I think illegal immigration is something this country needs to get under control. The unique thing about the US's problem compared to that of other countries is that the US shares a large and hard to patrol border with a country that is much worse off.
I understand that illegal immigrants come to the US because they want a better life, but that is why everyone came here, and not everyone did it illegally and made themselves a burden to legal citizens.
While I think the measures taken in Arizona are harsh, I understand what they wanted to achieve and fully agree. Sometimes unfavorable things need to be done to fix a problem.
America "The Land Of The Free" can be iterpreted in many different ways. I don't believe it meant everything is Free if you come here! Like citizenship it is not Free!I agree. What would be the advantage to being an American citizen, if people can come illegally from other countries and get everything for free that we have to work for all our lives? Also, if they are illegal, that shows they have no respect for our laws, and we certainly don't need any more criminals in this country.
It's something you have to earn when you get here! The word FREE is interpreted to mean everthing is Free. Thats not the case, even though many immigrants and some of our politicians tend to believe that interpretation! :peace:
immagrants need help also this is america land of the free
I have a great idea! Why doesn't Fusion Cash go international! That way, people in other countries will have some money in their pockets and MIGHT not come here ! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Before you can solve the problem, you must stop the cause of the problem.
Put the national guard all along the Mexican Border and order them to kill anyone that comes actoss it, that does not pass through customs. PROBLEM SOLVED!!
Then start deporting ALL the ILLEGAL'S who are here. Otherwise, IF you deport them today, they will be back next week, the way the border is now. Gotta STOP ALL ILLEGAL BORDER CROSSING FIRST!!!
Everyone deserves a chance huh? So lets open the borders and allow Afgan/Iraq to come on over. Some of them might actually decide not to blow us up. And as far as the AZ law I support it. The Mexicans who have problems with it probably have a family member in America who is here illegaly. I don't see the big deal about carrying around a piece of paper. They did it to themselves....Everyonee[/color][/b]
deserves a chance!>:/
wow I don't even know what to say. I came to this country illegaly when I was 15. It was not my decision but my dads, I didn't want to come nor did my sister who was 13, we simply had no choice. This was more than 22years ago. At first the language barrier, the diversity of people, the customs was overwhelming and we just wanted to go back, we even tried running away but couldn't get far. As the days, weeks, months and years went by this became our home. Neither my sister or I have papers yet, its complicated. It is sad to hear that some people think so little of us immigrants. Althought I may not be legal, I have always work hard, I have health insurance, I have owned and paid several cars, I am in the process of buying a house. I have ok credit and don't owe anyone. I tried to follow the law and try to keep out of trouble. Most people know of my legal status, I am no ashamed of being an illegal immigrant, but they also know of my integrity. Being illegal doesn't mean that we are criminals, I would never shoot anyone unless I had a life threatening reason and even then I think I would have a problem. For anyone to say just shoot as they come accross sounds to me like your saying "use this as an excuse an go trigger happy". That just sounds wrong.:sad1: :sad1: :sad1:No,,you are NOT following the law, if you are here illegally.
I don't even know what to say....
immagrants need help also this is america land of the free
wow I don't even know what to say. I came to this country illegaly when I was 15. It was not my decision but my dads, I didn't want to come nor did my sister who was 13, we simply had no choice. This was more than 22years ago. At first the language barrier, the diversity of people, the customs was overwhelming and we just wanted to go back, we even tried running away but couldn't get far. As the days, weeks, months and years went by this became our home. Neither my sister or I have papers yet, its complicated. It is sad to hear that some people think so little of us immigrants. Althought I may not be legal, I have always work hard, I have health insurance, I have owned and paid several cars, I am in the process of buying a house. I have ok credit and don't owe anyone. I tried to follow the law and try to keep out of trouble. Most people know of my legal status, I am no ashamed of being an illegal immigrant, but they also know of my integrity. Being illegal doesn't mean that we are criminals, I would never shoot anyone unless I had a life threatening reason and even then I think I would have a problem. For anyone to say just shoot as they come accross sounds to me like your saying "use this as an excuse an go trigger happy". That just sounds wrong.
I don't even know what to say....
Everyone deserves a chance huh? So lets open the borders and allow Afgan/Iraq to come on over. Some of them might actually decide not to blow us up. And as far as the AZ law I support it. The Mexicans who have problems with it probably have a family member in America who is here illegaly. I don't see the big deal about carrying around a piece of paper. They did it to themselves....Everyonee[/color][/b]
deserves a chance!>:/
I believe that people should be able to find a way into the United States legally. The new law in Arizona is crazy.I agree with you 100% I do not feel that there is really any need to have to kill people. What exactly are we tring to prove by killing people? Especially since the majority of the time they are trying to save their lives and the lives of their children by coming to America. I know some people that were illegal immigrants and I find it very sad. Although, it may be against the law I still find that some are are GENUINELY trying to find a better way of living to help support their families. So really what is the harm in that? Yes some countries are trying to hurt America but we are also hurting ourselves. With all of the crime going on in America alot of it is americans themselves. Not all of the people in jail are illegal immigrants but Americans themselves!!! So sorry to say but we are not perfect, we were just fortunate enough to be born here!!!
Freepcmoney, why do you think that people trying to find a good life should be killed? I could understand if they come to the US to commit crimes, but MOST of the time, they come here just to work. I don't see a problem with deporting them if they commit crimes, but at least give people a chance.
wow... no actually I applied pretty much just like you did... my social is mine, my dl is mine... fortunatelly for me neither one of you runs this country, there is still laws that protects us. Funny thing is that people from my country are never in the news about committing crimes. If you watch the news closely majority of the people there are affluent people. People who went to school, people who were trained in fields in which they have access to anything. Not to stereo type but my people are hards workers, we all have jobs, hell my brother is a recruiter for the marines, yes he is serving this great country. My oldest son wants to also be a marine, my seven 7year wants to be president as you can see we are not here for anything else but to make it just like you. Yes I may not be legal but just like you, I pay taxes, I am not on government assistance as I believe that as I long as I am able I will work for what I want. As for ICE they already know about me. lol... so calling them won't do you any good. ;)If you pay taxes, work, your brother is a recruit for the marines, you are not on govt assistance than you deserve to be a US citizen. The only people that should not be allowed to come here are the ones who, don't work, don't pay taxes, don't contribute to the U.S. at all, and live off the government.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: I agree!! she is legal, but she doesn't realize it. If she got her s.s. card legally, and she has a child who was born here, she is legal.. We need to keep out the leeches, and terrorists.If she stoll someones s.s. number, then she is a criminal who needs to go to prison, but by the way she talks, I believe she is here legally.wow... no actually I applied pretty much just like you did... my social is mine, my dl is mine... fortunatelly for me neither one of you runs this country, there is still laws that protects us. Funny thing is that people from my country are never in the news about committing crimes. If you watch the news closely majority of the people there are affluent people. People who went to school, people who were trained in fields in which they have access to anything. Not to stereo type but my people are hards workers, we all have jobs, hell my brother is a recruiter for the marines, yes he is serving this great country. My oldest son wants to also be a marine, my seven 7year wants to be president as you can see we are not here for anything else but to make it just like you. Yes I may not be legal but just like you, I pay taxes, I am not on government assistance as I believe that as I long as I am able I will work for what I want. As for ICE they already know about me. lol... so calling them won't do you any good. ;)If you pay taxes, work, your brother is a recruit for the marines, you are not on govt assistance than you deserve to be a US citizen. The only people that should not be allowed to come here are the ones who, don't work, don't pay taxes, don't contribute to the U.S. at all, and live off the government.
I believe that people should be able to find a way into the United States legally. The new law in Arizona is crazy.I agree with you 100% I do not feel that there is really any need to have to kill people. What exactly are we tring to prove by killing people? Especially since the majority of the time they are trying to save their lives and the lives of their children by coming to America. I know some people that were illegal immigrants and I find it very sad. Although, it may be against the law I still find that some are are GENUINELY trying to find a better way of living to help support their families. So really what is the harm in that? Yes some countries are trying to hurt America but we are also hurting ourselves. With all of the crime going on in America alot of it is americans themselves. Not all of the people in jail are illegal immigrants but Americans themselves!!! So sorry to say but we are not perfect, we were just fortunate enough to be born here!!!
Freepcmoney, why do you think that people trying to find a good life should be killed? I could understand if they come to the US to commit crimes, but MOST of the time, they come here just to work. I don't see a problem with deporting them if they commit crimes, but at least give people a chance.
I think illegal immigration is something this country needs to get under control. The unique thing about the US's problem compared to that of other countries is that the US shares a large and hard to patrol border with a country that is much worse off.i think that if immigrats want to come to united states then they need to go thru a year worth of classes to understand our way of living and pass a test in order to get certified to live in the united states
I understand that illegal immigrants come to the US because they want a better life, but that is why everyone came here, and not everyone did it illegally and made themselves a burden to legal citizens.
While I think the measures taken in Arizona are harsh, I understand what they wanted to achieve and fully agree. Sometimes unfavorable things need to be done to fix a problem.
Freedom ISN'T free........ it costs a buck o' Five.lol epic. Team America ftw 8)
There is a passage in the bible that says " if you are free of sin, throw the 1st stone". Even the president of the United States has never been able to say, he has never braking the law. If I am braking the law by staying here illegaly, I am paying a lot of money on social security, taxes, medicaid, attorneys fees, immigration fees... Being here illegaly is costly, but since I do have a job and as anyone else here is not just that I have to pay all this but it is also my duty. My kids will someday serve this country, they all want to grow up and join the marines just like my brother. See unfortunatelly there is a lot of us, that have been here for years but because of immagration reforms that ultimatelly leave us out of every opportunity we have not been able to get our papers. Yes I have my own Social and Driver's license, see years ago immigrants were able to get papers, I got mine when I was in high school but they are only to ID who I am, not to say I am legal. I am still going thru the court motions but it takes years.. You would have to be in my shoes to know how it feels.. But either way, you can say pretty much anything but unless you are any of us, you simply don't know what you are talking about.
wow I don't even know what to say. I came to this country illegaly when I was 15. It was not my decision but my dads, I didn't want to come nor did my sister who was 13, we simply had no choice. This was more than 22years ago. At first the language barrier, the diversity of people, the customs was overwhelming and we just wanted to go back, we even tried running away but couldn't get far. As the days, weeks, months and years went by this became our home. Neither my sister or I have papers yet, its complicated. It is sad to hear that some people think so little of us immigrants. Althought I may not be legal, I have always work hard, I have health insurance, I have owned and paid several cars, I am in the process of buying a house. I have ok credit and don't owe anyone. I tried to follow the law and try to keep out of trouble. Most people know of my legal status, I am no ashamed of being an illegal immigrant, but they also know of my integrity. Being illegal doesn't mean that we are criminals, I would never shoot anyone unless I had a life threatening reason and even then I think I would have a problem. For anyone to say just shoot as they come accross sounds to me like your saying "use this as an excuse an go trigger happy". That just sounds wrong.
I don't even know what to say....
If you are here ILLEGALLY YOU ARE THE ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES! GTFO!
TO EVERYONE,
IF YOUR AMERICAN YOU WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL AND TOOK HISTORY, SO YOU HAVE TO KNOW ABOUT A PART OF AMERICA WAS ONCE MEXICO.
IF YOU THINK IMMIGRANTS SHOULD BE SHOT THEN... BECAUSE WE ARE ALL IMMIGRANTS IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
IF YOU THINK THAT IMMIGRANTS ARE TAKING JOBS FROM AMERICANS THEN YOU NEED TO LOOK FOR A JOB WHERE HARD WORK IS INVOLVED. THE THE FIRST THEY WOULD HIRE IS AMERICANS AND IF AN AMERICAN DOESN'T HIRE YOU IS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T SEE POTENTIAL IN YOU FOR THAT TYPE OF JOB. IMMIGRANTS ARE HARD WORKERS THAT ARE BRAVE ENOUGH TO APPLY FOR JOBS YOU GET YOUR HANDS DIRTY IN WITCH MANY AMERICANS ARE NOT WILLING TO DO.
YES I THINK IMMIGRANTS SHOULD HAVE PAPERS TO BE IN AMERICA, BUT FIRST THEY NEED TO COME TO AMERICA IN ORDER TO APPLY TO BECOME A US CITIZENS AND TO BECOME A CITIZEN ITS NOT THAT EASY OR CHEEP.
EVERYONE WANTS TO COME TO AMERICA AND LIVE A BETTER LIFE AND THAT'S WHAT AMERICA OFFERS EVERYONE.
WHAT MAKES AMERICA TO BE WHAT IT IS, LAND OF THE FREE. ITS NOT JUST AMERICANS IS EVERYONE WHO LIVES IN AMERICA.
:star: :peace:
Illegal immigration is indeed a very hot topic and a topic that causes anger and hate to erupt in many people. Sometimes I catch myself saying something bad about illegal immigrants, but then I take a step back and look at things from a different perspective. We are all in search of a better life in one form or another, just some people do by means of coming to this country illegally. Yes it is wrong and a crime, but people should not lose their lives because of it. The US needs to get up off their lazy asses and do something about it. Action gets things done, complaining about it gets us no where.
I am an immigrant who came to the US 17 years ago LEGALLY in search of a better life. I did everything in my power to make sure I did all the right things to become a citizen. I sacrificed to pay the fees for my applications and citizenship papers when I had very little money to spare. So if someone is here illegally and they want to stay here, they have no excuse.
I hope you all know that the United States was created for people to immigrate away from their country's problems/religions/cultures etc. The only thing that bothers me about illegal immigrants is that they don't pay full taxes. If they were taxed completely then I wouldn't mind at all :D.It isn't just about the taxes. They are flat out criminals. If they will do one criminal act there is no reason to think they won't do others. They DO NOT care about this country or anyone in it. They do not respect the laws of the land as the give their allegiance to the *bleep* hole they left behind. Why anyone would claim to "love" mexico and be "so proud" of being mexican yet not want to live in the country they think is so freaking great is beyond me ...
I hope you all know that the United States was created for people to immigrate away from their country's problems/religions/cultures etc. The only thing that bothers me about illegal immigrants is that they don't pay full taxes. If they were taxed completely then I wouldn't mind at all :D.It isn't just about the taxes. They are flat out criminals. If they will do one criminal act there is no reason to think they won't do others. They DO NOT care about this country or anyone in it. They do not respect the laws of the land as the give their allegiance to the *bleep* hole they left behind. Why anyone would claim to "love" mexico and be "so proud" of being mexican yet not want to live in the country they think is so freaking great is beyond me ...
I hope you all know that the United States was created for people to immigrate away from their country's problems/religions/cultures etc. The only thing that bothers me about illegal immigrants is that they don't pay full taxes. If they were taxed completely then I wouldn't mind at all :D.It isn't just about the taxes. They are flat out criminals. If they will do one criminal act there is no reason to think they won't do others. They DO NOT care about this country or anyone in it. They do not respect the laws of the land as the give their allegiance to the *bleep* hole they left behind. Why anyone would claim to "love" mexico and be "so proud" of being mexican yet not want to live in the country they think is so freaking great is beyond me ...
I think everyone should be free to express how they feel but it really gets to me to see how much anger you have in you towards Mexicans I don't know what you have experienced in your life that makes you feel so strongly about Us But NOT all Immigrants are criminals even if they did come here Undocumented. Sorry if this offends you but I have seen soooo many of your comments and all of them are full of hate.
I hope you all know that the United States was created for people to immigrate away from their country's problems/religions/cultures etc. The only thing that bothers me about illegal immigrants is that they don't pay full taxes. If they were taxed completely then I wouldn't mind at all :D.It isn't just about the taxes. They are flat out criminals. If they will do one criminal act there is no reason to think they won't do others. They DO NOT care about this country or anyone in it. They do not respect the laws of the land as the give their allegiance to the *bleep* hole they left behind. Why anyone would claim to "love" mexico and be "so proud" of being mexican yet not want to live in the country they think is so freaking great is beyond me ...
I hope you all know that the United States was created for people to immigrate away from their country's problems/religions/cultures etc. The only thing that bothers me about illegal immigrants is that they don't pay full taxes. If they were taxed completely then I wouldn't mind at all :D.It isn't just about the taxes. They are flat out criminals. If they will do one criminal act there is no reason to think they won't do others. They DO NOT care about this country or anyone in it. They do not respect the laws of the land as the give their allegiance to the *bleep* hole they left behind. Why anyone would claim to "love" mexico and be "so proud" of being mexican yet not want to live in the country they think is so freaking great is beyond me ...
You are full of hate. I dont think its just the illegal imigrants that bother you.
Sorry, I don't see any anger issues here at all. These people are simply stating their opinions and reasons for thinking this way. Usually when someone is ignorant about the facts then they have to use "feelings". Everyone has the right to their point of view, but don't go classifying people w/o knowing all your facts, muush88.Thank you!
As for this issue, our country was founded by legal immigrants including my family. These people are looking for a better way of life but there is a legal process. AZ adopted their version of the US law that the government does not uphold.
Here is a clip from CNN interview of Mexican President Calderon:
BLITZER: So in other words, if somebody sneaks in from Nicaragua or some other country in Central America, through the southern border of Mexico, they wind up in Mexico, they can go get a job...
CALDERON: No, no.
BLITZER: They can work.
CALDERON: If -- if somebody do that without permission, we send back -- we send back them.
Sorry, I don't see any anger issues here at all. These people are simply stating their opinions and reasons for thinking this way. Usually when someone is ignorant about the facts then they have to use "feelings". Everyone has the right to their point of view, but don't go classifying people w/o knowing all your facts, muush88.
As for this issue, our country was founded by legal immigrants including my family. These people are looking for a better way of life but there is a legal process. AZ adopted their version of the US law that the government does not uphold.
Here is a clip from CNN interview of Mexican President Calderon:
BLITZER: So in other words, if somebody sneaks in from Nicaragua or some other country in Central America, through the southern border of Mexico, they wind up in Mexico, they can go get a job...
CALDERON: No, no.
BLITZER: They can work.
CALDERON: If -- if somebody do that without permission, we send back -- we send back them.
I never said that it wasn't a crime, I simply stated that I do not agree with it. What did you not understand about my post? That is my oppinion, and regardless of how I feel it will not change all of the hatred agenst the immigrants.I believe that people should be able to find a way into the United States legally. The new law in Arizona is crazy.I agree with you 100% I do not feel that there is really any need to have to kill people. What exactly are we tring to prove by killing people? Especially since the majority of the time they are trying to save their lives and the lives of their children by coming to America. I know some people that were illegal immigrants and I find it very sad. Although, it may be against the law I still find that some are are GENUINELY trying to find a better way of living to help support their families. So really what is the harm in that? Yes some countries are trying to hurt America but we are also hurting ourselves. With all of the crime going on in America alot of it is americans themselves. Not all of the people in jail are illegal immigrants but Americans themselves!!! So sorry to say but we are not perfect, we were just fortunate enough to be born here!!!
Freepcmoney, why do you think that people trying to find a good life should be killed? I could understand if they come to the US to commit crimes, but MOST of the time, they come here just to work. I don't see a problem with deporting them if they commit crimes, but at least give people a chance.
I said that to solve the problem of ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION-----The FIRST thing that must be done is to solve the CAUSE of the PROBLEM.------The PRIMARY cause of the problem is people coming across the border between Mexico and the USA. ( Eventhough a few illegals do come in through other means.) How do you stop illegals from committing the CRIME of crossing the border ILLEGALLY??? We could build a fence that would take a long time, BUTT it NEEDS to be done. BUTT while we are waiting on that-----Put the National Guard on the Mexican/USA Border and order them to shoot anyone coming across who does not pass through customs.
DO you people NOT UNDERSTAND that it is a CRIME, It is AGAINST the laws of this GREAT COUNTRY to cross that border illegally?? You are a criminal. If you are shot while crossing, then you are shot in act of committing a crime........We are a nation of laws. After the first one or two were shot, there would not be anymore. The others would GET THE DAMMED MESSAGE AND STAY IN MEXICO. PROBLEM OF ILLEGAL BORDER CROSSING WOULD BE SOLVED!!!!
But NOT TO WORRY----Nobody in Washington DC has enough nuts to kill a fly. They would have to get a committee to study it....
The reason that you are coming here does not negate the LAW. The law is the law
An example-----If you had a loved one who was old and very ill and wanted to die to get out of their pain and misery, and begged you to help them. You gave them an overdose of drugs to help them and they died. YOU ARE GUILTY OF MURDER. The law is the law. Your reaon for breaking it does not change anything,.
If you are here ILLEGALLY YOU ARE THE ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES! GTFO!
Having an aunt here illegally is treason? :BangHead: Times square bomber U.S. citizenship, some of his accomplices U.S. citizenship Timothy Mcvey citizen US Army Veteran, Sept 11 2001 suicide bombers most or all were here legally. learning how to use our infrastucture against us. So its ok to kill as many americans as you can if you have the correct paperwork. But to hell with anybody who picks fruit or vegetables or works in the backstretch of any racetrack in america. we complain about they take all the jobs away from us but we dont want to do them anyway.
Treason, sedition mean disloyalty or treachery to one's country or its government. Treason is any attempt to overthrow the government or impair the well-being of a state to which one owes allegiance; the crime of giving aid or comfort to the enemies of one's government.
I fully support the new AZ Immigration Law. I'm hoping my state passes it next.
If they are here illegally, then they should leave. We have so many Americans out of work, and most illegals are being hired to do their jobs because they'll work cheaper because they don't pay taxes. It saddens me.
Here's a way that you can fight back as a citizen...make sure that your state has an E-Verify system in place, and don't buy from any company unless they use E-Verify to check to see if their workers are legal citizens before hiring them. So, Google "E-Verify" and check it out. You can also read more about E-Verify on the NumbersUSA website.
Sorry, I don't see any anger issues here at all. These people are simply stating their opinions and reasons for thinking this way. Usually when someone is ignorant about the facts then they have to use "feelings". Everyone has the right to their point of view, but don't go classifying people w/o knowing all your facts, muush88.
As for this issue, our country was founded by legal immigrants including my family. These people are looking for a better way of life but there is a legal process. AZ adopted their version of the US law that the government does not uphold.
Here is a clip from CNN interview of Mexican President Calderon:
BLITZER: So in other words, if somebody sneaks in from Nicaragua or some other country in Central America, through the southern border of Mexico, they wind up in Mexico, they can go get a job...
CALDERON: No, no.
BLITZER: They can work.
CALDERON: If -- if somebody do that without permission, we send back -- we send back them.
no other state is going to pass that law simply because it violates not only the right of immigrants but also citizens just in case you have not read the law if you are caught with an immigrant you will go to jail too, for those who dont like immigrants I think they should move to another country because we are not going anywhere . they wouldn't be here if they didnt have to, do you think is easy to cross the border and leave your family your children behind just to make a better life for them ,do you think is fair to separate a mother and her child, I'm pretty sure is not . I was born an american citizen but I am also an immigrant so before you start judging people imagine your self in there situation ,and feel bless that you were born here and dont use your position to judge and feel entitled . I fully agree that people that immigrate here and are criminals and dont change they should be sent back but honest people that come here to work they should stay here ,that is why we need a migratory reform that actually works and let me add something else they would pay taxes if this country would make it easier to become legal citizens they dont pay taxes because they have no other choice ,and please dont say that they take our jobs and do it for less that the minimum like they do it in purpose ,the companiest that hire them take advantage because they are immigrants . so people please its time to open our eyes and start seeing things with all the facts not just base on just racist opinions
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The ONLY thing the law does is hold the state's employees accountable for actually enforcing the FEDERAL LAW! So read the truth and suck on that!
The ONLY thing the law does is hold the state's employees accountable for actually enforcing the FEDERAL LAW! So read the truth and suck on that!
Seriously if you people think that it is okay for all of these illegals to break the law on a daily basis you have serious issues at the core of your being. The law as I said before ONLY reinforces the federal law. And you know what I don't care if you don't like it! If you don't like it lol I question your REAL reason for not liking the law! ;D
The ONLY thing the law does is hold the state's employees accountable for actually enforcing the FEDERAL LAW! So read the truth and suck on that!
So tell me why this subject is such a hot topic if Arizona is only enforcing the federal law? I didnt see anything in that law that covers profiling. I didnt see anything in that law that states the employees of the state of Arizona have the right to stop, detain, harass anyone who looks like they shouldnt be here. Im sure This is not what
the federal law intended. And lets hope somebody in Arizona dosnt need a cop for a life or death emergency and the cops cant get there quick enough coz they got some guy some citizen of the United States of America pulled over coz he dosnt look like he should be here. Or the mom in the mini van with her kids and her kids friends have to explain to the kids that they get pulled over alot coz they just dont look the way Arizona law makers want them to look. So we can read the truth all we want its the reality we have to deal with. And your anger does show every time you end your posts with your little snide remarks.
The ONLY thing the law does is hold the state's employees accountable for actually enforcing the FEDERAL LAW! So read the truth and suck on that!
I feel sorry for you!!
S.B. 1070
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1 owner and each person identified on the department's record with an interest
2 in the vehicle shall be provided with an opportunity for an immobilization or
3 poststorage hearing pursuant to section 28-3514.
4 Sec. 10. Title 41, chapter 12, article 2, Arizona Revised Statutes, is
5 amended by adding section 41-1724, to read:
6 41-1724. Gang and immigration intelligence team enforcement
7 mission fund
8 THE GANG AND IMMIGRATION INTELLIGENCE TEAM ENFORCEMENT MISSION FUND IS
9 ESTABLISHED CONSISTING OF MONIES DEPOSITED PURSUANT TO SECTION 11-1051 AND
10 MONIES APPROPRIATED BY THE LEGISLATURE. THE DEPARTMENT SHALL ADMINISTER THE
11 FUND. MONIES IN THE FUND ARE SUBJECT TO LEGISLATIVE APPROPRIATION AND SHALL
12 BE USED FOR GANG AND IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT AND FOR COUNTY JAIL
13 REIMBURSEMENT COSTS RELATING TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.
14 Sec. 11. Severability, implementation and construction
15 A. If a provision of this act or its application to any person or
16 circumstance is held invalid, the invalidity does not affect other provisions
17 or applications of the act that can be given effect without the invalid
18 provision or application, and to this end the provisions of this act are
19 severable.
20 B. The terms of this act regarding immigration shall be construed to
21 have the meanings given to them under federal immigration law.
22 C. This act shall be implemented in a manner consistent with federal
23 laws regulating immigration, protecting the civil rights of all persons and
24 respecting the privileges and immunities of United States citizens.
25 Sec. 12. Short title
26 This act may be cited as the "Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe
27 Neighborhoods Act".
So tell me why this subject is such a hot topic if Arizona is only enforcing the federal law? I didnt see anything in that law that covers profiling. I didnt see anything in that law that states the employees of the state of Arizona have the right to stop, detain, harass anyone who looks like they shouldnt be here. Im sure This is not what the federal law intended. And lets hope somebody in Arizona dosnt need a cop for a life or death emergency and the cops cant get there quick enough coz they got some guy some citizen of the United States of America pulled over coz he dosnt look like he should be here. Or the mom in the mini van with her kids and her kids friends have to explain to the kids that they get pulled over alot coz they just dont look the way Arizona law makers want them to look. So we can read the truth all we want its the reality we have to deal with. And your anger does show every time you end your posts with your little snide remarks.
immigrants are no the issue, it's illegal immigrants that pose the problem.Exactly!
What is wrong with immigrants, it sounds like ur being either racist or prejudice to me...
But seriously... In the bill (Thanks Cupcake!!! Now we can actually have a rational discussion) it states that the cops must first have pulled someone over for something else and only then check their immigration status. And the Supreme Court has already established that pulling someone over for racial profiling is not considered to be "reasonable suspicion". Unlike what our president said, it is illegal for a cop to harass a father and his son just going out for an ice-cream just because they are Hispanic and don't have their "papers". And all the worry about "papers" is also fairly ridiculous... The "papers" are forms of documents that all citizens probably have available anyways (a valid Arizona driver's license works!), esp. if they are driving and get pulled over. I never think twice when a cop pulls me over for speeding and asks for license, registration, and proof of insurance. And as the cop is checking if there are outstanding warrants on me, in Arizona they'd just use the computer to check immigration status as well (which you could consider as another form of warrant checking, since being in this country illegally is, well, illegal).
Could there be racist cops that will want to pull Hispanics over just because of their race? Yes, but then they are abusing some different law in violation of the person's civil rights. It isn't this new law that is causing the cop to pull them over... All it is doing is saying that the state needs to be in compliance with Federal immigration laws and dictating how this is to be done.
I hope my state will enact similar legislation, esp. since we're also a border state albeit a border with Canada instead of Mexico. And actually, states that don't already have something similar (even if not explicitly stated) are in violation of the US Constitution's Supremacy Clause (Article VI Clause 2): "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding." In other words, the supreme law of the land is the Federal immigration law, which the Arizona law keeps stating as its reason for having the law and the need to implement such a law to begin with, and any state that does not try to enforce the Federal immigration law (like they'd do for the Federal kidnapping law, etc.) would be going against the constitution.
Every country has immigrants.. so obviously i think laws for immigrants for their own good...I think you are right plus most oh the illegal immigrants their children are american citizens so I guess it is a little bit complicated if you just try to depart them you are departing their children too and this is not fair for the children who has the same right for the american children because simply they are, So I guess they must have a chance to be legal I am not saying that give it for free they must pay for breaking the laws in the first place but just give them the chance to be legal who do become legal and who continue breaking the rules he has to be departed no matter what Just a chance to be good citizens.
The 14th amendment needs to be FIXED. It should not be an issue. They do NOT DESERVE to be citizens! This is a .pdf copy of the proposed end to the loophole in the 14th amendment that grants citizenship to ILLEGAL ALIEN'S babies born here. I hope for the sake of America it becomes law! http://www.kpho.com/download/2010/0520/23624269.pdfEvery country has immigrants.. so obviously i think laws for immigrants for their own good...I think you are right plus most oh the illegal immigrants their children are american citizens so I guess it is a little bit complicated if you just try to depart them you are departing their children too and this is not fair for the children who has the same right for the american children because simply they are, So I guess they must have a chance to be legal I am not saying that give it for free they must pay for breaking the laws in the first place but just give them the chance to be legal who do become legal and who continue breaking the rules he has to be departed no matter what Just a chance to be good citizens.
I don't mind immigrants if they are LEGAL, after all look at what the new ones had to go thru in the 1900's. They were processed, criminals were not admitted in. Health issues were taken care of before entry. They had to learn english and were expected to work and didn't depend of free handouts. Problem is now, they don't want to speak english, expect free healthcare, and handouts of money, food and even cars in some states and free education. Most of the money is send to other countries and do not help the US economy. Most are just takers of free stuff that even citizens can't get. Thats just plain wrong. If you come here, become a citizen, get a job, pay taxes and don't take freebies just because you can.
I am now dumber for reading this whole thing. Easily the funniest thing said in this forum was my post on page 3. The chick that dressed up like a cat for her picture is as dumb as the conservative talk radio show host that she gets her talking points from.You are a retard...
Everybody in this country is a immigrant, except for the natives. Thee end....Nice DREAM...
You are a retard...
You know what I have posted the ACTUAL word for word laws in this thread. ALL you have contributed is bullshit LMAO! So yeah I am putting your retarded *bleep* on ignore. ;)You are a retard...
Yea, that should do it for your credibility.
Everybody in this country is a immigrant, except for the natives. Thee end....:wave: :wave: The 'natives' crossed the Bering straight from china!!!That's why most natives look Asian.
I am now dumber for reading this whole thing. Easily the funniest thing said in this forum was my post on page 3. The chick that dressed up like a cat for her picture is as dumb as the conservative talk radio show host that she gets her talking points from.
I am now dumber for reading this whole thing. Easily the funniest thing said in this forum was my post on page 3. The chick that dressed up like a cat for her picture is as dumb as the conservative talk radio show host that she gets her talking points from.
I am now more stupid for reading your comment... Instead of bringing up actual evidence to refute someone in a debate, you just resort to character assassination of a person's avatar. At least Cuppycake (yes, I'm at least smart enough to figure out her name), posts actual transcripts of the laws into the discussion.
And, BTW, Cuppycake has not really given what is considered to be a "talking points" (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talking_point (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talking_point))... Talking points are usually short statements given without much substantive evidence used to attack the opposing view. However, Cuppycake has gone beyond that to actually recite the entire Arizona law so that people can read it for themselves and form their own rational opinion about it. If she were just to scoff and say people should read the bill (without actually doing so herself), then I could see where you'd consider that to be a "talking point". In fact, saying that Cuppycake's arguments are just conservative talk show talking point is actually a talking point in itself; instead of quoting her and showing how it is just a talking point (perhaps by even quoting conservative talk shows and/or blog sites and showing the similarity in the rhetoric) you just make a claim that her arguments are "talking points" hoping that your assertion is enough to validate your claim and thereby invalidate her arguments.
In fact, your comment commits several logical fallacies, a tactic that is common for those that cannot logically argue a side in a debate or in rhetorical propiganda. Ad hominem attack of Cuppycake's avatar as being reason to dismiss her claims; ad populum attack and guilt by association to associate her claims with conservative talk radio, which has already been demonized by left wing propaganda and other forms of media threatened by their competitor's success, so as to appeal to people's sense of being in the community of "enlightened people, instead of idiotic conservative talk-radio listeners"; obfuscation by incorrectly using the term "talking points" to criticize her arguments as being invalid because they are "talking points" without actually defining the term and/or explaining how they are indeed just "talking points". (I'm also wondering how a person that physically cannot speak (ie "dumb") can be on talk radio...)
Note that this post has nothing to do with the topic of immigration (I don't want anyone to accuse me of committing the fallacies of "proof by verbosity" or obfuscation). I just wanted to point this out so that we can have a rational discussion about a very current topic instead of one that deteriorates into a bunch of name-calling and inane attacks.
At least Cuppycake (yes, I'm at least smart enough to figure out her name)
Thought for the day.... Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is
like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'
Thought for the day.... Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is
like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'
Yes. It's EXACTLY the same thing. You're an idiot.
Thought for the day.... Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is
like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'
Yes. It's EXACTLY the same thing. You're an idiot.
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