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Title: immigrants
Post by: TGA3644 on April 29, 2010, 07:43:50 am
immagrants need help also this is america land of the free
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: cowgirlx on April 29, 2010, 08:36:02 am
This is true, but what is the whole point of this topic?  What is it that you want everyone discuss?
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: dealdeal1 on April 29, 2010, 01:11:44 pm
America "The Land Of The Free" can be iterpreted in many different ways. I don't believe it meant everything is Free if you come here! Like citizenship it is not Free!
It's something you have to earn when you get here! The word FREE is interpreted to mean everthing is Free. Thats not the case, even though many immigrants and some of our politicians tend to believe that interpretation!   :peace:
 
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: sammywantsya on April 29, 2010, 04:21:17 pm
i agree with dealdeal

even tho its a dream to live in america but like others had said you have to earn and work hard to get to america.

immigrants came to america illegally and cheating is not allowed on any country.. i know most immigrants have some valid reasons to do this.. but you can do a another way to support your country and to america as well..

why this kind of activity isnt allowed here in america well there are thousands of valid reasons.. you may have some good reasons but some would like to hurt america as well.. we have to think safety percussions in order to stay alive from those kind of threats thats involved..

PS wrong section lol   :P
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: steven8280 on May 02, 2010, 05:26:23 pm
Is this your thought on the new law passed in Arizona? Well instead of posting about it and not taking action, you could of helped the many people protesting it at downtown City Hall yesterday if you live in san jose.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: aoyelove on May 02, 2010, 06:06:04 pm
I think illegal immigration is something this country needs to get under control. The unique thing about the US's problem compared to that of other countries is that the US shares a large and hard to patrol border with a country that is much worse off.
I understand that illegal immigrants come to the US because they want a better life, but that is why everyone came here, and not everyone did it illegally and made themselves a burden to legal citizens.
While I think the measures taken in Arizona are harsh, I understand what they wanted to achieve and fully agree. Sometimes unfavorable things need to be done to fix a problem.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: dealdeal1 on May 02, 2010, 06:19:57 pm
I think illegal immigration is something this country needs to get under control. The unique thing about the US's problem compared to that of other countries is that the US shares a large and hard to patrol border with a country that is much worse off.
I understand that illegal immigrants come to the US because they want a better life, but that is why everyone came here, and not everyone did it illegally and made themselves a burden to legal citizens.
While I think the measures taken in Arizona are harsh, I understand what they wanted to achieve and fully agree. Sometimes unfavorable things need to be done to fix a problem.

Could'nt have said it better myself! I agree 100% with you!
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: southernhorizons on May 03, 2010, 02:15:00 pm
America "The Land Of The Free" can be iterpreted in many different ways. I don't believe it meant everything is Free if you come here! Like citizenship it is not Free!
It's something you have to earn when you get here! The word FREE is interpreted to mean everthing is Free. Thats not the case, even though many immigrants and some of our politicians tend to believe that interpretation!   :peace:
 
I agree. What would be the advantage to being an American citizen, if people can come illegally from other countries and get everything for free that we have to work for all our lives? Also, if they are illegal, that shows they have no respect for our laws, and we certainly don't need any more criminals in this country.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: steven8280 on May 03, 2010, 02:42:03 pm
I have a great idea! Why doesn't Fusion Cash go international! That way, people in other countries will have some money in their pockets and MIGHT not come here ! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: freepcmoney on May 03, 2010, 05:33:16 pm
immagrants need help also this is america land of the free

Here is a clue for ALL you clueless ones. The land of the FREE, means that we, as citizens, are FREE to persue our hopes and dreams, according to our abilities and hard work. It means that we are a FREE PEOPLE and NOT enslved by the government or a dictator as many people are in other countries.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: freepcmoney on May 03, 2010, 05:39:33 pm
Before you can solve the problem, you must stop the cause of the problem.

Put the national guard all along the Mexican Border and order them to kill anyone that comes actoss it, that does not pass through customs. PROBLEM SOLVED!!

Then start deporting ALL the ILLEGAL'S who are here. Otherwise, IF you deport them today, they will be back next week, the way the border is now. Gotta STOP ALL ILLEGAL BORDER  CROSSING FIRST!!!
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: freepcmoney on May 03, 2010, 05:40:45 pm
I have a great idea! Why doesn't Fusion Cash go international! That way, people in other countries will have some money in their pockets and MIGHT not come here ! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I think NOT. Needs to solve the problems it already has FIRST!!
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: stokeman455 on May 03, 2010, 05:43:29 pm
   :angel12: May I get a AMEN for (freepcmoney) Thats it, in a nutshell!!!!!!!!!!!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: steven8280 on May 03, 2010, 06:03:18 pm
oh yeah haha i forgot about us!  :P
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: reymadrid123 on May 03, 2010, 09:29:51 pm
I believe that people should be able to find a way into the United States legally. The new law in Arizona is crazy.

Freepcmoney, why do you think that people trying to find a good life should be killed? I could understand if they come to the US to commit crimes, but MOST of the time, they come here just to work.  I don't see a problem with deporting them if they commit crimes, but at least give people a chance.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: debraleesparks on May 04, 2010, 12:03:57 am
 :- I live in the central valley of California, where most of the migrants come to work in the fields, and orchards.. We have a water shortage here now, and the farmers are not able to grow anything.. The migrant workers are out of work, and they are stealing, and doing anything at all, to be able to eat.. They won't go home, because there is nothing for them back in Mexico.. They are really desperate right now.. I am afraid to leave my house alone, because as soon as anyone leaves theirs for more than an hour, it gets burglerized. People who don't live in an area like this are against the law they just passed in Arizona... I UNDERSTAND IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: aoyelove on May 04, 2010, 08:02:54 pm
Before you can solve the problem, you must stop the cause of the problem.

Put the national guard all along the Mexican Border and order them to kill anyone that comes actoss it, that does not pass through customs. PROBLEM SOLVED!!

Then start deporting ALL the ILLEGAL'S who are here. Otherwise, IF you deport them today, they will be back next week, the way the border is now. Gotta STOP ALL ILLEGAL BORDER  CROSSING FIRST!!!

I think that is a bit much, but I do feel that it is necessary to deport illegals and secure our border. I'm not against immigration, but as the child of immigrants who came to the United States LEGALLY, I know that there are more ways than sneaking across a border to secure a better life in a better country.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: Magaliflawless on May 04, 2010, 08:06:56 pm
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Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: Eclipse98RS on May 04, 2010, 10:36:04 pm
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Everyone deserves a chance huh? So lets open the borders and allow Afgan/Iraq to come on over. Some of them might actually decide not to blow us up. And as far as the AZ law I support it. The Mexicans who have problems with it probably have a family member in America who is here illegaly. I don't see the big deal about carrying around a piece of paper. They did it to themselves....
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: ronie_23 on May 04, 2010, 11:02:34 pm
wow I don't even know what to say.  I came to this country illegaly when I was 15.  It was not my decision but my dads, I didn't want to come nor did my sister who was 13, we simply had no choice.  This was more than 22years ago.  At first the language barrier, the diversity of people, the customs was overwhelming and we just wanted to go back, we even tried running away but couldn't get far.  As the days, weeks, months and years went by this became our home. Neither my sister or I have papers yet, its complicated.  It is sad to hear that some people think so little of us immigrants.  Althought I may not be legal, I have always work hard, I have health insurance, I have owned and paid several cars, I am in the process of buying a house.  I have ok credit and don't owe anyone.  I tried to follow the law and try to keep out of trouble.  Most people know of my legal status, I am no ashamed of being an illegal immigrant, but they also know of my integrity.  Being illegal doesn't mean that we are criminals, I would never shoot anyone unless I had a life threatening reason and even then I think I would have a problem.  For anyone to say just shoot as they come accross sounds to me like your saying "use this as an excuse an go trigger happy". That just sounds wrong.

I don't even know what to say....
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: kiralynn1 on May 04, 2010, 11:24:03 pm
I'm not really decided on this issue as in Ronie's case, they can't help what their parents decided to do. As far as I'm concerned ronie is now an American mixed with whatever and wherever their from. Sure we have to learn different languages, pay for things and what not, but we also help others out, if we didn't and didn't have trade with other countries and things like that, we wouldn't have help in times of war. People really need to stop getting their panties in a bunch over stupid crap like this, leave it alone and frankly since two countries are linked with ours top and bottom both Canada and Mexico, why can't they just come over and visit? There never was passports for Canadians as for Mexico I'm not sure so why now? because of what happened for 911? Oh geeze well its still happening with our own people, maybe we need to keep better tabs on people in the states rather than worry about other places.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: debraleesparks on May 04, 2010, 11:58:45 pm
wow I don't even know what to say.  I came to this country illegaly when I was 15.  It was not my decision but my dads, I didn't want to come nor did my sister who was 13, we simply had no choice.  This was more than 22years ago.  At first the language barrier, the diversity of people, the customs was overwhelming and we just wanted to go back, we even tried running away but couldn't get far.  As the days, weeks, months and years went by this became our home. Neither my sister or I have papers yet, its complicated.  It is sad to hear that some people think so little of us immigrants.  Althought I may not be legal, I have always work hard, I have health insurance, I have owned and paid several cars, I am in the process of buying a house.  I have ok credit and don't owe anyone.  I tried to follow the law and try to keep out of trouble.  Most people know of my legal status, I am no ashamed of being an illegal immigrant, but they also know of my integrity.  Being illegal doesn't mean that we are criminals, I would never shoot anyone unless I had a life threatening reason and even then I think I would have a problem.  For anyone to say just shoot as they come accross sounds to me like your saying "use this as an excuse an go trigger happy". That just sounds wrong.

I don't even know what to say....
:sad1: :sad1: :sad1:No,,you are NOT following the law, if you are here illegally.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: debraleesparks on May 05, 2010, 01:46:01 am
 :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1:              oh, and you must have gotten a social security card illegally, if you have credit to buy a house, and get a drivers license... maybe Fusion Cash should turn you in to ICE.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: ronie_23 on May 05, 2010, 11:51:45 am
wow... no actually I applied pretty much just like you did... my social is mine, my dl is mine... fortunatelly for me neither one of you runs this country, there is still laws that protects us.  Funny thing is that people from my country are never in the news about committing crimes.  If you watch the news closely majority of the people there are affluent people.  People who went to school, people who were trained in fields in which they have access to anything.  Not to stereo type but my people are hards workers, we all have jobs, hell my brother is a recruiter for the marines, yes he is serving this great country.  My oldest son wants to also be a marine, my seven 7year wants to be president as you can see we are not here for anything else but to make it just like you.  Yes I may not be legal but just like you, I pay taxes, I am not on government assistance as I believe that as I long as I am able I will work for what I want.  As for ICE they already know about me. lol... so calling them won't do you any good.  ;)
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: debraleesparks on May 05, 2010, 12:22:48 pm
 :thumbsup:  OH WELL THEN IF THEY KNOW YOU, AND YOU GOT YOUR S.S. CARD, YOU MUST BE LEGAL.  YOU MIGHT HAVE A GREEN CARD. THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM THE PEOPLE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. THEY ONLY GIVE S.S.CARDS TO PEOPLE WHO CAN PROVE THEY ARE LEGAL. SOME PEOPLE USE DEAD PEOPLES S.S. NUMBERS, AND THAT IS ILLEGAL. IF YOU ARE WELL KNOW HERE, AND GOT YOUR CARDS THE RIGHT WAY,,, THEN GOOD LUCK TO YOU.WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ONES WHO RUN ACROSS THINKING THEY WILL GET RICH HERE,,THEN WHEN THEY FIND OUT HOW IT REALLY IS, THEY STEAL AND DO ANYTHING THEY CAN TO EAT.THEY NEED TO GET A GREEN CARD, AND STARVE LEGALLY.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: Cuppycake on May 05, 2010, 01:11:25 pm
immagrants need help also this is america land of the free

No. It has to have a stopping point. Enough is enough.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: dreamyxo on May 05, 2010, 01:14:19 pm
I'm not against anyone moving anywhere they want as long as they do it legally and don't come here to become a drain on system.  If you want citizenship follow the rules it's that's simple.  
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: Cuppycake on May 05, 2010, 01:15:16 pm
wow I don't even know what to say.  I came to this country illegaly when I was 15.  It was not my decision but my dads, I didn't want to come nor did my sister who was 13, we simply had no choice.  This was more than 22years ago.  At first the language barrier, the diversity of people, the customs was overwhelming and we just wanted to go back, we even tried running away but couldn't get far.  As the days, weeks, months and years went by this became our home. Neither my sister or I have papers yet, its complicated.  It is sad to hear that some people think so little of us immigrants.  Althought I may not be legal, I have always work hard, I have health insurance, I have owned and paid several cars, I am in the process of buying a house.  I have ok credit and don't owe anyone.  I tried to follow the law and try to keep out of trouble.  Most people know of my legal status, I am no ashamed of being an illegal immigrant, but they also know of my integrity.  Being illegal doesn't mean that we are criminals, I would never shoot anyone unless I had a life threatening reason and even then I think I would have a problem.  For anyone to say just shoot as they come accross sounds to me like your saying "use this as an excuse an go trigger happy". That just sounds wrong.

I don't even know what to say....

YES actually is DOES mean you are a criminal as BEING here is AGAINST the law! WTF part of ILLEGAL do you not understand?



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Everyone deserves a chance huh? So lets open the borders and allow Afgan/Iraq to come on over. Some of them might actually decide not to blow us up. And as far as the AZ law I support it. The Mexicans who have problems with it probably have a family member in America who is here illegaly. I don't see the big deal about carrying around a piece of paper. They did it to themselves....


AMEN !
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: mynevaeh on May 05, 2010, 08:01:17 pm
I believe that people should be able to find a way into the United States legally. The new law in Arizona is crazy.

Freepcmoney, why do you think that people trying to find a good life should be killed? I could understand if they come to the US to commit crimes, but MOST of the time, they come here just to work.  I don't see a problem with deporting them if they commit crimes, but at least give people a chance.
I agree with you 100% I do not feel that there is really any need to have to kill people.  What exactly are we tring to prove by killing people? Especially since the majority of the time they are trying to save their lives and the lives of their children by coming to America. I know some people that were illegal immigrants and I find it very sad.  Although, it may be against the law I still find that some are are GENUINELY trying to find a better way of living to help support their families.  So really what is the harm in that?  Yes some countries are trying to hurt America but we are also hurting ourselves.  With all of the crime going on in America alot of it is americans themselves.  Not all of the people in jail are illegal immigrants but Americans themselves!!!  So sorry to say but we are not perfect, we were just fortunate enough to be born here!!!
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: Eclipse98RS on May 06, 2010, 11:34:22 pm
wow... no actually I applied pretty much just like you did... my social is mine, my dl is mine... fortunatelly for me neither one of you runs this country, there is still laws that protects us.  Funny thing is that people from my country are never in the news about committing crimes.  If you watch the news closely majority of the people there are affluent people.  People who went to school, people who were trained in fields in which they have access to anything.  Not to stereo type but my people are hards workers, we all have jobs, hell my brother is a recruiter for the marines, yes he is serving this great country.  My oldest son wants to also be a marine, my seven 7year wants to be president as you can see we are not here for anything else but to make it just like you.  Yes I may not be legal but just like you, I pay taxes, I am not on government assistance as I believe that as I long as I am able I will work for what I want.  As for ICE they already know about me. lol... so calling them won't do you any good.  ;)
If you pay taxes, work, your brother is a recruit for the marines, you are not on govt assistance than you deserve to be a US citizen. The only people that should not be allowed to come here are the ones who, don't work, don't pay taxes, don't contribute to the U.S. at all, and live off the government.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: debraleesparks on May 06, 2010, 11:51:06 pm
wow... no actually I applied pretty much just like you did... my social is mine, my dl is mine... fortunatelly for me neither one of you runs this country, there is still laws that protects us.  Funny thing is that people from my country are never in the news about committing crimes.  If you watch the news closely majority of the people there are affluent people.  People who went to school, people who were trained in fields in which they have access to anything.  Not to stereo type but my people are hards workers, we all have jobs, hell my brother is a recruiter for the marines, yes he is serving this great country.  My oldest son wants to also be a marine, my seven 7year wants to be president as you can see we are not here for anything else but to make it just like you.  Yes I may not be legal but just like you, I pay taxes, I am not on government assistance as I believe that as I long as I am able I will work for what I want.  As for ICE they already know about me. lol... so calling them won't do you any good.  ;)
If you pay taxes, work, your brother is a recruit for the marines, you are not on govt assistance than you deserve to be a US citizen. The only people that should not be allowed to come here are the ones who, don't work, don't pay taxes, don't contribute to the U.S. at all, and live off the government.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:  I agree!! she is legal, but she doesn't realize it. If she got her s.s. card legally, and she has a child who was born here, she is legal.. We need to keep out the leeches, and terrorists.If she stoll someones s.s. number, then she is a criminal who needs to go to prison, but by the way she talks, I believe she is here legally.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: freepcmoney on May 07, 2010, 02:44:41 am
I believe that people should be able to find a way into the United States legally. The new law in Arizona is crazy.

Freepcmoney, why do you think that people trying to find a good life should be killed? I could understand if they come to the US to commit crimes, but MOST of the time, they come here just to work.  I don't see a problem with deporting them if they commit crimes, but at least give people a chance.
I agree with you 100% I do not feel that there is really any need to have to kill people.  What exactly are we tring to prove by killing people? Especially since the majority of the time they are trying to save their lives and the lives of their children by coming to America. I know some people that were illegal immigrants and I find it very sad.  Although, it may be against the law I still find that some are are GENUINELY trying to find a better way of living to help support their families.  So really what is the harm in that?  Yes some countries are trying to hurt America but we are also hurting ourselves.  With all of the crime going on in America alot of it is americans themselves.  Not all of the people in jail are illegal immigrants but Americans themselves!!!  So sorry to say but we are not perfect, we were just fortunate enough to be born here!!!

I said that to solve the problem of  ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION-----The FIRST thing that must be done is to solve the CAUSE of the PROBLEM.------The PRIMARY cause of the problem is people coming across the border between Mexico and the USA. ( Eventhough a few illegals do come in through other means.) How do you stop illegals from committing the CRIME of crossing the border ILLEGALLY???  We could build a fence that would take a long time, BUTT it NEEDS to be done. BUTT while we are waiting on that-----Put the National Guard on the Mexican/USA Border and order them to shoot anyone coming across who does not pass through customs.

DO you people NOT UNDERSTAND that it is a CRIME, It is AGAINST the laws of this GREAT COUNTRY to cross that border illegally?? You are a criminal. If you are shot while crossing, then you are shot in act of committing a crime........We are a nation of laws. After the first one or two were shot, there would not be anymore. The others would GET THE DAMMED MESSAGE AND STAY IN MEXICO. PROBLEM OF ILLEGAL BORDER CROSSING WOULD BE SOLVED!!!!

But NOT TO WORRY----Nobody in Washington DC has enough nuts to kill a fly. They would have to get a committee to study it....

The reason that you are coming here does not negate the LAW. The law is the law
An example-----If you had a loved one who was old and very ill and wanted to die to get out of their pain and misery, and begged you to help them. You gave them an overdose of drugs to help them and they died. YOU ARE GUILTY OF MURDER. The law is the law. Your reaon for breaking it does not change anything,.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: ronie_23 on May 13, 2010, 11:16:21 am
There is a passage in the bible that says " if you are free of sin, throw the 1st stone".  Even the president of the United States has never been able to say, he has never braking the law.  If I am braking the law by staying here illegaly, I am paying a lot of money on social security, taxes, medicaid, attorneys fees, immigration fees... Being here illegaly is costly, but since I do have a job and as anyone else here is not just that I have to pay all this but it is also my duty.  My kids will someday serve this country, they all want to grow up and join the marines just like my brother.  See unfortunatelly there is a lot of us, that have been here for years but because of immagration reforms that ultimatelly leave us out of every opportunity we have not been able to get our papers.  Yes I have my own Social and Driver's license, see years ago immigrants were able to get papers, I got mine when I was in high school but they are only to ID who I am, not to say I am legal.  I am still going thru the court motions but it takes years.. You would have to be in my shoes to know how it feels.. But either way, you can say pretty much anything but unless you are any of us, you simply don't know what you are talking about.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: vonche79 on May 15, 2010, 11:50:05 am
I think illegal immigration is something this country needs to get under control. The unique thing about the US's problem compared to that of other countries is that the US shares a large and hard to patrol border with a country that is much worse off.
I understand that illegal immigrants come to the US because they want a better life, but that is why everyone came here, and not everyone did it illegally and made themselves a burden to legal citizens.
While I think the measures taken in Arizona are harsh, I understand what they wanted to achieve and fully agree. Sometimes unfavorable things need to be done to fix a problem.
i think that if immigrats want to come to united states then they need to go thru a year worth of classes to understand our way of living and pass a test in order to get certified to live in the united states
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: sigmapi1501 on May 15, 2010, 12:46:13 pm
Freedom ISN'T free........   it costs a buck o' Five.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: Road4Kill on May 15, 2010, 01:33:37 pm
Freedom ISN'T free........   it costs a buck o' Five.
lol epic. Team America ftw   8)
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: muush88 on May 15, 2010, 05:11:27 pm
Shoot anybody that crosses the border illegaly  WOW.  Makes me proud to be an American.  I think id much rather have an illegal as a neighbor than an american that thinks like this.  

And good thinking making an 18 year old kid in the National Guard to do the shooting for you. Wouldnt want it to be on your conscience.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: Zele on May 19, 2010, 05:47:39 pm
I agree they are illegal is because they don't pay taxes and they use our taxes for medicine and stuff
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: mynevaeh on May 19, 2010, 06:17:52 pm
There is a passage in the bible that says " if you are free of sin, throw the 1st stone".  Even the president of the United States has never been able to say, he has never braking the law.  If I am braking the law by staying here illegaly, I am paying a lot of money on social security, taxes, medicaid, attorneys fees, immigration fees... Being here illegaly is costly, but since I do have a job and as anyone else here is not just that I have to pay all this but it is also my duty.  My kids will someday serve this country, they all want to grow up and join the marines just like my brother.  See unfortunatelly there is a lot of us, that have been here for years but because of immagration reforms that ultimatelly leave us out of every opportunity we have not been able to get our papers.  Yes I have my own Social and Driver's license, see years ago immigrants were able to get papers, I got mine when I was in high school but they are only to ID who I am, not to say I am legal.  I am still going thru the court motions but it takes years.. You would have to be in my shoes to know how it feels.. But either way, you can say pretty much anything but unless you are any of us, you simply don't know what you are talking about.

I completely understand where you are coming from.  My ex-fiance was here illegally and we met him in high school.  He was here under a visa but it expired and his mother did not have the money to pay for it.  Like you mentioned earlier it takes a very long process to become legalized.  But unfortunately my ex was deported back to venezuela all for something that he did not even do. They were really modest people and I miss them very much.  I myself am an American citizen and do not completely agree with the way this country works. 
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: Cuppycake on May 20, 2010, 02:39:50 pm
LEGAL IMMIGRANTS yes. ILLEGAL HELL MFING NO!



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Barack Hussein Obama II  has committed treason for allowing his illegal alien aunt to be in this country living on public assistance for 8 YEARS!

ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION = FOREIGN INVASION!
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT = ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES


 "whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."

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Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: Cuppycake on May 20, 2010, 02:48:38 pm
wow I don't even know what to say.  I came to this country illegaly when I was 15.  It was not my decision but my dads, I didn't want to come nor did my sister who was 13, we simply had no choice.  This was more than 22years ago.  At first the language barrier, the diversity of people, the customs was overwhelming and we just wanted to go back, we even tried running away but couldn't get far.  As the days, weeks, months and years went by this became our home. Neither my sister or I have papers yet, its complicated.  It is sad to hear that some people think so little of us immigrants.  Althought I may not be legal, I have always work hard, I have health insurance, I have owned and paid several cars, I am in the process of buying a house.  I have ok credit and don't owe anyone.  I tried to follow the law and try to keep out of trouble.  Most people know of my legal status, I am no ashamed of being an illegal immigrant, but they also know of my integrity.  Being illegal doesn't mean that we are criminals, I would never shoot anyone unless I had a life threatening reason and even then I think I would have a problem.  For anyone to say just shoot as they come accross sounds to me like your saying "use this as an excuse an go trigger happy". That just sounds wrong.

I don't even know what to say....

If you are here ILLEGALLY YOU ARE THE ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES! GTFO!
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: muush88 on May 20, 2010, 03:57:23 pm


If you are here ILLEGALLY YOU ARE THE ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES! GTFO!
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Having an aunt here illegally is treason?   :BangHead:   Times square bomber U.S. citizenship, some of his accomplices U.S. citizenship  Timothy Mcvey citizen US Army Veteran,  Sept 11 2001 suicide bombers most or all were here legally. learning how to use our infrastucture against us. So its ok to kill as many americans as you can if you have the correct paperwork.  But to hell with anybody who picks fruit or vegetables or works in the backstretch of any racetrack in america. we complain about they take all the jobs away from us but we dont want to do them anyway.

Treason, sedition mean disloyalty or treachery to one's country or its government. Treason is any attempt to overthrow the government or impair the well-being of a state to which one owes allegiance; the crime of giving aid or comfort to the enemies of one's government.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: sands01 on May 20, 2010, 05:20:46 pm
I think if the immigrants come here the right way, to be legal, it is ok, BUT when they come here illegally and take our jobs, there needs to be something done. We have a lot of Americans here that don't have jobs, and we need to support our legal citizens FIRST. It is ridiculous that illegal immigrants can come here and find a job when Americans on the street cannot. Something needs to be done about that. I don't know how, but it has to be done before everyone who is here legally lose all their jobs because of illegal immigrants.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: irishlady1970 on May 20, 2010, 07:37:41 pm
Illegal immigration is indeed a very hot topic and a topic that causes anger and hate to erupt in many people. Sometimes I catch myself saying something bad about illegal immigrants, but then I take a step back and look at things from a different perspective. We are all in search of a better life in one form or another, just some people do by means of coming to this country illegally. Yes it is wrong and a crime, but people should not lose their lives because of it. The US needs to get up off their lazy asses and do something about it. Action gets things done, complaining about it gets us no where.
I am an immigrant who came to the US 17 years ago LEGALLY in search of a better life. I did everything in my power to make sure I did all the right things to become a citizen. I sacrificed to pay the fees for my applications and citizenship papers when I had very little money to spare. So if someone is here illegally and they want to stay here, they have no excuse.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: mayra88 on May 20, 2010, 08:35:41 pm
TO EVERYONE,

IF YOUR AMERICAN YOU WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL AND TOOK HISTORY, SO YOU HAVE TO KNOW ABOUT A PART OF AMERICA WAS ONCE MEXICO.
 
IF YOU THINK IMMIGRANTS SHOULD BE SHOT THEN... BECAUSE WE ARE ALL IMMIGRANTS IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

IF YOU THINK THAT IMMIGRANTS ARE TAKING JOBS FROM AMERICANS THEN YOU NEED TO LOOK FOR A JOB WHERE HARD WORK IS INVOLVED. THE THE FIRST THEY WOULD HIRE IS AMERICANS AND IF AN AMERICAN DOESN'T HIRE YOU IS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T SEE POTENTIAL IN YOU FOR THAT TYPE OF JOB. IMMIGRANTS ARE HARD WORKERS THAT ARE BRAVE ENOUGH TO APPLY FOR JOBS YOU GET YOUR HANDS DIRTY  IN WITCH MANY AMERICANS ARE NOT WILLING TO DO.

YES I THINK IMMIGRANTS SHOULD HAVE PAPERS TO BE IN AMERICA, BUT FIRST THEY NEED TO COME TO AMERICA IN ORDER TO APPLY TO BECOME A US CITIZENS AND TO BECOME A CITIZEN ITS NOT THAT EASY OR CHEEP.

EVERYONE WANTS TO COME TO AMERICA AND LIVE A BETTER LIFE AND THAT'S WHAT AMERICA OFFERS EVERYONE.

WHAT MAKES AMERICA TO BE WHAT IT IS, LAND OF THE FREE. ITS NOT JUST AMERICANS IS EVERYONE WHO LIVES IN AMERICA.

 :star: :peace:






Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: mochlead5 on May 20, 2010, 09:14:03 pm
U.S. Congressman, abolitionist, "Father of the 14th Amendment" John Bingham confirms the understanding & construction Founders/Framers used re birthright & jurisdiction in the House of Representatives March 9, 1866:
"I find no fault with the introductory clause which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States OF PARENTS NOT OWING ALLEGIANCE TO ANY FOREIGN SOVEREIGNTY is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.."

The individual currently ILLEGALLY inhabiting the Oval Office has declared himself to be the son of a NON-IMMIGRANT to the United States.  The father being nothing more than a visitor to this nation conferred his British/Kenyan citizenship upon his child, AT BIRTH THROUGH THE NATURAL LAW.
Article II's "Sunset Clause"  has long since lapsed into obsolescence  It "grandfathered" in/ exempted from the natural born citizen requirement all those who, at the time of the Constitution's adoption were citizens only- but NOT natural born citizens ; for they, like the current Usurper(not covered)were born subject to the jurisdiction of a foreign sovereignty & owed it allegiance
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: Cuppycake on May 21, 2010, 04:05:56 am

If you are here ILLEGALLY YOU ARE THE ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES! GTFO!

Having an aunt here illegally is treason?   :BangHead:   Times square bomber U.S. citizenship, some of his accomplices U.S. citizenship  Timothy Mcvey citizen US Army Veteran,  Sept 11 2001 suicide bombers most or all were here legally. learning how to use our infrastucture against us. So its ok to kill as many americans as you can if you have the correct paperwork.  But to hell with anybody who picks fruit or vegetables or works in the backstretch of any racetrack in america. we complain about they take all the jobs away from us but we dont want to do them anyway.

Treason, sedition mean disloyalty or treachery to one's country or its government. Treason is any attempt to overthrow the government or impair the well-being of a state to which one owes allegiance; the crime of giving aid or comfort to the enemies of one's government.
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YES KNOWINGLY allowing his ILLEGAL ALIEN AUNT to live in this country on public assistance while claiming allegiance to the United States of America IS TREASON!  Treason is giving aid and comfort (public assistance HELLO and allowing her to ILLEGALLY be here) to an enemy of the USA. ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE FOREIGN INVADERS! Wake up and smell the fing tacos !
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: Cuppycake on May 21, 2010, 04:07:11 am
TO EVERYONE,

IF YOUR AMERICAN YOU WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL AND TOOK HISTORY, SO YOU HAVE TO KNOW ABOUT A PART OF AMERICA WAS ONCE MEXICO.
 
IF YOU THINK IMMIGRANTS SHOULD BE SHOT THEN... BECAUSE WE ARE ALL IMMIGRANTS IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

IF YOU THINK THAT IMMIGRANTS ARE TAKING JOBS FROM AMERICANS THEN YOU NEED TO LOOK FOR A JOB WHERE HARD WORK IS INVOLVED. THE THE FIRST THEY WOULD HIRE IS AMERICANS AND IF AN AMERICAN DOESN'T HIRE YOU IS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T SEE POTENTIAL IN YOU FOR THAT TYPE OF JOB. IMMIGRANTS ARE HARD WORKERS THAT ARE BRAVE ENOUGH TO APPLY FOR JOBS YOU GET YOUR HANDS DIRTY  IN WITCH MANY AMERICANS ARE NOT WILLING TO DO.

YES I THINK IMMIGRANTS SHOULD HAVE PAPERS TO BE IN AMERICA, BUT FIRST THEY NEED TO COME TO AMERICA IN ORDER TO APPLY TO BECOME A US CITIZENS AND TO BECOME A CITIZEN ITS NOT THAT EASY OR CHEEP.

EVERYONE WANTS TO COME TO AMERICA AND LIVE A BETTER LIFE AND THAT'S WHAT AMERICA OFFERS EVERYONE.

WHAT MAKES AMERICA TO BE WHAT IT IS, LAND OF THE FREE. ITS NOT JUST AMERICANS IS EVERYONE WHO LIVES IN AMERICA.

 :star: :peace:








Your post means nothing as the INVADERS are already here illegally!
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: Cuppycake on May 21, 2010, 04:08:23 am
Illegal immigration is indeed a very hot topic and a topic that causes anger and hate to erupt in many people. Sometimes I catch myself saying something bad about illegal immigrants, but then I take a step back and look at things from a different perspective. We are all in search of a better life in one form or another, just some people do by means of coming to this country illegally. Yes it is wrong and a crime, but people should not lose their lives because of it. The US needs to get up off their lazy asses and do something about it. Action gets things done, complaining about it gets us no where.
I am an immigrant who came to the US 17 years ago LEGALLY in search of a better life. I did everything in my power to make sure I did all the right things to become a citizen. I sacrificed to pay the fees for my applications and citizenship papers when I had very little money to spare. So if someone is here illegally and they want to stay here, they have no excuse.

INDEED!
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: username823 on May 21, 2010, 04:43:06 am
I hope you all know that the United States was created for people to immigrate away from their country's problems/religions/cultures etc. The only thing that bothers me about illegal immigrants is that they don't pay full taxes. If they were taxed completely then I wouldn't mind at all :D.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: bricksfell on May 21, 2010, 04:43:52 am
if you have the paperwork to be an american SO BE IT if not then get out
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: atvgirl1 on May 21, 2010, 04:55:42 am
I think if you are here legally and done the proper paperwork so be it but those that get her illegally and then get false social security card and take work away from everyone else is wrong.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: mangomiata on May 21, 2010, 05:42:52 am
I have to agree with everyone on this topic.  We, as Americans, are paying too much to programs that support illegals and we cannot continue to do so.  They need to return to their country or become citizens and pay into the very programs that they drain.  I believe that all people should have a great life and seek it out for their families and friends but it must be done in a legal fashion.

Sandy
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: Cuppycake on May 22, 2010, 04:15:12 pm
I hope you all know that the United States was created for people to immigrate away from their country's problems/religions/cultures etc. The only thing that bothers me about illegal immigrants is that they don't pay full taxes. If they were taxed completely then I wouldn't mind at all :D.
It isn't just about the taxes. They are flat out criminals. If they will do one criminal act there is no reason to think they won't do others. They DO NOT care about this country or anyone in it. They do not respect the laws of the land as the give their allegiance to the *bleep* hole they left behind.  Why anyone would claim to "love" mexico and be "so proud" of being mexican yet not want to live in the country they think is so freaking great is beyond me ...
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: florezitta10 on May 22, 2010, 04:54:26 pm
I hope you all know that the United States was created for people to immigrate away from their country's problems/religions/cultures etc. The only thing that bothers me about illegal immigrants is that they don't pay full taxes. If they were taxed completely then I wouldn't mind at all :D.
It isn't just about the taxes. They are flat out criminals. If they will do one criminal act there is no reason to think they won't do others. They DO NOT care about this country or anyone in it. They do not respect the laws of the land as the give their allegiance to the *bleep* hole they left behind.  Why anyone would claim to "love" mexico and be "so proud" of being mexican yet not want to live in the country they think is so freaking great is beyond me ...

I think everyone should be free to express how they feel but it really gets to me to see how much anger you have in you towards Mexicans I don't know what you have experienced in your life that makes you feel so strongly about Us But NOT all Immigrants are criminals even if they did come here Undocumented. Sorry if this offends you but I have seen soooo many of your comments and all of them are full of hate.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: Cuppycake on May 22, 2010, 05:09:46 pm
I hope you all know that the United States was created for people to immigrate away from their country's problems/religions/cultures etc. The only thing that bothers me about illegal immigrants is that they don't pay full taxes. If they were taxed completely then I wouldn't mind at all :D.
It isn't just about the taxes. They are flat out criminals. If they will do one criminal act there is no reason to think they won't do others. They DO NOT care about this country or anyone in it. They do not respect the laws of the land as the give their allegiance to the *bleep* hole they left behind.  Why anyone would claim to "love" mexico and be "so proud" of being mexican yet not want to live in the country they think is so freaking great is beyond me ...

I think everyone should be free to express how they feel but it really gets to me to see how much anger you have in you towards Mexicans I don't know what you have experienced in your life that makes you feel so strongly about Us But NOT all Immigrants are criminals even if they did come here Undocumented. Sorry if this offends you but I have seen soooo many of your comments and all of them are full of hate.

You know what if you are here ILLEGALLY then YES you are a criminal. I do not know what part of ILLEGAL you can't get through your thick skull.... And yeah I have had enough of the illegals and most of them are mexican. It is time for this country to be taken back by the REAL Americans. The ones that LEGALLY belong here immigrant or natural born need to stand up for what is RIGHT and make the ILLEGALS go back and try again!
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: muush88 on May 22, 2010, 05:35:56 pm
I hope you all know that the United States was created for people to immigrate away from their country's problems/religions/cultures etc. The only thing that bothers me about illegal immigrants is that they don't pay full taxes. If they were taxed completely then I wouldn't mind at all :D.
It isn't just about the taxes. They are flat out criminals. If they will do one criminal act there is no reason to think they won't do others. They DO NOT care about this country or anyone in it. They do not respect the laws of the land as the give their allegiance to the *bleep* hole they left behind.  Why anyone would claim to "love" mexico and be "so proud" of being mexican yet not want to live in the country they think is so freaking great is beyond me ...

You are full of hate. I dont think its just the illegal imigrants that bother you.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: florezitta10 on May 22, 2010, 05:37:44 pm
I hope you all know that the United States was created for people to immigrate away from their country's problems/religions/cultures etc. The only thing that bothers me about illegal immigrants is that they don't pay full taxes. If they were taxed completely then I wouldn't mind at all :D.
It isn't just about the taxes. They are flat out criminals. If they will do one criminal act there is no reason to think they won't do others. They DO NOT care about this country or anyone in it. They do not respect the laws of the land as the give their allegiance to the *bleep* hole they left behind.  Why anyone would claim to "love" mexico and be "so proud" of being mexican yet not want to live in the country they think is so freaking great is beyond me ...

You are full of hate. I dont think its just the illegal imigrants that bother you.

That's the feeling I get too. It makes me sad that she and other  people like her live their lives day after day feeling like that. It can't be good for your health to be so angry.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: lindamrut on May 22, 2010, 06:33:13 pm
Sorry, I don't see any anger issues here at all. These people are simply stating their opinions and reasons for thinking this way. Usually when someone is ignorant about the facts then they have to use "feelings". Everyone has the right to their point of view, but don't go classifying people w/o knowing all your facts, muush88.

As for this issue, our country was founded by legal immigrants including my family. These people are looking for a better way of life but there is a legal process. AZ adopted their version of the US law that the government does not uphold.

Here is a clip from CNN interview of Mexican President Calderon:

BLITZER: So in other words, if somebody sneaks in from Nicaragua or some other country in Central America, through the southern border of Mexico, they wind up in Mexico, they can go get a job...

CALDERON: No, no.

BLITZER: They can work.

CALDERON: If -- if somebody do that without permission, we send back -- we send back them.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: Cuppycake on May 22, 2010, 10:01:36 pm
Sorry, I don't see any anger issues here at all. These people are simply stating their opinions and reasons for thinking this way. Usually when someone is ignorant about the facts then they have to use "feelings". Everyone has the right to their point of view, but don't go classifying people w/o knowing all your facts, muush88.

As for this issue, our country was founded by legal immigrants including my family. These people are looking for a better way of life but there is a legal process. AZ adopted their version of the US law that the government does not uphold.

Here is a clip from CNN interview of Mexican President Calderon:

BLITZER: So in other words, if somebody sneaks in from Nicaragua or some other country in Central America, through the southern border of Mexico, they wind up in Mexico, they can go get a job...

CALDERON: No, no.

BLITZER: They can work.

CALDERON: If -- if somebody do that without permission, we send back -- we send back them.

Thank you!

To the others that take issue with the FACTS: It angers me when people disagree with the law and try to bend it to their own will. The ones that do that either have illegal status themselves or someone they are related to someone that does. Yes I get angry that the people of this country have become such sheep that they sit back and don't think past their day to day life and see the things that are wrong and do something about it. I am NOT one of those sheep nor do I EVER intend to be. I prefer to stand up for what is right like the founding fathers did.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: muush88 on May 23, 2010, 04:16:15 am
Sorry, I don't see any anger issues here at all. These people are simply stating their opinions and reasons for thinking this way. Usually when someone is ignorant about the facts then they have to use "feelings". Everyone has the right to their point of view, but don't go classifying people w/o knowing all your facts, muush88.

As for this issue, our country was founded by legal immigrants including my family. These people are looking for a better way of life but there is a legal process. AZ adopted their version of the US law that the government does not uphold.

Here is a clip from CNN interview of Mexican President Calderon:

BLITZER: So in other words, if somebody sneaks in from Nicaragua or some other country in Central America, through the southern border of Mexico, they wind up in Mexico, they can go get a job...

CALDERON: No, no.

BLITZER: They can work.

CALDERON: If -- if somebody do that without permission, we send back -- we send back them.


I see No prolem with sending anybody back to thier country if they are here illegaly. That is the law. but to refer to everyone as criminals or assume coz they are here illegally and already have broken the law that they will continue to be criminals, is absurd, To shoot them as they cross the border is absurd,   I didnt classify anyone  i just commented on what i thought when i read the posts.I called it as i saw it. Im not entitled to think that way? I did my military service for this country and i think this is the greatest country there is and ive been to many other countries. As for the Calderon  quote, we send them back too if they get caught.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: chevychick1983 on May 23, 2010, 08:31:41 am
I fully support the new AZ Immigration Law. I'm hoping my state passes it next.

If they are here illegally, then they should leave. We have so many Americans out of work, and most illegals are being hired to do their jobs because they'll work cheaper because they don't pay taxes. It saddens me.

Here's a way that you can fight back as a citizen...make sure that your state has an E-Verify system in place, and don't buy from any company unless they use E-Verify to check to see if their workers are legal citizens before hiring them. So, Google "E-Verify" and check it out. You can also read more about E-Verify on the NumbersUSA website.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: yaitza0325 on May 23, 2010, 09:19:17 am
no other state is going to pass that law simply because it violates not only the right of immigrants but also citizens just in case you have not read the law if you are caught with an immigrant you will go to jail too, for those who dont like immigrants I think they should move to another country because we are not going anywhere . they wouldn't be here if they didnt have to, do you think is easy to cross the border and leave your family your children behind just to make a better life for them ,do you think is fair to separate  a mother and her child, I'm pretty sure is not . I was born an american citizen but I am also an immigrant so before you start judging people imagine your self in there situation ,and feel bless that you were born here and dont use your position to judge and feel entitled . I fully agree that people that immigrate here and are criminals and dont change they should be sent back but honest people that come here to work they should stay here ,that is why we need a migratory reform that actually works and let me add something else they would pay taxes if this country  would make it easier to become legal citizens they dont pay taxes because they have no other choice ,and please dont say that they take our jobs and do it for less that the minimum like they do it in purpose ,the companiest that hire them   take advantage because they are immigrants . so people please its time to open our eyes and start seeing things with all the facts not just base on just racist opinions 






























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Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: mynevaeh on May 23, 2010, 09:51:26 am
I believe that people should be able to find a way into the United States legally. The new law in Arizona is crazy.

Freepcmoney, why do you think that people trying to find a good life should be killed? I could understand if they come to the US to commit crimes, but MOST of the time, they come here just to work.  I don't see a problem with deporting them if they commit crimes, but at least give people a chance.
I agree with you 100% I do not feel that there is really any need to have to kill people.  What exactly are we tring to prove by killing people? Especially since the majority of the time they are trying to save their lives and the lives of their children by coming to America. I know some people that were illegal immigrants and I find it very sad.  Although, it may be against the law I still find that some are are GENUINELY trying to find a better way of living to help support their families.  So really what is the harm in that?  Yes some countries are trying to hurt America but we are also hurting ourselves.  With all of the crime going on in America alot of it is americans themselves.  Not all of the people in jail are illegal immigrants but Americans themselves!!!  So sorry to say but we are not perfect, we were just fortunate enough to be born here!!!

I said that to solve the problem of  ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION-----The FIRST thing that must be done is to solve the CAUSE of the PROBLEM.------The PRIMARY cause of the problem is people coming across the border between Mexico and the USA. ( Eventhough a few illegals do come in through other means.) How do you stop illegals from committing the CRIME of crossing the border ILLEGALLY???  We could build a fence that would take a long time, BUTT it NEEDS to be done. BUTT while we are waiting on that-----Put the National Guard on the Mexican/USA Border and order them to shoot anyone coming across who does not pass through customs.

DO you people NOT UNDERSTAND that it is a CRIME, It is AGAINST the laws of this GREAT COUNTRY to cross that border illegally?? You are a criminal. If you are shot while crossing, then you are shot in act of committing a crime........We are a nation of laws. After the first one or two were shot, there would not be anymore. The others would GET THE DAMMED MESSAGE AND STAY IN MEXICO. PROBLEM OF ILLEGAL BORDER CROSSING WOULD BE SOLVED!!!!

But NOT TO WORRY----Nobody in Washington DC has enough nuts to kill a fly. They would have to get a committee to study it....

The reason that you are coming here does not negate the LAW. The law is the law
An example-----If you had a loved one who was old and very ill and wanted to die to get out of their pain and misery, and begged you to help them. You gave them an overdose of drugs to help them and they died. YOU ARE GUILTY OF MURDER. The law is the law. Your reaon for breaking it does not change anything,.
I never said that it wasn't a crime, I simply stated that I do not agree with it.  What did you not understand about my post? That is my oppinion, and regardless of how I feel it will not change all of the hatred agenst the immigrants. 
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: ppv2 on May 23, 2010, 10:50:55 am
Immigrants who follow the process should be allowed to come to the US legally.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: muush88 on May 23, 2010, 11:11:11 am

If you are here ILLEGALLY YOU ARE THE ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES! GTFO!

Having an aunt here illegally is treason?   :BangHead:   Times square bomber U.S. citizenship, some of his accomplices U.S. citizenship  Timothy Mcvey citizen US Army Veteran,  Sept 11 2001 suicide bombers most or all were here legally. learning how to use our infrastucture against us. So its ok to kill as many americans as you can if you have the correct paperwork.  But to hell with anybody who picks fruit or vegetables or works in the backstretch of any racetrack in america. we complain about they take all the jobs away from us but we dont want to do them anyway.

Treason, sedition mean disloyalty or treachery to one's country or its government. Treason is any attempt to overthrow the government or impair the well-being of a state to which one owes allegiance; the crime of giving aid or comfort to the enemies of one's government.



YES KNOWINGLY allowing his ILLEGAL ALIEN AUNT to live in this country on public assistance while claiming allegiance to the United States of America IS TREASON!  Treason is giving aid and comfort (public assistance HELLO and allowing her to ILLEGALLY be here) to an enemy of the USA. ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE FOREIGN INVADERS! Wake up and smell the fing tacos !
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You got this off a facebook page? Read the laws of massachussets on public housing. Dont you think if anyone besides a facebook page of propaganda peddlers would go after obama if this was treason? this made me chuckle "all the news thats fit to print"  FACEBOOK      Wake up and smell fing reality   Oh and it was George Bush who told ICE not to go after the aunt and other illegals.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: lucky382001 on May 23, 2010, 12:00:25 pm
I fully support the new AZ Immigration Law. I'm hoping my state passes it next.

If they are here illegally, then they should leave. We have so many Americans out of work, and most illegals are being hired to do their jobs because they'll work cheaper because they don't pay taxes. It saddens me.

Here's a way that you can fight back as a citizen...make sure that your state has an E-Verify system in place, and don't buy from any company unless they use E-Verify to check to see if their workers are legal citizens before hiring them. So, Google "E-Verify" and check it out. You can also read more about E-Verify on the NumbersUSA website.

Great one more way that our government is taking care of us.  ::)
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: lucky382001 on May 23, 2010, 12:07:56 pm
Sorry, I don't see any anger issues here at all. These people are simply stating their opinions and reasons for thinking this way. Usually when someone is ignorant about the facts then they have to use "feelings". Everyone has the right to their point of view, but don't go classifying people w/o knowing all your facts, muush88.

As for this issue, our country was founded by legal immigrants including my family. These people are looking for a better way of life but there is a legal process. AZ adopted their version of the US law that the government does not uphold.

Here is a clip from CNN interview of Mexican President Calderon:

BLITZER: So in other words, if somebody sneaks in from Nicaragua or some other country in Central America, through the southern border of Mexico, they wind up in Mexico, they can go get a job...

CALDERON: No, no.

BLITZER: They can work.

CALDERON: If -- if somebody do that without permission, we send back -- we send back them.


Seems to be standard procedure.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: Cuppycake on May 23, 2010, 11:08:45 pm
no other state is going to pass that law simply because it violates not only the right of immigrants but also citizens just in case you have not read the law if you are caught with an immigrant you will go to jail too, for those who dont like immigrants I think they should move to another country because we are not going anywhere . they wouldn't be here if they didnt have to, do you think is easy to cross the border and leave your family your children behind just to make a better life for them ,do you think is fair to separate  a mother and her child, I'm pretty sure is not . I was born an american citizen but I am also an immigrant so before you start judging people imagine your self in there situation ,and feel bless that you were born here and dont use your position to judge and feel entitled . I fully agree that people that immigrate here and are criminals and dont change they should be sent back but honest people that come here to work they should stay here ,that is why we need a migratory reform that actually works and let me add something else they would pay taxes if this country  would make it easier to become legal citizens they dont pay taxes because they have no other choice ,and please dont say that they take our jobs and do it for less that the minimum like they do it in purpose ,the companiest that hire them   take advantage because they are immigrants . so people please its time to open our eyes and start seeing things with all the facts not just base on just racist opinions 








































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Again I say read  law before slamming it . You are making unfounded BS claims about it. :bs: :bs: :bs:
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: Cuppycake on May 23, 2010, 11:15:57 pm
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1 Be it enacted by the Legislature of the State of Arizona:
2 Section 1. Intent
3 The legislature finds that there is a compelling interest in the
4 cooperative enforcement of federal immigration laws throughout all of
5 Arizona. The legislature declares that the intent of this act is to make
6 attrition through enforcement the public policy of all state and local
7 government agencies in Arizona. The provisions of this act are intended to
8 work together to discourage and deter the unlawful entry and presence of
9 aliens and economic activity by persons unlawfully present in the United
10 States.
11 Sec. 2. Title 11, chapter 7, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended by
12 adding article 8, to read:
13 ARTICLE 8. ENFORCEMENT OF IMMIGRATION LAWS
14 11-1051. Cooperation and assistance in enforcement of
15 immigration laws; indemnification
16 A. NO OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR
17 OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE MAY ADOPT A POLICY THAT LIMITS OR
18 RESTRICTS THE ENFORCEMENT OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS TO LESS THAN THE FULL
19 EXTENT PERMITTED BY FEDERAL LAW.
20 B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY
21 OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS
22 STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
23 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE,
24 WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE
25 PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
26 PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).
27 C. IF AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IS
28 CONVICTED OF A VIOLATION OF STATE OR LOCAL LAW, ON DISCHARGE FROM
29 IMPRISONMENT OR ASSESSMENT OF ANY FINE THAT IS IMPOSED, THE ALIEN SHALL BE
30 TRANSFERRED IMMEDIATELY TO THE CUSTODY OF THE UNITED STATES IMMIGRATION AND
31 CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT OR THE UNITED STATES CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION.
32 D. NOTWITHSTANDING ANY OTHER LAW, A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY MAY
33 SECURELY TRANSPORT AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES
34 AND WHO IS IN THE AGENCY'S CUSTODY TO A FEDERAL FACILITY IN THIS STATE OR TO
35 ANY OTHER POINT OF TRANSFER INTO FEDERAL CUSTODY THAT IS OUTSIDE THE
36 JURISDICTION OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.
37 E. A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WITHOUT A WARRANT, MAY ARREST A PERSON
38 IF THE OFFICER HAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE PERSON HAS COMMITTED
39 ANY PUBLIC OFFENSE THAT MAKES THE PERSON REMOVABLE FROM THE UNITED STATES.
40 F. EXCEPT AS PROVIDED IN FEDERAL LAW, OFFICIALS OR AGENCIES OF THIS
41 STATE AND COUNTIES, CITIES, TOWNS AND OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS OF THIS
42 STATE MAY NOT BE PROHIBITED OR IN ANY WAY BE RESTRICTED FROM SENDING,
43 RECEIVING OR MAINTAINING INFORMATION RELATING TO THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF
44 ANY INDIVIDUAL OR EXCHANGING THAT INFORMATION WITH ANY OTHER FEDERAL, STATE
45 OR LOCAL GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY FOR THE FOLLOWING OFFICIAL PURPOSES:
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1 1. DETERMINING ELIGIBILITY FOR ANY PUBLIC BENEFIT, SERVICE OR LICENSE
2 PROVIDED BY ANY FEDERAL, STATE, LOCAL OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS
3 STATE.
4 2. VERIFYING ANY CLAIM OF RESIDENCE OR DOMICILE IF DETERMINATION OF
5 RESIDENCE OR DOMICILE IS REQUIRED UNDER THE LAWS OF THIS STATE OR A JUDICIAL
6 ORDER ISSUED PURSUANT TO A CIVIL OR CRIMINAL PROCEEDING IN THIS STATE.
7 3. CONFIRMING THE IDENTITY OF ANY PERSON WHO IS DETAINED.
8 4. IF THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN, DETERMINING WHETHER THE PERSON IS IN
9 COMPLIANCE WITH THE FEDERAL REGISTRATION LAWS PRESCRIBED BY TITLE II, CHAPTER
10 7 OF THE FEDERAL IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY ACT.
11 G. A PERSON MAY BRING AN ACTION IN SUPERIOR COURT TO CHALLENGE ANY
12 OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL
13 SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE THAT ADOPTS OR IMPLEMENTS A POLICY THAT LIMITS OR
14 RESTRICTS THE ENFORCEMENT OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS TO LESS THAN THE FULL
15 EXTENT PERMITTED BY FEDERAL LAW. IF THERE IS A JUDICIAL FINDING THAT AN
16 ENTITY HAS VIOLATED THIS SECTION, THE COURT SHALL ORDER ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:
17 1. THAT THE PERSON WHO BROUGHT THE ACTION RECOVER COURT COSTS AND
18 ATTORNEY FEES.
19 2. THAT THE ENTITY PAY A CIVIL PENALTY OF NOT LESS THAN ONE THOUSAND
20 DOLLARS AND NOT MORE THAN FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR EACH DAY THAT THE POLICY
21 HAS REMAINED IN EFFECT AFTER THE FILING OF AN ACTION PURSUANT TO THIS
22 SUBSECTION.
23 H. A COURT SHALL COLLECT THE CIVIL PENALTY PRESCRIBED IN SUBSECTION G
24 AND REMIT THE CIVIL PENALTY TO THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY FOR DEPOSIT IN
25 THE GANG AND IMMIGRATION INTELLIGENCE TEAM ENFORCEMENT MISSION FUND
26 ESTABLISHED BY SECTION 41-1724.
27 I. A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IS INDEMNIFIED BY THE LAW ENFORCEMENT
28 OFFICER'S AGENCY AGAINST REASONABLE COSTS AND EXPENSES, INCLUDING ATTORNEY
29 FEES, INCURRED BY THE OFFICER IN CONNECTION WITH ANY ACTION, SUIT OR
30 PROCEEDING BROUGHT PURSUANT TO THIS SECTION TO WHICH THE OFFICER MAY BE A
31 PARTY BY REASON OF THE OFFICER BEING OR HAVING BEEN A MEMBER OF THE LAW
32 ENFORCEMENT AGENCY, EXCEPT IN RELATION TO MATTERS IN WHICH THE OFFICER IS
33 ADJUDGED TO HAVE ACTED IN BAD FAITH.
34 J. THIS SECTION SHALL BE IMPLEMENTED IN A MANNER CONSISTENT WITH
35 FEDERAL LAWS REGULATING IMMIGRATION, PROTECTING THE CIVIL RIGHTS OF ALL
36 PERSONS AND RESPECTING THE PRIVILEGES AND IMMUNITIES OF UNITED STATES
37 CITIZENS.
38 Sec. 3. Title 13, chapter 15, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended by
39 adding section 13-1509, to read:
40 13-1509. Trespassing by illegal aliens; assessment; exception;
41 classification
42 A. IN ADDITION TO ANY VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW, A PERSON IS GUILTY OF
43 TRESPASSING IF THE PERSON IS BOTH:
44 1. PRESENT ON ANY PUBLIC OR PRIVATE LAND IN THIS STATE.
45 2. IN VIOLATION OF 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1304(e) OR 1306(a).
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: Cuppycake on May 23, 2010, 11:16:57 pm
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1 B. IN THE ENFORCEMENT OF THIS SECTION, THE FINAL DETERMINATION OF AN
2 ALIEN'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE DETERMINED BY EITHER:
3 1. A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WHO IS AUTHORIZED BY THE FEDERAL
4 GOVERNMENT TO VERIFY OR ASCERTAIN AN ALIEN'S IMMIGRATION STATUS.
5 2. A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR AGENCY COMMUNICATING WITH THE UNITED
6 STATES IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT OR THE UNITED STATES BORDER
7 PROTECTION PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).
8 C. A PERSON WHO IS SENTENCED PURSUANT TO THIS SECTION IS NOT ELIGIBLE
9 FOR SUSPENSION OR COMMUTATION OF SENTENCE OR RELEASE ON ANY BASIS UNTIL THE
10 SENTENCE IMPOSED IS SERVED.
11 D. IN ADDITION TO ANY OTHER PENALTY PRESCRIBED BY LAW, THE COURT SHALL
12 ORDER THE PERSON TO PAY JAIL COSTS AND AN ADDITIONAL ASSESSMENT IN THE
13 FOLLOWING AMOUNTS:
14 1. AT LEAST FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR A FIRST VIOLATION.
15 2. TWICE THE AMOUNT SPECIFIED IN PARAGRAPH 1 OF THIS SUBSECTION IF THE
16 PERSON WAS PREVIOUSLY SUBJECT TO AN ASSESSMENT PURSUANT TO THIS SUBSECTION.
17 E. A COURT SHALL COLLECT THE ASSESSMENTS PRESCRIBED IN SUBSECTION D OF
18 THIS SECTION AND REMIT THE ASSESSMENTS TO THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY,
19 WHICH SHALL ESTABLISH A SPECIAL SUBACCOUNT FOR THE MONIES IN THE ACCOUNT
20 ESTABLISHED FOR THE GANG AND IMMIGRATION INTELLIGENCE TEAM ENFORCEMENT
21 MISSION APPROPRIATION. MONIES IN THE SPECIAL SUBACCOUNT ARE SUBJECT TO
22 LEGISLATIVE APPROPRIATION FOR DISTRIBUTION FOR GANG AND IMMIGRATION
23 ENFORCEMENT AND FOR COUNTY JAIL REIMBURSEMENT COSTS RELATING TO ILLEGAL
24 IMMIGRATION.
25 F. THIS SECTION DOES NOT APPLY TO A PERSON WHO MAINTAINS AUTHORIZATION
26 FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO REMAIN IN THE UNITED STATES.
27 G. A VIOLATION OF THIS SECTION IS A CLASS 1 MISDEMEANOR, EXCEPT THAT A
28 VIOLATION OF THIS SECTION IS:
29 1. A CLASS 3 FELONY IF THE PERSON VIOLATES THIS SECTION WHILE IN
30 POSSESSION OF ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:
31 (a) A DANGEROUS DRUG AS DEFINED IN SECTION 13-3401.
32 (b) PRECURSOR CHEMICALS THAT ARE USED IN THE MANUFACTURING OF
33 METHAMPHETAMINE IN VIOLATION OF SECTION 13-3404.01.
34 (c) A DEADLY WEAPON OR A DANGEROUS INSTRUMENT, AS DEFINED IN SECTION
35 13-105.
36 (d) PROPERTY THAT IS USED FOR THE PURPOSE OF COMMITTING AN ACT OF
37 TERRORISM AS PRESCRIBED IN SECTION 13-2308.01.
38 2. A CLASS 4 FELONY IF THE PERSON EITHER:
39 (a) IS CONVICTED OF A SECOND OR SUBSEQUENT VIOLATION OF THIS SECTION.
40 (b) WITHIN SIXTY MONTHS BEFORE THE VIOLATION, HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM
41 THE UNITED STATES PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1229a OR HAS
42 ACCEPTED A VOLUNTARY REMOVAL FROM THE UNITED STATES PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED
43 STATES CODE SECTION 1229c.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: Cuppycake on May 23, 2010, 11:17:36 pm
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1 Sec. 4. Section 13-2319, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended to read:
2 13-2319. Smuggling; classification; definitions
3 A. It is unlawful for a person to intentionally engage in the
4 smuggling of human beings for profit or commercial purpose.
5 B. A violation of this section is a class 4 felony.
6 C. Notwithstanding subsection B of this section, a violation of this
7 section:
8 1. Is a class 2 felony if the human being who is smuggled is under
9 eighteen years of age and is not accompanied by a family member over eighteen
10 years of age or the offense involved the use of a deadly weapon or dangerous
11 instrument.
12 2. Is a class 3 felony if the offense involves the use or threatened
13 use of deadly physical force and the person is not eligible for suspension of
14 sentence, probation, pardon or release from confinement on any other basis
15 except pursuant to section 31-233, subsection A or B until the sentence
16 imposed by the court is served, the person is eligible for release pursuant
17 to section 41-1604.07 or the sentence is commuted.
18 D. Chapter 10 of this title does not apply to a violation of
19 subsection C, paragraph 1 of this section.
20 E. NOTWITHSTANDING ANY OTHER LAW, A PEACE OFFICER MAY LAWFULLY STOP
21 ANY PERSON WHO IS OPERATING A MOTOR VEHICLE IF THE OFFICER HAS REASONABLE
22 SUSPICION TO BELIEVE THE PERSON IS IN VIOLATION OF ANY CIVIL TRAFFIC LAW AND
23 THIS SECTION.
24 E. F. For the purposes of this section:
25 1. "Family member" means the person's parent, grandparent, sibling or
26 any other person who is related to the person by consanguinity or affinity to
27 the second degree.
28 2. "Procurement of transportation" means any participation in or
29 facilitation of transportation and includes:
30 (a) Providing services that facilitate transportation including travel
31 arrangement services or money transmission services.
32 (b) Providing property that facilitates transportation, including a
33 weapon, a vehicle or other means of transportation or false identification,
34 or selling, leasing, renting or otherwise making available a drop house as
35 defined in section 13-2322.
36 3. "Smuggling of human beings" means the transportation, procurement
37 of transportation or use of property or real property by a person or an
38 entity that knows or has reason to know that the person or persons
39 transported or to be transported are not United States citizens, permanent
40 resident aliens or persons otherwise lawfully in this state or have attempted
41 to enter, entered or remained in the United States in violation of law.
S.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: Cuppycake on May 23, 2010, 11:18:07 pm
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1 Sec. 5. Title 13, chapter 29, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended by
2 adding sections 13-2928 and 13-2929, to read:
3 13-2928. Unlawful stopping to hire and pick up passengers for
4 work; unlawful application, solicitation or
5 employment; classification; definitions
6 A. IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR AN OCCUPANT OF A MOTOR VEHICLE THAT IS STOPPED
7 ON A STREET, ROADWAY OR HIGHWAY TO ATTEMPT TO HIRE OR HIRE AND PICK UP
8 PASSENGERS FOR WORK AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION IF THE MOTOR VEHICLE BLOCKS OR
9 IMPEDES THE NORMAL MOVEMENT OF TRAFFIC.
10 B. IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR A PERSON TO ENTER A MOTOR VEHICLE THAT IS
11 STOPPED ON A STREET, ROADWAY OR HIGHWAY IN ORDER TO BE HIRED BY AN OCCUPANT
12 OF THE MOTOR VEHICLE AND TO BE TRANSPORTED TO WORK AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION IF
13 THE MOTOR VEHICLE BLOCKS OR IMPEDES THE NORMAL MOVEMENT OF TRAFFIC.
14 C. IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR A PERSON WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED
15 STATES AND WHO IS AN UNAUTHORIZED ALIEN TO KNOWINGLY APPLY FOR WORK, SOLICIT
16 WORK IN A PUBLIC PLACE OR PERFORM WORK AS AN EMPLOYEE OR INDEPENDENT
17 CONTRACTOR IN THIS STATE.
18 D. A VIOLATION OF THIS SECTION IS A CLASS 1 MISDEMEANOR.
19 E. FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS SECTION:
20 1. "SOLICIT" MEANS VERBAL OR NONVERBAL COMMUNICATION BY A GESTURE OR A
21 NOD THAT WOULD INDICATE TO A REASONABLE PERSON THAT A PERSON IS WILLING TO BE
22 EMPLOYED.
23 2. "UNAUTHORIZED ALIEN" MEANS AN ALIEN WHO DOES NOT HAVE THE LEGAL
24 RIGHT OR AUTHORIZATION UNDER FEDERAL LAW TO WORK IN THE UNITED STATES AS
25 DESCRIBED IN 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1324a(h)(3).
26 13-2929. Unlawful transporting, moving, concealing, harboring
27 or shielding of unlawful aliens; vehicle
28 impoundment; classification
29 A. IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR A PERSON WHO IS IN VIOLATION OF A CRIMINAL
30 OFFENSE TO:
31 1. TRANSPORT OR MOVE OR ATTEMPT TO TRANSPORT OR MOVE AN ALIEN IN THIS
32 STATE IN A MEANS OF TRANSPORTATION IF THE PERSON KNOWS OR RECKLESSLY
33 DISREGARDS THE FACT THAT THE ALIEN HAS COME TO, HAS ENTERED OR REMAINS IN THE
34 UNITED STATES IN VIOLATION OF LAW.
35 2. CONCEAL, HARBOR OR SHIELD OR ATTEMPT TO CONCEAL, HARBOR OR SHIELD
36 AN ALIEN FROM DETECTION IN ANY PLACE IN THIS STATE, INCLUDING ANY BUILDING OR
37 ANY MEANS OF TRANSPORTATION, IF THE PERSON KNOWS OR RECKLESSLY DISREGARDS THE
38 FACT THAT THE ALIEN HAS COME TO, HAS ENTERED OR REMAINS IN THE UNITED STATES
39 IN VIOLATION OF LAW.
40 3. ENCOURAGE OR INDUCE AN ALIEN TO COME TO OR RESIDE IN THIS STATE IF
41 THE PERSON KNOWS OR RECKLESSLY DISREGARDS THE FACT THAT SUCH COMING TO,
42 ENTERING OR RESIDING IN THIS STATE IS OR WILL BE IN VIOLATION OF LAW.
43 B. A MEANS OF TRANSPORTATION THAT IS USED IN THE COMMISSION OF A
44 VIOLATION OF THIS SECTION IS SUBJECT TO MANDATORY VEHICLE IMMOBILIZATION OR
45 IMPOUNDMENT PURSUANT TO SECTION 28-3511.
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Post by: Cuppycake on May 23, 2010, 11:18:41 pm
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1 C. A PERSON WHO VIOLATES THIS SECTION IS GUILTY OF A CLASS 1
2 MISDEMEANOR AND IS SUBJECT TO A FINE OF AT LEAST ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS, EXCEPT
3 THAT A VIOLATION OF THIS SECTION THAT INVOLVES TEN OR MORE ILLEGAL ALIENS IS
4 A CLASS 6 FELONY AND THE PERSON IS SUBJECT TO A FINE OF AT LEAST ONE THOUSAND
5 DOLLARS FOR EACH ALIEN WHO IS INVOLVED.
6 Sec. 6. Section 23-212, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended to read:
7 23-212. Knowingly employing unauthorized aliens; prohibition;
8 false and frivolous complaints; violation;
9 classification; license suspension and revocation;
10 affirmative defense
11 A. An employer shall not knowingly employ an unauthorized alien. If,
12 in the case when an employer uses a contract, subcontract or other
13 independent contractor agreement to obtain the labor of an alien in this
14 state, the employer knowingly contracts with an unauthorized alien or with a
15 person who employs or contracts with an unauthorized alien to perform the
16 labor, the employer violates this subsection.
17 B. The attorney general shall prescribe a complaint form for a person
18 to allege a violation of subsection A of this section. The complainant shall
19 not be required to list the complainant's social security number on the
20 complaint form or to have the complaint form notarized. On receipt of a
21 complaint on a prescribed complaint form that an employer allegedly knowingly
22 employs an unauthorized alien, the attorney general or county attorney shall
23 investigate whether the employer has violated subsection A of this section.
24 If a complaint is received but is not submitted on a prescribed complaint
25 form, the attorney general or county attorney may investigate whether the
26 employer has violated subsection A of this section. This subsection shall
27 not be construed to prohibit the filing of anonymous complaints that are not
28 submitted on a prescribed complaint form. The attorney general or county
29 attorney shall not investigate complaints that are based solely on race,
30 color or national origin. A complaint that is submitted to a county attorney
31 shall be submitted to the county attorney in the county in which the alleged
32 unauthorized alien is or was employed by the employer. The county sheriff or
33 any other local law enforcement agency may assist in investigating a
34 complaint. When investigating a complaint, the attorney general or county
35 attorney shall verify the work authorization of the alleged unauthorized
36 alien with the federal government pursuant to 8 United States Code section
37 1373(c). A state, county or local official shall not attempt to
38 independently make a final determination on whether an alien is authorized to
39 work in the United States. An alien's immigration status or work
40 authorization status shall be verified with the federal government pursuant
41 to 8 United States Code section 1373(c). A person who knowingly files a
42 false and frivolous complaint under this subsection is guilty of a class 3
43 misdemeanor.
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1 C. If, after an investigation, the attorney general or county attorney
2 determines that the complaint is not false and frivolous:
3 1. The attorney general or county attorney shall notify the United
4 States immigration and customs enforcement of the unauthorized alien.
5 2. The attorney general or county attorney shall notify the local law
6 enforcement agency of the unauthorized alien.
7 3. The attorney general shall notify the appropriate county attorney
8 to bring an action pursuant to subsection D of this section if the complaint
9 was originally filed with the attorney general.
10 D. An action for a violation of subsection A of this section shall be
11 brought against the employer by the county attorney in the county where the
12 unauthorized alien employee is or was employed by the employer. The county
13 attorney shall not bring an action against any employer for any violation of
14 subsection A of this section that occurs before January 1, 2008. A second
15 violation of this section shall be based only on an unauthorized alien who is
16 or was employed by the employer after an action has been brought for a
17 violation of subsection A of this section or section 23-212.01, subsection A.
18 E. For any action in superior court under this section, the court
19 shall expedite the action, including assigning the hearing at the earliest
20 practicable date.
21 F. On a finding of a violation of subsection A of this section:
22 1. For a first violation, as described in paragraph 3 of this
23 subsection, the court:
24 (a) Shall order the employer to terminate the employment of all
25 unauthorized aliens.
26 (b) Shall order the employer to be subject to a three year
27 probationary period for the business location where the unauthorized alien
28 performed work. During the probationary period the employer shall file
29 quarterly reports in the form provided in section 23-722.01 with the county
30 attorney of each new employee who is hired by the employer at the business
31 location where the unauthorized alien performed work.
32 (c) Shall order the employer to file a signed sworn affidavit with the
33 county attorney within three business days after the order is issued. The
34 affidavit shall state that the employer has terminated the employment of all
35 unauthorized aliens in this state and that the employer will not
36 intentionally or knowingly employ an unauthorized alien in this state. The
37 court shall order the appropriate agencies to suspend all licenses subject to
38 this subdivision that are held by the employer if the employer fails to file
39 a signed sworn affidavit with the county attorney within three business days
40 after the order is issued. All licenses that are suspended under this
41 subdivision shall remain suspended until the employer files a signed sworn
42 affidavit with the county attorney. Notwithstanding any other law, on filing
43 of the affidavit the suspended licenses shall be reinstated immediately by
44 the appropriate agencies. For the purposes of this subdivision, the licenses
45 that are subject to suspension under this subdivision are all licenses that
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1 are held by the employer specific to the business location where the
2 unauthorized alien performed work. If the employer does not hold a license
3 specific to the business location where the unauthorized alien performed
4 work, but a license is necessary to operate the employer's business in
5 general, the licenses that are subject to suspension under this subdivision
6 are all licenses that are held by the employer at the employer's primary
7 place of business. On receipt of the court's order and notwithstanding any
8 other law, the appropriate agencies shall suspend the licenses according to
9 the court's order. The court shall send a copy of the court's order to the
10 attorney general and the attorney general shall maintain the copy pursuant to
11 subsection G of this section.
12 (d) May order the appropriate agencies to suspend all licenses
13 described in subdivision (c) of this paragraph that are held by the employer
14 for not to exceed ten business days. The court shall base its decision to
15 suspend under this subdivision on any evidence or information submitted to it
16 during the action for a violation of this subsection and shall consider the
17 following factors, if relevant:
18 (i) The number of unauthorized aliens employed by the employer.
19 (ii) Any prior misconduct by the employer.
20 (iii) The degree of harm resulting from the violation.
21 (iv) Whether the employer made good faith efforts to comply with any
22 applicable requirements.
23 (v) The duration of the violation.
24 (vi) The role of the directors, officers or principals of the employer
25 in the violation.
26 (vii) Any other factors the court deems appropriate.
27 2. For a second violation, as described in paragraph 3 of this
28 subsection, the court shall order the appropriate agencies to permanently
29 revoke all licenses that are held by the employer specific to the business
30 location where the unauthorized alien performed work. If the employer does
31 not hold a license specific to the business location where the unauthorized
32 alien performed work, but a license is necessary to operate the employer's
33 business in general, the court shall order the appropriate agencies to
34 permanently revoke all licenses that are held by the employer at the
35 employer's primary place of business. On receipt of the order and
36 notwithstanding any other law, the appropriate agencies shall immediately
37 revoke the licenses.
38 3. The violation shall be considered:
39 (a) A first violation by an employer at a business location if the
40 violation did not occur during a probationary period ordered by the court
41 under this subsection or section 23-212.01, subsection F for that employer's
42 business location.
43 (b) A second violation by an employer at a business location if the
44 violation occurred during a probationary period ordered by the court under
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1 this subsection or section 23-212.01, subsection F for that employer's
2 business location.
3 G. The attorney general shall maintain copies of court orders that are
4 received pursuant to subsection F of this section and shall maintain a
5 database of the employers and business locations that have a first violation
6 of subsection A of this section and make the court orders available on the
7 attorney general's website.
8 H. On determining whether an employee is an unauthorized alien, the
9 court shall consider only the federal government's determination pursuant to
10 8 United States Code section 1373(c). The federal government's determination
11 creates a rebuttable presumption of the employee's lawful status. The court
12 may take judicial notice of the federal government's determination and may
13 request the federal government to provide automated or testimonial
14 verification pursuant to 8 United States Code section 1373(c).
15 I. For the purposes of this section, proof of verifying the employment
16 authorization of an employee through the e-verify program creates a
17 rebuttable presumption that an employer did not knowingly employ an
18 unauthorized alien.
19 J. For the purposes of this section, an employer that establishes that
20 it has complied in good faith with the requirements of 8 United States Code
21 section 1324a(b) establishes an affirmative defense that the employer did not
22 knowingly employ an unauthorized alien. An employer is considered to have
23 complied with the requirements of 8 United States Code section 1324a(b),
24 notwithstanding an isolated, sporadic or accidental technical or procedural
25 failure to meet the requirements, if there is a good faith attempt to comply
26 with the requirements.
27 K. IT IS AN AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE TO A VIOLATION OF SUBSECTION A OF THIS
28 SECTION THAT THE EMPLOYER WAS ENTRAPPED. TO CLAIM ENTRAPMENT, THE EMPLOYER
29 MUST ADMIT BY THE EMPLOYER'S TESTIMONY OR OTHER EVIDENCE THE SUBSTANTIAL
30 ELEMENTS OF THE VIOLATION. AN EMPLOYER WHO ASSERTS AN ENTRAPMENT DEFENSE HAS
31 THE BURDEN OF PROVING THE FOLLOWING BY CLEAR AND CONVINCING EVIDENCE:
32 1. THE IDEA OF COMMITTING THE VIOLATION STARTED WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT
33 OFFICERS OR THEIR AGENTS RATHER THAN WITH THE EMPLOYER.
34 2. THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS OR THEIR AGENTS URGED AND INDUCED THE
35 EMPLOYER TO COMMIT THE VIOLATION.
36 3. THE EMPLOYER WAS NOT PREDISPOSED TO COMMIT THE VIOLATION BEFORE THE
37 LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS OR THEIR AGENTS URGED AND INDUCED THE EMPLOYER TO
38 COMMIT THE VIOLATION.
39 L. AN EMPLOYER DOES NOT ESTABLISH ENTRAPMENT IF THE EMPLOYER WAS
40 PREDISPOSED TO VIOLATE SUBSECTION A OF THIS SECTION AND THE LAW ENFORCEMENT
41 OFFICERS OR THEIR AGENTS MERELY PROVIDED THE EMPLOYER WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO
42 COMMIT THE VIOLATION. IT IS NOT ENTRAPMENT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS OR
43 THEIR AGENTS MERELY TO USE A RUSE OR TO CONCEAL THEIR IDENTITY. THE CONDUCT
44 OF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND THEIR AGENTS MAY BE CONSIDERED IN DETERMINING
45 IF AN EMPLOYER HAS PROVEN ENTRAPMENT.
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1 Sec. 7. Section 23-212.01, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended to
2 read:
3 23-212.01. Intentionally employing unauthorized aliens;
4 prohibition; false and frivolous complaints;
5 violation; classification; license suspension and
6 revocation; affirmative defense
7 A. An employer shall not intentionally employ an unauthorized alien.
8 If, in the case when an employer uses a contract, subcontract or other
9 independent contractor agreement to obtain the labor of an alien in this
10 state, the employer intentionally contracts with an unauthorized alien or
11 with a person who employs or contracts with an unauthorized alien to perform
12 the labor, the employer violates this subsection.
13 B. The attorney general shall prescribe a complaint form for a person
14 to allege a violation of subsection A of this section. The complainant shall
15 not be required to list the complainant's social security number on the
16 complaint form or to have the complaint form notarized. On receipt of a
17 complaint on a prescribed complaint form that an employer allegedly
18 intentionally employs an unauthorized alien, the attorney general or county
19 attorney shall investigate whether the employer has violated subsection A of
20 this section. If a complaint is received but is not submitted on a
21 prescribed complaint form, the attorney general or county attorney may
22 investigate whether the employer has violated subsection A of this section.
23 This subsection shall not be construed to prohibit the filing of anonymous
24 complaints that are not submitted on a prescribed complaint form. The
25 attorney general or county attorney shall not investigate complaints that are
26 based solely on race, color or national origin. A complaint that is
27 submitted to a county attorney shall be submitted to the county attorney in
28 the county in which the alleged unauthorized alien is or was employed by the
29 employer. The county sheriff or any other local law enforcement agency may
30 assist in investigating a complaint. When investigating a complaint, the
31 attorney general or county attorney shall verify the work authorization of
32 the alleged unauthorized alien with the federal government pursuant to
33 8 United States Code section 1373(c). A state, county or local official
34 shall not attempt to independently make a final determination on whether an
35 alien is authorized to work in the United States. An alien's immigration
36 status or work authorization status shall be verified with the federal
37 government pursuant to 8 United States Code section 1373(c). A person who
38 knowingly files a false and frivolous complaint under this subsection is
39 guilty of a class 3 misdemeanor.
40 C. If, after an investigation, the attorney general or county attorney
41 determines that the complaint is not false and frivolous:
42 1. The attorney general or county attorney shall notify the United
43 States immigration and customs enforcement of the unauthorized alien.
44 2. The attorney general or county attorney shall notify the local law
45 enforcement agency of the unauthorized alien.
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1 3. The attorney general shall notify the appropriate county attorney
2 to bring an action pursuant to subsection D of this section if the complaint
3 was originally filed with the attorney general.
4 D. An action for a violation of subsection A of this section shall be
5 brought against the employer by the county attorney in the county where the
6 unauthorized alien employee is or was employed by the employer. The county
7 attorney shall not bring an action against any employer for any violation of
8 subsection A of this section that occurs before January 1, 2008. A second
9 violation of this section shall be based only on an unauthorized alien who is
10 or was employed by the employer after an action has been brought for a
11 violation of subsection A of this section or section 23-212, subsection A.
12 E. For any action in superior court under this section, the court
13 shall expedite the action, including assigning the hearing at the earliest
14 practicable date.
15 F. On a finding of a violation of subsection A of this section:
16 1. For a first violation, as described in paragraph 3 of this
17 subsection, the court shall:
18 (a) Order the employer to terminate the employment of all unauthorized
19 aliens.
20 (b) Order the employer to be subject to a five year probationary
21 period for the business location where the unauthorized alien performed work.
22 During the probationary period the employer shall file quarterly reports in
23 the form provided in section 23-722.01 with the county attorney of each new
24 employee who is hired by the employer at the business location where the
25 unauthorized alien performed work.
26 (c) Order the appropriate agencies to suspend all licenses described
27 in subdivision (d) of this paragraph that are held by the employer for a
28 minimum of ten days. The court shall base its decision on the length of the
29 suspension under this subdivision on any evidence or information submitted to
30 it during the action for a violation of this subsection and shall consider
31 the following factors, if relevant:
32 (i) The number of unauthorized aliens employed by the employer.
33 (ii) Any prior misconduct by the employer.
34 (iii) The degree of harm resulting from the violation.
35 (iv) Whether the employer made good faith efforts to comply with any
36 applicable requirements.
37 (v) The duration of the violation.
38 (vi) The role of the directors, officers or principals of the employer
39 in the violation.
40 (vii) Any other factors the court deems appropriate.
41 (d) Order the employer to file a signed sworn affidavit with the
42 county attorney. The affidavit shall state that the employer has terminated
43 the employment of all unauthorized aliens in this state and that the employer
44 will not intentionally or knowingly employ an unauthorized alien in this
45 state. The court shall order the appropriate agencies to suspend all
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1 licenses subject to this subdivision that are held by the employer if the
2 employer fails to file a signed sworn affidavit with the county attorney
3 within three business days after the order is issued. All licenses that are
4 suspended under this subdivision for failing to file a signed sworn affidavit
5 shall remain suspended until the employer files a signed sworn affidavit with
6 the county attorney. For the purposes of this subdivision, the licenses that
7 are subject to suspension under this subdivision are all licenses that are
8 held by the employer specific to the business location where the unauthorized
9 alien performed work. If the employer does not hold a license specific to
10 the business location where the unauthorized alien performed work, but a
11 license is necessary to operate the employer's business in general, the
12 licenses that are subject to suspension under this subdivision are all
13 licenses that are held by the employer at the employer's primary place of
14 business. On receipt of the court's order and notwithstanding any other law,
15 the appropriate agencies shall suspend the licenses according to the court's
16 order. The court shall send a copy of the court's order to the attorney
17 general and the attorney general shall maintain the copy pursuant to
18 subsection G of this section.
19 2. For a second violation, as described in paragraph 3 of this
20 subsection, the court shall order the appropriate agencies to permanently
21 revoke all licenses that are held by the employer specific to the business
22 location where the unauthorized alien performed work. If the employer does
23 not hold a license specific to the business location where the unauthorized
24 alien performed work, but a license is necessary to operate the employer's
25 business in general, the court shall order the appropriate agencies to
26 permanently revoke all licenses that are held by the employer at the
27 employer's primary place of business. On receipt of the order and
28 notwithstanding any other law, the appropriate agencies shall immediately
29 revoke the licenses.
30 3. The violation shall be considered:
31 (a) A first violation by an employer at a business location if the
32 violation did not occur during a probationary period ordered by the court
33 under this subsection or section 23-212, subsection F for that employer's
34 business location.
35 (b) A second violation by an employer at a business location if the
36 violation occurred during a probationary period ordered by the court under
37 this subsection or section 23-212, subsection F for that employer's business
38 location.
39 G. The attorney general shall maintain copies of court orders that are
40 received pursuant to subsection F of this section and shall maintain a
41 database of the employers and business locations that have a first violation
42 of subsection A of this section and make the court orders available on the
43 attorney general's website.
44 H. On determining whether an employee is an unauthorized alien, the
45 court shall consider only the federal government's determination pursuant to
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1 8 United States Code section 1373(c). The federal government's determination
2 creates a rebuttable presumption of the employee's lawful status. The court
3 may take judicial notice of the federal government's determination and may
4 request the federal government to provide automated or testimonial
5 verification pursuant to 8 United States Code section 1373(c).
6 I. For the purposes of this section, proof of verifying the employment
7 authorization of an employee through the e-verify program creates a
8 rebuttable presumption that an employer did not intentionally employ an
9 unauthorized alien.
10 J. For the purposes of this section, an employer that establishes that
11 it has complied in good faith with the requirements of 8 United States Code
12 section 1324a(b) establishes an affirmative defense that the employer did not
13 intentionally employ an unauthorized alien. An employer is considered to
14 have complied with the requirements of 8 United States Code section 1324a(b),
15 notwithstanding an isolated, sporadic or accidental technical or procedural
16 failure to meet the requirements, if there is a good faith attempt to comply
17 with the requirements.
18 K. IT IS AN AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE TO A VIOLATION OF SUBSECTION A OF THIS
19 SECTION THAT THE EMPLOYER WAS ENTRAPPED. TO CLAIM ENTRAPMENT, THE EMPLOYER
20 MUST ADMIT BY THE EMPLOYER'S TESTIMONY OR OTHER EVIDENCE THE SUBSTANTIAL
21 ELEMENTS OF THE VIOLATION. AN EMPLOYER WHO ASSERTS AN ENTRAPMENT DEFENSE HAS
22 THE BURDEN OF PROVING THE FOLLOWING BY CLEAR AND CONVINCING EVIDENCE:
23 1. THE IDEA OF COMMITTING THE VIOLATION STARTED WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT
24 OFFICERS OR THEIR AGENTS RATHER THAN WITH THE EMPLOYER.
25 2. THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS OR THEIR AGENTS URGED AND INDUCED THE
26 EMPLOYER TO COMMIT THE VIOLATION.
27 3. THE EMPLOYER WAS NOT PREDISPOSED TO COMMIT THE VIOLATION BEFORE THE
28 LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS OR THEIR AGENTS URGED AND INDUCED THE EMPLOYER TO
29 COMMIT THE VIOLATION.
30 L. AN EMPLOYER DOES NOT ESTABLISH ENTRAPMENT IF THE EMPLOYER WAS
31 PREDISPOSED TO VIOLATE SUBSECTION A OF THIS SECTION AND THE LAW ENFORCEMENT
32 OFFICERS OR THEIR AGENTS MERELY PROVIDED THE EMPLOYER WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO
33 COMMIT THE VIOLATION. IT IS NOT ENTRAPMENT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS OR
34 THEIR AGENTS MERELY TO USE A RUSE OR TO CONCEAL THEIR IDENTITY. THE CONDUCT
35 OF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND THEIR AGENTS MAY BE CONSIDERED IN DETERMINING
36 IF AN EMPLOYER HAS PROVEN ENTRAPMENT.
37 Sec. 8. Section 23-214, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended to read:
38 23-214. Verification of employment eligibility; e-verify
39 program; economic development incentives; list of
40 registered employers
41 A. After December 31, 2007, every employer, after hiring an employee,
42 shall verify the employment eligibility of the employee through the e-verify
43 program AND SHALL KEEP A RECORD OF THE VERIFICATION FOR THE DURATION OF THE
44 EMPLOYEE'S EMPLOYMENT OR AT LEAST THREE YEARS, WHICHEVER IS LONGER.
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1 B. In addition to any other requirement for an employer to receive an
2 economic development incentive from a government entity, the employer shall
3 register with and participate in the e-verify program. Before receiving the
4 economic development incentive, the employer shall provide proof to the
5 government entity that the employer is registered with and is participating
6 in the e-verify program. If the government entity determines that the
7 employer is not complying with this subsection, the government entity shall
8 notify the employer by certified mail of the government entity's
9 determination of noncompliance and the employer's right to appeal the
10 determination. On a final determination of noncompliance, the employer shall
11 repay all monies received as an economic development incentive to the
12 government entity within thirty days of the final determination. For the
13 purposes of this subsection:
14 1. "Economic development incentive" means any grant, loan or
15 performance-based incentive from any government entity that is awarded after
16 September 30, 2008. Economic development incentive does not include any tax
17 provision under title 42 or 43.
18 2. "Government entity" means this state and any political subdivision
19 of this state that receives and uses tax revenues.
20 C. Every three months the attorney general shall request from the
21 United States department of homeland security a list of employers from this
22 state that are registered with the e-verify program. On receipt of the list
23 of employers, the attorney general shall make the list available on the
24 attorney general's website.
25 Sec. 9. Section 28-3511, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended to read:
26 28-3511. Removal and immobilization or impoundment of vehicle
27 A. A peace officer shall cause the removal and either immobilization
28 or impoundment of a vehicle if the peace officer determines that a person is
29 driving the vehicle while any of the following applies:
30 1. The person's driving privilege is suspended or revoked for any
31 reason.
32 2. The person has not ever been issued a valid driver license or
33 permit by this state and the person does not produce evidence of ever having
34 a valid driver license or permit issued by another jurisdiction. This
35 paragraph does not apply to the operation of an implement of husbandry.
36 3. The person is subject to an ignition interlock device requirement
37 pursuant to chapter 4 of this title and the person is operating a vehicle
38 without a functioning certified ignition interlock device. This paragraph
39 does not apply to a person operating an employer's vehicle or the operation
40 of a vehicle due to a substantial emergency as defined in section 28-1464.
41 4. THE PERSON IS IN VIOLATION OF A CRIMINAL OFFENSE AND IS
42 TRANSPORTING, MOVING, CONCEALING, HARBORING OR SHIELDING OR ATTEMPTING TO
43 TRANSPORT, MOVE, CONCEAL, HARBOR OR SHIELD AN ALIEN IN THIS STATE IN A
44 VEHICLE IF THE PERSON KNOWS OR RECKLESSLY DISREGARDS THE FACT THAT THE ALIEN
45 HAS COME TO, HAS ENTERED OR REMAINS IN THE UNITED STATES IN VIOLATION OF LAW.
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1 B. A peace officer shall cause the removal and impoundment of a
2 vehicle if the peace officer determines that a person is driving the vehicle
3 and if all of the following apply:
4 1. The person's driving privilege is canceled, suspended or revoked
5 for any reason or the person has not ever been issued a driver license or
6 permit by this state and the person does not produce evidence of ever having
7 a driver license or permit issued by another jurisdiction.
8 2. The person is not in compliance with the financial responsibility
9 requirements of chapter 9, article 4 of this title.
10 3. The person is driving a vehicle that is involved in an accident
11 that results in either property damage or injury to or death of another
12 person.
13 C. Except as provided in subsection D of this section, while a peace
14 officer has control of the vehicle the peace officer shall cause the removal
15 and either immobilization or impoundment of the vehicle if the peace officer
16 has probable cause to arrest the driver of the vehicle for a violation of
17 section 4-244, paragraph 34 or section 28-1382 or 28-1383.
18 D. A peace officer shall not cause the removal and either the
19 immobilization or impoundment of a vehicle pursuant to subsection C of this
20 section if all of the following apply:
21 1. The peace officer determines that the vehicle is currently
22 registered and that the driver or the vehicle is in compliance with the
23 financial responsibility requirements of chapter 9, article 4 of this title.
24 2. The spouse of the driver is with the driver at the time of the
25 arrest.
26 3. The peace officer has reasonable grounds to believe that the spouse
27 of the driver:
28 (a) Has a valid driver license.
29 (b) Is not impaired by intoxicating liquor, any drug, a vapor
30 releasing substance containing a toxic substance or any combination of
31 liquor, drugs or vapor releasing substances.
32 (c) Does not have any spirituous liquor in the spouse's body if the
33 spouse is under twenty-one years of age.
34 4. The spouse notifies the peace officer that the spouse will drive
35 the vehicle from the place of arrest to the driver's home or other place of
36 safety.
37 5. The spouse drives the vehicle as prescribed by paragraph 4 of this
38 subsection.
39 E. Except as otherwise provided in this article, a vehicle that is
40 removed and either immobilized or impounded pursuant to subsection A, B or C
41 of this section shall be immobilized or impounded for thirty days. An
42 insurance company does not have a duty to pay any benefits for charges or
43 fees for immobilization or impoundment.
44 F. The owner of a vehicle that is removed and either immobilized or
45 impounded pursuant to subsection A, B or C of this section, the spouse of the
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1 owner and each person identified on the department's record with an interest
2 in the vehicle shall be provided with an opportunity for an immobilization or
3 poststorage hearing pursuant to section 28-3514.
4 Sec. 10. Title 41, chapter 12, article 2, Arizona Revised Statutes, is
5 amended by adding section 41-1724, to read:
6 41-1724. Gang and immigration intelligence team enforcement
7 mission fund
8 THE GANG AND IMMIGRATION INTELLIGENCE TEAM ENFORCEMENT MISSION FUND IS
9 ESTABLISHED CONSISTING OF MONIES DEPOSITED PURSUANT TO SECTION 11-1051 AND
10 MONIES APPROPRIATED BY THE LEGISLATURE. THE DEPARTMENT SHALL ADMINISTER THE
11 FUND. MONIES IN THE FUND ARE SUBJECT TO LEGISLATIVE APPROPRIATION AND SHALL
12 BE USED FOR GANG AND IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT AND FOR COUNTY JAIL
13 REIMBURSEMENT COSTS RELATING TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.
14 Sec. 11. Severability, implementation and construction
15 A. If a provision of this act or its application to any person or
16 circumstance is held invalid, the invalidity does not affect other provisions
17 or applications of the act that can be given effect without the invalid
18 provision or application, and to this end the provisions of this act are
19 severable.
20 B. The terms of this act regarding immigration shall be construed to
21 have the meanings given to them under federal immigration law.
22 C. This act shall be implemented in a manner consistent with federal
23 laws regulating immigration, protecting the civil rights of all persons and
24 respecting the privileges and immunities of United States citizens.
25 Sec. 12. Short title
26 This act may be cited as the "Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe
27 Neighborhoods Act".
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: Cuppycake on May 23, 2010, 11:26:13 pm
The ONLY thing the law does is hold the state's employees accountable for actually enforcing the FEDERAL LAW! So read the truth and suck on that!
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: ronie_23 on May 24, 2010, 12:29:42 am
The ONLY thing the law does is hold the state's employees accountable for actually enforcing the FEDERAL LAW! So read the truth and suck on that!

I feel sorry for you!!
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: muush88 on May 24, 2010, 02:29:18 am
The ONLY thing the law does is hold the state's employees accountable for actually enforcing the FEDERAL LAW! So read the truth and suck on that!


So tell me why this subject is such a hot topic if Arizona is only enforcing the federal law?  I didnt see anything in  that law that covers profiling. I didnt see anything in that law that states the employees of the state of Arizona have the right to stop, detain, harass anyone who looks like they shouldnt be here. Im sure This is not what the federal law intended. And lets hope somebody in Arizona dosnt need a cop for a life or death emergency  and the cops cant get there quick enough coz they got some guy some citizen of the United States of America pulled over coz he dosnt look like he should be here. Or the mom in the mini van with her kids and her kids friends  have to explain to the kids  that they get pulled over alot coz they just dont look the way Arizona law makers want them to look.  So we can read the truth all we want  its the reality we have to deal with.  And your anger does show every time you end your posts with your little snide remarks.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: Cuppycake on May 24, 2010, 02:38:56 am
Seriously if you people think that it is okay for all of these illegals to break the law on a daily basis you have serious issues at the core of your being. The law as I said before ONLY reinforces the federal law. And you know what I don't care if you don't like it! If you don't like it lol I question your REAL reason for not liking the law!  ;D
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: freepcmoney on May 24, 2010, 03:00:33 am
Seriously if you people think that it is okay for all of these illegals to break the law on a daily basis you have serious issues at the core of your being. The law as I said before ONLY reinforces the federal law. And you know what I don't care if you don't like it! If you don't like it lol I question your REAL reason for not liking the law!  ;D

I TOTALLY AGREE 100%. A nation without laws would be total ANARCHY ( bad spelling, sorry). In other words a TOTAL MESS, with NO SECURITY of ANY KIND.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: freepcmoney on May 24, 2010, 03:12:25 am
The ONLY thing the law does is hold the state's employees accountable for actually enforcing the FEDERAL LAW! So read the truth and suck on that!


So tell me why this subject is such a hot topic if Arizona is only enforcing the federal law?  I didnt see anything in  that law that covers profiling. I didnt see anything in that law that states the employees of the state of Arizona have the right to stop, detain, harass anyone who looks like they shouldnt be here. Im sure This is not what
the federal law intended. And lets hope somebody in Arizona dosnt need a cop for a life or death emergency  and the cops cant get there quick enough coz they got some guy some citizen of the United States of America pulled over coz he dosnt look like he should be here. Or the mom in the mini van with her kids and her kids friends  have to explain to the kids  that they get pulled over alot coz they just dont look the way Arizona law makers want them to look.  So we can read the truth all we want  its the reality we have to deal with.  And your anger does show every time you end your posts with your little snide remarks.

There are two reasons why this is such a HOT topic.

#1. Eric Holder---Attorney General of America, has admitted that he HAS NOT even read the 10 page law, BUT HE IS AGAINST IT. HE IS THE IDIOT that was appointed by the other IDIOT, Obama, who is against it, and I'll guarantee he has not read it either. Because IF he had read it, then he would see that it is no different than the federal law. BUT I am sure that he hasn't read that one either. THE DEMOCRATS JUST WANT TO STAY IN POWER, AND WILL DO OR SAY ANYTHING TO TRY AND STAY THERE.

#2. This nation is FULL of mentally incompetent people that, unfortunately vote, carry protest signs, and run their mouths about things that they know NOTHING about. Liberalism is a MENTAL DISORDER.   :dontknow:
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: freepcmoney on May 24, 2010, 03:16:17 am
The ONLY thing the law does is hold the state's employees accountable for actually enforcing the FEDERAL LAW! So read the truth and suck on that!

I feel sorry for you!!

I am sure that you sympathies are SO MUCH appreciated. Have you read the Arizona law?? Have you read the Federal law??
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: freepcmoney on May 24, 2010, 03:20:03 am
Quote from: Cuppycake link=topic=14279.msg183252#msg183252
Thanks so much for posting this.


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1 owner and each person identified on the department's record with an interest
2 in the vehicle shall be provided with an opportunity for an immobilization or
3 poststorage hearing pursuant to section 28-3514.
4 Sec. 10. Title 41, chapter 12, article 2, Arizona Revised Statutes, is
5 amended by adding section 41-1724, to read:
6 41-1724. Gang and immigration intelligence team enforcement
7 mission fund
8 THE GANG AND IMMIGRATION INTELLIGENCE TEAM ENFORCEMENT MISSION FUND IS
9 ESTABLISHED CONSISTING OF MONIES DEPOSITED PURSUANT TO SECTION 11-1051 AND
10 MONIES APPROPRIATED BY THE LEGISLATURE. THE DEPARTMENT SHALL ADMINISTER THE
11 FUND. MONIES IN THE FUND ARE SUBJECT TO LEGISLATIVE APPROPRIATION AND SHALL
12 BE USED FOR GANG AND IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT AND FOR COUNTY JAIL
13 REIMBURSEMENT COSTS RELATING TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.
14 Sec. 11. Severability, implementation and construction
15 A. If a provision of this act or its application to any person or
16 circumstance is held invalid, the invalidity does not affect other provisions
17 or applications of the act that can be given effect without the invalid
18 provision or application, and to this end the provisions of this act are
19 severable.
20 B. The terms of this act regarding immigration shall be construed to
21 have the meanings given to them under federal immigration law.
22 C. This act shall be implemented in a manner consistent with federal
23 laws regulating immigration, protecting the civil rights of all persons and
24 respecting the privileges and immunities of United States citizens.
25 Sec. 12. Short title
26 This act may be cited as the "Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe
27 Neighborhoods Act".
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: muush88 on May 24, 2010, 03:21:37 am
"THE DEMOCRATS JUST WANT TO STAY IN POWER, AND WILL DO OR SAY ANYTHING TO TRY AND STAY THERE."

Well this goes for all politicians  whatever side of the isle they are on.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: lvstephanie on May 24, 2010, 06:59:22 am

So tell me why this subject is such a hot topic if Arizona is only enforcing the federal law?  I didnt see anything in  that law that covers profiling. I didnt see anything in that law that states the employees of the state of Arizona have the right to stop, detain, harass anyone who looks like they shouldnt be here. Im sure This is not what the federal law intended. And lets hope somebody in Arizona dosnt need a cop for a life or death emergency  and the cops cant get there quick enough coz they got some guy some citizen of the United States of America pulled over coz he dosnt look like he should be here. Or the mom in the mini van with her kids and her kids friends  have to explain to the kids  that they get pulled over alot coz they just dont look the way Arizona law makers want them to look.  So we can read the truth all we want  its the reality we have to deal with.  And your anger does show every time you end your posts with your little snide remarks.

Nothing in the law that covers profiling...

"C. This act shall be implemented in a manner consistent with federal
23 laws regulating immigration, protecting the civil rights of all persons and
24 respecting the privileges and immunities of United States citizens."

Yeah, I can't see it either...
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: lvstephanie on May 24, 2010, 07:45:36 am
But seriously... In the bill (Thanks Cupcake!!! Now we can actually have a rational discussion) it states that the cops must first have pulled someone over for something else and only then check their immigration status. And the Supreme Court has already established that pulling someone over for racial profiling is not considered to be "reasonable suspicion". Unlike what our president said, it is illegal for a cop to harass a father and his son just going out for an ice-cream just because they are Hispanic and don't have their "papers". And all the worry about "papers" is also fairly ridiculous... The "papers" are forms of documents that all citizens probably have available anyways (a valid Arizona driver's license works!), esp. if they are driving and get pulled over. I never think twice when a cop pulls me over for speeding and asks for license, registration, and proof of insurance. And as the cop is checking if there are outstanding warrants on me, in Arizona they'd just use the computer to check immigration status as well (which you could consider as another form of warrant checking, since being in this country illegally is, well, illegal).

Could there be racist cops that will want to pull Hispanics over just because of their race? Yes, but then they are abusing some different law in violation of the person's civil rights. It isn't this new law that is causing the cop to pull them over... All it is doing is saying that the state needs to be in compliance with Federal immigration laws and dictating how this is to be done.

I hope my state will enact similar legislation, esp. since we're also a border state albeit a border with Canada instead of Mexico. And actually, states that don't already have something similar (even if not explicitly stated) are in violation of the US Constitution's Supremacy Clause (Article VI Clause 2): "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding." In other words, the supreme law of the land is the Federal immigration law, which the Arizona law keeps stating as its reason for having the law and the need to implement such a law to begin with, and any state that does not try to enforce the Federal immigration law (like they'd do for the Federal kidnapping law, etc.) would be going against the constitution.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: barnes987 on May 25, 2010, 03:18:18 pm
immigrants are no the issue, it's illegal immigrants that pose the problem.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: Cuppycake on May 25, 2010, 11:05:36 pm
immigrants are no the issue, it's illegal immigrants that pose the problem.
Exactly!
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: ivyruefthaler1 on May 25, 2010, 11:07:03 pm
What is wrong with immigrants, it sounds like ur being either racist or prejudice to me...
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: Cuppycake on May 25, 2010, 11:14:07 pm
What is wrong with immigrants, it sounds like ur being either racist or prejudice to me...

The whole point is if you are here LEGALLY no problem. If you are here ILLEGALLY then YES there is a problem!
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: ivyruefthaler1 on May 25, 2010, 11:39:53 pm
sure okay...
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: Cuppycake on May 25, 2010, 11:42:49 pm
But seriously... In the bill (Thanks Cupcake!!! Now we can actually have a rational discussion) it states that the cops must first have pulled someone over for something else and only then check their immigration status. And the Supreme Court has already established that pulling someone over for racial profiling is not considered to be "reasonable suspicion". Unlike what our president said, it is illegal for a cop to harass a father and his son just going out for an ice-cream just because they are Hispanic and don't have their "papers". And all the worry about "papers" is also fairly ridiculous... The "papers" are forms of documents that all citizens probably have available anyways (a valid Arizona driver's license works!), esp. if they are driving and get pulled over. I never think twice when a cop pulls me over for speeding and asks for license, registration, and proof of insurance. And as the cop is checking if there are outstanding warrants on me, in Arizona they'd just use the computer to check immigration status as well (which you could consider as another form of warrant checking, since being in this country illegally is, well, illegal).

Could there be racist cops that will want to pull Hispanics over just because of their race? Yes, but then they are abusing some different law in violation of the person's civil rights. It isn't this new law that is causing the cop to pull them over... All it is doing is saying that the state needs to be in compliance with Federal immigration laws and dictating how this is to be done.

I hope my state will enact similar legislation, esp. since we're also a border state albeit a border with Canada instead of Mexico. And actually, states that don't already have something similar (even if not explicitly stated) are in violation of the US Constitution's Supremacy Clause (Article VI Clause 2): "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding." In other words, the supreme law of the land is the Federal immigration law, which the Arizona law keeps stating as its reason for having the law and the need to implement such a law to begin with, and any state that does not try to enforce the Federal immigration law (like they'd do for the Federal kidnapping law, etc.) would be going against the constitution.

I find it funny that California has such a problem with Arizona's law when they themselves have a similar law ! Not to mention the highest concentration of the mexican cartel is IN California...  
http://www.newser.com/story/66901/mexican-cartel-crew-indicted-in-san-diego-kidnap-murders.html

http://www.newser.com/story/34515/mexican-cartels-growing-pot-in-us-national-park.html
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: Cuppycake on May 25, 2010, 11:51:01 pm
California politicians, liberals and agitators are either deliberately or otherwise ignorant of the fact that California has illegal alien laws on the books similar to Arizona's.

And the Federal laws give the power to law enforcement to stop ANYONE - AT ANYTIME - FOR NO REASON and request the person show appropriate paperwork of ability to legally be in this country.(Same as all or nearly all countries ON THE PLANET!!!)

Without another reason to stop a person(s)- just stop ANYONE ANYTIME. And the US Supreme court has upheld these FEDERAL LAWS unanimously.

Calif. Penal Code Sec. 834b

834b.(a) Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws.

(b) With respect to any such person who is arrested, and suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws, every law enforcement agency shall do the following:

(1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person as a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent resident, an alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time or as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of immigration laws. The verification process may include, but shall not be limited to, questioning the person regarding his or her date and place of birth, and entry into the United States, and demanding documentation to indicate his or her legal status.

(2) Notify the person of his or her apparent status as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws and inform him or her that, apart from any criminal justice proceedings, he or she must either obtain legal status or leave the United States.

(3) Notify the Attorney General of California and the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service of the apparent illegal status and provide any additional information that may be requested by any other public entity.

(c) Any legislative, administrative, or other action by a city, county, or other legally authorized local governmental entity with jurisdictional boundaries, or by a law enforcement agency, to prevent or limit the cooperation required by subdivision (a) is expressly prohibited.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: vangabhargavi on May 26, 2010, 08:34:52 am
Every country has immigrants.. so obviously i think laws for immigrants for their own good...
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: ppv2 on May 28, 2010, 05:18:48 am
A solution to the problem of illegal immigration must be found.  We are all paying a very high price.  The big question is how much longer can the US afford to  pay so high a price?
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: samiole32 on May 28, 2010, 07:20:17 am
Every country has immigrants.. so obviously i think laws for immigrants for their own good...
I think you are right plus most oh the illegal immigrants their children are american citizens so I guess it is a little bit complicated if you just try to depart them you are departing their children too and this is not fair for the children who has the same right for the american children because simply they are, So I guess they must have a chance to be legal I am not saying that give it for free they must pay for breaking the laws in the first place but just give them the chance to be legal who do become legal and who continue breaking the rules he has to be departed no matter what Just a chance to be good citizens.

 
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: Cuppycake on May 28, 2010, 11:39:17 am
Every country has immigrants.. so obviously i think laws for immigrants for their own good...
I think you are right plus most oh the illegal immigrants their children are american citizens so I guess it is a little bit complicated if you just try to depart them you are departing their children too and this is not fair for the children who has the same right for the american children because simply they are, So I guess they must have a chance to be legal I am not saying that give it for free they must pay for breaking the laws in the first place but just give them the chance to be legal who do become legal and who continue breaking the rules he has to be departed no matter what Just a chance to be good citizens.

 
The 14th amendment needs to be FIXED. It should not be an issue. They do NOT DESERVE to be citizens! This is a .pdf copy of the proposed end to the loophole in the 14th amendment that grants citizenship to ILLEGAL ALIEN'S babies born here. I hope for the sake of America it becomes law! http://www.kpho.com/download/2010/0520/23624269.pdf
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: emerald6786 on June 01, 2010, 07:46:14 am
I'm not sure if I want to comment on this subject. But I believe that everyone who come from other countries should try to make attempts to be in America, only If it's done legally by the Federal Government. Only If their paperwork are in the correct order, should they be accepted. This is my final thought :)
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: pattypingle on June 01, 2010, 08:41:19 am
I don't mind immigrants if they are LEGAL, after all look at what the new ones had to go thru in the 1900's. They were processed, criminals were not admitted in. Health issues were taken care of before entry. They had to learn english and were expected to work and didn't depend of free handouts. Problem is now, they don't want to speak english, expect free healthcare, and handouts of money, food and even cars in some states and free education. Most of the money is send to other countries and do not help the US economy. Most are just takers of free stuff that even citizens can't get.  Thats just plain wrong. If you come here, become a citizen, get a job, pay taxes and don't take freebies just because you can.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: Cuppycake on June 01, 2010, 02:34:34 pm
I don't mind immigrants if they are LEGAL, after all look at what the new ones had to go thru in the 1900's. They were processed, criminals were not admitted in. Health issues were taken care of before entry. They had to learn english and were expected to work and didn't depend of free handouts. Problem is now, they don't want to speak english, expect free healthcare, and handouts of money, food and even cars in some states and free education. Most of the money is send to other countries and do not help the US economy. Most are just takers of free stuff that even citizens can't get.  Thats just plain wrong. If you come here, become a citizen, get a job, pay taxes and don't take freebies just because you can.

I have several LEGAL immigrant friends and I tell you what they are JUST as angry about the ILLEGALS as I am if not MORE!
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: sigmapi1501 on June 08, 2010, 04:23:52 am
I am now dumber for reading this whole thing. Easily the funniest thing said in this forum was my post on page 3.  The chick that dressed up like a cat for her picture is as dumb as the conservative talk radio show host that she gets her talking points from.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: klkwid on June 08, 2010, 05:39:18 am
Just as everything else in this country, if you want to do something, do it legally.  It's possible to come here legally-although it's expensive and time consuming, it's POSSIBLE.  If you want to be here and be accepted, come LEGALLY! 
The thing I REALLY have a problem with are the immigrants who come over and fly their flags above the US flag or they fly the US flag upside down!  If you don't like the country, GO HOME!!!!  WTF? 
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: yaayme on June 08, 2010, 08:53:43 am
Everybody in this country is a immigrant, except for the natives. Thee end....
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: Cuppycake on June 08, 2010, 10:36:29 am
I am now dumber for reading this whole thing. Easily the funniest thing said in this forum was my post on page 3.  The chick that dressed up like a cat for her picture is as dumb as the conservative talk radio show host that she gets her talking points from.
You are a retard...
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: Cuppycake on June 08, 2010, 10:37:25 am
Everybody in this country is a immigrant, except for the natives. Thee end....
Nice DREAM...
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: sigmapi1501 on June 08, 2010, 01:09:11 pm
You are a retard...

Yea, that should do it for your credibility.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: Cuppycake on June 10, 2010, 12:13:04 pm
You are a retard...

Yea, that should do it for your credibility.
You know what I have posted the ACTUAL word for word laws in this thread. ALL you have contributed is bullshit LMAO! So yeah I am putting your retarded *bleep* on ignore. ;)
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: emerald6786 on June 10, 2010, 02:10:18 pm
The Native American were not the first to discovered America there were Paleo Indians,and other countries. History 210 U.S. History through the Civil War. And Christopher Columbus was definitely not the first. It was discovered that everyone in this country was enslaved by the Native Americans. There were more than just African Slaves there were other countries that were sold into slavery. Please check the History Channels, Discovery Channels, it would be better to research than to speculate. Metropolitan Musuem of Natural Arts Located on W82 st & 5th. All the things that will help us to better understand the past.
I believed that everyone deserves a far chance but when they abuse they law than they should account for their actions. There is no room for ignorance and racism, life is too short to waste time, agonizing who belongs and who doesn't belong in this country. We are all created equal and must learn to get along with eachother.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: InKane on June 10, 2010, 02:18:37 pm
Yeah the fact that we have a Columbus Day puzzles me, heh. He wasn't the first here, and he found this place by accident. What if I went over to my neighbor's yard and "discovered" his car?  :P
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: Dessy79 on June 10, 2010, 02:32:46 pm

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I agree that immigrants need help, however they must abide by the law of this land. I feel that all immigrants must follow the procedures and protocols of this great country. This will make our lives better as seek to help those who are truly in need.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: sigmapi1501 on June 10, 2010, 09:01:53 pm
Ahh... the internet.  A nice place where you can believe that people actually care what you think.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: debraleesparks on June 10, 2010, 11:08:07 pm
Everybody in this country is a immigrant, except for the natives. Thee end....
:wave: :wave: The 'natives' crossed the Bering straight from china!!!That's why most natives look Asian.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: vangabhargavi on June 11, 2010, 04:58:49 am
Yeah I agree, we hardly find real americans. America is only country which has many immigrants I guess :)
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: emerald6786 on June 17, 2010, 07:08:13 am
This is the question that I want everyone to really think about. Is America really the land of the free? What Happened? If you look at it we're not really free. The Federal Government has made so many bad decisions to put us in a recession. They i'm sure will be difficult to get out of... And we can't blame the new President for this mishap, it was already in effect when he arrived in the white house. It's not fair for everyone to lay the blame on him, when he's trying very hard to make the right choices. He's really not making all the decisions by himself. He has other individuals in his administrations that he must inform about his decisions and if they don't agree then he can't do anything. Everyone must agree. Let's see Gov. Patterson, it was a big mistake to put his in Albany. He's made decision that caused New York to go bankrupt, his tax cuts on Education, healthcare, MTA,everything that we need in this community to provide for our families. What's next?
Anyway, immigration laws should be enforced and more strict, to ensure safety in our country. Fairness and equal opportunity should be something important to consider.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: lvstephanie on June 17, 2010, 09:24:25 am
I am now dumber for reading this whole thing. Easily the funniest thing said in this forum was my post on page 3.  The chick that dressed up like a cat for her picture is as dumb as the conservative talk radio show host that she gets her talking points from.

I am now more stupid for reading your comment... Instead of bringing up actual evidence to refute someone in a debate, you just resort to character assassination of a person's avatar. At least Cuppycake (yes, I'm at least smart enough to figure out her name), posts actual transcripts of the laws into the discussion.

And, BTW, Cuppycake has not really given what is considered to be a "talking points" (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talking_point (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talking_point))... Talking points are usually short statements given without much substantive evidence used to attack the opposing view. However, Cuppycake has gone beyond that to actually recite the entire Arizona law so that people can read it for themselves and form their own rational opinion about it. If she were just to scoff and say people should read the bill (without actually doing so herself), then I could see where you'd consider that to be a "talking point".  In fact, saying that Cuppycake's arguments are just conservative talk show talking point is actually a talking point in itself; instead of quoting her and showing how it is just a talking point (perhaps by even quoting conservative talk shows and/or blog sites and showing the similarity in the rhetoric) you just make a claim that her arguments are "talking points" hoping that your assertion is enough to validate your claim and thereby invalidate her arguments.

In fact, your comment commits several logical fallacies, a tactic that is common for those that cannot logically argue a side in a debate or in rhetorical propiganda. Ad hominem attack of Cuppycake's avatar as being reason to dismiss her claims; ad populum attack and guilt by association to associate her claims with conservative talk radio, which has already been demonized by left wing propaganda and other forms of media threatened by their competitor's success, so as to appeal to people's sense of being in the community of "enlightened people, instead of idiotic conservative talk-radio listeners"; obfuscation by incorrectly using the term "talking points" to criticize her arguments as being invalid because they are "talking points" without actually defining the term and/or explaining how they are indeed just "talking points". (I'm also wondering how a person that physically cannot speak (ie "dumb") can be on talk radio...)

Note that this post has nothing to do with the topic of immigration (I don't want anyone to accuse me of committing the fallacies of "proof by verbosity" or obfuscation). I just wanted to point this out so that we can have a rational discussion about a very current topic instead of one that deteriorates into a bunch of name-calling and inane attacks.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: sigmapi1501 on June 19, 2010, 11:12:42 am
I am now dumber for reading this whole thing. Easily the funniest thing said in this forum was my post on page 3.  The chick that dressed up like a cat for her picture is as dumb as the conservative talk radio show host that she gets her talking points from.

I am now more stupid for reading your comment... Instead of bringing up actual evidence to refute someone in a debate, you just resort to character assassination of a person's avatar. At least Cuppycake (yes, I'm at least smart enough to figure out her name), posts actual transcripts of the laws into the discussion.

And, BTW, Cuppycake has not really given what is considered to be a "talking points" (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talking_point (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talking_point))... Talking points are usually short statements given without much substantive evidence used to attack the opposing view. However, Cuppycake has gone beyond that to actually recite the entire Arizona law so that people can read it for themselves and form their own rational opinion about it. If she were just to scoff and say people should read the bill (without actually doing so herself), then I could see where you'd consider that to be a "talking point".  In fact, saying that Cuppycake's arguments are just conservative talk show talking point is actually a talking point in itself; instead of quoting her and showing how it is just a talking point (perhaps by even quoting conservative talk shows and/or blog sites and showing the similarity in the rhetoric) you just make a claim that her arguments are "talking points" hoping that your assertion is enough to validate your claim and thereby invalidate her arguments.

In fact, your comment commits several logical fallacies, a tactic that is common for those that cannot logically argue a side in a debate or in rhetorical propiganda. Ad hominem attack of Cuppycake's avatar as being reason to dismiss her claims; ad populum attack and guilt by association to associate her claims with conservative talk radio, which has already been demonized by left wing propaganda and other forms of media threatened by their competitor's success, so as to appeal to people's sense of being in the community of "enlightened people, instead of idiotic conservative talk-radio listeners"; obfuscation by incorrectly using the term "talking points" to criticize her arguments as being invalid because they are "talking points" without actually defining the term and/or explaining how they are indeed just "talking points". (I'm also wondering how a person that physically cannot speak (ie "dumb") can be on talk radio...)

Note that this post has nothing to do with the topic of immigration (I don't want anyone to accuse me of committing the fallacies of "proof by verbosity" or obfuscation). I just wanted to point this out so that we can have a rational discussion about a very current topic instead of one that deteriorates into a bunch of name-calling and inane attacks.

This was too long, I didn't read it all. But from the little bit I did read I can tell that you got picked on a lot in school.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: sigmapi1501 on June 19, 2010, 11:14:24 am
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 At least Cuppycake (yes, I'm at least smart enough to figure out her name)

I'm guessing that is NOT her real name.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: jorhea on June 19, 2010, 01:06:52 pm
Thought for the day.... Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is
like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: sigmapi1501 on June 19, 2010, 05:36:09 pm
Thought for the day.... Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is
like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'

Yes. It's EXACTLY the same thing. You're an idiot.
Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: jorhea on June 20, 2010, 01:50:16 pm
Thought for the day.... Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is
like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'

Yes. It's EXACTLY the same thing. You're an idiot.

You may want to keep this rule in mind before you answer like that again.

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Title: Re: immigrants
Post by: sigmapi1501 on June 20, 2010, 01:56:38 pm
Thought for the day.... Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is
like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'

Yes. It's EXACTLY the same thing. You're an idiot.

You may want to keep this rule in mind before you answer like that again.

1. Observe the golden rule -- Treat others as you would like to be treated

This one is pretty obvious. This means NO flaming, NO derogatory remarks to other members or staff. I know it is an online forum, but behind everyone's screen name is a real human with real feelings. So please respect everyone, even if you do not agree with them, or get along with them.

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I do not feel this remark is derogatory. I feel that person that makes a comments as such has a high probability of being an idiot. An idiot is not a derogatory term. I am simply implying or flat out stating that I feel your intelligence is less than average.  It probably is. There is nothing wrong with that.

Plus.. your comment was full of hate and ignorance. There is nothing wrong with that??? But if I call you on it there is? Backwards. if you're gonna bash an entire group of people, have at least thick enough skin to be questioned about it.