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Title: 'Police Had a Choice.' Father of Man Shot By NYC Police While Holding a Pipe
Post by: jwkelly on April 06, 2018, 09:12:32 am
(NEW YORK) — The father of a man killed by police officers in Brooklyn said his son was bipolar and wasn’t taking his medication, but was not dangerous and didn’t deserve to die.


Saheed Vassell, 34, was fatally shot Wednesday evening in Brooklyn by police officers responding to multiple 911 calls about a man threatening people with a gun.

The officers who rushed to the scene encountered Vassell holding a metal object in his hand. In security camera images released by the police, the L-shaped length of pipe looked remarkably like a firearm. Vassell brandished it like a weapon, too, extending his arm and pointing the short-barreled object at several people, causing some to cower in apparent fright.

When Vassell pointed the object at the arriving officers in what police officials described as a “two-handed shooting stance,” four opened fire, shooting a combined 10 times.

Vassell’s father, Eric, told reporters after the shooting that his son had been hospitalized several times for psychiatric problems, some involving encounters with the police, but was polite and kind.

“Police had a choice. They always have a choice. They should not train them to kill. They should train them to protect life, to save life,” Eric Vassell said in an interview with WABC-TV.

A tense crowd gathered after the shooting, with some people shouting at officers and decrying the killing as another example of an unarmed black man being killed by police officers who overreacted.

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio said in a news conference Thursday that the incident was “a tragedy by any measure.” He said Vassell had “a profound mental health problem.”

But he didn’t lay blame on the officers.

“People in the community thought he had a weapon and was aiming at residents,” said de Blasio, a Democrat.

He and police officials said officers had to make a quick decision and were unaware of Vassell’s history of mental illness.

The mayor said police would disclose the contents of 911 calls and any video of the incident.

“There is a lot more we need to know,” he said.

In police radio traffic recorded during the incident and posted online, dispatchers directing officers to the scene said 911 callers were reporting only that a person was pointing a gun at people. After the shooting, the officers can be heard frantically calling for dispatchers to send an ambulance.

New York’s attorney general, Eric Schneiderman, announced Thursday that he would investigate the shooting.

Under an executive order issued by the governor in 2015, the attorney general has the power to act as a special prosecutor in cases involving police killings of unarmed people.

Schneiderman’s spokeswoman, Amy Spitalnick, promised “an independent, comprehensive and fair investigation.”

A neighborhood resident, Andre Wilson, 38, told the Daily News that he had known Vassell for 20 years, describing him as a quirky neighborhood character.

“All he did was just walk around the neighborhood,” he said. “He speaks to himself, usually he has an orange Bible or a rosary in his hand. He never had a problem with anyone.”

Wilson said he was shocked that it would come to this.

“The officers from the neighborhood, they know him. He has no issue with violence. Everybody just knows he’s just mentally challenged. This shouldn’t have happened at all,” he said.

The shooting comes after the police killing of an unarmed black man on March 18 in Sacramento, California, sparked two weeks of protests and calls for police reform.

Stephon Clark, 22, was shot by officers responding to a report of someone breaking car windows. Police said they thought he had a gun, but he was carrying only a cellphone.
Title: Re: 'Police Had a Choice.' Father of Man Shot By NYC Police While Holding a Pipe
Post by: jwkelly on April 06, 2018, 09:22:12 am
Police have to make split second decisions to save lives including their own. If you  have pipe on you it better be for smoking,because you're doing plumbing work and not going after ppl with it. The "he's mentally ill" excuse means what ? It's the officers fault this person wasn't  locked away ?  Officer made him do it ? Blame game. Police don't just attack/kill you no matter unless you're a problem, believe if cops behaved with trigger fingers with ppl who are doing things differently I'd be dead going on 35 years.
Title: Re: 'Police Had a Choice.' Father of Man Shot By NYC Police While Holding a Pipe
Post by: sbenkoski on April 06, 2018, 09:28:50 am
People with mental health problems should have a medical ID they states such.  And truthfully need to be watched and cared for by some one.  If we can have PERVS  being watched by big brother why not other people with problems.
Title: Re: Metal object in fatal police shooting was a welding torch
Post by: jwkelly on April 07, 2018, 03:21:02 am
POS father trying to blame police
Title: Re: 'Police Had a Choice.' Father of Man Shot By NYC Police While Holding a Pipe
Post by: sfreeman8 on April 07, 2018, 05:09:34 am
Wow! DiBlasio not condemning the police! That's a first. Maybe he learned his lesson when he trashed them a couple years ago. Or was it because the man wasn't black. I hate to pull race into it but the mayor is well known for jumping to conclusions and taking the side of blacks even if they were in the wrong.

It's really a horrible time for the police. Sure, some are abusive and out of control. Those should be weeded out of any police department, but I think 99%  follow the
protect and serve" motto. If a person is holding what looks like a weapon, they only have seconds to react. A lot of police are attacked for no reason except that they wear the uniform, so it's understandable when they use force, especially if they think a weapon is being pointed at them.