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I'm just wondering what everyones opinions on this topic are. Personally, I support it more than anything, I'd like to see what other people think though. :female: :female: :male: :male: :female: :male:
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I completely support gay rights and marriage. People find happiness in all sorts of genres, let them be who or with whomever they choose as their partner.
Its hard to find happiness in this world. :thumbsup:
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Thats exactly right, everyone has the right to be happy, and if they want to share that happiness with a partner of the same sex, it is their choice. Thanks for sharing your opinion =]
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The Westboro church was the thing that threw me in favor of supporting gay marriage :thumbsup:
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I support it. People can not chose who they love. People that are gay are born gay. There is nothing wrong with it. I can do marriages and I would be happy to marry a gay couple. They should be treated the same way as everyone else.
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i guess 3 way
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The Westboro church was the thing that threw me in favor of supporting gay marriage :thumbsup:
Not the simple fact that everyone should have equal rights? Not the fact seperate but equal is still discrimination?
I mean, I agree that those people are disgusting but... really? THAT was your breaking point? :BangHead:
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i think if we slouldnt be with the same sex than we would never be able to feel that way so i think its fine..if they make u happy!! :thumbsup: :wave:
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What ever people want is cool to me...who are we to judge?
My best friends are gay and I even have some relatives that are and if they want to get married...go for it.
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i guess it depends on religion, but yeah i have no reason to judge, they can do whatever they want as long as it is not me >.<
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I don't care.
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Let the people love. :icon_rr:
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I believe that all have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Marriage is a contract for children. Love is blind.
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I support gay marriage all the way. Everyone deserves to be happy. ;D ;D
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Why does anybody need an oppinion...This Culture Defines what Male and Female is other Cultures have up to 5 Accepted Genders.
Having Anatomy doesn't determine who you are....It just determines how people see you.
I never understand why people need to talk about this...their just people, leave them alone...treat them who they are....
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Im 100% against gay marriage...
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Not the simple fact that everyone should have equal rights? Not the fact seperate but equal is still discrimination?
I mean, I agree that those people are disgusting but... really? THAT was your breaking point?
Actually my tale of acceptance is much longer then simply watching the Westboro Churches marchings...I just said that for a laugh.
Back in the day I was raised with my family thinking "nah it's gross" and my neighbors thinking "IT'S IN THE BIBLE THAT GAYS SHOULD BE PUT TO DEATH!" so I was always questioning if it really was bad. Now I know a few gay guys (before and after they came out) and there's really no major difference between them and the rest of my friends. They're both great people. That, and I realize now the religious front is friggin' pathetic argument.
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No. Completely against it. Read the earlier thread about this. You might get a kick out of what some people said.
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I am 100% against it, I would never love to see my son or daughter act like that, They are not normal pepole, They would never be able to have a child for their own and they are wasting their time and life, This is what I think
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I support gay marriage!!!
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am 100% against it, I would never love to see my son or daughter act like that, They are not normal pepole, They would never be able to have a child for their own and they are wasting their time and life, This is what I think
I have a few questions for ya...if your son or daughter came out, would you disown them? If they're not normal people, then why are my gay friends completely normal? I'd bet you a lot of money you couldn't even tell they were gay unless they told you. True they cannot have a child of their own, but why not adoption or artificial insemination? Despite what you may think, children with same-sex parents usually grow up fine. And if they're wasting their lives, why are they decent caring people that want to have a chance to get married? YOUR ILLOGICAL PARADOXES PERPLEX ME!
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I am 100% against it, I would never love to see my son or daughter act like that, They are not normal pepole, They would never be able to have a child for their own and they are wasting their time and life, This is what I think
So you would reject your son or daughter for feeling affection and love?
Not accepting gay marriage is like not accepting straight marriage.
You're rejecting people for loving.
People cannot control who they love, it is not a choice.
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I am 100% against it, I would never love to see my son or daughter act like that, They are not normal pepole, They would never be able to have a child for their own and they are wasting their time and life, This is what I think
So you would reject your son or daughter for feeling affection and love?
Not accepting gay marriage is like not accepting straight marriage.
You're rejecting people for loving.
People cannot control who they love, it is not a choice.
Bravo!!!
Culture defines Gender not Nature.....Its a matter of genetics.
Whos Business is it anyway?
The Beasteology Argument is Stupid...the only people that ever get caught with an animal are hicks without education living in backwoods areas.
But I say that if you can't love your child Unconditionally without exception....then you don't deserve to have them.
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God made man/woman. Against my religion. Im totally against it
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well..... if all guys married guys, and all girls married girls.... in about a hundred years, the human race would be extinct and earth and its animals will be saved!!!
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I am 100% against it, I would never love to see my son or daughter act like that, They are not normal pepole, They would never be able to have a child for their own and they are wasting their time and life, This is what I think
Neither can sterile couples. Make a point.
well..... if all guys married guys, and all girls married girls.... in about a hundred years, the human race would be extinct and earth and its animals will be saved!!!
And all guys aren't going to marry each other and all girls aren't going to marry each other. You're arguing red herrings that make absolutely zero sense. Think before posting.
At times, when I read this -- and I'll put it bluntly -- just plain bullshit, I have to talk myself out of jumping out a window because of my depression caused by the ignorance and lack of critical thinking mankind consistently exhibits. If you're opposed to something, take five damn minutes and put some logical thought into the reasons you oppose it. Do not say ridiculously stupid crap like "if all men married men the human race would go extinct" and expect to be taken seriously.
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At times, when I read this -- and I'll put it bluntly -- just plain bullshit, I have to talk myself out of jumping out a window because of my depression caused by the ignorance and lack of critical thinking mankind consistently exhibits. If you're opposed to something, take five damn minutes and put some logical thought into the reasons you oppose it. Do not say ridiculously stupid crap like "if all men married men the human race would go extinct" and expect to be taken seriously.
They're ignorant hicks from Jesusland. You'd have a better chance convincing dogs than with ignorant 'god-fearin' folk who hate humans for their love towards one another. It's a moral quandry they will never be able to wrap their heads around because they are simply naive and retarded. Do me a favor and watch Idiocracy and understand you ARE the main character!
To anyone who believe homosexuality is utterly horrible and wrong, do the world a favor and go to youtube and look up "John Corvino Whats wrong with homosexuality" and watch it. If you still think it's wrong, please do not procreate!
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just one more reason my family doesn't like me very much: i am a staunch supporter of gay marriage. my sister is married to her partner, and i am so glad that she lives in mass. and was able to do that. they were life partners already, but many of us were glad they were able to be married as well.
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I'm ok with a gay UNION. Gay marriage to me isn't possible. I don't mind that people are gay and I honestly think they should be able to have the same rights as a married man and woman. It's probably not the popular opinion, but I really think that's a fair solution to the issue. Isn't that what this is all about? Having equal rights?? You should be able to designate whoever you want to do whatever you want in your life-whether you're gay or straight or whatever!!
If you don't like the answer to this question, you definitely won't like the answer to the question "is it natural?" Would I stop caring about someone I loved if I found out they were gay? Of course not. But I don't think it's a natural thing.
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I'm ok with a gay UNION. Gay marriage to me isn't possible. I don't mind that people are gay and I honestly think they should be able to have the same rights as a married man and woman. It's probably not the popular opinion, but I really think that's a fair solution to the issue. Isn't that what this is all about? Having equal rights?? You should be able to designate whoever you want to do whatever you want in your life-whether you're gay or straight or whatever!!
If you don't like the answer to this question, you definitely won't like the answer to the question "is it natural?" Would I stop caring about someone I loved if I found out they were gay? Of course not. But I don't think it's a natural thing.
You're of the opinion that separate but equal is really equal. I'm not. It's not equality when you say "you all can have these rights, but we're still going to treat you differently and isolate you from the rest of people in society. Enjoy!"
Nothing equal about that. Giving blacks equal levels of education, new books, good teachers, etc. but still making them specifically go to all black schools wouldn't have been equal.
Everything humans do is natural. People like to think they're not part of nature, that they're above it. Simply arrogant thought. We are as much a part of nature as any other living organism on this planet. If humans do it, it is natural.
You wouldn't say monkeys/apes engaging in homosexual activity (and they do, along with over 1,500 documented and researched species) is unnatural, would you? How can a monkey/ape do something unnatural? They can't circumvent the laws of physics, the laws of chemistry, or the laws of nature in general, which is what it would require to classify something as "unnatural." Humans cannot do any of these things either; thus everything they do remains natural -- a part of nature.
This concept of "unnatural" does not make any logical sense.
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I BELIEVE EVERY-ONE AS A RIGHT TO BE HAPPY AND LOVE WHO THEY CHOOSE AND IF THEY CHOOSE TO BE GAY THEN THAT IS THERE CHOOSE WHO ARE WE TO JUDGE
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Well, my opinion... I don't really care if someone is gay or not. I personally am NOT for it, meaning it's not my slice of pie. My son's godfather is gay. However, I don't understand why gays need a marriage instead of a civil union. Practically the same thing to the state. Marriage is strictly between man and a woman. Anyone reading this can hate me all they want, but this is still my opinion. On the flip side... some people just can't help loving someone who is the same gender. So, my opinion is obviously flawed. :(
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I totally agree with it and completely think that allowing gay marriage could improve the economy - seriously some people would spend some serious cash if they could legally be married. It makes me mad that religion is the sole reason the law cant be passed; separation of church and state was supposed to be a backbone of our nation to separate us from Europe.
Margaret Cho made an excellent point in her Beautiful special - most people who are against gay marriage either have no gay friends or would not be attending a gay wedding to begin with, so what is there left to be offended over?
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Well, my opinion... I don't really care if someone is gay or not. I personally am NOT for it, meaning it's not my slice of pie. My son's godfather is gay. However, I don't understand why gays need a marriage instead of a civil union. Practically the same thing to the state. Marriage is strictly between man and a woman. Anyone reading this can hate me all they want, but this is still my opinion. On the flip side... some people just can't help loving someone who is the same gender. So, my opinion is obviously flawed. :(
Because giving someone what you deem equal treatment, but telling them they're to be separated from the rest of society and kept a minority is not equal treatment. Separate but equal is inherently unequal (I hate repeating this so much, but it sums up the point well).
The optimal idea would be to get rid of marriage as a state institution all together and have nothing but civil unions for all couples. But, of course, people would be opposed to legitimate equality for random made up reasons as they are now.
Nobody hates anybody for an opinion. Hate contributes absolutely nothing to this world. Proponents of gay marriage/rights in general are fighting against hate; I would imagine most of them make a conscious effort not to hate others or take part in prejudice, else they be hypocrites with no credibility to push rights for same sex couples.
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I think it's fine. Why not let them get married? Who does it hurt? And why does everyone feel the need to stick their nose into the lives of others? If gays want to marry, why should someone else's morals stop them?
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I dont feel dat there is a problem wit it. It is all about who you love and u cant help dat. :angel12:
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It is against the law and it probably will never be passed to marry the same sex. That's all there is to it, it's not allowed. There are a lot of things we are not free to do in America even though we are In The Land Of The Free. A lot of it seems stupid and people argue it non-stop but things won't change until someone with the power to do so makes it change. So fighting Left and Right makes no sense.
That's not "all there is to it." Civil rights have been fought for in this country by dozens of minority groups throughout history. If they just settled back and said "well, it's illegal, that's all there is to it," where would we be as a nation? Correct, the same place we were in 1850.
i don't think it is Illegal to have a girlfriend/boyfriend of the same sex or even engage in Adult behavior ;)
But unfortunately you can be arrested for doing so in public...
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-10-utah-gay-couple_N.htm
(and please try not to buy the BS "they were trespassing" crap)
with them but as far as marriage it is just man and woman and if you read the bible that is how God intended it to be when he made Eve for Adam.
It also says eating shellfish is an abomination and to stone your disobedient children.
And someone will inevitably say "oh my, that's the Old Testament though, it doesn't apply to today." In which case, stop acting like Genesis has any credibility then.
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To each, his own. :icon_rr:
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It should not be allowed it is against God and it is not natural. I once heard someone say "If being gay were a natural thing then you would see animals doing the same thing. I have never seen two male bulls tryin to mate. UGH
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It also says eating shellfish is an abomination and to stone your disobedient children..
And someone will inevitably say "oh my, that's the Old Testament though, it doesn't apply to today." In which case, stop acting like Genesis has any credibility then.
It is illegal to stone your disobedient children. I try to go by the bible and the laws of today's world to :binkybaby:
God says being Gay is an abomination to him
Gays can be together but the Government isn't letting them get married Yet :dontknow:
And why do you try to go by the laws and societal views of today's world? Because it makes no sense to take a stance on something based on a 2000 year old book written by silly individuals stuck in a desert. So why take a stance on homosexuality from that same book?
And we could go over exactly what the Bible says on homosexuality, but that would require you actually be interested in the conversation (if you are, I will gladly elaborate, but I can't be bothered to write out three or four paragraphs only to have somebody respond with three incoherent sentences). What the Bible says on homosexuality would probably also end up supporting my view more than the view that "homosexuality is evil." There's a lot of historical and social context in the Bible that people kindly ignore to suit their needs.
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It should not be allowed it is against God and it is not natural. I once heard someone say "If being gay were a natural thing then you would see animals doing the same thing. I have never seen two male bulls tryin to mate. UGH
Your God has killed millions of people. I prefer not to try to derive morals from a moral-lacking, bipolar fool who throws tantrums when things don't go his way (which he ironically has complete control over).
Once again, everything humans do is natural. We are not outside of nature, we are a part of it...as much as any other living entity on this planet. We cannot defy the laws of the natural world (physics, chemistry, etc.), which is what it would require for something to be unnatural. Thus, humans are merely a puzzle piece of nature. Anything carried out by humans is part of nature, as it can be no other way until we can circumvent the laws of the natural world.
Homosexuality and bisexuality have been documented in nature in over 1,500 species ranging from arthropods to primates. Lions, elephants, dolphins, penguins...the list goes on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals
Do a bit of reading before making false statements based on something another prejudice, ignorant person said. Whether you've seen it or not has no bearing on whether or not it occurs.
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I don't see anything wrong with gay marriage really. I have a best friend who is female and is gay. She has a girlfriend and they are really happy together. They seem to love and care about each other more than most male/female married couples I have ever met. Although, I myself am an athiest, the religious beliefs on gay marriage don't effect me at all.
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gays are people just like every 1 else and under the US CONS they are free to wat ever they want
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It should not be allowed it is against God and it is not natural. I once heard someone say "If being gay were a natural thing then you would see animals doing the same thing. I have never seen two male bulls tryin to mate. UGH
Since when did animal behavior become your moral compass? And also I volunteer at a place that takes care of hooved animals and HAVE SEEN 2 MALE HORSES GO AT IT. Therefore we can all conclude your statement is illogical and ignorant. NEXT CASE, PLEASE.
God says being Gay is an abomination to him
He says the same thing about people that get divorced, touch the skin of a pig, and work on the sabbath too. BUT HEY THOSE ARE ALL OKAY NOW CUZ THOSE WERE TEH OLD DAYZ!!1!!1!
There is a lot of naivety in this thread and I highly suggest all you people with stupid assumptions *cough*religion*cough* actually do some damned research before saying something that has been logically flawed for some time.
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Ohohoh! i don't believe in God. Frankly, I believe any higher being is just a crutch in life and, frankly, stupidity. Did I also mention I'm gay?
Guess i'm going to hell, along with a few thousand dogs I've seen...
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Love is love as far as I am concern and if two people that are in love choose to get married, that is wonderful.
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For anyone that can understand my previous posts maybe you should read them because I was not trying to find reasons to back up why it is a bad thing to do but just stating the facts.
But you're not stating facts for the most part. The only fact you stated is that it's currently illegal, which I think we're well aware of. Everything else was an opinion or your personal beliefs.
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If I may offer my take:
I don't think the mere fact that something is sinful makes it unlawful (at least not in our legal system).
I also don't think that people (gay or straight) have an automatic birthright to have legally recognized marital unions.
In fact, I don't think the government has any business deciding which benefits any cohabiting couple can give or withhold from each other.
The typical argument is "Gays should be allowed the same rights as straights," by which most usually mean "we want government cheese, too."
I deny that straight couples should be allowed even those rights to begin with, at least not insofar as those rights are state-sponsored / -determined.
I think all people everywhere should be allowed to enter into voluntary contracts for whatever benefits they agree upon mutually, and the state stay out of it.
This would mean that all couples, straight or gay, married or strangers, would be allowed to declare beneficiaries, power of attorney, tax co-sharing, etc however they please.
It would also mean that all couples would be able to mutually agree not to exercise any of these rights, and could opt out of any state-recognized unions.
I hate that my marriage has to be "validated" by the state. I'm not sure why they have any business telling me whether I am or am not married.
I don't understand why gays or straights want to grant the government any more power to control how or with whom we live.
I don't think the government has any right telling people who to give legal or financial benefits to on the basis of a romantic covenant.
"By the power vested in me by the state of *********" should not be a phrase that exists in our vocabulary. It's sheer insanity.
Some say "Keep the government out of marriage, and allow whoever to get a civil union..."
But I say "Keep the government out. Period."
The government subsidizes things because it thinks they are good for the country at large (or, at least, good for a part of the country).
The subsidy on marriage (added benefits, lower taxes, etc, etc, etc ad nauseum) is, in my view, because marriage is good for society.
The government doesn't get involved in marriage because it cares what's good for those two particular people. It does so for the public good.
The public good that is perceived is stable homes, financially secure child-raising, and time-tested benefits like lower aggression / violence.
The question of gay rights is backwards. Governments are aggregates. They don't (and can't) care about individuals, regardless of what anyone says.
The real issue is whether gay "marriage" is good for society in the same way or a different way than traditional marriage. If the same, then equal rights.
If gay marriage (because of procreation, higher separation rates, more violence, whatever) is good for society in a different way ("civil rights"), then different rights should exist.
I'm not sure that much has been proven conclusively on either side, but studies do exist. Is my marriage good for society? Is a gay person's relationship? I don't know, politically.
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religion is the sole reason the law cant be passed
The American right's stigma is the reason.
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with them but as far as marriage it is just man and woman and if you read the bible that is how God intended it to be when he made Eve for Adam.
It also says eating shellfish is an abomination and to stone your disobedient children.
So what?
The Law is complex.
And someone will inevitably say "oh my, that's the Old Testament though, it doesn't apply to today." In which case, stop acting like Genesis has any credibility then.
Only if they held an ignorant view of Church history and doctrine and further, I think a theological reading as opposed to talking in terms of just grammatical-historical exegesis wouldn't be interesting to you.
And why do you try to go by the laws and societal views of today's world? Because it makes no sense to take a stance on something based on a 2000 year old book written by silly individuals stuck in a desert. So why take a stance on homosexuality from that same book?
Why would you care about how he/she lives according to a book that seems silly to you?
And we could go over exactly what the Bible says on homosexuality, but that would require you actually be interested in the conversation (if you are, I will gladly elaborate, but I can't be bothered to write out three or four paragraphs only to have somebody respond with three incoherent sentences). What the Bible says on homosexuality would probably also end up supporting my view more than the view that "homosexuality is evil." There's a lot of historical and social context in the Bible that people kindly ignore to suit their needs.
I'm more interested in what you think the bible means.
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God says being Gay is an abomination to him
He says the same thing about people that get divorced...BUT HEY THOSE ARE ALL OKAY NOW CUZ THOSE WERE TEH OLD DAYZ!!1!!1!
Citation please.
God says being Gay is an abomination to him
He says the same thing about...touch the skin of a pig, and work on the sabbath too. BUT HEY THOSE ARE ALL OKAY NOW CUZ THOSE WERE TEH OLD DAYZ!!1!!1!
So what?
There is a lot of naivety in this thread and I highly suggest all you people with stupid assumptions *cough*religion*cough* actually do some damned research before saying something that has been logically flawed for some time.
Why should they listen to a suggestion from someone who doesn't care what they believe?
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I'm for gays and lesbians having the right to marry, I think it is positively ridiculous that they can't in most parts of the US. Whether it is against your religion or not, this is supposed to be a free country, with freedom of religion. We all aren't Christians. Buddhists celebrate gay marriages, so not allowing them to be married is infringing their freedom of religion. It is extremely obvious that they should be able to be married.
Gays don't hurt anyone just being gay. Give one example where they have.
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I support gay marriage 100%! If they want to be miserable like the rest of us why not ;D. LOL just kidding. Seriously I support it because I think everyone should have equal rights. This is America we are the free country. So why limit gays from being able to get married. I think if you find the one you are supposed to be with why does it matter if they are the same sex as you? If you are happy and in love it shouldn't matter who it is. I support it!
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I agree with gay marriage as well. It is unfair to keep gays from marrying if it is truly what they want. I'm gay myself so yes I agree with it, but I would only agree to equal rights. A few years back there was a bill saying that gay partners could have a certain right, but straight couples who were not married & only living together would not have the same rights. I voted against it only because it's not equal. It took years for women to get the same rights as men, for segregation to come to an end, and it will take years for it to happen with us as well. I'd like to think it will be soon, but I doubt it. So many people think that it's a disease or that we will go to hell. I think that if God forgives everyone then He will forgive us. He hates the sin, not the sinner. And I think that He knows its hard to find true happiness and that even if we found it in the same gender, He would be happy that were not living our lives alone.
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Citation please.
I actually researched this a long time ago (read a big chunk of the old testmament) and remember it being a mixture of several passages, but it does not blantantly say "divorce = death" like how most of the laws are written in Numbers. This had more to do with adultery than divorce (my bad) but if the man was caught, he should be divorced from his wife and then put to death. Looking it up online I found these-- Deuteronomy 22:22, Leviticus 20:10, Proverbs 6:32
So what?
Why should they listen to a suggestion from someone who doesn't care what they believe?
Because if a belief is withholding progress on a certain people, it causes major problems. Especially when those beliefs are old and outdated and most people disregard the whole lot of them and just use the convenient ones causing prejudices among good people.
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I'm sorry but the whole gay thing is becoming like a fad and seems like almost everyone is. I think it is weird and don't understand it. I like the Men
Yeah, people often wake up and decide to join one of the most despised, hated groups in, not only the US, but the whole world. It might seem like there are more now than 5-10 years ago, because much of society has finally made it clear that it's wrong to be hateful toward homosexuals. Of course more people are going to come out of the closet and stop hiding who they truly are if it's no longer as much of a social suicide...
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i think that everyone is free to make their own choices in life and we should all accept whatever the other person wants as long as it is legal.
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i think that everyone is free to make their own choices in life and we should all accept whatever the other person wants as long as it is legal.
Then you're opposed to gay marriage?
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I'm not for or against it. While I find the thought of two men having sexual intercourse, etc., slightly disturbing, I feel like it's their choice. As long as I don't have to be witness to any of it, I'm fine with it. Just like I don't put my business as a straight man out there for everyone to witness. You know? I keep the sexuality behind closed doors, and as long as they keep it that way, too, I have no problem with it.
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I'm not for or against it. While I find the thought of two men having sexual intercourse, etc., slightly disturbing, I feel like it's their choice. As long as I don't have to be witness to any of it, I'm fine with it. Just like I don't put my business as a straight man out there for everyone to witness. You know? I keep the sexuality behind closed doors, and as long as they keep it that way, too, I have no problem with it.
Can they show affection for each other in public (mind you, the amount of affection that is acceptable for heterosexual couples to show in public)?
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I'm not for or against it. While I find the thought of two men having sexual intercourse, etc., slightly disturbing, I feel like it's their choice. As long as I don't have to be witness to any of it, I'm fine with it. Just like I don't put my business as a straight man out there for everyone to witness. You know? I keep the sexuality behind closed doors, and as long as they keep it that way, too, I have no problem with it.
Can they show affection for each other in public (mind you, the amount of affection that is acceptable for heterosexual couples to show in public)?
Yeah, but everything else has to stay private.
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Yeah, but everything else has to stay private.
I'm sure some people may badmouth you saying there's a double standard going on with what you think (heteros brag about their sexuality all the time), but I think I know where you're coming from. I think maybe there's a certain naivety in people that havent seen men/women kiss their own sex before so it's very awkward for them to take in. I believe it's perfectly normal for heteros to see it that way-- for instance an extreme example would be if a group of people are flaunting their sex lives, and then one couple suddenly brings up how they're sadomasochist-masters that are all into these rare fetishes..I'm sure most would be all "wtf?" even though no harm is being done to that couple. It's just because most havent been exposed enough to new/rare things like that.
Maybe through time the naivety will settle? Who knows.
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Yeah, but everything else has to stay private.
I'm sure some people may badmouth you saying there's a double standard going on with what you think (heteros brag about their sexuality all the time), but I think I know where you're coming from. I think maybe there's a certain naivety in people that havent seen men/women kiss their own sex before so it's very awkward for them to take in. I believe it's perfectly normal for heteros to see it that way-- for instance an extreme example would be if a group of people are flaunting their sex lives, and then one couple suddenly brings up how they're sadomasochist-masters that are all into these rare fetishes..I'm sure most would be all "wtf?" even though no harm is being done to that couple. It's just because most havent been exposed enough to new/rare things like that.
Maybe through time the naivety will settle? Who knows.
I'm not talking about them kissing and holding hands and such in public. I'm fine with that. I'm talking about the other, more "naughty" things.
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Oh I know I was referring to everything!
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As long as they don't bother me,, gay people can do whatever they want!!!!
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This is another topic that has been rehashed entirely too much. I am a heterosexual, but have no problem with gay people. In fact one of my best friends is a gay man. He is the BEST shopper in the world. I think that the world should stop making such a big deal out of gay/lesbain relationships. This is nearling the end of 2009. Times have changed. If they want to get married legally, let them. Why should their sexual preference hinder them from the liberties that heterosexuals have? If they wish to be married, pay higer taxes, and deal with the nagging let them. I really do not think it is our business to tell them otherwise.
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Yeah this topic has been beaten to death. I'll keep my eyes out for a "Pro or Anti Abortion?" thread.
Long story short, let people do whatever the hell they want, as long as it doesn't infringe on anyone elses rights.
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Citation please.
I actually researched this a long time ago (read a big chunk of the old testmament) and remember it being a mixture of several passages, but it does not blantantly say "divorce = death" like how most of the laws are written in Numbers. This had more to do with adultery than divorce (my bad) but if the man was caught, he should be divorced from his wife and then put to death. Looking it up online I found these-- Deuteronomy 22:22, Leviticus 20:10, Proverbs 6:32
None of these verses support your claim that God condones divorce because it is ok.
And Proverbs is really a strawman. The book you've quoted is poetry. Poetry is just that. Poetry. It is not meant as a historic, narrative account.
So what?
Why should they listen to a suggestion from someone who doesn't care what they believe?
Because if a belief is withholding progress on a certain people, it causes major problems. Especially when those beliefs are old and outdated and most people disregard the whole lot of them and just use the convenient ones causing prejudices among good people.
The Bible's mention of homosexuality has nothing to do with the oppression or repression of gays, or the fact that the context of the Christian Church's relationship with homosexuality is different than relationships with liars, adulterers, greedy persons, or thieves because the Bible talks about these people in the same breath it talks about homosexuality; therefore we should look at the person who doesn't tithe in the exact same way as we look at gays. A "little fib" should be treated no differently from a gay kiss. Why is a lesbian eyed with condemnation but the drunk who beats his wife and children gets to take his place as a Sunday school teacher? Why is there support for a ban on gay marriage but divorce is lawful? Why is there moral outrage at a rainbow on somebody's car but nobody cares that less than 10% of Christians tithe? The answer is that Christian morality is just self-righteous moralism, that our indignation is actually self-serving because we're trying to make ourselves feel better. We don't believe in grace and hope and peace because we don't really believe in Jesus, and that's why our judgment on the other is always smug and never righteous. I think Yglesias explains a lot about the appeal of anti-gay crusades to social conservative leaders. Most of what “traditional values” asks of people is pretty hard. All the infidelity and divorce and premarital sex and bad parenting and whatnot take place because people actually want to do the things traditional values is telling them not to do. And the same goes for most of the rest of the Christian recipe. Acting in a charitable and forgiving manner all the time is hard. Loving your enemies is hard. Turning the other cheek is hard. Homosexuality is totally different. For a small minority of the population, of course, the injunction “don’t have sex with other men!” (or, as the case may be, other women) is painfully difficult to live up to. But for the vast majority of people this is really, really easy to do. Campaigns against gay rights, gay people, and gay sex thus have a lot of the structural elements of other forms of crusading against sexual excess or immorality, but they’re not really asking most people to do anything other than become self-righteous about their pre-existing preferences.
Homosexual discrimination is an issue in the American/Western culture war, not an issue that the Bible is interested in, although the WBC seems to believe otherwise. The fact that you don't see constitutional amendments popping up about Christians who divorce, don't tithe or televangelists demonstrates that the American right's stigma against homosexuals is not based in Paul's admonitions. They revile the other as a "*bleep*" and are just trying to maintain hold on their turf. That make him the scapegoat for their perpetuation of and participation in evil, for their lack of control and failure of virtue. That has nothing to do with what Paul (or the Levitical holiness code) was getting at.
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Ohohoh! i don't believe in God. Frankly, I believe any higher being is just a crutch in life and, frankly, stupidity. Did I also mention I'm gay?
Guess i'm going to hell, along with a few thousand dogs I've seen...
just curious, but if you don't believe in god, then how are you going to hell? Isn't that kinda tied in with the whole god thing? I peosonally am on the fence on the whole gay marriage thing. I couldn't marry another woman, but if two people love each other than they should just get married and have all the benefits that straight people do.
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Ohohoh! i don't believe in God. Frankly, I believe any higher being is just a crutch in life and, frankly, stupidity. Did I also mention I'm gay?
Guess i'm going to hell, along with a few thousand dogs I've seen...
just curious, but if you don't believe in god, then how are you going to hell? Isn't that kinda tied in with the whole god thing?
I imagine it was satire.
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I agree with Stealth3si and was very glad to see his first post on this subject.
"Gay marriage" is another false dilemma offerred by politicians and pollsters.
No one should be allowed to get married.
There, I said it. Marriage should be a spiritual and/or personal bond created outside of the legal sector. If you can find a church/temple/voodoo priestess who will marry you to your girlfriend/boyfriend/cow, you go for it. The government should not be involved!
The protests to this typically come from married people who enjoy the "perks" offered to married couples. However, this is simply a way for the government to incentivize the morals it believes in.
This is when people start saying "But those morals are "GOOD"! Children raised in two-parent, heterosexual families "turn out better"!" I will not argue this. The truth of such statements in irrelevant. Just because the government promotes "good" morals doesn't mean they get a free pass! IT IS NOT THE JOB OF THE GOVERNMENT TO DICTATE OUR MORALS.
The next thing you hear is "But this country was founded on Christian values!" Yes, it was. It was founded by Christian men with Christian values that were typical of their day. They genuinely hoped their descendents would continue on the same path. BUT THEY DID NOT INTEND TO IMPRESS THESE MORALS UPON US WITH LEGISLATION. I'm sure they sincerely hoped that the United States would continue to be a Christian nation. But if they had intended for that to happen via the government, they would have written it into the Constitution.
"But what about "X" legal issue?"
What about it? If you want your spouse to be the benefactor of your life insurance, write their name on the line. If you want them to have the ability to determine your healthcare protocol should you be unable, give them your power of attorney. If you want them to have custody of your children should you perish, make arrangements with your lawyer. All of the avenues for legally securing rights typically thought to belong to a spouse aare already available within our existing legal framework. And if they're not, let's work on that, instead of making marriage legal for everyone.
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Marriage is not just a personal contract it is a SERIOUS commitment under God and this is the way it should be treated. Homosexual marriage is an abomination and no one has the right to marry but God who joins two together and a man of God a pastor who has the right under God to marry people a true MAN of God pastor. Homosexuality is an ABOMINATION and a PERVERSION and should not be tolerated, accepted, or recognized. God made the institution of marriage and God has the right to sustain a marriage. A marriage that is built upon God's word will never fail but contracts between men and man founded relationships are bound for failure. Man made economy or anything that is founded upon man will FAIL! God and his word will stand for ever as is promised in his word! The people are as grass and the surely the grass withereth the grass withereth and the flower fadeth but the word of God shall stand forever Isaiah 40:8. God and his word shall stand for ever and he instituted one man and one women becoming one flesh forever. When you are intimate you are bonding your body with others and this is something sacred which is meant only for one man and one women commited together in love forever and anything else is perversion. Bestiality is an abomination!
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I don't think its really anyones right to tell people that they can not get married just because they have a different sexual preference than most people! We are not living in the 1930's anymore people. I thought this was a free country! People have rights no matter who they are. Telling them they cannot get married is wrong!
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Natalie, I agree with you on this. This is not anyone'r rights or opinion...we need to learn how to respect others to earn the respect you desire. If the same gender marriage is occuring in your neighborhood or social circle, say nice things or say nothing at all. I think it is important to be this way because we are not here to judge. Once we feel that we have the right to judge, we don't use this "power" the right way. Besides, we open up doors for others to judge us with this kind of mentality.
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I believe everyone has a right to be happy. I have friends and family who are gay and I support them 100%. I absolutely support gay marriage!
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everyone should be able to get married, I dont think anyone should be able to tell anyone if they can or can not get married unless they are to young.
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I believe that everyone has their own way of life.... its not to me to judge anyone in this world...
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I myself being gay and transgendered, cant wait till the day its legalized in my state. :peace:
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I'm okay with it. People keep bringing up the fact that marriage is supposed to be between a man and a woman like it says in the bible. The bible also says that a woman should be a virgin when she's married, hence the white dress. I don't many people following that.
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I totally support gay marriage. My daddy is gay, and I want him to be happy in everyway possible. I would support him getting married in a second.
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I am 100% against it. I think it is a sign we are in the end times.
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I am 100% against it. I think it is a sign we are in the end times.
Do you just like to stir the pot? In a similar discussion on D&D, you were touting gay rights.
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I am 100% against it. I think it is a sign we are in the end times.
Do you just like to stir the pot? In a similar discussion on D&D, you were touting gay rights.
I'm sorry, I thought they wanted my opinion, which I gave! Is it stirring the pot? Oh well, don't ask for opinions, if you don't want any but your own.
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Marriage is not just a personal contract it is a SERIOUS commitment under God and this is the way it should be treated. Homosexual marriage is an abomination and no one has the right to marry but God who joins two together and a man of God a pastor who has the right under God to marry people a true MAN of God pastor. Homosexuality is an ABOMINATION and a PERVERSION and should not be tolerated, accepted, or recognized. God made the institution of marriage and God has the right to sustain a marriage. A marriage that is built upon God's word will never fail but contracts between men and man founded relationships are bound for failure. Man made economy or anything that is founded upon man will FAIL! God and his word will stand for ever as is promised in his word! The people are as grass and the surely the grass withereth the grass withereth and the flower fadeth but the word of God shall stand forever Isaiah 40:8. God and his word shall stand for ever and he instituted one man and one women becoming one flesh forever. When you are intimate you are bonding your body with others and this is something sacred which is meant only for one man and one women commited together in love forever and anything else is perversion. Bestiality is an abomination!
My husband and I were married by a Rabbi, not a pastor. We were joined by g-d. Is my marriage not a valid one? What about a Christian couple that gets married by a justice of the peace?
And your last line about *bleep*? That makes you not qualified to discuss gay marriage, IMO. It is a weak weak argument, because we're talking about consenting human beings, people, part of the same species. I suppose next you'll be jumping down interracial marriage as equivalent to Men boning Cows. :angry7:
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I am 100% against it. I think it is a sign we are in the end times.
Do you just like to stir the pot? In a similar discussion on D&D, you were touting gay rights.
I'm sorry, I thought they wanted my opinion, which I gave! Is it stirring the pot? Oh well, don't ask for opinions, if you don't want any but your own.
That is weak, Marie. You're better than that. I don't take issue with opinions that differ with my own. I can't help but wonder, though, when your opinion changes with a drop of a dime.
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I am 100% against it. I think it is a sign we are in the end times.
Do you just like to stir the pot? In a similar discussion on D&D, you were touting gay rights.
I'm sorry, I thought they wanted my opinion, which I gave! Is it stirring the pot? Oh well, don't ask for opinions, if you don't want any but your own.
That is weak, Marie. You're better than that. I don't take issue with opinions that differ with my own. I can't help but wonder, though, when your opinion changes with a drop of a dime.
What was I defending in a previous post? That being gay isn't a choice, that still don't give them the right to marry. I am against it because I would never do it. If it is legal one day, i don't care, it aint me, I won't lose sleep over it.
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Why not let them marry? Who has the right to dictate when other people do? We dont live in a dictatorship we live in the land of the fee, if you take that away you mid as well take away American and what we stand for.
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I support gay marriage. They have a right to be miserable like the rest of us straight married people.
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I don't care... if that's what a gay couple wants to do let them do it.
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If they love each other, then they should be able to be married, and to adopt if they so choose.
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I just got to ask all the ones against it...How would you feel if someone told you that you couldnt marry the one you loved? Wouldnt that be hurtful in many ways...why is it either disgusting or wrong? We all like the same thing just in different ways. So why should it matter what gender is with what gender?
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There is no real reason why they shouldn't be able to marry each other.
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Personally, I do not support it. But I feel it is up to each individual.
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I'm just wondering what everyones opinions on this topic are. Personally, I support it more than anything, I'd like to see what other people think though.
My opinions on this topic are based on religious beliefs, which many on here do not see as a valid argument. However, my religion is the foundation for many decisions, opinions, actions, etc., that I have made throughout my life. So, it only follows that topics like this would be affected by that as well.
Needless to say I am against gay marriage because the bible states: ‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.' Leviticus 18:22. and 'Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders.' 1 Corinthians 6:9. Obviously, this opens the door for many actions to be considered immoral and against God's way, in addition to homosexuality. I am not trying to say I do not sin, but denying gay marriage is a way to try and curb this particular sin so as to help others live in the way He wants pertaining to this particular topic.
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I personally don't want to interfere in any of the personal lifes. If someone likes it let them have it. It is just personal life. We don't have to deal with it.
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I am totally not in favor with gay marriage.
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I used to be against it. Now because of reasons such as medical insurance and other things that spouses are in titled to i am for it.
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I am totally not in favor with gay marriage.
But why??
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I personally know that everyone has to find their own road to hell, so if that's what you want enjoy!
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Love doesnt doesnt no gender... just cause we are the wa we are doesnt mean we are going to hell thanks
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I'm just wondering what everyones opinions on this topic are. Personally, I support it more than anything, I'd like to see what other people think though.
My opinions on this topic are based on religious beliefs, which many on here do not see as a valid argument. However, my religion is the foundation for many decisions, opinions, actions, etc., that I have made throughout my life. So, it only follows that topics like this would be affected by that as well.
Needless to say I am against gay marriage because the bible states: ‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.' Leviticus 18:22. and 'Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders.' 1 Corinthians 6:9. Obviously, this opens the door for many actions to be considered immoral and against God's way, in addition to homosexuality. I am not trying to say I do not sin, but denying gay marriage is a way to try and curb this particular sin so as to help others live in the way He wants pertaining to this particular topic.
I totally agree with this. So many say that God makes them this way. I think if the read their Bible, they will find the real answer.
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gay rights....absolutely in favor of....marriage is a little bit trickier