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Discussion Boards => Off-Topic => Debate & Discuss => Topic started by: lvstephanie on June 27, 2016, 01:21:05 pm
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Wow, I'm a little shocked by this latest decision today. The case was about some laws that Texas had enacted a few years ago in an attempt to regulate abortion facilities in the state, specifically that abortion facilities be built with similar requirements as outpatient surgery providers as well as requiring that the doctor has admittance privileges to a hospital no more than 1/2 hour away. Supporters of the laws say that this is to ensure that the legal act of abortion is done in a manner that is the safest way for the woman getting the abortion. Opponents argue that these laws limit women's free-access to abortion clinics. Today the Supreme Court decided in a 5-3 vote that the laws were too burdensome "on women" in finding an abortion provider and so ruled them as unconstitutional.
Although I don't know all of the specifics of the case, I think that this is a horrid decision. On the one hand, one of the main arguments for allowing legal abortions is the fear that women in dire need of an abortion would resort to black-market facilities of questionable safety procedures in order to have an illegal abortion. Even in many of the justice's comments on the case as well as others that praise this ruling continue to drum the need to provide free-access to abortion facilities for the safety of the woman. "When a State severely limits access to safe and legal procedures, women in desperate circumstances may resort to unlicensed rogue practitioners, faute de mieux, at great risk to their health and safety," Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg wrote in a brief concurring opinion. Yet the specific regulations appear to directly support the idea of providing a safe environment in which to have that legal abortion, not just to impede access. Under the Texas laws, the abortion facility would be very similar to other health facilities that also offer outpatient services; now abortion clinics can be just a van in a back-alley -- the exact same thing that people feared would happen with making abortions illegal except that now it is blessed by the State as being legal.
I also think that this decision weakens the argument for regulations in general (which might not be a bad thing, coming from my Libertarian perspective). The decision basically said that there were no demonstrable need for the regulations which impede a woman's access to abortion. To me, that's like saying that since there haven't been any rodents found at a restaurant, that regulations for the cleanliness for the restaurant are too burdensome to the customer in finding a place to eat as is our constitutional right. The whole point for having certain regulations governing some of our rights is so that foreseeable accidents don't occur. Although we all have the right to eat whatever we want, we have the FDA to regulate foods so that the customer knows that what they purchase will be safe to consume. Likewise I see the Texas laws as just providing the customer the knowledge that the abortion will be conducted with the woman's utmost care in mind. Will SCotUS use the same argument to find anti-gun legislation unconstitutional for the same reason (esp. considering that the constitution explicitly states that such a right shall not be infringed in any way)? Unfortunately I highly doubt it. >:(
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It reminds me of the Gossner deal. Remember that case? Non-sterile equipment, live kills, infections in some women even to the point of one woman dying.
I can't believe SCOTUS would rule AGAINST women by not guaranteeing clean, sterile clinics and admitting privileges at hospitals. That's a no-brainer. I do hope the case is appealed. Evidently, the attorney for the defense didn't have the ability to point out the value of the TX law.
As for anti-gun legislation, I won't get into that. It's an argument that will never have a winning side.
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Did you ever research how abortion became illegal in the first place?
That might give you some insight on these "protect our women" laws that the states are coming out with.
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This SCOTUS decision and the arguments of Ginsberg put to lie the "safe, legal and rare" claim pro-choicers used to make about abortion back in the day. The truth is that the pro-choice crowd does not and never wanted abortion to be rare and, judging from this decision, they're not too keen on it being safe, either.
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We are NOT pro-abortion, simply pro-choice. No one is going to put a gun to your head and tell you to get an abortion or else. It is simply that each individual woman should have the choice to do what she needs to do within her own personal values, needs, and physical, mental, and socioeconomic issues. Pro-choice gives you the option to not have an abortion. Please provide the same option to others who will make the decision according to their own values, including religious.
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"We are NOT pro-abortion, simply pro-choice."
Sorry Janice. That may be true of you but it's emphatically NOT true of the "pro-choice" movement. Consider this. "Pro-choice" activists have fought laws requiring women considering abortion to be shown sonograms of their babies. They did that because they were afraid that seeing their unborn babies would cause more women to choose life. If the activists were simply pro-choice, why would they be upset at the prospect of fewer women choosing abortion? Also, feminists, Hillary included, constantly frame their "pro-choice" position in terms of fighting for "women's health"? Believing that the healthiest state for a woman is to avoid, or terminate, a pregnancy, is fundamentally pro-abortion, not "pro-choice". Back to you.
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Safe, legal and rare" was introduced into abortion language by a man, Bill Clinton.
Women, back in the day, used "My body, My choice."
And so it is.
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Safe, legal and rare" was introduced into abortion language by a man, Bill Clinton.
And? It doesn't matter who coined the term. What matters is that it was a deceptive mantra of the "pro-choice" crowd.
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Sadly decades have passed while our country allows the wholesale slaughter of the Innocent. :'(
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Sadly decades have passed while our country allows the wholesale slaughter of the Innocent. :'(
Sad indeed, JediJohnnie. :(
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Safe, legal and rare" was introduced into abortion language by a man, Bill Clinton.
And? It doesn't matter who coined the term. What matters is that it was a deceptive mantra of the "pro-choice" crowd.
It matters because it made a womans absolute right to control her own body open to interpretation.
It matters because a man used women to further his own political ambitions.
That a medical procedure should be safe is a given. Legal, also a given.
Rare? Means absolutely nothing.
What it does is make women less safe. It gives a man the idea that to murder a doctor is a righteous act.
It foments rape culture, the idea that a man has a right to any womans body that he chooses, whether she says yay or nay.
Safe, legal and rare is political rhetoric.
My body, my choice is guaranteed by the Constitution.
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"It matters because it made a woman's absolute right to control her own body open to interpretation." An absolute right to control her own body? More absolute than the right to free speech, freedom of religion, or keeping and bearing arms, all of which liberals have no qualms curtailing, even though they're actually written in the Constitution?
"It matters because a man used women to further his own political ambitions." And? Politicians use all groups to further their political ambitions. Nothing new there.
"That a medical procedure should be safe is a given. Legal, also a given.
Rare? Means absolutely nothing." It means nothing to those who deny the unborns' humanity. But to those of us who recognize that the unborn are human beings, it means a helluva lot.
"What it does is make women less safe." From what?
"It gives a man the idea that to murder a doctor is a righteous act." How?
"It foments rape culture." Oh, please!
"Safe, legal and rare is political rhetoric." True that, like most things politicians and activists say.
"My body, my choice is guaranteed by the Constitution." It's written nowhere in that document, but not finding something in the Constitution never stopped activist judges from declaring it a constitutional right (gay marriage, anyone?).
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Dwana, everything I've said is backed up by fact, easily accessible if you have an internet connection.
I suggest you do some research.
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Dwana, everything I've said is backed up by fact,
Backed up by fact? How about showing us some?
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Start here.
http://www.concentric.org/films/when_abortion_was_illegal.html
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the good old USA tells women what they can & can't do with their bodies ALL THE TIME. There are many illegal drugs that women aren't allowed to put into their body. There's prostitution laws pretty much in every state. Barring nudest colonies and the like, woman are made to cover their bodies publicly.
But in the case of murdering the unborn, suddenly, we have no right to protect a life and tell a woman what she can or can't do with her body. Gimmie a break! ::)
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“We Must Obey God as Ruler”
The apostles take a stand that sets a precedent for all true Christians
Based on Acts 5:12–6:7
Abortion is MURDER!You can argue your manmade laws till the cows come home!
I remember reading sometime back a FC member said her 2 children were the best thing that ever happened to her after her husband raped her.
The mother of the child can make parents that want to adopt very happy.You never know she might even make herself happy if she keeps the child!
It is a selfish act and thinking of only oneself as suicide is.Suicide is also murder.....unless God judges from the heart condition of the victim they were NOT in right frame of mind.Jehovah is the judge because only HE sees the heart of us all.
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Well said hitch. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Thank you JJ
The Creator gave us laws for our own good.I know we are all guilty of breaking them from time to time because of inherited sin......sometimes learning the hard way goes a long way!
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The laws against drug use apply to both sexes.
Prostitution laws criminalize women, while giving a wink and a nod to the men who use them.
Laws against public nudity apply to both sexes.
If your religious views tell you that abortion is murder, then don't have one.
But your right to practice your religion ends where mine begin.
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The USA using "in god we trust'is a joke.If that were the case the bible would set ALL laws.But we see its still an independent attitude that the devil said we all would be better off deciding for ourselves what was good and bad!
Well is the human race better for it?LOLLLLLLLLLLL!!Of course permit my sarcasm for asking that question!!
Mixing "in god we trust"and the choice of freedom of religeon is like mixing ammonia and Clorox!!!
Actually there is much truth to the USA using "in god we trust"
3 There is an unseen entity behind false religion. Referring to him, the apostle Paul said: “The god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.” (2 Corinthians 4:4) “The god of this system of things” is none other than Satan the Devil. He is the principal promoter of false worship. “Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light,” wrote Paul. “It is therefore nothing great if his ministers also keep transforming themselves into ministers of righteousness.” (2 Corinthians 11:14, 15) Satan makes bad things appear good and deceives people into believing lies.
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I am against abortion. It is murder. The only way it should be allowed if it is by rape, incest or the mothers health is at risk.
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The laws against drug use apply to both sexes.
Prostitution laws criminalize women, while giving a wink and a nod to the men who use them.
Laws against public nudity apply to both sexes.
If your religious views tell you that abortion is murder, then don't have one.
But your right to practice your religion ends where mine begin.
So you're basically saying abortion can't be a crime, because only a woman can commit it?
We're talking about a human life here. A human life should not be treated like an inconvenience. This is the 21st century. I'm sure there is more than enough birth control options open to you. Abortion on demand should not be one of them.
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The laws against drug use apply to both sexes.
Prostitution laws criminalize women, while giving a wink and a nod to the men who use them.
Laws against public nudity apply to both sexes.
If your religious views tell you that abortion is murder, then don't have one.
But your right to practice your religion ends where mine begin.
So you're basically saying abortion can't be a crime, because only a woman can commit it?
We're talking about a human life here. A human life should not be treated like an inconvenience. This is the 21st century. I'm sure there is more than enough birth control options open to you. Abortion on demand should not be one of them.
No, what I'm saying is it's not your business.
My body. My choice.
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So Paints even a suicide bomber can have that same attitude.
Almost reminds me of parable of Prodigal son.How seeing his father and brother re-united how he just wanted to be rewarded for being faithful to him.Or Jonah because the Ninevites repented and his service wasnt needed now.
Yes it is no doubt a ME world and thats why its so sad.
I understand if a woman gets pregnant from rape how she might be thinking,there is no way i can have that monsters child.NO doubt a tough decision.
We praise a fireman if he saves a life.Is the childs life any different?To gain favor from God means nothing?
Id love to know the percentage of all the abortions in the world that took place how many woman regret they did.
Thanx
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2nd Tim:3:16
New Living Translation
All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right.
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Hitch, will God hold you accountable for the suicide bombers actions?
Or anyone's actions, other than your own?
Criminalizing abortion will not make it go away. What it will do is drive it underground, and women will die.
Is that justice? Is that mercy? Will that gain you favor with God?
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The laws against drug use apply to both sexes.
Prostitution laws criminalize women, while giving a wink and a nod to the men who use them.
Laws against public nudity apply to both sexes.
If your religious views tell you that abortion is murder, then don't have one.
But your right to practice your religion ends where mine begin.
So you're basically saying abortion can't be a crime, because only a woman can commit it?
We're talking about a human life here. A human life should not be treated like an inconvenience. This is the 21st century. I'm sure there is more than enough birth control options open to you. Abortion on demand should not be one of them.
No, what I'm saying is it's not your business.
My body. My choice.
So if you want to commit murder, is that also none of my business because it's your choice? There's a logic that you're trying desperately to avoid. We're not in the Dark Ages here. As a "civilized" society we can't be so callus to the plight of the slaughter of millions that goes on at a daily basis. All for the sake of "convenience".
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Paints many of us have acted in ignorance and broken ALL laws.I am not in the position to examine anyones heart condition,but i believe God is just and fair and HE will.
If bible truths were taught in school instead of other garbage maybe the situation would be better.Its NEVER going to be completely good because the bible tells us "the whole world lies in power of wicked one"and relief hasnt come from that yet but is soon on the way.
As JJ mentioned with all birth control out there,they get put on back shelf and sadly they reap what they sow.And again as a i mentioned i understand the abortion from rape.Its not the womans fault.
Faith in God isnt easy in this satanic system.And us being prone to making mistakes our flesh is weak.I defend bible truths but i only know too well from some of my sins it isnt EZ!!
Truly worth reading
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102009203
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The laws against drug use apply to both sexes.
Prostitution laws criminalize women, while giving a wink and a nod to the men who use them.
Laws against public nudity apply to both sexes.
If your religious views tell you that abortion is murder, then don't have one.
But your right to practice your religion ends where mine begin.
So you're basically saying abortion can't be a crime, because only a woman can commit it?
We're talking about a human life here. A human life should not be treated like an inconvenience. This is the 21st century. I'm sure there is more than enough birth control options open to you. Abortion on demand should not be one of them.
No, what I'm saying is it's not your business.
My body. My choice.
So if you want to commit murder, is that also none of my business because it's your choice? There's a logic that you're trying desperately to avoid. We're not in the Dark Ages here. As a "civilized" society we can't be so callus to the plight of the slaughter of millions that goes on at a daily basis. All for the sake of "convenience".
If I want to commit murder of a living breathing soul, yes, you have the duty to stop me.
But to deny my right to the control of my own body is unacceptable.
My body does not belong to you. It doesn't belong to the government, and it doesn't belong to the church.
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Paints,JJ,myself or anyone else couldnt stop you from having an abortion just like we couldnt stop anyone from taking drugs.All we can do is present how God views the situation.
Then we all answer to him.
I know you will disgaree and say there will be manmade laws that treat woman like a criminal if she kills the baby.Well if you support bible <not sure if u do>then i think u know what eye for eye meant.Actually u might consider it getting off easy if u just got jailed....and if the woman then decides to use underground and dies from it she made a bad choice there.
God doesnt support a clean environment where the abortion is supposed to be done right!!ITs still murder!!
Truly amazing how much comes back to satan telling Eve independence from God is more beneficial and you wont die!!
The history of the human race speaks volumes for showing A&E made wrong decision!
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Hitch, you're missing the point.
The decision to abort or not is between a woman and her doctor.
Your religion is irrelevant to her choice.
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Paints,i support the bible.Of course i know that is irrelavant to the majority of the world.
Of course i hope that if a FC member was deciding to have an abortion and she saw how God felt about it from these posts it would help her to obey how HE views it!!
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Studies have shown that only 0.8% of abortions are done because of the health risks to the mother, while 98.3% are simply a personal choice. Yet, this is somehow made into a woman's health issue? It's a scapegoat.
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Of course, it's a woman's health issue. Men don't get pregnant.
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Again, only 0.8% of abortions are because of risks to the health of the mother. That's the extent that it is a woman's health issue.
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The laws against drug use apply to both sexes.
Prostitution laws criminalize women, while giving a wink and a nod to the men who use them.
Laws against public nudity apply to both sexes.
If your religious views tell you that abortion is murder, then don't have one.
But your right to practice your religion ends where mine begin.
So you're basically saying abortion can't be a crime, because only a woman can commit it?
We're talking about a human life here. A human life should not be treated like an inconvenience. This is the 21st century. I'm sure there is more than enough birth control options open to you. Abortion on demand should not be one of them.
No, what I'm saying is it's not your business.
My body. My choice.
So if you want to commit murder, is that also none of my business because it's your choice? There's a logic that you're trying desperately to avoid. We're not in the Dark Ages here. As a "civilized" society we can't be so callus to the plight of the slaughter of millions that goes on at a daily basis. All for the sake of "convenience".
If I want to commit murder of a living breathing soul, yes, you have the duty to stop me.
But to deny my right to the control of my own body is unacceptable.
My body does not belong to you. It doesn't belong to the government, and it doesn't belong to the church.
You cannot use your body to commit murder and abortion is ostensibly legalized murder.
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Again, only 0.8% of abortions are because of risks to the health of the mother. That's the extent that it is a woman's health issue.
Until men can get pregnant, it is a health issue that applies to women ONLY.
Her choice is not your business. Her reasons are not so simple.
https://www.guttmacher.org/about/journals/psrh/2005/reasons-us-women-have-abortions-quantitative-and-qualitative-perspectives
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The laws against drug use apply to both sexes.
Prostitution laws criminalize women, while giving a wink and a nod to the men who use them.
Laws against public nudity apply to both sexes.
If your religious views tell you that abortion is murder, then don't have one.
But your right to practice your religion ends where mine begin.
So you're basically saying abortion can't be a crime, because only a woman can commit it?
We're talking about a human life here. A human life should not be treated like an inconvenience. This is the 21st century. I'm sure there is more than enough birth control options open to you. Abortion on demand should not be one of them.
No, what I'm saying is it's not your business.
My body. My choice.
So if you want to commit murder, is that also none of my business because it's your choice? There's a logic that you're trying desperately to avoid. We're not in the Dark Ages here. As a "civilized" society we can't be so callus to the plight of the slaughter of millions that goes on at a daily basis. All for the sake of "convenience".
If I want to commit murder of a living breathing soul, yes, you have the duty to stop me.
But to deny my right to the control of my own body is unacceptable.
My body does not belong to you. It doesn't belong to the government, and it doesn't belong to the church.
You cannot use your body to commit murder and abortion is ostensibly legalized murder.
As I said, my body belongs to me. My choice, as to what and how I use it.
62% of abortions are sought by religious women. 24% are Catholic.
Clean out your own house first.
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Again, only 0.8% of abortions are because of risks to the health of the mother. That's the extent that it is a woman's health issue.
Until men can get pregnant, it is a health issue that applies to women ONLY.
Her choice is not your business. Her reasons are not so simple.
https://www.guttmacher.org/about/journals/psrh/2005/reasons-us-women-have-abortions-quantitative-and-qualitative-perspectives
Not really relevant that men can't pregnant and it wouldn't be a men's health issue either if that were the case.
Using less than 1% of abortions to justify all abortions is the flaw in logic. Especially since most pro-life people don't oppose abortions when there is risk to mothers health. In contrast, 100% of abortions affect the health of the baby. Woman give many reasons for abortions, but the overwhelming majority of them boil down to a baby being an inconvenience in their life.
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The consensual sex whether married or not i dont even wanna address.They both reaped what they sowed.They should follow Gods rules its murder.
I feel for the woman who has been raped.As i stated earlier i can understand her feeling i dont wanna have that monsters baby.She has to remember the child can grow up to be president and please God.And many wanna adopt!
I dont buy how many per-cent might be religeous.Gays are getting married in all relgeons.There is NO regard at all for Gods word.Jesus said in last days many would say they were religeous and prove false to its power.
Maybe users of steriods can have that same feeling.My body ill do what i want.Now they get suspended for it.Proven fact drugs kill.And they are cheaters.
Sometimes you suffer to do the right thing.As in the case would we let our child go thru a painful operation to correct something?
Yes i agree with Hawkeye.....its the inconvenience the baby would bring.
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Again, only 0.8% of abortions are because of risks to the health of the mother. That's the extent that it is a woman's health issue.
Until men can get pregnant, it is a health issue that applies to women ONLY.
Her choice is not your business. Her reasons are not so simple.
https://www.guttmacher.org/about/journals/psrh/2005/reasons-us-women-have-abortions-quantitative-and-qualitative-perspectives
Not really relevant that men can't pregnant and it wouldn't be a men's health issue either if that were the case.
Using less than 1% of abortions to justify all abortions is the flaw in logic. Especially since most pro-life people don't oppose abortions when there is risk to mothers health. In contrast, 100% of abortions affect the health of the baby. Woman give many reasons for abortions, but the overwhelming majority of them boil down to a baby being an inconvenience in their life.
I agree.
It's inconvenient to have a child to feed when you can't feed yourself.
It's inconvenient to have a child when you're homeless, living in your car.
It's inconvenient to have a child when you're fleeing from a man that beats you.
It's inconvenient to have a child when you're raped, and have to drop out of college. While you're rapist not only continues his education, but the state gives him visitation rights to the child.
It's inconvenient to die in childbirth, but what the heck-women do it every day.
It is a woman's right to determine the course of her own life. Without justifying her choices to anyone else.
Because when it's all said and done, she is the one who will bear the burden of her choice.
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The consensual sex whether married or not i dont even wanna address.They both reaped what they sowed.They should follow Gods rules its murder.
I feel for the woman who has been raped.As i stated earlier i can understand her feeling i dont wanna have that monsters baby.She has to remember the child can grow up to be president and please God.And many wanna adopt!
I dont buy how many per-cent might be religeous.Gays are getting married in all relgeons.There is NO regard at all for Gods word.Jesus said in last days many would say they were religeous and prove false to its power.
Maybe users of steriods can have that same feeling.My body ill do what i want.Now they get suspended for it.Proven fact drugs kill.And they are cheaters.
Sometimes you suffer to do the right thing.As in the case would we let our child go thru a painful operation to correct something?
Yes i agree with Hawkeye.....its the inconvenience the baby would bring.
The percentages of religious women having abortions are found here: https://www.guttmacher.org/united-states/abortion/demographics
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Paints....what do you mean by religeous woman?Woman who just believe in God?Or someone who lives by HIS word?
If it was the the latter,i can assure you the % of abortions wouldnt be that high!!
Lip service doesnt cut it.Faith without works is dead.
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Again, only 0.8% of abortions are because of risks to the health of the mother. That's the extent that it is a woman's health issue.
Until men can get pregnant, it is a health issue that applies to women ONLY.
Her choice is not your business. Her reasons are not so simple.
https://www.guttmacher.org/about/journals/psrh/2005/reasons-us-women-have-abortions-quantitative-and-qualitative-perspectives
Not really relevant that men can't pregnant and it wouldn't be a men's health issue either if that were the case.
Using less than 1% of abortions to justify all abortions is the flaw in logic. Especially since most pro-life people don't oppose abortions when there is risk to mothers health. In contrast, 100% of abortions affect the health of the baby. Woman give many reasons for abortions, but the overwhelming majority of them boil down to a baby being an inconvenience in their life.
I agree.
It's inconvenient to have a child to feed when you can't feed yourself.
It's inconvenient to have a child when you're homeless, living in your car.
It's inconvenient to have a child when you're fleeing from a man that beats you.
It's inconvenient to have a child when you're raped, and have to drop out of college. While you're rapist not only continues his education, but the state gives him visitation rights to the child.
It's inconvenient to die in childbirth, but what the heck-women do it every day.
It is a woman's right to determine the course of her own life. Without justifying her choices to anyone else.
Because when it's all said and done, she is the one who will bear the burden of her choice.
There's a baby that will bear the burden of that choice, but it isn't the only choice available.
You can choose abstinence.
You can choose to use protection or any methods of birth control readily available to prevent pregnancy.
You can choose to put the baby up for adoption. There are 36 couples waiting to adopt for every one baby put up for adoption.
Yes, woman die in childbirth. Health risks to the mother account for 0.8% of all abortions. This the fourth time I've acknowledged that. Cases of rape account for 0.3% of abortions. Various other reasons including incest, mental health of the woman, and health of the baby account for 0.6%. That leaves 98.3% of abortions occur when there are (a) two consenting partners, (b) healthy mother
and (c) healthy baby. Given that there are couples out there that would love to raise your child if you choose not do, how is killing the baby even an option? For as much progress as society has made, we are behind the times in this area.
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The laws against drug use apply to both sexes.
Prostitution laws criminalize women, while giving a wink and a nod to the men who use them.
Laws against public nudity apply to both sexes.
If your religious views tell you that abortion is murder, then don't have one.
But your right to practice your religion ends where mine begin.
So you're basically saying abortion can't be a crime, because only a woman can commit it?
We're talking about a human life here. A human life should not be treated like an inconvenience. This is the 21st century. I'm sure there is more than enough birth control options open to you. Abortion on demand should not be one of them.
No, what I'm saying is it's not your business.
My body. My choice.
So if you want to commit murder, is that also none of my business because it's your choice? There's a logic that you're trying desperately to avoid. We're not in the Dark Ages here. As a "civilized" society we can't be so callus to the plight of the slaughter of millions that goes on at a daily basis. All for the sake of "convenience".
If I want to commit murder of a living breathing soul, yes, you have the duty to stop me.
But to deny my right to the control of my own body is unacceptable.
My body does not belong to you. It doesn't belong to the government, and it doesn't belong to the church.
You cannot use your body to commit murder and abortion is ostensibly legalized murder.
As I said, my body belongs to me. My choice, as to what and how I use it.
62% of abortions are sought by religious women. 24% are Catholic.
Clean out your own house first.
I'm...not Catholic.
But I think this pretty much goes to what others have said. Some people are just pro-abortion.Plain & simple. Kill'em all. Who cares, right? Not even the pretense that we ought to make the practice as rare as humanly possible.
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Again, only 0.8% of abortions are because of risks to the health of the mother. That's the extent that it is a woman's health issue.
Until men can get pregnant, it is a health issue that applies to women ONLY.
Her choice is not your business. Her reasons are not so simple.
https://www.guttmacher.org/about/journals/psrh/2005/reasons-us-women-have-abortions-quantitative-and-qualitative-perspectives
Not really relevant that men can't pregnant and it wouldn't be a men's health issue either if that were the case.
Using less than 1% of abortions to justify all abortions is the flaw in logic. Especially since most pro-life people don't oppose abortions when there is risk to mothers health. In contrast, 100% of abortions affect the health of the baby. Woman give many reasons for abortions, but the overwhelming majority of them boil down to a baby being an inconvenience in their life.
Exactly.
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Again, only 0.8% of abortions are because of risks to the health of the mother. That's the extent that it is a woman's health issue.
Until men can get pregnant, it is a health issue that applies to women ONLY.
Her choice is not your business. Her reasons are not so simple.
https://www.guttmacher.org/about/journals/psrh/2005/reasons-us-women-have-abortions-quantitative-and-qualitative-perspectives
Not really relevant that men can't pregnant and it wouldn't be a men's health issue either if that were the case.
Using less than 1% of abortions to justify all abortions is the flaw in logic. Especially since most pro-life people don't oppose abortions when there is risk to mothers health. In contrast, 100% of abortions affect the health of the baby. Woman give many reasons for abortions, but the overwhelming majority of them boil down to a baby being an inconvenience in their life.
I agree.
It's inconvenient to have a child to feed when you can't feed yourself.
It's inconvenient to have a child when you're homeless, living in your car.
It's inconvenient to have a child when you're fleeing from a man that beats you.
It's inconvenient to have a child when you're raped, and have to drop out of college. While you're rapist not only continues his education, but the state gives him visitation rights to the child.
It's inconvenient to die in childbirth, but what the heck-women do it every day.
It is a woman's right to determine the course of her own life. Without justifying her choices to anyone else.
Because when it's all said and done, she is the one who will bear the burden of her choice.
There's a baby that will bear the burden of that choice, but it isn't the only choice available.
You can choose abstinence.
You can choose to use protection or any methods of birth control readily available to prevent pregnancy.
You can choose to put the baby up for adoption. There are 36 couples waiting to adopt for every one baby put up for adoption.
Yes, woman die in childbirth. Health risks to the mother account for 0.8% of all abortions. This the fourth time I've acknowledged that. Cases of rape account for 0.3% of abortions. Various other reasons including incest, mental health of the woman, and health of the baby account for 0.6%. That leaves 98.3% of abortions occur when there are (a) two consenting partners, (b) healthy mother
and (c) healthy baby. Given that there are couples out there that would love to raise your child if you choose not do, how is killing the baby even an option? For as much progress as society has made, we are behind the times in this area.
Yes, there seems to be this myth that there's a high abortion count over rapes, but that clearly isn't the case. In any regard, we ought to make adoption the preferred choice. As you said, there's also many who can't have children and desperately try to adopt.
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The real question is who made us so "wise" as to decide who lives and who dies? Can you honestly look in a child's face and say "You really shouldn't exist. Your parents didn't want you. You should have been aborted."? Has Mankind become so hard hearted that we think we know better than our Creator the purpose to which we serve? Who among us are worthy to live and survive? There's going to come a time of reckoning for every ill deed committed. And we'll have to answer to the Great Judge of all Mankind. Are you willing to tell Him His creations were an inconvenience and needed to be destroyed?
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Again, only 0.8% of abortions are because of risks to the health of the mother. That's the extent that it is a woman's health issue.
Until men can get pregnant, it is a health issue that applies to women ONLY.
Her choice is not your business. Her reasons are not so simple.
https://www.guttmacher.org/about/journals/psrh/2005/reasons-us-women-have-abortions-quantitative-and-qualitative-perspectives
Not really relevant that men can't pregnant and it wouldn't be a men's health issue either if that were the case.
Using less than 1% of abortions to justify all abortions is the flaw in logic. Especially since most pro-life people don't oppose abortions when there is risk to mothers health. In contrast, 100% of abortions affect the health of the baby. Woman give many reasons for abortions, but the overwhelming majority of them boil down to a baby being an inconvenience in their life.
I agree.
It's inconvenient to have a child to feed when you can't feed yourself.
It's inconvenient to have a child when you're homeless, living in your car.
It's inconvenient to have a child when you're fleeing from a man that beats you.
It's inconvenient to have a child when you're raped, and have to drop out of college. While you're rapist not only continues his education, but the state gives him visitation rights to the child.
It's inconvenient to die in childbirth, but what the heck-women do it every day.
It is a woman's right to determine the course of her own life. Without justifying her choices to anyone else.
Because when it's all said and done, she is the one who will bear the burden of her choice.
There's a baby that will bear the burden of that choice, but it isn't the only choice available.
You can choose abstinence.
You can choose to use protection or any methods of birth control readily available to prevent pregnancy.
You can choose to put the baby up for adoption. There are 36 couples waiting to adopt for every one baby put up for adoption.
Yes, woman die in childbirth. Health risks to the mother account for 0.8% of all abortions. This the fourth time I've acknowledged that. Cases of rape account for 0.3% of abortions. Various other reasons including incest, mental health of the woman, and health of the baby account for 0.6%. That leaves 98.3% of abortions occur when there are (a) two consenting partners, (b) healthy mother
and (c) healthy baby. Given that there are couples out there that would love to raise your child if you choose not do, how is killing the baby even an option? For as much progress as society has made, we are behind the times in this area.
No, your percentages are about abortions, not women who die in childbirth.
Maternal mortality rates are about women who die. The US has the highest maternal mortality rate in a developed country.
The maternal mortality rate in Texas doubled when they started closing clinics.
When you reduce women to incubators, and our children to commodities to be bought and sold, Women are better off choosing their own path.
The number of children that live out their childhood in foster care puts the lie to "so many couples" wanting to adopt. It's obscene to demand that a woman continue a pregnancy so someone else can have a baby.
My body. My choice. My business.
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The laws against drug use apply to both sexes.
Prostitution laws criminalize women, while giving a wink and a nod to the men who use them.
Laws against public nudity apply to both sexes.
If your religious views tell you that abortion is murder, then don't have one.
But your right to practice your religion ends where mine begin.
So you're basically saying abortion can't be a crime, because only a woman can commit it?
We're talking about a human life here. A human life should not be treated like an inconvenience. This is the 21st century. I'm sure there is more than enough birth control options open to you. Abortion on demand should not be one of them.
No, what I'm saying is it's not your business.
My body. My choice.
So if you want to commit murder, is that also none of my business because it's your choice? There's a logic that you're trying desperately to avoid. We're not in the Dark Ages here. As a "civilized" society we can't be so callus to the plight of the slaughter of millions that goes on at a daily basis. All for the sake of "convenience".
If I want to commit murder of a living breathing soul, yes, you have the duty to stop me.
But to deny my right to the control of my own body is unacceptable.
My body does not belong to you. It doesn't belong to the government, and it doesn't belong to the church.
You cannot use your body to commit murder and abortion is ostensibly legalized murder.
As I said, my body belongs to me. My choice, as to what and how I use it.
62% of abortions are sought by religious women. 24% are Catholic.
Clean out your own house first.
I'm...not Catholic.
But I think this pretty much goes to what others have said. Some people are just pro-abortion.Plain & simple. Kill'em all. Who cares, right? Not even the pretense that we ought to make the practice as rare as humanly possible.
It was a Catholic bishop who said, "Kill 'em all, and let God sort it out."
I'm not pro-abortion. I'm a realist. Having a baby is not a walk in the park. Idealizing pregnancy and its' risks is foolish.
Give women accurate information, and let them make their own choices. They're capable.
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Again, only 0.8% of abortions are because of risks to the health of the mother. That's the extent that it is a woman's health issue.
Until men can get pregnant, it is a health issue that applies to women ONLY.
Her choice is not your business. Her reasons are not so simple.
https://www.guttmacher.org/about/journals/psrh/2005/reasons-us-women-have-abortions-quantitative-and-qualitative-perspectives
Not really relevant that men can't pregnant and it wouldn't be a men's health issue either if that were the case.
Using less than 1% of abortions to justify all abortions is the flaw in logic. Especially since most pro-life people don't oppose abortions when there is risk to mothers health. In contrast, 100% of abortions affect the health of the baby. Woman give many reasons for abortions, but the overwhelming majority of them boil down to a baby being an inconvenience in their life.
I agree.
It's inconvenient to have a child to feed when you can't feed yourself.
It's inconvenient to have a child when you're homeless, living in your car.
It's inconvenient to have a child when you're fleeing from a man that beats you.
It's inconvenient to have a child when you're raped, and have to drop out of college. While you're rapist not only continues his education, but the state gives him visitation rights to the child.
It's inconvenient to die in childbirth, but what the heck-women do it every day.
It is a woman's right to determine the course of her own life. Without justifying her choices to anyone else.
Because when it's all said and done, she is the one who will bear the burden of her choice.
There's a baby that will bear the burden of that choice, but it isn't the only choice available.
You can choose abstinence.
You can choose to use protection or any methods of birth control readily available to prevent pregnancy.
You can choose to put the baby up for adoption. There are 36 couples waiting to adopt for every one baby put up for adoption.
Yes, woman die in childbirth. Health risks to the mother account for 0.8% of all abortions. This the fourth time I've acknowledged that. Cases of rape account for 0.3% of abortions. Various other reasons including incest, mental health of the woman, and health of the baby account for 0.6%. That leaves 98.3% of abortions occur when there are (a) two consenting partners, (b) healthy mother
and (c) healthy baby. Given that there are couples out there that would love to raise your child if you choose not do, how is killing the baby even an option? For as much progress as society has made, we are behind the times in this area.
No, your percentages are about abortions, not women who die in childbirth.
Maternal mortality rates are about women who die. The US has the highest maternal mortality rate in a developed country.
The maternal mortality rate in Texas doubled when they started closing clinics.
When you reduce women to incubators, and our children to commodities to be bought and sold, Women are better off choosing their own path.
The number of children that live out their childhood in foster care puts the lie to "so many couples" wanting to adopt. It's obscene to demand that a woman continue a pregnancy so someone else can have a baby.
My body. My choice. My business.
There are roughly 50x more abortions for woman's health issues than there are actual death's from childbirth. Nice try.
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Paints....what do you mean by religeous woman?Woman who just believe in God?Or someone who lives by HIS word?
If it was the the latter,i can assure you the % of abortions wouldnt be that high!!
Lip service doesnt cut it.Faith without works is dead.
Hitch, religious means that they identified themselves as religious. Catholic, protestant, evangelical, Jewish, etc.
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Again, only 0.8% of abortions are because of risks to the health of the mother. That's the extent that it is a woman's health issue.
Until men can get pregnant, it is a health issue that applies to women ONLY.
Her choice is not your business. Her reasons are not so simple.
https://www.guttmacher.org/about/journals/psrh/2005/reasons-us-women-have-abortions-quantitative-and-qualitative-perspectives
Not really relevant that men can't pregnant and it wouldn't be a men's health issue either if that were the case.
Using less than 1% of abortions to justify all abortions is the flaw in logic. Especially since most pro-life people don't oppose abortions when there is risk to mothers health. In contrast, 100% of abortions affect the health of the baby. Woman give many reasons for abortions, but the overwhelming majority of them boil down to a baby being an inconvenience in their life.
I agree.
It's inconvenient to have a child to feed when you can't feed yourself.
It's inconvenient to have a child when you're homeless, living in your car.
It's inconvenient to have a child when you're fleeing from a man that beats you.
It's inconvenient to have a child when you're raped, and have to drop out of college. While you're rapist not only continues his education, but the state gives him visitation rights to the child.
It's inconvenient to die in childbirth, but what the heck-women do it every day.
It is a woman's right to determine the course of her own life. Without justifying her choices to anyone else.
Because when it's all said and done, she is the one who will bear the burden of her choice.
There's a baby that will bear the burden of that choice, but it isn't the only choice available.
You can choose abstinence.
You can choose to use protection or any methods of birth control readily available to prevent pregnancy.
You can choose to put the baby up for adoption. There are 36 couples waiting to adopt for every one baby put up for adoption.
Yes, woman die in childbirth. Health risks to the mother account for 0.8% of all abortions. This the fourth time I've acknowledged that. Cases of rape account for 0.3% of abortions. Various other reasons including incest, mental health of the woman, and health of the baby account for 0.6%. That leaves 98.3% of abortions occur when there are (a) two consenting partners, (b) healthy mother
and (c) healthy baby. Given that there are couples out there that would love to raise your child if you choose not do, how is killing the baby even an option? For as much progress as society has made, we are behind the times in this area.
No, your percentages are about abortions, not women who die in childbirth.
Maternal mortality rates are about women who die. The US has the highest maternal mortality rate in a developed country.
The maternal mortality rate in Texas doubled when they started closing clinics.
When you reduce women to incubators, and our children to commodities to be bought and sold, Women are better off choosing their own path.
The number of children that live out their childhood in foster care puts the lie to "so many couples" wanting to adopt. It's obscene to demand that a woman continue a pregnancy so someone else can have a baby.
My body. My choice. My business.
There are roughly 50x more abortions for woman's health issues than there are actual death's from childbirth. Nice try.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pregnancy-related-deaths-are-inexcusably-high-in-the-us_us_57b601d8e4b0b51733a20d56?section
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/20/texas-maternal-mortality-rate-health-clinics-funding?CMP=share_btn_fb
http://www.ipsnews.net/2016/08/one-humanity-millions-of-children-tortured-smuggled-abused-enslaved/
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Prov 14:12 sums it all up
12 There exists a way that is upright before a man,+ but the ways of death are the ways after it.
Of course in this ungodly world many could care less about this saying.But there are some who do realize that man has dominated himself to his own injury since the rebellion in Eden!
Mankinds history speaks volumes how RIGHT the bible is.
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The laws against drug use apply to both sexes.
Prostitution laws criminalize women, while giving a wink and a nod to the men who use them.
Laws against public nudity apply to both sexes.
If your religious views tell you that abortion is murder, then don't have one.
But your right to practice your religion ends where mine begin.
So you're basically saying abortion can't be a crime, because only a woman can commit it?
We're talking about a human life here. A human life should not be treated like an inconvenience. This is the 21st century. I'm sure there is more than enough birth control options open to you. Abortion on demand should not be one of them.
No, what I'm saying is it's not your business.
My body. My choice.
So if you want to commit murder, is that also none of my business because it's your choice? There's a logic that you're trying desperately to avoid. We're not in the Dark Ages here. As a "civilized" society we can't be so callus to the plight of the slaughter of millions that goes on at a daily basis. All for the sake of "convenience".
If I want to commit murder of a living breathing soul, yes, you have the duty to stop me.
But to deny my right to the control of my own body is unacceptable.
My body does not belong to you. It doesn't belong to the government, and it doesn't belong to the church.
You cannot use your body to commit murder and abortion is ostensibly legalized murder.
As I said, my body belongs to me. My choice, as to what and how I use it.
62% of abortions are sought by religious women. 24% are Catholic.
Clean out your own house first.
I'm...not Catholic.
But I think this pretty much goes to what others have said. Some people are just pro-abortion.Plain & simple. Kill'em all. Who cares, right? Not even the pretense that we ought to make the practice as rare as humanly possible.
It was a Catholic bishop who said, "Kill 'em all, and let God sort it out."
I'm not pro-abortion. I'm a realist. Having a baby is not a walk in the park. Idealizing pregnancy and its' risks is foolish.
Give women accurate information, and let them make their own choices. They're capable.
Having a choice that leads to the death of an innocent child should never be an option. There are people that want to adopt children out there, y'know.
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The laws against drug use apply to both sexes.
Prostitution laws criminalize women, while giving a wink and a nod to the men who use them.
Laws against public nudity apply to both sexes.
If your religious views tell you that abortion is murder, then don't have one.
But your right to practice your religion ends where mine begin.
So you're basically saying abortion can't be a crime, because only a woman can commit it?
We're talking about a human life here. A human life should not be treated like an inconvenience. This is the 21st century. I'm sure there is more than enough birth control options open to you. Abortion on demand should not be one of them.
No, what I'm saying is it's not your business.
My body. My choice.
So if you want to commit murder, is that also none of my business because it's your choice? There's a logic that you're trying desperately to avoid. We're not in the Dark Ages here. As a "civilized" society we can't be so callus to the plight of the slaughter of millions that goes on at a daily basis. All for the sake of "convenience".
If I want to commit murder of a living breathing soul, yes, you have the duty to stop me.
But to deny my right to the control of my own body is unacceptable.
My body does not belong to you. It doesn't belong to the government, and it doesn't belong to the church.
You cannot use your body to commit murder and abortion is ostensibly legalized murder.
As I said, my body belongs to me. My choice, as to what and how I use it.
62% of abortions are sought by religious women. 24% are Catholic.
Clean out your own house first.
I'm...not Catholic.
But I think this pretty much goes to what others have said. Some people are just pro-abortion.Plain & simple. Kill'em all. Who cares, right? Not even the pretense that we ought to make the practice as rare as humanly possible.
It was a Catholic bishop who said, "Kill 'em all, and let God sort it out."
I'm not pro-abortion. I'm a realist. Having a baby is not a walk in the park. Idealizing pregnancy and its' risks is foolish.
Give women accurate information, and let them make their own choices. They're capable.
Having a choice that leads to the death of an innocent child should never be an option. There are people that want to adopt children out there, y'know.
The abortion debate has never been about children. It has always, from the beginning, been about keeping women in their "place."
Not the place God put them, mind you, but the place men decided they should occupy.
If we want to protect innocent children, maybe we should stop bombing their countries.
Maybe, when an adult male rapes a two-year old, we could put him in jail, instead of letting him go, because "he wouldn't do well in jail."
Maybe we could see that no child goes to bed hungry, or starves to death.
Maybe we could see that no child lives in a homeless shelter or on the streets.
To do that, we'd have to change the way we think. About children, about families, and about our own destructive behaviors, as a society.
It's much easier to blame the woman.