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Don't go consult a dictionary ;)
Define it as you know it.
What does it say about the age of the Earth?
Does it explain where life comes from?
Does it explain how a monkey can grow a soul one day?
Does it contradict Noah's flood?
Using evolution could a dog grow wings one day?
What does it teach about good and evil?
What does it teach about God?
I think this thread could be an interesting.
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Evolution defined by me = devoloping through either a short (mircoevolution) or VERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYY LONG (macroevolution) period of time.
What does it say about the age of the Earth?
The earth is very very old through any area of scientific study and the evidence found in the field.
Does it explain where life comes from?
Comes from (birth)? Check. Came from (history)? Check. New stuff is being discovered which helps us get a better grasp on this question.
Does it explain how a monkey can grow a soul one day?
That depends on your religious affiliations. One can argue that all animals have souls. But evolution does not say we came from monkeys. This is probably one of the most common mistakes people make that don't know anything on the subject.
Does it contradict Noah's flood?
It's hard to contradict something that never happened. There's tangible proof of evolution.
Using evolution could a dog grow wings one day?
If the environment got very strange by our current standards and through millions and millions of years passing-- if dogs have struggled and succeeded to exist to take on this strange quality to survive its environment, sure. The probem is that dogs (and humans for that matter) don't have the correct bone and muscle structure as birds do, so I don't see this realistically happening. A possibility? Sure. Probability? Pretty far our there.
Strange stuff like this happens with bugs all the time through microevolution. New traits and physical qualities appear. I know it sounds weird, but welcome to nature.
Edit: I think a better question would be "what type of environment would have to exist for dogs to evolve with wings?"
What does it teach about good and evil?
Nothing too large I think. Just that the brain developed in modern humans enough to where we can define things with these 2 natures. But from there, these are different branches of study-- psychology, philosophy, sociology, etc.
What does it teach about God?
Nothing unless you throw religion into the mix. Remember-- evolution is not a religion.
I think this thread could be an interesting.
It could be.
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Pearl Jam.
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Think of life like a tree (says it in the bible) The Tree of Life. Evolution is just the Branches.
You said you didn't believe in the god of the Bible, psh.
Don't go consult a dictionary ;)
We need to encourage people to consult their dictionaries, though. And encyclopedias. Because all most people have heard in regards to evolution is this ridiculous rumor that we are monkeys.
Define it as you know it.
Change over time via natural selection and mutations.
What does it say about the age of the Earth?
That it is very, very old, as much time is required to result in the complexity that we have today.
Does it explain where life comes from?
No, it explains what happens AFTER life has started.
Does it explain how a monkey can grow a soul one day?
There are no souls period; this is an ignorant question on many levels.
Does it contradict Noah's flood?
Yes, because god just magically spoke all of the animals into existence at once.
Using evolution could a dog grow wings one day?
If there was environmental pressure for dogs to need to fly, then yes.
What does it teach about good and evil?
Absolutely nothing. Those are human inventions.
What does it teach about God?
That the Christian god doesn't exist, because evolution contradicts what is stated in Genesis. Also that a god in general probably doesn't exist, as all of these changes and mutations were able to happen naturally and on their own.
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Probably means worth believing although unproven.
Nope. Example of this being false- I don't play many casino games because the probability in winning is so high that I don't see it as worth putting the money into. It's not worth believing that I will win.
This is an agnostic way to look at it. Agnostics don't know and don't really care and don't want to think about it because they are just trying to live their life.
This is partially right-- this is one of the many branches of agnosticism. Not agnosticism in general. Some care and some don't.
ALIENS are not a GOD.
...what?
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Exactly Probably and what does probably mean?
Probably means worth believing although unproven. This is an agnostic way to look at it. Agnostics don't know and don't really care and don't want to think about it because they are just trying to live their life.
This probably that you speak of means you should probably figure out what you know and quit throwing out God don't exist and haha your ignorant because face it...you don't know and you see God existing as probable.
That is not atheism. Atheists say NO GOD DOESN'T EXIST and NO THERE IS NO SUPREME (LARGER) BEING THAN US. There is no probably in that.
No, marieelissa, I am an atheist. I do not leave any possibility open for there being a god like agnostics do. But I'm also not an idiot, and because I am not an idiot, I can't 100% say there is no god just like we can't 100% say we are sure about ANYTHING.
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:wave: Falconer I replied to you.
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The questions posed have been answered, by 2 people, in much the same way I would answer them, so I won't be redundant with that right now. As far as the apes and penguins? I have NO idea what books or sources you used when "you studied a lot into evolution", but please do not become a teacher, young minds are far too impressionable. As soon as anyone hears the word evolution, they go to Charles Darwin, apes, and gorillas. The fact is, Darwin initially studied birds (rhea's, finches, mockingbirds) and the tortoises of the Galapagos Islands. It wasn't until he saw an orangutan in a zoo that anything was noted as far as the resemblance they showed to humans. This is a very simplified breakdown, but this topic is too hard to go into fully without scientific knowledge or citings.
You either believe in Evolution or you believe in God. You cannot believe in the same thing at the same time unless you have no belief and searching for the one that fits you best.
Funny, I know quite a few theists who have studied and accepted many parts of the evolutionist 'theory' and especially the process of natural selection and survival of the fittest species.
"Probably means worth believing although unproven."
No, something that is probable is 'likely' and that does not mean "worth believing"
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"our ancesters the Apes"
ARRGGHHH!!!! :BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead:
Yeah, I'll jump on that research advice from you, marieelissa.
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Falconer I replied to you.
I see now! I will respond to you later! Sorry for the wait.
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What is so hard to understand about this:
Species close to the last common ancestor of gorillas, chimpanzees and humans may be represented by Nakalipithecus fossils found in Kenya and Ouranopithecus found in Greece. Molecular evidence suggests that between 8 and 4 million years ago, first the gorillas, and then the chimpanzees (genus Pan) split off from the line leading to the humans; human DNA is approximately 98.4% identical to that of chimpanzees when comparing single nucleotide polymorphisms (see Human evolutionary genetics).
Today, all humans belong to one, undivided by species barrier, population of Homo sapiens sapiens. However, according to the "Out of Africa" model this is not the first species of hominids: the first species of genus Homo, Homo habilis, evolved in East Africa at least 2 Ma, and members of this species populated different parts of Africa in a relatively short time. Homo erectus evolved more than 1.8 Ma, and by 1.5 Ma had spread throughout the Old World.
Anthropologists have been divided as to whether current human population evolved as one interconnected population (as postulated by the Multiregional Evolution hypothesis), or evolved only in East Africa, speciated, and then migrating out of Africa and replaced human populations in Eurasia (called the "Out of Africa" Model or the "Complete Replacement" Model).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution
I don't think you understand the question......the person that started this post said YOUR definition of Evolution, NOT what you can copy off of wikipedia. Just stick to your own guns, don't use someone else's information! I could post wiki quotes all day long, and it don't make ya smarter or more versed on the subject-It's what you know, not about what you can look up real quick to make an intelectual sounding, relative post!!
STOP CUTTING AND PASTING WIKI FACTS!!!! :thumbsup:
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HELLOOOOOOO!?!!!!
AREN'T WE IN THE DEBATE AND DISCUSS SECTION? If I can remember correctly...Am I in the wrong place??? No, I'm prettyy sure this IS DEBATE and DISCUSS!!!!
-Whew-that was scary!!!!!
Unfortunately marieelisa, I do not have the power to make spontaneous flames-so your request is unfounded.:dontknow:
I will get back to you on that one!
Speaking of flames-maybe this will make you feel all better inside!!!!! It always makes me feel better! :thumbsup:
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/4Z7ME7PVmQk/default.jpg
This is reccomended by my Daughter-Make sure you turn the volume way up, and have a beautiful time!!! :thumbsup:
Evolution is Not a "desperate attempt"-its proven scientific fact- and if it were not true, you wouldn't be holding that kitten of yours, because feral cats would have never evolved to become domesticated and trust humans-therefore no pet kitties for you, think about it!!!!!!!!!
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Evolution is Not a "desperate attempt"-its proven scientific fact- and if it were not true, you wouldn't be holding that kitten of yours, because feral cats would have never evolved to become domesticated and trust humans-therefore no pet kitties for you, think about it!!!!!!!!!
She has started trolling again. She has also told us she has some mental issues in the past. You aren't going to get anywhere with her so don't waste your powers of argumenting on someone incapable of learning the reality of things.
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I don't need a dictionary to discuss the process by which inevitable mutation to the individual's and the species genome
Internal and external conditions operate to change/damage the current DNA configuration. Lethal changes that impact the individuals survival or their ability to reproduce successfully lead to extinction. Beneficial changes lead to increased longevity and greater reproductive. If your parents didn't have any children, chances are that you won't either. Without secondary corroboration the Noah fable is hardly more than a myth. There is geologic evidence of a huge flood thousands of years in the area for the Black sea when it busted the natural dam that kept it filled. It flooded most of the known world. Not hard to see the start of a campfire story there. Soul you say? did you know the human corpse weighs 6 to 8 ounces less than the live specimen. That experiment has been done repeatedly. What is it that's lost at death? If Noah was 4000 years ago, Evidence demonstrates the Earth is about 4 1/2 Billion years old and the first fossils of single cells appear about 3 1/2 Billion yrs ago So if that was the origin of life. Evolution must be a very slow process the likelyhood of growing dogwings or chimpsouls overnight is pretty slim. I have a hard time seeing good or evil in any of these processes. And God? I hope you find Him if you need Him. I strongly suspect there is a force greater than humankind but I don't feel guided or led through life nor do I need it
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"An Ode to A Troll"
Trolls, Trolls - an irritating beast
They yell the loudest, but know the least
There is no point in reasoning or trying to teach
For they seem to know all, but truth's beyond their reach
They'll yell to be heard, with nothing to say
Rude and obnoxious, they 'delete' and run away
Until hiding behind a screen is just too appealing
And before you know it they're back,
With enough BS to leave your head reeling!
At cutting and pasting, they seem to be a master
But ask them for THEIR thoughts, and they run away all the faster
They leave behind a trail of hard to read postings,
Because looking like an A** doesn't fit with lies and boasting
At times they are hard to see, they play all 'goodnesss and light'
But eventually show their faces, because the TRUTH is a war they can't fight....
(I don't have to cite a 'credit' to anyone for this - I wrote it.)
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I challenge you or anyone to prove the validity of evolution as the origin of life. I mean viable proof. The father of evolution himself said in disappointment at the end of his "origin of species" that it required more faith to believe his theory of evolution than it did to believe in divine intervention, this was because he saw it as an unprovable theory. The proper definition for evolution is simply "change", which is something we all do in a sense. There is no scientific proof for evolution. You can put a dog in a cage and feed it thermal radiation for a thousand years and if it can breed it will still produce a dog. Big bang is an insult to my intelligence, and so is the idea that we came from some primordial soup. Crap in one hand and wish in the other and see which one fills up faster. Something will never come from nothing. It IS A SCIENTIFIC IMPOSSIBILITY!!!
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"An Ode to A Troll"
Very good! :notworthy:
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I challenge you or anyone to prove the validity of evolution as the origin of life. I mean viable proof.
Um, consult a scientist for that. Because us lowly laymen are not going to convince you.
The father of evolution himself said in disappointment at the end of his "origin of species" that it required more faith to believe his theory of evolution than it did to believe in divine intervention, this was because he saw it as an unprovable theory.
The "father" of evolution? I'll let that one slide..anyway, you are simply forgetting that Darwin lived 150 years ago - before countless scientific advances and an even a more in-depth FOSSIL RECORD. So of course with way less evidence and advancements than we have today he is going to say something like that.
There is no scientific proof for evolution.
You're not serious, are you?
Big bang is an insult to my intelligence, and so is the idea that we came from some primordial soup.
Boo-hoo. It's still true...grow up and deal with it. And anyway, I really don't understand how it could be insulting to one's intelligence. We should all be in awe of the universe!!
Crap in one hand and wish in the other and see which one fills up faster.
Exactly. Wish that a magical sky daddy made you, ignore science, and live your life like a schizophrenic and see how far that gets you.
Something will never come from nothing. It IS A SCIENTIFIC IMPOSSIBILITY!!!
Something didn't come from nothing. It is quite possible that energy has always existed, and it at least existed within a singularity that was the Big Bang...a.k.a. not "nothing"!
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Hmmm. What scientific data is there out there? 150 yrs. ago, or now. You seem to know what you are talking about. So give me the data. Big Bang happened? Prove it! What did the big bang consist of? What caused it? Something had to. What was the something and where did it come from? Was it energy? Where did this mysterious energy come from? Creationism takes no more faith than evolution. I'm not saying you should believe as I do. We are designed with the free-will to believe as we choose. Right or wrong. But I see more explanation for my life in the belief of creation then I do in nothing. What is my life for if that is true. Why are we as humans the only creature among life-forms which can reason? Why after thousands of years can apes not read a blueprint or put a cabinet together, or boil water? I'm just asking. I would have no problem with evolution if anyone could show me how it relates to who we are as humans. If it is true, what are we here for, and what is your purpose in life but to be born and to die. A persons life basically has no meaning. Which in effect brings up another topic for discussion. It would mean that there are no absolutes. Everything is relevant as long as you want it to be because there is no meaning to life. Let your child be molested and say that it isn't wrong. Let your wife be raped and say that it doesn't matter. Let someone break into your home and say that's ok to take what you have worked hard for. You very well could be right.
You might possibly be right. My belief is also based on faith(along with some pretty strong archeological evidence). And if you are right I will still be O.K. in the end, because it doesn't really matter. But what if I am right and you are the one who is wrong? Where does that leave you?
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"I would have no problem with evolution if anyone could show me how it relates to who we are as humans."
Are you serious or is that a trick question? I have to question, based on that alone and not even taking the other things you have written into consideration, if you actually KNOW what evolution even is. It relates to almost every single aspect of our development throughout recorded history.
"An Ode to A Troll"
Very good! :notworthy:
Thanks! By the way, I almost got physically ill from laughing at those other vids! ;D I can't wait to share them all with the 'reasonable C's'.
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Thanks for the dialogue. I didn't think you would be able to answer my questions anyway. Kind of odd considering you are so adamant that it is truth. Oh yeah, one more thing. Show me where the fossil record validates the theory of evolution? I guess that's another question i have that will have to go unanswered. Thanks anyway!
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"An Ode to A Troll"
Niiiiice.
Without secondary corroboration the Noah fable is hardly more than a myth. There is geologic evidence of a huge flood thousands of years in the area for the Black sea when it busted the natural dam that kept it filled. It flooded most of the known world. Not hard to see the start of a campfire story there.
There were many floods thousands of years ago just as there are all over the earth today. I'm not saying there is no way it did not happen-- I do believe something like it happened but just on a much more miniscule scale (man saves his herd on a raft or something). Most exhaggerations come from true events. The problem here is having 1 man get every animal on earth (while fending off inbreeding-- you need more than just 1 pair) onto a humongous boat. It's still a mythological concept.
If Noah was 4000 years ago, Evidence demonstrates the Earth is about 4 1/2 Billion years old and the first fossils of single cells appear about 3 1/2 Billion yrs ago So if that was the origin of life. Evolution must be a very slow process
Was Noahs tale 4000 years ago? I thought it was much older. And yes, evolution is/can be an extremely slow process-- microevolution being much quicker than macro obviously. TIME!
There is no scientific proof for evolution.
There is a gigantic pool of proof for evolution. You just need to do a lot more research considering your paragraph. If you've ever eaten fruit or vegetables from a place that sprays insecticides on their crops, you can be happy the developers can kill bugs that are constantly evolving into better forms to survive the insecticides. They constantly need to upgrade and invent new insecticides to fend off the new breeds. It's stacking up to be a huge problem-- many eastern nations have famine because they do not upgrade their sprays. Arr. Evolution be a harsh mistress.
Sickle cell anemia is more undeniable proof of evolution. Look into it! Interesting stuff.
You can put a dog in a cage and feed it thermal radiation for a thousand years and if it can breed it will still produce a dog.
It would probably kill the dog off first. And if it did manage reproduce, the pup would probably be sterile or die off quick. We've done experiments with frogs and fruit flies like this. I would suggest we stick with evolution through natural selection in this thread though.
Big bang is an insult to my intelligence
Reality can be really harsh sometimes. There is viable proof it happened though-- the universe is surrounded by a shield of background microwave radiation which implies there was a boom somewhere.
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What caused the boom? And if so, as I said what caused that which caused the boom? Even the boom had to have a beginning or it can't be possible. So if it is possible that means that it would have to had a cause. Where did the cause of the boom come from? I am not trying to prove creation here folks. I am only stating that you are saying that there was just nothingness, and one day in the expanse of time, something came from nothing. If the universe was created by an enormous explosion, what was there before that to start it? And you say that the story of the biblical flood is hard to believe. We may not be able to understand everything, but do not underestimate the reliability of these things you are so quick to call myths. I have my own view of how cultural and geological history came to be, which is very plausible and is not contrary to religious views on creation. Come on people!!! Prove to me the theory of evolution. Give me an explanation that is feasible!!!! Not just a few scientific viewpoints, and ideas! The latest version of the big bang is that the universe is expanding every day. Well how in the world does such a huge explosion in a place where there is constant speed from an objects movement, seem to be moving our universe apart at such a slow rate. An explosion that powerful would obviously have already moved our solar system out of its alignment by now, seeing as how its been millions of years. Explain the constant order of our solar system throughout recorded history if we are supposedly moving in an ever widening, chaotic, pattern. Shouldn't our solar system be scattered to the for winds of the universe by now?
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Hey Twood-- could you separate your sentences into paragraphs for us please? No offense-- it's just hard to keep my place.
You seem to know what you are talking about. So give me the data. Big Bang happened? Prove it! What did the big bang consist of? What caused it? Something had to. What was the something and where did it come from? Was it energy? Where did this mysterious energy come from?
We have yet to discover these things. There is only speculation. And yelling "GOD DID IT GOD DID IT" is just as bad as looking at a rainbow in the past and saying the same thing. We don't know (yet).
Creationism takes no more faith than evolution.
Evolution (science) is based on fact and speculation (hypotheses). Not faith. That's for religion. Two completely different things.
But I see more explanation for my life in the belief of creation then I do in nothing.
I really hate to get personal so please forgive me, but do you believe everything in the bible? Do you implore the existence the creationist museum?
If it is true, what are we here for, and what is your purpose in life but to be born and to die. A persons life basically has no meaning.
This bends to philosophy though! This is a good thing! You give it meaning personally and embrace the mystery of the universe. Religion enslaves fearful people and philosophies whereas evolution leaves room for the infinite. Metaphorically with religion you are given your food and that's all you can eat. Without it, you are free to choose whatever you want.
But what if I am right and you are the one who is wrong? Where does that leave you?
Well then that is one hell of a lottery number you picked. The thing is there are so many people out there with different beliefs that think they're right just as you do. Us agnostics and atheists just don't like the lottery. It's too defined in an unrealistic sense for us. Does this make sense? Fyi I respect your beliefs-- I'm just throwing some skepticism into the mix.
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Explain the constant order of our solar system throughout recorded history if we are supposedly moving in an ever widening, chaotic, pattern. Shouldn't our solar system be scattered to the for winds of the universe by now?
We are so small and miniscule in the universes size and timescale that we may never witness massive changes like these. That's not proof that they aren't happening though. We have witnessed many changes and movements in the universe. I'd go further into it, but I must get going for a while here. Sorry.
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Yes, as a matter of fact I do believe the biblical story of creation.
I find no problem with it. It actually explains many things.
No, I cannot say I can rightly interpret it all. Or validate the issue of its interpretation over time.
I am quite happy with my life and the idea of a creator. I see nothing that hinders me from being who I am.
I believe we all have free will to do as we please or believe as we want. But that does not mean I believe that all things are wise, or right, or beneficial.
I am simply asking for someone to please prove to me that evolution is true.
"Hypothesis", by the way, is merely a fancier way to say "theory".
Science has proven nothing concerning the big bang, OR macroevolution! It has only "hypothesized."
"to defined in an unrealistic sense"? What is remotely realistic about the idea that something came from nothing?
Somebody please, please explain this to me!!!!
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Yes, as a matter of fact I do believe the biblical story of creation. I find no problem with it. It actually explains many things.
Agnostics and atheists find this as a simple and closed route because it is incapable of change and produces ignorance to anything else that does not fit the religions viewpoint (not just christianity mind you). Science does the exact opposite-- it welcomes change and is willing to admit when it's wrong about something. Much like Edisons lightbulb, evolution has had many problems proving what works in nature and what does not. But once we have figured out how natural selection produces change over time (be it a small or large time frame), we have capitalized on that and found amazing things about life on this planet.
Correct me if I'm wrong here-- what I find strange is you find no problem in faithfully believing in a source that contains a talking snake, a man made from dirt and a woman made from a rib, a man parting a sea, a man building a humongous boat and getting every pair of animal in it, a man who draws strength from his hair, a jewish carpenter with super powers who has similar qualities to many different myths from previous cultures, etc. etc. Just think about the legitimacy in this vs. evolutionary theories.
I am simply asking for someone to please prove to me that evolution is true.
Technology! lol
Watch this-- VERY easy to follow and makes many good points. One of my favs-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmUGJ3Jh7fc
Edit: Okay so it's kind of offensive to christians...
What is remotely realistic about the idea that something came from nothing?
It didn't come from nothing. Queen already answered you on this-- "Something didn't come from nothing. It is quite possible that energy has always existed, and it at least existed within a singularity that was the Big Bang...a.k.a. not "nothing"!"
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When I got into my car yesterday, a yellow jacket (wasp) landed on the outside of my car window. I rolled down the window to shew it away and it started to fly in the window so a rolled up the window real quick! It climbed onto the side mirror and scurried around. I grabbed a newspaper and wound the window back down to shew it away...it flew to the rear side window! when I wound the window back up again...it flew BACK to the SIDE MIRROR and sat there moving its antenae and cocking its head. so I started the car and drove, thinking it would fly away! It was clinging on the mirror! I was afraid to open my window even though it was really HOT IN THE CAR. SO, I pulled over to the curb and gave my son, the rolled up paper. I told him to go around the back side of the car and sneak up stealthy behind it and shew the thing away. My son wasn't even behind the car yet...when IT SUDDENLY CLIMBED into a crevace in the corner OF THE MIRROR FRAME! I told my son to get back into the car and I started the engine. THE YELLOW JACKET CLIMBED OUT OF THE MIRROR frame and flew up and started fidgeting around the seal of MY WINDOW making loud buzzing sounds!!! I drove over to Starbucks a few blocks away...parked...jumped out of the car on MY SON'S SIDE...and stood on the side walk. From that distance we watched for several minutes while 'Cujo' the yellow jacket thoroughly examined my car's exterior. ( It was creepy & astonishing.) Until it finally flew away.
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I continue to hear this talk about energy(that may!) have existed, and now the possibility of inorganic matter as the source. Again I ask you what is the source of the source? What started it? In order for their to be energy or inorganic matter, something had to put it there. Energy can not produce more energy than it consumes, if it could we would have been able to replicate perpetual motion by now, and would have no need for the worlds current energy sources. You are all saying "look at this", or "how about this", but no one has been able to answer my question.
Where did the source originate from? What cause it?
As I said, you cannot answer energy or inorganic matter, unless you are willing to admit that there was something there to cause the energy or matter to exist.
By refusing to acknowledge this question you are indeed saying you believe something came from nothing.
I happen to believe that at one time there wasn't a universe as we know it. But through intelligent design, one was made by a creator. If there is a God out there, then it is possible.
I have a easy explanation for the origin of a complex and diverse universe, evolutionist do not.
And fyi: there are hordes of geneticist's, physicist's, biologist's, astronomer's, and scientist's of all field's who believe in the possibility of intelligent design.
And everyday in the field of science more and more holes are being shot into the theory of evolution.
And the number of scientist's who see no other way but through intelligent design is growing.
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What caused the boom?
We don't know yet. But I'm sure scientists will find out in my lifetime.
And if so, as I said what caused that which caused the boom? Even the boom had to have a beginning or it can't be possible.
Allow me to interrupt this statement by saying...what caused god? Why does he/she/it get a free pass on he/she/it's origins? If a magical sky daddy is allowed to have always existed, so then could the elements that make up our current universe. Now I'm not a scientist, but I think it is highly possible that Big Bangs of some sort have been happening forever. Once our current universe snuffs it via heat death or the like, eventually the whole process of creation will begin anew. And that is my answer for what happened before the Big Bang, and what will happen after this universe is destroyed.
Watch this great video on the Big Bang: Big Bang ! With Evidence - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PqJ2eEzD3o&feature=related
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You need to stop for just a minute and realize that what you have said regarding Intelligent Design shoots DOWN the entire Creationist Theory and thus the theory that God was in fact the Creator of all we know.
Biblical creationists and other theists object to Intelligent Design as failing to identify the alleged designer as the Christian/Creationist God. You are therefore contradicting yourself.
I have a easy explanation for the origin of a complex and diverse universe, evolutionist do not.
And fyi: there are hordes of geneticist's, physicist's, biologist's, astronomer's, and scientist's of all field's who believe in the possibility of intelligent design.
Of course scientists believe in inteliigent design, they use it everyday. They evaluate the evidence objectively without a pre-determined rule of interpretation that dictates that only unintelligent causes can be considered. It is used by archeologists, forensic scientists and investigators, cryptanalysis (code-breaking), arson investigators, and many more. They evaluate the evidence objectively - there is no pre-determined rule of interpretation that dictates that only unintelligent causes can be considered.
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But I see more explanation for my life in the belief of creation then I do in nothing. What is my life for if that is true.
Your life is for whatever you want it to be for. Isn't that great!
Why are we as humans the only creature among life-forms which can reason?
Because that's just where evolution left us all.
Why after thousands of years can apes not read a blueprint or put a cabinet together, or boil water? I'm just asking.
Actually, many animals are highly intelligent and even have feelings. Have you not heard how animals being slaughtered cry, how domestic cats have rescued their owners, how gorillas can communicate sign language, to name a few examples?
If it is true, what are we here for, and what is your purpose in life but to be born and to die. A persons life basically has no meaning.
Correct! Ding ding ding! The only technical reason we are here is to reproduce. Sorry if that depresses you, but it's true. Beyond that, you make your own meaning for your life.
It would mean that there are no absolutes. Everything is relevant as long as you want it to be because there is no meaning to life. Let your child be molested and say that it isn't wrong. Let your wife be raped and say that it doesn't matter. Let someone break into your home and say that's ok to take what you have worked hard for.
Yes, there are no absolutes in the purest sense. But as I've said before in other threads, just because there is no absolute morality does not mean it is beneficial to our species as a whole to do things that are harmful to one another! We're not going to last very long if everyone goes around pillaging and killing each other; that's not god, that's just common sense.
But what if I am right and you are the one who is wrong? Where does that leave you?
Pascal's Wager: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNcWdV0LYG4&playnext_from=TL&videos=vPRAzm3na34
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The problem here is having 1 man get every animal on earth (while fending off inbreeding-- you need more than just 1 pair) onto a humongous boat.
God supports incest, though! It's where we all came from!! Noah's Ark was the second major example of incest in the Bible. So you're like, my great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great uncle's nephew's grandfather's brother or something!!! :o
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By refusing to acknowledge this question you are indeed saying you believe something came from nothing.
Well I answered you after you said this, but Jesus, your tone is that of a demanding child. Like you're trying to ask a sh*t ton of questions to "throw off us track".
I have a easy explanation for the origin of a complex and diverse universe, evolutionist do not.
Yes, saying "god did it" is WAY easier. This sacrifice of thinking is why you're not a scientist, though.
And fyi: there are hordes of geneticist's, physicist's, biologist's, astronomer's, and scientist's of all field's who believe in the possibility of intelligent design.
FYI: 93% of scientists DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD (Source: National Academy of Sciences). Even way back in 1997, only 5% of scientists believed in the Creation story (Source: Gallup). So what are you talking about?
And everyday in the field of science more and more holes are being shot into the theory of evolution.
Quite the opposite.
Evolution - Evidence and "Gaps"...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nTnjx-JRzE&playnext_from=TL&videos=rCD7A7btvGI
Top Ten Creationist Arguments #1...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSxgnu3Hww8&playnext_from=TL&videos=ia11vl5oYfQ
Top Ten Creationist Arguments #2...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfZFsXfCy6s&playnext_from=TL&videos=pRXdmY44a1Y
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As I said before, I am not telling you that I can prove what the bible or any other religious text says.
I am telling you that you are so sure that creationists are wrong, yet you can't prove that evolution is right.
And as far as the origin of God is concerned, all I can say is that I am TOO UNINTELLIGENT to know the answer to that.
I know that the bible makes the claim that he always was, and always will be. The same, yesterday(beginning), today(the present), and forever(eternity).
How or why is a matter of faith, and I do not make the assumption that I am so smart as to be able to understand all the mysteries of the universe. And I'm O.K. with that.
I haven't once called any of you ignorant or closed-minded. I have only questioned your reasoning for believing so completely in evolution as the origin of the universe(and all within it).
Why am I closed-minded and ignorant to believe in a creator?
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Watched youtube video Evolution-evidence and "gaps"
1. Evidence is weak, and isn't substantial enough to validate evolution. It is merely her interpretation of the evidence presented.
2. Adaptation does not equal proof of evolution. Maybe adaptation is a gift from a higher power to us. Maybe it is one of the great complexity's of all life forms.
3. Atavism example: My answer: The anomaly of atavism may be nothing more that a mutation due to a complication's in the gnome.
4.Archaeopteryx example as transitional life form: My answer: O.K. ??? It possibly nothing more than an extinct bird. Do you know how many so-called transitional life forms have been found to be nothing more than hoax, mistakes, or misrepresentations of the facts. Some humanoid fossils were claimed to be TLF's, but turned out to be nothing more than people with deformity's. Some fossils have been claimed to be transitional fossils, only to be found to be from common animals. Sorry, that dog don't hunt sweetie.
If all it takes is a video with someone's interpretation of scientific data. Oh well.
As before, not trying to make you believe what I believe. But to convince me you will have to do much better than that.
Believe what you choose. It's your life, even if it is worthless, and without meaning.
The ability to choose right form wrong is not common sense, it is called conscience dear, and no creature other than a human has it. Feelings are just what they are...feelings.
As far as animals are concerned, feelings and instinct are not conscience. Sorry!
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As I said before, I am not telling you that I can prove what the bible or any other religious text says.
Gotcha. I'll try to remember that.
I am telling you that you are so sure that creationists are wrong, yet you can't prove that evolution is right.
We've already proved evolution to you in different forms. Refer to my insecticide and sickle-cell anemia example. It exists!
Adaptation does not equal proof of evolution. Maybe adaptation is a gift from a higher power to us. Maybe it is one of the great complexity's of all life forms.
Yes it does. Both contain natural selection in their terms. And if evolution is a gift from god, he's undoubtedly a really mean *bleep*. Evolution isn't a crystal-clean slap-happy process like many creationist theories are.
As I said, you cannot answer energy or inorganic matter, unless you are willing to admit that there was something there to cause the energy or matter to exist.
Yes, but this is not evidence of god. You have every right to think this, but you must acknowledge with our limited views that this could be nothing more than another "rainbow = god did it!" scenario. And no, again, something did not come from nothing when the 'nothing' you are referring to has not been discovered and defined yet. Your train of thought is going "Well since he's never been to Canada, he does not think it exists! He thinks there's nothing there!". We're saying "Canada exists, but we don't know what's there yet. We have to go there to find out."
I have a easy explanation for the origin of a complex and diverse universe.
"Rainbows = God did it!"
And fyi: there are hordes of geneticist's, physicist's, biologist's, astronomer's, and scientist's of all field's who believe in the possibility of intelligent design.
And everyday in the field of science more and more holes are being shot into the theory of evolution.
And the number of scientist's who see no other way but through intelligent design is growing]
No offense, but all of this is furthest from the truth. You need to do a bit more research before saying things like this.
Why am I closed-minded and ignorant to believe in a creator?
Well hey, you seem to ask some legit questions which is cool. I think all of the comments calling you close-minded just pertain to you not acknowledging what we've already discovered and defined. Your beliefs and knowledge just seem to super-scattered and you're asking and mixing all these questions that we're all confused by you. We've all seen certain mind games played where the skeptic throws far too much into the argument to confuse the opponents, and then the skeptic tries to claim the highground when the opponents can't keep track of what the skeptic is trying to get at. You're throwing way too many things all over the room here. It's not convenient for us to answer you which is...well...kind of rude. If you're going to jump around, atleast quote the person you're talking to.
The ability to choose right form wrong is not common sense, it is called conscience dear, and no creature other than a human has it. Feelings are just what they are...feelings.As far as animals are concerned, feelings and instinct are not conscience. Sorry!
"Right and Wrong" can change depending on environment. This works with both humans and animals in many different equations. Animals just rely on instinct more as their minds aren't as developed as ours are.
Believe what you choose. It's your life, even if it is worthless, and without meaning.
We've been over this before. You alone are responsible for giving it how many combinations of meaning you want.
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I do not make the assumption that I am so smart as to be able to understand all the mysteries of the universe. And I'm O.K. with that.
But that's exactly what religion does by saying, "God did it - case closed."
I haven't once called any of you ignorant or closed-minded.
That's good because that would be very dishonest of you to do so. Ignorance comes from a purposeful lack of knowledge, and close-mindedness is being unwilling to consider realities that might not make you feel good. Most atheists/agnostics used to be believers until they increased their KNOWLEDGE.
I have only questioned your reasoning for believing so completely in evolution as the origin of the universe(and all within it).
Because I can trust science for technology, medicine, EVERYTHING!
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Evolution is Not a "desperate attempt"-its proven scientific fact- and if it were not true, you wouldn't be holding that kitten of yours, because feral cats would have never evolved to become domesticated and trust humans-therefore no pet kitties for you, think about it!!!!!!!!!
She has started trolling again. She has also told us she has some mental issues in the past. You aren't going to get anywhere with her so don't waste your powers of argumenting on someone incapable of learning the reality of things.
Point taken!! Thanks again, its just so hard to resist sometimes!!!! :BangHead: :thumbsup: :heart: :peace:
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:dontknow: All I would like to add at this point is that it would have to be a cruel God to give us fins, feathers and a tail. Then without reason cast us naked to the ground with nothing more than a coating of pink playdoh to protect our immortal soul. :angel12: I mean seriously what was he thinking?! :sad1: I believe, that in the process of trying to figure out WTF happened...we as a people, developed language and became Einsteins so that we can curse the living daylights out of god...for eternity. (and thats pretty much what we've done) So, lets just love one another...it was a well designed plan...from any angle. I am glad everything worked out, now, and its so easy to assign blame, but lets just go with the Big Bang Theory...its clear cut, to the point, no guilt and less filling. Why cloud the issue? I mean really... :bunny: I'm happy :bunny: ...UB happy too!. ;D
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:dontknow: All I would like to add at this point is that it would have to be a cruel God to give us fins, feathers and a tail. Then without reason cast us naked to the ground with nothing more than a coating of pink playdoh to protect our immortal soul. :angel12: I mean seriously what was he thinking?! :sad1: I believe, that in the process of trying to figure out WTF happened...we as a people, developed language and became Einsteins so that we can curse the living daylights out of god...for eternity. (and thats pretty much what we've done) So, lets just love one another...it was a well designed plan...from any angle. I am glad everything worked out, now, and its so easy to assign blame, but lets just go with the Big Bang Theory...its clear cut, to the point, no guilt and less filling. Why cloud the issue? I mean really... :bunny: I'm happy :bunny: ...UB happy too!. ;D
...What?
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I have no idea what all that was either, but I guess if you make all your posts in very large letters, with lots of colors and emoticons, it holds more meaning.... :P
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Ok.... this is my opinion on the so called evolution theory... It is nothing more than an attempt by man to disprove the existence of our Heavenly Father. Man has been influenced by evil for thousands and thousands of years, and today those who are so strongly guided by greed, lust, anger, gluttony, pride, vanity, and many other forms of sin have created more ways to try and say that Jahovah, Our Father in Heaven does not truly exist. The term evolution is a derivative of an phrase from satanic cult thousands of years ago that they chanted... the phrase was "evil lives on". I myself have no use for the term in either form, I am a child of God and will speak his praises. I pray for all those who deny Him now, for one day you will know the truth but it may be to late for your soul then.
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I also see a very bad car accident coming your way :thumbsup:
OMG you're crazy.
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See you Falconer02 are calling me a troll because you realize you can't win in an argument with me so you have to resort to name calling and putting me down. That is sad! You are a sad little boy.
Welcome to the Club of people marieelissa has dubbed "little children", Falc! It's okay, it's where all of the cool kids hang out, anywayz. ;D
And the reason he can't "win an argument" with you, marie, is because it's like arguing with a [insert politically-incorrect term for a 'special' person].
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Have the last word. I am just gonna tell you. You are lucky you are on the internet because if you were in my face, you would of been knocked out a long time ago. You better learn how to treat people better or your a*s will be on the ground.
This post has been quoted so it can be recorded, for obvious reasons.
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I'm sick of this, Marie. You've trolled this forum for too long. Now you've gone too far this time threatening people with violence and death who are trying to have discussions and arguments on evolution. Go ahead and delete your posts. I've already reported you to the mods and this post holds ample proof of your childish ways.
-- MARIEELISA'S POSTS RECORDED HERE. CLICK "REPORT TO MODERATOR" IN THE LOWER RIGHT FOR THREATENING USERS --
Edit: If she deletes her posts, use this one as the complaint.
Better yet why waste your time arguing with anyone on here. You won't get anywhere with them. Falconer02 you need to stop trolling because if you think I am trolling I am not and that is just how I am. I am not doing it on purpose and you should learn that.
See you Falconer02 are calling me a troll because you realize you can't win in an argument with me so you have to resort to name calling and putting me down. That is sad! You are a sad little boy.
I also see a very bad car accident coming your way
Believe what the hell you want. Why argue? I have the freedom to believe the sky is purple if I so choose to. We are in America. You're right, I am a special person. A very gifted, blessed, unique individual. Trying to Understand me is like trying to understand why there are crop circles and designs in fields that can only be seen from the sky. I am mysterious.
Why don't you just go sit on it.
Have the last word. I am just gonna tell you. You are lucky you are on the internet because if you were in my face, you would of been knocked out a long time ago. You better learn how to treat people better or your a*s will be on the ground.
Edit: Images attached below. I'm going hardcore here.
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Falconer, I just clicked it.
This has got to stop, Marie. Whether you threaten in person or on the internet it is still a threat. Your psychotic behaviour and thinking has no business on this site. You need to get some help, but I doubt that will happen.
I may be older, but I am proud to be one of 'the kids' you cannot stand up to like an adult. All the crap you have spewed is exactly what gives so many 'godly Christians' the bad rep they have now. I can go so far as to imagine you marching in step with hate groups all over this country and all in the name of God.
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Well falconer02 I told you I was psychic and I just gave you a prediction. I only like predicting the bad things! I have tried reporting you to the moderator for calling me a troll and ignorant and an idiot and making fun of me and everything else and they did nothing.
I have also tried to get you to stop because as you know we are in a debate and discussion but for some reason no one can debate and discuss with me without name calling and talking down to me.
liljp was another one but he finally left me alone.
I am not threating you FOR OBVIOUS REASONS!! I AM JUST WARNING YOU because I know what any other person would do if you were doing what you were doing to me to them.
AND I AM SORRY ADMIN, IF THEY WERE DOING THIS TO ME IN PERSON, I WOULD KNOCK THEM OUT BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE ON MY PROPERTY AND I WOULD FEAR FOR MY LIFE.
You really take all the fun out of a Debate and discussion topic. :BangHead: :bs:
You are sitting there telling everyone I am a troll and a weirdo and that I have mental problems and flip out when I try to stick up for myself.
I have to remind myself this is just the internet and you will never meet me, you will never know who I am.
I think the admin knows you have been pushing me around and I was trying to get you to stop.
I can't help it, it pisses me off when people talk about me like that. I will go join another forum and talk religion because it figures, I am the one without fault and didn't start it but I will be banned.
The only troll I see is you. Good job! Go find someone else to terrorize because I am done!
Quoted.
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I'm quoting this one too.
EDIT: Oh queen beat me to it.
She's playing the victim card. It's so screwed up...wow...
For reference, everything I said to her in the past that may have been taken as offensive was actually her doing those things by definition. Such as trolling. Let's hope the admin takes care of it. Let's get back on topic though.
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m-elissa,
You said yourself that you have mental problems - I copied and saved it, so go ahead and deny it. It is 'people' (and I use that term loosely) like you that ruin discussions because you lack the ability to discuss any viewpoint other than your own. There is nothing wrong with Falconer or 99.9% of the posters on here. That brings to mind an old saying: "Watch pointing the finger at someone else. While you are, there are 3 pointing back at you."
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Hey Meco! Welcome to zeh forum.
Ok.... this is my opinion on the so called evolution theory... It is nothing more than an attempt by man to disprove the existence of our Heavenly Father.
No it's not really. It could, but that's not the point of it. It's an attempt to understand the origins of life through realistic means- applying physical experiments instead of sitting back and saying a metaphysical being did it all. If anything, it just disproves old myths with exhaggerated realities.
Man has been influenced by evil for thousands and thousands of years, and today those who are so strongly guided by greed, lust, anger, gluttony, pride, vanity, and many other forms of sin have created more ways to try and say that Jahovah, Our Father in Heaven does not truly exist.
It's JEhovah fyi. Influenced by evil? Most of the things you listed can have good qualities-- it's not black and white. Anger is not always bad. It's healthy. Being proud of ones self once in a while isn't bad. It inspires motivation. And if you lust for a girl or guy, it does not mean you're evil. It means you're human. I'm not evil for thinking this. I'm just aware of my humanity.
The term evolution is a derivative of an phrase from satanic cult thousands of years ago that they chanted... the phrase was "evil lives on".
I've never heard of this nor do I see any proof of this. Proof plz.
I myself have no use for the term in either form, I am a child of God and will speak his praises. I pray for all those who deny Him now, for one day you will know the truth but it may be to late for your soul then.
So you're against cults from 1000's of years ago but here you're using tribal curses on us since we don't believe the same way you do. I'm confused...
It sounds like you should do more research on evolution before folding your arms on this one. Unless you can sport undeniable evidence of Jehovah? Bring him or one of his angels down here to talk? That sounds like it shouldn't be too hard to do if you're an omnipotent being.
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Well falconer02 I told you I was psychic and I just gave you a prediction. I only like predicting the bad things! I have tried reporting you to the moderator for calling me a troll and ignorant and an idiot and making fun of me and everything else and they did nothing.
I have also tried to get you to stop because as you know we are in a debate and discussion but for some reason no one can debate and discuss with me without name calling and talking down to me.
liljp was another one but he finally left me alone.
I am not threating you FOR OBVIOUS REASONS!! I AM JUST WARNING YOU because I know what any other person would do if you were doing what you were doing to me to them.
AND I AM SORRY ADMIN, IF THEY WERE DOING THIS TO ME IN PERSON, I WOULD KNOCK THEM OUT BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE ON MY PROPERTY AND I WOULD FEAR FOR MY LIFE.
You really take all the fun out of a Debate and discussion topic. :BangHead: :bs:
You are sitting there telling everyone I am a troll and a weirdo and that I have mental problems and flip out when I try to stick up for myself.
I have to remind myself this is just the internet and you will never meet me, you will never know who I am.
I think the admin knows you have been pushing me around and I was trying to get you to stop.
I can't help it, it pisses me off when people talk about me like that. I will go join another forum and talk religion because it figures, I am the one without fault and didn't start it but I will be banned.
The only troll I see is you. Good job! Go find someone else to terrorize because I am done!
Sooooooo, your psychic AND Religious at the same time?
Wow, Dr phil says there are ten signs that indicate you may be a serial killer-you have 20 of them!!!
Marie, you are wacko-jacko!!!!!
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There are 10 signs but I have 20. hmm that don't add up. So you don't believe people can be psychic? Or you just don't think I can be?
No, I just think your'e nutz, and the statement was a joke marieelisa. You cant debate or discuss anything, so you begin to insult people and threaten them? What the hell is wrong with you? I suggest you watch your tounge, marieelissa. Please don't make statements that you can't back up.
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Go to bed like a good girl, Marieelisa! :wave:
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Here's a good link about Darwin, this is not a dictionary btw.
http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/origin_of_man_05.html
"Now runs away before Falconor and his gang throws stones at me.
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Now runs away before Falconor and his gang throws stones at me.
Gang? They're just free-minded people that have parallel reasonings. There's no gang.
What do you think about "Evilution", despite the overwhelming viewable evidence of certain types of it found in nature?
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I also see a very bad car accident coming your way :thumbsup:
OMG you're crazy.
yikes!...this thread has suddenly got very UNfun. :angry7: meanies and crazy people. :(
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I also see a very bad car accident coming your way :thumbsup:
OMG you're crazy.
yikes!...this thread has suddenly got very UNfun. :angry7: meanies and crazy people. :(
I think it's pretty entertaining. And I'm mean for calling her crazy for wishing ill on my friend? What?
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That's the problem when
a) Someone doesn't read the entire thread or
b) The offending parts, that have virtually nothing to do with the topic, are removed
We should all, if over the age of 18, be aware that 2 things bring out the best and the worst in people - politics and religion. These are NOT necessarily what I put into the category of 'fun', as opposed to the much deeper questions put out there such as "What do you like to dress your cat in for special occasions and holidays?" or "Is it okay to have full sleeve tattoos if you're in the Miss America Pageant?"
I am starting to wonder if a remake of "Mean Girls" is coming. You might garner a starring role, queen, and I can play the older and wiser one who eggs you on! ;)
(edit: Just reread this and doesn't sound right to say I am 'wiser', so scratch that and just keep the older part. :thumbsup:)
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(edit: Just reread this and doesn't sound right to say I am 'wiser', so scratch that and just keep the older part. :thumbsup:)
Aww, thanks. Yes, some of us young ones are "old souls"...without the souls. ;)
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GO RED SOX!!!!!
I LOVE "this" game!!!!
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Wow. This topic blew up like Kirstie Alley at a buffet. :o
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Wow. This topic blew up like Kirstie Alley at a buffet. :o
lol Don't worry; it can be redeemed...we just have to pray ta Jesus.
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What caused the boom? And if so, as I said what caused that which caused the boom? Even the boom had to have a beginning or it can't be possible. So if it is possible that means that it would have to had a cause. Where did the cause of the boom come from? I am not trying to prove creation here folks. I am only stating that you are saying that there was just nothingness, and one day in the expanse of time, something came from nothing.
The problem with this, is that you are starting off with a false premise. This would be analogous to me saying, "The Biblical creation is obviously untrue, as there is no giant panda who whittled the Earth from a tree". Well, no Creationist says this. No scientist says something came from nothing. Your concept of nothing came from the Bible. And you're projecting it onto science and asking them to explain something they don't say. They say that there is no such thing as "nothing". Nothingness is an abstract concept(as is "something"). Scientist state that both energy and matter have always existed and that there is no "nothingness". It's a human invented philosophical tool used to describe a percieved lack of "something".
Tl;dr
So something didn't come from nothing. There was always something.
Energy can not produce more energy than it consumes
The universe isn't running out of energy. The same amount exists now as always. There is a small loss of energy to black holes. The energy still exists, it's just no longer availible so to speak in our universe for the moment. When the next big bang happens, all of the energy will be released again.
The latest version of the big bang is that the universe is expanding every day. Well how in the world does such a huge explosion in a place where there is constant speed from an objects movement, seem to be moving our universe apart at such a slow rate. An explosion that powerful would obviously have already moved our solar system out of its alignment by now, seeing as how its been millions of years. Explain the constant order of our solar system throughout recorded history if we are supposedly moving in an ever widening, chaotic, pattern. Shouldn't our solar system be scattered to the for winds of the universe by now?
You seem to misunderstand gravity. Our "solar sysytem" isn't an entitty. It's defined by the planets within and their location near the sun. Our sun IS moving at a different speed in proportion to the rest of the galaxy and indeed the entire universe. The planets stay near the Sun due to it's gravitational pull.
What causes gravity in the first place is that larger bodies don't move as quickly through space. This draws smaller bodies to them.
The father of evolution himself said in disappointment at the end of his "origin of species" that it required more faith to believe his theory of evolution than it did to believe in divine intervention,
No he didn't. This is a common fabrication by creationist groups. They also say that Darwin recanted on his death bed. He did not. His family confirms this.
If it is true, what are we here for, and what is your purpose in life but to be born and to die. A persons life basically has no meaning.
If you care so little for your friends, your wife, your children that life would become hollow for you without God, then that is truly tragic.
But what if I am right and you are the one who is wrong? Where does that leave you?
In the same place it leaves you if Prophet Mohammed was right and Moses/Jesus/Paul were wrong.
I am simply asking for someone to please prove to me that evolution is true.
What specific thing would you need to prove this? If you need a detailed fossil record, I will provide it. If you want the big bang proved, that's not Evolution. Nor is abiogenesis.
"Hypothesis", by the way, is merely a fancier way to say "theory".
Gravity is a theory. The theory of atomic matter, used to create the nuclear bombs we deployed in Japan is still a theory. It's both a theory and a fact. Anything that cannot be a law, is a theory. Evolution is too broad to be a law. Just like the atomic theory of matter, and the theory of gravity, evolution is both theory and fact.
Science has proven nothing concerning the big bang, OR macroevolution! It has only "hypothesized."
Macro ecolution is simply microevoultion over a long period of time.
To explain macro evolution cosider the following.
Open up a paint program. Set to 255 red and 0 blue and 0 green.
Now, take 1 away from red and add 1 to blue. It's now 254 red and 1 blue.
Keep doing this.
At what point does it stop being "red" and become "purple".
The answer is, there is no specific point. It just slowly changes.
Just like how a small tree dwelling dinosaur slowly grows feathers and slowly gains an abilty to fly. At what point did they become "birds". There's not a specifc day when they became birds. Every millennia they just became a little more bird like.
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Now runs away before Falconor and his gang throws stones at me.
Gang? They're just free-minded people that have parallel reasonings. There's no gang.
What do you think about "Evilution", despite the overwhelming viewable evidence of certain types of it found in nature?
http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/origin_of_man_05.html
DARWINISM REFUTED FOREVER ;D
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If you care so little for your friends, your wife, your children that life would become hollow for you without God, then that is truly tragic.
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In the same place it leaves you if Prophet Mohammed was right and Moses/Jesus/Paul were wrong.
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Evolution is Amazing!!!!!! Wouldn't be here without it!!!!! :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :wave:
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DARWINISM REFUTED FOREVER
This isn't an explanation. And I doubt you are incapable of explaning why evolution is wrong when you've called it "evilution" in the past. If you're just going to throw links at us without properly explaining it, go post on a lesser topic that does not require it.
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DARWINISM REFUTED FOREVER
This isn't an explanation. And I doubt you are incapable of explaning why evolution is wrong when you've called it "evilution" in the past. If you're just going to throw links at us without properly explaining it, go post on a lesser topic that does not require it.
Heeeeeyyy, isn't this the same guy who referenced Biggie Smalls death in one of his religious debate post????? :angry7: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/origin_of_man_05.html
DARWINISM REFUTED FOREVER ;D
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Is this supposed to be more convincing than any other site out there? I can start a site saying that we are the descendants of fish people from Atlantis. I can list all the things I consider to be evidence supporting my theory. That will not make it true.
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Oh btw Rastov, excellent excellent excellent post. A pleasure to read. Loved the paint example.
Heeeeeyyy, isn't this the same guy who referenced Biggie Smalls death in one of his religious debate post??
I guess so!
I can start a site saying that we are the descendants of fish people from Atlantis. I can list all the things I consider to be evidence supporting my theory. That will not make it true.
DON'T TRASH MY BELIEFS! I can prove you speak the truth of my fishlord. Here, turn to Salmon chapter 12:36 "Do unto not the fish as to that would be the fishstick to you." that further proves I'm right when we turn to chapter Sardine 23:12 where it points out that "(you) must be quick to create crazy examples to lose your opponents in thought. Be like the octopus that plays the drums.". If you don't agree with me, I will pray that in your next aquatic life that the fishlord does not immediatly slaughter and can you on a grocery store shelf.
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DON'T TRASH MY BELIEFS! I can prove you speak the truth of my fishlord. Here, turn to Salmon chapter 12:36 "Do unto not the fish as to that would be the fishstick to you." that further proves I'm right when we turn to chapter Sardine 23:12 where it points out that "(you) must be quick to create crazy examples to lose your opponents in thought. Be like the octopus that plays the drums.". If you don't agree with me, I will pray that in your next aquatic life that the fishlord does not immediatly slaughter and can you on a grocery store shelf.
Hahaha. So that's why god is the Alpha and the Omega-3!
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DON'T TRASH MY BELIEFS! I can prove you speak the truth of my fishlord. Here, turn to Salmon chapter 12:36 "Do unto not the fish as to that would be the fishstick to you." that further proves I'm right when we turn to chapter Sardine 23:12 where it points out that "(you) must be quick to create crazy examples to lose your opponents in thought. Be like the octopus that plays the drums.". If you don't agree with me, I will pray that in your next aquatic life that the fishlord does not immediatly slaughter and can you on a grocery store shelf.
Cthulhu would totally pwn your fishlord.
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Evolution is what people believe in when they don't believe in God.
This is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen. Evolution is a scientific FACT, sorry. And it doesn't necessarily have a correlation with disbelief in god because many Christians "believe" in it.
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Evolution is what people believe in when they don't believe in God
Careful, people. Troll alert.
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I swear i was trying to see how this thing worked FINALLY :notworthy:
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Another classic copy-paste from marieelissa.
Well evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things
Do you seriously think I don't already know this? The point is, we may not have every single data piece in or the exact workings of how it happened, but the fact is, evolution DID happen. And that conflicts strongly with anyone who believes the Bible is the inerrant word of god, because like I've mentioned before, it's quite clear in Genesis that humans and animals were created separately, and in 7 days no less rather than millions of years.
In light of this clear conflict, a Christian needs to either (1) reject evolution and resort to fairytales about a dirtman and ribwoman (thus treating the Bible as god's perfect word - like they're supposed to) (2) "read between the lines" and make up their own version of what happened; like oh, the Christian god totally could have used evolution...even though that doesn't make sense if they stopped to think about it. Why would god waste so much time evolving humans when he could have just gone, *poof* there it is LIKE THE BIBLE SAYS happened? Did the first amoebas have souls??
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A lot of people ask Why, Why, Why towards God's logic and what he does. He does what he does because he can and he is God.
Ooh, Hitler would have loved you. You would have been so obedient. :D
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All I know is when I was born, it was like *Poof* here I am.
Now marie, when a mommy and a daddy really love each other...
I suggest you watch the movie Bruce Almighty where Morgan Freeman plays God. You will see Morgan Freeman mopping the floor, you know God doesn't have to do that right? Well, he enjoyed it.
Hahaha! Seriously? I have happened to see that movie, and I think it's hilarious that you are drawing these deep conclusions from a film that was made by people for ENTERTAINMENT. Do you think you helped bring Tinkerbell back to life by clapping in Peter Pan, too? ;)
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Evolution is mans attempt to find out how and why we are here.
No, I'm afraid it isn't. Evolution occured regardless of our desire to find out how and why we are here. Just like the universe existed before we discovered its existence. Just like the world was round even when everyone believed it to be flat.
And as for those who say you can only believe in God or evolution, and not both: perhaps the best Biology lecture I ever had was from a professor at APSU. He was both a Biology Professor AND a well-respected minister at his church. The way he told us to "break the ice" so to speak, when teaching people about evolution was to say this: "Do you have parents? (yes) Are you different from both your parents? (yes) Are any of your family members identical (note that even identical twins are different in small ways)? (no)" He would then tell them they have proof of evolution, which is the change in a population over time. So long as change is occurring, evolution is as well.
As for creationism vs. early evolution, he interepreted the Creation to have been spread over an extended period of time. He said that perhaps, to God, a single day for him could represent millions of years to us.
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As for creationism vs. early evolution, he interepreted the Creation to have been spread over an extended period of time. He said that perhaps, to God, a single day for him could represent millions of years to us.
That's actually interesting. I had never thought of the Creation Story in terms of warped time from God's perspective. That's actually semi-intriguing.
Which gives the question, could God just be operating at the speed of light? (This would severely distort the time, make him invisible to everyone, and he could actually be there when people "feel his presence") This could actually mean that our ascendance into heaven is purely our spirit just leaving our body and flying around the earth at the speed of light. Sounds serene, huh?
I HAVE SINGLE HANDILY FOUND THE TRUTH!!!! (J/K)
(P.S I don't actually believe God is flying around at the speed of light, but I'm sure someone somewhere if they got ahold of this they could sell it that way and make millions off poor gullible people.
Then Again, who's to say that's not actually true. :dontknow:)
My theory on the whole thing is that God did create us, but then he kind of looked the other way, insert explanation of free will here, to do as we pleased and let us learn from our imperfections or troubles. The animals adapted to the environments that we encroached on and whatever and humans did as well. Evolution is undeniable, people, plants, and animals are still evolving as we speak the only difference in most peoples beliefs is to the extent that it is believed to have taken.
Do I believe that a Duck could turn into a Eagle because of evolution, given as many years as you see fit to justify it and the right circumstances?
No way, the differences in species are far too vast. There is no way that a Duck could be forced to become a giant bird of prey just because of specific circumstances.
Do I think a Duck could turn into a different subspecies of Duck that was more focused on being a predator?
Sure thing, it can ADAPT and evolve to what it is given within reason. Its not going to just be swimming along one day and say, "Gee I really wish I was a fish, and I'm going to try my very best to be one and make sure all my descendants do too until we achieve success" and down the line just POOF turn into a fish. Its just not going to happen.
Adaptation: Oh, yea. without a doubt.
Evolution: Within reason.
In short. Ape into man: No way in hell. Less developed person into a better one: Of course. (This can be seen even in very short terms as well, reference people in say....the 1700's vs people now. Some might argue that better grasp of knowledge=an evolution in itself.)