulative rational and empirical tests, philosophical and logical arguments, and/or eyewitness testimony.
Down through the years, Christian apologists have delivered arguments for the Christian worldview that meet these guidelines. Rational and empirical evidence such as the fine tuning of the universe and DNA, which is mathematically identical to a language and bears all the marks of an intelligent source, have been identified."
What is being overlooked there is that neither the universe nor DNA are as 'fine-tuned' as is being glossed-over. Further, arguing backwards
from a predetermined conclusion to a presumed premise is irrational and illogical, (that is, arguing that an "intelligent design requires an intelligent designer" is such a backwards 'argument').
"Philosophical arguments from the origin of the universe, to objective moral values, and others have been provided to skeptics."
None of that constitutes evidence, even under the definition parameters provided above by the article's author.
"And using the legal/historical method, examples such as the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus clearly demonstrate all the classic worth that eyewitness testimony brings to any courtroom."
Such "eye-witness testimony" is so often in error, based upon misperceptions and/or just plain lies that it is not accepted at face value as "evidence" but, needs corroborating supporting evidence, (which is not more 'witness testimony'). Cross-examination often reveals testimonial inconsistancies, (lies).
"Usually, all these arguments are flippantly brushed aside by hardened skeptics, not because of their value, but instead because of two reasons:"
(1) There's nothing 'flippant" about refuting what does and does not constitute "evidence", according to the definition parameters provided by the author of this cut & paste article.
(2) Such dubious 'biblical references' in support of biblical reference and circular, unreasoned non-arguments.
http://www.blogos.org/compellingtruth/unbelief.html
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"Divine intervention is, simply put, God intervening in the affairs of the world. So, does God intervene in the affairs of the world? If so, are there any undeniable examples of this divine intervention? Has God left any fingerprints on His handiwork?"
http://www.gotquestions.org/divine-intervention.html
There is no unambiguous evidence to support claims of "divine intervention", which means that any such claim is a specious one of false attribution. That's dishonest on the part of the religious claimants.
Disprove it, then. You refuse to come back with "disproof..."
That's not how burden of proof works, as you've been told numerous times. The initial claimant, (that's you, whether you're using someone else's words to front for you or not), has the burden of proving "divine intervention". False attributions do not constitute evidence supporting such religious claims. Such claims are therefore rendered false.
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... anyone who is so dead set against any kind of information given to support ...
That's not "information", the cut & paste was specious religious propaganda based on previous specious religious propaganda to "support" more religious superstition in a circular illogic-fest of irrationality of less than epic proportions.
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This is the way you should do. Good for you.
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I have followed your posts from some time, and I was worried about your situation. It seems you have found peace in your life, and I am so happy for you.
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I have followed your posts from some time, and I was worried about your situation. It seems you have found peace in your life, and I am so happy for you.
Yes I have had a "not so great" ride, especially with my fiance. Seems now that my eyes are on God I don't even have to control my mouth when he says something offensive because it doesn't even offend me anymore, I have peace. I also think the change in my behavior has settled him down a bit. I am the fiance I've always wanted to be!
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Thanks for your concerning advice, but since we differ in what/how we believe/dis-believe, I will stay with my belief in my Lord, and am happy for her choice when it obviously gives her joy, peace, and confidence in God. :)
Encouraging superstitious religious self-delusion isn't doing anyone any favors.
It does give a good laugh though.
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PRAISE THE LORD! I am so happy for you, continue to put him first in your life and he will direct your path. Be blessed! :angel12:
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I praise the good Lord for you! I pray that everyone will come to know the Lord Jesus as their savior, especially now in this turmoil we are going through.
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I have always put my life in the Lords hand. For without the Lord's grace and mercy I would not be on Earth today. The Lord has carried me so many times when I really could not physically and mentally function and carry on with my life. For all the troubles that are too big to carry, I give to the Lord.
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I'll be honest, the last time I opened a bible and started reading from the beginning I put it down in about 5 minutes. People living to 200 to 300 years old? Only books I've read that have claimed that are all fantasy or fiction, and as thus I treat the bible that way.
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If he isn't real I don't want to find out because the joy that I am feeling is amazing
That's a very sad thing to say. There is life after delusion.
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Seems now that my eyes are on God I don't even have to control my mouth when he says something offensive because it doesn't even offend me anymore, I have peace.
Stay with a verbally abusive boyfriend because you found the lint in your belly button your car keys Jesus? Sounds perfectly healthy.
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We all have the right to believe in GOD and our faith. Although there are some who would like to turn us into another direction, which i suppose could be satan calling , So just ignore those and continue believing as you like.
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I'll be honest, the last time I opened a bible and started reading from the beginning I put it down in about 5 minutes. People living to 200 to 300 years old? Only books I've read that have claimed that are all fantasy or fiction, and as thus I treat the bible that way.
The Bib;le has been proven many times. For instance, Noah's ark has been found, whiteness testified to Jesus Christ ressucrection in the Bible and outside of the Bible, their of scientific facts in the Bible that where rediscovered far after the Bible was pinned, and when we look at true Creation we see the proofs of a master creator. For instance, there is a name related to God that could sceintists think could date back around 6,000 or 7,000 years ago. Then when we actually see the fossil record human bones are scattered throughout it showing that they did not evolve. The ceolocanth was said to be one of the most important, "missing links," in evelution. However, they where discovered to be still alive and well and in the same state today. Charles Darwin called his thoughts of evelution a sceptic idea from ignorant days. He got saved before he passed away. If people just look for the proof its everywhere. Dragons where proven to be real, and they where talked about in the Bible as well as unicorns. It might sound far fetched to someone who has never researched these things, but when you get into the information is vast.
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Regarding Noah's Ark:
"It is true that the Genesis flood account shares many striking similarities with the Babylonian Gilgamesh epic, and with the Babylonian Atrahasis epic, for that matter. In fact, literally hundreds of flood traditions have been preserved all over the world, with traditions abounding in Europe, Asia, Africa, and Australia, as well as both of the Americas, and the Genesis account shares similarities with most of them. Of the flood traditions which have survived to the present time, about 95% describe a global cataclysmic deluge, 88% tell of a favored family of humans saved from drowning to reestablish the human race after the deluge, 66% say the family was forewarned of the coming cataclysm, 66% blame the wickedness of man for the deluge, and 70% record a boat as being the means by which the chosen family (and animals) survived the flood. More than one third of these traditions mention birds being sent out from the boat.
Since every culture has descended directly from the flood’s survivors, it is logical that stories of this traumatic event are both abundant and universal, having been passed down from generation to generation. This is certainly the case. Many of these traditions are remarkably consistent, considering the relative isolation of the cultures, the length of time that has elapsed since the flood, and the human tendency to embellish, exaggerate, and distort stories over time. The Babylonian and biblical accounts of the flood appear to represent different retellings of an essentially identical flood tradition.
Skeptics want to imagine that there was, in fact, no flood and that the Bible’s flood account was borrowed from a Babylonian myth. The evidence seems to suggest otherwise: there was, in fact, a catastrophic worldwide deluge, and the veracity of the biblical account is attested to by numerous other similar ancient accounts. In addition to abundant historical evidence, there is a wealth of physical proof in favor of the flood’s historicity. The flood of Noah’s day was most certainly a real historical event, and the biblical account of what happened is trustworthy."
http://www.gotquestions.org/Flood-accounts.html
"How did Noah fit all of those animals on the ark? Was the ark big enough to fit “two of every kind… of the birds after their kind, and of the animals after their kind, of every creeping thing of the ground after its kind,” and seven of some kinds? What about food? There had to be enough room to store enough food to last Noah and his family (8 in all), plus all of the animals, at least a year (see Genesis 7:11; 8:13-18) and maybe more, depending on how long it took for vegetation to grow back. That’s a lot of food! What about drinking water? Is it realistic to believe that Noah’s boat was big enough to store all of these animals and all of this food and water for over a year?
The dimensions for the ark given in Genesis are 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide and 30 cubits high (Genesis 6:15). What is a cubit? A cubit is an ancient unit of measurement, the length of the forearm from the elbow to the longest finger (the term “cubit” comes from the Latin word “cubitum” which means “elbow.” The Hebrew word for “cubit” is “ammah.” As everybody’s arms are different lengths, this unit may seem a bit ambiguous to some, but scholars generally agree that it represents somewhere between 17 and 22 inches (43-56 centimeters). The ancient Egyptian cubit is known to have been 21.888 inches. So, doing the math,
300 x 22 inches = 6,600; 50 x 22 inches = 1,100; 30 x 22 inches = 660
6,600/12 = 550 feet; 1100/12 = 91.7 feet; 660/12 = 55 feet.
Thus, the ark could have been up to 550 feet long, 91.7 feet wide and 55 feet high. These are not unreasonable dimensions. But how much storage space does this amount to? Well, 550 x 91.7 x 55 = 2,773,925 cubic feet. (If we take the smallest measurement of cubit, 17 inches, we end up with 1,278,825 cubic feet). Of course, not all of it would have been free space. The ark had three levels (Genesis 6:16) and a lot of rooms (Genesis 6:14), the walls of which would have taken up space. Nevertheless, it has been calculated that a little more than half (54.75%) of the 2,773,925 cubic feet could store 125,000 sheep-sized animals, leaving over 1.5 million cubic feet of free space (see - http://www.icr.org/bible/bhta42.html).
John Woodmorappe, author of the definitive Noah's Ark: A Feasibility Study, estimated that only about 15% of the animals on the ark would have been larger than a sheep. This figure does not take into account the possibility that God may have brought Noah “infant” animals, which can be significantly smaller than adult animals.
How many animals were on the ark? Woodmorappe estimates about 16,000 “kinds.” What is a “kind”? The designation of “kind” is thought to be much broader than the designation “species.” Even as there are over 400 dog breeds all belonging to one species (Canis familiaris), so many species can belong to one kind. Some think that the designation “genus” may be somewhat close to the biblical “kind.”
Nevertheless, even if we presume that “kind” is synonymous with “species,” “there are not very many species of mammals, birds, amphibians and reptiles. The leading systematic biologist, Ernst Mayr, gives the number as 17,600. Allowing for two of each species on the ark, plus seven of the few so-called “clean” kinds of animals, plus a reasonable increment for known extinct species, it is obvious that not more than, say, 50,000 animals were on the ark” (Morris, 1987).
Some have estimated that there were as many as 25,000 kinds of animals represented on the ark. This is a high-end estimation. With two of each kind and seven of some, the number of animals would exceed 50,000, though not by very much, relatively speaking. Regardless, whether there were 16,000 or 25,000 kinds of animals, even with two of each and seven of some, scholars agree that there was plenty of room for all of the animals on the ark, plus food and water with room to spare.
What about all of the excrement produced by all of these animals? How did 8 people manage to feed all of those animals and deal with tons of excrement on a daily basis? What about animals with specialized diet? How did plant-life survive? What about insects? There are a thousand other questions like these which could be raised, and they are all good questions. In the minds of many, these questions are unanswerable. But they are certainly nothing new. They have been asked over and over for centuries. And in all of that time researchers have sought answers. There are now numerous, very scholarly feasibility studies which have put Noah and his ark to the test.
With over 1,200 scholarly references to academic studies, Woodmorappe’s book is “a modern systematic evaluation of the alleged difficulties surrounding Noah's Ark” (John Woodmorappe, “A Resource for Answering the Critics of Noah’s Ark,” Impact No. 273, March 1996. Institute for Creation Research, 30 January 2005 http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-273.htm). Woodmorappe claims that after years of systematically examining all of the questions which have been raised, “all of the arguments against the Ark are… found wanting. In fact, the vast majority of the anti-Ark arguments, at first superficially plausible, turn out to be easily invalidated.” "
http://www.gotquestions.org/Noahs-ark-animals.html
I appreciate that you took the time to reference this, but lets thinks about it as the Bible puts it. We have two of every kind one male and one female. There is no specific size of every animal. We just have a general idea. We also know that Noah and his wife and his sons and their wives where on the ark. We know that there was a dove that went out of the ark to check the flood levels. There was likely an established area for the animal excess to be burned as well as a food supply stock. We also know that not every single animal had to go into the ark, just one set of male and female to every general kind. For instance the wolf and another of the sort, but not every single breed of dog. You also went back and forth between your information. At one point you said 50,000 and at another 25,000. As you mentioned there could have been new born animals brought into the ark, but we do not know that. There is a big difference between the many adult and infant mamels. Therefor any idea measurement cannot be right. Some animals might have been adults where others where infants. The Hawains also have a story of a boat. However there as people learn to speak various languages and narry into additional cultures new stories are formed off of the original. For example, take the Neho Yeha which means, "Navajo Shoe Game." This story says that animals played a game for a chance to conquer for either domination over the day or night. However, in the story the owl cheated. This supposedly ended up with the division of day from night. This story has spinned into various other myths of the Navajo, Tuscarora, and Lakota tales. However that is just a point that stories get changed and changed. Still, we have to look towards the beginning and the beginning was the Bible. If we date back every single religion and faith we get the Bible before we get anything else.
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Still, we have to look towards the beginning and the beginning was the Bible. If we date back every single religion and faith we get the Bible before we get anything else.
No, there were many "pagan" mythologies and cultures extant well before the ones mentioned by "bibles". There is abundant, solid evidence of this while there is no evidence whatsoever to support the religious claims above. Such claims are false, (lies), because they aen't true and rely upon empty belief.
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It does give a good laugh though.
Sure, at first it's all fun and laughs ... then the inquisitions and crusades start and it turns to something else entirely.
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Seems now that my eyes are on God I don't even have to control my mouth when he says something offensive because it doesn't even offend me anymore, I have peace.
Stay with a verbally abusive boyfriend because you found the lint in your belly button your car keys Jesus? Sounds perfectly healthy.
Ah,queeny!Haven't heard your nonsense in quite a while!
Must be how you escaped being put on ignore.......
Fixed. ;D
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Seems now that my eyes are on God I don't even have to control my mouth when he says something offensive because it doesn't even offend me anymore, I have peace.
Stay with a verbally abusive boyfriend because you found the lint in your belly button your car keys Jesus? Sounds perfectly healthy.
Ah,queeny!Haven't heard your nonsense in quite a while!
Must be how you escaped being put on ignore.......
Speaking of deluded nonsense; does that 'ignoring' by not ignoring escape the ignorance of a faith-blinded fundie or, is it trapped in the same darkness?
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Seems now that my eyes are on God I don't even have to control my mouth when he says something offensive because it doesn't even offend me anymore, I have peace.
Stay with a verbally abusive boyfriend because you found the lint in your belly button your car keys Jesus? Sounds perfectly healthy.
Ah,queeny!Haven't heard your nonsense in quite a while!
Must be how you escaped being put on ignore.......
Fixed. ;D
You just lost the argument with that single action.
Nice one.
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Seems now that my eyes are on God I don't even have to control my mouth when he says something offensive because it doesn't even offend me anymore, I have peace.
Stay with a verbally abusive boyfriend because you found the lint in your belly button your car keys Jesus? Sounds perfectly healthy.
Ah,queeny!Haven't heard your nonsense in quite a while!
Must be how you escaped being put on ignore.......
Fixed. ;D
You just lost the argument with that single action.
Nice one.
That fundie doesn't 'argue'; he simply makes specious religious pronouncements and then pretends to put those who refute it alternately on and off "ignore" while continuing to gossip about those he's 'not-ignoring'. That's been deemed as using FC's ignore button incorrectly as an "ostrich button."
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I have followed your posts from some time, and I was worried about your situation. It seems you have found peace in your life, and I am so happy for you.
Yes I have had a "not so great" ride, especially with my fiance. Seems now that my eyes are on God I don't even have to control my mouth when he says something offensive because it doesn't even offend me anymore, I have peace. I also think the change in my behavior has settled him down a bit. I am the fiance I've always wanted to be!
I know you have had plenty of ups and downs with him. Please be cautious with him - if he continues to offend you over and over, take things into consideration. You are committing to a marriage with him - will he change for the better, the worse, or stay the same? Will he be supportive of your decision with God? You don't have to or need to answer these - they are just "thought" questions, since I do know you've gone through some rough rides - I just want to make sure you are going to be okay. {{{Hugs}}} :) :heart:
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Today I am on a mission to get a bible - specifically I want the Joyce Meyer version because I like how she explains some words further and how she has life points and how to apply certain scripture to your life. Now that I have turned my life to God there are a lot of questions I have, right now (today) I am struggling with not necessarily hatred but dislike towards someone and would like to read some versus on how to deal with that and cast it away.
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Today I am on a mission to get a bible - specifically I want the Joyce Meyer version because I like how she explains some words further and how she has life points and how to apply certain scripture to your life. Now that I have turned my life to God there are a lot of questions I have, right now (today) I am struggling with not necessarily hatred but dislike towards someone and would like to read some versus on how to deal with that and cast it away.
I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers. I hope you find the version you want! :)
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If this is a personal and private religious decision, why must it be broadcast here? What purpose does announcing that one has become immersed in religious superstition, blind to reason and self-deceived by empty faith to anyone else except to proselytize?
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If this is a personal and private religious decision, why must it be broadcast here? What purpose does announcing that one has become immersed in religious superstition, blind to reason and self-deceived by empty faith to anyone else except to proselytize?
Probably because she is sharing it with those who are interested or care about her issue. As for the purpose, it's her business, based on what is in her life and what she is doing; not yours!
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If this is a personal and private religious decision, why must it be broadcast here? What purpose does announcing that one has become immersed in religious superstition, blind to reason and self-deceived by empty faith to anyone else except to proselytize?
Probably because she is sharing it with those who are interested or care about her issue.
It's still proselytizing a specious religious belief.
As for the purpose, it's her business, based on what is in her life and what she is doing; not yours!
No one forced her to broadcast such 'publically' however, once they do, others have the same option to respond to it as she had to announce it. Such responses are the business of the respondants and not yours. If I choose to oppose such 'public' announcements in the same forums as those are made, I will.
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If this is a personal and private religious decision, why must it be broadcast here? What purpose does announcing that one has become immersed in religious superstition, blind to reason and self-deceived by empty faith to anyone else except to proselytize?
Probably because she is sharing it with those who are interested or care about her issue.
It's still proselytizing a specious religious belief.
As for the purpose, it's her business, based on what is in her life and what she is doing; not yours!
No one forced her to broadcast such 'publically' however, once they do, others have the same option to respond to it as she had to announce it. Such responses are the business of the respondants and not yours. If I choose to oppose such 'public' announcements in the same forums as those are made, I will.
And I did the same by responding as I did. I chose and I did. You were making a big deal of questioning her privilege of posting what she did - when just like you typed - "Such responses are the business of the respondents (whom she was speaking to) and not yours." Excellent advice for you, as well, I would say! Thanks for enlightening everyone with this, lol. ::)
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Those who choose religious blind faith over rationality have blinded themselves with superstition and closed their minds to reason. Mourn their passing.
Excellent advice ...
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Those who choose religious blind faith over rationality have blinded themselves with superstition and closed their minds to reason. Mourn their passing.
Excellent advice ...
Everyone passes; nice try. Your mind is closed to reason, too, by seemingly becoming a little "irrational" in its "desperation" of minding others' choices of believing what and how they want. Mourn its passing...
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Your mind is closed to reason, too, by seemingly becoming a little "irrational" ...
On the contrary, your misperceptions concerning my ability to reason are irrationally-irrelevant since my mind is demonstrably not closed to reason. Unfortunately for religious adherents, it is apparently required to eschew rational thinking and any vestiges of an ability to reason while embracing empty beliefs and blinding oneself with faith, sans evidence. Embracing the exact same religious superstitious beliefs lead its followers to instigate the crusades, inquistions, witch hunts and heinous cultural assimulations commited by 'xtians'.
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Your mind is closed to reason, too, by seemingly becoming a little "irrational" ...
On the contrary, your misperceptions concerning my ability to reason are irrationally-irrelevant since my mind is demonstrably not closed to reason. Unfortunately for religious adherents, it is apparently required to eschew rational thinking and any vestiges of an ability to reason while embracing empty beliefs and blinding oneself with faith, sans evidence. Embracing the exact same religious superstitious beliefs lead its followers to instigate the crusades, inquistions, witch hunts and heinous cultural assimulations commited by 'xtians'.
The usual blah, blah, blah!!! *Clapping hands for your performance* ::)
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The usual blah, blah, blah!!!
I know, that's all you xtians have; repetitious faith-blinded rerun requotes. Opposing viewpoints to the same specious religious nonsense are not likely to be much different from the unchanging religious contentions which continue to lack any substantive evidence.
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I am so glad you shared that story/experience. I was raised in church and as you said came to a point where I was bored by it and didn't want to go. Now I am still not all that big on church itself but I have church every day in my heart and mind. I came to a place where God showed me I was looking for love, peace and happiness in people, places and things that was never going to give it. Now I am living the verse thanks to my wonderful christian mother "raise a child in the way they should go and when they are older they will not depart from it". Thanks again for sharing your experience, it was inspiring. :wave:
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Here Here phx0808 I am SO in agreement with you on that one! ;D
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I was raised in church ...
Then you were indoctrinated in a superstitious belief system at an age too young to discern fact from fiction and don't even realize it. That's unfortunate.
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thats good i try but cant seem to do it
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Isn't it GREAT, I don't have to worry, because if it's my time, I get to go with God and if it's not my time, I get to stay here on earth and do FusionCash...
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Regardless of how other people view you, just remember that YOU have found peace and joy. If someone else gets it from another source, well, good for them. Good for you!!!
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I used to think my Mom was crazy when she said she talked to God and he gave her visions, ect. My Mom has been a christian her whole life and I remember going to church with her although I hated going in the end because it was boring. I have always questioned whether God is real and how do you know if he is real. The other night, I was going to bed, and all the sudden he spoke to me. I wasn't looking for him, I wasn't thinking about him...he came to me on his own. I don't know why this happened, part of me thinks it's because I know my Mom prays for me all of the time. I understand, "nothing compares to the promise I have in you" now...I understand everything my Mom was talking about all this time. It's nice to know that I can talk to her about what I'm experiencing because I know she knows exactly what I'm talking about. I think it was Gods gift to me to have me think my Mom was crazy before he called me back that way I can see Christian experiences through a non-believers eye and know to be careful what I share and when.
It's like the things I have been trying to change for YEARS he changed in a matter of minutes. I never want to go back to how I was. I feel so much joy, peace, love, confidence, I'm like the person I've always wanted to be and MORE joy is pouring out of me. I just want the whole world to feel the joy that I feel in God. I feel like he is always with me guiding me through the day, I find myself naturally thanking him throughout the day and I even downloaded music that I used to think was so goofy when I was a teen but now I just want to sing out to him.
I can't thank God enough for revealing himself to me and changing me. I will never forget the night that he spoke to me and changed my life.
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Good luck with your imaginary friend. I hope you come to your senses when you grow up.
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I used to think my Mom was crazy when she said she talked to God and he gave her visions, ect. My Mom has been a christian her whole life and I remember going to church with her although I hated going in the end because it was boring. I have always questioned whether God is real and how do you know if he is real. The other night, I was going to bed, and all the sudden he spoke to me. I wasn't looking for him, I wasn't thinking about him...he came to me on his own. I don't know why this happened, part of me thinks it's because I know my Mom prays for me all of the time. I understand, "nothing compares to the promise I have in you" now...I understand everything my Mom was talking about all this time. It's nice to know that I can talk to her about what I'm experiencing because I know she knows exactly what I'm talking about. I think it was Gods gift to me to have me think my Mom was crazy before he called me back that way I can see Christian experiences through a non-believers eye and know to be careful what I share and when.
It's like the things I have been trying to change for YEARS he changed in a matter of minutes. I never want to go back to how I was. I feel so much joy, peace, love, confidence, I'm like the person I've always wanted to be and MORE joy is pouring out of me. I just want the whole world to feel the joy that I feel in God. I feel like he is always with me guiding me through the day, I find myself naturally thanking him throughout the day and I even downloaded music that I used to think was so goofy when I was a teen but now I just want to sing out to him.
I can't thank God enough for revealing himself to me and changing me. I will never forget the night that he spoke to me and changed my life.
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Good luck with your imaginary friend. I hope you come to your senses when you grow up.
Good luck trying to find anyone to take you seriously when you insult people's world view.I hope you come to your senses when you grow up.
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Good luck trying to find anyone to take you seriously when you insult people's world view.I hope you come to your senses when you grow up.
Good luck finding anyone who isn't as self-deluded and faith-blinded to take your superstitious beliefs seriously. There's no evidence to support a contention that you'll ever "grow up"; mentally or emotionally.
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The only thing "imaginary" is the thought that people take your nonsense seriously.
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The only thing "imaginary" is the thought that people take your nonsense seriously.
No, there's nothing "imaginary" about rational thinking and logical reasoning, whereas your religious superstitions are entirely based on the imaginary fictions deriving from blind religious faith.
Now, go pretend to put these posts on 'ignore' so that you don't have to see your nonsense being refuted again.
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It's really unfortunate that some people worry about others' reasoning abilities so much that they become obsessive compulsive with feeling like they have to constantly hound them, instead of enjoying their own choices in life. Other people's choices in life do not affect the some, yet the some are so obsessed with the hounding, that it begins to make others wonder what is wrong with the some's mentality. It makes others wonder why the some don't seem to be content in their own personal choice...
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It's really unfortunate that some people worry about others' reasoning abilities ...
Not nearly as "unfortunate" as those who fail to use any remnant of reasoning abilities which may have survived their self-deluding blind religious faith.
Other people's choices in life do not affect the some ...
Sure, religious zealots "choices" to instigate the crusades, (at least four of those, resulting in hundreds of thousands of deaths), inquisitions, (more than more, with more deaths resulting), witch hunts and forced cultural assimulations don't affect others ... unless you're able to use reasoning abilities.
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It's really unfortunate that some people worry about others' reasoning abilities ...
Not nearly as "unfortunate" as those who fail to use any remnant of reasoning abilities which may have survived their self-deluding blind religious faith.
Other people's choices in life do not affect the some ...
Sure, religious zealots "choices" to instigate the crusades, (at least four of those, resulting in hundreds of thousands of deaths), inquisitions, (more than more, with more deaths resulting), witch hunts and forced cultural assimulations don't affect others ... unless you're able to use reasoning abilities.
*Little violins playing* - oh boo hoo - you just cannot let go of your intolerance and wrongful accusations to Christians. I'm so sorry you are struggling so hard with your pride with this.
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Other people's choices in life do not affect the some ...
Sure, religious zealots "choices" to instigate the crusades, (at least four of those, resulting in hundreds of thousands of deaths), inquisitions, (more than more, with more deaths resulting), witch hunts and forced cultural assimulations don't affect others ... unless you're able to use reasoning abilities.
*Little violins playing* - oh boo hoo ...
That's your response to the responsibility of xtian zealots, (who believed exactly the same superstitious crap as you do), for the deaths of millions, and you call me "intolerant"? You're a hypocritical, faith-blinded xtian fundie by your own choice.
- you just cannot let go of your intolerance and wrongful accusations to Christians.
I am "intolerant" of xtian-instigated crusades, xtian-instigated inquisitions, xtian-instigated witch hunts, xtian-instigated forced cultural assimulations and xtian-instigated attempts to disassociate themselves from other xtian zealots who believed the same superstitions.
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It's really unfortunate that some people worry about others' reasoning abilities ...
Not nearly as "unfortunate" as those who fail to use any remnant of reasoning abilities which may have survived their self-deluding blind religious faith.
Other people's choices in life do not affect the some ...
Sure, religious zealots "choices" to instigate the crusades, (at least four of those, resulting in hundreds of thousands of deaths), inquisitions, (more than more, with more deaths resulting), witch hunts and forced cultural assimulations don't affect others ... unless you're able to use reasoning abilities.
Same ol same ol..........Why dont you just fess up...you just dont wanna be accountable to a Creator and live by His rules!!The hatred,dislikes,etc wouldnt exist in you if you didnt believe a Creator existed.The time you spend to discredit that God exists only proves more that you know He exists...it is your hatred for HIM that comes out as an imaginary being.SOOOOOOO obvious.Why dont you just say i dont agree with what God has done or his rules etc.He gave you freedom of choice to exercise your ignorance....and you do it well!!
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It's really unfortunate that some people worry about others' reasoning abilities ...
Not nearly as "unfortunate" as those who fail to use any remnant of reasoning abilities which may have survived their self-deluding blind religious faith.
Other people's choices in life do not affect the some ...
Sure, religious zealots "choices" to instigate the crusades, (at least four of those, resulting in hundreds of thousands of deaths), inquisitions, (more than more, with more deaths resulting), witch hunts and forced cultural assimulations don't affect others ... unless you're able to use reasoning abilities.
Same ol same ol..........Why dont you just fess up...you just dont wanna be accountable to a Creator and live by His rules!!The hatred,dislikes,etc wouldnt exist in you if you didnt believe a Creator existed.The time you spend to discredit that God exists only proves more that you know He exists...it is your hatred for HIM that comes out as an imaginary being.SOOOOOOO obvious.Why dont you just say i dont agree with what God has done or his rules etc.He gave you freedom of choice to exercise your ignorance....and you do it well!!
Thank you for stating the obvious.
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Thank you for stating the obvious.
The only thing "obvious" about such a specious religious rant is its irrationality.
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Why dont you just fess up...you just dont wanna be accountable to a Creator and live by His rules!!
There is no logical reason to "be accountable" to some hypothetical supernatural egregore which has no evidence of existing. Doing so would be irrational.
The time you spend to discredit that God exists only proves more that you know He exists...
That's illogical; no evidence has been provided to "prove" the claim that such a hypothetical supernatural egregore exists, (that burden of proof is on you religious zealots who claim it, not on those who challenge you fundies to substantiate your claim).
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Other people's choices in life do not affect the some ...
Sure, religious zealots "choices" to instigate the crusades, (at least four of those, resulting in hundreds of thousands of deaths), inquisitions, (more than more, with more deaths resulting), witch hunts and forced cultural assimulations don't affect others ... unless you're able to use reasoning abilities.
*Little violins playing* - oh boo hoo ...
That's your response to the responsibility of xtian zealots, (who believed exactly the same superstitious crap as you do), for the deaths of millions, and you call me "intolerant"? You're a hypocritical, faith-blinded xtian fundie by your own choice.
- you just cannot let go of your intolerance and wrongful accusations to Christians.
I am "intolerant" of xtian-instigated crusades, xtian-instigated inquisitions, xtian-instigated witch hunts, xtian-instigated forced cultural assimulations and xtian-instigated attempts to disassociate themselves from other xtian zealots who believed the same superstitions.
Since they are of the past, you are entitled to your intolerance of all of that, just as I am. You have a big problem separating Christians living for the Lord, from those particular ones of the past. Christians try hard to follow His command to love all, and that's your problem refusing to come to terms, not the Christians on this forum, or outside of this forum. You must think your words are set in stone, but you have another thing coming. You obsess so much about this subject, that it really sounds like you absolutely know that God is there, but you do not wish to give up your intolerance and hate toward Christians, and it's obvious you do not wish to be accountable to God. Your choice. Others choose God. Get over it, please.
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Since they are of the past, you are entitled to your intolerance of all of that, just as I am. You have a big problem separating Christians ...
The xtian zealots of the past who committed the atrocities of the crusades, inquisitions, wwitch hunts and forced-assimulations of other cultures held the same central religious beliefs as xtian adherrents do today. There is no separation between the same belief system from then and now, much as xtians would prefere to distance themselves from thier 'fellow' xtians who held to the same religious belief system. Don't like your choice? You made it; live with it.
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Why dont you just fess up...you just dont wanna be accountable to a Creator and live by His rules!!
There is no logical reason to "be accountable" to some hypothetical supernatural egregore which has no evidence of existing. Doing so would be irrational.
The time you spend to discredit that God exists only proves more that you know He exists...
That's illogical; no evidence has been provided to "prove" the claim that such a hypothetical supernatural egregore exists, (that burden of proof is on you religious zealots who claim it, not on those who challenge you fundies to substantiate your claim).
Its a waste of time trying to prove to you God exists.Im actually bewildered how you consume so much time and energy saying the same garbage.Thats why it comes from a strong dislike from you to fuel it and you NOT wanting to be accountable to him.Of course you would never admit i was right but you dont need to....its that obvious.
So continue on with your radishes and wheel chair.Lets have some fun at least....LOL.
Oh and BTW...why do you keep saying i should bring up wheelchairs with marines?I have nothing against them and id be sorry for them if they got hurt because this country made them fight in a stupid war.What i find funny is that youuuuuu......of all people were in the service defending us.LOLLLLLLLL!!!The type of guy you are im sure you werent doing it for the people anyway who the hec ru kiddding!!
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Its a waste of time trying to prove to you God exists.
Since such would require actual evidence as opposed to self-referential 'biblical' requotes and blind religious faith, it's not surprising that attempts employing such non-evidence have been singularly unsuccesful.
Im actually bewildered how you consume so much time and energy saying the same garbage.
Conversely, I'm not "bewildered" by your repetition of the same specious and irrational nonsense which is opposed by rational thinking and logical reasoning. Your beliefs are based entirely upon blind faith and an inability to reason.
So continue on with your radishes and wheel chair.Lets have some fun at least....LOL.
You're an irrational cultist with limited cognitive abilities; seek what "fun" you can.
Oh and BTW...why do you keep saying i should bring up wheelchairs with marines?I have nothing against them ...
Since you're the idiot who keeps implying that an ex-serviceman is in a "wheelchair", (I'm not but, there are those who are), you apparently do have some 'grudge' against those who were wounded while serving in the military. That's as contemptible as your superstitious religious beliefs.
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Since they are of the past, you are entitled to your intolerance of all of that, just as I am. You have a big problem separating Christians ...
The xtian zealots of the past who committed the atrocities of the crusades, inquisitions, wwitch hunts and forced-assimulations of other cultures held the same central religious beliefs as xtian adherrents do today. There is no separation between the same belief system from then and now, much as xtians would prefere to distance themselves from thier 'fellow' xtians who held to the same religious belief system. Don't like your choice? You made it; live with it.
Don't like my choice? I made my choice to live for God, through Jesus Christ. Don't like it still? Live with it. I already do, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with those horrid things of the past. Can't accept that? Your choice to be irrational and unreasonable about it. I sure do not want to be known as a hater of anyone who professes faith in Christ, spewing the things you do, just as militant atheists do. Militant atheists are the dangerous ones, with their agenda and hate of anything Christian, which is exactly what the devil promotes and enjoys. And you seem to support them. You stay accountable for your words and behavior, and I'll do the same with mine. I'm not the one hating others' choices, though...
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Also...how would you put your life in the imaginary hands of someone?
Kinda silly to depend on someone that doesnt exist!!!HAR HAR HAR!
But then again if you depend on your OWN reasoning you might be better off with that imaginary person.Less damage.
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Don't like my choice? I made my choice to live for God, through Jesus Christ.
Your decision to delude yourself with blind religious faith and belief sans evidence is yours; I oppose the specious religious belief system itself.
... and it has nothing whatsoever to do with those horrid things of the past. You stay accountable for your words and behavior, and I'll do the same with mine.
Since it's the same religious belief system as those xtian zealots who instigated and participated in at least four crusades against those who didn't believe as they did, (killing thousands upon thousands of them), the various xtian-instigated inquistions, (which killed thousands more), the xtian instigated witch hunts, (more blood on xtian hands), and the forced-assimulations of various pagan cultures, current believers in the same superstitious religion are as accountable.
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Also...how would you put your life in the imaginary hands of someone?
Kinda silly to depend on someone that doesnt exist!!!HAR HAR HAR!
I agree; it is irrational - why do you do it?
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Did i stutter in my last post?
A friendly reminder,"do you think im gonna waste my time explaining bible to you"?
Stop eating the radishes.
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Did i stutter in my last post?
Mentally? Yes, constantly. For all I know, you're sputtering and drolling too - while alternately pretending to use that "ignore" button and not using it.
A friendly reminder,"do you think im gonna waste my time explaining bible to you"?
I have no desire for you to proselytize, preach, spew, propagandize or blither. None of that constitutes valid evidence, being simply a reflection of your blind religious faith and belief-based ignorance.
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Did i stutter in my last post?
Mentally? Yes, constantly. For all I know, you're sputtering and drolling too - while alternately pretending to use that "ignore" button and not using it.
A friendly reminder,"do you think im gonna waste my time explaining bible to you"?
I have no desire for you to proselytize, preach, spew, propagandize or blither. None of that constitutes valid evidence, being simply a reflection of your blind religious faith and belief-based ignorance.
I have no need to ignore you.....i know i should but its too entertaining.You should actually ignore me more but i know you wont.
My internet was down for 4 days cos of Sandy so i need to catch up on your nonsense and its a new month to post.
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I have no need to ignore you.....i know i should
Then you have a demonstrable diminished cognitive capacity.
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Don't like my choice? I made my choice to live for God, through Jesus Christ.
Your decision to delude yourself with blind religious faith and belief sans evidence is yours; I oppose the specious religious belief system itself.
... and it has nothing whatsoever to do with those horrid things of the past. You stay accountable for your words and behavior, and I'll do the same with mine.
Since it's the same religious belief system as those xtian zealots who instigated and participated in at least four crusades against those who didn't believe as they did, (killing thousands upon thousands of them), the various xtian-instigated inquistions, (which killed thousands more), the xtian instigated witch hunts, (more blood on xtian hands), and the forced-assimulations of various pagan cultures, current believers in teh same superstitious religion are as accountable.
You can oppose all you wish - makes no never-mind to me. You can misrepresent the present with the past all you want - you are the one having the problem separating the horrid past over-zealous people who used God's name to their twisted personal agendas, from those today who genuinely love Christ and follow His commandment of loving and caring for others.
There are over-zealous people today, like the Westboro preacher, who go overboard, playing God - they are wrong for that and will be held accountable and punished for that. Your insistence of holding Christians on this forum accountable for what you are assuming were the same beliefs, is overboard, judgmental, and intolerant, and as long as you keep pushing this issue, it's showing your irrational obsession with the issue, including seeming to enjoy playing "God" yourself, to punish Christians of today, who do not agree with what happened in the past.
You have no right to judge anyone when you need to judge your own actions first. What you are doing towards Christians on this forum is no different than some of what Westboro does - trying to play "God" and using your own personal agenda of intolerance and bias toward something you don't like - in your case, GOD.
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You can oppose all you wish - makes no never-mind to me.
Thanks but, the permission of a religious fundie to do so is unnecessary.
You can misrepresent the present with the past all you want -
Try as you might, the crusades, inquisitions, witch hunts and cultural assimulation atrocities commited by xtians who held the exact same religious beliefs as xtians today.
There are over-zealous people today, like the Westboro preacher, who go overboard, playing God - they are wrong for that and will be held accountable and punished for that.
Yes, there are and there's nothing stopping such atrocities of the past from repeating themselves when there religious zealots now, just as there were to commit them in the past.
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You can oppose all you wish - makes no never-mind to me.
Thanks but, the permission of a religious fundie to do so is unnecessary.
You can misrepresent the present with the past all you want -
Try as you might, the crusades, inquisitions, witch hunts and cultural assimulation atrocities commited by xtians who held the exact same religious beliefs as xtians today.
There are over-zealous people today, like the Westboro preacher, who go overboard, playing God - they are wrong for that and will be held accountable and punished for that.
Yes, there are and there's nothing stopping such atrocities of the past from repeating themselves when there religious zealots now, just as there were to commit them in the past.
You are fitting right in with their intolerant behavior. Instead, your intolerance is towards Christians. You are no different with your attitude and bashing...
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Instead, your intolerance is towards Christians. You are no different with your attitude and bashing...
The signficant difference being that I'm not instigating crusades against those who didn't believe as I do, (nor killing thousands upon thousands of them like xtians did), nor participated the various xtian-instigated inquistions, (which killed thousands more), the xtian instigated witch hunts, (more blood on xtian hands), and the forced-assimulations of various pagan cultures.
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Instead, your intolerance is towards Christians. You are no different with your attitude and bashing...
The signficant difference being that I'm not instigating crusades against those who didn't believe as I do, (nor killing thousands upon thousands of them like xtians did), nor participated the various xtian-instigated inquistions, (which killed thousands more), the xtian instigated witch hunts, (more blood on xtian hands), and the forced-assimulations of various pagan cultures.
Really? I wasn't there. You, nor I, know what was in each of their hearts and minds. THEY WERE WRONG. You are too judgmental, way intolerant, and are no better than them in your treatment of Christians, based on your hatred of what they did. You really need to mind your own motes in your own life. They will answer for their wicked doings, just as you and I, and everyone else will answer for our words, behaviors, actions, treatment of others, etc. You are no better than I am, and commit wrongdoings as much as anyone else. God sees any wrongdoing as wrong, so go judge your own actions and attitude.
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Instead, your intolerance is towards Christians. You are no different with your attitude and bashing...
The signficant difference being that I'm not instigating crusades against those who didn't believe as I do, (nor killing thousands upon thousands of them like xtians did), nor participated the various xtian-instigated inquistions, (which killed thousands more), the xtian instigated witch hunts, (more blood on xtian hands), and the forced-assimulations of various pagan cultures.
Really? I wasn't there.
Irrelevant; the same religious belief system was there in the 'minds' of the "believers" in the same superstitious belief system which lead to those atrocities.
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It's really unfortunate that some people worry about others' reasoning abilities so much that they become obsessive compulsive with feeling like they have to constantly hound them, instead of enjoying their own choices in life. Other people's choices in life do not affect the some, yet the some are so obsessed with the hounding, that it begins to make others wonder what is wrong with the some's mentality. It makes others wonder why the some don't seem to be content in their own personal choice...
I like how the some keep us thinking about God!!! :heart: Some can be such a blessing in peoples lives when they don't even want to be! LOL :heart:
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I like how the some keep us thinking about God!!!
Faith-blinded religious zealots don't need "some" others to keep themselves deluded; they do that all on their own.
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I like how the some keep us thinking about God!!!
Faith-blinded religious zealots don't need "some" others to keep themselves deluded; they do that all on their own.
But some of us need to be reminded to keep the fire of LOVE burning. :heart: :heart: :heart: For we are all human and in need of love. Love founded on our creator is very powerful for some of us and makes us feel centered! YAYYYYY to those that feel love in their hearts!!!
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I like how the some keep us thinking about God!!!
Faith-blinded religious zealots don't need "some" others to keep themselves deluded; they do that all on their own.
But some of us need to be reminded ...
Are you implying that such blind religious faith also causes short-term memory loss as well? Perhaps some kind of clinical trial is in order then.
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I like how the some keep us thinking about God!!!
Faith-blinded religious zealots don't need "some" others to keep themselves deluded; they do that all on their own.
But some of us need to be reminded ...
Are you implying that such blind religious faith also causes short-term memory loss as well? Perhaps some kind of clinical trial is in order then.
We all are only human and we all need to be reminded of things sometimes. It is a mean ugly world and sometimes it is hard to feel love for one another and to keep the fire of love burning. :heart:
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But some of us need to be reminded ...
Are you implying that such blind religious faith also causes short-term memory loss as well? Perhaps some kind of clinical trial is in order then.
... we all need to be reminded of things sometimes.
You already said that, or had you forgotten already?
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But some of us need to be reminded ...
Are you implying that such blind religious faith also causes short-term memory loss as well? Perhaps some kind of clinical trial is in order then.
... we all need to be reminded of things sometimes.
You already said that, or had you forgotten already?
You keep bringing it up....or have you forgotten??
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But some of us need to be reminded ...
Are you implying that such blind religious faith also causes short-term memory loss as well? Perhaps some kind of clinical trial is in order then.
... we all need to be reminded of things sometimes.
You already said that, or had you forgotten already?
You keep bringing it up....or have you forgotten??
Guess you needed to be reminded... but you are only human just as we are.
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You keep bringing it up....or have you forgotten??
Guess you needed to be reminded... but you are only human just as we are.
Your delusions are pervasive; I wasn't brining it up, you were - plus, you're replying to yourself because you'd apparently forgotten what you'd just posted.
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Quote from: falcon9 on Today at 10:33:05 pm
Are you implying that such blind religious faith also causes short-term memory loss as well? Perhaps some kind of clinical trial is in order then.
My 2nd reply was to you implying that I have short-term memory loss....I figured you were intelligent enough to realize this...but like I said before...you are only human. It's ok if you make mistakes.
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But some of us need to be reminded ...
Are you implying that such blind religious faith also causes short-term memory loss as well? Perhaps some kind of clinical trial is in order then.
... we all need to be reminded of things sometimes.
My 2nd reply was to you implying that I have short-term memory loss....I figured you were intelligent enough to realize this...but like I said before...you are only human. It's ok if you make mistakes.
No mistake was made except by you; as the restored context shows, you posted that you needed to be reminded - twice in sequence. That's what I replied to, not your false twist on the actual sequence of posted replies. Apparently, you're not intelligent enough to scroll down-thread and verify this like anyone else can.
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My 2nd reply was still to you implying that I have short term memory loss....delude yourself all you want...it is what it is just like anyone can see. But that is ok you are only human just like the rest of us. You always prove this in what post.
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My 2nd reply was still to you implying that I have short term memory loss....delude ...
You're still delusional; the actual post sequence is still intact down-thread. It's a moot point, serving only to emphasize that your self-delusions are pervasive.
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My 2nd reply was still to you implying that I have short term memory loss....delude ...
You're still delusional; the actual post sequence is still intact down-thread. It's a moot point, serving only to emphasize that your self-delusions are pervasive.
It's really sad that you are in need of attention so bad! Saying that it isn't true doesn't make it not true. I really feel sorry for you. Belittling people anyway that you can really shows how little you feel inside. I hope that maybe some light will shine on you some day and you may feel some love for yourself.
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It's really sad that you are in need of attention so bad! Saying that it isn't true doesn't make it not true.
Your denial of the archived evidence of the sequence of posts doesn't obviate the verifiable evidence. Such irrationality is what puts the "blind" in 'faith'.
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My 2nd reply was still to you implying that I have short term memory loss....delude ...
You're still delusional; the actual post sequence is still intact down-thread. It's a moot point, serving only to emphasize that your self-delusions are pervasive.
I was referring to the 2nd time that I said we all need to be reminded of things...not the actual sequence of the total amount of posts. If you misunderstood...well that is ok. If it makes you feel better about yourself to pick it apart that much than I am glad that I could help. LOL :thumbsup:
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My 2nd reply was still to you implying that I have short term memory loss....delude ...
You're still delusional; the actual post sequence is still intact down-thread. It's a moot point, serving only to emphasize that your self-delusions are pervasive.
I was referring to the 2nd time that I said we all need to be reminded of things...not the actual sequence of the total amount of posts.
The sequence of posts is teh relevant context; not what your delusions imagine it to be, (and that sequence is not only archived; it's still available if anyone scrolls down-thread like I did and you didn't). That sequence includes a post where you replied to yourself in order to remind yourself that you needed to be reminded. This, apparently is due to extremely short-term memory loss, (one sign of senility).
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My 2nd reply was still to you implying that I have short term memory loss....delude ...
You're still delusional; the actual post sequence is still intact down-thread. It's a moot point, serving only to emphasize that your self-delusions are pervasive.
I was referring to the 2nd time that I said we all need to be reminded of things...not the actual sequence of the total amount of posts.
The sequence of posts is teh relevant context; not what your delusions imagine it to be, (and that sequence is not only archived; it's still available if anyone scrolls down-thread like I did and you didn't). That sequence includes a post where you replied to yourself in order to remind yourself that you needed to be reminded. This, apparently is due to extremely short-term memory loss, (one sign of senility).
Yep I did reply to myself...I was just adding an after thought. If you were willing to be kind you would have overlooked a human mistake. If you would rather be unkind about it than that is your choice. It doesn't make either one of us less human and you are just showing everyone how unkind you choose to be. I still feel love in my heart and I still pity you for your lack of kindness and love.
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Okay.
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Yep I did reply to myself...I was just adding an after thought. If you were willing to be kind you would have overlooked a human mistake. If you would rather be unkind about it than that is your choice.
You're correct in that it is my choice not to extend such "kindness" to someone who insisted upon their mistake being mine. When I make a mistake, I'll admit it and the false accusations of a religious zealot are not required in that regard.
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Yep I did reply to myself...I was just adding an after thought. If you were willing to be kind you would have overlooked a human mistake. If you would rather be unkind about it than that is your choice.
You're correct in that it is my choice not to extend such "kindness" to someone who insisted upon their mistake being mine. When I make a mistake, I'll admit it and the false accusations of a religious zealot are not required in that regard.
Contrary to what you blindly think is fact...you do not admit when you are wrong and I am sure that a lot of people would agree with me. I never said that my replying to myself was your mistake. I just said that it was true that I replied to you implying that I have short term memory by stating twice that we all need to be reminded of some things and that we are all human.
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Contrary to what you blindly think is fact...you do not admit when you are wrong and I am sure that a lot of people would agree with me.
Facts are factual data, by definition. That means not what someone blindly thinks, (such as when some religious adherent 'believes' facts are in error, sans evidence), but, something supported by evidence. In this instance, there are a few posts on FC matters where I've admitted to being in error. There are no posts where some metaphysical error was made because I haven't posted any such. Lastly, your appeal to popular opinion is a logical fallacy and this, irrational. -- http://www.logicalfallacies.info/relevance/appeals/appeal-to-popularity/
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Contrary to what you blindly think is fact...you do not admit when you are wrong and I am sure that a lot of people would agree with me.
Facts are factual data, by definition. That means not what someone blindly thinks....
Yep!! Exactly! Like YOU!! lol you are very delusional.
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Contrary to what you blindly think is fact...you do not admit when you are wrong and I am sure that a lot of people would agree with me.
Facts are factual data, by definition. That means not what someone blindly thinks....
Yep!! Exactly!
Those facts contradict yoru assertions, which makes your assertions unsubstantiated delusions.
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THAT IS A GREAT PLACE TO BE. HE WILL LEAD YOU IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION IF ONLY YOU FOLLOW. HE LOVES US ALL SO VERY MUCH AND WANTS THE BEST FOR US.
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"He" does not exist. Why do you xtians feel the need to wrap an imaginary blanket around yourselves.
THAT IS A GREAT PLACE TO BE. HE WILL LEAD YOU IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION IF ONLY YOU FOLLOW. HE LOVES US ALL SO VERY MUCH AND WANTS THE BEST FOR US.
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Isn't it amazing the peace you can find...remember he never leaves you!! Don't let others discourage you, I find it amazing how we live in a world with such freedoms but boy oh boy...some people just cannot stand you talking about God and Faith and want to destroy it. Thanks for sharing
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Isn't it amazing the peace you can find...remember he never leaves you!! Don't let others discourage you, I find it amazing how we live in a world with such freedoms but boy oh boy...some people just cannot stand you talking about God and Faith and want to destroy it. Thanks for sharing
I could only imagine the scientific advancements we could have made if religion never existed. We could have cured cancer and built self driving cars centuries ago. But that's ok, let people die of cancer and let people drive on the ground and get into accidents to make yourself feel better about your life. [sarcasm]After all, curing people of disease using prayer is always 100% more effective then actual medical treatment, right?[/sarcasm]
You do realize that religion, no matter how much it makes you feels good, harms society as a whole? I obviously realize since you are living in that bubble, that you don't see the effects on religion on society. Not only its effects today, but its effects on history. People have died and continue to die because of religion. Suicides, repressing technology, crusades, and other negative impacts on society caused by disillusioned religious adherents. Life isn't all sunshine and happiness. People actually die in reality from real diseases like cancer, and praying does not help these people in any way whatsoever. Sure, prayer may make them feel good. You know what else would make them feel good? Curing their disease.
We understand you have the freedom to believe what you want to believe, but when religion directly gets in the way to technological advancement like it has for thousands of years then you need to realize your beliefs have a direct impact on those around you. Millions upon billions of dollars are spent on religious related products that could be spent on actually feed starving children in Africa instead of praying that it might happen. Religion may donate money to these sort of programs, but it has less to do with the fact its a religion doing it and more to do with the fact that people are generally giving in the face of such atrocities. Its a simple fact that religion takes credit for the good things other people do, and when it does something that is harmful and people try to call them out on it they historically react with violence.
It is only now that we are able to speak out without getting thrown in jail, or our heads cut off and all these religious adherents are self victimizing themselves because they feel threatened by our arguments and assuming that we are trying to take away their beliefs by repressing their freedoms? Give me a break.
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;) You are lucky and fullfill in you is mom's love.
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Today I am on a mission to get a bible -
If this is a personal and private religious decision, why must it be broadcast here? What purpose does announcing that one has become immersed in religious superstition, blind to reason and self-deceived by empty faith to anyone else except to proselytize?
I was just making conversation I guess - gotta get my 30 posts in somehow :)
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congratulations to you, you seem very happy :heart: :thumbsup:
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Isn't it amazing the peace you can find...remember he never leaves you!! Don't let others discourage you, I find it amazing how we live in a world with such freedoms but boy oh boy...some people just cannot stand you talking about God and Faith and want to destroy it. Thanks for sharing
I could only imagine the scientific advancements we could have made if religion never existed. We could have cured cancer and built self driving cars centuries ago. But that's ok, let people die of cancer and let people drive on the ground and get into accidents to make yourself feel better about your life. [sarcasm]After all, curing people of disease using prayer is always 100% more effective then actual medical treatment, right?[/sarcasm]
You do realize that religion, no matter how much it makes you feels good, harms society as a whole? I obviously realize since you are living in that bubble, that you don't see the effects on religion on society. Not only its effects today, but its effects on history. People have died and continue to die because of religion. Suicides, repressing technology, crusades, and other negative impacts on society caused by disillusioned religious adherents. Life isn't all sunshine and happiness. People actually die in reality from real diseases like cancer, and praying does not help these people in any way whatsoever. Sure, prayer may make them feel good. You know what else would make them feel good? Curing their disease.
We understand you have the freedom to believe what you want to believe, but when religion directly gets in the way to technological advancement like it has for thousands of years then you need to realize your beliefs have a direct impact on those around you. Millions upon billions of dollars are spent on religious related products that could be spent on actually feed starving children in Africa instead of praying that it might happen. Religion may donate money to these sort of programs, but it has less to do with the fact its a religion doing it and more to do with the fact that people are generally giving in the face of such atrocities. Its a simple fact that religion takes credit for the good things other people do, and when it does something that is harmful and people try to call them out on it they historically react with violence.
It is only now that we are able to speak out without getting thrown in jail, or our heads cut off and all these religious adherents are self victimizing themselves because they feel threatened by our arguments and assuming that we are trying to take away their beliefs by repressing their freedoms? Give me a break.
We don't have scientific advancement such as a cure for cancer because of organizations that profit off of all the treatments and drugs that are put out there. The greed of the world is something we will always have to deal with in order to perfect out souls. Cancer and devastating things that we have to deal with in the world happen for a reason. Seeking a higher power in these times can help us get through them. I believe that there is many cures for cancer. (natural cures) The FDA would never let those things be known because there is no profit for them if people aren't taking all of there pharmaceuticals. It is sad that some people spend so much time being offended by what people believe in when they could be spending that time helping people that are in their lives and are going through pain or devastating experiences in their life. Or just extending some kind of kindness to help them feel more relaxed in themselves. People that constantly belittle others are going through something in their own lives. We all have things to deal with in our lives and no amount of belittling others are going to make those things go away.
If you are so worried about what money is being wasted....look to the greedy organizations in the food and drug industry and throughout our government! I doubt very much that they have anything to do with religion. The people in religious organizations that are greedy are just like any other greedy group of people. You find greed everywhere in this world. People find many ways to be evil and greedy! It will never be a perfect world. If it was we would not have anything to learn from. Life is just a school and when we die it is our graduation. Learn what you can and keep your mind open to all the goodness that you can gain by the evil of this world. There is gnosis to be found everywhere!
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My 2nd reply was still to you implying that I have short term memory loss....delude ...
You're still delusional; the actual post sequence is still intact down-thread. It's a moot point, serving only to emphasize that your self-delusions are pervasive.
And you, as usual, cannot let go of something unless you think you have the final and last word, authority included. Who do you think you are calling people delusional? ??? How would you even know unless you were delusional, yourself, and have experienced delusion long enough, that you can accurately predict that someone is delusional? Be a grownup and act like it, instead of acting like a :crybaby2: petulant child, stamping its feet, because it can't have its way. You are going to eventually harm yourself with that brick wall of yours. :BangHead:
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My 2nd reply was still to you implying that I have short term memory loss....delude ...
You're still delusional; the actual post sequence is still intact down-thread. It's a moot point, serving only to emphasize that your self-delusions are pervasive.
It's really sad that you are in need of attention so bad! Saying that it isn't true doesn't make it not true. I really feel sorry for you. Belittling people anyway that you can really shows how little you feel inside. I hope that maybe some light will shine on you some day and you may feel some love for yourself.
You hit the nail on the head! :thumbsup: It's the attention he's craving and enjoying, bless his wee little heart; :binkybaby: it's attention he is receiving, yet it doesn't seem to be exactly what he wants. :dontknow:
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Who do you think you are calling people delusional? ???
Someone who can accurately discern delusional behaviour/posts.
How would you even know ...
By observing the evidence, (in this instance, posted assertions), and logically determining whether or not any delusional aspects are contained in those posts. It is not necessary to be delusional in order to observe delusion, (in fact, such would likely inhibit observation). Your experiential contention is illogical and dismissed as irrelevant to context. Doubtless the previous 'drowning' metaphor completely eluded you; one doesn't have to experience drowning to know that it would be detrimental to living.
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Isn't it amazing the peace you can find...remember he never leaves you!! Don't let others discourage you, I find it amazing how we live in a world with such freedoms but boy oh boy...some people just cannot stand you talking about God and Faith and want to destroy it. Thanks for sharing
I could only imagine the scientific advancements we could have made if religion never existed. We could have cured cancer and built self driving cars centuries ago. But that's ok, let people die of cancer and let people drive on the ground and get into accidents to make yourself feel better about your life. [sarcasm]After all, curing people of disease using prayer is always 100% more effective then actual medical treatment, right?[/sarcasm]
You do realize that religion, no matter how much it makes you feels good, harms society as a whole? I obviously realize since you are living in that bubble, that you don't see the effects on religion on society. Not only its effects today, but its effects on history. People have died and continue to die because of religion. Suicides, repressing technology, crusades, and other negative impacts on society caused by disillusioned religious adherents. Life isn't all sunshine and happiness. People actually die in reality from real diseases like cancer, and praying does not help these people in any way whatsoever. Sure, prayer may make them feel good. You know what else would make them feel good? Curing their disease.
We understand you have the freedom to believe what you want to believe, but when religion directly gets in the way to technological advancement like it has for thousands of years then you need to realize your beliefs have a direct impact on those around you. Millions upon billions of dollars are spent on religious related products that could be spent on actually feed starving children in Africa instead of praying that it might happen. Religion may donate money to these sort of programs, but it has less to do with the fact its a religion doing it and more to do with the fact that people are generally giving in the face of such atrocities. Its a simple fact that religion takes credit for the good things other people do, and when it does something that is harmful and people try to call them out on it they historically react with violence.
It is only now that we are able to speak out without getting thrown in jail, or our heads cut off and all these religious adherents are self victimizing themselves because they feel threatened by our arguments and assuming that we are trying to take away their beliefs by repressing their freedoms? Give me a break.
We don't have scientific advancement such as a cure for cancer because of organizations that profit off of all the treatments and drugs that are put out there. The greed of the world is something we will always have to deal with in order to perfect out souls.
That's part of it however, "flackle" raises valid points which you religious adherents fear facing head on, (and keep posting tangential stuff to try dodging the context). That is, technological and medical advancement having been suppressed by the followers of superstitious religious belief systems.
There is gnosis to be found everywhere!
“The church says the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the church.”
-– Ferdinand Magellan
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It's really sad that you are in need of attention so bad! Saying that it isn't true doesn't make it not true.
Your denial of the archived evidence of the sequence of posts doesn't obviate the verifiable evidence. Such irrationality is what puts the "blind" in 'faith'.
Such consistent irrational obsession on your part is what makes you look the pitiful and unhappy one you come across as...
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Yep I did reply to myself...I was just adding an after thought. If you were willing to be kind you would have overlooked a human mistake. If you would rather be unkind about it than that is your choice.
You're correct in that it is my choice not to extend such "kindness" to someone who insisted upon their mistake being mine. When I make a mistake, I'll admit it and the false accusations of a religious zealot are not required in that regard.
What? No no no! You refuse to admit when you goof - it's not nice to tell stories, sir...
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It's really sad that you are in need of attention so bad! Saying that it isn't true doesn't make it not true.
Your denial of the archived evidence of the sequence of posts doesn't obviate the verifiable evidence. Such irrationality is what puts the "blind" in 'faith'.
Such consistent ...
For the most part, my responses have been consistently rational and based upon logical reasoning. Your insistence to the contrary, sans supporting evidence, (your specious 'opinion' does not constitute valid evidence), is irrational and disregarded as non-contextual.
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Contrary to what you blindly think is fact...you do not admit when you are wrong and I am sure that a lot of people would agree with me.
Facts are factual data, by definition. That means not what someone blindly thinks, (such as when some religious adherent 'believes' facts are in error, sans evidence), but, something supported by evidence. In this instance, there are a few posts on FC matters where I've admitted to being in error. There are no posts where some metaphysical error was made because I haven't posted any such. Lastly, your appeal to popular opinion is a logical fallacy and this, irrational. -- http://www.logicalfallacies.info/relevance/appeals/appeal-to-popularity/
Aww... please don't hush; please don't stop posting; please don't stop lying; please continue with your nonsense - great entertainment, falcon9!
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"He" does not exist. Why do you xtians feel the need to wrap an imaginary blanket around yourselves.
THAT IS A GREAT PLACE TO BE. HE WILL LEAD YOU IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION IF ONLY YOU FOLLOW. HE LOVES US ALL SO VERY MUCH AND WANTS THE BEST FOR US.
Then prove He doesn't exist. Until then, you are free to live by your choices, just as others are free to live by theirs. I'm tolerant of your choice to dis-believe in any god - it's just as nice and tolerant to Christians to believe in God - their choice. Fair is fair, right? My choice doesn't conflict with you, and your choice doesn't conflict with me.
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You refuse to admit when you goof - it's not nice to tell stories, sir...
On the contrary, I have admitted FC-related errors before and posted such. As regards to non-FC, (off-topic), subjects, no such errors of accuracy or logic have been made. The specious, (baseless opinions lacking supporting evidence), "opinions" of faith-blinded detractors do not constitute valid evidence due to inherent religious bias and false 'testimony'.
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"He" does not exist. Why do you xtians feel the need to wrap an imaginary blanket around yourselves.
Then prove He doesn't exist.
Prove billions of other random speculations don't exist ... your diversion is weak; religious adherents have insisted that their supernatural egregore "exists" sans evidence for millenia. To this day, some of those adherents insist upon the illogical "prove it isn't" irrationality. 'Bob' has a genie in a bottle; prove he doesn't. Sheesh.
I'm tolerant of your choice to dis-believe in any god - My choice doesn't conflict with you, and your choice doesn't conflict with me.
Of course such opposing choices conflict; they're mutually-exclusive, (like logic and faith).
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Isn't it amazing the peace you can find...remember he never leaves you!! Don't let others discourage you, I find it amazing how we live in a world with such freedoms but boy oh boy...some people just cannot stand you talking about God and Faith and want to destroy it. Thanks for sharing
I could only imagine the scientific advancements we could have made if religion never existed. We could have cured cancer and built self driving cars centuries ago. But that's ok, let people die of cancer and let people drive on the ground and get into accidents to make yourself feel better about your life. [sarcasm]After all, curing people of disease using prayer is always 100% more effective then actual medical treatment, right?[/sarcasm]
You do realize that religion, no matter how much it makes you feels good, harms society as a whole? I obviously realize since you are living in that bubble, that you don't see the effects on religion on society. Not only its effects today, but its effects on history. People have died and continue to die because of religion. Suicides, repressing technology, crusades, and other negative impacts on society caused by disillusioned religious adherents. Life isn't all sunshine and happiness. People actually die in reality from real diseases like cancer, and praying does not help these people in any way whatsoever. Sure, prayer may make them feel good. You know what else would make them feel good? Curing their disease.
We understand you have the freedom to believe what you want to believe, but when religion directly gets in the way to technological advancement like it has for thousands of years then you need to realize your beliefs have a direct impact on those around you. Millions upon billions of dollars are spent on religious related products that could be spent on actually feed starving children in Africa instead of praying that it might happen. Religion may donate money to these sort of programs, but it has less to do with the fact its a religion doing it and more to do with the fact that people are generally giving in the face of such atrocities. Its a simple fact that religion takes credit for the good things other people do, and when it does something that is harmful and people try to call them out on it they historically react with violence.
It is only now that we are able to speak out without getting thrown in jail, or our heads cut off and all these religious adherents are self victimizing themselves because they feel threatened by our arguments and assuming that we are trying to take away their beliefs by repressing their freedoms? Give me a break.
Your sarcasm and lies prove you know not what you are speaking of. While there are some religions that only pray and not use doctors, you need to be reminded that is not the norm for a Christian.
We pray, yes, because prayer has worked, does work, and will work. Not only do we pray, but we Christians donate time, food, clothes, money, and whatever is needed, to help, rebuild, provide others with things to wear, give money for research for diseases and charities; JUST LIKE NON-CHRISTIANS AND DISBELIEVERS AND OTHER RELIGIOUS PEOPLE DO.
And guess what else? We pray for the doctors - for steady hands, knowledge, guidance, wisdom as they help people, cure people, operate on people. Those doctors and surgeons are some of the most treasured and valuable members of our society, and they are not to be taken lightly, nor taken advantaged of. Many of them appreciate support, encouragement, and prayers; just as many appreciate all but do not care for prayers.
What matters here, is not your warped view of what Christians are, but the fact that Christians don't just pray to pray, and don't just pray and then sit back. They put work and action, including food, money, clothes, time, etc., with those prayers, knowing that God is involved, and doing their best to try and help save lives, provide shelter, clothes, and food, and provide funds for research work with diseases, including cancer, and so much more.
What do you actively do for others who need food, clothes, shelter, love and care, money, funds for charities and research? You should concentrate on how you can help our world and stop spreading lies about what Christians do, when you are just speaking and spewing lies and nonsense with something you don't even know the first thing about.
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Isn't it amazing the peace you can find...remember he never leaves you!! Don't let others discourage you, I find it amazing how we live in a world with such freedoms but boy oh boy...some people just cannot stand you talking about God and Faith and want to destroy it. Thanks for sharing
I could only imagine the scientific advancements we could have made if religion never existed. We could have cured cancer and built self driving cars centuries ago. But that's ok, let people die of cancer and let people drive on the ground and get into accidents to make yourself feel better about your life. [sarcasm]After all, curing people of disease using prayer is always 100% more effective then actual medical treatment, right?[/sarcasm]
You do realize that religion, no matter how much it makes you feels good, harms society as a whole? I obviously realize since you are living in that bubble, that you don't see the effects on religion on society. Not only its effects today, but its effects on history. People have died and continue to die because of religion. Suicides, repressing technology, crusades, and other negative impacts on society caused by disillusioned religious adherents. Life isn't all sunshine and happiness. People actually die in reality from real diseases like cancer, and praying does not help these people in any way whatsoever. Sure, prayer may make them feel good. You know what else would make them feel good? Curing their disease.
We understand you have the freedom to believe what you want to believe, but when religion directly gets in the way to technological advancement like it has for thousands of years then you need to realize your beliefs have a direct impact on those around you. Millions upon billions of dollars are spent on religious related products that could be spent on actually feed starving children in Africa instead of praying that it might happen. Religion may donate money to these sort of programs, but it has less to do with the fact its a religion doing it and more to do with the fact that people are generally giving in the face of such atrocities. Its a simple fact that religion takes credit for the good things other people do, and when it does something that is harmful and people try to call them out on it they historically react with violence.
It is only now that we are able to speak out without getting thrown in jail, or our heads cut off and all these religious adherents are self victimizing themselves because they feel threatened by our arguments and assuming that we are trying to take away their beliefs by repressing their freedoms? Give me a break.
We don't have scientific advancement such as a cure for cancer because of organizations that profit off of all the treatments and drugs that are put out there. The greed of the world is something we will always have to deal with in order to perfect out souls.
That's part of it however, "flackle" raises valid points which you religious adherents fear facing head on, (and keep posting tangential stuff to try dodging the context). That is, technological and medical advancement having been suppressed by the followers of superstitious religious belief systems.
There is gnosis to be found everywhere!
“The church says the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the church.”
-– Ferdinand Magellan
Well you can follow Magellan and place your faith in a shadow if that's what makes you feel happy.
Personally, I don't think anyone in here should be allowed to change the title of the original poster's thread title. When the title is only changed in just a response, it still shows the changing of the person's original title. That is wrong and facetious, not to mention out and out rude.
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It's really sad that you are in need of attention so bad! Saying that it isn't true doesn't make it not true.
Your denial of the archived evidence of the sequence of posts doesn't obviate the verifiable evidence. Such irrationality is what puts the "blind" in 'faith'.
Such consistent ...
For the most part, my responses have been consistently rational and based upon logical reasoning. Your insistence to the contrary, sans supporting evidence, (your specious 'opinion' does not constitute valid evidence), is irrational and disregarded as non-contextual.
Lol, yes in only your obsessed with Christians brain. Poor guy...
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You refuse to admit when you goof - it's not nice to tell stories, sir...
On the contrary, I have admitted FC-related errors before and posted such. As regards to non-FC, (off-topic), subjects, no such errors of accuracy or logic have been made. The specious, (baseless opinions lacking supporting evidence), "opinions" of faith-blinded detractors do not constitute valid evidence due to inherent religious bias and false 'testimony'.
It's not nice to tell stories...
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It's not nice to tell stories...
Then you aren't nice, there being archived evidence of your lies.
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"He" does not exist. Why do you xtians feel the need to wrap an imaginary blanket around yourselves.
Then prove He doesn't exist.
Prove billions of other random speculations don't exist ... your diversion is weak; religious adherents have insisted that their supernatural egregore "exists" sans evidence for millenia. To this day, some of those adherents insist upon the illogical "prove it isn't" irrationality. 'Bob' has a genie in a bottle; prove he doesn't. Sheesh.
I'm tolerant of your choice to dis-believe in any god - My choice doesn't conflict with you, and your choice doesn't conflict with me.
Of course such opposing choices conflict; they're mutually-exclusive, (like logic and faith).
In that particular "prove it" case, I was not speaking to you and already know your nonacceptance rules regarding this. So I will leave my comment to the person I directed it to. But thanks for your usual comeback...
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I could only imagine the scientific advancements we could have made if religion never existed. We could have cured cancer and built self driving cars centuries ago. But that's ok, let people die of cancer and let people drive on the ground and get into accidents to make yourself feel better about your life. [sarcasm]After all, curing people of disease using prayer is always 100% more effective then actual medical treatment, right?[/sarcasm]
You do realize that religion, no matter how much it makes you feels good, harms society as a whole? I obviously realize since you are living in that bubble, that you don't see the effects on religion on society. Not only its effects today, but its effects on history. People have died and continue to die because of religion. Suicides, repressing technology, crusades, and other negative impacts on society caused by disillusioned religious adherents. Life isn't all sunshine and happiness. People actually die in reality from real diseases like cancer, and praying does not help these people in any way whatsoever. Sure, prayer may make them feel good. You know what else would make them feel good? Curing their disease.
We understand you have the freedom to believe what you want to believe, but when religion directly gets in the way to technological advancement like it has for thousands of years then you need to realize your beliefs have a direct impact on those around you. Millions upon billions of dollars are spent on religious related products that could be spent on actually feed starving children in Africa instead of praying that it might happen. Religion may donate money to these sort of programs, but it has less to do with the fact its a religion doing it and more to do with the fact that people are generally giving in the face of such atrocities. Its a simple fact that religion takes credit for the good things other people do, and when it does something that is harmful and people try to call them out on it they historically react with violence.
It is only now that we are able to speak out without getting thrown in jail, or our heads cut off and all these religious adherents are self victimizing themselves because they feel threatened by our arguments and assuming that we are trying to take away their beliefs by repressing their freedoms? Give me a break.
Your sarcasm and lies prove you know not what you are speaking of.
His post contained no lies, as opposed to yours.
... stop spreading lies about what Christians do ...
You first.
... when you are just speaking and spewing lies and nonsense with something you don't even know the first thing about.
What "lies", be specific in your false accusations unless those false accusations are further lies on your part.
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It's not nice to tell stories...
Then you aren't nice, there being archived evidence of your lies.
Aww...there, there, now - :crybaby2: - it wasn't intended to hurt your wee little feelings - :binkybaby: - things will be okay. Keep posting and enjoying yourself and your attention - you will feel better. :angel12:
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Then prove He doesn't exist.
Prove billions of other random speculations don't exist ... your diversion is weak; religious adherents have insisted that their supernatural egregore "exists" sans evidence for millenia. To this day, some of those adherents insist upon the illogical "prove it isn't" irrationality. 'Bob' has a genie in a bottle; prove he doesn't. Sheesh.
I'm tolerant of your choice to dis-believe in any god - My choice doesn't conflict with you, and your choice doesn't conflict with me.
Of course such opposing choices conflict; they're mutually-exclusive, (like logic and faith).
In that particular "prove it" case, I was not speaking to you ...
That hasn't stopped you from interjecting comments wherein no one was "speaking to you". These are forums, anyone can comment or not. That 'not speaking to you' dodge is not selective; the 'prove something doesn't exist' demand remains illogical for the reason iterated. Your continued dodging of this point is noted as the cop-out it is.
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Aww...there, th ...
Go try being pseudo-condescending with someone dumber, like other xtians.
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I could only imagine the scientific advancements we could have made if religion never existed. We could have cured cancer and built self driving cars centuries ago. But that's ok, let people die of cancer and let people drive on the ground and get into accidents to make yourself feel better about your life. [sarcasm]After all, curing people of disease using prayer is always 100% more effective then actual medical treatment, right?[/sarcasm]
You do realize that religion, no matter how much it makes you feels good, harms society as a whole? I obviously realize since you are living in that bubble, that you don't see the effects on religion on society. Not only its effects today, but its effects on history. People have died and continue to die because of religion. Suicides, repressing technology, crusades, and other negative impacts on society caused by disillusioned religious adherents. Life isn't all sunshine and happiness. People actually die in reality from real diseases like cancer, and praying does not help these people in any way whatsoever. Sure, prayer may make them feel good. You know what else would make them feel good? Curing their disease.
We understand you have the freedom to believe what you want to believe, but when religion directly gets in the way to technological advancement like it has for thousands of years then you need to realize your beliefs have a direct impact on those around you. Millions upon billions of dollars are spent on religious related products that could be spent on actually feed starving children in Africa instead of praying that it might happen. Religion may donate money to these sort of programs, but it has less to do with the fact its a religion doing it and more to do with the fact that people are generally giving in the face of such atrocities. Its a simple fact that religion takes credit for the good things other people do, and when it does something that is harmful and people try to call them out on it they historically react with violence.
It is only now that we are able to speak out without getting thrown in jail, or our heads cut off and all these religious adherents are self victimizing themselves because they feel threatened by our arguments and assuming that we are trying to take away their beliefs by repressing their freedoms? Give me a break.
Your sarcasm and lies prove you know not what you are speaking of.
His post contained no lies, as opposed to yours.
... stop spreading lies about what Christians do ...
You first.
... when you are just speaking and spewing lies and nonsense with something you don't even know the first thing about.
What "lies", be specific in your false accusations unless those false accusations are further lies on your part.
Lies in RED. I will not respond further about this to you - you seem to be enjoying speaking for the original poster instead of letting the poster speak for the poster's own self. But, it's to be expected of you, and while we are prepared for you doing so, it doesn't mean you deserve a response, if so chosen.
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Aww...there, th ...
Go try being pseudo-condescending with someone dumber, like other xtians.
If you think I'm anywhere near obeying your orders, sir, you have another thing coming. I will choose to respond to you however I wish, when I wish, and if you can't handle it, that's your little problem to deal with. You seek attention and you are receiving it - I'm certainly not sorry or going to cower in my shoes because it's not the kind of response you really are aiming for. Have a nice afternoon. Whoa - wait!! Hold on a minute! I can't tell you to have a nice afternoon because you said you don't obey "fundies." Okay - pardon me, then - don't have a nice afternoon, because then you will feel free to have a nice afternoon because you will be disobeying a "fundie." Got it! :angel12:
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I could only imagine the scientific advancements we could have made if religion never existed. We could have cured cancer and built self driving cars centuries ago. But that's ok, let people die of cancer and let people drive on the ground and get into accidents to make yourself feel better about your life. [sarcasm]After all, curing people of disease using prayer is always 100% more effective then actual medical treatment, right?[/sarcasm]
You do realize that religion, no matter how much it makes you feels good, harms society as a whole? I obviously realize since you are living in that bubble, that you don't see the effects on religion on society. Not only its effects today, but its effects on history. People have died and continue to die because of religion. Suicides, repressing technology, crusades, and other negative impacts on society caused by disillusioned religious adherents. Life isn't all sunshine and happiness. People actually die in reality from real diseases like cancer, and praying does not help these people in any way whatsoever. Sure, prayer may make them feel good. You know what else would make them feel good? Curing their disease.
We understand you have the freedom to believe what you want to believe, but when religion directly gets in the way to technological advancement like it has for thousands of years then you need to realize your beliefs have a direct impact on those around you. Millions upon billions of dollars are spent on religious related products that could be spent on actually feed starving children in Africa instead of praying that it might happen. Religion may donate money to these sort of programs, but it has less to do with the fact its a religion doing it and more to do with the fact that people are generally giving in the face of such atrocities. Its a simple fact that religion takes credit for the good things other people do, and when it does something that is harmful and people try to call them out on it they historically react with violence.
It is only now that we are able to speak out without getting thrown in jail, or our heads cut off and all these religious adherents are self victimizing themselves because they feel threatened by our arguments and assuming that we are trying to take away their beliefs by repressing their freedoms? Give me a break.
Your sarcasm and lies prove you know not what you are speaking of.
His post contained no lies, as opposed to yours.
... stop spreading lies about what Christians do ...
You first.
... when you are just speaking and spewing lies and nonsense with something you don't even know the first thing about.
What "lies", be specific in your false accusations unless those false accusations are further lies on your part.
Lies in RED.
Those aren't "lies", they're sarcastic remarks indicating the opposite sentiments. Your false contentions are therefore rendered as lies themselves. This isn't the first time you've lied either, (as archived evidence shows).
I will not respond further about this to you - you seem to be enjoying speaking for the original poster instead of letting the poster speak for the poster's own self.
You're a hypocritical fundie who often interjects to "speak for" other xtians. Neither your interjections or anyone else's prevent the OP, (or anyone else), from replying to posts. Your objection is therefore hypocritical, specious, irrational and petulant. Even for a whiny fundie like you.
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If you think I'm anywhere near obeying your orders, sir, you have another thing coming.
Those weren't orders, it was a suggestion which you aren't required to follow. Just like I'm not going to follow any of your blindly-illogical and superstitiously-irrational 'suggestions'. Here's one 'suggestion' you will follow; you'll continue to post propagandizing religious 'verses'.
I will choose to respond to you however I wish, when I wish ...
As will I, within FC's posting parameters, (as opposed to violating them, as you fundies are doing in several threads).
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I'm so glad that you have found Jesus. I am a witness that once you get to know him, your life starts to change. You have a new feeling in your heart and soul. You have a different outlook on life. The things that used to bother you, don't even matter anymore. You learn to let go and let GOD. Once you have that joy, no one can take it away from you. I'm wishing you many Blessings and congratulations on your spiritual journey! :angel11:
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If you think I'm anywhere near obeying your orders, sir, you have another thing coming.
Those weren't orders, it was a suggestion which you aren't required to follow. Just like I'm not going to follow any of your blindly-illogical and superstitiously-irrational 'suggestions'.
I will choose to respond to you however I wish, when I wish ...
As will I, within FC's posting parameters, (as opposed to violating them, as you fundies are doing in several threads).
Not this fundie. Besides, you have no room to speak, whatsoever. But you will, of course.
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I'm so glad that you have found Jesus. I am a witness that once you get to know him, your life starts to change. You have a new feeling in your heart and soul. You have a different outlook on life. The things that used to bother you, don't even matter anymore. You learn to let go and let GOD. Once you have that joy, no one can take it away from you. I'm wishing you many Blessings and congratulations on your spiritual journey! :angel11:
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I'm so glad that you have found Jesus.
The OP posted that she made the original post mainly to attain her 30 for the posting bonus, not because "jesus" was lost and needing finding.
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I'm so glad that you have found Jesus.
The OP posted that she made the original post mainly to attain her 30 for the posting bonus, not because "jesus" was lost and needing finding.
Wow! Minding someone else's business - you must really be bored now. Carry on!
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Wow! Minding someone else's business - you must really be bored now. Carry on!
She was replying to me, you faith-blinded fundie:
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Today I am on a mission to get a bible -
If this is a personal and private religious decision, why must it be broadcast here? What purpose does announcing that one has become immersed in religious superstition, blind to reason and self-deceived by empty faith to anyone else except to proselytize?
I was just making conversation I guess - gotta get my 30 posts in somehow :)
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:thumbsup: Oh wow - what an awesome story. My mom is a christian and my grandmother was a christian (died a couple of years ago) but it took me a while to come to the realization that life without God is not much of a life and I am blessed to know he is looking out for me (For I know the plans I have for you - plans to prosper not harm you, to give you a future and a hope) Jer 29:11
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... life without God is not much of a life ...
That's disputable, on the contrary, life without such superstitious religious chains is one in which the mind is freed from those chains of blind faith.
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Wow! Minding someone else's business - you must really be bored now. Carry on!
She was replying to me, you faith-blinded fundie:
Message ID#635137-
Today I am on a mission to get a bible -
If this is a personal and private religious decision, why must it be broadcast here? What purpose does announcing that one has become immersed in religious superstition, blind to reason and self-deceived by empty faith to anyone else except to proselytize?
I was just making conversation I guess - gotta get my 30 posts in somehow :)
That's one good reason you should quote people properly. You only quoted that one part of someone's response, which was in response to the original poster's comments. So that, indeed, is how it was interpreted, by the way you posted it. Don't want people to misconstrue your quotes/postings? Then quote someone entirely or say what you mean to whom you mean. People see what's posted; they don't read your mind...
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In the hands of Love
How can a hypothetical egregore which has no valid evidence of existing have "hands" except in the faith-based belief, (sans evidence), of religious adherents?
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That's one good reason you should quote people properly. People see what's posted; they don't read your mind...
It was properly quoted in the original reply to the OP. Had you scrolled down-thread before ranting like a zealot, you would have read the intact quote and reply. No 'mind reading' was necessary, only awareness.
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That's one good reason you should quote people properly. People see what's posted; they don't read your mind...
It was properly quoted in the original reply to the OP. Had you scrolled down-thread before ranting like a zealot, you would have read the intact quote and reply. No 'mind reading' was necessary, only awareness.
Knock it off (oh wait - don't knock it off) - I keep forgetting you won't obey a "fundie." You are making excuses for your lack of proper quoting - then when someone says something, it's their fault. You give yourself way too much credibility - everyone knows you quote in such a way as to twist the context of things around for your advantage and their disadvantage. Deny all you want, though, because you don't like to admit to things like that. That's quite alright - we see and we know the truth...
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That's one good reason you should quote people properly. People see what's posted; they don't read your mind...
It was properly quoted in the original reply to the OP. Had you scrolled down-thread before ranting like a zealot, you would have read the intact quote and reply. No 'mind reading' was necessary, only awareness.
You are making excuses for your lack of proper quoting -
What excuse do you have for your cognitive dissonance? It was properly quoted in the original reply to the OP. Had you scrolled down-thread before ranting like a zealot, you would have read the intact quote and reply. No 'mind reading' was necessary, only awareness.
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No one truely answered my questions / opinions, just gave possibilities or answered it with answers that raised more questions (as in proved things by giving proof that is not possible to be proven true)
Forget all the bad logic and supernatural occurances for a minute.
Ill ask again, what about all the people in the world that are not christians, a large number of those being simply because they were raised in a different culture in a different part of the world? (and thus have had it drilled into there heads from a young age that the religion they have always been taught is the one that is true.. this applies for christians as well, but im not getting into that fact right now)
Many people will never consider christianity because of this, and so that means they are screwed? They are going to hell for not believing and/or worshiping false idols. At least that is what christians seem to believe. And the fact is there are almost as many muslims as ALL the christian denominations put together, and then you have all the other religions, as well as the non religious. Seems to me like 65-75% of the world is condemned simply by not believing - not because of any bad actions or sins. (im throwing out the number 65-70%, its not exact but I do remember seeing something about chrisianity being around 30 something %)
That does not seem very fair. And dont even get me started on the young who die (not just babys but even kids and teenagers that are not learned enough to make a true decision on the matter)
Seems to me like more people would be going to hell for reasons other then sins or being moraly bad or evil. (they may commits sins still but it is irrelevant if they are going to be condemned regardless of sinning or not)
This is only but one point I am trying to make / asking about.
By the way, I was raised christian, and went to christian school for many years. I truely believed. I grew up and started making my own desicions and looking at things from all angles and using logic and decided FOR MYSELF what to belive in. So do not tell me Im lost, or have not yet found god. I have been there, done that.
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No one truely answered my questions / opinions, just gave possibilities or answered it with answers that raised more questions (as in proved things by giving proof that is not possible to be proven true)
Forget all the bad logic and supernatural occurances for a minute.
Ill ask again, what about all the people in the world that are not christians, a large number of those being simply because they were raised in a different culture in a different part of the world? (and thus have had it drilled into there heads from a young age that the religion they have always been taught is the one that is true.. this applies for christians as well, but im not getting into that fact right now)
Many people will never consider christianity because of this, and so that means they are screwed? They are going to hell for not believing and/or worshiping false idols. At least that is what christians seem to believe.
I'm extrapolating that you'll get some faith-based replies from xtians which expressly avoid reason and logic however, I don't think your inquiry 'begs that question' so, I'll stick with logical reasoning in my response.
There is no unamiguous evidence that any religious belief is valid, (that is, constitutes an accurate methodology). That's because all of them are based upon the concept of "faith", (a belief without evidence). In turn, this means eschewing reasoning and logic to 'trust' in a superstitious mythology which has no evidentiary basis. The religious concept of being "saved" has no evidentiary basis either. Such a choice is, by definition, irrational, (not rational), therefore, any such irrational choice is not likely to produce the desired result.
And the fact is there are almost as many muslims as ALL the christian denominations put together, and then you have all the other religions, as well as the non religious. Seems to me like 65-75% of the world is condemned simply by not believing - not because of any bad actions or sins. (im throwing out the number 65-70%, its not exact but I do remember seeing something about chrisianity being around 30 something %)
That does not seem very fair. And dont even get me started on the young who die (not just babys but even kids and teenagers that are not learned enough to make a true decision on the matter)
Seems to me like more people would be going to hell for reasons other then sins or being moraly bad or evil. (they may commits sins still but it is irrelevant if they are going to be condemned regardless of sinning or not)
This is only but one point I am trying to make / asking about.
By the way, I was raised christian, and went to christian school for many years. I truely believed. I grew up and started making my own desicions and looking at things from all angles and using logic and decided FOR MYSELF what to belive in. So do not tell me Im lost, or have not yet found god. I have been there, done that.
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No one truely answered my questions / opinions, just gave possibilities or answered it with answers that raised more questions (as in proved things by giving proof that is not possible to be proven true)
Forget all the bad logic and supernatural occurances for a minute.
Ill ask again, what about all the people in the world that are not christians, a large number of those being simply because they were raised in a different culture in a different part of the world? (and thus have had it drilled into there heads from a young age that the religion they have always been taught is the one that is true.. this applies for christians as well, but im not getting into that fact right now)
Many people will never consider christianity because of this, and so that means they are screwed? They are going to hell for not believing and/or worshiping false idols. At least that is what christians seem to believe. And the fact is there are almost as many muslims as ALL the christian denominations put together, and then you have all the other religions, as well as the non religious. Seems to me like 65-75% of the world is condemned simply by not believing - not because of any bad actions or sins. (im throwing out the number 65-70%, its not exact but I do remember seeing something about chrisianity being around 30 something %)
That does not seem very fair. And dont even get me started on the young who die (not just babys but even kids and teenagers that are not learned enough to make a true decision on the matter)
Seems to me like more people would be going to hell for reasons other then sins or being moraly bad or evil. (they may commits sins still but it is irrelevant if they are going to be condemned regardless of sinning or not)
This is only but one point I am trying to make / asking about.
By the way, I was raised christian, and went to christian school for many years. I truely believed. I grew up and started making my own desicions and looking at things from all angles and using logic and decided FOR MYSELF what to belive in. So do not tell me Im lost, or have not yet found god. I have been there, done that.
I would like to respond to the part concerning the young. Since you were raised Christian and went to a Christian school, you would have spoken of this or at least be familiar with it.
No one can fault anyone for a lack of understanding and then be condemned for that. Until a young child, adolescent, teen, etc., truly and fully understands right from wrong, and consequences of the wrong things, and understands exactly who Jesus is, what He did for us on the cross, and that He arose again the 3rd day, including the meaning of what it means to be saved, then they are in God's protection and assurance of Heaven. Once they know, and understand the choice they are making or not making, then is the time of accountability. As you learned in the Bible, babies and children are precious to God, and He will take care of His own.
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No one truely answered my questions / opinions, just gave possibilities or answered it with answers that raised more questions (as in proved things by giving proof that is not possible to be proven true)
Forget all the bad logic and supernatural occurances for a minute.
Ill ask again, what about all the people in the world that are not christians, a large number of those being simply because they were raised in a different culture in a different part of the world? (and thus have had it drilled into there heads from a young age that the religion they have always been taught is the one that is true.. this applies for christians as well, but im not getting into that fact right now)
Many people will never consider christianity because of this, and so that means they are screwed? They are going to hell for not believing and/or worshiping false idols. At least that is what christians seem to believe. And the fact is there are almost as many muslims as ALL the christian denominations put together, and then you have all the other religions, as well as the non religious. Seems to me like 65-75% of the world is condemned simply by not believing - not because of any bad actions or sins. (im throwing out the number 65-70%, its not exact but I do remember seeing something about chrisianity being around 30 something %)
That does not seem very fair. And dont even get me started on the young who die (not just babys but even kids and teenagers that are not learned enough to make a true decision on the matter)
Seems to me like more people would be going to hell for reasons other then sins or being moraly bad or evil. (they may commits sins still but it is irrelevant if they are going to be condemned regardless of sinning or not)
This is only but one point I am trying to make / asking about.
By the way, I was raised christian, and went to christian school for many years. I truely believed. I grew up and started making my own desicions and looking at things from all angles and using logic and decided FOR MYSELF what to belive in. So do not tell me Im lost, or have not yet found god. I have been there, done that.
I would like to respond to the part concerning the young. Since you were raised Christian and went to a Christian school, you would have spoken of this or at least be familiar with it.
No one can fault anyone for a lack of understanding and then be condemned for that. Until a young child, adolescent, teen, etc., truly and fully understands right from wrong, and consequences of the wrong things, and understands exactly who Jesus is, what He did for us on the cross, and that He arose again the 3rd day, including the meaning of what it means to be saved, then they are in God's protection and assurance of Heaven. Once they know, and understand the choice they are making or not making, then is the time of accountability. As you learned in the Bible, babies and children are precious to God, and He will take care of His own.
As extrapolated, a xtian gave a faith-based, (empty), response. Other than to confirm that young children aren't yet in a position to discern religious fiction from pragmatic fact, (with with I agree), and shouldn't be 'brain-washed' by 'authority figures' with religious superstitions, it's as 'predicted':
'I'm extrapolating that you'll get some faith-based replies from xtians which expressly avoid reason and logic ...'
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To the OP: Good for you... whatever your beliefs, you have a right to them... take care.
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No one truely answered my questions / opinions, just gave possibilities or answered it with answers that raised more questions (as in proved things by giving proof that is not possible to be proven true)
Forget all the bad logic and supernatural occurances for a minute.
Ill ask again, what about all the people in the world that are not christians, a large number of those being simply because they were raised in a different culture in a different part of the world? (and thus have had it drilled into there heads from a young age that the religion they have always been taught is the one that is true.. this applies for christians as well, but im not getting into that fact right now)
Many people will never consider christianity because of this, and so that means they are screwed? They are going to hell for not believing and/or worshiping false idols. At least that is what christians seem to believe. And the fact is there are almost as many muslims as ALL the christian denominations put together, and then you have all the other religions, as well as the non religious. Seems to me like 65-75% of the world is condemned simply by not believing - not because of any bad actions or sins. (im throwing out the number 65-70%, its not exact but I do remember seeing something about chrisianity being around 30 something %)
That does not seem very fair. And dont even get me started on the young who die (not just babys but even kids and teenagers that are not learned enough to make a true decision on the matter)
Seems to me like more people would be going to hell for reasons other then sins or being moraly bad or evil. (they may commits sins still but it is irrelevant if they are going to be condemned regardless of sinning or not)
This is only but one point I am trying to make / asking about.
By the way, I was raised christian, and went to christian school for many years. I truely believed. I grew up and started making my own desicions and looking at things from all angles and using logic and decided FOR MYSELF what to belive in. So do not tell me Im lost, or have not yet found god. I have been there, done that.
I would like to respond to the part concerning the young. Since you were raised Christian and went to a Christian school, you would have spoken of this or at least be familiar with it.
No one can fault anyone for a lack of understanding and then be condemned for that. Until a young child, adolescent, teen, etc., truly and fully understands right from wrong, and consequences of the wrong things, and understands exactly who Jesus is, what He did for us on the cross, and that He arose again the 3rd day, including the meaning of what it means to be saved, then they are in God's protection and assurance of Heaven. Once they know, and understand the choice they are making or not making, then is the time of accountability. As you learned in the Bible, babies and children are precious to God, and He will take care of His own.
As extrapolated, a xtian gave a faith-based, (empty), response. Other than to confirm that young children aren't yet in a position to discern religious fiction from pragmatic fact, (with with I agree), and shouldn't be 'brain-washed' by 'authority figures' with religious superstitions, it's as 'predicted':
'I'm extrapolating that you'll get some faith-based replies from xtians which expressly avoid reason and logic ...'
My answer is not faith-based, empty, and I am a Christian, not xtian. You are such an agitator - wear that title with pride.
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My answer is not faith-based, empty ...
On the contrary, you posted entirely faith-based superstitious assumptions as if they were facts, (and they are not, being bereft of factual evidence).
... and I am a Christian, not xtian. You are such an agita
You're a self-declared xtian fundie, (which is an xtian-derived abbreviation for "fundamentalist"), and a religious zealot agitator.
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Can you imagine what it will be like around here once Falcon 9 is finally banned?I think it will look something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Dkq7WZTzkLQ#t=41s
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Can you imagine what it will be like around here once Falcon 9 is finally banned?I think it will look something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Dkq7WZTzkLQ#t=41s
Your post is accurately construed as 'threatening' due to the content of that video. FC does not stand for "fundie xtian" forums; it stands for "FusionCash", who owns this venue.
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I could only imagine the scientific advancements we could have made if religion never existed. We could have cured cancer and built self driving cars centuries ago. But that's ok, let people die of cancer and let people drive on the ground and get into accidents to make yourself feel better about your life. [sarcasm]After all, curing people of disease using prayer is always 100% more effective then actual medical treatment, right?[/sarcasm]
You do realize that religion, no matter how much it makes you feels good, harms society as a whole? I obviously realize since you are living in that bubble, that you don't see the effects on religion on society. Not only its effects today, but its effects on history. People have died and continue to die because of religion. Suicides, repressing technology, crusades, and other negative impacts on society caused by disillusioned religious adherents. Life isn't all sunshine and happiness. People actually die in reality from real diseases like cancer, and praying does not help these people in any way whatsoever. Sure, prayer may make them feel good. You know what else would make them feel good? Curing their disease.
We understand you have the freedom to believe what you want to believe, but when religion directly gets in the way to technological advancement like it has for thousands of years then you need to realize your beliefs have a direct impact on those around you. Millions upon billions of dollars are spent on religious related products that could be spent on actually feed starving children in Africa instead of praying that it might happen. Religion may donate money to these sort of programs, but it has less to do with the fact its a religion doing it and more to do with the fact that people are generally giving in the face of such atrocities. Its a simple fact that religion takes credit for the good things other people do, and when it does something that is harmful and people try to call them out on it they historically react with violence.
It is only now that we are able to speak out without getting thrown in jail, or our heads cut off and all these religious adherents are self victimizing themselves because they feel threatened by our arguments and assuming that we are trying to take away their beliefs by repressing their freedoms? Give me a break.
Your sarcasm and lies prove you know not what you are speaking of.
His post contained no lies, as opposed to yours.
... stop spreading lies about what Christians do ...
You first.
... when you are just speaking and spewing lies and nonsense with something you don't even know the first thing about.
What "lies", be specific in your false accusations unless those false accusations are further lies on your part.
Lies in RED. I will not respond further about this to you - you seem to be enjoying speaking for the original poster instead of letting the poster speak for the poster's own self. But, it's to be expected of you, and while we are prepared for you doing so, it doesn't mean you deserve a response, if so chosen.
First and foremost one of these are LIES. None of these even CAN be lies because I am being 100% sincere in these statements. Lies by definition require me be deceitful. The word your looking for is wrong, and none of those things I stated where wrong.
There is no scientific, nor logical reason why prayer should work. When it does it is pure coincidence and when it doesn't its "gods will." The fact that its "gods will" makes prayer not only unprovable but complete unreliable. On the other hand science and medicine have proven to be effective against disease and we are continuing to improve its effectiveness. Indeed, such science is hijacked by religion. People routinely thanks god when someone gets cured, even after science help to cure that person. When someone donates their time and resources, its because they are a good person. It has and should not have anything to do with religion at all.
Religion does harm society as a whole. It has for thousands of years by suppressing scientific advancements and continues to do so by indoctrinating children by domesticating them into religious thinking and hampering what could be the next great scientist or peace activist. After all, why even bother when god can do it, right?
The fact you think that my last statement is a lie just baffles me. You do realize that, in the past at least, religious adherents routinely slaughter millions of people for having different beliefs and only because they had different beliefs? People who would otherwise never harm a soul sent to kill other people in the name of spreading their religious ideas? It is common knowledge that Atheist and those with different beliefs where suppressed for a large amount of human history (even just a couple hundred years ago.) and that mentioning dissent upon religious adherents would lead to imprisonment, public humiliation, and death. I realize this doesn't happen, at least amount mainstream Christians (because there are still christian cults that partake in mass suicides within the last 50 years), anymore. But it still happened, and it's still a fact that the actions of past religious adherents are still felt to this day, and these actions have negatively impacted humanity as a whole.
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I used to think my Mom was crazy when she said she talked to God and he gave her visions, ect. My Mom has been a christian her whole life and I remember going to church with her although I hated going in the end because it was boring. I have always questioned whether God is real and how do you know if he is real. The other night, I was going to bed, and all the sudden he spoke to me. I wasn't looking for him, I wasn't thinking about him...he came to me on his own. I don't know why this happened, part of me thinks it's because I know my Mom prays for me all of the time. I understand, "nothing compares to the promise I have in you" now...I understand everything my Mom was talking about all this time. It's nice to know that I can talk to her about what I'm experiencing because I know she knows exactly what I'm talking about. I think it was Gods gift to me to have me think my Mom was crazy before he called me back that way I can see Christian experiences through a non-believers eye and know to be careful what I share and when.
It's like the things I have been trying to change for YEARS he changed in a matter of minutes. I never want to go back to how I was. I feel so much joy, peace, love, confidence, I'm like the person I've always wanted to be and MORE joy is pouring out of me. I just want the whole world to feel the joy that I feel in God. I feel like he is always with me guiding me through the day, I find myself naturally thanking him throughout the day and I even downloaded music that I used to think was so goofy when I was a teen but now I just want to sing out to him.
I can't thank God enough for revealing himself to me and changing me. I will never forget the night that he spoke to me and changed my life.
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How refreshing to hear that. you made my heart a little more fuller today. Its so obvious your faith is genuine, thats refreshing too. Isnt the love of God the best! What a beautiful thing when "YOU KNOW", He is real, you never have to fear anything in life again. thank you 4 putting a smile in my heart, I can only imagine how you made the Lord feel simply by taking a little precious time out to profess your love 4 Him. How beautiful. :female:
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What a beautiful thing when "YOU KNOW", He is real, you never have to fear anything in life again.
A religious belief is not equivalent to 'knowing' therefore, that's an unfounded assertion based upon blind faith, (a lack of evidence), alone. Unless unambiguous evidence can be produced to support the assertion that "he is real", it remains a specious speculation being passed-off as if it were factual, (and it's not, due to that lack of supporting evidence). The burden of proof is not a "harsh mistress"; *she's* a rational one.
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I could only imagine the scientific advancements we could have made if religion never existed. We could have cured cancer and built self driving cars centuries ago. But that's ok, let people die of cancer and let people drive on the ground and get into accidents to make yourself feel better about your life. [sarcasm]After all, curing people of disease using prayer is always 100% more effective then actual medical treatment, right?[/sarcasm]
You do realize that religion, no matter how much it makes you feels good, harms society as a whole? I obviously realize since you are living in that bubble, that you don't see the effects on religion on society. Not only its effects today, but its effects on history. People have died and continue to die because of religion. Suicides, repressing technology, crusades, and other negative impacts on society caused by disillusioned religious adherents. Life isn't all sunshine and happiness. People actually die in reality from real diseases like cancer, and praying does not help these people in any way whatsoever. Sure, prayer may make them feel good. You know what else would make them feel good? Curing their disease.
We understand you have the freedom to believe what you want to believe, but when religion directly gets in the way to technological advancement like it has for thousands of years then you need to realize your beliefs have a direct impact on those around you. Millions upon billions of dollars are spent on religious related products that could be spent on actually feed starving children in Africa instead of praying that it might happen. Religion may donate money to these sort of programs, but it has less to do with the fact its a religion doing it and more to do with the fact that people are generally giving in the face of such atrocities. Its a simple fact that religion takes credit for the good things other people do, and when it does something that is harmful and people try to call them out on it they historically react with violence.
It is only now that we are able to speak out without getting thrown in jail, or our heads cut off and all these religious adherents are self victimizing themselves because they feel threatened by our arguments and assuming that we are trying to take away their beliefs by repressing their freedoms? Give me a break.
Your sarcasm and lies prove you know not what you are speaking of.
His post contained no lies, as opposed to yours.
... stop spreading lies about what Christians do ...
You first.
... when you are just speaking and spewing lies and nonsense with something you don't even know the first thing about.
What "lies", be specific in your false accusations unless those false accusations are further lies on your part.
Lies in RED. I will not respond further about this to you - you seem to be enjoying speaking for the original poster instead of letting the poster speak for the poster's own self. But, it's to be expected of you, and while we are prepared for you doing so, it doesn't mean you deserve a response, if so chosen.
First and foremost one of these are LIES. None of these even CAN be lies because I am being 100% sincere in these statements. Lies by definition require me be deceitful. The word your looking for is wrong, and none of those things I stated where wrong.
There is no scientific, nor logical reason why prayer should work. When it does it is pure coincidence and when it doesn't its "gods will." The fact that its "gods will" makes prayer not only unprovable but complete unreliable. On the other hand science and medicine have proven to be effective against disease and we are continuing to improve its effectiveness. Indeed, such science is hijacked by religion. People routinely thanks god when someone gets cured, even after science help to cure that person. When someone donates their time and resources, its because they are a good person. It has and should not have anything to do with religion at all.
Religion does harm society as a whole. It has for thousands of years by suppressing scientific advancements and continues to do so by indoctrinating children by domesticating them into religious thinking and hampering what could be the next great scientist or peace activist. After all, why even bother when god can do it, right?
The fact you think that my last statement is a lie just baffles me. You do realize that, in the past at least, religious adherents routinely slaughter millions of people for having different beliefs and only because they had different beliefs? People who would otherwise never harm a soul sent to kill other people in the name of spreading their religious ideas? It is common knowledge that Atheist and those with different beliefs where suppressed for a large amount of human history (even just a couple hundred years ago.) and that mentioning dissent upon religious adherents would lead to imprisonment, public humiliation, and death. I realize this doesn't happen, at least amount mainstream Christians (because there are still christian cults that partake in mass suicides within the last 50 years), anymore. But it still happened, and it's still a fact that the actions of past religious adherents are still felt to this day, and these actions have negatively impacted humanity as a whole.
I've already been round and round with falcon9 on your last paragraph - think what you want - you are adamant about what you think about that, it will be a total waste of time to repeat myself for the umpteenth time, when they are in current threads for all to read.
As for the rest, you correctly stated that religion should have nothing to do with donating time, money, clothes, etc. It should be any and everyone, out of the kindness and generosity of their hearts, who would do whatever they choose to do to help. However, you made it appear as if Christians don't do those things, but only pray and leave it up to everyone else. So I was clarifying to you that Christians are normal people like everyone else, including doing the things listed, along with prayer.
So, I won't call what you said, LIES, but I will definitely say what you said about Christians not helping, and instead causing deaths, is WRONG - and perhaps some research on your end will show you that thousands of people, Christian, dis-believers, of other beliefs, etc., are helping in the nation, country, and world.
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I could only imagine the scientific advancements we could have made if religion never existed. We could have cured cancer and built self driving cars centuries ago. But that's ok, let people die of cancer and let people drive on the ground and get into accidents to make yourself feel better about your life. [sarcasm]After all, curing people of disease using prayer is always 100% more effective then actual medical treatment, right?[/sarcasm]
You do realize that religion, no matter how much it makes you feels good, harms society as a whole? I obviously realize since you are living in that bubble, that you don't see the effects on religion on society. Not only its effects today, but its effects on history. People have died and continue to die because of religion. Suicides, repressing technology, crusades, and other negative impacts on society caused by disillusioned religious adherents. Life isn't all sunshine and happiness. People actually die in reality from real diseases like cancer, and praying does not help these people in any way whatsoever. Sure, prayer may make them feel good. You know what else would make them feel good? Curing their disease.
We understand you have the freedom to believe what you want to believe, but when religion directly gets in the way to technological advancement like it has for thousands of years then you need to realize your beliefs have a direct impact on those around you. Millions upon billions of dollars are spent on religious related products that could be spent on actually feed starving children in Africa instead of praying that it might happen. Religion may donate money to these sort of programs, but it has less to do with the fact its a religion doing it and more to do with the fact that people are generally giving in the face of such atrocities. Its a simple fact that religion takes credit for the good things other people do, and when it does something that is harmful and people try to call them out on it they historically react with violence.
It is only now that we are able to speak out without getting thrown in jail, or our heads cut off and all these religious adherents are self victimizing themselves because they feel threatened by our arguments and assuming that we are trying to take away their beliefs by repressing their freedoms? Give me a break.
Your sarcasm and lies prove you know not what you are speaking of.
His post contained no lies, as opposed to yours.
... stop spreading lies about what Christians do ...
You first.
... when you are just speaking and spewing lies and nonsense with something you don't even know the first thing about.
What "lies", be specific in your false accusations unless those false accusations are further lies on your part.
Lies in RED. I will not respond further about this to you - you seem to be enjoying speaking for the original poster instead of letting the poster speak for the poster's own self. But, it's to be expected of you, and while we are prepared for you doing so, it doesn't mean you deserve a response, if so chosen.
First and foremost one of these are LIES. None of these even CAN be lies because I am being 100% sincere in these statements. Lies by definition require me be deceitful. The word your looking for is wrong, and none of those things I stated where wrong.
There is no scientific, nor logical reason why prayer should work. When it does it is pure coincidence and when it doesn't its "gods will." The fact that its "gods will" makes prayer not only unprovable but complete unreliable. On the other hand science and medicine have proven to be effective against disease and we are continuing to improve its effectiveness. Indeed, such science is hijacked by religion. People routinely thanks god when someone gets cured, even after science help to cure that person. When someone donates their time and resources, its because they are a good person. It has and should not have anything to do with religion at all.
Religion does harm society as a whole. It has for thousands of years by suppressing scientific advancements and continues to do so by indoctrinating children by domesticating them into religious thinking and hampering what could be the next great scientist or peace activist. After all, why even bother when god can do it, right?
The fact you think that my last statement is a lie just baffles me. You do realize that, in the past at least, religious adherents routinely slaughter millions of people for having different beliefs and only because they had different beliefs? People who would otherwise never harm a soul sent to kill other people in the name of spreading their religious ideas? It is common knowledge that Atheist and those with different beliefs where suppressed for a large amount of human history (even just a couple hundred years ago.) and that mentioning dissent upon religious adherents would lead to imprisonment, public humiliation, and death. I realize this doesn't happen, at least amount mainstream Christians (because there are still christian cults that partake in mass suicides within the last 50 years), anymore. But it still happened, and it's still a fact that the actions of past religious adherents are still felt to this day, and these actions have negatively impacted humanity as a whole.
I've already been round and round with falcon9 on your last paragraph - think what you want - you are adamant about what you think about that, it will be a total waste of time to repeat myself for the umpteenth time, when they are in current threads for all to read.
As for the rest, you correctly stated that religion should have nothing to do with donating time, money, clothes, etc. It should be any and everyone, out of the kindness and generosity of their hearts, who would do whatever they choose to do to help. However, you made it appear as if Christians don't do those things, but only pray and leave it up to everyone else. So I was clarifying to you that Christians are normal people like everyone else, including doing the things listed, along with prayer.
So, I won't call what you said, LIES, but I will definitely say what you said about Christians not helping, and instead causing deaths, is WRONG - and perhaps some research on your end will show you that thousands of people, Christian, dis-believers, of other beliefs, etc., are helping in the nation, country, and world.
I never stated nor implied that Christians do not donate. I implicitly stated in one of my earlier post that Christians do donate to such causes, and its a good thing. But at the same time, religion can cause unneeded harm as I have also stated and that just because Christians and Religious Adherents do that which is good (donate, volunteer, help others) that it cannot forgive them for other atrocities that religion causes in total. If we take out the religious aspects of donating, not only would there probably be more donating (because there is less time wasted on praying) but we would also not have our scientific advancements stifled by organizations that repress logical reasoning. They indoctrinate people (who would be perfectly good human beings anyway) to adhere to religious faith where they may have otherwise pursued the cure for cancer.
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Who or what gives you the right to judge others for their beliefs. Who cares if they believe in God, budda or the toothfairy if it gives them happiness, joy and something to feel hopeful for. The way things are in the world we all need some joy in our lives. Maybe this is what you are lacking? I hope you find something to be happy about some day. :D
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Putting my life into the Lords Hands was the best thing I could have done. My life has gone right.
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I am very happy for you and don't let the negativity get you down here at FC.
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I'm so glad that you have found Jesus. I am a witness that once you get to know him, your life starts to change. You have a new feeling in your heart and soul. You have a different outlook on life. The things that used to bother you, don't even matter anymore. You learn to let go and let GOD. Once you have that joy, no one can take it away from you. I'm wishing you many Blessings and congratulations on your spiritual journey! :angel11:
Thank you for your support - my mother in law and father in law are losing their house. On top of that, their vehicle quit on them. I drove her around for an hour yesterday to do errands. I would not have done something like this before, but I have been filled with a giving spirit. I told them I can help them move today, tomorrow, and Friday - again, something I wouldn't normally do. They have to stay in a hotel for a week because the rental they are moving into has people who refuse to leave still living there - I plan on asking them over for dinner on one of the hotel nights. Again, not something I would normally do. God has shown me that there are other ways to give besides money, you can donate your time. I want to help other people too, not just my family. I am sure God will reveal ways for me to help others.
To those of you replying to falcon, I have just scrolled past his comments...he is taking away from the real purpose of this post and I have chosen not to even bother to waste my time reading what he has to say (after I read like one or two of his posts and discovered why he is on here) - don't let him frustrate you and take away your joy - just keep scrolling :)
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and I am patiently waiting for my bible - it won't be here until FRIDAY - seems soooo far away.
My Mom posted something on her Facebook the other day that I thought was cute / true
"Books can inform you. The Bible can transform you"
LOVE IT :heart:
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and I am patiently waiting for my bible - it won't be here until FRIDAY - seems soooo far away.
My Mom posted something on her Facebook the other day that I thought was cute / true
"Books can inform you. The Bible can transform you"
LOVE IT :heart:
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God Bless you hun! :heart:
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I could only imagine the scientific advancements we could have made if religion never existed. We could have cured cancer and built self driving cars centuries ago. But that's ok, let people die of cancer and let people drive on the ground and get into accidents to make yourself feel better about your life. [sarcasm]After all, curing people of disease using prayer is always 100% more effective then actual medical treatment, right?[/sarcasm]
You do realize that religion, no matter how much it makes you feels good, harms society as a whole? I obviously realize since you are living in that bubble, that you don't see the effects on religion on society. Not only its effects today, but its effects on history. People have died and continue to die because of religion. Suicides, repressing technology, crusades, and other negative impacts on society caused by disillusioned religious adherents. Life isn't all sunshine and happiness. People actually die in reality from real diseases like cancer, and praying does not help these people in any way whatsoever. Sure, prayer may make them feel good. You know what else would make them feel good? Curing their disease.
We understand you have the freedom to believe what you want to believe, but when religion directly gets in the way to technological advancement like it has for thousands of years then you need to realize your beliefs have a direct impact on those around you. Millions upon billions of dollars are spent on religious related products that could be spent on actually feed starving children in Africa instead of praying that it might happen. Religion may donate money to these sort of programs, but it has less to do with the fact its a religion doing it and more to do with the fact that people are generally giving in the face of such atrocities. Its a simple fact that religion takes credit for the good things other people do, and when it does something that is harmful and people try to call them out on it they historically react with violence.
It is only now that we are able to speak out without getting thrown in jail, or our heads cut off and all these religious adherents are self victimizing themselves because they feel threatened by our arguments and assuming that we are trying to take away their beliefs by repressing their freedoms? Give me a break.
Your sarcasm and lies prove you know not what you are speaking of.
His post contained no lies, as opposed to yours.
... stop spreading lies about what Christians do ...
You first.
... when you are just speaking and spewing lies and nonsense with something you don't even know the first thing about.
What "lies", be specific in your false accusations unless those false accusations are further lies on your part.
Lies in RED. I will not respond further about this to you - you seem to be enjoying speaking for the original poster instead of letting the poster speak for the poster's own self. But, it's to be expected of you, and while we are prepared for you doing so, it doesn't mean you deserve a response, if so chosen.
First and foremost one of these are LIES. None of these even CAN be lies because I am being 100% sincere in these statements. Lies by definition require me be deceitful. The word your looking for is wrong, and none of those things I stated where wrong.
There is no scientific, nor logical reason why prayer should work. When it does it is pure coincidence and when it doesn't its "gods will." The fact that its "gods will" makes prayer not only unprovable but complete unreliable. On the other hand science and medicine have proven to be effective against disease and we are continuing to improve its effectiveness. Indeed, such science is hijacked by religion. People routinely thanks god when someone gets cured, even after science help to cure that person. When someone donates their time and resources, its because they are a good person. It has and should not have anything to do with religion at all.
Religion does harm society as a whole. It has for thousands of years by suppressing scientific advancements and continues to do so by indoctrinating children by domesticating them into religious thinking and hampering what could be the next great scientist or peace activist. After all, why even bother when god can do it, right?
The fact you think that my last statement is a lie just baffles me. You do realize that, in the past at least, religious adherents routinely slaughter millions of people for having different beliefs and only because they had different beliefs? People who would otherwise never harm a soul sent to kill other people in the name of spreading their religious ideas? It is common knowledge that Atheist and those with different beliefs where suppressed for a large amount of human history (even just a couple hundred years ago.) and that mentioning dissent upon religious adherents would lead to imprisonment, public humiliation, and death. I realize this doesn't happen, at least amount mainstream Christians (because there are still christian cults that partake in mass suicides within the last 50 years), anymore. But it still happened, and it's still a fact that the actions of past religious adherents are still felt to this day, and these actions have negatively impacted humanity as a whole.
I've already been round and round with falcon9 on your last paragraph - think what you want - you are adamant about what you think about that, it will be a total waste of time to repeat myself for the umpteenth time, when they are in current threads for all to read.
As for the rest, you correctly stated that religion should have nothing to do with donating time, money, clothes, etc. It should be any and everyone, out of the kindness and generosity of their hearts, who would do whatever they choose to do to help. However, you made it appear as if Christians don't do those things, but only pray and leave it up to everyone else. So I was clarifying to you that Christians are normal people like everyone else, including doing the things listed, along with prayer.
So, I won't call what you said, LIES, but I will definitely say what you said about Christians not helping, and instead causing deaths, is WRONG - and perhaps some research on your end will show you that thousands of people, Christian, dis-believers, of other beliefs, etc., are helping in the nation, country, and world.
I never stated nor implied that Christians do not donate. I implicitly stated in one of my earlier post that Christians do donate to such causes, and its a good thing. But at the same time, religion can cause unneeded harm as I have also stated and that just because Christians and Religious Adherents do that which is good (donate, volunteer, help others) that it cannot forgive them for other atrocities that religion causes in total. If we take out the religious aspects of donating, not only would there probably be more donating (because there is less time wasted on praying) but we would also not have our scientific advancements stifled by organizations that repress logical reasoning. They indoctrinate people (who would be perfectly good human beings anyway) to adhere to religious faith where they may have otherwise pursued the cure for cancer.
Like I said, you are going to think what you choose to think, period. You are holding today's Christians' responsible for something they did NOT do, nor do they approve of what those others did, using GOD'S NAME to achieve their personal vendettas of hatred of certain groups/types of people. This is exactly what you and another poster are doing as well - trying to achieve your personal vendettas of hatred toward Christians, today, who genuinely love the Lord, and love their "neighbors" as asked by Christ to do. The only thing you two have NOT done is getting rid of Christians' lives on here - thank goodness we have a computer screen in between.
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Keep believing!
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and I am patiently waiting for my bible - it won't be here until FRIDAY - seems soooo far away.
My Mom posted something on her Facebook the other day that I thought was cute / true
"Books can inform you. The Bible can transform you"
LOVE IT :heart:
I have heard that quote, too, and like it! Thanks for sharing it. :)
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Congratulations and welcome to God's family. He has been watching you all along and chose that particular night to let you know. Consider yourself blessed because many who believe are waiting for God to speak to them.
God Bless
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He has been watching you all along and chose that particular night to let you know.
Sounds like a creepy stalker; good thing there's no valid evidence to support such superstitious, (and creepy), religious beliefs.
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That's a fictitious "picture" of an imaginary supernatural set of disembodied 'hands'. Very unconvincing.
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That's a fictitious "picture" of an imaginary supernatural disembodied 'partial-body' of a mythical entity. Very unconvincing.
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I used to think my Mom was crazy when she said she talked to God and he gave her visions, ect. My Mom has been a christian her whole life and I remember going to church with her although I hated going in the end because it was boring. I have always questioned whether God is real and how do you know if he is real. The other night, I was going to bed, and all the sudden he spoke to me. I wasn't looking for him, I wasn't thinking about him...he came to me on his own. I don't know why this happened, part of me thinks it's because I know my Mom prays for me all of the time. I understand, "nothing compares to the promise I have in you" now...I understand everything my Mom was talking about all this time. It's nice to know that I can talk to her about what I'm experiencing because I know she knows exactly what I'm talking about. I think it was Gods gift to me to have me think my Mom was crazy before he called me back that way I can see Christian experiences through a non-believers eye and know to be careful what I share and when.
It's like the things I have been trying to change for YEARS he changed in a matter of minutes. I never want to go back to how I was. I feel so much joy, peace, love, confidence, I'm like the person I've always wanted to be and MORE joy is pouring out of me. I just want the whole world to feel the joy that I feel in God. I feel like he is always with me guiding me through the day, I find myself naturally thanking him throughout the day and I even downloaded music that I used to think was so goofy when I was a teen but now I just want to sing out to him.
I can't thank God enough for revealing himself to me and changing me. I will never forget the night that he spoke to me and changed my life.
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What a blessing to hear that God has become your saviour! My mother is a Christian and she has taught me that faith in the Lord will get you far. I am so glad that He spoke to your heart and convinced you that you needed him in your life as your Saviour! Heaven awaits you and as long as you continue in him you will be blessed!
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... that God has become your saviour ... that you needed him in your life as your Saviour...
There is no factual evidence to support such religious claims, which is why they're faith-based empty claims.
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I used to think my Mom was crazy when she said she talked to God and he gave her visions, ect. My Mom has been a christian her whole life and I remember going to church with her although I hated going in the end because it was boring. I have always questioned whether God is real and how do you know if he is real. The other night, I was going to bed, and all the sudden he spoke to me. I wasn't looking for him, I wasn't thinking about him...he came to me on his own. I don't know why this happened, part of me thinks it's because I know my Mom prays for me all of the time. I understand, "nothing compares to the promise I have in you" now...I understand everything my Mom was talking about all this time. It's nice to know that I can talk to her about what I'm experiencing because I know she knows exactly what I'm talking about. I think it was Gods gift to me to have me think my Mom was crazy before he called me back that way I can see Christian experiences through a non-believers eye and know to be careful what I share and when.
It's like the things I have been trying to change for YEARS he changed in a matter of minutes. I never want to go back to how I was. I feel so much joy, peace, love, confidence, I'm like the person I've always wanted to be and MORE joy is pouring out of me. I just want the whole world to feel the joy that I feel in God. I feel like he is always with me guiding me through the day, I find myself naturally thanking him throughout the day and I even downloaded music that I used to think was so goofy when I was a teen but now I just want to sing out to him.
I can't thank God enough for revealing himself to me and changing me. I will never forget the night that he spoke to me and changed my life.
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What a blessing to hear that God has become your saviour! My mother is a Christian and she has taught me that faith in the Lord will get you far. I am so glad that He spoke to your heart and convinced you that you needed him in your life as your Saviour! Heaven awaits you and as long as you continue in him you will be blessed!
I agree the joy of God in your life is a wonderful thing! :thumbsup:
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I agree the joy of God in your life is ...
... A mind-numbing faith-blindness which inhibits rational thought.
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Like I said, you are going to think what you choose to think, period. You are holding today's Christians' responsible for something they did NOT do, nor do they approve of what those others did, using GOD'S NAME to achieve their personal vendettas of hatred of certain groups/types of people. This is exactly what you and another poster are doing as well - trying to achieve your personal vendettas of hatred toward Christians, today, who genuinely love the Lord, and love their "neighbors" as asked by Christ to do. The only thing you two have NOT done is getting rid of Christians' lives on here - thank goodness we have a computer screen in between.
Nowhere in any of my post did I implicitly nor implied that Christians of today are responsible for what Christians have done in the past. Such an idea is illogical and is not something I support.
I did say however that Christians in the past have done harm (and its obvious you agree to this) and that because they did such harm in the past that they have negatively impacted humanity as a whole. We are not trying to get rid of your lives, we are trying to make you see reason (a futile attempt at best, but we try.)
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Like I said, you are going to think what you choose to think, period. You are holding today's Christians' responsible for something they did NOT do, nor do they approve of what those others did, using GOD'S NAME to achieve their personal vendettas of hatred of certain groups/types of people. This is exactly what you and another poster are doing as well - trying to achieve your personal vendettas of hatred toward Christians, today, who genuinely love the Lord, and love their "neighbors" as asked by Christ to do. The only thing you two have NOT done is getting rid of Christians' lives on here - thank goodness we have a computer screen in between.
Nowhere in any of my post did I implicitly nor implied that Christians of today are responsible for what Christians have done in the past. Such an idea is illogical and is not something I support.
I did say however that Christians in the past have done harm (and its obvious you agree to this) and that because they did such harm in the past that they have negatively impacted humanity as a whole. We are not trying to get rid of your lives, we are trying to make you see reason (a futile attempt at best, but we try.)
You are right and I apologize - the other poster has done that very thing so much that I was reacting as if you were saying the same thing he says.
I do agree about the past. The problem I have with them in the past, is the honest question of their intentions. If they were genuinely believers in Christ, who said the new and greatest commandment is to love everyone, then what or who gave them the right to do those things they did?
There was intolerance of certain behaviors and ideas, and it appears that many let their own personal intolerant feelings interfere in making a Godly decision with those situations. It seems they were believers in name only, but not in heart, and instead used God's name to do the things they did, thereby appeasing their consciences of any real and tragic wrongdoing.
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... the other poster has done that very thing ...
False; "the other poster" has stated that the same religious belief system was held by those religious zealots as is held by religious zealots today.
There was intolerance of certain behaviors and ideas ...
Xtians killing 'unbelievers' exceeds "intolerance of certian behaviours and ideas"; making it a blood-soaked understatement.
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I used to think my Mom was crazy when she said she talked to God and he gave her visions, ect. The other night, I was going to bed, and all the sudden he spoke to me.
While anyone has the option to have, or not have such superstitious religious beliefs, there is no valid evidence to support the attribution mentioned to a supernatural egregore. Instead, such relies entirely upon "faith" and 'religious testimony'; a dubious subjective basis upon which one could claim anything. If such were kept to oneself, it wouldn't become some sort of 'mind virus' spread by not keeping it to oneself.
"I suggest that the anthropomorphic g-d idea is not a harmless infirmity of human thought, but a very noxious fallacy,
which is largely responsible for the calamities the world is at present enduring."
-- William Archer
you must have something to prove. yah,yah,yah, you have an expansive vocabulary,and it "screams", HELP, im sure you have plenty praying for you, its obvious you need it. SUPERSTAR! :angel11:
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you must have something to prove. yah,yah,yah ...
What I've already proven is that no religious claim by any religious adherent has been proven by providing supporting evidence. That makes such religious claim specious, (logically, devoid of substance).
im sure you have plenty praying for you ...
If any are, they are attempting to do so against my permission and such unsolicited magical intercessory rituals are intentionally rude, obnoxious, and santimonious on the part of such self-righteous religious zealots. In return, (and under the auspices of the "golden rule"), I'll be sure to advise some pagan associates to proceed with some "rituals" on the behalf of those "praying" at me.
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"BELIEVERS BEWARE:"
Notice "rituals" by his "pagan associates" are threatened to be used towards anyone praying for him. Sounds like vengeful retaliation - wouldn't this be "construed" as "harmful" to believers who may be "silently" praying for him, in their own personal life, where they have the right to do as they wish? I cannot see how this is not breaking the "golden rule" of a forum - with that kind of behavior and attitude toward believers. See quote below:
(Quote by falcon9): "In return, (and under the auspices of the "golden rule"), I'll be sure to advise some pagan associates to proceed with some "rituals" on the behalf of those "praying" at me."
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"BELIEVERS BEWARE:"
Notice "rituals" by his "pagan associates" are threatened to be used towards anyone praying for him. Sounds like vengeful retaliation - wouldn't this be "construed" as "harmful" to believers who may be "silently" praying for him, in their own personal life, where they have the right to do as they wish? I cannot see how this is not breaking the "golden rule" of a forum - with that kind of behavior and attitude toward believers.
Such "rituals" are the same thing as unsolicited "prayers"; attempts at magical intercessory rites intended to induce supernatural interventions. Several religious adherents, (specifcally xtian ones), have "threatened" to 'aim' such malignant rituals at me after I posted that these were not welcome. Your entire pseudo-accusation above is facetious and false.
See quote below:
(Quote by falcon9): "In return, (and under the auspices of the "golden rule"), I'll be sure to advise some pagan associates to proceed with some "rituals" on the behalf of those "praying" at me."
There's no inherent 'threat' there even if the xtian "prayers" were inherent threats.
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"BELIEVERS BEWARE:"
Notice "rituals" by his "pagan associates" are threatened to be used towards anyone praying for him. Sounds like vengeful retaliation - wouldn't this be "construed" as "harmful" to believers who may be "silently" praying for him, in their own personal life, where they have the right to do as they wish? I cannot see how this is not breaking the "golden rule" of a forum - with that kind of behavior and attitude toward believers.
Such "rituals" are the same thing as unsolicited "prayers"; attempts at magical intercessory rites intended to induce supernatural interventions. Several religious adherents, (specifcally xtian ones), have "threatened" to 'aim' such malignant rituals at me after I posted that these were not welcome. Your entire pseudo-accusation above is facetious and false.
See quote below:
(Quote by falcon9): "In return, (and under the auspices of the "golden rule"), I'll be sure to advise some pagan associates to proceed with some "rituals" on the behalf of those "praying" at me."
There's no inherent 'threat' there even if the xtian "prayers" were inherent threats.
I reject your irrational intolerance and nonsense.
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"BELIEVERS BEWARE:"
Notice "rituals" by his "pagan associates" are threatened to be used towards anyone praying for him. Sounds like vengeful retaliation - wouldn't this be "construed" as "harmful" to believers who may be "silently" praying for him, in their own personal life, where they have the right to do as they wish? I cannot see how this is not breaking the "golden rule" of a forum - with that kind of behavior and attitude toward believers.
Such "rituals" are the same thing as unsolicited "prayers"; attempts at magical intercessory rites intended to induce supernatural interventions. Several religious adherents, (specifcally xtian ones), have "threatened" to 'aim' such malignant rituals at me after I posted that these were not welcome. Your entire pseudo-accusation above is facetious and false.
See quote below:
(Quote by falcon9): "In return, (and under the auspices of the "golden rule"), I'll be sure to advise some pagan associates to proceed with some "rituals" on the behalf of those "praying" at me."
There's no inherent 'threat' there even if the xtian "prayers" were inherent threats.
I reject ...
... rational thinking and logical reasoning; as demonstrated in your own repetitious irrationality.
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Accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior is truly joy unspeakable and full of glory
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Accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior is truly ... unspeakable ...
Horror? there is evidence to support that contention which consists of four xtian-instigated Crusades, several xtian-instigated Inquisitions, many xtian-prosecuted witch hunts and numerous forced-assimulations of pagan cultures - all of which resulted in the deaths and repression of millions.
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Accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior is truly ... unspeakable ...
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It so nice and uplifting to read these like-minded posts without the rhetoric of the people I have ignored.
It may be even 'nicer' to not read posts passive-aggressively talking about people supposedly being ignored, (but then, that's ignorance for you).
no,its simple. YOUR IGNORANT. you sure are concerned about another "not" having joy, you may be whitty,and wise in your own eyes, but im sure in many others eyes, such as myself,simply see a blind, lost,fool webs. defination of fool...one deficient in judgment, sence, or understanding. once i get past the thought of dicouragement you try to be to others, i have to smile, you see, i claim nothing, I KNOW AND LOVE THE LORD! no one or nothing can ever change,discourage, or tarnish that truth, He is more real to me than anyone or anything in my life, and when i hear foolishness such as yours i smile because your dedicated! there is always the chance that firery dedication comes from a place of, not blind ignorance or evil, but instead, i pray, your heart is searching for TRUE wisdom, i pray, you want to be proven wrong. its obvious your educated. education without wisdom is a powerful tool for satan to work with, every book combined could never challenge or stimulate the mind, body and soul like the kj bible. :female:
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My favorite part is that the ONLY thing God wants you to do to earn eternal life is basically be happy, be giving, and do things to stay out of trouble - it's amazing, what an amazing gift!
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It so nice and uplifting to read these like-minded posts without the rhetoric of the people I have ignored.
It may be even 'nicer' to not read posts passive-aggressively talking about people supposedly being ignored, (but then, that's ignorance for you).
no,its simple. YOUR IGNORANT.
What're you, twelve? The context of my reply related to ignorance concerning others using FC's 'Ignore button' as an "ostrich" button, (wherein those users have clicked "ignore" but, still gossip about those they are allegedly 'ignoring', which is ignorant).
... you sure are concerned about another "not" having joy ...
No, my concern rests with the spread/propagandizing superstitious religious beliefs like a 'zombie virus'. What the 'zombies', or 'believers' want to delude themselves with inside their own skulls is none of my concern. Once such religious delusions leave their skulls, those become a hazard to others and a public safety concern.
every book combined could never challenge or stimulate the mind, body and soul like the kj bible.
On the contrary, nearly any other book would be a more challenging read than a jumbled collection of superstitious mythologies, false attributions to supernatural causes and generally poor fiction.
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I know you have gotten some negative comments and they have a right to their opinions. I for one, am happy for you and wish you the very best as you follow this new path of faith.
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"Faith does not give you the answers, it just stops you asking the questions."
-- Frater Ravus
"If you take [a copy of] the xtian bible and put it out in the wind and the rain, soon the paper on which the words are printed will disintegrate and the words will be gone. Our 'bible' IS the wind and the rain."
-- from Herbalist Carol McGrath as told to her by a Native American woman.
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That's a nice picture and all, but you do realize this is what actually would be happening?
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Congrats! Its such a blessing to have faith in God. Its a whole new life to be a Christian. Many blessings to you on your new faith! :thumbsup:
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Praise the Lord! All for His glory and I rejoice!
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"Religion is the most malevolent of all mind viruses."
~ Arthur C. Clarke
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"History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it."
~ Robert Heinlein
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For those of you who care, I'm still strong in my faith, learning daily, and loving every minute of it!
GOD IS GOOD!
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I go to church and decided to join my husbañd's church. I am thankful to Him for being there for me. My life has improved since I gave my life to him, compared to six years ago. Whether you're a non-believer or not, He can change your life in ways you won't believe. :peace: :heart:
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Me, too. Putting your "life in the hands of the Lord" is such a wonderful feeling. I have always loved and believed in God ever since serving him was instilled in me from my parents. I always knew that God would be a part of my life and praising his son, Jesus,only enhanced that faith. This is one act I never regret and look forward to seeing what presents in my life from my servitude and belief in God. God is good and I love :angel12: him!
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I too am glad you have found yourself with the help of the Lord. It is a truly comforting feeling. God Bless :thumbsup:
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Oh, My what wonderful news you have put your life in the hands of the Lord, You have the one that can help you through
this life as you grow with his spirit he's rejoice at your hand you have put your trust in him. :angel11: :angel11: :angel11:
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Praise God
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i'm happy for you, congrats on your journey :thumbsup:
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Congratulations - It's a wonderful life. Not necessarily easy - but wonderful :heart:
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If only it had happened sooner - but better at age 22 than 44, right?
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Very nice news!!
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That is a really good decision, god is good
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Wow, have a nice trip people!!! :dontknow:
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Its no wonder people have such a hard time in life. They put their hands in a being that doesn't exist. Want to make life easier? Put your life in the hands of you.
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good for you.
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You have made a very powerful and good decision to trust God, and surrender your life to him. I've found that loving God has made my life so much more satisfying, along with the joy of knowing I will live with him forever.
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I used to think my Mom was crazy when she said she talked to God and he gave her visions, ect. My Mom has been a christian her whole life and I remember going to church with her although I hated going in the end because it was boring. I have always questioned whether God is real and how do you know if he is real. The other night, I was going to bed, and all the sudden he spoke to me. I wasn't looking for him, I wasn't thinking about him...he came to me on his own. I don't know why this happened, part of me thinks it's because I know my Mom prays for me all of the time. I understand, "nothing compares to the promise I have in you" now...I understand everything my Mom was talking about all this time. It's nice to know that I can talk to her about what I'm experiencing because I know she knows exactly what I'm talking about. I think it was Gods gift to me to have me think my Mom was crazy before he called me back that way I can see Christian experiences through a non-believers eye and know to be careful what I share and when.
It's like the things I have been trying to change for YEARS he changed in a matter of minutes. I never want to go back to how I was. I feel so much joy, peace, love, confidence, I'm like the person I've always wanted to be and MORE joy is pouring out of me. I just want the whole world to feel the joy that I feel in God. I feel like he is always with me guiding me through the day, I find myself naturally thanking him throughout the day and I even downloaded music that I used to think was so goofy when I was a teen but now I just want to sing out to him.
I can't thank God enough for revealing himself to me and changing me. I will never forget the night that he spoke to me and changed my life.
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Awesome story...I used to think my mom was a little crazy as well when she said God spoke to her...but I know now exactly what she meant...she passed away 2yrs. ago and I miss her so...she helped me so much on my journey to becoming a Christian :angel11:Faith in God and our Lord Jesus Christ does put your life in a whole new perspective...faith changes so much...God bless you and your Mother :heart:
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Thats good that you finally took your moms advice and it seems to make you happy so thats a great thing...Its never to late for something like this!
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Yes and it's always nice to talk to fellow Christians because when you tell them about your experiences they don't think you're nuts, they know exactly what you're talking about!
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Glad to hear it.Keep the Faith,regardless what any nay-sayers think.Pray God will give them wisdom in time.
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I put my life in God's hands a long time ago and pray that he keep me safe and secure. He has brought me through a lot and I give thanks everyday.
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Congrats u have being born again in Christ that is so awesome :angel11: May God bless u and all ur family!!! :star:
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what a waist of time, I haven't seen proff there is a god, if there where a god, then why are there sick people. and good people die and bad people stay alive
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I truly enjoyed reading your post BK about finding God! That is so wonderful! Just posting your story on this Forum probably touched some lives you would never have touched otherwise. God bless you now and forever!
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What a wonderful testimony! It is amazing the different ways the Lord works in the lives of individuals to bring them to personal knowledge of Him. You are starting a great adventure as He guides you on an upward journey that no one can take away from you.
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thats good to hear
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What a wonderful testimony for the Lord! Thank you for sharing and don't let anyone try to discourage you, as they will. Just keep trusting and He will help you overcome!
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Good for you. I have always said that "God may not be there when you want Him to, but He is always there on time. If you are patient, He will answer your prayer. Just be careful what you ask for, because you just might get it. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :wave:
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I am glad you make that decision because you are with the best of the best. The Lord is the only way to go.
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Amen! Praise the Lord!! You will continue to be amazed everyday how great our God is through our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. May you continue to be eager to learn more of the Gospel and grow in the Lord. Prayers going up for you for many blessings to fall.
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I am concerned about the person who started this thread. Out of curiosity, I checked and she has not posted since March. I am praying she is okay.
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congrats on putting your life in Christ
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I like your original post BK_Adores_Chase... nice story... Chase must be a lucky dude to have a smart person like you in his life...
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that a good way to starting a good life because without the lord you me and everybody else has nothing god bless you and good things are coming your way
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I joined the ldschurch.when I was 23 year old and it is the best thing that i ever did.it is God church on earth the way he had when he was hear on earth.