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Title: Hunger
Post by: vmcutshall on November 07, 2012, 09:55:53 am
How many people believe that we should take care of the hunger in the US before we go abroad and help the hungry all over the world?

I am not saying that our nation should not help, but look at all the hunger in the US. I worked at a Head start program and the meals we served there were the only real meal some of our children got to eat. That is why we would let them have as much as they wanted.
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: heroftimes on November 07, 2012, 09:59:06 am
[Sarcasm] The government or anyone else shouldn't be helping anyone, that's communist talk and you're un-american for thinking any of that socialist BS.  This is American and we can all pull ourselves up by the bootstraps without anyone's help! [/Sarcasm]

How many people believe that we should take care of the hunger in the US before we go abroad and help the hungry all over the world?

I am not saying that our nation should not help, but look at all the hunger in the US. I worked at a Head start program and the meals we served there were the only real meal some of our children got to eat. That is why we would let them have as much as they wanted.
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: hitch0403 on November 09, 2012, 10:15:20 pm
[Sarcasm] The government or anyone else shouldn't be helping anyone, that's communist talk and you're un-american for thinking any of that socialist BS.  This is American and we can all pull ourselves up by the bootstraps without anyone's help! [/Sarcasm]

How many people believe that we should take care of the hunger in the US before we go abroad and help the hungry all over the world?

I am not saying that our nation should not help, but look at all the hunger in the US. I worked at a Head start program and the meals we served there were the only real meal some of our children got to eat. That is why we would let them have as much as they wanted.

Consequently let him that thinks he is standing beware that he does not fall.

1st Corinth 10 :12
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: Falconer02 on November 10, 2012, 12:28:01 am
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How many people believe that we should take care of the hunger in the US before we go abroad and help the hungry all over the world?

Basically put, I agree that pulling out of other countries to fix our own problems is a necessary idea atm. It goes with the individual parallel that one cannot help others unless they're in decent shape themselves.

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I worked at a Head start program and the meals we served there were the only real meal some of our children got to eat. That is why we would let them have as much as they wanted.

You're a good person for doing that. I tip my hat to you, stranger.

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[Sarcasm] The government or anyone else shouldn't be helping anyone, that's communist talk and you're un-american for thinking any of that socialist BS.  This is American and we can all pull ourselves up by the bootstraps without anyone's help! [/Sarcasm]

Heheh
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: CharmedPhoenix on November 10, 2012, 12:56:46 am
I agree, we should fix our own problems first.  Like they say on the airlines, put the oxygen mask on yourself first then on your child.  As many parents know if you don't take care of yourself you have less to give your children.   :peace:
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: queenofnines on November 10, 2012, 09:44:09 am
Giving the hungry food will not fix hunger. It ignores the root cause of their situation.
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: BlackSheepNY on November 10, 2012, 11:23:15 am
[Sarcasm] The government or anyone else shouldn't be helping anyone, that's communist talk and you're un-american for thinking any of that socialist BS.  This is American and we can all pull ourselves up by the bootstraps without anyone's help! [/Sarcasm]

How many people believe that we should take care of the hunger in the US before we go abroad and help the hungry all over the world?

I am not saying that our nation should not help, but look at all the hunger in the US. I worked at a Head start program and the meals we served there were the only real meal some of our children got to eat. That is why we would let them have as much as they wanted.

Consequently let him that thinks he is standing beware that he does not fall.

1st Corinth 10 :12

I'm not one for Bible quotes, but that one sure does say it all!!!!
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: hitch0403 on November 10, 2012, 12:58:54 pm
[Sarcasm] The government or anyone else shouldn't be helping anyone, that's communist talk and you're un-american for thinking any of that socialist BS.  This is American and we can all pull ourselves up by the bootstraps without anyone's help! [/Sarcasm]

How many people believe that we should take care of the hunger in the US before we go abroad and help the hungry all over the world?

I am not saying that our nation should not help, but look at all the hunger in the US. I worked at a Head start program and the meals we served there were the only real meal some of our children got to eat. That is why we would let them have as much as they wanted.

Consequently let him that thinks he is standing beware that he does not fall.

1st Corinth 10 :12

I'm not one for Bible quotes, but that one sure does say it all!!!!

Please read 2nd Tim chaptor 3 and you can see how it reveals the times we live in are this.

And in Mathew it says of many food shortages too.

I see people panicing just from this hurricane...this is nothing compared to the great tribulation that will start as soon as governments shut down religeons.Jesus said no flesh would be saved if those days werent cut short.
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: hitch0403 on November 10, 2012, 01:01:05 pm
Math 24:22 reveals it
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: Flackle on November 10, 2012, 06:58:16 pm
I do believe that it is difficult to help someone else when you cannot help yourself.

Also, the main reason why other countries are starving is not because they are not getting enough help. Its because their corrupt governments are bleeding the country dry (thus the reason why they are poor to begin with.) and any amount of donating to them will not solve their problem since these donations just go to feed the beast. If we are to end the worlds problems, we must end all forms of tyranny. The only form of government that works is a republic which allows for an almost completely free economy that is allowed to grow naturally on its own is the most effective means by which to increase the standard living of a countries citizens. This must start at home.
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: hitch0403 on November 10, 2012, 07:09:31 pm
I do believe that it is difficult to help someone else when you cannot help yourself.

Also, the main reason why other countries are starving is not because they are not getting enough help. Its because their corrupt governments are bleeding the country dry (thus the reason why they are poor to begin with.) and any amount of donating to them will not solve their problem since these donations just go to feed the beast. If we are to end the worlds problems, we must end all forms of tyranny. The only form of government that works is a republic which allows for an almost completely free economy that is allowed to grow naturally on its own is the most effective means by which to increase the standard living of a countries citizens. This must start at home.

Man has dominated man to his own injury.....Eccl 8:9
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: Flackle on November 10, 2012, 07:14:32 pm
I do believe that it is difficult to help someone else when you cannot help yourself.

Also, the main reason why other countries are starving is not because they are not getting enough help. Its because their corrupt governments are bleeding the country dry (thus the reason why they are poor to begin with.) and any amount of donating to them will not solve their problem since these donations just go to feed the beast. If we are to end the worlds problems, we must end all forms of tyranny. The only form of government that works is a republic which allows for an almost completely free economy that is allowed to grow naturally on its own is the most effective means by which to increase the standard living of a countries citizens. This must start at home.

Man has dominated man to his own injury.....Eccl 8:9

Religion is on of the biggest cause for this dominating you're speaking of.
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: hitch0403 on November 10, 2012, 07:18:09 pm
I do believe that it is difficult to help someone else when you cannot help yourself.

Also, the main reason why other countries are starving is not because they are not getting enough help. Its because their corrupt governments are bleeding the country dry (thus the reason why they are poor to begin with.) and any amount of donating to them will not solve their problem since these donations just go to feed the beast. If we are to end the worlds problems, we must end all forms of tyranny. The only form of government that works is a republic which allows for an almost completely free economy that is allowed to grow naturally on its own is the most effective means by which to increase the standard living of a countries citizens. This must start at home.

Man has dominated man to his own injury.....Eccl 8:9

Religion is on of the biggest cause for this dominating you're speaking of.

Christendom that claims to teach the bible but doesnt?I agree.
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: Falconer02 on November 11, 2012, 12:22:11 am
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the main reason why other countries are starving is not because they are not getting enough help. Its because their corrupt governments are bleeding the country dry (thus the reason why they are poor to begin with.) and any amount of donating to them will not solve their problem since these donations just go to feed the beast. If we are to end the worlds problems, we must end all forms of tyranny. The only form of government that works is a republic which allows for an almost completely free economy that is allowed to grow naturally on its own is the most effective means by which to increase the standard living of a countries citizens. This must start at home.

As long as the free economy watches for fraudulent behavior, I completely agree.

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I see people panicing just from this hurricane...this is nothing compared to the great tribulation that will start as soon as governments shut down religeons.Jesus said no flesh would be saved if those days werent cut short.

Religion will be it's own demise. It's already happening! Gov't won't have very much to do with it unless you're going to blame the gov't for people having free access to information.

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Christendom that claims to teach the bible but doesnt?I agree.

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Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: Flackle on November 11, 2012, 08:23:16 am
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the main reason why other countries are starving is not because they are not getting enough help. Its because their corrupt governments are bleeding the country dry (thus the reason why they are poor to begin with.) and any amount of donating to them will not solve their problem since these donations just go to feed the beast. If we are to end the worlds problems, we must end all forms of tyranny. The only form of government that works is a republic which allows for an almost completely free economy that is allowed to grow naturally on its own is the most effective means by which to increase the standard living of a countries citizens. This must start at home.

As long as the free economy watches for fraudulent behavior, I completely agree.

Which is why I said almost. Of course we need a court system that will allow people to fight against not only fraud in a criminal sense, but injustice in a civil sense.
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: hitch0403 on November 11, 2012, 01:17:15 pm
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the main reason why other countries are starving is not because they are not getting enough help. Its because their corrupt governments are bleeding the country dry (thus the reason why they are poor to begin with.) and any amount of donating to them will not solve their problem since these donations just go to feed the beast. If we are to end the worlds problems, we must end all forms of tyranny. The only form of government that works is a republic which allows for an almost completely free economy that is allowed to grow naturally on its own is the most effective means by which to increase the standard living of a countries citizens. This must start at home.

As long as the free economy watches for fraudulent behavior, I completely agree.

Which is why I said almost. Of course we need a court system that will allow people to fight against not only fraud in a criminal sense, but injustice in a civil sense.

You keep looking for mankind to solve the problem or his government.....when will you be convinced IT AINT HAPPENING!!
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: Falconer02 on November 11, 2012, 01:37:41 pm
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You keep looking for mankind to solve the problem or his government.....when will you be convinced IT AINT HAPPENING!!

Considering mankind and gov't promotion have erradicated diseases and solved many hunger issues through genetic manipulation and genius farming methods...I think that shows significance that it has already happened, but you're just too ignorant to notice it. If you're argument is "GOVERNMENTS WILL NEVER BE PERFECT!", well yeah. A kid can tell you that. If you believe that there can be a perfect government, you're not living in reality at all.
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: hitch0403 on November 11, 2012, 02:10:18 pm
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You keep looking for mankind to solve the problem or his government.....when will you be convinced IT AINT HAPPENING!!

Considering mankind and gov't promotion have erradicated diseases and solved many hunger issues through genetic manipulation and genius farming methods...I think that shows significance that it has already happened, but you're just too ignorant to notice it. If you're argument is "GOVERNMENTS WILL NEVER BE PERFECT!", well yeah. A kid can tell you that. If you believe that there can be a perfect government, you're not living in reality at all.

If you were any blinder youd bump into yourself!!!
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: Falconer02 on November 11, 2012, 02:33:12 pm
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If you were any blinder youd bump into yourself!!!

If so, please show me how governments haven't evolved since, say, 1000 years ago.
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: hitch0403 on November 11, 2012, 02:40:41 pm
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If you were any blinder youd bump into yourself!!!

If so, please show me how governments haven't evolved since, say, 1000 years ago.

Falconer2 i am not looking to rain on your parade.If you are happy with the worldwide situation of how mankind is governing this planet that is your choice.I am not happy with it and i also dont want to die.

Rather then worry about debating whether God exists or feuding with others why dont you put that energy to better use and go rescue an animal or stop child abuse.....or something along that line of helping others rather than just looking to be argumentive.
Title: Re: Hunger causes cults to florish?
Post by: falcon9 on November 11, 2012, 02:43:14 pm
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If you were any blinder youd bump into yourself!!!

The hypocritical irony of your false assumption isn't even close to being sublime.
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: Falconer02 on November 11, 2012, 05:03:38 pm
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Falconer2 i am not looking to rain on your parade.If you are happy with the worldwide situation of how mankind is governing this planet that is your choice.I am not happy with it and i also dont want to die.

Oh no, I'm not happy with it entirely. It could definitely use a lot of work, but considering how it was in the past, we are spoiled rotten. The fact that I can get up right now and walk a mile to grab a burger is amazing. I am aware of this though and appreciate how far we've come as a species. As far as dying goes, hey, it's part of life.

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Rather then worry about debating whether God exists or feuding with others why dont you put that energy to better use and go rescue an animal or stop child abuse.....or something along that line of helping others rather than just looking to be argumentive.

I actually do rescue animals. My dad and I are volunteer humane investigators in IL. I don't know of any child abusers though so I until then my baseball bat sits in the garage. And c'mon. This is debate and discuss. If you don't want to argue, dont be in this part of the forum!
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: hitch0403 on November 11, 2012, 05:31:44 pm
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Falconer2 i am not looking to rain on your parade.If you are happy with the worldwide situation of how mankind is governing this planet that is your choice.I am not happy with it and i also dont want to die.

Oh no, I'm not happy with it entirely. It could definitely use a lot of work, but considering how it was in the past, we are spoiled rotten. The fact that I can get up right now and walk a mile to grab a burger is amazing. I am aware of this though and appreciate how far we've come as a species. As far as dying goes, hey, it's part of life.

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Rather then worry about debating whether God exists or feuding with others why dont you put that energy to better use and go rescue an animal or stop child abuse.....or something along that line of helping others rather than just looking to be argumentive.

I actually do rescue animals. My dad and I are volunteer humane investigators in IL. I don't know of any child abusers though so I until then my baseball bat sits in the garage. And c'mon. This is debate and discuss. If you don't want to argue, dont be in this part of the forum!

Well again NOT to debate or argue we dont agree on dying.Even before i knew the truth <bible>i didnt accept it.Its unnatural.The bible calls it an enemy and it is.We have all lost loved ones.That in itself proves it by the grief we go thru.

Im glad to hear you rescue animals.I love them especially dogs.The amount of child abuse that goes on in this world is sickening.What i meant for you was if we all can do a something even if it helped 1 child it would be worth the effort...the same even with animals.

I am from NY...ILL eh?I am a big Bears fan.We are playing in a few minutes and i will have game on...they are tough this yr so far.

Sorry you are disppointed by my lack of D&D.I tend to clown around more with it when i sense the discussion isnt going anywheres.I dont find fault with non-believers of bible etc.Its my perception of how they come across when usually the mud slinging starts and even that gets us nowheres.

Anyway keep up the work rescuing the animals.Id like to say they are a gift from God to us but that might turn into a debate...LOL!!

Go Bears!!!
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: lbryanwf on November 11, 2012, 05:47:27 pm
If you knew the Billions of dollars in foreign aid we give to other countries, some of which hate us and want to destroy us, it would make you sick! Look it up in Wikipedia.
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: hitch0403 on November 11, 2012, 05:55:43 pm
If you knew the Billions of dollars in foreign aid we give to other countries, some of which hate us and want to destroy us, it would make you sick! Look it up in Wikipedia.

I am not surprised but again i expect it.....man will never stop it.

Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: vmcutshall on November 12, 2012, 09:06:34 am
I am not thinking like a communist but I do think we need to solve our problems in the US before we go abroad to solve other countries problems. Matt 7:3 states that " And why do you look at the specks in your brothers eye , but do not consider the plank in your own eye?"  Why don't we look at the hunger in our own country first?
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: hitch0403 on November 12, 2012, 04:15:55 pm
VM,food shortages are just 1 of many signs the bible gives that we are living in the last days.

Even if we all went outta our way to try and eradicate it it will never happen.Gods kingdom that we pray for "on earth as in heaven"is only solution for ALL of mankinds problems.

ALL too many people know that but they still look to man for results.It shows what their hearts are really made of.
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: falcon9 on November 12, 2012, 04:19:21 pm
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food shortages are just 1 of many signs the bible gives that we are living in the last days.

There have been food shortages throughout history and using that collection of faith-based superstitions for further faith-based superstitions is irrational.
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: Falconer02 on November 12, 2012, 11:51:25 pm
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Its unnatural.The bible calls it an enemy and it is.We have all lost loved ones.That in itself proves it by the grief we go thru.

Death isn't natural? It's part of life though.

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glad to hear you rescue animals.I love them especially dogs.The amount of child abuse that goes on in this world is sickening.What i meant for you was if we all can do a something even if it helped 1 child it would be worth the effort...the same even with animals.

Total agreement here.

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I am from NY...ILL eh?I am a big Bears fan.We are playing in a few minutes and i will have game on...they are tough this yr so far.

I'm unfortunately not much of a big sports fan, but I watch occasionally. Perhaps it's just that the majority of IL sports teams treat their fans like battered housewives-- even though they keep getting beaten, they keep coming back for more bad treatment! lol

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Its my perception of how they come across when usually the mud slinging starts and even that gets us nowheres.

Well not to point fingers but you are usually the cause of much of the mudslinging. But some advice I would like to give is it's all in how you read the post. Since there's no tone in text, it's important to read someone elses post with no preconceived tone unless it's extremely obvious. Also understand that people here are attacking your stances on an issues initially and not your personal well-being.

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Anyway keep up the work rescuing the animals.Id like to say they are a gift from God to us but that might turn into a debate...LOL!!

I'll go as far as to say if there were a legitimate argument for the existence of a kind deity, it would no doubt be through an argument involving dogs and people! lol
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: ajami on November 13, 2012, 02:24:06 am
Every day thousand of people in this country are going hungry and not I don't see anyone or any other country helping them.  Why not take care of our own first and make sure no child or adult go to bed hungry.  Than help other countries.  Why not this country help stop the wars in the streets every day when we have thousands dying each day because of guns before we go fight other countries wars.  This country too busy helping everyone around the world but their own people.
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: falcon9 on November 13, 2012, 02:42:21 am
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Every day thousand of people in this country are going hungry and not I don't see anyone or any other country helping them.  Why not take care of our own first and make sure no child or adult go to bed hungry.  Than help other countries.  Why not this country help stop the wars in the streets every day when we have thousands dying each day because of guns before we go fight other countries wars.  This country too busy helping everyone around the world but their own people.

Apparently, this country needs to improve the English writing skills of its semi-literate religious leaches before helping other countries as well.
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: hitch0403 on November 13, 2012, 11:06:24 am
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Its unnatural.The bible calls it an enemy and it is.We have all lost loved ones.That in itself proves it by the grief we go thru.

Death isn't natural? It's part of life though.

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glad to hear you rescue animals.I love them especially dogs.The amount of child abuse that goes on in this world is sickening.What i meant for you was if we all can do a something even if it helped 1 child it would be worth the effort...the same even with animals.

Total agreement here.

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I am from NY...ILL eh?I am a big Bears fan.We are playing in a few minutes and i will have game on...they are tough this yr so far.

I'm unfortunately not much of a big sports fan, but I watch occasionally. Perhaps it's just that the majority of IL sports teams treat their fans like battered housewives-- even though they keep getting beaten, they keep coming back for more bad treatment! lol

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Its my perception of how they come across when usually the mud slinging starts and even that gets us nowheres.

Well not to point fingers but you are usually the cause of much of the mudslinging. But some advice I would like to give is it's all in how you read the post. Since there's no tone in text, it's important to read someone elses post with no preconceived tone unless it's extremely obvious. Also understand that people here are attacking your stances on an issues initially and not your personal well-being.

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Anyway keep up the work rescuing the animals.Id like to say they are a gift from God to us but that might turn into a debate...LOL!!

I'll go as far as to say if there were a legitimate argument for the existence of a kind deity, it would no doubt be through an argument involving dogs and people! lol

Falconer2 if you ever go to a wake or a funeral where loving parents tragically lost a child,go up to the parents and tell them death is natural and a part of life.

You might be looking to save your own if you did that.

My Bears lost the other nite and Cutler <qb>got hurt.I dont root for any other Ill teams...im a NYer but i love the Bears.
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: batmobile on November 13, 2012, 12:18:14 pm
How many people believe that we should take care of the hunger in the US before we go abroad and help the hungry all over the world?

I am not saying that our nation should not help, but look at all the hunger in the US. I worked at a Head start program and the meals we served there were the only real meal some of our children got to eat. That is why we would let them have as much as they wanted.
yeah..i agree, but who are we talking about? if you need foodstamps swallow your pride,or get wic,or go to the foodbank...missionaries from several churches also help people in the us and outside the us...example hurricane sandy victims. but the us has always helped others like a codependent mommy what do u expect?
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: Pplaya123 on November 13, 2012, 03:16:47 pm
I definitely believe that the United States needs to help out their own citizens because we have many that fall under poverty and hunger. I think they don't do so because they want to be friendly with other countries to improve trade. Also, the way those other countries starve is much more massive than the United States.
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: Falconer02 on November 13, 2012, 06:41:11 pm
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Falconer2 if you ever go to a wake or a funeral where loving parents tragically lost a child,go up to the parents and tell them death is natural and a part of life.

Deep down they would probably already know this, but I'm sure nobody would want to hear this in that situation so I'm not sure why you'd even suggest this.
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: falcon9 on November 13, 2012, 10:05:09 pm
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Falconer2 if you ever go to a wake or a funeral where loving parents tragically lost a child,go up to the parents and tell them death is natural and a part of life.

Deep down they would probably already know this, but I'm sure nobody would want to hear this in that situation so I'm not sure why you'd even suggest this.

Were I to speculate about such an inquiry, the logical extrapolation leads to the conclusion that jw fundies hold the superstitious belief that physical death is somehow as 'unnatural' as the non-physical 'death' of an ability to reason at the metaphorical 'hands' of blind faith.
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: hitch0403 on November 13, 2012, 10:11:55 pm
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Falconer2 if you ever go to a wake or a funeral where loving parents tragically lost a child,go up to the parents and tell them death is natural and a part of life.

Deep down they would probably already know this, but I'm sure nobody would want to hear this in that situation so I'm not sure why you'd even suggest this.
Because of your foolish quote that death was part of life
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: falcon9 on November 13, 2012, 10:50:57 pm
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Because of your foolish quote that death was part of life

How about, 'life is part of death' - very profound, nyet?
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: Falconer02 on November 13, 2012, 11:15:16 pm
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Because of your foolish quote that death was part of life

How is that foolish? It's factual. Would you rather me reword it? "People die and they cease to be. It is the end of life."
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: hitch0403 on November 13, 2012, 11:47:36 pm
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Because of your foolish quote that death was part of life

How is that foolish? It's factual. Would you rather me reword it? "People die and they cease to be. It is the end of life."
1st Corinth 15 :26
Title: Zombie apocalypse? (was Re: Hunger)
Post by: falcon9 on November 13, 2012, 11:53:44 pm
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Because of your foolish quote that death was part of life

How is that foolish? It's factual. Would you rather me reword it? "People die and they cease to be. It is the end of life."

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1st Corinth 15 :26

The response is a superstitious belief in zombies, sans factual evidence?  That's beyond foolish; it's manifestly irrational.  Zombie apocalypse indeed.
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: Falconer02 on November 14, 2012, 12:07:40 am
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1st Corinth 15 :26

Not everyone looks at death the same way though. Sure it sucks, but some good comes of it. That's a whole discussion in itself!

"I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it."
"I've never killed a man, but I've read many an obituary with a great deal of satisfaction."
-Mark Twain

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The response is a superstitious belief in zombies, sans factual evidence?  That's beyond foolish; it's manifestly irrational.  Zombie apocalypse indeed.

Though I see how you conclude this, JW's actually believe that there will one day be a paradise earth where people will live forever and no pain can come from it. But, obviously, that creates a ton of realistic problems in itself that we could have a field day with.
Title: Zombie apocalypse? (was Re: Hunger)
Post by: falcon9 on November 14, 2012, 12:11:59 am
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The response is a superstitious belief in zombies, sans factual evidence?  That's beyond foolish; it's manifestly irrational.  Zombie apocalypse indeed.

Though I see how you conclude this, JW's actually believe that there will one day be a paradise earth where people will live forever and no pain can come from it. But, obviously, that creates a ton of realistic problems in itself that we could have a field day with.

It's still a zombie pseudo-hypothesis, (in that it isn't testable and relies entirely upon religious belief/faith, sans evidence).  Has Walking Dead not taught us anything?  "Twice in the head assures the zombies are dead."
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: Falconer02 on November 14, 2012, 12:26:31 am
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It's still a zombie pseudo-hypothesis, (in that it isn't testable and relies entirely upon religious belief/faith, sans evidence).  Has Walking Dead not taught us anything?  "Twice in the head assures the zombies are dead."

That is true. I like the simplicity of Zombie Land's "Double Tap" rule!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDJedaxA2eU

(Edit: I like how talking about world/nation hunger probs has gotten so far off that we're talking about zombies)
Title: Re: Hunger {and zombies!}
Post by: falcon9 on November 14, 2012, 12:33:15 am
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It's still a zombie pseudo-hypothesis, (in that it isn't testable and relies entirely upon religious belief/faith, sans evidence).  Has Walking Dead not taught us anything?  "Twice in the head assures the zombies are dead."

That is true. I like the simplicity of Zombie Land's "Double Tap" rule!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDJedaxA2eU

(Edit: I like how talking about world/nation hunger probs has gotten so far off that we're talking about zombies)

Very apropos video!   As for the subject matter juxtapositioning; that's apropos too - on more than one level, (given the religious contentions of 'rising from the dead' and hungry 'zombies').
 :o
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: hitch0403 on November 14, 2012, 09:39:55 am
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1st Corinth 15 :26

Not everyone looks at death the same way though. Sure it sucks, but some good comes of it. That's a whole discussion in itself!

"I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it."
"I've never killed a man, but I've read many an obituary with a great deal of satisfaction."
-Mark Twain

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The response is a superstitious belief in zombies, sans factual evidence?  That's beyond foolish; it's manifestly irrational.  Zombie apocalypse indeed.

Though I see how you conclude this, JW's actually believe that there will one day be a paradise earth where people will live forever and no pain can come from it. But, obviously, that creates a ton of realistic problems in itself that we could have a field day with.
[/quote...Well i guess from what you write you look forward to dying and feel like living forever in a paradise earth in peace would be a burden...LOL!!!!
Maybe you need an animal to rescue you!!LOL!!
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: Falconer02 on November 14, 2012, 12:55:15 pm
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...Well i guess from what you write you look forward to dying and feel like living forever in a paradise earth in peace would be a burden...LOL

It would be. When you have a population that won't die off and procreates, you will have a massive overpopulation problem within a few generations. Considering this-
-It's estimated that 11 billion people is thought to be the point where we will start damaging our planet to the point of resource problems.
-There are 7 billion people on the planet now, and that everyone who ever lived will be resurrected  That's definitely over 11 billion.
-This leads to desertification and thus a lack of food.

That's just one of the many inconsistencies with a "paradise" earth.
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: falcon9 on November 14, 2012, 05:17:57 pm
Do me a favor..before you make an idiotic response like your last one in questioning the Creator....take a few deep breaths first....take a quick nap...and then ask yourself do i wanna make a comment like that?

Why won't you do everyone a favor and find a six-year old who is more intelligent than you are, (any one will do), before you post moronic comments like that?  "Falconeer02's" remarks were derived from rational/logical reasoning while yours demonstrably stem from severely diminsihed cognitive abilities.
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: Falconer02 on November 14, 2012, 05:20:27 pm
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Falconer2 if God was able to create the universe in perfect order among many other things do you really think the earth being over populated in paradise would be too difficult for HIM to handle?

Well yes. He creates an entire universe but needs a rib to create a woman? This god's powers are all over the place-- it's like trying to find the power limits of The Silver Surfer. Realistically how would a god go about correcting this basic flaw I've brought up? Surely it says so in your ancient texts? Because for anyone who has an ounce of skepticism in their system, this is kind of a big deal. "I dunno-- he's god!" is a cop-out statement derived from a unintelligent mind.

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Do me a favor..before you make an idiotic response like your last one in questioning the Creator....take a few deep breaths first....take a quick nap...and then ask yourself do i wanna make a comment like that?

Idiotic? Remember- I'm not the one who believes in ancient mythology. I kindly lower myself to your level of understanding and find that in essence this has been one big comic-book argument. We may argue about who can/can't do what, but ultimately it's fiction. I'm just aware that it's fake. You're not.
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: falcon9 on November 14, 2012, 05:23:39 pm
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Do me a favor..before you make an idiotic response like your last one in questioning the Creator....take a few deep breaths first....take a quick nap...and then ask yourself do i wanna make a comment like that?

Idiotic? Remember- I'm not the one who believes in ancient mythology. I kindly lower myself to your level of understanding and find that in essence this has been one big comic-book argument. We may argue about who can/can't do what, but ultimately it's fiction. I'm just aware that it's fake. You're not.

Well-put.  Of course, such a fundamentalist religious adherent remains too blinded by that 'faith' to see that it's fictional.
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: Falconer02 on November 14, 2012, 05:38:29 pm
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If you wanna believe the bible is ancient mythology then you should at least give them credit for putting it together so well.

...it's not put together well. I'd go in depth, but it's obvious considering your history that you would not look at the obvious proofs. And by the very definition of mythology, that book is ancient mythology.

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Might i add..you came to be by a small amount of sperm that ovalated an egg...why should you question if God used a rib?

Because one is explained through natural origins and the other is a fantasy story. It's like saying "you came to be by a small amount of sperm that ovalated an egg...why should you question that the god Prometheus created us?". There is no difference between the two statements.
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: reiddb on November 14, 2012, 05:45:26 pm
We certainly should NOT go into debt to help someone else....
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: Falconer02 on November 14, 2012, 05:52:23 pm
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OK now u got that offa your chest...go rescue a dog.

I accept your failure to continue the argument. Back to the main subject at hand.
Title: Re: Hunger
Post by: falcon9 on November 14, 2012, 05:58:05 pm
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OK now u got that offa your chest...go rescue a dog.

I accept your failure to continue the argument. Back to the main subject at hand.

If score was being kept, it would be no contest:
- rationality: several hundred reasoned conclusions
- irrationality: zero