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Before i start. This topic is not for the weak minded christian sheep. this is only for open minded people who can consider all points and possibilities. preferably only unbiased statemens.
now, what if the "virgin mary" wasn't a virgin. what is she was like a... you know what, and was embarassed and didn't want anyone to know. like a lot of girls in this day and age. what do you guys think?
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Don't believe that....there is no what if, it is just a belief of mine though. You also have to take a look at Jesus's life...I mean did he just claim to be who he was because his mom told him she was a *bleep*?
well we have no real evidence of how his life was. so maybe his abilities and everything else were stretched a little from day one snce it was a "virgin birth".
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now, what if the "virgin mary" wasn't a virgin. what is she was like a... you know what, and was embarassed and didn't want anyone to know. like a lot of girls in this day and age. what do you guys think?
I have heard and seen some discussion on the definition of "virgin" from back in those times...some claim it meant that she had not had sex, others claim it meant she was a very young girl and had nothing to do with sexual experience. The thing is, though, I don't believe Jesus was the Messiah...he didn't meet the qualifications lined out in the OT for the Messiah. Then again, I'm not a Christian. I'm not sure Mary's "purity" would matter that much in hindsight for the modern Christian, though, because the virgin birth is only a part of the Jesus story...Christianity is more focused on the life Jesus led and the death Jesus died, and whether Mary was a virgin or if everyone tapped that wouldn't change the final outcome of the story. Now...ask a Catholic the same question... :wave:
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now, what if the "virgin mary" wasn't a virgin. what is she was like a... you know what, and was embarassed and didn't want anyone to know. like a lot of girls in this day and age. what do you guys think?
I have heard and seen some discussion on the definition of "virgin" from back in those times...some claim it meant that she had not had sex, others claim it meant she was a very young girl and had nothing to do with sexual experience. The thing is, though, I don't believe Jesus was the Messiah...he didn't meet the qualifications lined out in the OT for the Messiah. Then again, I'm not a Christian. I'm not sure Mary's "purity" would matter that much in hindsight for the modern Christian, though, because the virgin birth is only a part of the Jesus story...Christianity is more focused on the life Jesus led and the death Jesus died, and whether Mary was a virgin or if everyone tapped that wouldn't change the final outcome of the story. Now...ask a Catholic the same question... :wave:
Hi. To introduce myself I'm a Christian. You stated that you don't believe that Jesus is the Messiah (that's your opinion), but what struck me was that you confirmed your opinion as a fact by referring to the Old Testament in the Bible, saying that he did not meet the qualifications based on scripture in the Old Testament. I know a lot of non-Christians who read the Bilble. If you are one of them, just know that the Bilble is not sliced bread. You cannot take one little part or a single book or even the first half( the OT) to confirm your opinion as fact. About the "Virgin Mary", Mary was virgin meaning that she was never touched sexually by any man before she was pregnant with Jesus. You can refer back to Jewish marriage traditions to confirm that ( how a girl's virginity before marriage was essential and how a girl would never be a wife if she was not a virgin!) Mary was chosen by God to give birth to the Son of Man ( Jesus). Mary was just part of God's plan in sending his son to earth. Mary was otherwise just like any other ordinary woman on earth. Understand it like this: We all have different purposes set by God in life and in society and in this world. That was Mary's purpose.
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now, what if the "virgin mary" wasn't a virgin. what is she was like a... you know what, and was embarassed and didn't want anyone to know. like a lot of girls in this day and age. what do you guys think?
I have heard and seen some discussion on the definition of "virgin" from back in those times...some claim it meant that she had not had sex, others claim it meant she was a very young girl and had nothing to do with sexual experience. The thing is, though, I don't believe Jesus was the Messiah...he didn't meet the qualifications lined out in the OT for the Messiah. Then again, I'm not a Christian. I'm not sure Mary's "purity" would matter that much in hindsight for the modern Christian, though, because the virgin birth is only a part of the Jesus story...Christianity is more focused on the life Jesus led and the death Jesus died, and whether Mary was a virgin or if everyone tapped that wouldn't change the final outcome of the story. Now...ask a Catholic the same question... :wave:
Hi. To introduce myself I'm a Christian. You stated that you don't believe that Jesus is the Messiah (that's your opinion), but what struck me was that you confirmed your opinion as a fact by referring to the Old Testament in the Bible, saying that he did not meet the qualifications based on scripture in the Old Testament. I know a lot of non-Christians who read the Bilble. If you are one of them, just know that the Bilble is not sliced bread. You cannot take one little part or a single book or even the first half( the OT) to confirm your opinion as fact. About the "Virgin Mary", Mary was virgin meaning that she was never touched sexually by any man before she was pregnant with Jesus. You can refer back to Jewish marriage traditions to confirm that ( how a girl's virginity before marriage was essential and how a girl would never be a wife if she was not a virgin!) Mary was chosen by God to give birth to the Son of Man ( Jesus). Mary was just part of God's plan in sending his son to earth. Mary was otherwise just like any other ordinary woman on earth. Understand it like this: We all have different purposes set by God in life and in society and in this world. That was Mary's purpose.
So...you're new. Welcome to the forum. Please, don't make assumptions in your first few days here. I can quote the OT and the Tanakh and Torah because I am Jewish...and very strong in my faith. The point of my post was not to knock Christianity...I don't spend time on here knocking the religions of others. Please don't jump automatically on here on someone's post when you don't know who they are...
Besides that, the OP was asking if it mattered whether Mary was never touched sexually or if she had been around the block a few times. I don't think it does, or at least it shouldn't in a Christian's eyes...that was what my post was about.
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i think if she wasn't a virgin when giving birth, then how do we know jesus' whole life isn't fabicated by men?
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i think if she wasn't a virgin when giving birth, then how do we know jesus' whole life isn't fabicated by men?
I would say it doesn't really matter...but then again, if Jesus didn't die for the sins of the believers, then there isn't much of a point...so I don't know. As for the definition...I couldn't say I would blame her if she lied about being a virgin, and I couldn't say whether or not I think virgin meant the same thing then that it does now.
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i believe, if im not mistaken, that it meant "never laid with a man". then again, you don't really have to lay to have sex.
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I believe that Mary- (if there was even a Mary), was not in fact a virgin.
In my opinion (I know I'm going to be shot for this one) the bible is a fictional story, made up to scare us all. Just like nursery rhymes, and old fairy tales (The boy who cried wolf)
And maybe I am wrong, but I have not seen proof saying otherwise..
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Mary was the village bicycle! Everyone had a ride!
Bow chicka wow wowww
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Mary was the village bicycle! Everyone had a ride!
Bow chicka wow wowww
How dare you speak of the lord and savior's mother in that manor You're going to suffer for eternity for that comment. :P ;)
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There are mention of "Jesus theChrist" in other literature besides the bible so I would think he probably did in fact exist, however, my thoughts on the untouched Mary story is she was got a little loose one night after partaking of some good wine with the fellas and when she wound up preggo she wasnt about to admit spreading it around to hubby. Once Jebus was born she had to keep with the story so as not to tip her hand to dumb *bleep* gullible hubby dude back home. Jebus was raised with this lie which as with any lie becomes true after so many tellings.
The dude sincerely thought he was what he was taught from day one so was forced to lead a miserable existence and end just cuz Mary couldnt keep her thong up.
Further more....Im not much into relations with corpses but why tha hell couldnt it be Mary who still, after 2000 years, loves me instead of hippy dude?
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Mary was the village bicycle! Everyone had a ride!
Bow chicka wow wowww
lmao
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Yeah that's not funny. :o
Just because its not funny to you, doesn't mean that its not funny to other people.
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Yeah that's not funny. :o
what's not funny?
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Now...ask a Catholic the same question... :wave:
I read this and laughed, I was raised Catholic but think they are all crazy lol I still believe that we have a higher being etc but man Catholicism can really mess ya up! :wave:
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Yeah that's not funny. :o
Just because its not funny to you, doesn't mean that its not funny to other people.
How do you know she wasn't raped? Laugh on then..Oh that's right, girls that get raped are whores, my bad.
we weren't talking about her being raped. we were talking about her being a *bleep* in general
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Yeah that's not funny. :o
Just because its not funny to you, doesn't mean that its not funny to other people.
How do you know she wasn't raped? Laugh on then..Oh that's right, girls that get raped are whores, my bad.
we weren't talking about her being raped. we were talking about her being a *bleep* in general
How do you know she is a *bleep*? Making rumors and starting lies...stfu
Stfu? Very mature. If I believe that she was a *bleep*, thats my opinion. I'm not making up rumors or starting lies.
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wow, stfu, makin' rumors, startin' lies. can we all be just a little more mature than that. i made the topic for the sake of argument, just to throw out a possibility. Not to "make rumors" or "start lies".
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Obviously that would mean Jesus was not divine. The miracles he performed according to the Bible might be entirely made up or events that were greatly exaggerated. His teachings have had a lasting impact on the world either way.
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Not knocking the Catholic Church or anyone on here who is a Catholic - wanted to get that out of the way. They pray to the Virgin Mary, but there is much evidence in the bible of Jesus having siblings, specifically brothers and possibly sisters because sisters are also referred to/mentioned. Just one example from Mark 6:2–3:
"And when the Sabbath had come, He (Jesus) began to teach in the synagogue; and the many listeners were astonished, saying, "Where did this man get these things, and what is this wisdom given to Him, and such miracles as these performed by His hands? "Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, and Joses, and Judas, and Simon? Are not His sisters here with us?"
Catholic theologians have always argued that the others were 'cousins' of Jesus even though there are many passages that say these 'cousins' were also parented by a carpenter (Joseph) and a 'virgin' mother (Mary). The whole thing is another one of those paradoxes and oxymorons in the bible that I have personally NEVER been able to fathom or get a handle on. So, I believe Virgin Mobile exists, but as far as Virgin Mary, not so much....
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Virgin Mary nice thought..Fairy-tale like..I mean man has a imagination..LMAO..Wow if Mary was a virgin then damn I am all blessed virgin tinkerbitch LMAO..Sorry I think some people go to far with the man written word and this so called entity we should bow to and live by his words..LIVE YOUR OWN WAY PEOPLE EMBRACE YOUR HEART!! :bootyshake:
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Obviously that would mean Jesus was not divine. The miracles he performed according to the Bible might be entirely made up or events that were greatly exaggerated. His teachings have had a lasting impact on the world either way.
yeah, you're right about that, fuzzy.
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I don't know if this particular issue has been brought up already, but I think that it is a very brilliant and thought-provoking line of logic.
If Mary was Jesus mother, who was Jesus father? Trinitarians would say "God the father, of course". But do not the scriptures say something different?
"Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: when His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit." - Mat 1:18
Now if I am a trinitarian, believing that the Holy Spirit is a PERSON, I would be forced to conclude that Jesus father was the Holy Spirit, and NOT the Father!
This leads to a bit of a logical predicament that cannot be escaped from without resorting to some very creative and seriously questionable acts of reasoning.
http://www.biblestudents.net/forum/index.php?topic=2735.0 (http://www.biblestudents.net/forum/index.php?topic=2735.0)
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Yeah that's not funny. :o
Just because its not funny to you, doesn't mean that its not funny to other people.
How do you know she wasn't raped? Laugh on then..Oh that's right, girls that get raped are whores, my bad.
we weren't talking about her being raped. we were talking about her being a *bleep* in general
How do you know she is a *bleep*? Making rumors and starting lies...stfu
Marie, read the posts you have put on this thread. Don't you feel like you should have thought before you spoke? I am a Christian & I disagree with this perception of Mary, that doesn't mean I can't respect someone else's viewpoint. There is a mature way to back your faith. And if you ARE here to try to spread Christianity, the things you post are not convincing. Telling someone to stfu doesnt make them want to be a part of anything youre a part of. Furthermore, you're on the DEBATE AND DISCUSS section, be prepared to see arguments about religion.
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jesus was a ool dude who lived millions of trillions of years ago
he died end of story
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Before i start. This topic is not for the weak minded christian sheep. this is only for open minded people who can consider all points and possibilities. preferably only unbiased statemens.
now, what if the "virgin mary" wasn't a virgin. what is she was like a... you know what, and was embarassed and didn't want anyone to know. like a lot of girls in this day and age. what do you guys think?
Then there is no need to debate, since you only want certain kinds of statements in here. What you are doing to Mary is degrading and you know it.
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Before i start. This topic is not for the weak minded christian sheep. this is only for open minded people who can consider all points and possibilities. preferably only unbiased statemens.
now, what if the "virgin mary" wasn't a virgin. what is she was like a... you know what, and was embarassed and didn't want anyone to know. like a lot of girls in this day and age. what do you guys think?
Then there is no need to debate, since you only want certain kinds of statements in here. What you are doing to Mary is degrading and you know it.
What is degradin? considering possibilities?