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killed women and children, then tortured and starved the man until he accepted their religion ???
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Job is the story about a man who had great wealth and great faith. satan being the mean one that he is tried to tell God that if God took away these things and people from him that Job would turn his back on God. Job kept hanging in there and God brought back all the blessings he had before. Sounds like you have the story wrong. Did you read the Book of Job?
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Job is the story about a man who had great wealth and great faith. satan being the mean one that he is tried to tell God that if God took away these things and people from him that Job would turn his back on God. Job kept hanging in there and God brought back all the blessings he had before. Sounds like you have the story wrong. Did you read the Book of Job?
So God was "tempted" by Satan to inflict cruelty on an innocent human just to win what amounts to a bet between God and Satan? You'd expect a lot more from the supreme creator.
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I haven't read it yet I was going by what my fiance said but he did show me once where it talked about chaining man down and starving him to the point where you could see his bones.
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Many of the accounts in the Old Testament need to be read in their entirety, including perhaps a translation with it, to help clarify what some of the words meant. Also, a Bible handbook helps with understanding the culture and ways of the times back then. God loved and blessed His people, yet punished when they went astray. Just as a parent today disciplines their child when they disobey.
There were people like Job who were deeply devoted to God, and Satan could not stand it. God does not tempt - Satan felt Job would turn on God if too much happened against him, and God allowed Satan to test Job, but the stipulation was that Satan could not and would not be allowed to take Job's life. Yes, Job lost his family, but he was blessed by God, afterwards, with the same he lost and more. He was given a new and fresh start by God for staying committed to God, even through the rough times.
Is your fiance supporting your decision or is he trying to "*bleep*" you with things like this that makes God appear the bad one? Thank you for taking the time to ask anything like this you aren't sure about.
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Though it's unlikely you'll answer this; why are you spamming with multiple religious threads when you could keep it all to one thread?
killed women and children, then tortured and starved the man until he accepted their religion ???
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Many of the accounts in the Old Testament need to be read in their entirety, including perhaps a translation with it, to help clarify what some of the words meant. Also, a Bible handbook helps with understanding the culture and ways of the times back then. God loved and blessed His people, yet punished when they went astray. Just as a parent today disciplines their child when they disobey.
Yes, except Job hadn't gone astray if you read the first chapter of the Book of Job so the intent couldn't have been punitive. In fact, God boosts about what a blameless and upright man he is to Satan (Job 1:2) which sets it all in motion. The parental analogy really doesn't hold up because no loving parent would willing allow a third party to abuse his or her child. Under the law, most, if not all, jurisdictions would prosecute both parties for child abuse.
Try reading Carl Jung's Answer to Job if you are interested in considering other points of view. Since Jung's father was a minister, Carl Jung did not publish it during his father's lifetime. Basically, Jung concludes that God as described in the Old Testament and the Book of Job in particular is not only arbitrary and capricious, but schizophrenic given his actions (or lack thereof).
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Many of the accounts in the Old Testament need to be read in their entirety, including perhaps a translation with it, to help clarify what some of the words meant. Also, a Bible handbook helps with understanding the culture and ways of the times back then. God loved and blessed His people, yet punished when they went astray. Just as a parent today disciplines their child when they disobey.
Yes, except Job hadn't gone astray if you read the first chapter of the Book of Job so the intent couldn't have been punitive. In fact, God boosts about what a blameless and upright man he is to Satan (Job 1:2) which sets it all in motion. The parental analogy really doesn't hold up because no loving parent would willing allow a third party to abuse his or her child. Under the law, most, if not all, jurisdictions would prosecute both parties for child abuse.
Try reading Carl Jung's Answer to Job if you are interested in considering other points of view. Since Jung's father was a minister, Carl Jung did not publish it during his father's lifetime. Basically, Jung concludes that God as described in the Old Testament and the Book of Job in particular is not only arbitrary and capricious, but schizophrenic given his actions (or lack thereof).
Logic is wasted on those blinded by religious faith. The utility of using reasoning to refute superstitious irrationality is not to persuade the already-blind but, to present rational viewpoints in opposition to the illogical religious ones.
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Of course there were many other servants of God just like Job.
Jesus giving the best example that Adam could have loved and obeyed God after being treated as a criminal and put to death and holding fast his integrity to his father.
Adam wasnt deprived of anything.He rejected Gods right to rule after satan challenged it in Eden saying man wouldnt die and he can be independent of his creator.We all see how that worked out.Man dies and just look at the world governed apart from Jehovah.
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This doesn't sound like the story of Job from the Bible.You must remember to read every book in context.(From beginning to end,to understand the meaning more clearly.)
The main purpose of Job's story is to teach faith.No one can truly know or understand why things happen.But God does.And if we put our faith in Him,we can be assured that all will be for our good,as in Job's case.
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'How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?'
None. There's no evidence to support the existence of such supernatural entities since blind faith and empty belief aren't evidence. Such 'theo-illogical non-arguments' are inherently moot since their initial premise is invalid.
He rejected Gods right to rule
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BK_Adores_Chase,
Based on your question, I don't think your fiancee actually read the book of Job.
Also, while asking for answers to questions you are asking here on FC might get you some helpful answers, you will also get a lot of people answering who are mostly well intentioned but are just going off of what someone told them. That isn't to say that you didn't get some good answers here. Actually some of them were quite good.
However, I would encourage you to do two things in addition to asking questions here:
1. Find a local church in your area, get involved and find someone there who is knowledgeable about your questions. Most pastors have a pretty good education on the Bible and are happy to sit down with you and answer questions. I could certainly answer the questions that you have asked here, but I believe it will be much more beneficial to you if you can have your questions answered by people who you are able to interact with face to face and with whom you can have ongoing relationships.
2. If as you are studying the Bible, you come across an issue or question, you can use sites like this, but you should also check out carm.org. If they haven't answered it, they probably can in their discussion threads.
P.S. - As someone who reads Greek and Hebrew, I would say that the KJV is not better than other translations in terms of accuracy. The NIV is a great translation - translated idea for idea - so it is very fluid and easy to read. The NAS is a great translation it is translated word for word but that makes it more wooden and more difficult to read. The ESV is a good marriage between those two. I would commend any of those 3 translations to you over the King James, not because I want to put down the King James Version, but because some of the archaic language makes it more difficult for most to read and therefore tougher to understand.
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And i recommend the NWT cos Gods name is used throughout.
In Ezekeil the phrase "The nations will know i am Jehovah"appears many times.
Jesus said,"I have made your name known the only true God and the one you sent forth"
The Lords prayer,"Hallowed be thy name"
Moses asked God,who should i say sent me
KJV..read Psalms 83:18
Need i go on?
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Need i go on?
With more specious religious propaganda? Why ask when your cult compels you thusly?
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To anyone who isn't aware:
The NWT or New World Translation is the translation that is only used by Jehovah's Witnesses. It is the single worst translation available today and is deliberately mistranslated to fit their agenda. I would commend that one to you about as much as Thomas Jefferson's "translation" of the Bible.
And just fyi...God's name is not Jehovah. In Hebrew if you take the vowels from "Elohim" (in this case the form Eloha) which is the generic name for God and put them under the consonants of God's name, you get Jehovah (YeHoVa). If you use the vowels that are actually there, then you get YAHWEH. That is the name of the God of the Bible that is typically translated in English "The LORD."
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Many of the accounts in the Old Testament need to be read in their entirety, including perhaps a translation with it, to help clarify what some of the words meant. Also, a Bible handbook helps with understanding the culture and ways of the times back then. God loved and blessed His people, yet punished when they went astray. Just as a parent today disciplines their child when they disobey.
Yes, except Job hadn't gone astray if you read the first chapter of the Book of Job so the intent couldn't have been punitive. In fact, God boosts about what a blameless and upright man he is to Satan (Job 1:2) which sets it all in motion. The parental analogy really doesn't hold up because no loving parent would willing allow a third party to abuse his or her child. Under the law, most, if not all, jurisdictions would prosecute both parties for child abuse.
Try reading Carl Jung's Answer to Job if you are interested in considering other points of view. Since Jung's father was a minister, Carl Jung did not publish it during his father's lifetime. Basically, Jung concludes that God as described in the Old Testament and the Book of Job in particular is not only arbitrary and capricious, but schizophrenic given his actions (or lack thereof).
you seem to miss the universal issue here.First off in Eden satan challenges Jehovahs right to rule.Then in Job satan contends man only serves God for selfish reasons.Didnt God allow Jesus to be put to death?Jesus gave the best answer out of LOVE and that there is only 1 TRUE God and rightful ruler of the universe.
Satan proved a liar.....Gods name vindicated!!This will never happen again.It is proved once and for all by what Jesus did that Jehovah is God!!Wasnt Jesus Jehovahs begotten son?Stop putting human elements in this for child abuse.GEEESHHHHHH always comparing mans crap to Gods thooughts.
The name Jehovah means "He causes to become"
His purpose of creating man and being the rightful sovereign will come to pass.Satan threw a roadblock in it but it will end soon.
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The name Jehovah means "He causes to become"
No, it doesn't mean that except to the faith-blinded.
The NWT or New World Translation is the translation that is only used by Jehovah's Witnesses. It is the single worst translation available today and is deliberately mistranslated to fit their agenda.
And just fyi...God's name is not Jehovah. In Hebrew if you take the vowels from "Elohim" (in this case the form Eloha) which is the generic name for God and put them under the consonants of God's name, you get Jehovah (YeHoVa). If you use the vowels that are actually there, then you get YAHWEH. That is the name of the God of the Bible that is typically translated in English "The LORD."
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To anyone who isn't aware:
The NWT or New World Translation is the translation that is only used by Jehovah's Witnesses. It is the single worst translation available today and is deliberately mistranslated to fit their agenda. I would commend that one to you about as much as Thomas Jefferson's "translation" of the Bible.
And just fyi...God's name is not Jehovah. In Hebrew if you take the vowels from "Elohim" (in this case the form Eloha) which is the generic name for God and put them under the consonants of God's name, you get Jehovah (YeHoVa). If you use the vowels that are actually there, then you get YAHWEH. That is the name of the God of the Bible that is typically translated in English "The LORD."
The name Jehovah doesnt only appear in NWT.I told u if u read my posts KJV Psalms 83:18.
Go resurrect Jefferson
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Yes, and the KJV has it wrong too. Not a huge deal, I'm just letting you know what it actually says in Hebrew since I can read it.
However, if you are really promoting the reading of the New World Translation, then I have very little interest in anything you have to say.
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To anyone who isn't aware:
The NWT or New World Translation is the translation that is only used by Jehovah's Witnesses. It is the single worst translation available today and is deliberately mistranslated to fit their agenda. I would commend that one to you about as much as Thomas Jefferson's "translation" of the Bible.
And just fyi...God's name is not Jehovah. In Hebrew if you take the vowels from "Elohim" (in this case the form Eloha) which is the generic name for God and put them under the consonants of God's name, you get Jehovah (YeHoVa). If you use the vowels that are actually there, then you get YAHWEH. That is the name of the God of the Bible that is typically translated in English "The LORD."
Go resurrect Jefferson
Such are the diversionary dodges stemming from blind religious faith and belief without evidentiary basis.
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Yes, and the KJV has it wrong too. Not a huge deal, I'm just letting you know what it actually says in Hebrew since I can read it.
However, if you are really promoting the reading of the New World Translation, then I have very little interest in anything you have to say.
As the evidence of numerous posts show, all that particular "jehovah's witness" is here to do; proselytize a superstitious religious belief and not support his specious contentions with evidence.
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:) Don't forget that all of Job's losses were restored.
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Yes, and the KJV has it wrong too. Not a huge deal, I'm just letting you know what it actually says in Hebrew since I can read it.
However, if you are really promoting the reading of the New World Translation, then I have very little interest in anything you have to say.
Well i do support NWT and KJV and the feeling is mutual.
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I don't have a problem with the KJV, but if you support the New World Translation, then I have news for you: you are in a cult. That is all.
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:) Don't forget that all of Job's losses were restored.
Even more apropos, don't forget that all of this is based upon superstious hearsay, not facts and upon specious religious beliefs, not evidence.
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:) Don't forget that all of Job's losses were restored.
Yes TFW...God rewarded Jobs integrity
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I don't have a problem with the KJV, but if you support the New World Translation, then I have news for you: you are in a cult. That is all.
The poster you are referring to has previously indicated membership in the jw cult, (of course, cultists are inherently blind to this fact).
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I don't have a problem with the KJV, but if you support the New World Translation, then I have news for you: you are in a cult. That is all.
Of course i knew more was coming with the cult crap.Typical...you have no interest you say but you must get your digs in too?
Take your shovel elsewhere.The bible says let your yes mean yes and no mean no.If you have no interest fine....leave it be and end it.
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I don't have a problem with the KJV, but if you support the New World Translation, then I have news for you: you are in a cult. That is all.
Of course i knew more was coming with the cult crap.Typical...you have no interest you say but you must get your digs in too?
Take your shovel elsewhere.The bible says let your yes mean yes and no mean no.If you have no interest fine....leave it be and end it.
In other words, the jw cultist is unable to sway you from facts with specious religious propagandizing so, he will fling textual 'poo' and try subverting others with such superstitious brain-washings.
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:) Don't forget that all of Job's losses were restored.
After your family is slaughtered senselessly just so God/Jehovah/Yahweh can prove to Satan that he's top dog, I don't really think they can be replaced in the same way land, cattle and other chattel might be. You may get a second family, but I doubt that they would replace the first or restore you to your previous state.
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Job 1 21-22
The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away;
may the name of the Lord be praised.”
In all this, Job did not sin by charging God with wrongdoing.
If Job didn't blame God for Satan's actions,why should you?
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:) Don't forget that all of Job's losses were restored.
After your family is slaughtered senselessly just so God/Jehovah/Yahweh can prove to Satan that he's top dog, I don't really think they can be replaced in the same way land, cattle and other chattel might be. You may get a second family, but I doubt that they would replace the first or restore you to your previous state.
Nhend.....that is a very valid point and i think of that too.But remember God allowed Jesus his son to be sacrificed too.Jesus said the greatest gift of love one can give is their life.God will resurrect Jobs family to life again.Its a universal issue that satan brought up that needed to be addressed once and for all time and it will NEVR have to be addressed again in Gods kingdom after all the enemies are gone.Also remember this,if God had destroyed A&E before they had offspring where would the human race be?God knew some of the offspring would love him and obey him after all satans accusations.
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satans accusations.
Indeed. Belief-based hearsay doesn't constitute valid evidence of anything except blind faith.
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Many of the accounts in the Old Testament need to be read in their entirety, including perhaps a translation with it, to help clarify what some of the words meant. Also, a Bible handbook helps with understanding the culture and ways of the times back then. God loved and blessed His people, yet punished when they went astray. Just as a parent today disciplines their child when they disobey.
There were people like Job who were deeply devoted to God, and Satan could not stand it. God does not tempt - Satan felt Job would turn on God if too much happened against him, and God allowed Satan to test Job, but the stipulation was that Satan could not and would not be allowed to take Job's life. Yes, Job lost his family, but he was blessed by God, afterwards, with the same he lost and more. He was given a new and fresh start by God for staying committed to God, even through the rough times.
Is your fiance supporting your decision or is he trying to "*bleep*" you with things like this that makes God appear the bad one? Thank you for taking the time to ask anything like this you aren't sure about.
I dunno, I told him I am the happiest I have ever been and asked him to keep his thoughts to himself and not try to shake my faith. A long time ago, him and his friend were arguing about the topic and I remember him saying, "I hate shutting people down like that but they are so stupid" - I told him if he hated doing it than don't do it to me. Everyone has a right to their own beliefs and there is nothing wrong with what I have decided to believe in. I am just interested to see how things go when I try to teach my kids about it all.
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Though it's unlikely you'll answer this; why are you spamming with multiple religious threads when you could keep it all to one thread?
Well, I mean all of this topics are similar but the aren't the same - maybe some people only have answers to some of my questions!
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BK,
Instead of fishing for Christian excuses justifying why the Bible is so vile, why not think for yourself instead?
I was once a Christian who, like you, began to read the Bible from cover to cover. Unlike most Christians, however, I actually took what it said seriously. Because I'm not the type of person who can "make peace" with stuff that is outright horrible, illogical and just plain against common sense, there is no way that I could just "accept" what was written in there as okay...I wouldn't be able to respect myself as a person, because so much of what is written in that "holy" book is NOT okay.
You're at a crossroads as a new Bible reading Christian: You can either choose Path A, which is oppressing your instincts in regards to the Bible's messed up contents..."rationalize" the irrationality of it all away, get in the habit of not questioning the true nature of things, and join the scared masses into deluding yourself that your religion is the "correct" one.
Or Path B, call a spade a spade and realize that the only reason you're choosing the religion that you are is entirely due to where you were born. Pay attention to how things really are in reality; question and crosscheck EVERYTHING. Ask yourself what's more likely; that science and all of its evidence is some kind of conspiracy theory due to a "devil", or maybe...just maybe...the earth is simply full of a bunch of still primitively minded beings who have to invent invisible deities because they are terrified of their own mortality.
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Many of the accounts in the Old Testament need to be read in their entirety, including perhaps a translation with it, to help clarify what some of the words meant. Also, a Bible handbook helps with understanding the culture and ways of the times back then. God loved and blessed His people, yet punished when they went astray. Just as a parent today disciplines their child when they disobey.
There were people like Job who were deeply devoted to God, and Satan could not stand it. God does not tempt - Satan felt Job would turn on God if too much happened against him, and God allowed Satan to test Job, but the stipulation was that Satan could not and would not be allowed to take Job's life. Yes, Job lost his family, but he was blessed by God, afterwards, with the same he lost and more. He was given a new and fresh start by God for staying committed to God, even through the rough times.
Is your fiance supporting your decision or is he trying to "*bleep*" you with things like this that makes God appear the bad one? Thank you for taking the time to ask anything like this you aren't sure about.
I dunno, I told him I am the happiest I have ever been and asked him to keep his thoughts to himself and not try to shake my faith. A long time ago, him and his friend were arguing about the topic and I remember him saying, "I hate shutting people down like that but they are so stupid" - I told him if he hated doing it than don't do it to me. Everyone has a right to their own beliefs and there is nothing wrong with what I have decided to believe in. I am just interested to see how things go when I try to teach my kids about it all.
BK, if your fiancee is an atheist or agnostic and you have decided to be a Christian, then I doubt that you are going to have a very pleasant marriage and life together. Also, the fact that he would belittle you to his friends by indicating that you are stupid means that he does not respect you. If you choose to marry him, he is going to model this lack of respect to any children you might have and they will probably hold you in the same contempt.
As a divorce attorney, I can say that your odds of getting a divorce at some point are greater than the national average of about 50%. In dealing with battered women, most of them tell me what began as verbal abuse ended up being physical. You aren't married to this man yet so now is the best time to get out of this situation before you are financially bound together or you bring innocent children in to this. Even if I don't have the same beliefs as you, you have a right to believe as you choose. I just don't think you are going to have the opportunity to do that freely in this relationship the way you have described it here.
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... maybe some people only have answers to some of my questions! I am just interested to see how things go when I try to teach my kids about it all.
With this many threads going, if you're not fishing for comebacks to the challenges of someone you may marry, (and just padding post count, as you alluded to), why is indoctrinating children into a superstitious belief sysytem even being considered?
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For the word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit,and of joints and their marrow,and is able to discern thoughts and intentions of the heart.
Hebrews 4:12
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For the word of God is alive ...
Nope; that's an unfounded religious claim made about a collection of unfounded religious hearsay which was never "alive".
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Many of the accounts in the Old Testament need to be read in their entirety, including perhaps a translation with it, to help clarify what some of the words meant. Also, a Bible handbook helps with understanding the culture and ways of the times back then. God loved and blessed His people, yet punished when they went astray. Just as a parent today disciplines their child when they disobey.
There were people like Job who were deeply devoted to God, and Satan could not stand it. God does not tempt - Satan felt Job would turn on God if too much happened against him, and God allowed Satan to test Job, but the stipulation was that Satan could not and would not be allowed to take Job's life. Yes, Job lost his family, but he was blessed by God, afterwards, with the same he lost and more. He was given a new and fresh start by God for staying committed to God, even through the rough times.
Is your fiance supporting your decision or is he trying to "*bleep*" you with things like this that makes God appear the bad one? Thank you for taking the time to ask anything like this you aren't sure about.
I dunno, I told him I am the happiest I have ever been and asked him to keep his thoughts to himself and not try to shake my faith. A long time ago, him and his friend were arguing about the topic and I remember him saying, "I hate shutting people down like that but they are so stupid" - I told him if he hated doing it than don't do it to me. Everyone has a right to their own beliefs and there is nothing wrong with what I have decided to believe in. I am just interested to see how things go when I try to teach my kids about it all.
BK, if your fiancee is an atheist or agnostic and you have decided to be a Christian, then I doubt that you are going to have a very pleasant marriage and life together. Also, the fact that he would belittle you to his friends by indicating that you are stupid means that he does not respect you. If you choose to marry him, he is going to model this lack of respect to any children you might have and they will probably hold you in the same contempt.
As a divorce attorney, I can say that your odds of getting a divorce at some point are greater than the national average of about 50%. In dealing with battered women, most of them tell me what began as verbal abuse ended up being physical. You aren't married to this man yet so now is the best time to get out of this situation before you are financially bound together or you bring innocent children in to this. Even if I don't have the same beliefs as you, you have a right to believe as you choose. I just don't think you are going to have the opportunity to do that freely in this relationship the way you have described it here.
You have made some excellent points. I wanted to say a couple of those things, but didn't feel it was my place. However, I hope she will prayerfully take these things into consideration, especially when thinking of having children, placed in the middle of a believer and non-believer. I will keep praying for her, for strength, wisdom, and understanding, as she grows spiritually in God.
I think it was you I read about in a different thread that you are an ordained minister? And an attorney? You are one busy person.
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Many of the accounts in the Old Testament need to be read in their entirety, including perhaps a translation with it, to help clarify what some of the words meant. Also, a Bible handbook helps with understanding the culture and ways of the times back then. God loved and blessed His people, yet punished when they went astray. Just as a parent today disciplines their child when they disobey.
There were people like Job who were deeply devoted to God, and Satan could not stand it. God does not tempt - Satan felt Job would turn on God if too much happened against him, and God allowed Satan to test Job, but the stipulation was that Satan could not and would not be allowed to take Job's life. Yes, Job lost his family, but he was blessed by God, afterwards, with the same he lost and more. He was given a new and fresh start by God for staying committed to God, even through the rough times.
Is your fiance supporting your decision or is he trying to "*bleep*" you with things like this that makes God appear the bad one? Thank you for taking the time to ask anything like this you aren't sure about.
I dunno, I told him I am the happiest I have ever been and asked him to keep his thoughts to himself and not try to shake my faith. A long time ago, him and his friend were arguing about the topic and I remember him saying, "I hate shutting people down like that but they are so stupid" - I told him if he hated doing it than don't do it to me. Everyone has a right to their own beliefs and there is nothing wrong with what I have decided to believe in. I am just interested to see how things go when I try to teach my kids about it all.
BK, if your fiancee is an atheist or agnostic and you have decided to be a Christian, then I doubt that you are going to have a very pleasant marriage and life together. Also, the fact that he would belittle you to his friends by indicating that you are stupid means that he does not respect you. If you choose to marry him, he is going to model this lack of respect to any children you might have and they will probably hold you in the same contempt.
As a divorce attorney, I can say that your odds of getting a divorce at some point are greater than the national average of about 50%. In dealing with battered women, most of them tell me what began as verbal abuse ended up being physical. You aren't married to this man yet so now is the best time to get out of this situation before you are financially bound together or you bring innocent children in to this. Even if I don't have the same beliefs as you, you have a right to believe as you choose. I just don't think you are going to have the opportunity to do that freely in this relationship the way you have described it here.
You have made some excellent points. I wanted to say a couple of those things, but didn't feel it was my place. However, I hope she will prayerfully take these things into consideration, especially when thinking of having children, placed in the middle of a believer and non-believer. I will keep praying for her, for strength, wisdom, and understanding, as she grows spiritually in God.
I think it was you I read about in a different thread that you are an ordained minister? And an attorney? You are one busy person.
Yes, being an attorney is my primary profession, but I am an ordained minister too. Fortunately, I don't have small children to care for or I'd just be chronically sleep deprived. I hope that she will listen to you and give your opinion careful consideration even if she dismisses me. I have seen enough victims of abuse of all sorts to hope that it doesn't happen to anyone. No one deserves that.
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I t would be great if people would take the time to read the Bible in its entirety. The lliving Bible is in everyday language so everyone can understand.
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I t would be great if people would take the time to read the Bible in its entirety.
I disagree; spreading a self-deluding religious mind-virus which induces blind faith and eschews reason even further is irresponsible.
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Any "historical accuracy" in some collection of metaphysical inaccuracies does not equate to accurate validation, or evidence to support, the unsubstatiated supernatural claims, specious supernatural attributions and plain old fictions contained in the same jumble of religious hearsay. Making such a false implied conflation is disingenuous.