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Discussion Boards => Off-Topic => Debate & Discuss => Topic started by: linderlizzie on November 14, 2015, 08:52:31 am
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I wasn't sure whether or not to broach this subject or not, but I just read a book that was rather enlightening about illegal immigration. Ann Coulter says, in her book, that illegal activity is another topic that the media will not reveal to the American public, keeping us in the dark about how it is affecting our country. According to her sources, assimilating their culture will bring our country to the level of a Third World Country in a few years.
She also states that Republicans are starting to believe the Democratic rhetoric about the importance of the Hispanic vote. Unfortunately, most of the Republican candidates are now pandering for it, because they're called racist if they don't. Ms. Coulter states that Reagan was called a racist because of his stance on immigration, but he got the white vote because of it. Most of the American people are against open borders. That's something for the candidates to seriously consider.
I don't want to start a war here because I know we all have different opinions about this subject, but I'd love to know other people's opinions about it. Don't HATE me! Just talk to me. I do believe in legal immigration, but amnesty for illegals is one of the greatest threats we face as a nation. Did you note how President Hollande of France closed his borders after all the terrorist attacks?
I don't know how soon it will continue over here in the United States, but I do know that God is in control, and he does not want us to be afraid. :angel11:
Sorry for the long post. I can't stand people who do that! :angry7:
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Immigration laws exist to protect the legal citizens of the US. We really shouldn't even need to have a discussion on this, but for some reason it seems we are scared to "offend" someone by actually enforcing our laws. If you want to come to this country, great, but there is a way to do it legally.
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I think we should close the border, sorry! We have enough people living here in the US and most of the ones coming in don't even care to become Americans. I'm with Trump on this issue, 11 million illegals is crazy, send them back to where they came from! It's time to stop worrying about offending these in truth unoffended law breakers and consider the well being of native Americans.
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I think it is mean to make the ones, already here, go back. I don't know.......but I feel they want to come here because they think it will be a better way of life. I hope they can. I realize we have have to have certain guidelines to go by. I just don't know enough to say what I would do yet
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Reagan was called a racist because he WAS a racist.
Why is amnesty for immigrants the "greatest threat?" How does it threaten us?
I'm sort of cynical when politicians and pundits start talking about illegals and closing our borders.
I worked as a convenience store manager in Florida. The last store I worked at was surrounded by strawberry fields.
During the picking season, we had lots of Mexican customers, at least some who were here illegally.
The thing I noticed, over several years of observation, was that immigration officials never showed up until the END of the picking season.
I've no doubt that the same thing is going on today.
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Amnesty just tells everyone that you aren't going to enforce your own laws. Just an added incentive for more illegal immigrants to come to this country. It's a poor precedent to set.
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Reagan wasn't a racist. That's absurd.
We certainly need better background checks on the people coming in. Seems like radical terrorists are everywhere these days. :(
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Reagan wasn't a racist. That's absurd.
We certainly need better background checks on the people coming in. Seems like radical terrorists are everywhere these days. :(
JediJohnnie, my quote from the book said that many people called Reagan a racist because of his stance on immigration. She did not call him that and neither would I.
He wanted to protect our borders and some people did not like that. Just like today. But people will always put labels on others if they don't like their opinions or policies. :(
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It wasn't his stance on immigration that got him called racist.
It was his pandering to the white supremacists, his Southern Strategy, that earned him the label.
http://reaganandracism.blogspot.com/
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I'm just fine with immigration as long as it's legal. We need more security at the border and better background checks. Right now, there's too many illegal immigrants coming over with drugs, guns, and who are terrorists and that's not okay.
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An immigrant is not a citizen. There is a process to becoming a citizen and if an immigrant is causing trouble and hasn't bothered to become a citizen then they should be deported. Especially considering how expensive resorts...err prisons, are now.
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We i say send them all back USA have enough issues believe me i know i just lost two sons to this madness.
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Amnesty just tells everyone that you aren't going to enforce your own laws. Just an added incentive for more illegal immigrants to come to this country. It's a poor precedent to set.
We don't enforce our laws, even without amnesty.
Do you think the immigration officials didn't know there were illegals working in the strawberry fields?
Of course they knew.
They chose not to enforce the law until the owners of those fields had their work done, or mostly done.
So maybe instead of going after the low man on the totem pole, the worker, there should be a stronger penalty on the people who hire them.
They come because they can find work.
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Did You know that Abe Lincoln wanted to send the slaves back to where they came from?
if the current prez can make $$ off the wetback, he is slow to send them back. After all, prez let all these people in so they could vote for him..in Florida, they are in all the Citrus areas, driving down the pick fruit wages, because it is so easy to get an illegal crew of wetbacks to come in and there are 2 rates, under and over the table here,..of course under the table for the wetback brings in more money..that is why lots of illegals drive fancy trucks and have rolls of bills. .check it out in any citrus town in polk county, fl.
I used to live next door to the underground rail way of illegals coming up from Mexico.. Don't live there anymore.
Local law enforcement just looked the other way.. ::)
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Did You know that Abe Lincoln wanted to send the slaves back to where they came from?
if the current prez can make $$ off the wetback, he is slow to send them back. After all, prez let all these people in so they could vote for him..in Florida, they are in all the Citrus areas, driving down the pick fruit wages, because it is so easy to get an illegal crew of wetbacks to come in and there are 2 rates, under and over the table here,..of course under the table for the wetback brings in more money..that is why lots of illegals drive fancy trucks and have rolls of bills. .check it out in any citrus town in polk county, fl.
I used to live next door to the underground rail way of illegals coming up from Mexico.. Don't live there anymore.
Local law enforcement just looked the other way.. ::)
Immigrants can't vote.
And the guys riding the shiny new trucks are the crew bosses, usually. Which means the workers aren't getting as much as they should.
The growers treated migrant workers the same way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJTVF_dya7E
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I believe in legal immigration but then they should not be allowed to bring all of their relatives too. The over-staying on Visas needs to be stopped and all illegal immigration must be stopped or we will lose our country. I have no problem with necessary migrant workers with temporary work permits as the farmers and ranchers need them. Common labor seems to be against the rules for Americans as they won't do it.
As for immigrants not being able to vote, they can with ID's which are easy to obtain and in Ohio the poll workers cannot ask for proof of citizenship anymore so anyone can vote with no problem at all.
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I believe in legal immigration but then they should not be allowed to bring all of their relatives too. The over-staying on Visas needs to be stopped and all illegal immigration must be stopped or we will lose our country. I have no problem with necessary migrant workers with temporary work permits as the farmers and ranchers need them. Common labor seems to be against the rules for Americans as they won't do it.
As for immigrants not being able to vote, they can with ID's which are easy to obtain and in Ohio the poll workers cannot ask for proof of citizenship anymore so anyone can vote with no problem at all.
In Ohio, they have voting machines that count backwards.
They don't need immigrants to vote.
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Every one except for the native Americans were in the same boat
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I think is better first once . stop criticize people that are immigrant . cause all off you that saying oh , they need to be send back. please of a lot you havre this immigrant doing your yard a lot this immigrant doing a lots job that a american person white , black , canadian etc might not want or either getting pay much .
a lots people in this world and the one that make comment here problably got maid cleaning there home or babysitting there children.
im going to give you guys a great sample . im immigrant mother of three boys .... I m in this country when i was younger and trust me i learn the language nad i did some school here in american . when i was 26 years old i meet my three boys father in wish is black american . and to make long store short yes, he has help me with some of my paper work .
race shouldnt be matter here about why immigrant should live here in american . that's let point something out . yall complaint about or republic complaint about immigrant . why yall dont complaint about muslims come in here and booming us . why yall dont complaint about pakistans people come in act like they come studied here and they live in right here in american . and what they shooting and they killing innoent people and children . yes why yall dont complaint when i white person goes to school shooting and killing innocent people .
number the border need tie security two stop let this damn muslims and pakistan , russian etc . wish a lots of them are married to american woman . and a lot of them journalist or they going visting this country and make live there. and i lots of your white woman bring them here .
im not race . but im addressing this topic . :-\
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Unless you are Native American,then we were all immigrants at one time
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Hopefully the next president Trump will take care of this issue once and forall...
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I believe if they are not from here go back home
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I disagree that WE were all immigrants at one time. I didn't arrive in the U.S by plane, train, car or anything else, I was born here! and unlike our dear president, I have a real birth certificate that proves it not some phony bologna one. My ancestors who came from Europe over 100 years ago were immigrants but that has nothing to do with my citizen status. As for today's immigrants (the ones who ARE coming by boat etc.) I think we have enough people in this country and need to focus on taking care of those who are here legally. I mean, we have homeless veterans, people on well fare, this country is losing it's identity, enough is enough! Lets get America back on track and reassess immigration at a future time.
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I love how the argument has changed from ILLEGAL immigration to immigration in general. We are a country built on laws that ALL must follow, not the dictates of some leader / president that does as (s)he pleases. I agree that either us or our families were probably all immigrants at one time, but they did so legally. If your first act in a nation of laws is to break the law, that just shows that you do not respect that country or what it stands for. I respect the politicians that see a need to allow more legal immigrants into the country, but I completely disagree with those that pander to the illegal immigrants by turning a blind eye to their wrongdoing.
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Just wondered if any of you have heard about the mass rapes in Sweden and Holland which are being perpetrated by Muslim immigrants there. The details are much more grisly. You'd think our country might take note of that. :BangHead:
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I think if you let a man fight your wars for you, live here for 50 years, you ought not deport him.
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/72-year-old-honorably-discharged-veteran-deported-after-50-years-in-america/
Yes, we are a nation of laws. But those laws are not justice, nor are they fairly applied.
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Lets just build the wall 10 feet higher...as the Donald said....
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This country was founded on elitism and white supremacy.
Our immigration laws reflect that.
http://immigration.procon.org/view.timeline.php?timelineID=000023
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Abolish the borders, tear down the walls.
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Unless you are Native American,then we were all immigrants at one time
I love how the argument has changed from ILLEGAL immigration to immigration in general. We are a country built on laws that ALL must follow, not the dictates of some leader / president that does as (s)he pleases. I agree that either us or our families were probably all immigrants at one time, but they did so legally. If your first act in a nation of laws is to break the law, that just shows that you do not respect that country or what it stands for. I respect the politicians that see a need to allow more legal immigrants into the country, but I completely disagree with those that pander to the illegal immigrants by turning a blind eye to their wrongdoing.
Even Native Americans were immigrants. They came here from Russia/Asia over the bridge of land that connects to Alaska, now underwater.
I am totally against ILLEGAL immigration and I agree with the second quote wholeheartedly. There is no other country on this planet that caters to ILLEGAL immigration (barring the refugee influx in the Middle East right now).
All other countries have STRICT immigration policies that are well documented to be a lot stricter than ours. We send ILLEGALS back over the border (depending on the mood of the president/DHS/DOJ at the moment) and allow the ones who are caught and then let go to follow up with a hearing never to be seen again.
Remember the kids that were arrested and imprisoned in Iran for mistakenly crossing the border by a mile? North Korea is always arresting people and throwing them in jail for crossing their border illegally. Then we have Mexico. Remember the CA ex-serviceman who was put in jail for crossing the border illegally because he got lost?
It scares me that terrorists can cross into our country through Mexico due to lax enforcement of our laws. We need borders and we need the enforcement of our laws.
The Republicans and Reagan made a deal with the Democrats to pass a law for amnesty for the 3 million that were here back in the day which included strengthening our border with a wall but the Democrats reneged on that deal and never built the wall. So what you have today is because of that failure.
Smudgyglasses - Try going to a country that doesn't have borders. Why should we be the only country without a border?
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Even Native Americans were immigrants. They came here from Russia/Asia over the bridge of land that connects to Alaska, now underwater.
Isn't that just a theory? Although even if it was 100% true, that was thousands of years ago...kind of odd to call the people who were both here first and for thousands of years "immigrants" in a way comparable to the Europeans who colonized them.
Smudgyglasses - Try going to a country that doesn't have borders. Why should we be the only country without a border?
I don't think any countries should have borders. They are imaginary lines humans place on a map that decide the course of human lives, I think this is an awful practice.
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There wouldn't be any countries if there weren't borders. There's a "border" between my yard and my neighbors. Abolish borders? Should I be able to throw my trash in his yard? Complete nonsense.
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There wouldn't be any countries if there weren't borders. There's a "border" between my yard and my neighbors. Abolish borders? Should I be able to throw my trash in his yard? Complete nonsense.
Isn't that what we've been doing all along?
CIA running drugs and guns through their country. Destabilizing their economies.
The School of the Americas? Where we train people to be terrorists, to overthrow their governments.
Maybe instead of worrying about people coming in, we should keep our own "trash" at home, contained.
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There wouldn't be any countries if there weren't borders. There's a "border" between my yard and my neighbors. Abolish borders? Should I be able to throw my trash in his yard? Complete nonsense.
Of course I only meant national borders that divide countries. Not the border between your yard and your neighbors'. Further, if there were no borders, people would likely still refer to countries as their names, etc.
There's no border keeping me from leaving my town and entering it again, but I still call it what it is.
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I think we already have enough immigrants. Majority of them take away jobs from Americans. Don't pay taxes, send money over to another country, and get government assistance / help. It's hurting too many Americans financially, emotionally, and USA.
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I agree that something needs to be done about the immigration issue. I just don't think every one of them should be sent back. I don't think it's fair to send a child back for the crimes of their parents. When the child grew up here and has made a life here, just for us to send back to a country they left as an infant? I went to highschool with a kid that was brought here at 7 months old. His entire life has been here. So we just deport him? Thanks to the deferred action from Obama he is currently going to school, working two jobs andplans to enlisted in the army. But we should just deport him right? In my opion, he should be given a path to citizenship, but his parents should be deported. His parents commited the crime of bringing him here. He had no choice in the matter. They should be the ones to receive the punishment. And I know that my frind isn't the only child in this circumstances. There are millions of children who didn't get a choice in coming here and now here they are. And we has Americans want to punish them for it? My solution to the immigration problem is closing the borders until we sort out the problem within the country. Anyone already in the immigration system with criminal backgrounds are deported. Anyone we find not already in the removal process with a criminal background is deported. The we start with the children and give them a path to obtain citizenship. We don't give it to them immediately, but we give them a process in which they will obtain citizenship. No crimes, drugs offenses. Can't use government welfare throughout the entire process and X amount of years after obtaining citizenship. Must either go to college or join the military. Must secure a job for X amount of years and go on a sort of probation for X amount of years after obtaining citizenship and if they are arrested for crimes in the probation period, they're deported immediately. Make it hard enough so that only the truly dedicated make it through at the end. Adults that came here illegally without a criminal background are entered into a lottery system and only an X amount of people get to stay through a random drawing and then they to have to enter the same sort of process as the children. But to do a mass deportation of 11 million illegal immigrants is ludacris and EXSPENSIVE!! That's just 11 million that's in the system. There are still millions upon millions still hiding in the shadows.
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There wouldn't be any countries if there weren't borders. There's a "border" between my yard and my neighbors. Abolish borders? Should I be able to throw my trash in his yard? Complete nonsense.
Of course I only meant national borders that divide countries. Not the border between your yard and your neighbors'. Further, if there were no borders, people would likely still refer to countries as their names, etc.
There's no border keeping me from leaving my town and entering it again, but I still call it what it is.
Of course I was just using an analogy.
A "border" has nothing to do with the ability to enter or not. A border is just the place where one country stops and another begins. That's it.