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As a mother of three wonderful children I raise my kids with morals human morals..They are taught to love all nature, animal,human and peoples ideas and beliefs.. When they were born I made a choice that they would be born open minded open to all ideas not forced into one or another..To base their own beliefs on what they think not others.. We taught them there may or may not be a God we do not know therefore we live openly..And so far my kids are very very loving ,open and non biased children so I think we did a awesome job!
I have seen God fearing children and it is sad to me in my experience they are fearful of everything..They miss out on the joys of learning right from wrong ..Instead they are forced to believe something up above watches them and knows their sins and they must live by his word..It is like a boogeyman who decides if they are god worthy or not..
My oldest daughter went to church with a friend to experience it for herself which is wonderful it was her choice..She came back frightened and upset..Why?? Because she was a sinner..He family may have sinned...Her Godfather was going to hell cause he was gay..Needless to say she does not want to go back nor do I blame her all I said is hun respect what they believe it may not seem right but it is their way..She smiled and said I understand mom but why would a god want to be controlling?? Why not be all loving and let us find him on our own??This is from a 13 year old..I think they are smart questions..
Anywhoo God fearing children or Moral raised children which is your way and why??
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Well firstly the term "God fearing" is misrepresented here, and is often misinterpreted. Fear of God for believers is not tremble in your boots and wait to be struck by God's wrath it's speaking of reverence and awe. Hebrews 12:28-29 is a good description of this: “Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe, for our ’God is a consuming fire.’” This reverence and awe is exactly what the fear of God means for Christians. This is the motivating factor for us to surrender to the Creator of the Universe.
My daughter doesn't fear God and she has not just sympathy for people but empathy. She is 11 years old and still naive to people's motives at times but her teacher told me she is amazed at my daughters behavior towards to the children that bully her. One girl that punched my daughter in the face several months before, was sitting alone crying at lunch and my daughter went and sat by her . The teacher wrote me a note about it. When someone made of the bully for talking to my daughter she got up and threw her milk all over her. My daughter came home upset, she never expressed any hatred towards her she said...."you know what mom, I'm just gonna pray for her, I think her step dad is mean to her and I think I just need to pray".
So, I don't know what "God fearing" children you are seeing but don't categorize all of them. Children who are taught Godly morals are nothing to be sad about.
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You and your children are not the type I am referring to hun..It is what I have experienced where they are scared and worried...To me that is God fearing they look at god as some sort of boogeyman and That I see as wrong..To introduce God is different to force it is instilling fear in some ways..I commend you for introducing it correctly..Thanks for response hun ;D
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Children don't have to worry about going to hell...it isn't until you hit like 13...the age of understanding or the better word, I can't think of.
There is a hell...we can't lie.
The age of accountability? By inference from Numbers 14.29, a "child" is a person who is aged 19 or younger.
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There really isn't a specific age marie. I used to think along the same lines myself and it had me worried...thinking "have I reached accountability yet? Am I going to hell because I'm old enough to know better?" (In this case I was probably one of the children BW is talking about) I misunderstood what adults were saying and it had me scared.
But there is no specific age because children learn and mature at different levels, additionally this gives one the misconception that there comes a point when you have to "be good enough" to get to heaven which isn't true. You reach accountability for things when you hear, understand, and choose to act or not on that understanding and that comes at different ages for different aspects of spiritual growth and it's different for every person.
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There really isn't a specific age marie. I used to think along the same lines myself and it had me worried...thinking "have I reached accountability yet? Am I going to hell because I'm old enough to know better?" (In this case I was probably one of the children BW is talking about) I misunderstood what adults were saying and it had me scared.
But there is no specific age because children learn and mature at different levels, additionally this gives one the misconception that there comes a point when you have to "be good enough" to get to heaven which isn't true. You reach accountability for things when you hear, understand, and choose to act or not on that understanding and that comes at different ages for different aspects of spiritual growth and it's different for every person.
Excellent explanation of the age of accountability Sherna.
My son was raised with Christian morals and values. He's married to a wonderful Christian woman and I have 3 wonderful grandsons. They attend church, and my son is the spiritual leader of his home, and raise his sons the same as I raised him. He works for a major Fortune 500 company, travels the world for his job, and is highly respected among his peers, in and out of the church. Being raised a Christian didn't hurt him one bit, in fact it gave him a good foundation in how he conducts himself in the business community. I never had a bit of trouble with him growing up. He's honest, reliable, and dependable. I'm so proud to be his mom.
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As a mother of three wonderful children I raise my kids with morals human morals..They are taught to love all nature, animal,human and peoples ideas and beliefs.. When they were born I made a choice that they would be born open minded open to all ideas not forced into one or another..To base their own beliefs on what they think not others.. We taught them there may or may not be a God we do not know therefore we live openly..And so far my kids are very very loving ,open and non biased children so I think we did a awesome job!
Thank you.
My oldest daughter went to church with a friend to experience it for herself which is wonderful it was her choice..She came back frightened and upset..Why?? Because she was a sinner..He family may have sinned...Her Godfather was going to hell cause he was gay..Needless to say she does not want to go back nor do I blame her all I said is hun respect what they believe it may not seem right but it is their way..She smiled and said I understand mom but why would a god want to be controlling?? Why not be all loving and let us find him on our own??This is from a 13 year old..I think they are smart questions..
Your daughter is vastly ahead of her time when it comes to philosophical thought. The belief in such an evil deity is ridiculous as it is primitive. Maybe you should tell her of the "unattended stove" example that Queen made a thread about just to counter any closed-minded arguments she may receive about the fictional places. To both of you-- good work.
Anywhoo God fearing children or Moral raised children which is your way and why??
It works either way. One just has to carry a heavier and needless load. I think you know my side though :)
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Butterfly; my bioligacal parents did the same but they wanted me to explore ALL religions not just one. They gave me the choice. Now I married a Christian and our oldest daughter asked us if she could go to church, I was happy (I know again most people would not think I was) But the reason I was so happy was because she wanted to make her OWN choices in life regarding religion. Wether she stays with religion is her choice. As I told my husband that I will take her to any church or help her learn of any religion, as I did, if she asks at anytime in life.
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Yeah so why not attack your daughter the way you do others for believing in God. Does she know how you speak of religion?
Well yes, thank you for asking me that. Yes I am very open with my children. And is my husband with hes religion.
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And I would never attack my daughter as she does not attack others like you do when you make fun of other beliefs. And yes you know you have ANY belief!
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You could never do that to your kids...but strangers...ooh yeah, bring it on...this is the beast inside people, I am speaking about.
Not that is me sticking up for what I believe in. People with morals have feelings for all you have put down. I may not believe in everything you post but when you post something you know nothing about but rather bringing that religion down I will say something.
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Falconer thanks I am really proud of my daughter and how she is very open minded and wants to question things..She has read a few topics here and we discussed it together and she gets really excited to read new topics on it..It is a lot of fun for us lol..And I am only doing what I think is best fro my children because they deserve to decide what feel right and what feels wrong..Sometimes I think they all can out smart me LMAO..
To all others that posted thanks so kindly for sharing..I appreciate it..
Marie I will not even ask if that is aimed at me cause I do not care..
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Falconer thanks I am really proud of my daughter and how she is very open minded and wants to question things..She has read a few topics here and we discussed it together and she gets really excited to read new topics on it..It is a lot of fun for us lol..And I am only doing what I think is best fro my children because they deserve to decide what feel right and what feels wrong..Sometimes I think they all can out smart me LMAO..
To all others that posted thanks so kindly for sharing..I appreciate it..
Marie I will not even ask if that is aimed at me cause I do not care..
NO it was towards me since my child goes to church.
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Falconer thanks I am really proud of my daughter and how she is very open minded and wants to question things..She has read a few topics here and we discussed it together and she gets really excited to read new topics on it..It is a lot of fun for us lol..And I am only doing what I think is best fro my children because they deserve to decide what feel right and what feels wrong..Sometimes I think they all can out smart me LMAO..
To all others that posted thanks so kindly for sharing..I appreciate it..
Marie I will not even ask if that is aimed at me cause I do not care..
NO it was towards me since my child goes to church.
Oh dear she cannot understand tolerance or letting others find their own way OMG she tends forget we are here to debate and give our opinions gee lol
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You could never do that to your kids...but strangers...ooh yeah, bring it on...this is the beast inside people, I am speaking about.
Not that is me sticking up for what I believe in. People with morals have feelings for all you have put down. I may not believe in everything you post but when you post something you know nothing about but rather bringing that religion down I will say something.
You want to attack God...You want to attack my religion and then run in the corner and cry...what do you expect...it comes around...leave God out of this...leave my religion out of this...leave my beliefs out of this...if you want to attack, then I can attack as well...who I am attacking is not you, it's the beast...who is doing it through you...that is what I believe.
And like I have said once and I will say it a million times, you attacked religions first, no honey I will not be the one crying. I know who I am. I do not have to delete posts because I do not like what others say to me.
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You could never do that to your kids...but strangers...ooh yeah, bring it on...this is the beast inside people, I am speaking about.
Not that is me sticking up for what I believe in. People with morals have feelings for all you have put down. I may not believe in everything you post but when you post something you know nothing about but rather bringing that religion down I will say something.
You want to attack God...You want to attack my religion and then run in the corner and cry...what do you expect...it comes around...leave God out of this...leave my religion out of this...leave my beliefs out of this...if you want to attack, then I can attack as well...who I am attacking is not you, it's the beast...who is doing it through you...that is what I believe.
Yeah just think its the beast since any thought against you is this devil
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I never said I was atheist did I...I am no religion hmm remember me saying this hmm I have no label I am me living life by my code
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Look you have no belief...in your head, there is no God...if that is the case...then there is nothing to believe in, why call it a belief to begin with?
You label atheism as if it is a belief...how can I attack something that is not a belief?
No I didnt! I said ALL religions YOU KNOW nothing about. You are like talking to a two year old!! Sometimes you are funny then other times your just plain out there.
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No I didnt! I said ALL religions YOU KNOW nothing about. You are like talking to a two year old!! Sometimes you are funny then other times your just plain out there.
Hey...Butterfly and Amy...remember that she trolls people. You aren't going to get anywhere so just talk of others' posts. Ignore her to keep your thread alive.
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Yep falconer I am done with her no more talky talk I no see her all gone she is a fairytale LMAO
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..She has read a few topics here and we discussed it together and she gets really excited to read new topics on it..It is a lot of fun for us lol
Seriously? Cool. Knowing that, I should stop swearing randomly! Hahah
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..She has read a few topics here and we discussed it together and she gets really excited to read new topics on it..It is a lot of fun for us lol
Seriously? Cool. Knowing that, I should stop swearing randomly! Hahah
LMAO yep and swearing pfft I know I have swore in front of her lol.. and she has heard eminem so I don't hide the all mighty swearing from her she hears outside from kids her age lol
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with God-fearing (respecting) children being raised morally as well.
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Anywhoo God fearing children or Moral raised children which is your way and why??
Well I don't have kids, but you definitely know where I stand on this one! :thumbsup:
I like how you said "god-fearing children" compared to "moral-raised children" -- that is a spot-on way to describe it! And a kind of funny distinction, yes? ;) (Not saying god kids are all immoral, but their morality isn't always stemming from the best source).
I've watched a lot of people's kids who were being raised strictly religious. A common theme included homeschooling; ya know, purposefully isolating their children from the real, "sinful" world. Another common theme was having a Noah's Ark (boatload) of kids. One house was adorned with literally dozens of crucifixes on all the walls (morbid much?). I knew one little girl who could recite all 66 of the books of the Bible.
As for the toll a fundamental lifestyle takes on a child, some of my best friends report that great chunks of their "kid time" were taken away and replaced with church or church-related activities. That is extremely sad to hear...you only get to be a kid once. They've had to witness to others on behalf of something they didn't fully understand!
My husband was raised Mormon and therefore, had tithing automatically taken out of his first paycheck and was expected to go on a 2-year mission once he ended his teens. By that point, thankfully, he knew better than to let 2 years of his life go down the drain to such B.S.!
Anyway, if I did have a kid, I also don't think it's good to preach "hard atheism"...Thor forbid that makes them go in the other direction. lol!
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Yeah so why not attack your daughter the way you do others for believing in God. Does she know how you speak of religion?
Well yes, thank you for asking me that. Yes I am very open with my children. And is my husband with hes religion.
Wait a minute. On a "Do you cook" post, you mentioned that you don't cook much now because your husband had passed? Now your mentioning your husband like he's still alive. So which is it?
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I think it would be better for a child to be moral raised than to be "God fearing" children when using butterflywings description for "God fearing". I think it's better for children to be raised "God fearing" using sherna's description only if the parents are also "God fearing" and the kids should be moral raised as well. I think BEST OF ALL, a child should be raised with love---(I believe all the mom's in this thread have shown great love for their children but would like to choose AmyTrivitt as an example here because of the details she posted) Amy's daughter will grow up knowing that her mom wants her to think and make decisions for herself...and that her mom loves her no matter what she decides in life. I believe all a parent can do for a child is raise them & guide them the best way they know how...and love them. That child will eventually be on their path through life, choosing which way their path will go. I think the child that knows they are loved have the hardest time disappointing their parents, and the parents that truly love their children enough to be a living example to them and then let them make their own decisions..are rarely disappointed in their kids.
Thank you so much! And you are so true.
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Yeah so why not attack your daughter the way you do others for believing in God. Does she know how you speak of religion?
Well yes, thank you for asking me that. Yes I am very open with my children. And is my husband with hes religion.
Wait a minute. On a "Do you cook" post, you mentioned that you don't cook much now because your husband had passed? Now your mentioning your husband like he's still alive. So which is it?
Wait are you talking to me? Because I never once said my husband is dead.
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Yeah so why not attack your daughter the way you do others for believing in God. Does she know how you speak of religion?
Well yes, thank you for asking me that. Yes I am very open with my children. And is my husband with hes religion.
Wait a minute. On a "Do you cook" post, you mentioned that you don't cook much now because your husband had passed? Now your mentioning your husband like he's still alive. So which is it?
Wait are you talking to me? Because I never once said my husband is dead.
Have to say I wondered about that one myself because I have seeen many posts from you, Amy, where you talk about/mention your HUSBAND along with your kids. I was NOT about to answer that one for you though. ;)
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Yeah so why not attack your daughter the way you do others for believing in God. Does she know how you speak of religion?
Well yes, thank you for asking me that. Yes I am very open with my children. And is my husband with hes religion.
Wait a minute. On a "Do you cook" post, you mentioned that you don't cook much now because your husband had passed? Now your mentioning your husband like he's still alive. So which is it?
Wait are you talking to me? Because I never once said my husband is dead.
Have to say I wondered about that one myself because I have seeen many posts from you, Amy, where you talk about/mention your HUSBAND along with your kids. I was NOT about to answer that one for you though. ;)
Thank you I would love prove were I have said my husband is dead!! I know I posted awhile back hes mother passed but I have never once said my husband is no longer with me.
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Yes, I remember you had written something in a thread about not being around for awhile because your MIL had died. I was questioning myself (and my sanity) when I saw that about your husband dying. :confused1:
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I would just love for them to show me were I posted that. First of all that is MY husband and never once did I type that. Its really bothering me that someone would even think to post that on here.
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Okay since this did *bleep* me off, I went and looked under the do you cook post,,, Hmm funny thing is I NEVER replied on that thread. You and marie need to grow up and NOT talk of my husband. You set back and thought of a way to *bleep* me off well you did. Do not ever talk of my husband again!! My husband has more dignity in hes life than both of you have in an ounce of your life.
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Butterfly,
Religions vary in their doctrines, and some do not believe in God, but they all seem to share the same goal, to live an honorable life based on (their defined) morals and good judgement. Maybe, a better question might be, "Do you believe children should be raised to follow a specific religious doctrine, or can a parent instill good morals without the help of a religion or church?" That being said, I believe that if a parent knows right from wrong, and models doing the right thing, they can teach this to their children.
Being open-minded is the ability to listen respectfully to another persons beliefs and ideas without judging those ideas or beliefs as right or wrong. Although, you may have told your daughter to, "respect what they believe it may not seem right, but it is their way," it comes off as quite condescending when at the same time you judge their teachings (what you beleive them to be) as inadequate, and scoff at their belief in a God.
It seems you posted this question to demonstrate your intellectual superiority over another group of individuals. This, I find to be distasteful and offensive.
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Yeah so why not attack your daughter the way you do others for believing in God. Does she know how you speak of religion?
Well yes, thank you for asking me that. Yes I am very open with my children. And is my husband with hes religion.
Wait a minute. On a "Do you cook" post, you mentioned that you don't cook much now because your husband had passed? Now your mentioning your husband like he's still alive. So which is it?
hahahahaha caught in a lie.
If I am out and out wrong as to the facts about something and it is brought to my attention, I acknowledge it and apologize for it. I would say an apology is most definitely in order here.
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Okay since this did *bleep* me off, I went and looked under the do you cook post,,, Hmm funny thing is I NEVER replied on that thread. You and marie need to grow up and NOT talk of my husband. You set back and thought of a way to *bleep* me off well you did. Do not ever talk of my husband again!! My husband has more dignity in hes life than both of you have in an ounce of your life.
Hush...
NO you F**King show me were my husband is dead. You speak out of your *bleep* and expect me to keep my mouth shut. HELL NO
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Okay since this did *bleep* me off, I went and looked under the do you cook post,,, Hmm funny thing is I NEVER replied on that thread. You and marie need to grow up and NOT talk of my husband. You set back and thought of a way to *bleep* me off well you did. Do not ever talk of my husband again!! My husband has more dignity in hes life than both of you have in an ounce of your life.
Hush...
I'd be just as upset. There are misunderstandings, and things can be remembered incorrectly, but if someone had commented that I said my husband was dead, I'd be livid. And, Marie, you're just adding fuel to the fire by telling her to hush. But then again, I can't say I've expected any better from you. You have certainly proved this time and again over these forums. :BangHead:
I can say, though, that once Annella realizes the mix-up, that I whole-heartedly believe she'll apologize. :thumbsup: As for Marie...this is the best you'll get. :angry7:
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NO you F**King show me were my husband is dead. You speak out of your *bleep* and expect me to keep my mouth shut. HELL NO
She's trolling you, Amy. It's a trap. Don't respond to the scum of the internet. Just put her on ignore like I do. It's right under the user name on the left.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll
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I thought I might miss something if I put marie on ignore, but I'm finding that I'm a lot less frustrated the past couple of days. :)
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I thought I might miss something if I put marie on ignore, but I'm finding that I'm a lot less frustrated the past couple of days. :)
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Yeah so why not attack your daughter the way you do others for believing in God. Does she know how you speak of religion?
Well yes, thank you for asking me that. Yes I am very open with my children. And is my husband with hes religion.
Wait a minute. On a "Do you cook" post, you mentioned that you don't cook much now because your husband had passed? Now your mentioning your husband like he's still alive. So which is it?
NO Marie I did not blame you for shi* except the fact what you said underneath then told me to hush. Hell no. So you must have seen this fable or you would not have chipped in.
And yes Shernajwine I do not think I will miss anything if I put her on the ignore list. She is nothing but a coward, troll, ect. ect. I do not have to explain myself or defend my husbands living to a disturbed person such as she. I have better things to do in my life than to set her and read crap coming from her towards myself or my husband. She does not know me nor him.
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It seems you posted this question to demonstrate your intellectual superiority over another group of individuals. This, I find to be distasteful and offensive.
Have you read any of butterflywings other posts? I ask because I'm a Christian and I have. I know from reading her other posts that she doesn't post just to demonstrate her intellectual superiority over anyone. Her posts are always sincere and from the heart. She's a very open and warm person. She might not believe the same way I do, I still think she's a very sweet person. There are far too many other posts in this forum by other "christian(s)" that I would think should be most distasteful and offensive to other Christians as they are quite blasphemous.
Thank you Sheryl sweetie I was re-reading thinking huh lmao me..You said better than I could thanks :0)
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And thank you to all the great replies!! Very interesting..well some LMAO :thumbsup:
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And thank you to all the great replies!! Very interesting..well some LMAO :thumbsup:
Im sorry Butterfly that I went off on your thread. I just will not have anyone speak of my family like that!!
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And thank you to all the great replies!! Very interesting..well some LMAO :thumbsup:
Im sorry Butterfly that I went off on your thread. I just will not have anyone speak of my family like that!!
I do not blame you one bit hun..I have been there too..You have every right hun :heart:
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Figured I should answer the question here, lol.
We are going to be raising our daughter in the temple, because there are so many things that we agree with along this lifestyle. The thing I like the most about raising our daughter Jewish is the Bat Mitzvah. She will have to do a year of study and community service before she can complete it. She will study with a very open minded Rabbi (the same one with which I studied) and will learn the importance of loving and caring for others.
One of the main things that we strive for in raising her is to instill compassion and a sense of responsibility. We don't just discipline, but explain (even at the tender age of two) why she shouldn't do something. Label it religious if you wish (since this is a large part of my religion), or label it as a good moral value. I know, though, that I am going to do everything I can to prevent my daughter from growing up with a "center-of-the-universe" complex (yes, yes, I totally made up that term just now).