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Do I know any of you people?
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I don't think so because you work alone. lol
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Alright now!!! Y'all watch calling each other swine an such in here.....JC might put you in time out!
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I don't think so because you work alone. lol
oh yeah........
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Yep, I have several people who hate me now. lol Suppose it's to be expected, though, when I'm attempting to rip away their invisible security blankets and replace them with something tangible. ;) ;D
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I must have missed that one. Either way it sounds like the same old *bleeping bleep* to me. At least where religion is concerned.
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Yep, I have several people who hate me now. lol Suppose it's to be expected, though, when I'm attempting to rip away their invisible security blankets and replace them with something tangible. ;) ;D
Nope, no way could I hate you! :heart:
P.S. "invisible security blanket" may well be the best way to put that. It's better than invisible insecurity blanket!! Thanks for the great idea! :)
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Yep, I have several people who hate me now. lol Suppose it's to be expected, though, when I'm attempting to rip away their invisible security blankets and replace them with something tangible. ;) ;D
Nope, no way could I hate you! :heart:
P.S. "invisible security blanket" may well be the best way to put that. It's better than invisible insecurity blanket!! Thanks for the great idea! :)
Oh....I've heard worse names applied to people in here. Kinda calling the kettle black aren't we? Besides, no one called anyone a swine. Since she doesn't believe the Bible what's the beef? How can you get offended by a book you don't believe? Anyway, I was going to use the word "jewels" which was actually used in another posting referring to the same analogy, and was just typing as fast as I could.
However, I stand by my post.
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Yep, I have several people who hate me now. lol Suppose it's to be expected, though, when I'm attempting to rip away their invisible security blankets and replace them with something tangible. ;) ;D
The word swine and hate is your words qon, so you own it.
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Yep, I have several people who hate me now. lol Suppose it's to be expected, though, when I'm attempting to rip away their invisible security blankets and replace them with something tangible. ;) ;D
Nope, no way could I hate you! :heart:
P.S. "invisible security blanket" may well be the best way to put that. It's better than invisible insecurity blanket!! Thanks for the great idea! :)
Oh....I've heard worse names applied to people in here. Kinda calling the kettle black aren't we?Naaaa, that was typed in sort of a joking manner, as I find it rather humorous that JC has chastised myself as well as others however when its a Christian doing it she says nothing. Just the typical Christian glaring smugly down her nose, demanding that non-Christians adhear to a higher moral standard then that expected by Christians themselves. Of course, anyone with very high moral expectations of the vast majority of Christians, is simply grossly uninformed or in denial.
Besides, no one called anyone a swine. Since she doesn't believe the Bible what's the beef? How can you get offended by a book you don't believe? Anyway, I was going to use the word "jewels" which was actually used in another posting referring to the same analogy, and was just typing as fast as I could.So now you are going to add lying to your sins too, eh? Qoute from you from another thread; "Since you made the connection with the "pearls" comment,......",in reference to QON's qoute...;"
Comparing me to swine, are you?"
and you a reverend, too.....oh well, no biggie, you can just repent for that. ;D
However, I stand by my post.
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Like I said Walks.....SHE made the connection. As far as lying....nope. I have nothing to repent of....certainly not Truth.
I still stand by my post.
As far as glaringly looking down my nose....that's your conception. You can hold any standard you want. None of my business. I'm not going to stand idly by anymore, and have new people come on here and get attacked for no good reason, only because they say they believe in God. You've attacked me before, so your welcome to continue to do so. It makes no difference in offense anymore.
Your explanation of calling the horrible names you have, and attacking my character (before) was joking? Now who's lying?
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Walksalone, I would like for you to clarify what you meant to me - you did not make sense. I don't come down on you, anyway. You've been pretty open about things. Believe me, I am not a "smug" Christian or person - quite the opposite. I'm really more of an introvert if you ever saw me. I just express how my choice is for the Lord. The other person gets downright mean, sometimes, and insults instead of debate and discuss openly, so I have to defend my choice. What in the world is wrong with that? You are very protective of the Indians and what's going on there, and you are an active participant in it. You would defend against anyone insulting them. That's all I'm doing.
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That's okay Jcribb, you and Sherene are separate in this. This is written in reference to me....and I don't mind. In fact, I expected this, and not offended at all. All that can be attacked is my Christian walk, and that I don't "conform" what is acceptable to their thinking..... Thing is, there's only one I have to please, and I feel no conviction from anything I've written.....nothing!
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Like I said Walks.....SHE made the connection. As far as lying....nope. I have nothing to repent of....certainly not Truth.
I still stand by my post.
As far as glaringly looking down my nose....that's your conception. You can hold any standard you want. None of my business. I'm not going to stand idly by anymore, and have new people come on here and get attacked for no good reason, only because they say they believe in God. You've attacked me before, so your welcome to continue to do so. It makes no difference in offense anymore.
Your explanation of calling the horrible names you have, and attacking my character (before) was joking? Now who's lying?
SHE MADE THE CONNECTION, i MADE THE CONNECTION, and anyone with even a minute semblance of reading comprehension skills, memory retention, and have ever read the bible MADE THE FREAKIN CONNECTION.
now, if you are going to be so bold as to insist that you didn't mean it in that regards, I am going to be so bold as to say you are a damned liar.
Speaking of reading comprehension skills......it is glaringly obvious that you are deficient it that, judging from your post, which is very disturbing considering the fact that you made the decision to be a spokesperson for Creator, and attempt to teach Creators intent. This thread was initiated in a joking manner. Me calling you a bigot was no joke. You have repeatedly demonstrated in this forum your superioristic and bigoted attitude.
Just in the past couple of weeks you have been, what could very kindly be called, passive aggressive towards, any non-Christians, gays, Muslims and pretty much anyone else who doesnt toe the dogmatic line that you would impose.
Geez Annella, don't you have to go look, in the mirror, with orgasmic admiration or something?
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Like I said Walks.....SHE made the connection. As far as lying....nope. I have nothing to repent of....certainly not Truth.
I still stand by my post.
As far as glaringly looking down my nose....that's your conception. You can hold any standard you want. None of my business. I'm not going to stand idly by anymore, and have new people come on here and get attacked for no good reason, only because they say they believe in God. You've attacked me before, so your welcome to continue to do so. It makes no difference in offense anymore.
I'll put it out there again. How can anybody be upset by anything pertaining to Bible scripture, if they don't believe in the Bible, or God for that matter?
Your explanation of calling the horrible names you have, and attacking my character (before) was joking? Now who's lying?
SHE MADE THE CONNECTION, i MADE THE CONNECTION, and anyone with even a minute semblance of reading comprehension skills, memory retention, and have ever read the bible MADE THE FREAKIN CONNECTION.
now, if you are going to be so bold as to insist that you didn't mean it in that regards, I am going to be so bold as to say you are a damned liar.
Speaking of reading comprehension skills......it is glaringly obvious that you are deficient it that, judging from your post, which is very disturbing considering the fact that you made the decision to be a spokesperson for Creator, and attempt to teach Creators intent. This thread was initiated in a joking manner. Me calling you a bigot was no joke. You have repeatedly demonstrated in this forum your superioristic and bigoted attitude.
Just in the past couple of weeks you have been, what could very kindly be called, passive aggressive towards, any non-Christians, gays, Muslims and pretty much anyone else who doesnt toe the dogmatic line that you would impose.
Geez Annella, don't you have to go look, in the mirror, with orgasmic admiration or something?
Hey, your welcome to your opinion.....and yes, I do like myself. Your judgement of anything pertaining to me.....is just that......your judgement. Which has entirely no impact on what I believe, or how those beliefs are stated. I have the freedom to think, act, worship, speak, etc., just like you do, or anyway I see fit.
You certainly have no problem stating your beliefs and/or actions you perceive aimed at your race and their struggles. I'm not passive aggressive one bit. I'm very open about my Faith, and what the Word of God says.
As far as any dogmatic line that you say I impose......obviously you mean what the Bible says? That's what you really have a problem with.....God and His Word.
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There is only one Creator, Annella, and what we have received pertaining to his intent is very much different then what you claim. He does not approve of discrimination against any group of people. He does not approve of intolerance aimed at others with differing lifestyles. He does not approve of any human, attempting to bar, any other human from moving about the world freely, nor does he approve of anyone attempting to force their lifestyle or morals on others.
Your teachings are completely false and were conceived by men whose sole motivation was self serving and wanted to control others and force them to be subservient and compliant. Now, if that is the way you wish to live great, but you are in no way superior, in any way to anyone else and have absolutely no right to attempt to hinder them in any fashion from living their life any way they choose, nor teaching others intolerance toward ANY others. The ONLY possible exception is in the case that we ALL should be totally 100% intolerant of ANYONE victimizing an other.
People on here, ask you and others a question and request a simple yes or no. You can't do that, you have to start quoting bible verses and preaching a sermon. How hard is it to answer simple yes.......or no? Unless of course you are, as I very much suspect, attempting to distance yourself from any guilt associated with the answer, and instead want to lay all the blame at Creators feet.
You have repeatedly refused to answer my question pertaining to what your thoughts are on the "Doctrine of Discovery" siting the reason that you wont converse with me because I don't believe in the bible. However, you have absolutely no problem conversing with me on any other subject matter. and further more, what in the hell does the bible have to do with the doctrine in question? The is nothing in the bible about it. You refuse because you know that you have very racist and superioristic convictions related to divine Christian rights and haven't yet been able to find any bible verses to use to place culpability upon.
Admit it Annella, you are a supremacist, as are damned near every Christian, not all, mind you, but all the ones who are not too brain dead to actually form a thought or conviction for themselves.
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SHE MADE THE CONNECTION, i MADE THE CONNECTION, and anyone with even a minute semblance of reading comprehension skills, memory retention, and have ever read the bible MADE THE FREAKIN CONNECTION.
now, if you are going to be so bold as to insist that you didn't mean it in that regards, I am going to be so bold as to say you are a damned liar.
lol :notworthy: :notworthy:
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There is only one Creator, Annella, and what we have received pertaining to his intent is very much different then what you claim. He does not approve of discrimination against any group of people. He does not approve of intolerance aimed at others with differing lifestyles. He does not approve of any human, attempting to bar, any other human from moving about the world freely, nor does he approve of anyone attempting to force their lifestyle or morals on others.
Your teachings are completely false and were conceived by men whose sole motivation was self serving and wanted to control others and force them to be subservient and compliant. Now, if that is the way you wish to live great, but you are in no way superior, in any way to anyone else and have absolutely no right to attempt to hinder them in any fashion from living their life any way they choose, nor teaching others intolerance toward ANY others. The ONLY possible exception is in the case that we ALL should be totally 100% intolerant of ANYONE victimizing an other.
People on here, ask you and others a question and request a simple yes or no. You can't do that, you have to start quoting bible verses and preaching a sermon. How hard is it to answer simple yes.......or no? Unless of course you are, as I very much suspect, attempting to distance yourself from any guilt associated with the answer, and instead want to lay all the blame at Creators feet.
You have repeatedly refused to answer my question pertaining to what your thoughts are on the "Doctrine of Discovery" siting the reason that you wont converse with me because I don't believe in the bible. However, you have absolutely no problem conversing with me on any other subject matter. and further more, what in the hell does the bible have to do with the doctrine in question? The is nothing in the bible about it. You refuse because you know that you have very racist and superioristic convictions related to divine Christian rights and haven't yet been able to find any bible verses to use to place culpability upon.
Admit it Annella, you are a supremacist, as are damned near every Christian, not all, mind you, but all the ones who are to brain dead to actually form a thought or conviction for themselves.
I'll admit nothing to you, except that you have your opinion and are entitled to it.
Your whining about your people, with hatred and animosity, does nothing to endear anyone to your side. While you lay all your problems with your people at my feet? Here's a reality check......I've no power to help your people, but I understand you've singled me out as your scapegoat, so have at it.
I believe "The Doctrine of Discovery" was answered in a previous thread. Not by me, but by someone....I remember seeing it. As far as conversing with you about anything......I try not to. You are very intolerant of my belief in the Bible, and that I call myself a Christian, because you hold me as a Christian, liable for the place your people are in right now. Do you have any idea how loco and absurd that sounds? I mean really?
As far as being intolerant with races and people, who in the world are you referring to?????
Look, put any title on me you want. Guess what? I don't care. I do know that if you keep up such hate, animosity, and spewing negativity, your going to find yourself with a heart attack. Life is a beautiful thing, and the gift of life most precious that our Creator gave us. Live it with some love brother......you'll live longer.
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SHE MADE THE CONNECTION, i MADE THE CONNECTION, and anyone with even a minute semblance of reading comprehension skills, memory retention, and have ever read the bible MADE THE FREAKIN CONNECTION.
now, if you are going to be so bold as to insist that you didn't mean it in that regards, I am going to be so bold as to say you are a damned liar.
lol :notworthy: :notworthy:
I find it funny qon how you get bent out of shape about a scripture that you don't believe, and a God that upholds that scripture that you don't believe, oh, and that you don't even believe in there being a God period.
LOL
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People on here, ask you and others a question and request a simple yes or no. You can't do that, you have to start quoting bible verses and preaching a sermon. How hard is it to answer simple yes.......or no? Unless of course you are, as I very much suspect, attempting to distance yourself from any guilt associated with the answer, and instead want to lay all the blame at Creators feet.
This is exactly why I said what I did in another thread when QON asked a question of Annella and jcribb and also asked they use their own thoughts on it. I said I highly doubted Annella would answer it - my exact words were: "Without using the standard pool of answers ie the Bible says, it might not be answered. That takes some out-of-the-box thinking and that's definitely not something I see from one person you asked." It did not get answered and I was informed I was 'baiting' Annella. Isn't it funny that everytime she is called out on anything it is 'baiting', singling out, making her the scapegoat'? Wow, I wish I was that special. I need to stop answering what I am asked and I need to stop admitting when I am wrong or out of line. I'll leave that to all the others who do it from now on and I'll use the 'being picked on' defense instead. Problem being, I have no book to draw all my words from or back me up. Hmm, I'll have to ponder that one awhile and see what I can come up with.
Annella, I don't think you have an idea what freedom of thought even is. How can you when every single thing comes down to what is in the Bible? Telling everyone who doesn't agree with you "It's your opinion, you're entitled to it." and the rest of your standard evasiveness is NOT giving an answer when you are asked about anything. Maybe you should look at what passive-aggressive behavior means, because I don't think you have a clue. It has NOTHING to do with "being open about your faith and what the word of god says" as you wrote. If you did, you would realize you are the epitome of it on this forum. The oh so sweet "love yous, the hearts, the prayers for people who don't ask for them" and the rest you dole out to the ones you agree with, the ones you try to make submissive by your words, don't fly when put up against the "hate Islamics, don't encourage the homosexuals - unless they are the ones you can 'fix' - instead go out and preach against someone else's life and be proud of yourself for doing it." That is a message of love, along with all the rest of your intolerance, for anything not in that book?
This has nothing to do with whatever you want to live your life by. It has everything to do with dictating how you feel others should live theirs. Quit sounding like the robot who got the very best programming - you aren't all that.
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People on here, ask you and others a question and request a simple yes or no. You can't do that, you have to start quoting bible verses and preaching a sermon. How hard is it to answer simple yes.......or no? Unless of course you are, as I very much suspect, attempting to distance yourself from any guilt associated with the answer, and instead want to lay all the blame at Creators feet.
This is exactly why I said what I did in another thread when QON asked a question of Annella and jcribb and also asked they use their own thoughts on it. I said I highly doubted Annella would answer it - my exact words were: "Without using the standard pool of answers ie the Bible says, it might not be answered. That takes some out-of-the-box thinking and that's definitely not something I see from one person you asked." It did not get answered and I was informed I was 'baiting' Annella. Isn't it funny that everytime she is called out on anything it is 'baiting', singling out, making her the scapegoat'? Wow, I wish I was that special. I need to stop answering what I am asked and I need to stop admitting when I am wrong or out of line. I'll leave that to all the others who do it from now on and I'll use the 'being picked on' defense instead. Problem being, I have no book to draw all my words from or back me up. Hmm, I'll have to ponder that one awhile and see what I can come up with.
Annella, I don't think you have an idea what freedom of thought even is. How can you when every single thing comes down to what is in the Bible? Telling everyone who doesn't agree with you "It's your opinion, you're entitled to it." and the rest of your standard evasiveness is NOT giving an answer when you are asked about anything. Maybe you should look at what passive-aggressive behavior means, because I don't think you have a clue. It has NOTHING to do with "being open about your faith and what the word of god says" as you wrote. If you did, you would realize you are the epitome of it on this forum. The oh so sweet "love yous, the hearts, the prayers for people who don't ask for them" and the rest you dole out to the ones you agree with, the ones you try to make submissive by your words, don't fly when put up against the "hate Islamics, don't encourage the homosexuals - unless they are the ones you can 'fix' - instead go out and preach against someone else's life and be proud of yourself for doing it." That is a message of love, along with all the rest of your intolerance, for anything not in that book?
This has nothing to do with whatever you want to live your life by. It has everything to do with dictating how you feel others should live theirs. Quit sounding like the robot who got the very best programming - you aren't all that.
LOL For one thing, I have no idea what your talking about? What question are you talking about? Again jordandog it matters little to me what you think of me.......or your opinion of me. However, your free to give it.
There are 3 on here that I always disagree with....you, qon, and walksalone. All three of you have made it quite clear that you don't agree with me.....great! So we disagree. What is your problem? Nothing you say is going to make me agree with you. Call all the names you want, apply all the negative titles, I don't care.....got it?
NOTHING you post is going to change my stance (Christian) or my way of posting! As far as "dictating" how others should live their life? What are you referring to? I love how you guys throw out these half baked statements, and then when I ask what you mean? You don't say. I think you just throw things out there that seem to sound good to you, when in actuality they make no sense.
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I don't know, I must of missed something. ???
Huh? Are you talking to me Marie?
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NOTHING you post is going to change my stance (Christian) or my way of posting!
Re: "Nothing you can say can convince me otherwise"...and similar expressions. The phrase comes in more varieties than a person might immediately recognize. It's sometimes too subtle to notice the sort of confession to which we've been privy.
- It is the dismissal of all forthcoming evidence.
- It is the denial of all future discoveries and progress (potential or imminent).
- It's the outright rejection of all current knowledge that may stand contrary to the speaker's position.
- It's worse than confirmation bias; it declares that confirmation is unnecessary...
...and falsification is impossible.
But, happily, it is also a betrayal of the speaker's methods. A method which can be pulled apart before their eyes.
If you are such a person, consider the following:
Why will nothing I say convince you? This suggests you aren't interested in reason or evidence...
...which suggests you aren't open to being proven wrong.
...which means you don't care if reality disagrees with your beliefs.
...which suggests your beliefs are completely independent of what is real.
Source: http://www.youtube.com/user/RobTheMonk8#p/u/13/igmkm6QLxiM
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And even if you quote the whole damn bible you are not going to get us to believe that....GOT IT??? if you are addressing your post IE; sermons to us, just save it for sunday and your minions. GOT IT???
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People on here, ask you and others a question and request a simple yes or no. You can't do that, you have to start quoting bible verses and preaching a sermon. How hard is it to answer simple yes.......or no? Unless of course you are, as I very much suspect, attempting to distance yourself from any guilt associated with the answer, and instead want to lay all the blame at Creators feet.
This is exactly why I said what I did in another thread when QON asked a question of Annella and jcribb and also asked they use their own thoughts on it. I said I highly doubted Annella would answer it - my exact words were: "Without using the standard pool of answers ie the Bible says, it might not be answered. That takes some out-of-the-box thinking and that's definitely not something I see from one person you asked." It did not get answered and I was informed I was 'baiting' Annella. Isn't it funny that everytime she is called out on anything it is 'baiting', singling out, making her the scapegoat'? Wow, I wish I was that special. I need to stop answering what I am asked and I need to stop admitting when I am wrong or out of line. I'll leave that to all the others who do it from now on and I'll use the 'being picked on' defense instead. Problem being, I have no book to draw all my words from or back me up. Hmm, I'll have to ponder that one awhile and see what I can come up with.
Annella, I don't think you have an idea what freedom of thought even is. How can you when every single thing comes down to what is in the Bible? Telling everyone who doesn't agree with you "It's your opinion, you're entitled to it." and the rest of your standard evasiveness is NOT giving an answer when you are asked about anything. Maybe you should look at what passive-aggressive behavior means, because I don't think you have a clue. It has NOTHING to do with "being open about your faith and what the word of god says" as you wrote. If you did, you would realize you are the epitome of it on this forum. The oh so sweet "love yous, the hearts, the prayers for people who don't ask for them" and the rest you dole out to the ones you agree with, the ones you try to make submissive by your words, don't fly when put up against the "hate Islamics, don't encourage the homosexuals - unless they are the ones you can 'fix' - instead go out and preach against someone else's life and be proud of yourself for doing it." That is a message of love, along with all the rest of your intolerance, for anything not in that book?
This has nothing to do with whatever you want to live your life by. It has everything to do with dictating how you feel others should live theirs. Quit sounding like the robot who got the very best programming - you aren't all that.
LOL For one thing, I have no idea what your talking about? What question are you talking about? Again jordandog it matters little to me what you think of me.......or your opinion of me. However, your free to give it.
There are 3 on here that I always disagree with....you, qon, and walksalone. All three of you have made it quite clear that you don't agree with me.....great! So we disagree. What is your problem? Nothing you say is going to make me agree with you. Call all the names you want, apply all the negative titles, I don't care.....got it?
NOTHING you post is going to change my stance (Christian) or my way of posting! As far as "dictating" how others should live their life? What are you referring to? I love how you guys throw out these half baked statements, and then when I ask what you mean? You don't say. I think you just throw things out there that seem to sound good to you, when in actuality they make no sense.
You seem to have a lousy memory when it is convenient. This is the question from QON in thread "killing in the name of...":
« Reply #77 on: October 15, 2010, 10:08:08 am » Message ID: 254612 Quote
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Jcribb and Annella -- I appreciate your responses, really I do, but you didn't answer my question. I didn't ask if you wanted me to go to hell, I asked if you think solely for being a non-believer, I *deserve* it. It's a yes or no question.
Do YOU guys think it is right to punish otherwise good people forever on the sole basis of being skeptical of the god claims, OR being in the wrong religion? Yes or no. Don't say "only god can judge"; I really want to know if deep in your heart, you think it's morally correct?
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Not one of us throws out any "half-baked statements" and when we get asked a question as to what we are talking about, we provide an answer. Of course you disagree with the 3 of us! We are the only ones who seem to have the cojones to call you out on the BS you write. This has not one thing to do with 'liking you', I don't know you as a person, I know you by what you write on here. I do not like prejudice, I do not like superiority, and I do not like fake fawning over people - it doesn't matter if it is you or anyone else on here, you just seem to be the one who does it the most.
In your mind, the Bible 'dictates' how the whole world should be and how everyone should act. That is NOT how the real world works and it shows very little love of your fellow human unless they meet the standards set forth in that book. You choose to live the way you want and I choose to live the way I want, who cares? I don't care either if we disagree, never have. Now, since we are strictly on a website, that is my only source to voice my thoughts so i wll apply this in that context. What I do care about are all the people on FC who might be gay, who might be Islamic/Muslims, who might be absolutely terrified because they are dying right now and what do they see? They see the horrendous words you write as a follower and preacher of what is in one book and you condemning them for how they live. Remember (I know you do) talking about all the christians who wrote you because they were soooo afraid to post on here before you came along because of the 'big, bad, gang of us' who don't agree with you? Well, look at the flipside of that. Do you ever wonder who else is afraid because of what THEY see? Now put that out in real life and you'll have a HUGE clue why I get so bothered by some of what you write. Gay teenagers should not be committing suicide because of bullies under the guise of god's word. That is but one thing. I am NOT saying you are solely responsible for anything, so leave that alone this time. You are a 'RIGHT-FIGHTER'. You will fight to be right no matter what it takes. You might win one battle, but lose the entire war and that is NOT what this world needs right now.
edited to add: By the way, if what I say or 'we' say, makes no sense to you, maybe you just aren't able to grasp it because everyone else seems to understand it just fine.
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Yep, I have several people who hate me now. lol Suppose it's to be expected, though, when I'm attempting to rip away their invisible security blankets and replace them with something tangible. ;) ;D
For an atheist, you're extremely obsessed with religion. HAH.
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Like I said Walks.....SHE made the connection. As far as lying....nope. I have nothing to repent of....certainly not Truth.
I still stand by my post.
As far as glaringly looking down my nose....that's your conception. You can hold any standard you want. None of my business. I'm not going to stand idly by anymore, and have new people come on here and get attacked for no good reason, only because they say they believe in God. You've attacked me before, so your welcome to continue to do so. It makes no difference in offense anymore.
Your explanation of calling the horrible names you have, and attacking my character (before) was joking? Now who's lying?
SHE MADE THE CONNECTION, i MADE THE CONNECTION, and anyone with even a minute semblance of reading comprehension skills, memory retention, and have ever read the bible MADE THE FREAKIN CONNECTION.
now, if you are going to be so bold as to insist that you didn't mean it in that regards, I am going to be so bold as to say you are a damned liar.
Speaking of reading comprehension skills......it is glaringly obvious that you are deficient it that, judging from your post, which is very disturbing considering the fact that you made the decision to be a spokesperson for Creator, and attempt to teach Creators intent. This thread was initiated in a joking manner. Me calling you a bigot was no joke. You have repeatedly demonstrated in this forum your superioristic and bigoted attitude.
Just in the past couple of weeks you have been, what could very kindly be called, passive aggressive towards, an non-Christians, gays, Muslims and pretty much anyone else who doesnt toe the dogmatic line that you would impose.
Geez Annella, don't you have to go look, in the mirror, with orgasmic admiration or something?
You sure do degrade others a lot, and it's hilarious how you hypocritically accuse Annella of looking down in others when you all look down on Christians. So it's okay for you to look down on others because you're not a Christian right?
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And even if you quote the whole damn bible you are not going to get us to believe that....GOT IT??? if you are addressing your post IE; sermons to us, just save it for sunday and your minions. GOT IT???
No one has tried getting you to believe it. On the contrary, YOU ALL are the ones trying to sway us to your belief or lack thereof. Hypocrisy at its finest.
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Why will nothing I say convince you? This suggests you aren't interested in reason or evidence...
...which suggests you aren't open to being proven wrong.
...which means you don't care if reality disagrees with your beliefs.
...which suggests your beliefs are completely independent of what is real.
Source: http://www.youtube.com/user/RobTheMonk8#p/u/13/igmkm6QLxiM
So the same applies to you then too right? Considering you consider nothing that we say as well. Or does that only apply to Chrsitians, as most of what you say is hypocritical anyway
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There is only one Creator, Annella, and what we have received pertaining to his intent is very much different then what you claim. He does not approve of discrimination against any group of people. He does not approve of intolerance aimed at others with differing lifestyles. He does not approve of any human, attempting to bar, any other human from moving about the world freely, nor does he approve of anyone attempting to force their lifestyle or morals on others.
Your teachings are completely false and were conceived by men whose sole motivation was self serving and wanted to control others and force them to be subservient and compliant. Now, if that is the way you wish to live great, but you are in no way superior, in any way to anyone else and have absolutely no right to attempt to hinder them in any fashion from living their life any way they choose, nor teaching others intolerance toward ANY others. The ONLY possible exception is in the case that we ALL should be totally 100% intolerant of ANYONE victimizing an other.
People on here, ask you and others a question and request a simple yes or no. You can't do that, you have to start quoting bible verses and preaching a sermon. How hard is it to answer simple yes.......or no? Unless of course you are, as I very much suspect, attempting to distance yourself from any guilt associated with the answer, and instead want to lay all the blame at Creators feet.
You have repeatedly refused to answer my question pertaining to what your thoughts are on the "Doctrine of Discovery" siting the reason that you wont converse with me because I don't believe in the bible. However, you have absolutely no problem conversing with me on any other subject matter. and further more, what in the hell does the bible have to do with the doctrine in question? The is nothing in the bible about it. You refuse because you know that you have very racist and superioristic convictions related to divine Christian rights and haven't yet been able to find any bible verses to use to place culpability upon.
Admit it Annella, you are a supremacist, as are damned near every Christian, not all, mind you, but all the ones who are to brain dead to actually form a thought or conviction for themselves.
I'll admit nothing to you, except that you have your opinion and are entitled to it.
Your whining about your people, with hatred and animosity, does nothing to endear anyone to your side. While you lay all your problems with your people at my feet? Here's a reality check......I've no power to help your people, but I understand you've singled me out as your scapegoat, so have at it.
My methods get results or else I would have quit the fight years ago. I have not, and will not lay any thing concerning my people at your feet. Why would I? It is the very mindset that landed them/us in our present state.
I believe "The Doctrine of Discovery" was answered in a previous thread. Not by me, but by someone....I remember seeing it. As far as conversing with you about anything......I try not to. You are very intolerant of my belief in the Bible, and that I call myself a Christian, because you hold me as a Christian, liable for the place your people are in right now. Do you have any idea how loco and absurd that sounds? I mean really?
I'm not asking anyone else for their thoughts, I am asking you!
As far as being intolerant with races and people, who in the world are you referring to?????
Are you still admiring yourself in the mirror? Good
Look, put any title on me you want. Guess what? I don't care. I do know that if you keep up such hate, animosity, and spewing negativity, your going to find yourself with a heart attack. Life is a beautiful thing, and the gift of life most precious that our Creator gave us. Live it with some love brother......you'll live longer.
My health has absolutely nothing to do with the struggle. Every piece of the of the circle is equally important as every other piece, but the circle as a whole is much more important then any individual. Pretty foreign concept, huh?
You couldn't wrap your tiny little mind around the amount of devotion I have for others.....and I am not your damn brother.
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And even if you quote the whole damn bible you are not going to get us to believe that....GOT IT??? if you are addressing your post IE; sermons to us, just save it for sunday and your minions. GOT IT???
No one has tried getting you to believe it. On the contrary, YOU ALL are the ones trying to sway us to your belief or lack thereof. Hypocrisy at its finest.
You will never know what my beliefs are and you are definitely not welcome to them.
And she knows posting all those biblical quotes isn't going to mean any thing to us thats just one of her ways of stroking her own ego.
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NOTHING you post is going to change my stance (Christian) or my way of posting!
Re: "Nothing you can say can convince me otherwise"...and similar expressions. The phrase comes in more varieties than a person might immediately recognize. It's sometimes too subtle to notice the sort of confession to which we've been privy.
- It is the dismissal of all forthcoming evidence.
- It is the denial of all future discoveries and progress (potential or imminent).
- It's the outright rejection of all current knowledge that may stand contrary to the speaker's position.
- It's worse than confirmation bias; it declares that confirmation is unnecessary...
...and falsification is impossible.
But, happily, it is also a betrayal of the speaker's methods. A method which can be pulled apart before their eyes.
If you are such a person, consider the following:
Why will nothing I say convince you? This suggests you aren't interested in reason or evidence...
...which suggests you aren't open to being proven wrong.
...which means you don't care if reality disagrees with your beliefs.
...which suggests your beliefs are completely independent of what is real.
Source: http://www.youtube.com/user/RobTheMonk8#p/u/13/igmkm6QLxiM
Or how about this..... I've read all your arguments. Read all the pros/cons postings to your arguments. In the end realized that it just made my Faith stronger in what I do believe to be Truth, and the Bible is correct, just like I always knew it was.
Someone (you) on the other hand can spout their stand of evolution and atheistic rhetoric as "real", when in all fairness has been blown full of holes on so many threads on this forum, it's not funny. Even when Sherene posted websites pointing to her key points (as a Christian), you brushed all that aside, and chided her for even using said websites, when you refer to atheistic websites constantly. This suggests that I can claim the same accusations you are making.
As far as current knowledge, discoveries, and progress. Are you implying that I'm still in the dark ages? I better get rid of my computer, DVD player, Cell Phone, etc. then.
Since I'm not wrong, and the Bible is not wrong, why should I be concerned with a teaching that clearly goes against such? Why should I be open to false teaching to the infallible Word of God. I'm not going to go looking for margarine, when I have butter in my hands. Kinda silly to throw the real Truth away for a false one.
Confirmation is necessary, and Confirmation has been given to you many times over. However, since you don't believe in God OR the Bible, what accusation are you making lobbing at me?
You stated in another thread that I was "lost" to you as a convert to atheism. Just remember that, because it won't change. All your nonsense posted above is nothing more than an effort to muddy my conviction in what I believe.....good luck lol
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And even if you quote the whole damn bible you are not going to get us to believe that....GOT IT??? if you are addressing your post IE; sermons to us, just save it for sunday and your minions. GOT IT???
I'll post on this forum anything I like, anytime I like. Oh, your not the only one reading on this forum, so you don't have to believe it.
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And even if you quote the whole damn bible you are not going to get us to believe that....GOT IT??? if you are addressing your post IE; sermons to us, just save it for sunday and your minions. GOT IT???
No one has tried getting you to believe it. On the contrary, YOU ALL are the ones trying to sway us to your belief or lack thereof. Hypocrisy at its finest.
You will never know what my beliefs are and you are definitely not welcome to them.
And she knows posting all those biblical quotes isn't going to mean any thing to us thats just one of her ways of stroking her own ego.
Couldn't care less about your beliefs either, but you are all sure concerned with our Christian beliefs :)
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NOTHING you post is going to change my stance (Christian) or my way of posting!
Re: "Nothing you can say can convince me otherwise"...and similar expressions. The phrase comes in more varieties than a person might immediately recognize. It's sometimes too subtle to notice the sort of confession to which we've been privy.
- It is the dismissal of all forthcoming evidence.
- It is the denial of all future discoveries and progress (potential or imminent).
- It's the outright rejection of all current knowledge that may stand contrary to the speaker's position.
- It's worse than confirmation bias; it declares that confirmation is unnecessary...
...and falsification is impossible.
But, happily, it is also a betrayal of the speaker's methods. A method which can be pulled apart before their eyes.
If you are such a person, consider the following:
Why will nothing I say convince you? This suggests you aren't interested in reason or evidence...
...which suggests you aren't open to being proven wrong.
...which means you don't care if reality disagrees with your beliefs.
...which suggests your beliefs are completely independent of what is real.
Source: http://www.youtube.com/user/RobTheMonk8#p/u/13/igmkm6QLxiM
Or how about this..... I've read all your arguments. Read all the pros/cons postings to your arguments. In the end realized that it just made my Faith stronger in what I do believe to be Truth, and the Bible is correct, just like I always knew it was.
Someone (you) on the other hand can spout their stand of evolution and atheistic rhetoric as "real", when in all fairness has been blown full of holes on so many threads on this forum, it's not funny. Even when Sherene posted websites pointing to her key points (as a Christian), you brushed all that aside, and chided her for even using said websites, when you refer to atheistic websites constantly. This suggests that I can claim the same accusations you are making.
As far as current knowledge, discoveries, and progress. Are you implying that I'm still in the dark ages? I better get rid of my computer, DVD player, Cell Phone, etc. then.
Since I'm not wrong, and the Bible is not wrong, why should I be concerned with a teaching that clearly goes against such? Why should I be open to false teaching to the infallible Word of God. I'm not going to go looking for margarine, when I have butter in my hands. Kinda silly to throw the real Truth away for a false one.
Confirmation is necessary, and Confirmation has been given to you many times over. However, since you don't believe in God OR the Bible, what accusation are you making lobbing at me?
You stated in another thread that I was "lost" to you as a convert to atheism. Just remember that, because it won't change. All your nonsense posted above is nothing more than an effort to muddy someone's the issue of my conviction in what I believe.....good luck lol
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Hi Mackenzie! How you be college girl?
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Hi Mackenzie! How you be college girl?
Good just finished up my first round of tests :) all A's as of now, so off to a good start for the semester!! How are you?
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People on here, ask you and others a question and request a simple yes or no. You can't do that, you have to start quoting bible verses and preaching a sermon. How hard is it to answer simple yes.......or no? Unless of course you are, as I very much suspect, attempting to distance yourself from any guilt associated with the answer, and instead want to lay all the blame at Creators feet.
This is exactly why I said what I did in another thread when QON asked a question of Annella and jcribb and also asked they use their own thoughts on it. I said I highly doubted Annella would answer it - my exact words were: "Without using the standard pool of answers ie the Bible says, it might not be answered. That takes some out-of-the-box thinking and that's definitely not something I see from one person you asked." It did not get answered and I was informed I was 'baiting' Annella. Isn't it funny that everytime she is called out on anything it is 'baiting', singling out, making her the scapegoat'? Wow, I wish I was that special. I need to stop answering what I am asked and I need to stop admitting when I am wrong or out of line. I'll leave that to all the others who do it from now on and I'll use the 'being picked on' defense instead. Problem being, I have no book to draw all my words from or back me up. Hmm, I'll have to ponder that one awhile and see what I can come up with.
Annella, I don't think you have an idea what freedom of thought even is. How can you when every single thing comes down to what is in the Bible? Telling everyone who doesn't agree with you "It's your opinion, you're entitled to it." and the rest of your standard evasiveness is NOT giving an answer when you are asked about anything. Maybe you should look at what passive-aggressive behavior means, because I don't think you have a clue. It has NOTHING to do with "being open about your faith and what the word of god says" as you wrote. If you did, you would realize you are the epitome of it on this forum. The oh so sweet "love yous, the hearts, the prayers for people who don't ask for them" and the rest you dole out to the ones you agree with, the ones you try to make submissive by your words, don't fly when put up against the "hate Islamics, don't encourage the homosexuals - unless they are the ones you can 'fix' - instead go out and preach against someone else's life and be proud of yourself for doing it." That is a message of love, along with all the rest of your intolerance, for anything not in that book?
This has nothing to do with whatever you want to live your life by. It has everything to do with dictating how you feel others should live theirs. Quit sounding like the robot who got the very best programming - you aren't all that.
LOL For one thing, I have no idea what your talking about? What question are you talking about? Again jordandog it matters little to me what you think of me.......or your opinion of me. However, your free to give it.
There are 3 on here that I always disagree with....you, qon, and walksalone. All three of you have made it quite clear that you don't agree with me.....great! So we disagree. What is your problem? Nothing you say is going to make me agree with you. Call all the names you want, apply all the negative titles, I don't care.....got it?
NOTHING you post is going to change my stance (Christian) or my way of posting! As far as "dictating" how others should live their life? What are you referring to? I love how you guys throw out these half baked statements, and then when I ask what you mean? You don't say. I think you just throw things out there that seem to sound good to you, when in actuality they make no sense.
You seem to have a lousy memory when it is convenient. This is the question from QON in thread "killing in the name of...":
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Jcribb and Annella -- I appreciate your responses, really I do, but you didn't answer my question. I didn't ask if you wanted me to go to hell, I asked if you think solely for being a non-believer, I *deserve* it. It's a yes or no question.
Do YOU guys think it is right to punish otherwise good people forever on the sole basis of being skeptical of the god claims, OR being in the wrong religion? Yes or no. Don't say "only god can judge"; I really want to know if deep in your heart, you think it's morally correct?
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Not one of us throws out any "half-baked statements" and when we get asked a question as to what we are talking about, we provide an answer. Of course you disagree with the 3 of us! We are the only ones who seem to have the cojones to call you out on the BS you write. This has not one thing to do with 'liking you', I don't know you as a person, I know you by what you write on here. I do not like prejudice, I do not like superiority, and I do not like fake fawning over people - it doesn't matter if it is you or anyone else on here, you just seem to be the one who does it the most.
In your mind, the Bible 'dictates' how the whole world should be and how everyone should act. That is NOT how the real world works and it shows very little love of your fellow human unless they meet the standards set forth in that book. You choose to live the way you want and I choose to live the way I want, who cares? I don't care either if we disagree, never have. Now, since we are strictly on a website, that is my only source to voice my thoughts so i wll apply this in that context. What I do care about are all the people on FC who might be gay, who might be Islamic/Muslims, who might be absolutely terrified because they are dying right now and what do they see? They see the horrendous words you write as a follower and preacher of what is in one book and you condemning them for how they live. Remember (I know you do) talking about all the christians who wrote you because they were soooo afraid to post on here before you came along because of the 'big, bad, gang of us' who don't agree with you? Well, look at the flipside of that. Do you ever wonder who else is afraid because of what THEY see? Now put that out in real life and you'll have a HUGE clue why I get so bothered by some of what you write. Gay teenagers should not be committing suicide because of bullies under the guise of god's word. That is but one thing. I am NOT saying you are solely responsible for anything, so leave that alone this time. You are a 'RIGHT-FIGHTER'. You will fight to be right no matter what it takes. You might win one battle, but lose the entire war and that is NOT what this world needs right now.
edited to add: By the way, if what I say or 'we' say, makes no sense to you, maybe you just aren't able to grasp it because everyone else seems to understand it just fine.
If anyone rejects Christ, and this great Salvation, they will go to hell......clear enough for you? Do I believe it? YES!
Does the Bible say that homosexuality is a sin.....YES? Do I believe that? YES? Clear enough for you?
You don't have to agree with me or the Bible.....but I WILL!! Clear enough for you? Since when did I say anything about gay teenagers being bullied and it was okay? Is it right? NO! Do I hate gays? NO! Clear enough for you?
Jordandog, your very good for putting in a lot of things that I'm supposedly guilty of when I have nothing to do with it, or have never commented on it, or anything. I'm mean really....your being absurd.
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And even if you quote the whole damn bible you are not going to get us to believe that....GOT IT??? if you are addressing your post IE; sermons to us, just save it for sunday and your minions. GOT IT???
No one has tried getting you to believe it. On the contrary, YOU ALL are the ones trying to sway us to your belief or lack thereof. Hypocrisy at its finest.
You will never know what my beliefs are and you are definitely not welcome to them.
And she knows posting all those biblical quotes isn't going to mean any thing to us thats just one of her ways of stroking her own ego.
LOL Your posts are so "out there" it's comical. I'm not trying to sway you anywhere. If you don't like my Biblical quotes that I post to someone else....then leave!! You certainly won't stop me!!
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I've been reading and following this thread, and then I saw this:
What I do care about are all the people on FC who might be gay, who might be Islamic/Muslims, who might be absolutely terrified because they are dying right now and what do they see? They see the horrendous words you write as a follower and preacher of what is in one book and you condemning them for how they live. Remember (I know you do) talking about all the christians who wrote you because they were soooo afraid to post on here before you came along because of the 'big, bad, gang of us' who don't agree with you? Well, look at the flipside of that. Do you ever wonder who else is afraid because of what THEY see? Now put that out in real life and you'll have a HUGE clue why I get so bothered by some of what you write. Gay teenagers should not be committing suicide because of bullies under the guise of god's word.
...and I almost cried. I think this could be applied to more than Annella, though. There are many people on here who need to read this statement, and I think it was beautifully written, Jordandog.
At this point, it feels like this thread has become an anti-Annella thread, and it bothers me. I need to quote a post I made a couple weeks back from a different thread...and I think it applies (bolded for emphasis).
I don't care personally whether or not someone believes homosexuality is a sin, whether it is abnormal or unnatural or contrary to what g-d wants for us. The only actions we can control are those we personally take. And I believe, wholeheartedly, the more someone votes against gay rights, the more someone preaches against gay rights, and the more people uphold "praying the gay away" that it damages more than it saves.
Everyone, not just the young men who died in these cases, but everyone involved is effected by this. Religion and faith should be about love and acceptance...I don't see any love or acceptance here. To ignore this is wrong. These are human beings, g-d's children, and regardless of whether or not they were born gay or made a choice to be gay, they deserved much more respect than what they received. There is so much fighting over the semantics of the issue that it is easily forgotten and/or ignored that these are real human beings lives at stake here. We live in a culture where children and young adults get the idea that its okay to treat someone badly because they are different. That needs to stop. Until it does, there will be more victims of hate.
I don't care personally who agrees with what, who agrees or disagrees with me...there is a serious lack of people referring to others without respect...not just in this thread. I am all for stating beliefs, disagreeing, and having a discussion about that. I doubt I'll be posting again here on this thread, but I just want to say something. This will be the third time I've felt the need to speak up and say something to defend Annella. This makes me sad. I know her outside of FC, and it saddens me that there are few on here who know Annella to be the wonderful person I know, despite our disagreements.
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I've been reading and following this thread, and then I saw this:
What I do care about are all the people on FC who might be gay, who might be Islamic/Muslims, who might be absolutely terrified because they are dying right now and what do they see? They see the horrendous words you write as a follower and preacher of what is in one book and you condemning them for how they live. Remember (I know you do) talking about all the christians who wrote you because they were soooo afraid to post on here before you came along because of the 'big, bad, gang of us' who don't agree with you? Well, look at the flipside of that. Do you ever wonder who else is afraid because of what THEY see? Now put that out in real life and you'll have a HUGE clue why I get so bothered by some of what you write. Gay teenagers should not be committing suicide because of bullies under the guise of god's word.
...and I almost cried. I think this could be applied to more than Annella, though. There are many people on here who need to read this statement, and I think it was beautifully written, Jordandog.
At this point, it feels like this thread has become an anti-Annella thread, and it bothers me. I need to quote a post I made a couple weeks back from a different thread...and I think it applies (bolded for emphasis).
I don't care personally whether or not someone believes homosexuality is a sin, whether it is abnormal or unnatural or contrary to what g-d wants for us. The only actions we can control are those we personally take. And I believe, wholeheartedly, the more someone votes against gay rights, the more someone preaches against gay rights, and the more people uphold "praying the gay away" that it damages more than it saves.
Everyone, not just the young men who died in these cases, but everyone involved is effected by this. Religion and faith should be about love and acceptance...I don't see any love or acceptance here. To ignore this is wrong. These are human beings, g-d's children, and regardless of whether or not they were born gay or made a choice to be gay, they deserved much more respect than what they received. There is so much fighting over the semantics of the issue that it is easily forgotten and/or ignored that these are real human beings lives at stake here. We live in a culture where children and young adults get the idea that its okay to treat someone badly because they are different. That needs to stop. Until it does, there will be more victims of hate.
I don't care personally who agrees with what, who agrees or disagrees with me...there is a serious lack of people referring to others without respect...not just in this thread. I am all for stating beliefs, disagreeing, and having a discussion about that. I doubt I'll be posting again here on this thread, but I just want to say something. This will be the third time I've felt the need to speak up and say something to defend Annella. This makes me sad. I know her outside of FC, and it saddens me that there are few on here who know Annella to be the wonderful person I know, despite our disagreements.
Thank you Amy.
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I have no problem with "Christians" or any other group of people with the sole exception of people who think they are in anyway superior then anyone else, that goes for anyone regardless of their beliefs or lack there of.
I have never been one to sugar coat any of my words and have more of a chance for someone mis-understand my stance. It is also very hard for me to show respect to someone which I have none for.
Everyone in here knows that I show respect towards respectable people.
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I will say it again, you guys can't debate. It would be funny to see Richard Dawkins or Stephen Hawkings display the same kind of behavior you guys have.
The name calling and putting each other down, ah it is hilarious...
Shall I call you the pot or the kettle?
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If anyone rejects Christ, and this great Salvation, they will go to hell......clear enough for you? Do I believe it? YES!
How can you reject something that has never been real?
Pick a belief Marie, you can't change your view to fit every different thread.
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I have no problem with "Christians" or any other group of people with the sole exception of people who think they are in anyway superior then anyone else, that goes for anyone regardless of their beliefs or lack there of.
I have never been one to sugar coat any of my words and have more of a chance for someone mis-understand my stance. It is also very hard for me to show respect to someone which I have none for.
Everyone in here knows that I show respect towards respectable people.
I don't remember disrespecting you whenever you began insinuating I was a lesbian with Annella, mocking my name, and saying I pretend to be smarter than I am.
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I have no problem with "Christians" or any other group of people with the sole exception of people who think they are in anyway superior then anyone else, that goes for anyone regardless of their beliefs or lack there of.
I have never been one to sugar coat any of my words and have more of a chance for someone mis-understand my stance. It is also very hard for me to show respect to someone which I have none for.
Everyone in here knows that I show respect towards respectable people.
Maybe you don't like my stance because I don't sugar coat it either. I don't shrink from the Gospel, downplay it, waffle on it's words, soft pedal it, etc. That doesn't make me superior, that makes me a follower of the Gospel, and live what it says. Your accusation of superiority is your conception of me. You don't know me in real life, and I don't know you. All we have is this forum, and what words everyone writes.
I think I'm your worst nightmare. Not only am I a Christian, I'm a Minister to boot, and influence others. If we get right down to the bottom of it, that would be my guess why you 3 are so against me. I'm the epitome of everything you despise. You walksalone, because you hate Christians for the very fact that you feel they are responsible for your people's plight. Now me being in the Ministry, and that I influence others, Is a double whammy. When you have no idea what I teach or preach......not really.
Jordandog and qon. Neither one of you believe the Bible or that there is a God. The fact that I do quote scripture to make my point makes you angry. It comes with the territory. It's my career. You have posted long posts on your career jordondog. Don't I have the right to post my stance or opinion, even if it disagrees with yours? Other Christians have said the very things I have, but for some reason, I'm the bad one? Jordondog, according to you, my love on here is false. My postings of prayer for someone, or "hearts" etc., you called phony. Your attack on my character is absolutely the very thing your accusing me of.
Respect? No Walksalone, you don't respect anyone if they don't agree with you about how the Indians were mistreated by the white Christians. How do I know what happened before I was born? It seems you want everyone that is white, and believes in God to "pay" for something we know nothing about? It doesn't matter though, because your going to keep posting your hate and discontent towards "white Christian supremacy". What does that mean really? Yes, I believe your people were lied to in many instances where "Treaties" were to be honored and upheld, but were broken. Do you think your the only race that has been discriminated against? The very thing you abhor what's happening to your people, your heaping scorn and hate upon the very ones that can actually help better your way of life. Very wise.......
I read all your posts about the alcoholism and it's problems. While I feel for your people, they are not unique in the fact that there are many people of all races that don't have enough to eat, are bound by alcoholism, drugs, you name it. They are in a pit and can't get out. Go ahead and hate Christians and the church, when we do all we can to assuage some of the hurt and hunger in the world. You would have a point if all we did was hoard our money and helped nobody but ourselves. I've had homeless people in my home, until they can get on their feet, find a job, get housing, etc......surprised? I'm reluctant to tell you these things because then I'm boasting right?
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Mackenzie, I wanted to comment on your straight A's. Way to go girl! :heart: It's not easy I know.
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I have no problem with "Christians" or any other group of people with the sole exception of people who think they are in anyway superior then anyone else, that goes for anyone regardless of their beliefs or lack there of.
I have never been one to sugar coat any of my words and have more of a chance for someone mis-understand my stance. It is also very hard for me to show respect to someone which I have none for.
Everyone in here knows that I show respect towards respectable people.
I don't remember disrespecting you whenever you began insinuating I was a lesbian with Annella, mocking my name, and saying I pretend to be smarter than I am.
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Mackenzie, I wanted to comment on your straight A's. Way to go girl! :heart: It's not easy I know.
Why thank ya very much, trying to keep up my 4.0...gonna be tough when I get to my tougher accounting classes haha so I better keep all A's now.
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And even if you quote the whole damn bible you are not going to get us to believe that....GOT IT??? if you are addressing your post IE; sermons to us, just save it for sunday and your minions. GOT IT???
No one has tried getting you to believe it. On the contrary, YOU ALL are the ones trying to sway us to your belief or lack thereof. Hypocrisy at its finest.
You will never know what my beliefs are and you are definitely not welcome to them.
And she knows posting all those biblical quotes isn't going to mean any thing to us thats just one of her ways of stroking her own ego.
LOL Your posts are so "out there" it's comical. I'm not trying to sway you anywhere. If you don't like my Biblical quotes that I post to someone else....then leave!! You certainly won't stop me!!
Thank you Annella, I have been considering doing just that but you just helped me make my mind up. No....I think I will stay and be a constant thorn in your side. How many times does this make with you telling people to leave this forum? You just cant stand the fact that you are powerless to censor members in here. I wonder if admin. knows how hard you have been working to run their members off like this?
Well, good luck with running this member off.
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And even if you quote the whole damn bible you are not going to get us to believe that....GOT IT??? if you are addressing your post IE; sermons to us, just save it for sunday and your minions. GOT IT???
No one has tried getting you to believe it. On the contrary, YOU ALL are the ones trying to sway us to your belief or lack thereof. Hypocrisy at its finest.
You will never know what my beliefs are and you are definitely not welcome to them.
And she knows posting all those biblical quotes isn't going to mean any thing to us thats just one of her ways of stroking her own ego.
LOL Your posts are so "out there" it's comical. I'm not trying to sway you anywhere. If you don't like my Biblical quotes that I post to someone else....then leave!! You certainly won't stop me!!
Thank you Annella, I have been considering doing just that but you just helped me make my mind up. No....I think I will stay and be a constant thorn in your side. How many times does this make with you telling people to leave this forum? You just cant stand the fact that you are powerless to censor members in here. I wonder if admin. knows how hard you have been working to run their members off like this?
Well, good luck with running this member off.
I've never tried to run anyone off. Your post makes no sense. It's a public forum open to everyone. If you don't like my posts, then don't read them is what I should have said. Your hardly a thorn in my side. Your a poster on a forum as I am. This forum is pretty insignificant in the big scheme of things.
It's amazing how you take anything I say, and add to it, twist it around, and make it into some negative spin, or I'm doing this or that....lol Go ahead and try to prove to Admin that I'm running off people.....I'd love to see that proof....LOL
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I have no problem with "Christians" or any other group of people with the sole exception of people who think they are in anyway superior then anyone else, that goes for anyone regardless of their beliefs or lack there of.
I have never been one to sugar coat any of my words and have more of a chance for someone mis-understand my stance. It is also very hard for me to show respect to someone which I have none for.
Everyone in here knows that I show respect towards respectable people.
I don't remember disrespecting you whenever you began insinuating I was a lesbian with Annella, mocking my name, and saying I pretend to be smarter than I am.
***sigh*** No Mack, I was not insinuating any kind of homosexual relationship. I was using the "humping her leg" metaphor in relation to what appeared to me of you fawning all over her and making posts simply to win her admiration. I thought you would recognize that.....you know, with your superior intelligence and all........
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And even if you quote the whole damn bible you are not going to get us to believe that....GOT IT??? if you are addressing your post IE; sermons to us, just save it for sunday and your minions. GOT IT???
No one has tried getting you to believe it. On the contrary, YOU ALL are the ones trying to sway us to your belief or lack thereof. Hypocrisy at its finest.
You will never know what my beliefs are and you are definitely not welcome to them.
And she knows posting all those biblical quotes isn't going to mean any thing to us thats just one of her ways of stroking her own ego.
LOL Your posts are so "out there" it's comical. I'm not trying to sway you anywhere. If you don't like my Biblical quotes that I post to someone else....then leave!! You certainly won't stop me!!
Thank you Annella, I have been considering doing just that but you just helped me make my mind up. No....I think I will stay and be a constant thorn in your side. How many times does this make with you telling people to leave this forum? You just cant stand the fact that you are powerless to censor members in here. I wonder if admin. knows how hard you have been working to run their members off like this?
Well, good luck with running this member off.
I've never tried to run anyone off. Your post makes no sense. It's a public forum open to everyone. If you don't like my posts, then don't read them is what I should have said. Your hardly a thorn in my side. Your a poster on a forum as I am. This forum is pretty insignificant in the big scheme of things.
can you say "backstroke"? LMIAO
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I have no problem with "Christians" or any other group of people with the sole exception of people who think they are in anyway superior then anyone else, that goes for anyone regardless of their beliefs or lack there of.
I have never been one to sugar coat any of my words and have more of a chance for someone mis-understand my stance. It is also very hard for me to show respect to someone which I have none for.
Everyone in here knows that I show respect towards respectable people.
I don't remember disrespecting you whenever you began insinuating I was a lesbian with Annella, mocking my name, and saying I pretend to be smarter than I am.
***sigh*** No Mack, I was not insinuating any kind of homosexual relationship. I was using the "humping her leg" metaphor in relation to what appeared to me of you fawning all over her and making posts simply to win her admiration. I thought you would recognize that.....you know, with your superior intelligence and all........
LOL And I have some prime land I want to sell you also........ ;) Oh, btw, Mackenzie does have my admiration. Getting straight A's in college speak for themselves. I'd call that superior intelligence. The girl is only 19, and can project herself quite well, with higher than average articulation.
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I have no problem with "Christians" or any other group of people with the sole exception of people who think they are in anyway superior then anyone else, that goes for anyone regardless of their beliefs or lack there of.
I have never been one to sugar coat any of my words and have more of a chance for someone mis-understand my stance. It is also very hard for me to show respect to someone which I have none for.
Everyone in here knows that I show respect towards respectable people.
I don't remember disrespecting you whenever you began insinuating I was a lesbian with Annella, mocking my name, and saying I pretend to be smarter than I am.
***sigh*** No Mack, I was not insinuating any kind of homosexual relationship. I was using the "humping her leg" metaphor in relation to what appeared to me of you fawning all over her and making posts simply to win her admiration. I thought you would recognize that.....you know, with your superior intelligence and all........
Funny how I never claimed superior intelligence haha, but allright. "sigh" I'm talking about how you said it should be against my religion to have the name Mack in my screen name. and that by having it i was a dyke, and that too was against my religion
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Oh, and we don't berate you about trying to force your beliefs about indians on everyone- yet you berate us for NOT trying to force our religion on you. Get off your high horse, you're no better than us, and you're not going to change our beliefs. Oh, and you are by far one of the most disrespectful people I've come across, don't fool yourself into thinking otherwise.
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Oh, and we don't berate you about trying to force your beliefs about indians on everyone- yet you berate us for NOT trying to force our religion on you. Get off your high horse, you're no better than us, and you're not going to change our beliefs. Oh, and you are by far one of the most disrespectful people I've come across, don't fool yourself into thinking otherwise.
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Wow, I am just reading this thread for the first time today.
I do NOT like what I am seeing in here. I agree with Amy, I speak to Annella outside this forum and I don't perceive her as fake in any way. She isn't perfect, she gets heated and frustrated and says things in emotional upheavel...as we all do but I don't like what this thread has become. :angry7:
This thread is nothing but flaming! :sad1:
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:cat: Hi, Annella! I have been gone all day and just caught up reading my bookmarks. There has been a lot going on in here. Here's a couple of verses for you:
1 Peter 4:14,16
"If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part He is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified."
"Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf."
I am appalled at this "Pick on Annella Day."
It most certainly has not been a debate in here, but a "back in the corner" of Annella.
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Mackenzie, I wanted to comment on your straight A's. Way to go girl! :heart: It's not easy I know.
Why thank ya very much, trying to keep up my 4.0...gonna be tough when I get to my tougher accounting classes haha so I better keep all A's now.
Congratulations, Mackenzie!!! :thumbsup:
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Quote from walksalone:
People on here, ask you and others a question and request a simple yes or no. You can't do that, you have to start quoting bible verses and preaching a sermon. How hard is it to answer simple yes.......or no? Unless of course you are, as I very much suspect, attempting to distance yourself from any guilt associated with the answer, and instead want to lay all the blame at Creators feet.
Walksalone, Sometimes answers cannot be given as a yes or no. A few questions being asked of Christians lately, have been nothing but a "trap" and as a Christian, the Bible is one way we back our answers. We may feel a certain yes or no, but as a Christian, we also need to understand that our human answers are what we "feel" and our Lord has His own reasons for what He does and expect (example: hell) and for showing that what we "feel" is not necessarily what the absolute answer is.
Also, a couple of questions recently asked of Annella and of myself came directly from an atheist video of talk show with a couple of men that encourage these type questions, and so one poster on here was simply channeling her question and attitude right from the men with the same Yes/No only demand. That demand isn't going to "trap" a Christian into what the atheist "wants" to push the Christian to say, without the Christian backing it up scripturally.
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Wow, I am just reading this thread for the first time today.
I do NOT like what I am seeing in here. I agree with Amy, I speak to Annella outside this forum and I don't perceive her as fake in any way. She isn't perfect, she gets heated and frustrated and says things in emotional upheavel...as we all do but I don't like what this thread has become. :angry7:
This thread is nothing but flaming! :sad1:
I say things according to scripture, not emotional upheaval. However, frustrated is a good analogy. ;D
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:cat: Hi, Annella! I have been gone all day and just caught up reading my bookmarks. There has been a lot going on in here. Here's a couple of verses for you:
1 Peter 4:14,16
"If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part He is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified."
"Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf."
I am appalled at this "Pick on Annella Day."
It most certainly has not been a debate in here, but a "back in the corner" of Annella.
Thank you dear for the scriptures :heart:
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I just realized that this thread put me over 1,000 posts.....lol I should get confetti or something huh?
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Mackenzie, I wanted to comment on your straight A's. Way to go girl! :heart: It's not easy I know.
Why thank ya very much, trying to keep up my 4.0...gonna be tough when I get to my tougher accounting classes haha so I better keep all A's now.
Congratulations, Mackenzie!!! :thumbsup:
Thank you! && those were great verses!!
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Mackenzie, I wanted to comment on your straight A's. Way to go girl! :heart: It's not easy I know.
Why thank ya very much, trying to keep up my 4.0...gonna be tough when I get to my tougher accounting classes haha so I better keep all A's now.
Congratulations, Mackenzie!!! :thumbsup:
Thank you! && those were great verses!!
Thanks! They were part of the message this morning at church. Looks like they were given at the right time! :)
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I just realized that this thread put me over 1,000 posts.....lol I should get confetti or something huh?
Congrats!!! That's a big step! :)
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I just realized that this thread put me over 1,000 posts.....lol I should get confetti or something huh?
Congrats!!! That's a big step! :)
Or it's witness that I have a lot of hot air......lol
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I have no problem with "Christians" or any other group of people with the sole exception of people who think they are in anyway superior then anyone else, that goes for anyone regardless of their beliefs or lack there of.
I have never been one to sugar coat any of my words and have more of a chance for someone mis-understand my stance. It is also very hard for me to show respect to someone which I have none for.
Everyone in here knows that I show respect towards respectable people.
Well put!! And I know exactly what you mean. NO ONE is better than another just for what someone does in life. Its actually really distasteful coming on here and seeing allot of what people say and type to others. And regarding another post anyone can learn more about any belief. That pisses me off that you would tell someone to pick one and stay with it. GROW UP. There is more to the world than religion and your flock of sheep.
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Amy, I needed to acknowledge and say thank you for this. Yes, it should be read by and applied to more than Annella, you are correct on that.
I've been reading and following this thread, and then I saw this:
Quote from: jordandog on October 17, 2010, 08:34:06 pm
What I do care about are all the people on FC who might be gay, who might be Islamic/Muslims, who might be absolutely terrified because they are dying right now and what do they see? They see the horrendous words you write as a follower and preacher of what is in one book and you condemning them for how they live. Remember (I know you do) talking about all the christians who wrote you because they were soooo afraid to post on here before you came along because of the 'big, bad, gang of us' who don't agree with you? Well, look at the flipside of that. Do you ever wonder who else is afraid because of what THEY see? Now put that out in real life and you'll have a HUGE clue why I get so bothered by some of what you write. Gay teenagers should not be committing suicide because of bullies under the guise of god's word.
...and I almost cried. I think this could be applied to more than Annella, though. There are many people on here who need to read this statement, and I think it was beautifully written, Jordandog.
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For an atheist, you're extremely obsessed with religion. HAH.
For a Christian, you're extremely on par with saying clueless, cliche things. Can't you guys come up with some original one-liners?
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I would say it is not an obsession with religion at all. Believe whatever you or anyone else choose to believe. It is a strong desire to stop the harm done to huge groups of people by religion. There is a big difference. That's my opinion on it anyway.
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So the same applies to you then too right? Considering you consider nothing that we say as well.
Let's examine this "I'm rubber, you're glue" assertion, shall we? What's the major difference between you and I? I HAVE sincerely been were you've been, the only difference being I was able to get out of my position once I realized I was wrong.
In the end realized that it just made my Faith stronger in what I do believe to be Truth, and the Bible is correct, just like I always knew it was.
You're forgetting one key detail...why does it make your faith stronger? Because you're stubborn to any and all of the arguments based in reality; none of them matter, you're just too scared to give up your false hope of heaven, your invisible protector, your sense of community with your church. THIS IS ALWAYS THE REAL ANSWER.
Someone (you) on the other hand can spout their stand of evolution and atheistic rhetoric as "real", when in all fairness has been blown full of holes on so many threads on this forum, it's not funny.
Newsflash: Anyone posting on a forum for $3/mo. is probably not an expert qualified to "tear holes in the fact of evolution". Your friends copy-pasting from creationist sites might satisfy you, but almost none of it is reputable in the real world.
Even when Sherene posted websites pointing to her key points (as a Christian), you brushed all that aside
No, not entirely. I thought about god supposedly only murdering sinful people in the OT like she claims, that was just the harsh punishment, etc. I really did. However, because I've been on both sides of the coin, I can now accurately judge which one is correct, and it's not Christianity. I am not clouded by my feelings like Christianity requires; therefore, I'm able to clearly see all of the problems with it. The reason you can't is due to your feelings and a deep-seated need for it to be true. I, on the other hand, am brave enough to face reality for what it really is - not just what I want it to be.
Would you want to know if god didn't really exist? A lot of people would say no. Not me.
Are you implying that I'm still in the dark ages?
What technology you own thanks to science wasn't my point. You've got a body in the 21st century and a mind that predates the Dark Ages. A collection of said minds holds back and hinders scientific and societal progress. Things aren't nearly as advanced as they could be.
All your nonsense posted above is nothing more than an effort to muddy my conviction in what I believe.....good luck lol
And your tone proves you're dogmatic to the core. You make bold assertions like "I know the Bible is true" - no, you don't know. If you were intellectually honest at all you'd be able to admit that you only believe, based on very feeble evidence, and primarily because of your FEELINGS. A.k.a. not logic, reason, or facts.
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I'm mean really....your being absurd.
Heh, I'm sure jdog found it just as funny as I did that once again, you judged/were critical, grammatically-incorrect style. And you bolded it to boot. lol
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Seriously, all god has to do is show himself and then people will accept him as real...No, he has to play a little game, so he can send people to hell.
EXACTLY. That's something I realized when I came away from my Christianity, too, hon.
It is difficult to accept when we die that is it, many people hold onto the belief in God, no matter how awful all the stuff in the bible is because they can't deal with just being dead one day, like life never amounts to anything in the end.
Yep. I really don't get why people are SO depressed about death. Sure it sucks, I probably would like to live a few hundred more years, but definitely not forever. You can only be scared about death while you're alive. Once it happens, there will be nothing to be scared of. So why waste your only guaranteed life worrying about it and live it up instead?
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I'm mean really....your being absurd.
Heh, I'm sure jdog found it just as funny as I did that once again, you judged/were critical, grammatically-incorrect style. And you bolded it to boot. lol
I did it on purpose to show how your nitpicking was childish.
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So the same applies to you then too right? Considering you consider nothing that we say as well.
Let's examine this "I'm rubber, you're glue" assertion, shall we? What's the major difference between you and I? I HAVE sincerely been were you've been, the only difference being I was able to get out of my position once I realized I was wrong.
In the end realized that it just made my Faith stronger in what I do believe to be Truth, and the Bible is correct, just like I always knew it was.
You're forgetting one key detail...why does it make your faith stronger? Because you're stubborn to any and all of the arguments based in reality; none of them matter, you're just too scared to give up your false hope of heaven, your invisible protector, your sense of community with your church. THIS IS ALWAYS THE REAL ANSWER.
Someone (you) on the other hand can spout their stand of evolution and atheistic rhetoric as "real", when in all fairness has been blown full of holes on so many threads on this forum, it's not funny.
Newsflash: Anyone posting on a forum for $3/mo. is probably not an expert qualified to "tear holes in the fact of evolution". Your friends copy-pasting from creationist sites might satisfy you, but almost none of it is reputable in the real world.
Even when Sherene posted websites pointing to her key points (as a Christian), you brushed all that aside
No, not entirely. I thought about god supposedly only murdering sinful people in the OT like she claims, that was just the harsh punishment, etc. I really did. However, because I've been on both sides of the coin, I can now accurately judge which one is correct, and it's not Christianity. I am not clouded by my feelings like Christianity requires; therefore, I'm able to clearly see all of the problems with it. The reason you can't is due to your feelings and a deep-seated need for it to be true. I, on the other hand, am brave enough to face reality for what it really is - not just what I want it to be.
Would you want to know if god didn't really exist? A lot of people would say no. Not me.
Are you implying that I'm still in the dark ages?
What technology you own thanks to science wasn't my point. You've got a body in the 21st century and a mind that predates the Dark Ages. A collection of said minds holds back and hinders scientific and societal progress. Things aren't nearly as advanced as they could be.
All your nonsense posted above is nothing more than an effort to muddy my conviction in what I believe.....good luck lol
And your tone proves you're dogmatic to the core. You make bold assertions like "I know the Bible is true" - no, you don't know. If you were intellectually honest at all you'd be able to admit that you only believe, based on very feeble evidence, and primarily because of your FEELINGS. A.k.a. not logic, reason, or facts.
How about I've seen prophecy being fulfilled that was written for our time when the Bible was written? I've tested it's truths and found them to be dead on. The spiritual gifts given to man are in operation in the body of Christ TODAY! I've provided evidence before....did you believe it? NO! I do know the Bible is True. Truer than anything I've ever come up against...science or otherwise. My relationship with the lover of my soul has no fear in it. Logic, reason, or facts are something tangible in the world we live in, however, also in living for God to a point. Then there is that Spiritual realm where logic, reason, and fact don't apply because it's well.....spiritual. Something that anybody who stands on the outside and mocks it will never understand, or be witness to it's power. That's how God made it in His wisdom. I can turn right around and call your arguments feeble evidence!
Sherene gave you good research and evidence to debunk your stance. You then turned around and called her research unsound because of the websites she used. What a hypocrite you are, when the websites you use are Atheistic in nature to prove your point. So what your saying is that your point has merit but ours does not? Kind of like what your accusing me of huh?
As far as your argument about being a Christian before, you don't know much about it. I guarantee whatever Christian based movement you were in, short changed you, or you didn't pay attention. My guess is that you nit picked everything to death, and rebelled because you didn't like the answers you got. Since you made your choice to leave Christianity, your determined now to "rail" on others that actually saw the redeeming power of Christ and stayed around.....unlike you did. Your argument that you see "both sides" is full of holes. You can say all you want that it's not real, and I can say I doubt your reference that you really were a follower of Christ (which the word Christian means). Your statement of "both sides of the coin" has leaks in it.
Your assessment of my mind being in the dark ages is laughable. You and your cronies sure give us a lot of power how we can hold back science, progress, and society moving forward. Man!! We are a powerful force! Do we scare you that bad? Well get ready, because you haven't seen anything yet. We are at the very doors of change, and not the change Obama is talking about either...lol Go read Daniel, Ezekiel, and then Revelations. Oh that's right....you don't believe in the Bible. Oh well, I guess your going to have to be in the dark yourself.
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It's kind of like when we talk about atheists who converted to Christianity and we are told that they weren't really atheist, otherwise they would not have converted. But if we use it the other way around, then we are wrong.
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It's kind of like when we talk about atheists who converted to Christianity and we are told that they weren't really atheist, otherwise they would not have converted. But if we use it the other way around, then we are wrong.
Sherene sweetie, I'm writing you an email. Sorry it's taking me so long to get back to you. Crazy morning, then I got hung up here. Thank you for your love and support. :heart:
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A lot of people don't want to read Daniel, Ezekiel, and Revelations (prophecies fulfilled, being fulfilled, and will be fulfilled) just because of the very truth of them. They would be amazed to read of prophecy being fulfilled even today in this world. And to think prophecies are also given of what's to come - not something I would want to be in, including any of my family, relatives, friends, and acquaintances. In actuality, I wouldn't want anyone to go through what's to come.
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I have no problem with "Christians" or any other group of people with the sole exception of people who think they are in anyway superior then anyone else, that goes for anyone regardless of their beliefs or lack there of.
I have never been one to sugar coat any of my words and have more of a chance for someone mis-understand my stance. It is also very hard for me to show respect to someone which I have none for.
Everyone in here knows that I show respect towards respectable people.
Well put!! And I know exactly what you mean. NO ONE is better than another just for what someone does in life. Its actually really distasteful coming on here and seeing allot of what people say and type to others. And regarding another post anyone can learn more about any belief. That pisses me off that you would tell someone to pick one and stay with it. GROW UP. There is more to the world than religion and your flock of sheep.
Amy, if you want to address me feel free to be mature and call me out by name. Furthermore, read the whole thread. I was referring to her being on another thread claiming to be Baptist then coming on this thread speaking as an atheist and just going along with what others say--I never claimed she had to pick MY religion just that lying is useless. I could care less what religion she is, but she just says stuff to fuel the fire, so feel free to think before ya speak next time.
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I have no problem with "Christians" or any other group of people with the sole exception of people who think they are in anyway superior then anyone else, that goes for anyone regardless of their beliefs or lack there of.
I have never been one to sugar coat any of my words and have more of a chance for someone mis-understand my stance. It is also very hard for me to show respect to someone which I have none for.
Everyone in here knows that I show respect towards respectable people.
Well put!! And I know exactly what you mean. NO ONE is better than another just for what someone does in life. Its actually really distasteful coming on here and seeing allot of what people say and type to others. And regarding another post anyone can learn more about any belief. That pisses me off that you would tell someone to pick one and stay with it. GROW UP. There is more to the world than religion and your flock of sheep.
Amy, if you want to address me feel free to be mature and call me out by name. Furthermore, read the whole thread. I was referring to her being on another thread claiming to be Baptist then coming on this thread speaking as an atheist and just going along with what others say--I never claimed she had to pick MY religion just that lying is useless. I could care less what religion she is, but she just says stuff to fuel the fire, so feel free to think before ya speak next time.
you don't know me, so don't act like you do. People can change, in fact I change every day. Sorry, you always stay the same. I have been with Fusion Cash for over a year. I am sorry but I have changed a lot since then. So going through old posts is not relevant.
Marie I was referring to stuff you said a few weeks ago if even that long
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Can't you see that the only person you make look bad is yourself?
Allrighty, that'll be the end of this conversation with you. Not getting into another little war, just what you want.
Cool.
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Annella:
Jordandog and qon. Neither one of you believe the Bible or that there is a God. The fact that I do quote scripture to make my point makes you angry. It comes with the territory. It's my career. You have posted long posts on your career jordondog. Don't I have the right to post my stance or opinion, even if it disagrees with yours?
Wait a minute - you are actually comparing what I do to your 'career'? I believe I have integrated what I do for a living in a total of 5 or 6 posts because it happened to be pertinent to the discussion. I do NOT post medical info, quote jargon from textbooks, journals, C.E. symposiums, or anything else in 98% of my replies. That is the opposite of what you do, so I hardly think there is a comparison. You can take this anyway you want, but your 'career' up against mine? I deal in the real world, using real methods, and actual interpretation of facts. I do not do it by using words that have NO factual basis - yes, I know to you all they do. If I talked people into healing, there just might be a comparison. Don't get me going on how many people, from newborns to the elderly, I have seen die unnecessarily because of screwed up religious beliefs that told them to deny medical treatment. I am still worried that the men in your church who (supposedly) were 'ravaged by AIDS' stopped treatments. They were NOT 'cured', they can infect others, and they will die and you have NO idea how much that bothers me and how many times it crosses my mind. That is a very touchy subject for me, so please don't pull out the 'miracle card'. I have already written there are things that can't be explained.
Jordondog, according to you, my love on here is false. My postings of prayer for someone, or "hearts" etc., you called phony. Your attack on my character is absolutely the very thing your accusing me of.
NO, you took that partially out of context. I said [not exact words] they were applied to your chosen few on here that believe and think along the same lines - those I cannot say are false, only you know your feelings, not me. I said I detest fake fawning out of anyone and that is how some of it comes across in my opinion - this is a public forum, not a Hallmark card making site. You seem to go overboard on it whenever things get heated between the 2 sides of the debates. If anyone is being attacked, all of a sudden out comes all the platitudes and it's the passive-aggressive you do not seem to be able to understand even though others seem to. It's like the parent who beats the child and tells them they are "doing it because they love them". You throw down with a personal attack on someone and then turn around and tell the next how much you love them or whatever it is. You don't realize that NONE of US (unless the others do and I am not privy to it) - me, QON, Walks, Falconer, etc. - talk on the phone, e-mail each other, Facebook post, etc., but you do. We do not know what the other one is going to post, yet we all seem to be on the same page even if it is NOT something to do with the Bible. Now, why is that? We don't get together and 'plot' what we are going to say. You have FAR more believers on here now than non-believers yet you make it sound as if we 3 are are huge pack of feral dogs waiting to sink our teeth into your leg. It is really quite comical and shows insecurity more than anything. While saying that, let me add this. I found it very interesting that QON can and has taken umpteen pages in multiple threads of very personal 'attacks' from all of you posting one right after the other, but rarely has one of 'us' jumped in to intercede for her. In those cases it is the many against the one, but she doesn't seem to take it personally which is what debating is supposed to be. We all get down to a personal level at times, as I have also said before. Too many times anything said against religion et al, and not specifically what all of you believe, is taken as a personal attack when it's not. There have been plenty of times I have wanted to defend QON, but I don't feel it is my place. I have said if she wants to defend her stance, she is more than capable of it without help. If anyone is strong in what they stand for, then attacks come with the territory and should be almost expected. Hey, at least we still agree on ice-cream and long naps, right? ;)
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I have no problem with "Christians" or any other group of people with the sole exception of people who think they are in anyway superior then anyone else, that goes for anyone regardless of their beliefs or lack there of.
I have never been one to sugar coat any of my words and have more of a chance for someone mis-understand my stance. It is also very hard for me to show respect to someone which I have none for.
Everyone in here knows that I show respect towards respectable people.
Well put!! And I know exactly what you mean. NO ONE is better than another just for what someone does in life. Its actually really distasteful coming on here and seeing allot of what people say and type to others. And regarding another post anyone can learn more about any belief. That pisses me off that you would tell someone to pick one and stay with it. GROW UP. There is more to the world than religion and your flock of sheep.
Amy, if you want to address me feel free to be mature and call me out by name. Furthermore, read the whole thread. I was referring to her being on another thread claiming to be Baptist then coming on this thread speaking as an atheist and just going along with what others say--I never claimed she had to pick MY religion just that lying is useless. I could care less what religion she is, but she just says stuff to fuel the fire, so feel free to think before ya speak next time.
you don't know me, so don't act like you do. People can change, in fact I change every day. Sorry, you always stay the same. I have been with Fusion Cash for over a year. I am sorry but I have changed a lot since then. So going through old posts is not relevant.
Marie I was referring to stuff you said a few weeks ago if even that long
More like several months ago.
Didn't post in D&D several months ago.
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Annella:Jordandog and qon. Neither one of you believe the Bible or that there is a God. The fact that I do quote scripture to make my point makes you angry. It comes with the territory. It's my career. You have posted long posts on your career jordondog. Don't I have the right to post my stance or opinion, even if it disagrees with yours?
Wait a minute - you are actually comparing what I do to your 'career'? I believe I have integrated what I do for a living in a total of 5 or 6 posts because it happened to be pertinent to the discussion. I do NOT post medical info, quote jargon from textbooks, journals, C.E. symposiums, or anything else in 98% of my replies. That is the opposite of what you do, so I hardly think there is a comparison. You can take this anyway you want, but your 'career' up against mine? I deal in the real world, using real methods, and actual interpretation of facts. I do not do it by using words that have NO factual basis - yes, I know to you all they do. If I talked people into healing, there just might be a comparison. Don't get me going on how many people, from newborns to the elderly, I have seen die unnecessarily because of screwed up religious beliefs that told them to deny medical treatment. I am still worried that the men in your church who (supposedly) were 'ravaged by AIDS' stopped treatments. They were NOT 'cured', they can infect others, and they will die and you have NO idea how much that bothers me and how many times it crosses my mind. That is a very touchy subject for me, so please don't pull out the 'miracle card'. I have already written there are things that can't be explained.
Jordondog, according to you, my love on here is false. My postings of prayer for someone, or "hearts" etc., you called phony. Your attack on my character is absolutely the very thing your accusing me of.
NO, you took that partially out of context. I said [not exact words] they were applied to your chosen few on here that believe and think along the same lines - those I cannot say are false, only you know your feelings, not me. I said I detest fake fawning out of anyone and that is how some of it comes across in my opinion - this is a public forum, not a Hallmark card making site. You seem to go overboard on it whenever things get heated between the 2 sides of the debates. If anyone is being attacked, all of a sudden out comes all the platitudes and it's the passive-aggressive you do not seem to be able to understand even though others seem to. It's like the parent who beats the child and tells them they are "doing it because they love them". You throw down with a personal attack on someone and then turn around and tell the next how much you love them or whatever it is. You don't realize that NONE of US (unless the others do and I am not privy to it) - me, QON, Walks, Falconer, etc. - talk on the phone, e-mail each other, Facebook post, etc., but you do. We do not know what the other one is going to post, yet we all seem to be on the same page even if it is NOT something to do with the Bible. Now, why is that? We don't get together and 'plot' what we are going to say. You have FAR more believers on here now than non-believers yet you make it sound as if we 3 are are huge pack of feral dogs waiting to sink our teeth into your leg. It is really quite comical and shows insecurity more than anything. While saying that, let me add this. I found it very interesting that QON can and has taken umpteen pages in multiple threads of very personal 'attacks' from all of you posting one right after the other, but rarely has one of 'us' jumped in to intercede for her. In those cases it is the many against the one, but she doesn't seem to take it personally which is what debating is supposed to be. We all get down to a personal level at times, as I have also said before. Too many times anything said against religion et al, and not specifically what all of you believe, is taken as a personal attack when it's not. There have been plenty of times I have wanted to defend QON, but I don't feel it is my place. I have said if she wants to defend her stance, she is more than capable of it without help. If anyone is strong in what they stand for, then attacks come with the territory and should be almost expected. Hey, at least we still agree on ice-cream and long naps, right? ;)
Since it's a touchy subject with you and you demanding me not to pull out the "miracle card" kind of tells me "I believe what I want, and don't want to give you a bit of leeway in what you believe". Here it is "Miracle Card". I've offered to give you names and numbers of people I don't know or have any contact with, to tell you that AIDS victims have been "healed" of AIDS. You refused!! Implying that they would probably say they were healed or give testimony of such so I shouldn't bother. So what you were really saying is that you believed they would be lying to you? Well....the offer has been rescinded, and you can deny all you want, you will not be provided with anything from here on out. As far as an AIDS person infecting another would require some pretty close contact (sexual). Are you implying that we are in favor of extramarital relations? You should know better than that. Somehow I find it very funny that these people that have had AIDS, and are now healed, have not infected ANYBODY for years.
Well, thank you for making my career so much less important than yours. Uh, yes you have posted medical jargon, textbook subjects and such. Why don't you just come out and say you don't like me posting my Christian beliefs and be done with it. All your explanation is basically saying this, so just say it.
As far as us Christians getting together and plotting what we are going to say on this forum is ludicrous, and imaginary thinking on your part! Not one of us Christians that have contact outside this forum "plots" anything to write here. What we do talk about is actually none of your business since it's friends exchanging private happenings or thoughts among us. So you can surmise all you want, or imagine what you think is going on, but you would be wrong. We have so many other things to attend to, besides you....and this forum. If you and your cronies don't get together....well, what has that got to do with the price of bread? We happen to like each others company outside of this venue. Maybe you 3 wouldn't like each other? Just a thought.
As far as coming to defense of qon, walksalone, etc., I've seen you all come to each others defense. I've also observed all of you gang up on one person, and try to take them down verbally. No I'm not talking just me either. What you don't like is the united front that we Christians have for each other. Or the LOVE :heart: :heart: :heart: we have for our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. As far as posting a "Hallmark" moment as you accused me of doing. Believe me, there are not enough icons to explain my love for whomever I want to express it. Which is also none of your business! When you start writing the rules of this forum, then you can complain.
Wait a minute!!! Are you comparing your postings next to ours? I mean really? Yes, we all post on a personal level at times, but we don't call names, and get down with your kind of filthy talk (cursing and what not). When that happens, we come to defense of our friends, sisters, or brothers. You don't like the fact that we do defend each other. You would like the opportunity to verbally "shred" whoever you want without any opposition!! Let me remind you just recently you called me a "b"!! Has any Christian called you anything like that on this forum? NO!! So quit whining about people defending others from your verbal onslaught. Debating is one thing, attacking is another. Learn the difference! If I want to intercede for my friends on here or they for me, what in the world is that to you?? Attacks do not come with the territory. It's a DEBATE and DISCUSS forum! Are you really standing on what you wrote? Attacks come with the territory? ::) There's a way to debate that does not require an attacking mode. Not one Christian on here will attack anyone. Sometimes they get attacked or provoked so severely as they have no other choice but to defend themselves.
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Annella:Jordandog and qon. Neither one of you believe the Bible or that there is a God. The fact that I do quote scripture to make my point makes you angry. It comes with the territory. It's my career. You have posted long posts on your career jordondog. Don't I have the right to post my stance or opinion, even if it disagrees with yours?
Wait a minute - you are actually comparing what I do to your 'career'? I believe I have integrated what I do for a living in a total of 5 or 6 posts because it happened to be pertinent to the discussion. I do NOT post medical info, quote jargon from textbooks, journals, C.E. symposiums, or anything else in 98% of my replies. That is the opposite of what you do, so I hardly think there is a comparison. You can take this anyway you want, but your 'career' up against mine? I deal in the real world, using real methods, and actual interpretation of facts. I do not do it by using words that have NO factual basis - yes, I know to you all they do. If I talked people into healing, there just might be a comparison. Don't get me going on how many people, from newborns to the elderly, I have seen die unnecessarily because of screwed up religious beliefs that told them to deny medical treatment. I am still worried that the men in your church who (supposedly) were 'ravaged by AIDS' stopped treatments. They were NOT 'cured', they can infect others, and they will die and you have NO idea how much that bothers me and how many times it crosses my mind. That is a very touchy subject for me, so please don't pull out the 'miracle card'. I have already written there are things that can't be explained.
Jordondog, according to you, my love on here is false. My postings of prayer for someone, or "hearts" etc., you called phony. Your attack on my character is absolutely the very thing your accusing me of.
NO, you took that partially out of context. I said [not exact words] they were applied to your chosen few on here that believe and think along the same lines - those I cannot say are false, only you know your feelings, not me. I said I detest fake fawning out of anyone and that is how some of it comes across in my opinion - this is a public forum, not a Hallmark card making site. You seem to go overboard on it whenever things get heated between the 2 sides of the debates. If anyone is being attacked, all of a sudden out comes all the platitudes and it's the passive-aggressive you do not seem to be able to understand even though others seem to. It's like the parent who beats the child and tells them they are "doing it because they love them". You throw down with a personal attack on someone and then turn around and tell the next how much you love them or whatever it is. You don't realize that NONE of US (unless the others do and I am not privy to it) - me, QON, Walks, Falconer, etc. - talk on the phone, e-mail each other, Facebook post, etc., but you do. We do not know what the other one is going to post, yet we all seem to be on the same page even if it is NOT something to do with the Bible. Now, why is that? We don't get together and 'plot' what we are going to say. You have FAR more believers on here now than non-believers yet you make it sound as if we 3 are are huge pack of feral dogs waiting to sink our teeth into your leg. It is really quite comical and shows insecurity more than anything. While saying that, let me add this. I found it very interesting that QON can and has taken umpteen pages in multiple threads of very personal 'attacks' from all of you posting one right after the other, but rarely has one of 'us' jumped in to intercede for her. In those cases it is the many against the one, but she doesn't seem to take it personally which is what debating is supposed to be. We all get down to a personal level at times, as I have also said before. Too many times anything said against religion et al, and not specifically what all of you believe, is taken as a personal attack when it's not. There have been plenty of times I have wanted to defend QON, but I don't feel it is my place. I have said if she wants to defend her stance, she is more than capable of it without help. If anyone is strong in what they stand for, then attacks come with the territory and should be almost expected. Hey, at least we still agree on ice-cream and long naps, right? ;)
Since it's a touchy subject with you and you demanding me not to pull out the "miracle card" kind of tells me "I believe what I want, and don't want to give you a bit of leeway in what you believe". Here it is "Miracle Card". I've offered to give you names and numbers of people I don't know or have any contact with, to tell you that AIDS victims have been "healed" of AIDS. You refused!! Implying that they would probably say they were healed or give testimony of such so I shouldn't bother. So what you were really saying is that you believed they would be lying to you? Well....the offer has been rescinded, and you can deny all you want, you will not be provided with anything from here on out. As far as an AIDS person infecting another would require some pretty close contact (sexual). Are you implying that we are in favor of extramarital relations? You should know better than that. Somehow I find it very funny that these people that have had AIDS, and are now healed, have not infected ANYBODY for years.
Well, thank you for making my career so much less important than yours. Uh, yes you have posted medical jargon, textbook subjects and such. Why don't you just come out and say you don't like me posting my Christian beliefs and be done with it. All your explanation is basically saying this, so just say it.
As far as us Christians getting together and plotting what we are going to say on this forum is ludicrous, and imaginary thinking on your part! Not one of us Christians that have contact outside this forum "plots" anything to write here. What we do talk about is actually none of your business since it's friends exchanging private happenings or thoughts among us. So you can surmise all you want, or imagine what you think is going on, but you would be wrong. We have so many other things to attend to, besides you....and this forum. If you and your cronies don't get together....well, what has that got to do with the price of bread? We happen to like each others company outside of this venue. Maybe you 3 wouldn't like each other? Just a thought.
As far as coming to defense of qon, walksalone, etc., I've seen you all come to each others defense. I've also observed all of you gang up on one person, and try to take them down verbally. No I'm not talking just me either. What you don't like is the united front that we Christians have for each other. Or the LOVE :heart: :heart: :heart: we have for our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. As far as posting a "Hallmark" moment as you accused me of doing. Believe me, there are not enough icons to explain my love for whomever I want to express it. Which is also none of your business! When you start writing the rules of this forum, then you can complain.
Wait a minute!!! Are you comparing your postings next to ours? I mean really? Yes, we all post on a personal level at times, but we don't call names, and get down with your kind of filthy talk (cursing and what not). When that happens, we come to defense of our friends, sisters, or brothers. You don't like the fact that we do defend each other. You would like the opportunity to verbally "shred" whoever you want without any opposition!! Let me remind you just recently you called me a "b"!! Has any Christian called you anything like that on this forum? NO!! So quit whining about people defending others from your verbal onslaught. Debating is one thing, attacking is another. Learn the difference! If I want to intercede for my friends on here or they for me, what in the world is that to you?? Attacks do not come with the territory. It's a DEBATE and DISCUSS forum! Are you really standing on what you wrote? Attacks come with the territory? ::) There's a way to debate that does not require an attacking mode. Not one Christian on here will attack anyone. Sometimes they get attacked or provoked so severely as they have no other choice but to defend themselves.
You did not even read my words because your entire rebuttal was put down as replying to things I didn't say period, I didn't say the way YOU rewrote/interpreted them OR you implied what MY thoughts and reasons were for what I wrote when you have no idea what I think. I am NOT going through the entire thing but will give a couple glaring examples.
1)What you put down as to why I didn't want the numbers from AIDS patients IS NOT WHAT I SAID. I also said in my post that I have already stated there are THINGS THAT CANNOT BE EXPLAINED.
2)"Uh, yes you have posted medical jargon, textbook subjects and such." Did I say I didn't? NO, what I did say was:I do NOT post medical info, quote jargon from textbooks, journals, C.E. symposiums, or anything else in 98% of my replies.
3) I NEVER SAID any of you plotted, read what I actually did say when I when I brought up contact outside of FC. I do NOT care who you talk to, what you do, or how you feel about anyone. I said previously THAT IS YOUR BUSINESS AND NOT MINE.
If you are going to reply to someone get the words correct in how they are stated, don't rewrite someone's post, and don't 'imply' something that does not even exist. What was with you saying "get down with your filthy talk (cursing and what not)"?! When do I use filthy talk and curse, because you better back it up if you are going to accuse ME of that. Yes, I said lately you were acting like a *bleep* - BIG DEAL. I don't talk filthy and I rarely curse, so maybe you better direct that at who does, eh? I just wish someone, anyone would read these posts and tell me whether you even read and understood what I actually wrote. You accused 502 of not reading replies? I don't care how worked up, how emphatic, or how personal you want to get when you talk to me. I do NOT even care how much you detest or hate me please reply to what I actually write and NOT what you want to turn it into so you can be 'right'! Have the decency to read all posts, NOT just mine (you seem to have a bad habit of doing this), until you are able to answer them with some semblance of truth and order and quit with the 'implying', it is nothing but an extreme annoyance. "We have so many other things to attend to, besides you....and this forum." Wow!Really? Gee, I don't - other than working 60-70 hours/week. That was a very well thought out remark on your part.....
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I'm not even going to comment how you implicate things, and then feign innocence. Obviously we do not agree....nor will we. I have no desire to measure/weigh/pick apart words or your meaning attached to them, how many hours you worked, what you meant what you said, etc. I mean really? Come on!
Uh, when did I say I hated or detested you? Or is that just another implication that you actually don't mean that way, but another way, but want to "put it out there".......for....whatever reason?
People aren't stupid, and they can read everything, and make up their own minds. I actually have company coming over for a wonderful evening, and this doesn't even make my semi-priority list. Have a nice evening yourself. :wave:
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Yep, I have several people who hate me now. lol Suppose it's to be expected, though, when I'm attempting to rip away their invisible security blankets and replace them with something tangible. ;) ;D
Not me! I love you! ♥
Yep, I have several people who hate me now. lol Suppose it's to be expected, though, when I'm attempting to rip away their invisible security blankets and replace them with something tangible. ;) ;D
Nope, no way could I hate you! :heart:
P.S. "invisible security blanket" may well be the best way to put that. It's better than invisible insecurity blanket!! Thanks for the great idea! :)
I agree lol! It was awesome!
I don't know, I must of missed something. ???
Huh? Are you talking to me Marie?
2 peas in a pod...
He reveals himself every day...
Yeah, like to the starving and dying children who can't even get medical care and die at ge 2-3 or before the even turn 1 in afganistan and north korea. and to the homeless people who are homeless at no fault of their own all over the world.
But haven't you realized yet he only shows himself to those who are in a coma state of mind. I will call them desperate housewives.
And to answer the real question at hand, because logic & science makes a great argument against the so called god. If someone worshipped lets say a pickle you would stand up and ask why,, well so do people on the god issue. I have not seen more hate come from life but from the god word... Wars starting,, in god we trust,,, pffff. Forums like this debating but yet not really people fight over what??? the god word. My daughter was held down and beat last week, yes you can actually look it up on my hometown newspaper,, why the GOD that so many people throw themselves upon. God is nothing more than a judgemental word and a cash cow for churches.
I hope your daughter is okay!
The one thing that has always gotten me is that people that believe in god are supposed to accept everyone.. BUT... if you don't believe in god, they (the ppl that do believe in god) make you feel like crap, tell you you're wrong... etc.
It's obvious you haven't read many threads on this forum. You need to pull up some threads, and read through them, and then tell me if the Christians on here are just trying to make people feel bad. Your statement is hardly fair. The atheists and agnostics on this forum have done a pretty good job of verbally burning Christians at the stake.
Also, you need to evaluate what is actually making you feel like "crap" (as you put it). Could it be something in the Bible they have brought out? If it is, then it's not the person, it's the Bible that you have a problem with. Most of the Christians on here love everybody, and post such.
Actually there was a time when I went to church... after I left, the people of the church put me and others down, telling us that we were wrong, and that we made a huge mistake, and that if we don't accept Christ into our life, we would forever burn. The people who were from my church, that claimed to be my brothers and sisters, shunned me and others because we left. I'm not saying that every Christian puts non believers down, but in my experience, 99% of Christians do.
And I have read the forums, and I spoke my opinion once and was told to "STFU" by a supposed Christian. (and what I said had nothing to do with that person at all. She was just angry because I had my own beliefs.
Churches are nothing more then brainwashing cults that prey on clueless, mindless, and those down on their luck. Be GLAD not to be apart of their hogwash!
And even if you quote the whole damn bible you are not going to get us to believe that....GOT IT??? if you are addressing your post IE; sermons to us, just save it for sunday and your minions. GOT IT???
That is right! Brainwashing only works on the weak-minded!
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There go unnecessary insults again.
I go to church and I love it! You don't know me! You cannot call me mindless, clueless, or weak minded simply because I go to church and based on my religion. How arrogant and rude! :BangHead:
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:cat: I, too, love going to church! The messages are great in many different aspects; the fellowship is wonderful; the activities are fun and inspiring!!!!
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Glad to know churches are all hogwash for the weakminded, seems atheism is as much a religion as any other considering you all feel the same way about spirituality, but thats not weakminded because its not Christianity, right?
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Glad to know churches are all hogwash for the weakminded, seems atheism is as much a religion as any other considering you all feel the same way about spirituality, but thats not weakminded because its not Christianity, right?
ROFLMAO I am NOT an Atheist so there goes that theory down the toilet honey! I am agnostic... There IS a difference.
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Glad to know churches are all hogwash for the weakminded, seems atheism is as much a religion as any other considering you all feel the same way about spirituality, but thats not weakminded because its not Christianity, right?
ROFLMAO I am NOT an Atheist so there goes that theory down the toilet honey! I am agnostic... There IS a difference.
So you're no better than a believer, since agnostics are just not sure...why do you cut down people and their beliefs, when you yourself aren't sure?!? I don't get that...you say "go play with your invisible friend" and then say you're agnostic...what, you don't know if the invisible friend is there or not?
Marie...you just became my favorite person of the day today. :thumbsup:
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Glad to know churches are all hogwash for the weakminded, seems atheism is as much a religion as any other considering you all feel the same way about spirituality, but thats not weakminded because its not Christianity, right?
ROFLMAO I am NOT an Atheist so there goes that theory down the toilet honey! I am agnostic... There IS a difference.
So you're no better than a believer, since agnostics are just not sure...why do you cut down people and their beliefs, when you yourself aren't sure?!? I don't get that...you say "go play with your invisible friend" and then say you're agnostic...what, you don't know if the invisible friend is there or not?
You are confused. To be agnostic means you believe in what is real and provable... "God" is not provable. The burden of proof does NOT rest on the nonbelievers but on the believers . I for one and sick to death of people trying to push their :bs: religion on me and on others. I don't take it from my family and I certainly will not take it from a stranger!
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I belong to God to and I like myself.
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Glad to know churches are all hogwash for the weakminded, seems atheism is as much a religion as any other considering you all feel the same way about spirituality, but thats not weakminded because its not Christianity, right?
ROFLMAO I am NOT an Atheist so there goes that theory down the toilet honey! I am agnostic... There IS a difference.
So you're no better than a believer, since agnostics are just not sure...why do you cut down people and their beliefs, when you yourself aren't sure?!? I don't get that...you say "go play with your invisible friend" and then say you're agnostic...what, you don't know if the invisible friend is there or not?
You are confused. To be agnostic means you believe in what is real and provable... "God" is not provable. The burden of proof does NOT rest on the nonbelievers but on the believers . I for one and sick to death of people trying to push their :bs: religion on me and on others. I don't take it from my family and I certainly will not take it from a stranger!
Funny...NO ONE tried to.
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Glad to know churches are all hogwash for the weakminded, seems atheism is as much a religion as any other considering you all feel the same way about spirituality, but thats not weakminded because its not Christianity, right?
ROFLMAO I am NOT an Atheist so there goes that theory down the toilet honey! I am agnostic... There IS a difference.
You being agnostic doesn't falsilfy that "theory." But thank you for the pet name sweetie.
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Glad to know churches are all hogwash for the weakminded, seems atheism is as much a religion as any other considering you all feel the same way about spirituality, but thats not weakminded because its not Christianity, right?
ROFLMAO I am NOT an Atheist so there goes that theory down the toilet honey! I am agnostic... There IS a difference.
You being agnostic doesn't falsilfy that "theory." But thank you for the pet name sweetie.
Well then direct your "theory" at someone else honey.
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You are confused. To be agnostic means you believe in what is real and provable... "God" is not provable. The burden of proof does NOT rest on the nonbelievers but on the believers . I for one and sick to death of people trying to push their :bs: religion on me and on others. I don't take it from my family and I certainly will not take it from a stranger!
First, not all religion is :bs:
Second, not everyone is trying to convert everyone else.
Third, you don't think you're doing the same thing here:
Churches are nothing more then brainwashing cults that prey on clueless, mindless, and those down on their luck. Be GLAD not to be apart of their hogwash!
That is right! Brainwashing only works on the weak-minded!
Whenever someone believes they are right, they will use nearly any means necessary to prove they are right. It is not right, however, to belittle someone for believing differently, IMO.
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You are confused. To be agnostic means you believe in what is real and provable... "God" is not provable. The burden of proof does NOT rest on the nonbelievers but on the believers . I for one and sick to death of people trying to push their :bs: religion on me and on others. I don't take it from my family and I certainly will not take it from a stranger!
No, not confused: Agnostic is
1. somebody denying God's existence is provable: somebody who believes that it is impossible to know whether or not God exists
2. somebody denying something is knowable: somebody who doubts that a question has one correct answer or that something can be completely understood
The thing is we don't have to prove God is there, we are happy just believing. It isn't a burden to believe. You are in a religious discussion!! No one is trying to push their beliefs on anyone, but we are talking about beliefs and our God and all. Them telling you what they believe and about their God is not pushing beliefs.
You are pushing beliefs as well then by telling people to go play with our invisible friend. That is your belief, that he is invisible, which he isn't, he is in another realm.
Very good answer, Marie! <3
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You are confused. To be agnostic means you believe in what is real and provable... "God" is not provable. The burden of proof does NOT rest on the nonbelievers but on the believers . I for one and sick to death of people trying to push their :bs: religion on me and on others. I don't take it from my family and I certainly will not take it from a stranger!
First, not all religion is :bs:
Second, not everyone is trying to convert everyone else.
Third, you don't think you're doing the same thing here:
Churches are nothing more then brainwashing cults that prey on clueless, mindless, and those down on their luck. Be GLAD not to be apart of their hogwash!
That is right! Brainwashing only works on the weak-minded!
Whenever someone believes they are right, they will use nearly any means necessary to prove they are right. It is not right, however, to belittle someone for believing differently, IMO.
Right on, Amy!!
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Glad to know churches are all hogwash for the weakminded, seems atheism is as much a religion as any other considering you all feel the same way about spirituality, but thats not weakminded because its not Christianity, right?
ROFLMAO I am NOT an Atheist so there goes that theory down the toilet honey! I am agnostic... There IS a difference.
You being agnostic doesn't falsilfy that "theory." But thank you for the pet name sweetie.
Well then direct your "theory" at someone else honey.
Or, you could choose to quit responding with your petty belittling comments cupcake.
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You are confused. To be agnostic means you believe in what is real and provable... "God" is not provable. The burden of proof does NOT rest on the nonbelievers but on the believers . I for one and sick to death of people trying to push their religion on me and on others. I don't take it from my family and I certainly will not take it from a stranger!
I find it puzzling that we as Christians are "pushing" our religion on everybody, and when an unbeliever pushes their atheistic or agnostic views, it's called enlightenment? All we have to do is claim we believe in God, and it's "pushing" our beliefs.
The obvious acceptable postings to unbelievers, is No posting at all from believers! If you don't take this from anyone, and your sick to death of it, then what are you doing on a public forum? This forum is for EVERYBODY to have an opportunity to post what they believe....or lack thereof.
Also, your name calling, and/or negative titles towards believers show no manners, and a need to be in control, even if you have to stoop to verbal abrasive monologue to do so.
The burden of proof has been hashed out numerous times on other threads. Very good discussions. I happen to have seen you on a couple of them.
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Believers are called to be humble....
Unbelievers are called to be arrogant and insulting to the latter. Cuppycake was just following the dogma of materialistic unbelief. :P
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You are confused. To be agnostic means you believe in what is real and provable... "God" is not provable. The burden of proof does NOT rest on the nonbelievers but on the believers . I for one and sick to death of people trying to push their religion on me and on others. I don't take it from my family and I certainly will not take it from a stranger!
I find it puzzling that we as Christians are "pushing" our religion on everybody, and when an unbeliever pushes their atheistic or agnostic views, it's called enlightenment? All we have to do is claim we believe in God, and it's "pushing" our beliefs.
The obvious acceptable postings to unbelievers, is No posting at all from believers! If you don't take this from anyone, and your sick to death of it, then what are you doing on a public forum? This forum is for EVERYBODY to have an opportunity to post what they believe....or lack thereof.
Also, your name calling, and/or negative titles towards believers show no manners, and a need to be in control, even if you have to stoop to verbal abrasive monologue to do so.
The burden of proof has been hashed out numerous times on other threads. Very good discussions. I happen to have seen you on a couple of them
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Thank you so much. This needed to be said. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Believers are called to be humble....
Unbelievers are called to be arrogant and insulting to the latter. Cuppycake was just following the dogma of materialistic unbelief. :P
:thumbsup: Shernajwine!! Jesus was PERFECT...and He was humble, setting the example for believers to follow. I recently heard a preacher ask something that I have been thinking about ALOT lately. First he asked "how would you like your obituary to read, how would you like to someday be remembered by others?" then he asked "what would you like for God to remember MOST about you?" The latter there made me realize I got alot of work to do...lol :)
I heard today.....if you got arrested for being a Christian, would there be enough evidence to convict you? I HOPE SO! ;D
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Believers are called to be humble....
Unbelievers are called to be arrogant and insulting to the latter. Cuppycake was just following the dogma of materialistic unbelief. :P
:thumbsup: Shernajwine!! Jesus was PERFECT...and He was humble, setting the example for believers to follow. I recently heard a preacher ask something that I have been thinking about ALOT lately. First he asked "how would you like your obituary to read, how would you like to someday be remembered by others?" then he asked "what would you like for God to remember MOST about you?" The latter there made me realize I got alot of work to do...lol :)
I agree. Jesus was humble, but never backed down on what was Truth when it was being whitewashed, or attacked by His enemies. His driving out the money changers out of the temple certainly would have been seen as arrogant to the masses of that day, or our day today. He never minced words (see the 4 Gospels) on man's sinful nature or the consequences thereof. There was a time when He was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and then He said nothing to His accusers. His time was done, and He laid down His life willingly....no man took it from Him.
There is a time for defending the Gospel and what is written, in face of mockery. The same Word that says turn the other cheek, also admonishes us to answer a fool in their folly. Not to let anger overtake us, but to be angry and sin not. We should have the wisdom to know the difference.
I'm hoping to cheat death and go in the rapture.... If I do die, it's what God says about me, will be more important than man. I mean, look at what man says about Jesus in our day. A lot of them don't even credit Him with even existing. I want to hear HIM say "well done". However, I'd like to be known as someone who fervently defended the Word of God, and wavered on nothing according to His Word.
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To: Sherene, Annella, Mackenzie, and Sheryl, Amy, Marie, and Charmaine: Points well-given!!! :thumbsup:
This reminds me of the song, "We are one in the bond of Love (meaning God's love)..." :heart:
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Blah blah blah ... Turnabout is a *bleep* isn't it? You and your :bs: religions always preaching to people.. But non of you can handle it when someone says it is :bs:...
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Cuppycake, I'm really sorry you feel that way. To note, I have not called your beliefs that name and wouldn't think of it.
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Blah blah blah ... Turnabout is a *bleep* isn't it? You and your :bs: religions always preaching to people.. But non of you can handle it when someone says it is :bs:...
If you want to believe it is :bs: then more power to you. I took offense when you called all believers of all religions mindless and brainwashed. Then you turned around and pulled the same thing you accuse all believers of...trying to force your beliefs down people's throats. It is not as cut and dry as you make it out to be; I used to believe all religion was :bs: and then I found my faith. Now I don't take offense to people believing differently than me...our differences are what make life interesting.
I have disagreed with everyone on this forum at some point...but I have no hostility and I wouldn't dare tell anyone what they believe in their heart is :bs: (unless they tried to tell me vaccines didn't prevent disease. We'd have us a throw down on that topic. You'd see the redneck come out in me on that one. ;) ).
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Blah blah blah ... Turnabout is a *bleep* isn't it? You and your :bs: religions always preaching to people.. But non of you can handle it when someone says it is :bs:...
If you want to believe it is :bs: then more power to you. I took offense when you called all believers of all religions mindless and brainwashed. Then you turned around and pulled the same thing you accuse all believers of...trying to force your beliefs down people's throats. It is not as cut and dry as you make it out to be; I used to believe all religion was :bs: and then I found my faith. Now I don't take offense to people believing differently than me...our differences are what make life interesting.
I have disagreed with everyone on this forum at some point...but I have no hostility and I wouldn't dare tell anyone what they believe in their heart is :bs: (unless they tried to tell me vaccines didn't prevent disease. We'd have us a throw down on that topic. You'd see the redneck come out in me on that one. ;) ).
Ha ha....a throw down! Your funny Amy ;D
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King James Bible (Matthew 5:9)
"Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God". :peace:
(Isaiah 9:6) "For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace". :peace: What is Peace? According to Webster's dictionary, peace is a state of tranquillity, quiet, calm, freedom from civil disturbance, A state of security - being secure within a community, freedom from oppression, strife and disorder. In harmony in personal relations. Untroubled by conflict, agitation or commotion. :peace: Jesus was angry when He drove the moneychangers out of the temple---Jesus did not exhibit man’s anger, but the righteous indignation of God.
---excerpt from http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-angry.html (http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-angry.html)
Sheryl, He was angry enough to overthrow tables and chairs, and permitted no one to walk through the temple carrying any vessel. When I read these passages of scripture, I'm reminded how Moses (was angry) broke the tablets before the Hebrew Children when coming down Mt. Sinai. We at times, can have the same righteous indignation when our Faith, and stand for the Gospel is drug through the verbal mud. We are told to be angry, but sin not. There is scripture that says behold the goodness, and the severity of God. He is Love, and peace, but also the Judge of the whole world. He is our Peace in the midst of the storms and trials in our life. He is also the Avenger. The Rewarder of those that follow Him, and also the Rewarder of those who reject Him. You can't have one without the other.
I have a feeling that somehow I've offended you, and that wasn't my intention. I apologize for whatever your taking offense to. Sometimes I'll take someone's post and expound on it.....nothing else.
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unless they tried to tell me vaccines didn't prevent disease. We'd have us a throw down on that topic.
Why? Because you know that group of thinking is wrong, and because it causes harm. That's all nonbelievers are trying to do, and yet religion is supposed to be "respected" in society despite it causing societal decay.
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unless they tried to tell me vaccines didn't prevent disease. We'd have us a throw down on that topic.
Why? Because you know that group of thinking is wrong, and because it causes harm. That's all nonbelievers are trying to do, and yet religion is supposed to be "respected" in society despite it causing societal decay.
qon, that one word "it" is where I disagree with you. It (religion) as a whole does not cause societal decay. Some religions contribute to that fact, but not "it" (religion as a whole.)
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Blah blah blah ... Turnabout is a *bleep* isn't it? You and your :bs: religions always preaching to people.. But non of you can handle it when someone says it is :bs:...
I think we have handled it just fine. But I think it's funny that Queen is saying how selfish it is for us to not act concerned about hell and the people that will go there and then everyone, including her, says stop shoving your religion down people's throats.
No one has been shoving religion down anyone's throats here on this forum, as we have been having debates. If someone has been trying to shove religion down your throat (like your brainwashed mindless clueless family you mentioned) then stop taking it out on people in this forum with your insults and foul language.
It amazes me that you can be so insulting to people you don't even know, and show such contempt to people you never even met, simply because they believe in God. That says something about your character.
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Blah blah blah ... Turnabout is a *bleep* isn't it? You and your :bs: religions always preaching to people.. But non of you can handle it when someone says it is :bs:...
I think we have handled it just fine. But I think it's funny that Queen is saying how selfish it is for us to not act concerned about hell and the people that will go there and then everyone, including her, says stop shoving your religion down people's throats.
No one has been shoving religion down anyone's throats here on this forum, as we have been having debates. If someone has been trying to shove religion down your throat (like your brainwashed mindless clueless family you mentioned) then stop taking it out on people in this forum with your insults and foul language.
It amazes me that you can be so insulting to people you don't even know, and show such contempt to people you never even met, simply because they believe in God. That says something about your character.
You may as well say "bah". Sheep will be sheep... LOL @ "foul language".
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Blah blah blah ... Turnabout is a *bleep* isn't it? You and your :bs: religions always preaching to people.. But non of you can handle it when someone says it is :bs:...
I think we have handled it just fine. But I think it's funny that Queen is saying how selfish it is for us to not act concerned about hell and the people that will go there and then everyone, including her, says stop shoving your religion down people's throats.
No one has been shoving religion down anyone's throats here on this forum, as we have been having debates. If someone has been trying to shove religion down your throat (like your brainwashed mindless clueless family you mentioned) then stop taking it out on people in this forum with your insults and foul language.
It amazes me that you can be so insulting to people you don't even know, and show such contempt to people you never even met, simply because they believe in God. That says something about your character.
You may as well say "bah". Sheep will be sheep... LOL @ "foul language".
There is a reason that curse words are used by a lower class of people, so LOL if you want but you're only showing your class with the language you use. You're passive aggressive remarks possibly show an underlying fear that you might be wrong in your beliefs. Just saying :P
I want to point out, just to be a pest, that if you don't believe in God then you probably don't believe that consciousness (mind) is separate from the brain. So you might want to rethink calling people of faith brainwashed and mindless. You can't be brainwashed if you don't have a mind (if they are the same thing) and your body won't live without a brain. So considering I'm sitting here in my physical body typing this post, I'm pretty sure I have a brain and according to your philosophy of physical reality, I therefore also have a mind. :wave:
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Blah blah blah ... Turnabout is a *bleep* isn't it? You and your :bs: religions always preaching to people.. But non of you can handle it when someone says it is :bs:...
I think we have handled it just fine. But I think it's funny that Queen is saying how selfish it is for us to not act concerned about hell and the people that will go there and then everyone, including her, says stop shoving your religion down people's throats.
No one has been shoving religion down anyone's throats here on this forum, as we have been having debates. If someone has been trying to shove religion down your throat (like your brainwashed mindless clueless family you mentioned) then stop taking it out on people in this forum with your insults and foul language.
It amazes me that you can be so insulting to people you don't even know, and show such contempt to people you never even met, simply because they believe in God. That says something about your character.
You may as well say "bah". Sheep will be sheep... LOL @ "foul language".
There is a reason that curse words are used by a lower class of people, so LOL if you want but you're only showing your class with the language you use. You're passive aggressive remarks possibly show an underlying fear that you might be wrong in your beliefs. Just saying :P
I want to point out, just to be a pest, that if you don't believe in God then you probably don't believe that consciousness (mind) is separate from the brain. So you might want to rethink calling people of faith brainwashed and mindless. You can't be brainwashed if you don't have a mind (if they are the same thing) and your body won't live without a brain. So considering I'm sitting here in my physical body typing this post, I'm pretty sure I have a brain and according to your philosophy of physical reality, I therefore also have a mind. :wave:
Cuppycake, you clearly have a problem with being civil in any venue you may have an opposing thought. While your opposition is not in question, or commented on, however, your deliberate put down with cheap, and inflammatory dialogue, certainly is. Life is full of opposing views contrary to our own.
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unless they tried to tell me vaccines didn't prevent disease. We'd have us a throw down on that topic.
Why? Because you know that group of thinking is wrong, and because it causes harm. That's all nonbelievers are trying to do, and yet religion is supposed to be "respected" in society despite it causing societal decay.
Religion in and of itself does not cause harm... it is the misuse of religion that does...
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Blah blah blah ... Turnabout is a *bleep* isn't it? You and your :bs: religions always preaching to people.. But non of you can handle it when someone says it is :bs:...
So glad you know everything :) hilarious how you act so sure everything is "BS" then claim to be an agnostic...hmm contradictory?
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unless they tried to tell me vaccines didn't prevent disease. We'd have us a throw down on that topic.
Why? Because you know that group of thinking is wrong, and because it causes harm. That's all nonbelievers are trying to do, and yet religion is supposed to be "respected" in society despite it causing societal decay.
As long as everyone respects atheism right?
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Annella, you didn't offend me to where you needed to apologize for anything--we're good. We just have different views, it's ok. I was reading this thread earlier and my concern was if a Christian reads this thread and gets offended, they'll still go to Heaven. If a Non-Christian reads this and gets offended, they may decide they never want to join Christians and will never want God in their life--- and that is what bothers me. I don't believe Christians HAVE to be a muddy doormat but Jesus let everyone's sins *bleep* Him...why should a little "mud" bother Believers? In elementary school, little boys would throw worms at little girls to get attention...perhaps the mud-slinging is because attention is needed. There's alot of people in the world searching for something, they might not know what it is but they are drawn to Christian(s). I think they should all be treated with love and compassion, because what IF we were their "last hope"? What if we "lashed out in righteous anger" at one and they were to unexpectedly die a few hours later? I try not to "take sides" and I try not to make un-believers feel like I don't care because I do... if I see them being treated unkindly I will take a stand for them---regardless of their behavior because God hasn't even had a chance to really begin working in them yet!! Christians "know" their final destination, I'm more concerned with the ones that don't. Hope that makes sense ...I need some serious sleep. :peace:
I think you said this beautifully, although I'm not a Christian ;). I try to act in this way, careful in my words and not rising to an attack, but I often fall short of this task. :dontknow:
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Annella, you didn't offend me to where you needed to apologize for anything--we're good. We just have different views, it's ok. I was reading this thread earlier and my concern was if a Christian reads this thread and gets offended, they'll still go to Heaven. If a Non-Christian reads this and gets offended, they may decide they never want to join Christians and will never want God in their life--- and that is what bothers me. I don't believe Christians HAVE to be a muddy doormat but Jesus let everyone's sins *bleep* Him...why should a little "mud" bother Believers? In elementary school, little boys would throw worms at little girls to get attention...perhaps the mud-slinging is because attention is needed. There's alot of people in the world searching for something, they might not know what it is but they are drawn to Christian(s). I think they should all be treated with love and compassion, because what IF we were their "last hope"? What if we "lashed out in righteous anger" at one and they were to unexpectedly die a few hours later? I try not to "take sides" and I try not to make un-believers feel like I don't care because I do... if I see them being treated unkindly I will take a stand for them---regardless of their behavior because God hasn't even had a chance to really begin working in them yet!! Christians "know" their final destination, I'm more concerned with the ones that don't. Hope that makes sense ...I need some serious sleep. :peace:
that makes a lot of sense and was very well put, but you have to realize it has been months of this berating of annella before she lashed out at all. she is very calm, but every response she gives is written off as delusional stupidity and after awhile its hard to respond without any anger at all to people who only degrade you, we are all only human
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Annella, you didn't offend me to where you needed to apologize for anything--we're good. We just have different views, it's ok. I was reading this thread earlier and my concern was if a Christian reads this thread and gets offended, they'll still go to Heaven. If a Non-Christian reads this and gets offended, they may decide they never want to join Christians and will never want God in their life--- and that is what bothers me. I don't believe Christians HAVE to be a muddy doormat but Jesus let everyone's sins *bleep* Him...why should a little "mud" bother Believers? In elementary school, little boys would throw worms at little girls to get attention...perhaps the mud-slinging is because attention is needed. There's alot of people in the world searching for something, they might not know what it is but they are drawn to Christian(s). I think they should all be treated with love and compassion, because what IF we were their "last hope"? What if we "lashed out in righteous anger" at one and they were to unexpectedly die a few hours later? I try not to "take sides" and I try not to make un-believers feel like I don't care because I do... if I see them being treated unkindly I will take a stand for them---regardless of their behavior because God hasn't even had a chance to really begin working in them yet!! Christians "know" their final destination, I'm more concerned with the ones that don't. Hope that makes sense ...I need some serious sleep. :peace:
I understand your concern and concur.....to a point. There are those on here who clearly said they were prior Christians before, and now they "blast" and "malign" all believers. I've read some of your previous posts about how your friends went to a church, and were offended at not being accepted, because of their clothing. I've also been witness to that in previous churches while growing up. I was raised in one. That to me is more damaging than standing up for what you believe in the face of mockery. Or they visit a church, and they are ignored, not greeted, and treated like they aren't welcome in the church's "clique's" or social group. I better not ever catch anyone in my church doing that.
What I don't have much patience for....is those who belittle and mock anything Holy or Biblical....along with it's followers, when they have rejected it themselves. God is just, and will make sure everybody has a chance to make their choice. While someone may plant the seed, someone else may come along years after and water it, while someone else will reap that soul's harvest. In spite of being raised in an idol worship religion all my life by the cruelest of overseers, I still found God myself personally, and to be completely different than what I was raised in. The Bible says, they will find me, if they search with all their heart (sincerity).
I've shown love and compassion to many, only to have it thrown back in my face that I'm phony. We've been provoked, and backed up against the wall verbally about our Faith, and how mindless, stupid, and brainwashed we are. We have every right to raise up a standard against the onslaught of negative insults towards Christ.
We do have different views, because we are different people (you and I). Some of my "boldness" comes from my position of spiritual authority in the Ministry. Spiritual leadership has a responsibility with it that doesn't affect a lay person too much. My preaching and teaching is straightforward also, and there is no coloring outside the lines, or tickling of the ears. Again, Jesus minced no words His time here on earth. He was very "up front" with people, and even upbraided them for their unbelief. The Watchman in Ezekiel 3:18-21 was to warn the wicked, righteous, and those who left their righteousness for sin. If the Watchman did not do so, there was sever consequences. That soul's blood that was not warned, is required at the Watchman's hand.
However, neither one of us actually knows the other except on this forum, and can't judge on the love and compassion in another person's heart towards the lost. However, your entitled to "defend" anything you feel you need to. May the Lord bless you.
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Blah blah blah ... Turnabout is a *bleep* isn't it? You and your :bs: religions always preaching to people.. But non of you can handle it when someone says it is :bs:...
I think we have handled it just fine. But I think it's funny that Queen is saying how selfish it is for us to not act concerned about hell and the people that will go there and then everyone, including her, says stop shoving your religion down people's throats.
No one has been shoving religion down anyone's throats here on this forum, as we have been having debates. If someone has been trying to shove religion down your throat (like your brainwashed mindless clueless family you mentioned) then stop taking it out on people in this forum with your insults and foul language.
It amazes me that you can be so insulting to people you don't even know, and show such contempt to people you never even met, simply because they believe in God. That says something about your character.
You may as well say "bah". Sheep will be sheep... LOL @ "foul language".
There is a reason that curse words are used by a lower class of people, so LOL if you want but you're only showing your class with the language you use. You're passive aggressive remarks possibly show an underlying fear that you might be wrong in your beliefs. Just saying :P
I want to point out, just to be a pest, that if you don't believe in God then you probably don't believe that consciousness (mind) is separate from the brain. So you might want to rethink calling people of faith brainwashed and mindless. You can't be brainwashed if you don't have a mind (if they are the same thing) and your body won't live without a brain. So considering I'm sitting here in my physical body typing this post, I'm pretty sure I have a brain and according to your philosophy of physical reality, I therefore also have a mind. :wave:
Go sit on your book of fairytales and wait for your imaginary friend to show up.
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I won't bother reading any of the comments from any of you since it always ends in some religious psychobabble .
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Blah blah blah ... Turnabout is a *bleep* isn't it? You and your :bs: religions always preaching to people.. But non of you can handle it when someone says it is :bs:...
I think we have handled it just fine. But I think it's funny that Queen is saying how selfish it is for us to not act concerned about hell and the people that will go there and then everyone, including her, says stop shoving your religion down people's throats.
No one has been shoving religion down anyone's throats here on this forum, as we have been having debates. If someone has been trying to shove religion down your throat (like your brainwashed mindless clueless family you mentioned) then stop taking it out on people in this forum with your insults and foul language.
It amazes me that you can be so insulting to people you don't even know, and show such contempt to people you never even met, simply because they believe in God. That says something about your character.
You may as well say "bah". Sheep will be sheep... LOL @ "foul language".
There is a reason that curse words are used by a lower class of people, so LOL if you want but you're only showing your class with the language you use. You're passive aggressive remarks possibly show an underlying fear that you might be wrong in your beliefs. Just saying :P
I want to point out, just to be a pest, that if you don't believe in God then you probably don't believe that consciousness (mind) is separate from the brain. So you might want to rethink calling people of faith brainwashed and mindless. You can't be brainwashed if you don't have a mind (if they are the same thing) and your body won't live without a brain. So considering I'm sitting here in my physical body typing this post, I'm pretty sure I have a brain and according to your philosophy of physical reality, I therefore also have a mind. :wave:
Go sit on your book of fairytales and wait for your imaginary friend to show up.
What a great contribution to this discussion!
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Blah blah blah ... Turnabout is a *bleep* isn't it? You and your religions always preaching to people.. But non of you can handle it when someone says it is ...
Wow! Your trash talk does nothing to further your point. You should learn how to communicate on a mature level. Sure, we can handle a difference of opinion. What we find insulting is the rudeness, and absolute disrespect for the others posting on this thread because they happen to be Christians.
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Go sit on your book of fairytales and wait for your imaginary friend to show up.
I won't bother reading any of the comments from any of you since it always ends in some religious psychobabble .
Lol, yes and WE (the believers who have held our own in serious and intelligent debates) are the mindless ones! Priceless. This what I heard:
Go sit on your book of fairytales and wait for your imaginary friend to show up
"I have no intelligent statement to make regarding your post so I will insult you."
I won't bother reading any of the comments from any of you since it always ends in some religious psychobabble
"I cannot intelligently debate the issues brought up so I will ignore you and call everything you say psychobabble, in the hopes that it will make me look superior."
FUNNY! ;D
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Go sit on your book of fairytales and wait for your imaginary friend to show up.
I won't bother reading any of the comments from any of you since it always ends in some religious psychobabble .
Lol, yes and WE (the believers who have held our own in serious and intelligent debates) are the mindless ones! Priceless. This what I heard:
Go sit on your book of fairytales and wait for your imaginary friend to show up
"I have no intelligent statement to make regarding your post so I will insult you."
I won't bother reading any of the comments from any of you since it always ends in some religious psychobabble
"I cannot intelligently debate the issues brought up so I will ignore you and call everything you say psychobabble, in the hopes that it will make me look superior."
FUNNY! ;D
It couldn't have been said any better.
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Go sit on your book of fairytales and wait for your imaginary friend to show up.
I won't bother reading any of the comments from any of you since it always ends in some religious psychobabble .
Lol, yes and WE (the believers who have held our own in serious and intelligent debates) are the mindless ones! Priceless. This what I heard:
Go sit on your book of fairytales and wait for your imaginary friend to show up
"I have no intelligent statement to make regarding your post so I will insult you."
I won't bother reading any of the comments from any of you since it always ends in some religious psychobabble
"I cannot intelligently debate the issues brought up so I will ignore you and call everything you say psychobabble, in the hopes that it will make me look superior."
FUNNY! ;D
PERFECT.
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I have no problem with "Christians" or any other group of people with the sole exception of people who think they are in anyway superior then anyone else, that goes for anyone regardless of their beliefs or lack there of.
I have never been one to sugar coat any of my words and have more of a chance for someone mis-understand my stance. It is also very hard for me to show respect to someone which I have none for.
Everyone in here knows that I show respect towards respectable people.
I don't remember disrespecting you whenever you began insinuating I was a lesbian with Annella, mocking my name, and saying I pretend to be smarter than I am.
***sigh*** No Mack, I was not insinuating any kind of homosexual relationship. I was using the "humping her leg" metaphor in relation to what appeared to me of you fawning all over her and making posts simply to win her admiration. I thought you would recognize that.....you know, with your superior intelligence and all........
Funny how I never claimed superior intelligence haha, but allright. "sigh" I'm talking about how you said it should be against my religion to have the name Mack in my screen name. and that by having it i was a dyke, and that too was against my religion
Really now, Mack......let's examine what I reallysaid.....
From: http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=18034.225
Quote from myself: "
What I find a bit ignorant is a female christion referring to them self with a masculine screen name, considering the pervasiveness of homophobic and patriarchal ideologies in your chosen form of spirituality."
Now where in this statement any where do I call you homosexual? Your term for a lesbian is very offensive BTW, you might consider trying on some of that respect you guys are always harping about.
So yeah, as you told another member here recently, feel free to think before you post, Mack.
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Quote from walksalone:
People on here, ask you and others a question and request a simple yes or no. You can't do that, you have to start quoting bible verses and preaching a sermon. How hard is it to answer simple yes.......or no? Unless of course you are, as I very much suspect, attempting to distance yourself from any guilt associated with the answer, and instead want to lay all the blame at Creators feet.
Walksalone, Sometimes answers cannot be given as a yes or no. A few questions being asked of Christians lately, have been nothing but a "trap" and as a Christian, the Bible is one way we back our answers. We may feel a certain yes or no, but as a Christian, we also need to understand that our human answers are what we "feel" and our Lord has His own reasons for what He does and expect (example: hell) and for showing that what we "feel" is not necessarily what the absolute answer is.
Also, a couple of questions recently asked of Annella and of myself came directly from an atheist video of talk show with a couple of men that encourage these type questions, and so one poster on here was simply channeling her question and attitude right from the men with the same Yes/No only demand. That demand isn't going to "trap" a Christian into what the atheist "wants" to push the Christian to say, without the Christian backing it up scripturally.
So, in a nut shell what you are saying is that even if you personally do not agree with it, you will justify it and go along simply because it is what the bible says?
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I just realized that this thread put me over 1,000 posts.....lol I should get confetti or something huh?
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I would say it is not an obsession with religion at all. Believe whatever you or anyone else choose to believe. It is a strong desire to stop the harm done to huge groups of people by religion. There is a big difference. That's my opinion on it anyway.
Exactly, JDog.
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I have no problem with "Christians" or any other group of people with the sole exception of people who think they are in anyway superior then anyone else, that goes for anyone regardless of their beliefs or lack there of.
I have never been one to sugar coat any of my words and have more of a chance for someone mis-understand my stance. It is also very hard for me to show respect to someone which I have none for.
Everyone in here knows that I show respect towards respectable people.
I don't remember disrespecting you whenever you began insinuating I was a lesbian with Annella, mocking my name, and saying I pretend to be smarter than I am.
***sigh*** No Mack, I was not insinuating any kind of homosexual relationship. I was using the "humping her leg" metaphor in relation to what appeared to me of you fawning all over her and making posts simply to win her admiration. I thought you would recognize that.....you know, with your superior intelligence and all........
LOL And I have some prime land I want to sell you also........ ;) Oh, btw, Mackenzie does have my admiration. Getting straight A's in college speak for themselves. I'd call that superior intelligence. The girl is only 19, and can project herself quite well, with higher than average articulation.
Somehow the term "prime" never comes to mind when considering anything about you. :dontknow:
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Don't know!
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I have no problem with "Christians" or any other group of people with the sole exception of people who think they are in anyway superior then anyone else, that goes for anyone regardless of their beliefs or lack there of.
I have never been one to sugar coat any of my words and have more of a chance for someone mis-understand my stance. It is also very hard for me to show respect to someone which I have none for.
Everyone in here knows that I show respect towards respectable people.
I don't remember disrespecting you whenever you began insinuating I was a lesbian with Annella, mocking my name, and saying I pretend to be smarter than I am.
***sigh*** No Mack, I was not insinuating any kind of homosexual relationship. I was using the "humping her leg" metaphor in relation to what appeared to me of you fawning all over her and making posts simply to win her admiration. I thought you would recognize that.....you know, with your superior intelligence and all........
LOL And I have some prime land I want to sell you also........ ;) Oh, btw, Mackenzie does have my admiration. Getting straight A's in college speak for themselves. I'd call that superior intelligence. The girl is only 19, and can project herself quite well, with higher than average articulation.
Somehow the term "prime" never comes to mind when considering anything about you. :dontknow:
I know high school kids taking college credits and by the time they finish high school they have completed an AA degree...so no, waiting until you are 19 to go to college is just average.
Haha I didn't wait until I was 19 to go to college hun.
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I have no problem with "Christians" or any other group of people with the sole exception of people who think they are in anyway superior then anyone else, that goes for anyone regardless of their beliefs or lack there of.
I have never been one to sugar coat any of my words and have more of a chance for someone mis-understand my stance. It is also very hard for me to show respect to someone which I have none for.
Everyone in here knows that I show respect towards respectable people.
I don't remember disrespecting you whenever you began insinuating I was a lesbian with Annella, mocking my name, and saying I pretend to be smarter than I am.
***sigh*** No Mack, I was not insinuating any kind of homosexual relationship. I was using the "humping her leg" metaphor in relation to what appeared to me of you fawning all over her and making posts simply to win her admiration. I thought you would recognize that.....you know, with your superior intelligence and all........
LOL And I have some prime land I want to sell you also........ ;) Oh, btw, Mackenzie does have my admiration. Getting straight A's in college speak for themselves. I'd call that superior intelligence. The girl is only 19, and can project herself quite well, with higher than average articulation.
Somehow the term "prime" never comes to mind when considering anything about you. :dontknow:
Talking down to people sure is the easiest way to feed your own ego eh :)
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I have no problem with "Christians" or any other group of people with the sole exception of people who think they are in anyway superior then anyone else, that goes for anyone regardless of their beliefs or lack there of.
I have never been one to sugar coat any of my words and have more of a chance for someone mis-understand my stance. It is also very hard for me to show respect to someone which I have none for.
Everyone in here knows that I show respect towards respectable people.
I don't remember disrespecting you whenever you began insinuating I was a lesbian with Annella, mocking my name, and saying I pretend to be smarter than I am.
***sigh*** No Mack, I was not insinuating any kind of homosexual relationship. I was using the "humping her leg" metaphor in relation to what appeared to me of you fawning all over her and making posts simply to win her admiration. I thought you would recognize that.....you know, with your superior intelligence and all........
Funny how I never claimed superior intelligence haha, but allright. "sigh" I'm talking about how you said it should be against my religion to have the name Mack in my screen name. and that by having it i was a dyke, and that too was against my religion
Really now, Mack......let's examine what I reallysaid.....
From: http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=18034.225
Quote from myself: "
What I find a bit ignorant is a female christion referring to them self with a masculine screen name, considering the pervasiveness of homophobic and patriarchal ideologies in your chosen form of spirituality."
Now where in this statement any where do I call you homosexual? Your term for a lesbian is very offensive BTW, you might consider trying on some of that respect you guys are always harping about.
So yeah, as you told another member here recently, feel free to think before you post, Mack.
I don't consider dyke a derogatory name for a lesbian, I consider it the term for a masculine woman in a relationship with another woman, so sorry if I offended anyone.
Furthermore, you never explained how I have a masculine screen name, so feel free to think before you speak.
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I don't remember disrespecting you whenever you began insinuating I was a lesbian with Annella, mocking my name, and saying I pretend to be smarter than I am.
***sigh*** No Mack, I was not insinuating any kind of homosexual relationship. I was using the "humping her leg" metaphor in relation to what appeared to me of you fawning all over her and making posts simply to win her admiration. I thought you would recognize that.....you know, with your superior intelligence and all........
Funny how I never claimed superior intelligence haha, but allright. "sigh" I'm talking about how you said it should be against my religion to have the name Mack in my screen name. and that by having it i was a dyke, and that too was against my religion
Really now, Mack......let's examine what I reallysaid.....
From: http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=18034.225
Quote from myself: "
What I find a bit ignorant is a female christion referring to them self with a masculine screen name, considering the pervasiveness of homophobic and patriarchal ideologies in your chosen form of spirituality."
Now where in this statement any where do I call you homosexual? Your term for a lesbian is very offensive BTW, you might consider trying on some of that respect you guys are always harping about.
So yeah, as you told another member here recently, feel free to think before you post, Mack.
I don't consider dyke a derogatory name for a lesbian, I consider it the term for a masculine woman in a relationship with another woman, so sorry if I offended anyone.
Furthermore, you never explained how I have a masculine screen name, so feel free to think before you speak.
Wow. I agree 100% with Walks on the derogatory usage of that word. Hate to break it to you, mack, but just as you can't categorize heterosexual's couples elements neither can you do so with lesbian couples. Thinking there is always 1 masculine and 1 feminine is a stereotype in and of itself. My suggestion is that if you don't want to be offensive or disrespectful, don't use words that are meant to incite.
Using the word dyke to refer to a lesbian, if you are not one, is the same as using the word 'n****r' to refer to a black person when you are not black. You have no business doing it because you have no clue about living it. I know you mentioned in another thread that "you have lesbian/gay friends" - NOT an exact quote, but I think you know what I am referring to. I would say you might be an acquaintance of some gay people, but they are not friends, huge difference, at least in my opinion. My true 'friends' are those who know my entire life, my way of thinking, accept me for who I am, and people I know I can count on if I need them no matter what time it is or how busy they might be. I have many real friends who are gay. My best friend has been with her partner for 18 years and they just adopted a 2 year old little girl. I highly doubt these gay friends of your's fall into that category. I could very well be dead wrong on that, but I doubt that also. There are many males and females who declare themselves gay at a young age because it somehow makes them feel cool to say it and especially at your age and while at college. They in fact have NO idea what it is or the struggles true gays who are older have had to go through just to live in a relatively 'normal' way. Throw around the word dyke in a large city, a gay bar, etc., and you will quickly find out just how 'dyke' they can be - after they have face planted you on the floor.
Also, just because someone happens to fit a stereotype (which does happen, stereotypes are created for a reason) it does not justify calling them by a degrading name. I doubt when you see a black person eating chicken you think it's justifiable to use the stereotypical and degrading word that has been used in the past by ignorant generations. I have to wonder if you would have the audacity to refer to a more feminine homosexual male as a 'fairy' or a 'queen'?
It is amazing to me with so much knowledge and information at our finger tips, people still fail to explore any subject on their own and defend their actions or words without any substantive exploration.
edited to add: For the record, if a gay man wants to insult a lesbian, guess what he calls her? A 'dyke'.....
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It is amazing to me with so much knowledge and information at our finger tips, people still fail to explore any subject on their own and defend their actions or words without any substantive exploration.
I know. I know.
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Haha I didn't wait until I was 19 to go to college hun.
Even going as soon as you graduate is average...it is "normal" and typical behavior of people. You also act your age which is a sign of Normal development.
wow i never claimed to be special for going to college haha
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I don't remember disrespecting you whenever you began insinuating I was a lesbian with Annella, mocking my name, and saying I pretend to be smarter than I am.
***sigh*** No Mack, I was not insinuating any kind of homosexual relationship. I was using the "humping her leg" metaphor in relation to what appeared to me of you fawning all over her and making posts simply to win her admiration. I thought you would recognize that.....you know, with your superior intelligence and all........
Funny how I never claimed superior intelligence haha, but allright. "sigh" I'm talking about how you said it should be against my religion to have the name Mack in my screen name. and that by having it i was a dyke, and that too was against my religion
Really now, Mack......let's examine what I reallysaid.....
From: http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=18034.225
Quote from myself: "
What I find a bit ignorant is a female christion referring to them self with a masculine screen name, considering the pervasiveness of homophobic and patriarchal ideologies in your chosen form of spirituality."
Now where in this statement any where do I call you homosexual? Your term for a lesbian is very offensive BTW, you might consider trying on some of that respect you guys are always harping about.
So yeah, as you told another member here recently, feel free to think before you post, Mack.
I don't consider dyke a derogatory name for a lesbian, I consider it the term for a masculine woman in a relationship with another woman, so sorry if I offended anyone.
Furthermore, you never explained how I have a masculine screen name, so feel free to think before you speak.
Wow. I agree 100% with Walks on the derogatory usage of that word. Hate to break it to you, mack, but just as you can't categorize heterosexual's couples elements neither can you do so with lesbian couples. Thinking there is always 1 masculine and 1 feminine is a stereotype in and of itself. My suggestion is that if you don't want to be offensive or disrespectful, don't use words that are meant to incite.
Using the word dyke to refer to a lesbian, if you are not one, is the same as using the word 'n****r' to refer to a black person when you are not black. You have no business doing it because you have no clue about living it. I know you mentioned in another thread that "you have lesbian/gay friends" - NOT an exact quote, but I think you know what I am referring to. I would say you might be an acquaintance of some gay people, but they are not friends, huge difference, at least in my opinion. My true 'friends' are those who know my entire life, my way of thinking, accept me for who I am, and people I know I can count on if I need them no matter what time it is or how busy they might be. I have many real friends who are gay. My best friend has been with her partner for 18 years and they just adopted a 2 year old little girl. I highly doubt these gay friends of your's fall into that category. I could very well be dead wrong on that, but I doubt that also. There are many males and females who declare themselves gay at a young age because it somehow makes them feel cool to say it and especially at your age and while at college. They in fact have NO idea what it is or the struggles true gays who are older have had to go through just to live in a relatively 'normal' way. Throw around the word dyke in a large city, a gay bar, etc., and you will quickly find out just how 'dyke' they can be - after they have face planted you on the floor.
Also, just because someone happens to fit a stereotype (which does happen, stereotypes are created for a reason) it does not justify calling them by a degrading name. I doubt when you see a black person eating chicken you think it's justifiable to use the stereotypical and degrading word that has been used in the past by ignorant generations. I have to wonder if you would have the audacity to refer to a more feminine homosexual male as a 'fairy' or a 'queen'?
It is amazing to me with so much knowledge and information at our finger tips, people still fail to explore any subject on their own and defend their actions or words without any substantive exploration.
edited to add: For the record, if a gay man wants to insult a lesbian, guess what he calls her? A 'dyke'.....
Well I apologized, but I guess as usual you all have to dwell on it anyway.
You have no right to tell me if I have gay/lesbian friends or not.
I NEVER said all gay relationships have one masculine and one feminine, so thanks for putting words in my mouth. I actually said where I'm from dyke is a word used to refer to the masculine member of a lesbian relationship, never said theres always one. If it is derrogatory by yalls terms I apologize, but I didn't mean it in that way. No amount of you griping at me will change any of that.
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I don't consider dyke a derogatory name for a lesbian, I consider it the term for a masculine woman in a relationship with another woman, so sorry if I offended anyone.
Where are you from? The Boonies? Around here we call that a Butch.
butch (b ch) adj. Slang. Exhibiting stereotypically or exaggeratedly masculine traits or appearance. Used especially of lesbians and gay men. n. 1. Slang One who is butch.
oh sorry, didn't know you all get to decide whats offensive and what isnt- yet any degrading name for a christian is acceptable
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Mackenzie said:
oh sorry, didn't know you all get to decide whats offensive and what isnt- yet any degrading name for a christian is acceptable.
Hey, for one thing, why is Walksalone posting on a week dead thread, if not to stir up trouble? Nobody had posted in this thread for a week until he posted out of the blue....only to get something going. Since he started it, he's trying to keep it going I guess.
He did make a homosexual remark implicating Mackenzie and I....no matter how he wants to justify it or explain it away letter by letter, or word my word. I believe at the time, he regarded Mackenzie as a man as she called herself SurveyMack. Since when is it a crime to choose any ID you want? After he assumed she was a male, he made his homosexual remark. Now he's trying to backtrack because the joke was on him? Too bad! He had just before made a rude post about presenting me with a "Laughing Jackass Trophy" because of a grammatical error in an earlier post. When he made an assumption of Mackenzie being a male, and then she revealed she was named "Mackenzie", he got ticked. Well.......to bad. Go back and read the whole thread before jumping on Mackenzie for anything. I then proceeded to give the trophy back to him.
She's right. EVERYTHING we say is scrutinized and torn apart, but you have no problem putting derogatory titles or names on Christians.
It was MY post about her intelligence and college.....not her's. She seems very intelligent to me, and not afraid to stand up for what she believes. So if you have a problem about the posting of her intelligence.....it's my post and evaluation of her.
What is the deal about whether she has gay friends or not jordandog? I mean really? What was that long post about her relationship with her friends and if they were gay, and probably were not TRUE friends etc. That's absurd!
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Another thing.....I applaud anyone going to any higher education outside of high school Marieelissa wether it be college, Tech. school, etc. In this day and age, furthering your education and/or marketable skills takes some brave incentive considering the cost, and everything else it takes to "make the grade". Including.....if you can even find a job (afterward) with those marketable skills in this economy?
Mackenzie is probably on FC to make a little extra moolah like all the rest of us, and deserves it. I believe she's working part time also as to further her education. I can't remember everything she told me, but it seemed like a big load to carry for a young woman. I respect her for that, and all you can do is tear her down?
Give yourself a hand.............
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oh sorry, didn't know you all get to decide whats offensive and what isnt- yet any degrading name for a christian is acceptable
Don't speak for everyone, when you speak to me, speak of my actions and words and not anyone elses. COOL!!
What's wrong with you today Marieelissa? You took her words and twisted it around and then used it against her.....NOT COOL!! Since you, jordandog, Walksalone, and Falconer were all posting her at once....she addressed you as a group. I would have done the same thing.
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Another thing.....I applaud anyone going to any higher education outside of high school Marieelissa wether it be college, Tech. school, etc. In this day and age, furthering your education, and/or marketable skills, takes some brave incentive considering the cost, and everything else it takes to "make the grade". Not including if you can even find a job afterward with those marketable skills in this economy?
Mackenzie is probably on FC to make a little extra moolah like all the rest of us, and deserves it. I believe she's working part time also as to further her education. I can't remember everything she told me, but it seemed like a big load to carry for a young woman. I respect her for that, and all you can do is tear her down?
Give yourself a hand.............
Well she is lacking one thing and it is the ability to be nice. Christians are suppost to be like God and the behavior I seen from lots of them show that they are not with God what so ever.
The ability to be nice? Oh please.....I can't believe you of all people can post these words? Your on ignore for now.
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oh sorry, didn't know you all get to decide whats offensive and what isnt- yet any degrading name for a christian is acceptable
Will it never end....
Once again, when it has absolutely nothing to do with anything christian, you have to play the same old card from your hand. The poor and debased christians come into play so that being offensive to another group of people can be downplayed.
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oh sorry, didn't know you all get to decide whats offensive and what isnt- yet any degrading name for a christian is acceptable
Will it never end....
Once again, when it has absolutely nothing to do with anything christian, you have to play the same old card from your hand. The poor and debased christians come into play so that being offensive to another group of people can be downplayed.
Will it never end? Probably not! Thing is......it's the believers (Christians) that seem to get your abrasive postings and offensive put downs. The Christians are especially treated to your scathing remarks. Excuse us for making the connection......that is so clearly there. Your insinuating that Mackenzie was offensive to any "group" of people when YOU made the comment about slang words pertaining to certain types of races and peoples......when she did not, is projecting a falsehood.
Quite trying to accuse her of things said or (by your judgement) implied, when all you are doing is trying to stir up a hornet's nest. A lot of what was in your post about calling a black person n****r, or some black person eating chicken or some such nonsense......CAME FROM YOU!!!!! What in the world were you trying to reference with those kinds of stereotypes? Another thing, I don't recall Mackenzie even referring to such. Are you for real? Talk about putting words in someone's mouth.
Stop trying to make reference to something that wasn't said, or make it damaging, when there was no reference to it at all. Who are you to judge who and what kind of friends she has? You accused her of such audacity, when in truth your whole post is such.
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oh sorry, didn't know you all get to decide whats offensive and what isnt- yet any degrading name for a christian is acceptable
Will it never end....
Once again, when it has absolutely nothing to do with anything christian, you have to play the same old card from your hand. The poor and debased christians come into play so that being offensive to another group of people can be downplayed.
Will it never end? Probably not! Thing is......it's the believers (Christians) that seem to get your abrasive postings and offensive put downs. The Christians are especially treated to your scathing remarks. Excuse us for making the connection......that is so clearly there. Your insinuating that Mackenzie was offensive to any "group" of people when YOU made the comment about slang words pertaining to certain types of races and peoples......when she did not, is projecting a falsehood.
Quite trying to accuse her of things said or (by your judgement) implied, when all you are doing is trying to stir up a hornet's nest. A lot of what was in your post about calling a black person n****r, or some black person eating chicken or some such nonsense......CAME FROM YOU!!!!! What in the world were you trying to reference with those kinds of stereotypes? Another thing, I don't recall Mackenzie even referring to such. Are you for real? Talk about putting words in someone's mouth.
Stop trying to make reference to something that wasn't said, or make it damaging, when there was no reference to it at all. Who are you to judge who and what kind of friends she has? You accused her of such audacity, when in truth your whole post is such.
Annella, I have come to the conclusion that you are just not able to look out beyond your tunnel vision of christianity long enough (if at all) to see there is a whole world out there that exists beyond it. I did not put words in anyone's mouth and my remarks were mine. I never said they were mack's, or anyone else's. Why do you feel the need to stick your nose into every reply when they have nothing to do with you and are not addressed to you?
Do NOT confuse my posts with Cuppycake's, or any of the other non-regular D&D posters, who jump in randomly and DO call you christians names and tell you all to go play with invisible friends. You will NOT be able to because they are not there to find, period.
I call it like I see it and that 'dyke' comment and what followed had nothing to do with christians, but as I said, the 'christian card' was played again. That is not a sign of intelligence when all anyone can do is continue to come back to the same old thing, time after time. It is like a small child ending each and every argument with one of their playmates with, "Well, my dad can still beat up your dad, so there!"
I honestly don't think you have enough going for you in the thought department to come up with anything outside of a christian perspective - regardless of what we happen to be discussing at the time. I was off here for 10 days, other than a casual glance, because I was teaching classes to R.N.'s. I posted in this thread (you were upset because Walks had rekindled it, remember?) because the remark made by mack angered and upset me. If you did not like Walks rekindling the thread, which he had EVERY right to, why bother posting your (unnecessary) input? Find something else to complain about. Perhaps something more worthy. Have a wonderful day.
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I don't consider dyke a derogatory name for a lesbian, I consider it the term for a masculine woman in a relationship with another woman, so sorry if I offended anyone.
Furthermore, you never explained how I have a masculine screen name, so feel free to think before you speak.
Well I apologized, but I guess as usual you all have to dwell on it anyway.
You have no right to tell me if I have gay/lesbian friends or not.
I NEVER said all gay relationships have one masculine and one feminine, so thanks for putting words in my mouth. I actually said where I'm from dyke is a word used to refer to the masculine member of a lesbian relationship, never said theres always one. If it is derrogatory by yalls terms I apologize, but I didn't mean it in that way. No amount of you griping at me will change any of that.
disparaging: expressing criticism or a low opinion
I don't know how you look at it but calling anyone names is mean and unchristian like.
You're right. IF I had meant it in a degrading way it would have been rude of me to use that name, since I didn't you're wrong. I'm not going to apologize 50 times on a thread full of people I don't know for saying a word that they think shouldn't be said even if I didn't mean it in a harmful way.
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Another thing.....I applaud anyone going to any higher education outside of high school Marieelissa wether it be college, Tech. school, etc. In this day and age, furthering your education, and/or marketable skills, takes some brave incentive considering the cost, and everything else it takes to "make the grade". Not including if you can even find a job afterward with those marketable skills in this economy?
Mackenzie is probably on FC to make a little extra moolah like all the rest of us, and deserves it. I believe she's working part time also as to further her education. I can't remember everything she told me, but it seemed like a big load to carry for a young woman. I respect her for that, and all you can do is tear her down?
Give yourself a hand.............
Well she is lacking one thing and it is the ability to be nice. Christians are suppost to be like God and the behavior I seen from lots of them show that they are not with God what so ever.
If only your judgement mattered.
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It was MY post about her intelligence and college.....not her's. She seems very intelligent to me, and not afraid to stand up for what she believes. So if you have a problem about the posting of her intelligence.....it's my post and evaluation of her.
And I am pointing out she is no Doogie Howser...cool.
I NEVER claimed to be, so once again you're way off the mark with your posts. I go to college, that's ALL I said. WOW.
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oh sorry, didn't know you all get to decide whats offensive and what isnt- yet any degrading name for a christian is acceptable
Don't speak for everyone, when you speak to me, speak of my actions and words and not anyone elses. COOL!!
What's wrong with you today Marieelissa? You took her words and twisted it around and then used it against her.....NOT COOL!! Since you, jordandog, Walksalone, and Falconer were all posting her at once....she addressed you as a group. I would have done the same thing.
Well considering I am a Christian why would I degrade myself?
Right now while its convenient, just a few days ago you posted a thread saying if God was real he would have came down here by now. That's all fine and dandy, it's your choice, but claiming Christianity when its convenient is getting a bit old.
and I can only imagine what responses I will get for posting this truth
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oh sorry, didn't know you all get to decide whats offensive and what isnt- yet any degrading name for a christian is acceptable
Will it never end....
Once again, when it has absolutely nothing to do with anything christian, you have to play the same old card from your hand. The poor and debased christians come into play so that being offensive to another group of people can be downplayed.
Well when the hypocrisy ends I'll quit bringing it up.
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oh sorry, didn't know you all get to decide whats offensive and what isnt- yet any degrading name for a christian is acceptable
Will it never end....
Once again, when it has absolutely nothing to do with anything christian, you have to play the same old card from your hand. The poor and debased christians come into play so that being offensive to another group of people can be downplayed.
Will it never end? Probably not! Thing is......it's the believers (Christians) that seem to get your abrasive postings and offensive put downs. The Christians are especially treated to your scathing remarks. Excuse us for making the connection......that is so clearly there. Your insinuating that Mackenzie was offensive to any "group" of people when YOU made the comment about slang words pertaining to certain types of races and peoples......when she did not, is projecting a falsehood.
Quite trying to accuse her of things said or (by your judgement) implied, when all you are doing is trying to stir up a hornet's nest. A lot of what was in your post about calling a black person n****r, or some black person eating chicken or some such nonsense......CAME FROM YOU!!!!! What in the world were you trying to reference with those kinds of stereotypes? Another thing, I don't recall Mackenzie even referring to such. Are you for real? Talk about putting words in someone's mouth.
Stop trying to make reference to something that wasn't said, or make it damaging, when there was no reference to it at all. Who are you to judge who and what kind of friends she has? You accused her of such audacity, when in truth your whole post is such.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Another thing.....I applaud anyone going to any higher education outside of high school Marieelissa wether it be college, Tech. school, etc. In this day and age, furthering your education, and/or marketable skills, takes some brave incentive considering the cost, and everything else it takes to "make the grade". Not including if you can even find a job afterward with those marketable skills in this economy?
Mackenzie is probably on FC to make a little extra moolah like all the rest of us, and deserves it. I believe she's working part time also as to further her education. I can't remember everything she told me, but it seemed like a big load to carry for a young woman. I respect her for that, and all you can do is tear her down?
Give yourself a hand.............
Well she is lacking one thing and it is the ability to be nice. Christians are suppost to be like God and the behavior I seen from lots of them show that they are not with God what so ever.
The ability to be nice? Oh please.....I can't believe you of all people can post these words? Your on ignore for now.
Do you really think me being on ignore hurts my feelings? I could care less and why do you guys feel the need to announce it :dontknow:
Then quit talking about it 4 posts later.
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oh sorry, didn't know you all get to decide whats offensive and what isnt- yet any degrading name for a christian is acceptable
Will it never end....
Once again, when it has absolutely nothing to do with anything christian, you have to play the same old card from your hand. The poor and debased christians come into play so that being offensive to another group of people can be downplayed.
Will it never end? Probably not! Thing is......it's the believers (Christians) that seem to get your abrasive postings and offensive put downs. The Christians are especially treated to your scathing remarks. Excuse us for making the connection......that is so clearly there. Your insinuating that Mackenzie was offensive to any "group" of people when YOU made the comment about slang words pertaining to certain types of races and peoples......when she did not, is projecting a falsehood.
Quite trying to accuse her of things said or (by your judgement) implied, when all you are doing is trying to stir up a hornet's nest. A lot of what was in your post about calling a black person n****r, or some black person eating chicken or some such nonsense......CAME FROM YOU!!!!! What in the world were you trying to reference with those kinds of stereotypes? Another thing, I don't recall Mackenzie even referring to such. Are you for real? Talk about putting words in someone's mouth.
Stop trying to make reference to something that wasn't said, or make it damaging, when there was no reference to it at all. Who are you to judge who and what kind of friends she has? You accused her of such audacity, when in truth your whole post is such.
Annella, I have come to the conclusion that you are just not able to look out beyond your tunnel vision of christianity long enough (if at all) to see there is a whole world out there that exists beyond it. I did not put words in anyone's mouth and my remarks were mine. I never said they were mack's, or anyone else's.
Do NOT confuse my posts with Cuppycake's, or any of the other non-regular D&D posters, who jump in randomly and DO call you christians names and tell you all to go play with invisible friends. You will NOT be able to because they are not there to find, period.
I call it like I see it and that 'dyke' comment and what followed had nothing to do with christians, but as I said, the 'christian card' was played again. That is not a sign of intelligence when all anyone can do is continue to come back to the same old thing, time after time. It is like a small child ending each and every argument with one of their playmates with, "Well, my dad can still beat up your dad, so there!"
I honestly don't think you have enough going for you in the thought department to come up with anything outside of a christian perspective - regardless of what we happen to be discussing at the time. I was off here for 10 days, other than a casual glance, because I was teaching classes to R.N.'s. I posted in this thread (you were upset because Walks had rekindled it, remember?) because the remark made by mack angered and upset me. If you did not like Walks rekindling the thread, which he had EVERY right to, why bother posting your (unnecessary) input? Find something else to complain about. Perhaps something more worthy. Have a wonderful day.
I posted to all of you (Walksalone, Falconer, and you). While you criticize anything we say as Christians, it seems to be common behavior for you nonbelievers to "gang up" on a Christian when no other Christians are on line, or you think they aren't. While some may hold back, I will not. If you know nothing of me by now.....know this....I will stick up and "back" any believer, or friend, on this forum. I've been very careful of posting anything to anyone, and have been posting in other threads. However, if you all want to light the negative candle again and "corner" one of my friends, or a believer, get ready for the battle, because I won't shy away from it one bit. Since Walksalone did rekindle the thread, my question was why? Because he wanted to stir the pot again? Those were my words.
Attacking my intelligence with your slanted talk of "tunnel vision" and "I don't have a lot going for me in the thought department" shows just how "low" you're capable of stooping with your put downs. No matter what, you have to say some degrading or demeaning thing to any believer. It's your MO, and the other 2 that post put downs to believers. So your defense of "I don't call you names" is thwarted.
While you berate me for answering your post.....it's the same argument you've always had.....see your words below:
Why do you feel the need to stick your nose into every reply when they have nothing to do with you and are not addressed to you?
Why? Because this is a public forum, and you were degrading and demeaning a friend of mine...Christian or not, and I have every right to post whatever I feel. Since when do you control this forum? In other words, I should just sit back, and let you verbally tear down my friends, and yes...Christians, and say nothing. This has been your complaint over and over. That we actually stick up for ourselves, and you don't like it.....too bad! You take one word and make a complete "throw down" over it, when you're so insulting to anyone who professes to be a Christian. Yeah, Christians, because those are the ones your so foul to.
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Mackenzie said:
oh sorry, didn't know you all get to decide whats offensive and what isnt- yet any degrading name for a christian is acceptable.
Hey, for one thing, why is Walksalone posting on a week dead thread, if not to stir up trouble? Nobody had posted in this thread for a week until he posted out of the blue....only to get something going. Since he started it, he's trying to keep it going I guess.
Well, damn MeeMaw, some of us do have a life besides FC you kno?
I was busy in the real doing stuff worth a hell of a lot more to me then the few pennies a day available here. I posted on here the next time I got online.
I guess I need to once again remind you that you have absolutely no authority on here.
You are continuously trying to boss members around on here.Shut up with that already.
If it stresses you when members exercise their right by posting when ever and what ever they wish then perhaps you should put a few more of us on ignore, otherwise, if you don't like it.....tough *bleep*, Reverend.
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Another thing.....I applaud anyone going to any higher education outside of high school Marieelissa wether it be college, Tech. school, etc. In this day and age, furthering your education, and/or marketable skills, takes some brave incentive considering the cost, and everything else it takes to "make the grade". Not including if you can even find a job afterward with those marketable skills in this economy?
Mackenzie is probably on FC to make a little extra moolah like all the rest of us, and deserves it. I believe she's working part time also as to further her education. I can't remember everything she told me, but it seemed like a big load to carry for a young woman. I respect her for that, and all you can do is tear her down?
Give yourself a hand.............
Well she is lacking one thing and it is the ability to be nice. Christians are suppost to be like God and the behavior I seen from lots of them show that they are not with God what so ever.
The ability to be nice? Oh please.....I can't believe you of all people can post these words? Your on ignore for now.
Do you really think me being on ignore hurts my feelings? I could care less and why do you guys feel the need to announce it :dontknow:
Then quit talking about it 4 posts later.
I just addressed the comment. So once again stfu and mind your business.
Who's not nice now?
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Mackenzie said:
oh sorry, didn't know you all get to decide whats offensive and what isnt- yet any degrading name for a christian is acceptable.
Hey, for one thing, why is Walksalone posting on a week dead thread, if not to stir up trouble? Nobody had posted in this thread for a week until he posted out of the blue....only to get something going. Since he started it, he's trying to keep it going I guess.
Well, damn MeeMaw, some of us do have a life besides FC you kno?
I was busy in the real doing stuff worth a hell of a lot more to me then the few pennies a day available here. I posted on here the next time I got online.
I guess I need to once again remind you that you have absolutely no authority on here.
You are continuously trying to boss members around on here.Shut up with that already.
If it stresses you when members exercise their right by posting when ever and what ever they wish then perhaps you should put a few more of us on ignore, otherwise, if you don't like it.....tough *bleep*, Reverend.
So you all are the only people allowed to tell people whether to post or not?
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Mackenzie said:
oh sorry, didn't know you all get to decide whats offensive and what isnt- yet any degrading name for a christian is acceptable.
Hey, for one thing, why is Walksalone posting on a week dead thread, if not to stir up trouble? Nobody had posted in this thread for a week until he posted out of the blue....only to get something going. Since he started it, he's trying to keep it going I guess.
Well, damn MeeMaw, some of us do have a life besides FC you kno?
I was busy in the real doing stuff worth a hell of a lot more to me then the few pennies a day available here. I posted on here the next time I got online.
I guess I need to once again remind you that you have absolutely no authority on here.
You are continuously trying to boss members around on here.Shut up with that already.
If it stresses you when members exercise their right by posting when ever and what ever they wish then perhaps you should put a few more of us on ignore, otherwise, if you don't like it.....tough *bleep*, Reverend.
So you all are the only people allowed to tell people whether to post or not?
Ya kno, you sure do like to talk a lot of *bleep* with no evidence to back it all the time. Show a quote from me telling anyone not to post.
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Mackenzie said:
oh sorry, didn't know you all get to decide whats offensive and what isnt- yet any degrading name for a christian is acceptable.
Hey, for one thing, why is Walksalone posting on a week dead thread, if not to stir up trouble? Nobody had posted in this thread for a week until he posted out of the blue....only to get something going. Since he started it, he's trying to keep it going I guess.
Well, damn MeeMaw, some of us do have a life besides FC you kno?
I was busy in the real doing stuff worth a hell of a lot more to me then the few pennies a day available here. I posted on here the next time I got online.
I guess I need to once again remind you that you have absolutely no authority on here.
You are continuously trying to boss members around on here.Shut up with that already.
If it stresses you when members exercise their right by posting when ever and what ever they wish then perhaps you should put a few more of us on ignore, otherwise, if you don't like it.....tough *bleep*, Reverend.
Members posting does not stress me, but I will come to the aid of a fellow Christian and friend....so get used to it. If you took time to read the previous posts, you would see that my right to post was questioned, not the other way around.
What I asked was why after a week did you think it was a good thing to stir the pot again? Let me remind you that you have no authority here either. As far as telling me to shut up.....you have NO authority there either. I will post whatever I feel is a proper response to whatever filth you spew out to my fellow brothers, sisters, or friends. All your "ganging up" on one person speaks volumes of your character. Your cursing and foul derogatory remarks do also.
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Mackenzie said:
oh sorry, didn't know you all get to decide whats offensive and what isnt- yet any degrading name for a christian is acceptable.
Hey, for one thing, why is Walksalone posting on a week dead thread, if not to stir up trouble? Nobody had posted in this thread for a week until he posted out of the blue....only to get something going. Since he started it, he's trying to keep it going I guess.
Well, damn MeeMaw, some of us do have a life besides FC you kno?
I was busy in the real doing stuff worth a hell of a lot more to me then the few pennies a day available here. I posted on here the next time I got online.
I guess I need to once again remind you that you have absolutely no authority on here.
You are continuously trying to boss members around on here.Shut up with that already.
If it stresses you when members exercise their right by posting when ever and what ever they wish then perhaps you should put a few more of us on ignore, otherwise, if you don't like it.....tough *bleep*, Reverend.
Members posting does not stress me, but I will come to the aid of a fellow Christian and friend....so get used to it. If you took time to read the previous posts, you would see that my right to post was questioned, not the other way around.
What I asked was why after a week did you think it was a good thing to stir the pot again? Let me remind you that you have no authority here either. As far as telling me to shut up.....you have NO authority there either. I will post whatever I feel is a proper response to whatever filth you spew out to my fellow brothers, sisters, or friends. All your "ganging up" on one person speaks volumes of your character. Your cursing and foul derogatory remarks do also.
pull my finger.......
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Mackenzie said:
oh sorry, didn't know you all get to decide whats offensive and what isnt- yet any degrading name for a christian is acceptable.
Hey, for one thing, why is Walksalone posting on a week dead thread, if not to stir up trouble? Nobody had posted in this thread for a week until he posted out of the blue....only to get something going. Since he started it, he's trying to keep it going I guess.
Well, damn MeeMaw, some of us do have a life besides FC you kno?
I was busy in the real doing stuff worth a hell of a lot more to me then the few pennies a day available here. I posted on here the next time I got online.
I guess I need to once again remind you that you have absolutely no authority on here.
You are continuously trying to boss members around on here.Shut up with that already.
If it stresses you when members exercise their right by posting when ever and what ever they wish then perhaps you should put a few more of us on ignore, otherwise, if you don't like it.....tough *bleep*, Reverend.
Members posting does not stress me, but I will come to the aid of a fellow Christian and friend....so get used to it. If you took time to read the previous posts, you would see that my right to post was questioned, not the other way around.
What I asked was why after a week did you think it was a good thing to stir the pot again? Let me remind you that you have no authority here either. As far as telling me to shut up.....you have NO authority there either. I will post whatever I feel is a proper response to whatever filth you spew out to my fellow brothers, sisters, or friends. All your "ganging up" on one person speaks volumes of your character. Your cursing and foul derogatory remarks do also.
pull my finger.......
What an intelligent response ::)
If you eschew the few pennies a day you make on here, then why have you been here for a year? I happen to love this site and the few extra dollars a month I make to help out wherever.
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Mackenzie said:
oh sorry, didn't know you all get to decide whats offensive and what isnt- yet any degrading name for a christian is acceptable.
Hey, for one thing, why is Walksalone posting on a week dead thread, if not to stir up trouble? Nobody had posted in this thread for a week until he posted out of the blue....only to get something going. Since he started it, he's trying to keep it going I guess.
Well, damn MeeMaw, some of us do have a life besides FC you kno?
I was busy in the real doing stuff worth a hell of a lot more to me then the few pennies a day available here. I posted on here the next time I got online.
I guess I need to once again remind you that you have absolutely no authority on here.
You are continuously trying to boss members around on here.Shut up with that already.
If it stresses you when members exercise their right by posting when ever and what ever they wish then perhaps you should put a few more of us on ignore, otherwise, if you don't like it.....tough *bleep*, Reverend.
Members posting does not stress me, but I will come to the aid of a fellow Christian and friend....so get used to it. If you took time to read the previous posts, you would see that my right to post was questioned, not the other way around.
What I asked was why after a week did you think it was a good thing to stir the pot again? Let me remind you that you have no authority here either. As far as telling me to shut up.....you have NO authority there either. I will post whatever I feel is a proper response to whatever filth you spew out to my fellow brothers, sisters, or friends. All your "ganging up" on one person speaks volumes of your character. Your cursing and foul derogatory remarks do also.
pull my finger.......
What an intelligent response ::)
If you eschew the few pennies a day you make on here, then why have you been here for a year? I happen to love this site and the few extra dollars a month I make to help out wherever.
Well Admin. certainly has my blessing to give their opinion of if it seems like I am here for the money.
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Mackenzie said:
oh sorry, didn't know you all get to decide whats offensive and what isnt- yet any degrading name for a christian is acceptable.
Hey, for one thing, why is Walksalone posting on a week dead thread, if not to stir up trouble? Nobody had posted in this thread for a week until he posted out of the blue....only to get something going. Since he started it, he's trying to keep it going I guess.
Well, damn MeeMaw, some of us do have a life besides FC you kno?
I was busy in the real doing stuff worth a hell of a lot more to me then the few pennies a day available here. I posted on here the next time I got online.
I guess I need to once again remind you that you have absolutely no authority on here.
You are continuously trying to boss members around on here.Shut up with that already.
If it stresses you when members exercise their right by posting when ever and what ever they wish then perhaps you should put a few more of us on ignore, otherwise, if you don't like it.....tough *bleep*, Reverend.
Members posting does not stress me, but I will come to the aid of a fellow Christian and friend....so get used to it. If you took time to read the previous posts, you would see that my right to post was questioned, not the other way around.
What I asked was why after a week did you think it was a good thing to stir the pot again? Let me remind you that you have no authority here either. As far as telling me to shut up.....you have NO authority there either. I will post whatever I feel is a proper response to whatever filth you spew out to my fellow brothers, sisters, or friends. All your "ganging up" on one person speaks volumes of your character. Your cursing and foul derogatory remarks do also.
pull my finger.......
What an intelligent response ::)
If you eschew the few pennies a day you make on here, then why have you been here for a year? I happen to love this site and the few extra dollars a month I make to help out wherever.
Well Admin. certainly has my blessing to give their opinion of if it seems like I am here for the money.
Your response makes no sense at all. However....this is D&D, and we all enter at our own risk, so man up!
Admin. certainly reads these threads periodically, and I'm sure your character comes through loud and clear....so what other cuss words do you use to give yourself a sense of false superiority? ::)
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Annella:
Since when do you control this forum? In other words, I should just sit back, and let you verbally tear down my friends, and yes...Christians, and say nothing.
I don't say, remotely consider, or think I control this forum, because I don't and I also do not care to, period. I am tired of you alone always jumping into every single thing I post and getting on your high horse about it. As for this:
This has been your complaint over and over. That we actually stick up for ourselves, and you don't like it.....too bad! You take one word and make a complete "throw down" over it, when you're so insulting to anyone who professes to be a Christian. Yeah, Christians, because those are the ones your so foul to.
I have no problem now and have had no problem in the past with other christians on this forum. You are the only one I seem to have a problem with and I stated why above. I believe there have been only a couple times when I have had any kind of discussion with mack personally and it really has not been as huge a deal as you make it out to be. Stick up for people all you want, but stop telling me THAT is what I don't like. DO NOT accuse me of being foul to ALL christians, because I am not. What I don't like is how you approach things. You may be the nicest person in the world, but not on this forum and this is where I interact with you. I'm sorry if I don't have you up on a pedestal and I am not afraid of offending you if need be. If other people on here, who happen to be christian, feel I have insulted or been so foul to them on a continuing basis then let THEM speak up about it and stop speaking for everyone else. You are the one I keep hearing this from. Where are the rest of these posters I have been so awful to? Why aren't they voicing the same things you do time after time? You might do well to stop being the teacher for a minute and start being the pupil because I don't seem to have these go arounds with anyone but you. I have mentioned before you might do yourself a favor and learn how to approach someone who doesn't have the same beliefs you do because you are so close-minded you can't seem to get past that. Don't excuse your own rudeness and scathing remarks in the name of christianity - they are wrong whether you are a christian or not.
Goodnight all.
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Annella:
Since when do you control this forum? In other words, I should just sit back, and let you verbally tear down my friends, and yes...Christians, and say nothing.
I don't say, remotely consider, or think I control this forum, because I don't and I also do not care to, period. I am tired of you alone always jumping into every single thing I post and getting on your high horse about it. As for this:
This has been your complaint over and over. That we actually stick up for ourselves, and you don't like it.....too bad! You take one word and make a complete "throw down" over it, when you're so insulting to anyone who professes to be a Christian. Yeah, Christians, because those are the ones your so foul to.
I have no problem now and have had no problem in the past with other christians on this forum. You are the only one I seem to have a problem with and I stated why above. I believe there have been only a couple times when I have had any kind of discussion with mack personally and it really has not been as huge a deal as you make it out to be. Stick up for people all you want, but stop telling me THAT is what I don't like. DO NOT accuse me of being foul to ALL christians, because I am not. What I don't like is how you approach things. You may be the nicest person in the world, but not on this forum and this is where I interact with you. I'm sorry if I don't have you up on a pedestal and I am not afraid of offending you if need be. If other people on here, who happen to be christian, feel I have insulted or been so foul to them on a continuing basis then let THEM speak up about it and stop speaking for everyone else. You are the one I keep hearing this from. Where are the rest of these posters I have been so awful to? Why aren't they voicing the same things you do time after time? You might do well to stop being the teacher for a minute and start being the pupil because I don't seem to have these go arounds with anyone but you. I have mentioned before you might do yourself a favor and learn how to approach someone who doesn't have the same beliefs you do because you are so close-minded you can't seem to get past that. Don't excuse your own rudeness and scathing remarks in the name of christianity - they are wrong whether you are a christian or not.
Goodnight all.
My rude and scathing remarks as you put it are not anything of the kind. What I post is complete truth, and point out your ability to play the innocent when you are anything but. Anybody who reads these posts can come to the conclusion that I'm coming to the defense of a friend, or discounting your posts as garbled nonsense, and you try to put other meanings and words to Mackenzie's post, when she had no thought or intent to post such a thing. Your very good at this, and then playing innocent.
I have no problem approaching people with no beliefs or adverse beliefs in the world. I don't think you would talk to me the way you do in real life, because believe me, you would get the same response, as you get here. If you came into my church spouting this kind of stuff, you would be shown the door. Surprised? You shouldn't be. I would no more have you come into the congregation of believers and wreck havoc than I would anyone. Remember, the Shepherd protects the sheep.
There are times when someone out of their ignorance may offend in word or deed because they know no better. That's completely different than what your doing. That isn't the case with you, is it? You go out of your way to degrade anything to do with any belief in God or profess Christianity. You claim to have been a Christain yourself, and now your not. That was your own decision, but now it seems your out to subvert anyone else that professes Christianity, etc. NO, I'm not the only one you have spewed your discontent on. I'm the one who calls you on your garbage more than the others. Case in point....Mackenzie above, and she hasn't been on this forum that long.
However, lately, you have made it a point to come after me time after time on this forum. Anyone can read the posts for themselves and come to their own conclusions. Thing is, I'm not backing down from you anymore, and you don't like it. As far as telling me that I should be a pupil, I'm a pupil everyday, so is every Christian. You try your best to descredit my stand for God, and all it does is pull the cover off of what is in your own heart, and what's driving you.
It's sad. :( However, it's not to late for anyone to find the road back to life, and the God who loves them more than they can ever imagine. The Bible says that God is married to the backslider. Even though we may have left Him, He never leaves us....though we have a time appointed unto us for this decision.
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Hey in the end times, christians are going to go through turmoil so just brace yourself.
Hey..."in the end times"? ;) Christians go through turmoil from the moment they decide to become a Christian. I get just as tired of non-believers thinking Christians live a problem-free, happy life as they get of thinking Christians live a problem-free, happy life. Think about it...satan has NO reason to give non-believers a hard time, why would he want to discourage them...why would he want to give them a reason to go looking for God? His mission is to keep the lost "lost"--- keep them blind & keep them tied. He goes after the Christians, he tries everything in his power to discourage them, to get them to blame God instead of him. He has alot of tricks and it must be such a sweet victory for him for each Christian he turns away from God. In the "end times", he knows he's running out of time so he'll be steppin' up his game is all. I'm living for the day when he gets what he deserves!! Annella said it best when she said in another thread that she will dance at his funeral---I bet ALL of God's angels will as well, they have got to be SO SICK of him & his "antics" after all this time!!
Just found this little nugget of wisdom from you Sheryl. In the last days (I believe we are in them), the enemy will exault himself against anything or anyone pertaining to God. Not that he hasn't always done it, but he knows his time is very short, and he's pulling out all the stops (just what Sheryl said).
Becoming a Christian throws you directly into a battle for your soul, and those lost souls around you. It takes guts to live the life of a Christian, and defend the Faith. How easy to profess that God doesn't exist, and ride the wave of least resistance. I've said it before.....if Chrisitanity is a crutch....I'd like 2 please.
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Mackenzie said:
oh sorry, didn't know you all get to decide whats offensive and what isnt- yet any degrading name for a christian is acceptable.
Hey, for one thing, why is Walksalone posting on a week dead thread, if not to stir up trouble? Nobody had posted in this thread for a week until he posted out of the blue....only to get something going. Since he started it, he's trying to keep it going I guess.
Well, damn MeeMaw, some of us do have a life besides FC you kno?
I was busy in the real doing stuff worth a hell of a lot more to me then the few pennies a day available here. I posted on here the next time I got online.
I guess I need to once again remind you that you have absolutely no authority on here.
You are continuously trying to boss members around on here.Shut up with that already.
If it stresses you when members exercise their right by posting when ever and what ever they wish then perhaps you should put a few more of us on ignore, otherwise, if you don't like it.....tough *bleep*, Reverend.
Throwing curse words out to anyone on here, Christian or not, gets you nowhere, walksalone. It just gives a truer picture of who you are...
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Mackenzie said:
oh sorry, didn't know you all get to decide whats offensive and what isnt- yet any degrading name for a christian is acceptable.
Hey, for one thing, why is Walksalone posting on a week dead thread, if not to stir up trouble? Nobody had posted in this thread for a week until he posted out of the blue....only to get something going. Since he started it, he's trying to keep it going I guess.
Well, damn MeeMaw, some of us do have a life besides FC you kno?
I was busy in the real doing stuff worth a hell of a lot more to me then the few pennies a day available here. I posted on here the next time I got online.
I guess I need to once again remind you that you have absolutely no authority on here.
You are continuously trying to boss members around on here.Shut up with that already.
If it stresses you when members exercise their right by posting when ever and what ever they wish then perhaps you should put a few more of us on ignore, otherwise, if you don't like it.....tough *bleep*, Reverend.
Throwing curse words out to anyone on here, Christian or not, gets you nowhere, walksalone. It just gives a truer picture of who you are...
for some reason, when I was serving in your NAVY, my superiors didn't mind and in fact encouraged rough language.
There is a reason why I rarely post any thing of a personal nature, why I don't post my earnings banner nor my pic.
My fight is for "The People" period. Not for myself.
If you think bad of me, so be it.
If everyone on here thinks the same, so be it.
At least I admit my short comings and have done so on here a few times, and don't portray myself as some self righteous, holier then thou demi-god or something.
You think you know me?
Against my better judgement I will tell you a couple things about me.
I am often admonished by my elders for my attitude, too. They say I should start practicing to behave as an Elder.
However, I am 15 years away from attaining that status, and honestly, I wont live that long.
Early in 2008 I was diagnosed with adult onset leukemia, which JDog can verify is incurable. It can be treated however, I refused treatment as I know that the side effects of it would put me out of the fight. So far I feel pretty good and have lost in excess of 80 pounds and still have my strength so can continue the fight where ever it is. I travel all over the country often to various events any time I can be of assistance.
My Mother and my oldest Brother had their first heart attacks at the age of 42. I just had my first about 3 weeks ago at age 45,when I mentioned to Annella I hadnt been well.
So you see, I don't have the luxery of time nor much in the way of concern to put a lot of attention on myself. I am very expendable, just as is every other individual. The whole is what matters.
Therefor, I wont be selfishly wasting time that is more deserving to the People, trying to "better" myself simply to suit you or others who are annoyed with the "chip on my shoulder".
I just plain do not have time to worry with trivial *bleep*.
As for why I am here. I whole heartedly believe that education in one of the biggest keys to the betterment of the lives of my People. It would be pretty foolish of me to segregate myself to only groups of fellow Natives. That would kinda be preaching to the choir dontcha think?
Of course, I can see why some people would rather do that.....no dissenting views, eh Annella?
I will not be elaborating further on what I have posted here so don't waste your time asking. If you want to talk issues that I deal with, besides my personal ones, fine, I will spend as much time as you like, but the subject of me personally is off the table, period
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Okay noted....I'll pray for you, and please don't take offense to that. I don't dislike you or jordandog. We do have differing opinions and stances (understatement). I myself last night agreed (with myself) that my energy can be better used elsewhere as there is much I want to see addressed in my own community, and my circle of family and friends. I'm sorry for your health problems. I have no desire to add to anyone's burden, and if I have.....I'm sincerely sorry.
This forum is just that....a forum. Not the last line of defense by any means. I loathe any kind of injustice, even if it doesn't seem that way to anyone else. I've always jumped in defense of anyone I feel is getting backed in a corner or being slighted in any way. By doing so, I draw the ire and fire myself. There's no changing that about me, it's who and what I am. Patience and longsuffering are not my best attributes.....there, I've said it!
I'm in no way superior or better than anyone alive on this planet.....just a sinner saved by His grace. Do I fail....absolutely! Have I sinned since I believed? Yep! Just because my belief is adverse to others unbelief, does not make me superior, better, higher, or more pure......just.....different. Even the Bible calls our righteousness "filthy rags". I'm not on a pedestal, but the lowest of sinners that God had to reach WAY DOWN to save me. You have no idea what kind of life I led before I knew Christ. You'd be so surprised.
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My two cents for what it's worth: I've had to work with people at various jobs where no matter how hard I tried to get along with them, there was a huge "personality clash" that made it impossible. I have had no problems at all with jordandog's posts---I'm not saying I always have agreed 100% with them but for the most part they have been very well thought out and insightful. There were even a couple of times that she posted things that I had wanted to post but she beat me to it and found a much better way to put things. (One of those responses was one where she had noticed the "meaness" from the "Christian side" and I don't know why that didn't seem to bother any other Christians but me and one other... what an un-believer notices---they don't forget. ) I also feel the same about Annella's posts but for some reason when jordandog & Annella start addressing each other, things seem to get taken the "wrong" way and sparks start flying. I think it's just a "personality clash" or a mis-communication problem ...you both are GREAT people but not everyone can get along fantastically. I really don't think jordandog has ever meant to exhibit bad behaviour toward Christians "because they are Christian", I can't say that I've noticed her doing so anywhere on the FC forum.
Sheryl, thank you for this. I was feeling like I had pounded my head into a wall one too many times last night after I got off here. If something hurts, we are supposed to just stop doing it, right? ;) I guess I haven't learned that lesson and probably never will - in other words, I will continue posting when I feel it is necessary. I am far from innocent and as much as I hate to admit it, Annella saying I 'tried to make myself appear like I was' really bothered me. That is in NO way a slight to you, Annella, if you read this. I know I am vehement about things I believe in and I can be very rude and offputting at times when I stand for those things. It is not an excuse, but sometimes the tensions, frustrations, and feelings of total ineptness that come from seeing people die/dying every single day gets to me. That results in me defending groups who are slighted (because I have NO tolerance for it) and being disgusted over how much time is spent worrying about things that are absolutely NOT important in the big scheme of life. This post from you brought me back to an even keel and for that I thank you! I am not evil, I wish no harm to anyone, and I don't hate people, though I many times hate their actions. That is a fine line to walk as far as putting words down that don't come across as aimed at the person, but instead, aimed at how they act and that is when I get myself into trouble - every single time. I appreciate what you said here: I really don't think jordandog has ever meant to exhibit bad behaviour toward Christians "because they are Christian", I can't say that I've noticed her doing so anywhere on the FC forum."
My posts are NOT written specifically with 'they are christian/religious' so I am going to blast them, regardless of whether they might be right. That is just not how I think or operate. I base my replies on things I believe and perceive as incorrect and/or hurtful to another person or group of people - religion has nothing to do with it. Again, thank you.
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Walks,
I just want to acknowledge what you said about yourself and the A.O.L. I have no words for you, I'm sure you have heard just about all there is to hear and have wanted to punch a few for opening their mouths and saying all the stupid "It could be worse. Oh, I know so and so and this is what THEY went through...blah, blah, blah." Just know you are in my thoughts. Keep fighting the good fight.
jdog
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I had refused to post in here again, no matter what was said (and there were many times I wanted to chime in with my two cents), but now I'm eating my words.
I wanted to acknowledge what Walks said, and I wanted to say something about it. Then, I will never speak of it again out of respect, since I have a great amount of respect for Walks. Here is my statement: it sucks, but I do not feel sorry for you. I feel the ones deserving of pity are the ones who let the bad consume them, and no one could honestly say that about you. I honestly believe that until the day your heart stops beating, you'll be raising a commotion and awareness for your people and your beliefs, and I admire you for that. I could only hope for that strength myself. So, I toast you, my friend. L'Chaim! Don't let anyone or anything stop you. :thumbsup:
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Walksalone, all I can really say is hang in there (sounds like you are doing just that.) Please take this with a grain of salt if you so choose, but I have already prayed for you (for your strength and spirit.) Your people are very fortunate to have you standing up for them and with them - keep up the hard and wonderful work!
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Annella:
Since when do you control this forum? In other words, I should just sit back, and let you verbally tear down my friends, and yes...Christians, and say nothing.
I don't say, remotely consider, or think I control this forum, because I don't and I also do not care to, period. I am tired of you alone always jumping into every single thing I post and getting on your high horse about it. As for this:
This has been your complaint over and over. That we actually stick up for ourselves, and you don't like it.....too bad! You take one word and make a complete "throw down" over it, when you're so insulting to anyone who professes to be a Christian. Yeah, Christians, because those are the ones your so foul to.
I have no problem now and have had no problem in the past with other christians on this forum. You are the only one I seem to have a problem with and I stated why above. I believe there have been only a couple times when I have had any kind of discussion with mack personally and it really has not been as huge a deal as you make it out to be. Stick up for people all you want, but stop telling me THAT is what I don't like. DO NOT accuse me of being foul to ALL christians, because I am not. What I don't like is how you approach things. You may be the nicest person in the world, but not on this forum and this is where I interact with you. I'm sorry if I don't have you up on a pedestal and I am not afraid of offending you if need be. If other people on here, who happen to be christian, feel I have insulted or been so foul to them on a continuing basis then let THEM speak up about it and stop speaking for everyone else. You are the one I keep hearing this from. Where are the rest of these posters I have been so awful to? Why aren't they voicing the same things you do time after time? You might do well to stop being the teacher for a minute and start being the pupil because I don't seem to have these go arounds with anyone but you. I have mentioned before you might do yourself a favor and learn how to approach someone who doesn't have the same beliefs you do because you are so close-minded you can't seem to get past that. Don't excuse your own rudeness and scathing remarks in the name of christianity - they are wrong whether you are a christian or not.
Goodnight all.
My rude and scathing remarks as you put it are not anything of the kind. What I post is complete truth, and point out your ability to play the innocent when you are anything but. Anybody who reads these posts can come to the conclusion that I'm coming to the defense of a friend, or discounting your posts as garbled nonsense, and you try to put other meanings and words to Mackenzie's post, when she had no thought or intent to post such a thing. Your very good at this, and then playing innocent.
I have no problem approaching people with no beliefs or adverse beliefs in the world. I don't think you would talk to me the way you do in real life, because believe me, you would get the same response, as you get here. If you came into my church spouting this kind of stuff, you would be shown the door. Surprised? You shouldn't be. I would no more have you come into the congregation of believers and wreck havoc than I would anyone. Remember, the Shepherd protects the sheep.
There are times when someone out of their ignorance may offend in word or deed because they know no better. That's completely different than what your doing. That isn't the case with you, is it? You go out of your way to degrade anything to do with any belief in God or profess Christianity. You claim to have been a Christain yourself, and now your not. That was your own decision, but now it seems your out to subvert anyone else that professes Christianity, etc. NO, I'm not the only one you have spewed your discontent on. I'm the one who calls you on your garbage more than the others. Case in point....Mackenzie above, and she hasn't been on this forum that long.
However, lately, you have made it a point to come after me time after time on this forum. Anyone can read the posts for themselves and come to their own conclusions. Thing is, I'm not backing down from you anymore, and you don't like it. As far as telling me that I should be a pupil, I'm a pupil everyday, so is every Christian. You try your best to descredit my stand for God, and all it does is pull the cover off of what is in your own heart, and what's driving you.
It's sad. :( However, it's not to late for anyone to find the road back to life, and the God who loves them more than they can ever imagine. The Bible says that God is married to the backslider. Even though we may have left Him, He never leaves us....though we have a time appointed unto us for this decision.
Thank you Annella, you are much appreciated!
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Thank you Mackenzie. Your a true friend, and your heart is not clouded. The Word says that our soul would know those of like precious Faith. I knew your spirit from day one. May God richly bless you. :heart:
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Thank you Mackenzie. Your a true friend, and your heart is not clouded. The Word says that our soul would know those of like precious Faith. I knew your spirit from day one. May God richly bless you. :heart:
That means a lot :) I only hope to be as strong in my faith as you one day.
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My two cents for what it's worth: I've had to work with people at various jobs where no matter how hard I tried to get along with them, there was a huge "personality clash" that made it impossible. I have had no problems at all with jordandog's posts---I'm not saying I always have agreed 100% with them but for the most part they have been very well thought out and insightful. There were even a couple of times that she posted things that I had wanted to post but she beat me to it and found a much better way to put things. (One of those responses was one where she had noticed the "meaness" from the "Christian side" and I don't know why that didn't seem to bother any other Christians but me and one other... what an un-believer notices---they don't forget. ) I also feel the same about Annella's posts but for some reason when jordandog & Annella start addressing each other, things seem to get taken the "wrong" way and sparks start flying. I think it's just a "personality clash" or a mis-communication problem ...you both are GREAT people but not everyone can get along fantastically. I really don't think jordandog has ever meant to exhibit bad behaviour toward Christians "because they are Christian", I can't say that I've noticed her doing so anywhere on the FC forum.
I disagree, but your entitled to your opinion.
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hello, I'm new here :angel12:
I do not know WTH happen here lol
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Just caught up on this thread. A lot has happened apparently since I have last been on.
Walks, thank you for sharing those personal things about yourself. You didn't have to but knowing something personal about a person who is faceless and far away, connects us even when we don't know each other. You're in my prayers that God give you strength but that He also give you peace. He doesn't want us to walk around with a chip, He wants us to be happy right? And it is possible to be happy even amidst adversity. I know we have different beliefs, but I can't imagine that the one you call "Creator" and the one I call "Creator" are different in that regard. :)
As for jordandog and Annella....I think I see what Sheryl is saying. I personally have never felt attacked by jordandog, I have felt her frustration in replying to something I said that she really disagreed with (homosexuality=sin for example), I have felt she took something I said the wrong way, but I never felt attacked.
In the beginning, when Annella first came on the forum...both of you clashed and both of you admitted several times that you may be taking things the wrong way. It has just climaxed to the point where, the majority of what the other says seems to strike sparks. I don't know.
Maybe you can start over? Forget past posts and start fresh? Am I naive in thinking yall could do that? :dontknow: :)
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Sometimes there is no "stilling the waters" with two opposing sides. Forgiveness can be applied in any situation, but that doesn't mean you must put yourself in another vulnerable position, or place yourself right back in the line of fire. I've tried to make peace many times only to have it mocked, thrown back in my face, or called false/fraud. While others may not agree with what you believe or hold dear, there's no reason to verbally shred them.
I've had words weighed and picked apart, and then skewered with them, when I haven't said anything different than any other Christian on this forum. Only thing is, I won't ride the fence or say something is okay when it clearly is not. How easy forgotten all the previous posts that have led to this point.
The winds of compromise are not something I adhere to when it comes to the Word of God, or my Faith. It's natural to find opposition when there are totally 2 different sides of thought. The Bible clearly points out that there is no fellowship in a case such as that. If your asking me to compromise my beliefs, it isn't going to happen.
I don't appreciate being cussed out, called a *bleep*, my belief mocked, negative titles, etc., so excuse me while I try to remove the knife from my back. It didn't come from my side of the fence.
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Your right Marieelissa. It's good to be reminded.
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Annella, I sent you an email.
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Does anyone know....was there a thread before this one that made this one happen? (The title of this thread is "what happened in here"---DID something happen in another thread that prompted this one?) ?????
Many.
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Well you could get the opportunity to! Hi Hello! How are you?
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Sometimes there is no "stilling the waters" with two opposing sides. Forgiveness can be applied in any situation, but that doesn't mean you must put yourself in another vulnerable position, or place yourself right back in the line of fire. I've tried to make peace many times only to have it mocked, thrown back in my face, or called false/fraud. While others may not agree with what you believe or hold dear, there's no reason to verbally shred them.
I've had words weighed and picked apart, and then skewered with them, when I haven't said anything different than any other Christian on this forum. Only thing is, I won't ride the fence or say something is okay when it clearly is not. How easy forgotten all the previous posts that have led to this point.
The winds of compromise are not something I adhere to when it comes to the Word of God, or my Faith. It's natural to find opposition when there are totally 2 different sides of thought. The Bible clearly points out that there is no fellowship in a case such as that. If your asking me to compromise my beliefs, it isn't going to happen.
I don't appreciate being cussed out, called a *bleep*, my belief mocked, negative titles, etc., so excuse me while I try to remove the knife from my back. It didn't come from my side of the fence.
Annella, you are so right with what you are saying. There's been a lot of name calling of you in here by a few that I really don't understand where the strong undercurrents and animosity are coming from. Hang in there and remember: For each one name calling, you have a supporter. I don't understand what is going on in their heads, but I do feel it has gone too far.
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Walksalone, all I can really say is hang in there (sounds like you are doing just that.) Please take this with a grain of salt if you so choose, but I have already prayed for you (for your strength and spirit.) Your people are very fortunate to have you standing up for them and with them - keep up the hard and wonderful work!
I would like to add a postscript here by saying that even though I posted the above quote, it doesn't mean that I support the animosity you have toward Annella. You are dealing with a lot, but it shouldn't be an excuse to treat someone on these forums with cursing. Also, a Christian can be goaded only so much before coming back in defense in righteous anger. She could have cursed back at you, but she did not. And not just you - there are others that have been goading her as well. She is defending her stance as a Christian leader, and has not deserved to be backed into a corner, so to speak. I support her standing up for herself and for her/my Lord.
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Jcribb, your words are healing balm. All of earth's gold would not be enough to proclaim your worth in the Kingdom.
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Walksalone, all I can really say is hang in there (sounds like you are doing just that.) Please take this with a grain of salt if you so choose, but I have already prayed for you (for your strength and spirit.) Your people are very fortunate to have you standing up for them and with them - keep up the hard and wonderful work!
I would like to add a postscript here by saying that even though I posted the above quote, it doesn't mean that I support the animosity you have toward Annella. You are dealing with a lot, but it shouldn't be an excuse to treat someone on these forums with cursing. Also, a Christian can be goaded only so much before coming back in defense in righteous anger. She could have cursed back at you, but she did not. And not just you - there are others that have been goading her as well. She is defending her stance as a Christian leader, and has not deserved to be backed into a corner, so to speak. I support her standing up for herself and for her/my Lord.
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Does anyone know....was there a thread before this one that made this one happen? (The title of this thread is "what happened in here"---DID something happen in another thread that prompted this one?) ?????
Yes, there was one particular thread that led to this one being started by Walks. It is 15 pages long, has 215 replies (minus any deleted ones), and I posted 4 times in it toward the middle. It is back on page 6 of D&D topics. There is a lot of 'nastiness' in it from many who posted throughout the entire thread, but yet, I am the ultimate bad guy as always.
Resentments are like drinking poison and then waiting for the OTHER person to die.
"Another god-related topic"
http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=19850.0
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No........there is more than one thread. The quickest way is to pull up people's posts and read them, instead of going through the various threads. It's easier to get a good idea what's being addressed, and then if you want to, you can pull up the whole thread from there.
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The question asked by Sheryl was if there was a thread that made THIS one happen. That is what I answered and the thread I referenced is exactly the one that prompted this. It can be seen by Walks referencing the "pearls and swine" comments (made in the other one) between you, Annella, and QON. It is on page one of this thread and was posted on the same day the other thread received it's last reply:
Re: WTH happened in here?
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Alright now!!! Y'all watch calling each other swine an such in here.....JC might put you in time out!
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I was answering Sheryl's question. Nothing more and nothing less.
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All I was saying is that there are MANY threads where you, qon, and Walksalone have had conversations where we did not agree. All of those threads have led up to this one. This thread is not unique by a long shot as there are numerous threads with the same content of downgrading, cussing, calling names, goading, etc. Get your facts straight because I never called anyone a swine. Go back and read the thread.
People can still read both of our posts and get a good idea what's been going on from the beginning. However, you really stepped it up after I came back from the Philippines. Unless you've gone back and deleted some of your posts? I've actually saved, and printed off every one of such threads.
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I use them for study materials. Our young people are pretty sheltered and I want them to see what they are up against in some circles. I use a lot of different material for preaching/teaching. It's life.
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I use them for study materials. Our young people are pretty sheltered and I want them to see what they are up against in some circles.
You print our threads and pass them out to strangers? That's creepy. I wouldn't put it beneath you that you edit them beforehand just so you can butter up your side. :angry7:
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There are countless members on this forum who are complete strangers to you. They read the posts, they look at your profile, why is it creepy to print the conversations and show to other people? I have printed stuff from here to show my pastor to ask him questions and his thoughts about my answers or others statements. He might be a stranger to you, but he isn't to me.
This is a public forum, what you post is not confidential, and more people read what you say than respond to you. So again...what's the big deal?
Oh and I didn't edit anything because I have more integrity than that. But I'm a stranger so I guess you wouldn't know that.
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qon posted:
You print our threads and pass them out to strangers? That's creepy. I wouldn't put it beneath you that you edit them beforehand just so you can butter up your side.
Of course not. Why would I change what I wrote? It's reference just like anything else. It makes good fodder for teaching what actually goes on in the real world.
Your comments are especially funny to my group of young people. One night they stood over my shoulder during one of my sessions online here. We laughed until we cried. There are people that can come on here as a guest (non members) and access the forum. If you don't want your comments "out there", then why do you post on a public forum? There's no copyright on the material. Unless of course your lying about what you believe or your falsifying what you actually write about.
There are many people who are not how they portray themselves as being online. However, if you don't lie or falsify what you are, or appear to be, then you shouldn't be worried what you say or write.
I have printed off the debates between you and Sherene about evolution, etc. Her research and understanding is much more in depth than mine. I use her postings to actually "teach" on the subject, and others. Everyone likes her, and thinks she's one of the smartest people on here. They're right.
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Thank you Annella. :)
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It's true....you have already done the research for me.....lol I use a lot of your stuff to teach. I'm going to have to start paying you.....lol :thumbsup:
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Although that would be nice, other people did the research for me lol. But refer anyone and everyone to godandscience.org, it has a lot of good info and it makes the devil mad lol ;)
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Although that would be nice, other people did the research for me lol. But refer anyone and everyone to godandscience.org, it has a lot of good info and it makes the devil mad lol ;)
Yup!!
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There are countless members on this forum who are complete strangers to you. They read the posts, they look at your profile, why is it creepy to print the conversations and show to other people? I have printed stuff from here to show my pastor to ask him questions and his thoughts about my answers or others statements. He might be a stranger to you, but he isn't to me.
This is a public forum, what you post is not confidential, and more people read what you say than respond to you. So again...what's the big deal?
Oh and I didn't edit anything because I have more integrity than that. But I'm a stranger so I guess you wouldn't know that.
Great point! Actually, there is no telling what people do with these posts. After all, there is a button for "Save as Draft."
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I'm thinking of making a play using some of these threads.....who knows, I might even win an Oscar for best screen play. I'm going to title it: "The Forum Papers". Has a nice ring, dontcha think? I think I'll cast it as a dark comedy with a little bit of satire interspersed.
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:cat: Let me know when auditions are! It would definitely make for an interesting play! There are people who make these kinds of things up to use as sketches in churches, but right in here you have the perfect settings/dialogue!!!!
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Hello Everyone, How are you guys doing? :wave: Have a wonderful evening :peace:
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:cat: Let me know when auditions are! It would definitely make for an interesting play! There are people who make these kinds of things up to use as sketches in churches, but right in here you have the perfect settings/dialogue!!!!
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Hello Anella :wave: Good night :angel11:
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Welcome, and goodnight. Hope you are finding everything you need around this site. If there's anything any of us can do to help.....just ask. Lord bless you.
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I'm thinking of making a play using some of these threads.....who knows, I might even win an Oscar for best screen play. I'm going to title it: "The Forum Papers". Has a nice ring, dontcha think? I think I'll cast it as a dark comedy with a little bit of satire interspersed.
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I use them for study materials. Our young people are pretty sheltered and I want them to see what they are up against in some circles.
You print our threads and pass them out to strangers? That's creepy. I wouldn't put it beneath you that you edit them beforehand just so you can butter up your side. :angry7:
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I use them for study materials. Our young people are pretty sheltered and I want them to see what they are up against in some circles.
You print our threads and pass them out to strangers? That's creepy. I wouldn't put it beneath you that you edit them beforehand just so you can butter up your side. :angry7:
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Bwahahahaha That's my response to that implication.
Hey Mackenzie, how you be? Hope college is going good brainiac! :heart:
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I use them for study materials. Our young people are pretty sheltered and I want them to see what they are up against in some circles.
You print our threads and pass them out to strangers? That's creepy. I wouldn't put it beneath you that you edit them beforehand just so you can butter up your side. :angry7:
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Bwahahahaha That's my response to that implication.
Hey Mackenzie, how you be? Hope college is going good brainiac! :heart:
Haha I'm good, just busy busy!!! Lots of homework, ready for the weekend to catch up on it all and have some fun!
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Do I know any of you people?
Haven't seen you for a while either. You're one of the ones that make me want to respond or vent. Maybe it has something to do with intelligence. Or maybe it has something to do w/the outcome of the elections recently. I didn't know there were so many STUPID AMERICANS. It's the end of the world as we know it....Sighhhhhh. I haven't heard from falcon either & the one falcon dubs the crazy troll. I miss their crazy banter. I guess there are too many Newbies & they haven't gotten mean & hateful yet to be interesting. Don't worry, it won't take long....he... he... he...he ... Anyway, great to know your still kicking. :wave:
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Do I know any of you people?
Haven't seen you for a while either. You're one of the ones that make me want to respond or vent. Maybe it has something to do with intelligence. Or maybe it has something to do w/the outcome of the elections recently. I didn't know there were so many STUPID AMERICANS. It's the end of the world as we know it....Sighhhhhh. I haven't heard from falcon either & the one falcon dubs the crazy troll. I miss their crazy banter. I guess there are too many Newbies & they haven't gotten mean & hateful yet to be interesting. Don't worry, it won't take long....he... he... he...he ... Anyway, great to know your still kicking. :wave:
Sighhhhhh, Never mind walksalone, I've just seen the rest of the blog/treads as usual same old junk. I think I'm going to go off & manipulate the newbies to turn them to my will.....TO TURN THEM TO THE DARK SIDE OF THE FORCE....Ha...Ha....Ha....HA.....Sigh, I'm sooooo bored....(If I could kick into Hell I would!)---->Meatloaf Bat out Hell 3
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(Thanks for answering my question jordandog, that was what I was wanting to know.) So now I have more random questions for anyone.... This thread was started by walks, if his previous postings were so degrading to christians then why even join him here on THIS thread? "downgrading, cussing, calling names, goading" by non-believers to christians HAPPENS, it happens on forums and it happens in REAL LIFE---it ALWAYS will and alot of times I think it's because christians "bring it on" by their "baiting, egging it on, keeping it going, insulting un-believers intelligence, by judgmental & superior attitude, and yes GOADING". If not, they would simply quit wasting their time and walk away. It doesn't seem like a wise choice to me for a Christian to keep going back when they know more WILL follow. I've had Christian friends check out FC and they wanted nothing to do with FC at all period once they saw the forum. They've asked me how I can be a Christian and post here because they don't believe it's a place where a Christian should be "wasting their time", or the comment "NO good Christian I know would have anything to do with this", and they've said alot worse so obviously they weren't impressed at all with ANY of the Christians on here. I have started threads that were Christian-based, NONE of the non-believers went to that thread and caused any trouble---so I don't know why a christian would "park" on their threads and attack them. :peace: Just something to think about.
To my experience when a Christian thread has been started here a select few atheists are quick to join in and begin degrading the belief. I have not seen anyone on here trying to convert someone to Christianity or trying to bash atheism, but I have seen plenty of others bash Christiany and try to convert Christians to atheism. The double standard is ridiculous...but I digress. A Christian thread has not been started on this forum since I've been here without it being overloaded with nonbelievers, and for the most part they don't want to debate or discuss they want to DEGRADE AND ATTACK.
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(Thanks for answering my question jordandog, that was what I was wanting to know.) So now I have more random questions for anyone.... This thread was started by walks, if his previous postings were so degrading to christians then why even join him here on THIS thread? "downgrading, cussing, calling names, goading" by non-believers to christians HAPPENS, it happens on forums and it happens in REAL LIFE---it ALWAYS will and alot of times I think it's because christians "bring it on" by their "baiting, egging it on, keeping it going, insulting un-believers intelligence, by judgmental & superior attitude, and yes GOADING". If not, they would simply quit wasting their time and walk away. It doesn't seem like a wise choice to me for a Christian to keep going back when they know more WILL follow. I've had Christian friends check out FC and they wanted nothing to do with FC at all period once they saw the forum. They've asked me how I can be a Christian and post here because they don't believe it's a place where a Christian should be "wasting their time", or the comment "NO good Christian I know would have anything to do with this", and they've said alot worse so obviously they weren't impressed at all with ANY of the Christians on here. I have started threads that were Christian-based, NONE of the non-believers went to that thread and caused any trouble---so I don't know why a christian would "park" on their threads and attack them. :peace: Just something to think about.
Christians bring it on??? Christians are "baiting the unbelievers, and egging it on??? Insulting their intelligence with our judgmental and superior attitude??? We attacked them??? The Christians are goading the unbelievers???
Do you have blinders on, or do you actually believe what your accusing Christians in your post? If you don't think it's a good place for Christians.....and believe we're wasting our time, why are YOU here then?
Just which F/C forum did your Christian friends check out? There are more parts to this forum besides D&D. Also, I've seen a lot of the nonbelievers go over to Off-Topic, etc, and post. D&D is "enter at your own risk". If your friends don't want to post here, there's plenty of other threads to post in. So that little "jab" doesn't fly.
Now, not that I have to answer to you, but when my friends are being verbally shredded or being backed in a corner with verbal abuse, I will come to their defense. I don't care who started the thread. Also, I don't feel it's a waste of time to stand up and defend the Gospel, Jesus Christ, the Bible, OR our walk with God. Not one Christian on this forum has started ANYTHING! Or instigated an altercation against unbelievers.....EVER Our posts are in answer to theirs.
Your rebuke is uncalled for. There's no substance to your accusations to believers/Christians on this forum. In fact, you insulted us. Thank you very much. :angry7:
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(Thanks for answering my question jordandog, that was what I was wanting to know.) So now I have more random questions for anyone.... This thread was started by walks, if his previous postings were so degrading to christians then why even join him here on THIS thread? "downgrading, cussing, calling names, goading" by non-believers to christians HAPPENS, it happens on forums and it happens in REAL LIFE---it ALWAYS will and alot of times I think it's because christians "bring it on" by their "baiting, egging it on, keeping it going, insulting un-believers intelligence, by judgmental & superior attitude, and yes GOADING". If not, they would simply quit wasting their time and walk away. It doesn't seem like a wise choice to me for a Christian to keep going back when they know more WILL follow. I've had Christian friends check out FC and they wanted nothing to do with FC at all period once they saw the forum. They've asked me how I can be a Christian and post here because they don't believe it's a place where a Christian should be "wasting their time", or the comment "NO good Christian I know would have anything to do with this", and they've said alot worse so obviously they weren't impressed at all with ANY of the Christians on here. I have started threads that were Christian-based, NONE of the non-believers went to that thread and caused any trouble---so I don't know why a christian would "park" on their threads and attack them. :peace: Just something to think about.
To my experience when a Christian thread has been started here a select few atheists are quick to join in and begin degrading the belief. I have not seen anyone on here trying to convert someone to Christianity or trying to bash atheism, but I have seen plenty of others bash Christiany and try to convert Christians to atheism. The double standard is ridiculous...but I digress. A Christian thread has not been started on this forum since I've been here without it being overloaded with nonbelievers, and for the most part they don't want to debate or discuss they want to DEGRADE AND ATTACK.
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All I was saying is that there are MANY threads where you, qon, and Walksalone have had conversations where we did not agree. All of those threads have led up to this one. This thread is not unique by a long shot as there are numerous threads with the same content of downgrading, cussing, calling names, goading, etc. Get your facts straight because I never called anyone a swine. Go back and read the thread.
People can still read both of our posts and get a good idea what's been going on from the beginning. However, you really stepped it up after I came back from the Philippines. Unless you've gone back and deleted some of your posts? I've actually saved, and printed off every one of such threads.
Get your facts straight because I never called anyone a swine.
Just who are you telling to get their facts straight? Me?! The remark about the swine (*below) was made by Walks, so do NOT tell me to get my facts straight, I was posting a direct quote. I don't need to go back and read the thread - I am the one who remembered it right off the bat without even thinking about it. Like I said, I have around 4 posts in it because I wanted nothing to do with what it turned into. You however are throughout the entire thread, so don't blame me for it and what it led to.
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Alright now!!! Y'all watch calling each other swine an such in here.....JC might put you in time out!
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Unless you've gone back and deleted some of your posts?
Seriously? You have a lot of nerve Annella to even remotely suggest that. I have never deleted a post on here and never will. You think I am not going to stand behind what I write? You have them all printed, so go and check off each one on your list against my post history if you are that obsessed with this.
I'll repeat myself one more time. Sheryl asked about a specific thread leading to this one. There may be a million other ones, but THIS one was the answer to THAT question.
You might want to rethink who is going to look the fool when comparing our posts against each other. Seems to me you are the one who has done the majority of stirring things up with everyone, not just me. You seem to have a huge amount of paranoia and feelings of being persecuted around here. You might want to take a serious look at where that is coming from because if you are strong enough in your beliefs, you really should NOT be bothering with the petty nitpicking and making implications that hold no water. It seems every post has some underlying meaning to you. You see an 'anti-christian' message in just about all of them and that's a problem.
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All I was saying is that there are MANY threads where you, qon, and Walksalone have had conversations where we did not agree. All of those threads have led up to this one. This thread is not unique by a long shot as there are numerous threads with the same content of downgrading, cussing, calling names, goading, etc. Get your facts straight because I never called anyone a swine. Go back and read the thread.
People can still read both of our posts and get a good idea what's been going on from the beginning. However, you really stepped it up after I came back from the Philippines. Unless you've gone back and deleted some of your posts? I've actually saved, and printed off every one of such threads.
Get your facts straight because I never called anyone a swine.
Just who are you telling to get their facts straight? Me?! The remark about the swine (*below) was made by Walks, so do NOT tell me to get my facts straight, I was posting a direct quote. I don't need to go back and read the thread - I am the one who remembered it right off the bat without even thinking about it. Like I said, I have around 4 posts in it because I wanted nothing to do with what it turned into. You however are throughout the entire thread, so don't blame me for it and what it led to.
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Alright now!!! Y'all watch calling each other swine an such in here.....JC might put you in time out!
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Unless you've gone back and deleted some of your posts?
Seriously? You have a lot of nerve Annella to even remotely suggest that. I have never deleted a post on here and never will. You think I am not going to stand behind what I write? You have them all printed, so go and check off each one on your list against my post history if you are that obsessed with this.
I'll repeat myself one more time. Sheryl asked about a specific thread leading to this one. There may be a million other ones, but THIS one was the answer to THAT question.
You might want to rethink who is going to look the fool when comparing our posts against each other. Seems to me you are the one who has done the majority of stirring things up with everyone, not just me. You seem to have a huge amount of paranoia and feelings of being persecuted around here. You might want to take a serious look at where that is coming from because if you are strong enough in your beliefs, you really should NOT be bothering with the petty nitpicking and making implications that hold no water. It seems every post has some underlying meaning to you. You see an 'anti-christian' message in just about all of them and that's a problem.
I'll repeat MYSELF one more time so pay attention. All I was saying is that there are more threads than this one, or the one you are referring to, that you and I have butt heads. In fact, we don't agree on anything.....and never have. You have made it real plain that you don't believe in God or the Bible. Since my life is centered around God and the Bible, we will NEVER agree.
Oh, you think I'll look the fool? Well, I challenge anyone who wants to go back, and read our posts, and then put them together, make up their own mind, and who is stirring up what. Obsession (as you put it) has nothing to do with it. Truth is truth, and no implications of any kind have been made by me at all. This is your same "oh I'm so innocent, and your misunderstanding what was written, blah blah blah".
I'll answer any post I want to if I deem it necessary. No insults thrown out about my posting as petty or whatever is going to stop me. Frankly, your the last person I need to provide any explanation to about how and what I post. I don't really give a rip if you like it or not.
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There are countless members on this forum who are complete strangers to you. They read the posts, they look at your profile, why is it creepy to print the conversations and show to other people?
It is more weird than creepy. I'm surprised that what some random people say on a $3/mo. forum would matter enough for people to actually take the time to print it out and do anything with it. I'm aware that anyone can read it...it is actually good for people searching on search engines, perhaps they'll learn something. But sorry, I just don't trust Annella not to manipulate what has been said on here in her favor, as evidenced by her childish reaction to my saying it is weird/creepy.
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Why would I change what I wrote?
Oh heavens no, of course not what YOU wrote!
Your comments are especially funny to my group of young people. One night they stood over my shoulder during one of my sessions online here. We laughed until we cried.
You're a really bad liar, you know. This is a classic tactic of a person fabricating events. Young people stood over your shoulder while you visited a forum? Are you a Catholic priest or something? It's not that "my feelings" are hurt or anything, it's just this *bleep* is not believable. If it really did happen, well...they are not too bright.
I use her postings to actually "teach" on the subject, and others.
So copy-pasting from bogus, unscientific sites wins the intelligence award in your book? Okay then. ::)
Everyone likes her, and thinks she's one of the smartest people on here. They're right.
Are you falsifying who you are on here? Because you sound like you're 6, not 60. "She's so smart and you're not!!"...come on now, that is extremely sad coming from an old woman. I'm decades younger than you and am more mature.
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Christians bring it on??? Christians are "baiting the unbelievers, and egging it on??? Insulting their intelligence with our judgmental and superior attitude??? We attacked them??? The Christians are goading the unbelievers???
Watch out, Sheryl. Just because you're a believer, if you disagree with Annella, she'll bite your *bleep* head off.
Do you have blinders on, or do you actually believe what your accusing Christians in your post? If you don't think it's a good place for Christians.....and believe we're wasting our time, why are YOU here then?
Wow, in her few short months here, Annella has just continued to take a downward spiral into being more and more of a *bleep*.
Your rebuke is uncalled for. There's no substance to your accusations to believers/Christians on this forum. In fact, you insulted us. Thank you very much. :angry7:
Boo hoo?
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There are countless members on this forum who are complete strangers to you. They read the posts, they look at your profile, why is it creepy to print the conversations and show to other people?
It is more weird than creepy. forum would matter enough for people to actually take the time to print it out and do anything with it. I'm aware that anyone can read it...it is actually good for people searching on search engines, perhaps they'll learn something. But sorry, I just don't trust Annella not to manipulate what has been said on here in her favor, as evidenced by her childish reaction to my saying it is weird/creepy.
Well, I could care less if you trust me, only that God can trust me. I would never manipulate anything because that would be lying. Every word is verbatim. What childish reaction would that be? That I print postings off and use them as study materials? Actually, I get my material from a hugh variety of sources. The postings here are just one of them.
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I'm surprised that what some random people say on a $3/mo.
Are you talking about yourself here?
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Christians bring it on??? Christians are "baiting the unbelievers, and egging it on??? Insulting their intelligence with our judgmental and superior attitude??? We attacked them??? The Christians are goading the unbelievers???
Watch out, Sheryl. Just because you're a believer, if you disagree with Annella, she'll bite your *bleep* head off.
Do you have blinders on, or do you actually believe what your accusing Christians in your post? If you don't think it's a good place for Christians.....and believe we're wasting our time, why are YOU here then?
Wow, in her few short months here, Annella has just continued to take a downward spiral into being more and more of a *bleep*.
Your rebuke is uncalled for. There's no substance to your accusations to believers/Christians on this forum. In fact, you insulted us. Thank you very much. :angry7:
Boo hoo?
Anytime someone resorts to name calling or cursing, they have nothing intelligent to contribute. Call me a liar, I don't have to prove one thing to you Ms. know it all.
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What childish reaction would that be?
Claiming that people laugh specifically at my posts, saying "bwahaha", etc.
Are you talking about yourself here?
Yes, yes I am. I may get frustrated with some people and "sound superior" sometimes, but I know I am just a person you will probably never meet. It's your choice to take anything I have to say into consideration, or not. Only YOU have the power to let go of your superstitions...all I can do is challenge you. If you truly wanted to be honest with your students, you would be using materials from people who make careers out of this stuff (Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins).
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What childish reaction would that be?
Claiming that people laugh specifically at my posts, saying "bwahaha", etc.
Are you talking about yourself here?
Yes, yes I am. I may get frustrated with some people and "sound superior" sometimes, but I know I am just a person you will probably never meet. It's your choice to take anything I have to say into consideration, or not. Only YOU have the power to let go of your superstitions...all I can do is challenge you. If you truly wanted to be honest with your students, you would be using materials from people who make careers out of this stuff (Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins).
Now if I taught that drivel, I would be lying to my students. You don't sound superior, you sound like a sailor, and nothing like a lady.
Yes, they do laugh at your posts and how "out there" you are. They also laugh at some things others write too. Nobody knows who you are, your real name, or what state you even live in.
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So copy-pasting from bogus, unscientific sites wins the intelligence award in your book? Okay then
You know have made many implications in your statements to me and others about my intelligence or lack of it. So, I'm just going to ask you straight out. Do you think I am unintelligent?
If your answer is yes, what do you base this from? Merely my religious beliefs, or have I just somehow made myself look like a moron somewhere in here?
If the answer is no, then I would really appreciate if you would stop implying otherwise. Thank you.
And for anyone else who is interested, queen is referring to a website I refer to most often called godandscience.org, which is created by a scientist who happens to be a Christian.
Richard Deem earned his bachelor of science degree in biological sciences at the University of Southern California. He received his master of science degree in microbiology from California State University, Los Angeles, and has been working in basic science research since 1976. He has authored and co-authored a number of studies......... In addition, he has presented his work at a number of national and international scientific meetings.
He also references and links to other articles by other scientists writing about why evolution and atheism is wrong.
It is only deemed unscientific by those who refuse to open their eyes to the possibility they are wrong, so if they can say it isn't science, they feel justified in ignoring the information.
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All I was saying is that there are MANY threads where you, qon, and Walksalone have had conversations where we did not agree. All of those threads have led up to this one. This thread is not unique by a long shot as there are numerous threads with the same content of downgrading, cussing, calling names, goading, etc. Get your facts straight because I never called anyone a swine. Go back and read the thread.
People can still read both of our posts and get a good idea what's been going on from the beginning. However, you really stepped it up after I came back from the Philippines. Unless you've gone back and deleted some of your posts? I've actually saved, and printed off every one of such threads.
Get your facts straight because I never called anyone a swine.
Just who are you telling to get their facts straight? Me?! The remark about the swine (*below) was made by Walks, so do NOT tell me to get my facts straight, I was posting a direct quote. I don't need to go back and read the thread - I am the one who remembered it right off the bat without even thinking about it. Like I said, I have around 4 posts in it because I wanted nothing to do with what it turned into. You however are throughout the entire thread, so don't blame me for it and what it led to.
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Alright now!!! Y'all watch calling each other swine an such in here.....JC might put you in time out!
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Unless you've gone back and deleted some of your posts?
Seriously? You have a lot of nerve Annella to even remotely suggest that. I have never deleted a post on here and never will. You think I am not going to stand behind what I write? You have them all printed, so go and check off each one on your list against my post history if you are that obsessed with this.
I'll repeat myself one more time. Sheryl asked about a specific thread leading to this one. There may be a million other ones, but THIS one was the answer to THAT question.
You might want to rethink who is going to look the fool when comparing our posts against each other. Seems to me you are the one who has done the majority of stirring things up with everyone, not just me. You seem to have a huge amount of paranoia and feelings of being persecuted around here. You might want to take a serious look at where that is coming from because if you are strong enough in your beliefs, you really should NOT be bothering with the petty nitpicking and making implications that hold no water. It seems every post has some underlying meaning to you. You see an 'anti-christian' message in just about all of them and that's a problem.
I'll repeat MYSELF one more time so pay attention. All I was saying is that there are more threads than this one, or the one you are referring to, that you and I have butt heads. In fact, we don't agree on anything.....and never have. You have made it real plain that you don't believe in God or the Bible. Since my life is centered around God and the Bible, we will NEVER agree.
Oh, you think I'll look the fool? Well, I challenge anyone who wants to go back, and read our posts, and then put them together, make up their own mind, and who is stirring up what. Obsession (as you put it) has nothing to do with it. Truth is truth, and no implications of any kind have been made by me at all. This is your same "oh I'm so innocent, and your misunderstanding what was written, blah blah blah".
I'll answer any post I want to if I deem it necessary. No insults thrown out about my posting as petty or whatever is going to stop me. Frankly, your the last person I need to provide any explanation to about how and what I post. I don't really give a rip if you like it or not.
I never said that there were NOT more threads because they are a LOT of them.
Why no answer as to you telling ME to get MY facts straight when you are the one who seems unable to?
Why no acknowleding of your implying I might have deleted posts?
Why can't you answer to these things, especially when you seem to jump in and answer direct questions I pose to others and not to you on a regular basis? Do you do this when you are in a room full of people - answer even when YOU were not asked the question or your views on something?
Sheryl writes a post you don't like and you jump her? She went outside the party lines and you don't like it? You also didn't like the 2 people who cut me some slack, tried to tell you they didn't see what you see, and were encouraging to me either did you? I was more than willing to leave things alone as far as you and I go until I saw that YOU were never going to alllow that to happen.
Do you actually read your words before you post them because I see an awful lot of editing going on long after your initial posts are put up here. I ask becuase you trying to play innocent in all this is absolutely ridiculous and based on fantasy. That is what Sheryl was trying to get across and you did not like that one iota - why? Again, she crossed the 'party line' and voiced what she feels (which she has every right to do) and you didn't like that, did you? Is there NO view but your's on here that is acceptable?
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Anytime someone resorts to name calling or cursing, they have nothing intelligent to contribute.
Aw, did I hurt your feelings by using a naughty word? Sorry, but I live in the real world where people are not afraid to use certain words for emphasis on occasion. You should put on your big girl panties rather than being self-righteous and skirting the issue, because there is nothing wrong with it. You have proved by your posts that a person can be perfectly vile without using an expletive.
I like Richard Dawkins...I don't hear him calling people names or any of the stuff atheists on this forum do..something to take into consideration.
You obviously haven't seen/read much of his stuff then. I can remember specifically when talking to a group of people at a lecture, he referred to those who deny evolution as unintelligent. Instead of being so afraid of being called an ill name, why don't you analyze the accusation and see if the person is right.
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Anytime someone resorts to name calling or cursing, they have nothing intelligent to contribute.
Aw, did I hurt your feelings by using a naughty word? Sorry, but I live in the real world where people are not afraid to use certain words for emphasis on occasion. You should put on your big girl panties rather than being self-righteous and skirting the issue, because there is nothing wrong with it. You have proved by your posts that a person can be perfectly vile without using an expletive.
I like Richard Dawkins...I don't hear him calling people names or any of the stuff atheists on this forum do..something to take into consideration.
You obviously haven't seen/read much of his stuff then. I can remember specifically when talking to a group of people at a lecture, he referred to those who deny evolution as unintelligent. Instead of being so afraid of being called an ill name, why don't you analyze the accusation and see if the person is right.
No feeling hurt, just pointing out that cussing and name calling went out with grade school. Now I'm vile? Wow, it just gets better and better with you....... lol
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You know have made many implications in your statements to me and others about my intelligence or lack of it. So, I'm just going to ask you straight out. Do you think I am unintelligent?
No, I don't think you're unintelligent, hon. I'm sorry if that offended you; I considered putting "no offense, Sherna" but didn't. You just have to understand that I think your sources contain a lot of brainwashing and many would not pass real-world, unbiased scrutiny. Also the fact that the god debate can be wholly handled from a logical perspective; it makes me sad that people pass right over the common sense aspect and assume that if someone says god can be proven scientifically, that's good enough for them. :(
My beef is entirely with Annella. She only treats Christians who agree with her with respect, everyone else be damned.
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All I was saying is that there are MANY threads where you, qon, and Walksalone have had conversations where we did not agree. All of those threads have led up to this one. This thread is not unique by a long shot as there are numerous threads with the same content of downgrading, cussing, calling names, goading, etc. Get your facts straight because I never called anyone a swine. Go back and read the thread.
People can still read both of our posts and get a good idea what's been going on from the beginning. However, you really stepped it up after I came back from the Philippines. Unless you've gone back and deleted some of your posts? I've actually saved, and printed off every one of such threads.
Get your facts straight because I never called anyone a swine.
Just who are you telling to get their facts straight? Me?! The remark about the swine (*below) was made by Walks, so do NOT tell me to get my facts straight, I was posting a direct quote. I don't need to go back and read the thread - I am the one who remembered it right off the bat without even thinking about it. Like I said, I have around 4 posts in it because I wanted nothing to do with what it turned into. You however are throughout the entire thread, so don't blame me for it and what it led to.
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Alright now!!! Y'all watch calling each other swine an such in here.....JC might put you in time out!
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Unless you've gone back and deleted some of your posts?
Seriously? You have a lot of nerve Annella to even remotely suggest that. I have never deleted a post on here and never will. You think I am not going to stand behind what I write? You have them all printed, so go and check off each one on your list against my post history if you are that obsessed with this.
I'll repeat myself one more time. Sheryl asked about a specific thread leading to this one. There may be a million other ones, but THIS one was the answer to THAT question.
You might want to rethink who is going to look the fool when comparing our posts against each other. Seems to me you are the one who has done the majority of stirring things up with everyone, not just me. You seem to have a huge amount of paranoia and feelings of being persecuted around here. You might want to take a serious look at where that is coming from because if you are strong enough in your beliefs, you really should NOT be bothering with the petty nitpicking and making implications that hold no water. It seems every post has some underlying meaning to you. You see an 'anti-christian' message in just about all of them and that's a problem.
I'll repeat MYSELF one more time so pay attention. All I was saying is that there are more threads than this one, or the one you are referring to, that you and I have butt heads. In fact, we don't agree on anything.....and never have. You have made it real plain that you don't believe in God or the Bible. Since my life is centered around God and the Bible, we will NEVER agree.
Oh, you think I'll look the fool? Well, I challenge anyone who wants to go back, and read our posts, and then put them together, make up their own mind, and who is stirring up what. Obsession (as you put it) has nothing to do with it. Truth is truth, and no implications of any kind have been made by me at all. This is your same "oh I'm so innocent, and your misunderstanding what was written, blah blah blah".
I'll answer any post I want to if I deem it necessary. No insults thrown out about my posting as petty or whatever is going to stop me. Frankly, your the last person I need to provide any explanation to about how and what I post. I don't really give a rip if you like it or not.
I never said that there were NOT more threads because they are a LOT of them.
Why no answer as to you telling ME to get MY facts straight when you are the one who seems unable to?
Why no acknowleding of your implying I might have deleted posts?
Why can't you answer to these things, especially when you seem to jump in and answer direct questions I pose to others and not to you on a regular basis? Do you do this when you are in a room full of people - answer even when YOU were not asked the question or your views on something?
Sheryl writes a post you don't like and you jump her? She went outside the party lines and you don't like it? You also didn't like the 2 people who cut me some slack, tried to tell you they didn't see what you see, and were encouraging to me either did you? I was more than willing to leave things alone as far as you and I go until I saw that YOU were never going to alllow that to happen.
Do you actually read your words before you post them because I see an awful lot of editing going on long after your initial posts are put up here. I ask becuase you trying to play innocent in all this is absolutely ridiculous and based on fantasy. That is what Sheryl was trying to get across and you did not like that one iota - why? Again, she crossed the 'party line' and voiced what she feels (which she has every right to do) and you didn't like that, did you? Is there NO view but your's on here that is acceptable?
I addressed Sheryl on some accusations that she lobbed at Christians that were actually what you unbelievers do. She had her facts completely wrong and I addressed it.
As far as deleting posts, I think some of our conversations were on Marieelissa's threads that she deleted. As far as I can tell from my printouts. Either that or they are hid somewhere and I can't find them. I found enough though.
If I edit my posts, it's for punctuation or vocabulary. However, what's wrong with editing, the option is there for anyone to use it.
Don't try and turn this around and say I play the innocent. I stand behind everything I post.
You were more than willing to let things go? What things? Lets face it, we are opposites and that's it. Never will change.
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You know have made many implications in your statements to me and others about my intelligence or lack of it. So, I'm just going to ask you straight out. Do you think I am unintelligent?
No, I don't think you're unintelligent, hon. I'm sorry if that offended you; I considered putting "no offense, Sherna" but didn't. You just have to understand that I think your sources contain a lot of brainwashing and many would not pass real-world, unbiased scrutiny. Also the fact that the god debate can be wholly handled from a logical perspective; it makes me sad that people pass right over the common sense aspect and assume that if someone says god can be proven scientifically, that's good enough for them. :(
My beef is entirely with Annella. She only treats Christians who agree with her with respect, everyone else be damned.
Okay, well I appreciate that you don't think I'm a walking dunce cap. So give me some credit at least because I have looked at your sources. I have taken the time to read the material on godisimaginary (I really don't think many on here who are Christian ever really did that) I watched your videos you linked to, I have looked up my own sources for the opposing sides. I have bought and read Richard Dawkins books and others. So I didn't just stumble across a website and think "Oh, well this sounds good enough for me."
I did research and I find the other side wanting. Just like in a courtroom trial, both sides presented evidence and I reached a verdict based on that evidence. You disagree, that's fine. But I didn't pass right over common sense. I think the definition of that would be, ignoring all opposition with hands over eyes and ears and saying......no you're wrong. That's willful ignorance and not common sense to me.
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You know have made many implications in your statements to me and others about my intelligence or lack of it. So, I'm just going to ask you straight out. Do you think I am unintelligent?
No, I don't think you're unintelligent, hon. I'm sorry if that offended you; I considered putting "no offense, Sherna" but didn't. You just have to understand that I think your sources contain a lot of brainwashing and many would not pass real-world, unbiased scrutiny. Also the fact that the god debate can be wholly handled from a logical perspective; it makes me sad that people pass right over the common sense aspect and assume that if someone says god can be proven scientifically, that's good enough for them. :(
My beef is entirely with Annella. She only treats Christians who agree with her with respect, everyone else be damned.
I tried treating all of you unbelievers with respect, and got mocked and demeaned for it. If you don't like the comeback, then change how you address me. Not all Christians agree either. If they have scripture wrong and/or trying to answer a question on here incorrectly, I will try and set the record straight.
Loyalty to your brothers and sisters is very important to me. You don't give the opposition power to use against a fellow Christian. Because of 2 postings yesterday, both you, and jordondog, have pounced upon, and used those postings against me today. When in all actuality I posted nothing but truth.
I don't have to answer to you, Sherene, jordondog, walks, Sheryl, or anyone. All I have to answer to is God. He's the one who weighs words and intents of the heart.
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Do I know any of you people?
Huh? What do you mean?...I'm assuming you are having problems with some members?...I don't read all the posts, so I don't know what's going on up in here, LOL...Maybe because I tend to stay away from the more controversial topics.
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Hello Anella, how are you today?
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Hello Anella, how are you today?
Good! It's a beautiful day! Some clouds rolling in as rain is predicted this weekend. Are you making some money? I have to get busy myself or I won't have enough to cash out when the time comes. I get lazy...lol Have a blessed day.
Mypug04, can I make a suggestion? In order to get your $3 a month for posting in the forum, you need 30 substantial posts. They should have some "meat' to them. You don't have to write a book, but it would be good to write something contributing to a thread. I've looked over your previous posts, and there's not much in most of them. Start a topic that you like, or find a subject in the threads that are interesting to you, and at least write a small paragraph for each thread if you can. Contribute something also in your own opinion.
I want you to get that $3 every month. If I can help you, let me know.
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Alright now!!! Y'all watch calling each other swine an such in here.....JC might put you in time out!
Drown yourselves Swine...haha
Marieelissa, Thank you for posting with me this morning. I appreciate it more than you know. :heart:
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@Annella:
I addressed Sheryl on some accusations that she lobbed at Christians that were actually what you unbelievers do. She had her facts completely wrong and I addressed it.
This is what you are refferring to?
(Thanks for answering my question jordandog, that was what I was wanting to know.) So now I have more random questions for anyone.... This thread was started by walks, if his previous postings were so degrading to christians then why even join him here on THIS thread? "downgrading, cussing, calling names, goading" by non-believers to christians HAPPENS, it happens on forums and it happens in REAL LIFE---it ALWAYS will and alot of times I think it's because christians "bring it on" by their "baiting, egging it on, keeping it going, insulting un-believers intelligence, by judgmental & superior attitude, and yes GOADING". If not, they would simply quit wasting their time and walk away. It doesn't seem like a wise choice to me for a Christian to keep going back when they know more WILL follow. I've had Christian friends check out FC and they wanted nothing to do with FC at all period once they saw the forum. They've asked me how I can be a Christian and post here because they don't believe it's a place where a Christian should be "wasting their time", or the comment "NO good Christian I know would have anything to do with this", and they've said alot worse so obviously they weren't impressed at all with ANY of the Christians on here. I have started threads that were Christian-based, NONE of the non-believers went to that thread and caused any trouble---so I don't know why a christian would "park" on their threads and attack them. :peace: Just something to think about.
Since when can you, or anyone, tell another person that their OWN perception of a situation is "wrong"? Sheryl wrote how she sees it around here, which I give her a LOT of credit for doing because I am fairly sure she knew it would NOT be 'welcomed with open arms', and you are stating she was incorrrect/wrong? You also feel that her friends who looked through here, and also drew their own conclusions, were wrong? I'm sorry, but that is coming across as 'superiority' right there, loud and clear. We don't [I don't] have the 'right' to tell anyone their opinions are just wrong - I can tell them I don't agree, but to say they are not right, wow. :confused1:
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@Annella:
I addressed Sheryl on some accusations that she lobbed at Christians that were actually what you unbelievers do. She had her facts completely wrong and I addressed it.
This is what you are refferring to?
(Thanks for answering my question jordandog, that was what I was wanting to know.) So now I have more random questions for anyone.... This thread was started by walks, if his previous postings were so degrading to christians then why even join him here on THIS thread? "downgrading, cussing, calling names, goading" by non-believers to christians HAPPENS, it happens on forums and it happens in REAL LIFE---it ALWAYS will and alot of times I think it's because christians "bring it on" by their "baiting, egging it on, keeping it going, insulting un-believers intelligence, by judgmental & superior attitude, and yes GOADING". If not, they would simply quit wasting their time and walk away. It doesn't seem like a wise choice to me for a Christian to keep going back when they know more WILL follow. I've had Christian friends check out FC and they wanted nothing to do with FC at all period once they saw the forum. They've asked me how I can be a Christian and post here because they don't believe it's a place where a Christian should be "wasting their time", or the comment "NO good Christian I know would have anything to do with this", and they've said alot worse so obviously they weren't impressed at all with ANY of the Christians on here. I have started threads that were Christian-based, NONE of the non-believers went to that thread and caused any trouble---so I don't know why a christian would "park" on their threads and attack them. :peace: Just something to think about.
Since when can you, or anyone, tell another person that their OWN perception of a situation is "wrong"? Sheryl wrote how she sees it around here, which I give her a LOT of credit for doing because I am fairly sure she knew it would NOT be 'welcomed with open arms', and you are stating she was incorrrect/wrong? You also feel that her friends who looked through here, and also drew their own conclusions, were wrong? I'm sorry, but that is coming across as 'superiority' right there, loud and clear. We don't [I don't] have the 'right' to tell anyone their opinions are just wrong - I can tell them I don't agree, but to say they are not right, wow. :confused1:
Absolutely wrong what she accused Christians of doing. They are very serious accusations. If what is being said is wrong....it's wrong. I can't sit back and say the accusations are correct when they aren't. Opinions are one thing, but to accuse someone of something they don't do, should be addressed. There's a difference.
If her friends are looking at the D&D forums, then they're going to see some adverse postings. Why she decided to reprimand the Christians when we are not the ones name calling, cussing, mocking, etc., is another misjudgment. I told her that D&D is not the only place they can post. It does say "enter at your own risk". If they didn't like what they saw in here, then they have other threads to post in.
If she thinks my postings are to rough, that's an opinion, and she's entitled to it, but not to false accusations.
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@marie: Once again you show what a low troll you can be by bringing up something from my personal history and trying to use it as some kind of insult. Do I make fun of you for being raped? No, no I don't, because I would be a horrible person if I did. Shame on you for acting like the seriousness of what I went through somehow shows unintelligence or weakness of my character. We all go through tough times in our lives, and to throw it back in someone's face (especially when they're an entirely different person now) makes you the equivalent of, I dunno...scum.
I shared that part of my life because it was relevant to the discussion at the time. I'm not ashamed of it because there's nothing TO be ashamed about. What's ironic is if I had remained a Christian, you all would be priding me on my "powerful personal testimony", so stop being a hypocrite.
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Christians bring it on??? Christians are "baiting the unbelievers, and egging it on??? Insulting their intelligence with our judgmental and superior attitude??? We attacked them??? The Christians are goading the unbelievers???
Watch out, Sheryl. Just because you're a believer, if you disagree with Annella, she'll bite your *bleep* head off.
Do you have blinders on, or do you actually believe what your accusing Christians in your post? If you don't think it's a good place for Christians.....and believe we're wasting our time, why are YOU here then?
Wow, in her few short months here, Annella has just continued to take a downward spiral into being more and more of a *bleep*.
Your rebuke is uncalled for. There's no substance to your accusations to believers/Christians on this forum. In fact, you insulted us. Thank you very much. :angry7:
Boo hoo?
Wow, qon, you can't even follow the rules in here about keeping it PG. I thought you were more mature than that...
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Plus I must add, you're not too bright if you believed in God due to you starving yourself and being 70 pounds at 16. That is a really bad disease and you may have gotten over it but it's a mental problem. You probably thought you were fat or there are some other things that can trigger that. I will agree the mind can play tricks on you but not all the time is it the mind.
You went to God out of fear or it seemed like the right thing to do because you might die. You tested God is what you did. So God may have manipulated your mind and gave you what you wanted.
You got all religious...which after being released from the hospital and hearing what doctors had to say, not sure why you continued the faith.
You went to God not out of sincerity but more of Let's see if you're there, prove yourself to me, I am scared I will die type of deal.
Marie, that is a very good post.
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So give me some credit at least because I have looked at your sources.
I'll go one step further:
I don't think you're unintelligent because...
a) You were willing to look at my sources (most Christians don't bother). At least in the beginning...I think I may have scared you off now. :P
b) You have been genuinely nice to me (the opposition) for the most part. You're a rare breed indeed and something that more Christians should strive for.
c) You've been through a lot of tough things in your life and remained strong.
d) I'm sure you're a good mommy to your 3 beautiful kids!
e) Anything else I can't know because I haven't met you in person/known you long enough.
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Marie, that is a very good post.
Then you're scum too if you agree with her. I'm sorry, but what is wrong with you people who agree so passively with the most inane, objectionable posts??
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What childish reaction would that be?
Claiming that people laugh specifically at my posts, saying "bwahaha", etc.
Are you talking about yourself here?
Yes, yes I am. I may get frustrated with some people and "sound superior" sometimes, but I know I am just a person you will probably never meet. It's your choice to take anything I have to say into consideration, or not. Only YOU have the power to let go of your superstitions...all I can do is challenge you. If you truly wanted to be honest with your students, you would be using materials from people who make careers out of this stuff (Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins).
qon, must we travel in our little circle again? You hold on to your superstitions with your beliefs and we will hold on to our beliefs in the Lord. It doesn't affect you in any way how we believe.
Sheryl, I do hope you notice the language and the cut downs coming from this particular poster.
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Marie, that is a very good post.
Then you're scum too if you agree with her. I'm sorry, but what is wrong with you people who agree so passively with the most inane, objectionable posts??
Stop your filthy mouth! Scum? :angry7:
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Marie, that is a very good post.
Then you're scum too if you agree with her. I'm sorry, but what is wrong with you people who agree so passively with the most inane, objectionable posts??
Thanks for the name calling of me qon. That doesn't bother me. What Marie wrote was not done meanly towards what you went through - she acknowledged the seriousness of your problem back then. I believe you are reacting more to the part she wrote of your acceptance of God back then, possibly from fear of what was going to happen with you. You have since denounced God and you are very defensive and sensitive when someone comments on that. What you went through was awful, and Marie, as well as my "scum" self would never demean you with that. I'm going through my own health trial right now and I am very sensitive and supportive of people going through any kind of health issue - we need all the support we can get. I hope this clarifies where I was coming from on responding to Marie's post.
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So give me some credit at least because I have looked at your sources.
I'll go one step further:
I don't think you're unintelligent because...
a) You were willing to look at my sources (most Christians don't bother). At least in the beginning...I think I may have scared you off now. :P
b) You have been genuinely nice to me (the opposition) for the most part. You're a rare breed indeed and something that more Christians should strive for.
c) You've been through a lot of tough things in your life and remained strong.
d) I'm sure you're a good mommy to your 3 beautiful kids!
e) Anything else I can't know because I haven't met you in person/known you long enough.
You can be friends with Sherene all you want, but you owe jcribb an apology for calling her scum. You are the most filthy mouthed woman I've ever seen on any site. What's wrong with you :angry7:
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So give me some credit at least because I have looked at your sources.
I'll go one step further:
I don't think you're unintelligent because...
a) You were willing to look at my sources (most Christians don't bother). At least in the beginning...I think I may have scared you off now. :P
b) You have been genuinely nice to me (the opposition) for the most part. You're a rare breed indeed and something that more Christians should strive for.
c) You've been through a lot of tough things in your life and remained strong.
d) I'm sure you're a good mommy to your 3 beautiful kids!
e) Anything else I can't know because I haven't met you in person/known you long enough.
You can be friends with Sherene all you want, but you owe jcribb an apology for calling her scum. You are the most filthy mouthed woman I've ever seen on any site. What's wrong with you :angry7:
Thank you, Annella. It will catch up with her...
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Queen, I know for your own reasons that marie's post upset you but I think using the term "scum" is uncalled for. I don't think either one of them are scum. Just the opposite, I think jcribb is a very sweet person and there is no malice in her that I could possibly conceive.
I can't speak for anyone else here but I think that being called names on a forum is not the worst thing that could happen to a person. I have been called many names here that have no merit. Being called delusional when I shared something personal was only as insulting as it was because I made myself vulnerable.
But I'm in such a good mood today, you probably could have called me the biggest idiot on the planet queen and I would have chuckled and went on my way lol.
God is so good ;D
As for Sheryl's post: Sheryl, I mean no offense but I could really care less about what people I have never met and do not know me, think about how good of a Christian I am.
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marie, you're a goof. :)
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Well Sheryl, it's kind of hard to address all your posts since I left, but I'll try. For one thing, your entitled to your opinion as everyone is. I'm sorry you have a problem with how I answer the all over "tripe" that gets aimed at Christians. Your stance is different than mine no doubt.
However, I'm not wrong, nor have I said anything to repent of. If I make a mistake, I apologize. However, there has been nothing said on my end to apologize for. You say we are to love our brother as ourself. Your right, but there is a difference from someone who actually wants to hear from God, and those who just want to tear everything about Him to pieces. Other scriptures that say not to be ashamed of the Gospel of Christ. I will defend the Word with my own life if I have to. You can't just take one scripture out of context, but the whole Word.
I'll say it again, Jesus was no mamby pamby mealy mouth teacher. He had much to say to the naysayers, and those who wanted to "catch" him in his words. I've been kind, turned the other cheek, and what did it get me? Mocked and berated. I will turn the other cheek whenever it dictates, but not when the Gospel is being dragged in the mud.
You don't have to agree with me and that's okay, but I don't see anything I've done wrong. Since you are not my spiritual authority, and in a religion with totally different beliefs, we even disagree on the application of the Word. I've lost something dear because of this, so it's cost me something. I'm still trying to dislodge the knife from my heart. Separation and discord among brothers and sisters is of the enemy. If I have to take this stand alone....so be it.
If calling names, mocking, tearing you down, etc., doesn't bother you, then....okay, you handle it how you want. However, I won't change how I handle it, just because there are those who don't like it. I have to be true to myself, and what I feel is protecting whatever pertains to Christ and those who follow Him.
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LASTLY, because I know this situation is going to happen again.......and I don't want there to be any confusion when it does. There are all types of "believers" in all different types of religions. Their words, actions, deeds, lives are testimonies of the kind of believer they are. If their lives are more about attitude than servitude, there's a problem. I will NOT be backing any "Christian" that can't treat others with some degree of respect. (I'm not saying it's ok for non-believers to attack Christians, I'm saying the foolishness will be ignored.) It isn't because I'm a "sitting on the fence" Christian or because I have "no back-bone" to take a stand for what I believe. It's because I feel more shame seeing what "Christians" post in the name of "Christianity" than what the non-believers post just being themselves---and I don't mean that as a put-down to non-believers, but rather it's the Christians that are called to obey the Bible and NOT the non-believers. I don't "verbally insult" the non-believers in my life here, and I'm not going to do it on-line in a forum either.
Sheryl, I don't like to verbally insult anyone. But there is one poster, specifically, that has literally claimed that we, as believers, are idiots, scum, clinging to security blankets, superstitions, etc. I do not call this person those kinds of names. I'm just saying when I or any other Christian gets treated that way and that we are idiots because we do believe in God, then that person should be included in being "verbally insulting." If this person doesn't want to believe, that is her choice, but she can't leave it alone and continues to harp on Christians because she thinks she is right and we are wrong. As a Christian, if my God is attacked, or I am demeaned for believing, then I have the right to stand up for what I do believe. And I do think I should do it with a Christian attitude. Unless I am wrong, I haven't seen other Christians in here curse at the non-believers that have done so. If I am wrong, then I will apologize.
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LASTLY, because I know this situation is going to happen again.......and I don't want there to be any confusion when it does. There are all types of "believers" in all different types of religions. Their words, actions, deeds, lives are testimonies of the kind of believer they are. If their lives are more about attitude than servitude, there's a problem. I will NOT be backing any "Christian" that can't treat others with some degree of respect. (I'm not saying it's ok for non-believers to attack Christians, I'm saying the foolishness will be ignored.) It isn't because I'm a "sitting on the fence" Christian or because I have "no back-bone" to take a stand for what I believe. It's because I feel more shame seeing what "Christians" post in the name of "Christianity" than what the non-believers post just being themselves---and I don't mean that as a put-down to non-believers, but rather it's the Christians that are called to obey the Bible and NOT the non-believers. I don't "verbally insult" the non-believers in my life here, and I'm not going to do it on-line in a forum either.
Sheryl, you have no idea who I am and what my life entails. You have no idea what my service is to God. If you want to confront me what you perceive on this forum, that's acceptable, but to judge my walk with God is taking it a bit far. I never said you were riding the fence or you have no back bone. However, the Bible talks about those who have a "form" of godliness, but deny the power thereof. Not everybody that says Lord, Lord, is going to enter into the Kingdom of heaven. Your either "sold out" or you are "for sale" when the enemy comes shopping. I want the enemy to know that this vessel has already been purchased, and there's no doubt who the owner is.
Just curious, but did you say you were Catholic?
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I agree with you Sheryl that the unbelievers have taught me more. They challenged me to question what I believe and I have told queen especially that I really appreciate that I met her because it spurred me to deeper understanding of God's word (even if that wasn't her intentions lol)
I probably come from a different place when it comes to dealing with unbelief because of growing up in a muslim/christian household where my faith was constantly in question by my own father. I love my Dad to pieces and I can appreciate today just how much God loves him and kept him through his time of unbelief.
My dad said and did horrible things when I was a child. He mocked Jesus constantly but because he was my dad and I loved him so much....I guess I learned how to respect people who didn't see things the way I do. My dad had my respect because he is my dad, so even when having religious discussions as an adult, I sometimes felt like I had to defend myself but I could do it while seeing his POV and having compassion for him even though he was attacking something so precious to me.
I don't know. I'm rambling.
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This is where you are all wrong. I'm not defending myself, I'm defending my Faith and the fact that the Bible is true. I also have come to the aid of those being mocked or torn down.
How can you say I don't have respect Sherene? There is only 3 people on here that I have had words with, and that's after they backed me into a corner. You may not like how this is going but at least you can be fair and truthful.
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This is where you all wrong. I'm not defending myself, I'm defending my Faith and the fact that the Bible is true. I also have come to the aid of those being mocked or torn down.
How can you say I don't have respect Sherene? There is only 3 people on here that I have had words with, and that's after they backed me into a corner. You may not like how this is going but at least you can be fair and truthful.
I'm sorry Annella, I didn't mean to imply you don't have respect. And I never try to be anything but fair and truthful, even if it costs me. :-[
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"It's difficult in times like these: ideals, dreams and cherished hopes rise within us, only to be crushed by grim reality. It's a wonder I haven't abandoned all my ideals, they seem so absurd and impractical. Yet I cling to them because I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-- Anne Frank
I have seen so much in the last few weeks alone on this forum that breaks my heart. I have met people I disagree with... there is at least one thing about which I disagree with every single person on this forum, but I have developed a respect and a caring for everyone I have talked to as I have learned more and more about them. I wonder why everyone can't see these things about each other. Jordondog and how hard she works to help others and keep herself and her family thriving; queenofnines and how she believes so strongly in living life for today without wasting it on a god she doesn't believe exists that she will speak in harsh tones in order to make an impact; walks and how he sacrifices himself on a daily basis to fight for awareness and equality for his people; Annella and her compassion for people within and without her faith, and how closely she holds it to her heart, and how fiercely she will defend it; Sherene and her quest for answers and her unwavering devotion to her god and her beautifully kind disposition; Sheryl and the way she lurks and pops out of the woodwork when she finds something on which she needs to take a stand, and how unbiased she can be... how she will take a stand for the believers and non-believers alike; Jcribb... there is no other way to say it, but she is one of the nicest people I have ever had the pleasure to meet; and Marie with her persistence and her need to share everything with us all.
There have been things that have been said on this forum that have cut me, and I've kept my mouth shut. I've always prided myself on my intelligence and my compassion, and there have been times where I have felt "taken down a peg" indirectly by things that have been said, or simply because I don't agree about something... but I've kept my mouth shut. This is a forum, and we are allowed to have differences of opinion, or to build someone up... but I'm taking issue with tearing someone down... with tearing anyone down. No one here knows anyone outside of here, not really. We may talk outside this forum, whether it be by email, on Facebook, or phone calls, but we really don't know each other. We don't even know the people we meet in our day to day lives, because we can never know what is going on inside someone else's head or within their soul.
The harshness I have seen on this thread by all parties is not something of which to be proud. It is never acceptable to use someone's past against them. It is never acceptable to pick through someone's words to find something to tear down someone personally because of being on different ends of a debate. It is never okay to make assumptions about anyone, and I am shamed because I have seen so many that I have found myself becoming fond of doing these very things.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I look forward to the day when D&D becomes the place to which I first found myself drawn... a place where we could exchange ideas, debate, and walk away without the personal attacks and insults. I know that there will be some who disagree with me and who will respond to this with those statements, but that is contrary to why I posted this. If it was up to me, this thread would be locked, and we would all move on. I think its time.
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I've obviously caused more hurt and frustration than I know. I will apologize, and make sure that this part of the forum gets back how it was before I came. I'll no longer come into D&D. I'll make my $3 posting in other threads. Lord Bless you all.
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Amy, you are so sweet :heart:
Annella, it takes more than just one person to make all this that's been happening. I have had to apologize several times to people for getting riled up and saying things I regret saying. I'm not saying you have said anything you should regret, but I have had my part in causing dissention and hurting feelings. So it's not just your fault sweetie.
Probably and especially to marie :confused1:
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I've obviously caused more hurt and frustration than I know. I will apologize, and make sure that this part of the forum gets back how it was before I came. I'll no longer come into D&D. I'll make my $3 posting in other threads. Lord Bless you all.
Annella, that was in no way directed at you personally or to try to get you to leave. I think you are a very valuable part of this forum, and I would hate it if my words made you think otherwise. I honestly have nothing but :heart: for you, and I think D&D would miss you deeply as well.
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Sheryl, I don't like to verbally insult anyone. But there is one poster, specifically, that has literally claimed that we, as believers, are idiots, scum, clinging to security blankets, superstitions, etc. I do not call this person those kinds of names. I'm just saying when I or any other Christian gets treated that way and that we are idiots because we do believe in God, then that person should be included in being "verbally insulting." If this person doesn't want to believe, that is her choice, but she can't leave it alone and continues to harp on Christians because she thinks she is right and we are wrong. As a Christian, if my God is attacked, or I am demeaned for believing, then I have the right to stand up for what I do believe. And I do think I should do it with a Christian attitude. Unless I am wrong, I haven't seen other Christians in here curse at the non-believers that have done so. If I am wrong, then I will apologize.
Referring to qon I presume? Her posts, and she has many that when all put together show she has a "unique writing style" that also includes "names", "sarcasm", "insults", and sometimes "foul language". She has posted enough to let eveyone know that she's a militant atheist so WHY does everyone EXPECT her to be an ANGEL??? She is very intelligent, she is a great writer and why shouldn't she have fun "baiting believers"...they are such easy targets and always keep coming back for more. She's ALWAYS going to think she is right and Christians are wrong if she can't find any intelligence there to prove to her any differently!! I believe a person should stand up for what they believe --I also believe there is a time and place for everything and if the purpose is to "pick a battle" with a militant atheist in the hopes of "converting them to Christianity" on a public forum...then one shouldn't get upset if they "fiesty". Both sides can sit here and battle back and forth until Jesus comes back if they want too...it's not going to solve anything. Christians aren't supposed to use profanity (many do in the real world). Non-believers can use any type of profanity they want, those words are a regular part of their vocabulary...so what? We're not responsible for their words, they are. Jesus didn't require any non-believer to be perfect first before they can come to Him---why should we?
I don't expect her to be an angel. I'm not an angel, myself. But, in my defense, I have had to stand up to her for making fun of my beliefs. Like I said before, Sheryl, she made her choice not to believe. That is not reason for me to bash her and call her names and her beliefs names. Yet, it just seems that it is being implied that it is ok for her to do that to me (or other Christians on this forum.) My choice of belief in God ultimately is mine and mine only. She should accept that the way I accept her choice of non-belief. When we first started debating (when I was new), she was more open and willing to discuss facts, opinions, and possibilities. Then things changed. She doesn't really debate anymore, she bashes and intimidates, and I'm sorry, but that is not right. I am more than willing to listen and debate, but that is not possible with her anymore. She has done that to herself.
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Annella, please hang on! I do not want you to not be in these particular threads. You are a valuable, and strong Christian, and a very sweet lady. I post in other threads, too, and I know I will "see" and "talk" with you. But it would not be the same without you in these types of threads. I will say, however, that it is definitely not the same as when I joined. We were all able to question each other, share links, challenge, and debate. Then things started getting overheated when believers were called names and being intimidated for our "wrong" beliefs. It is like we all got to a point of deep realizations and a couple of them didn't know how to answer and instead resorted to intimidation. Since then, it's being inferred that we are totally in the wrong, no arguments. All we are doing is now is defending our beliefs.
I still don't understand where all of the animosity started coming from towards you recently, with some posters, but I think it is wrong and has gone way too far. You have a right to post in here without being attacked. And in so being attacked, you have the right to defend yourself. Hang in there, okay? :heart:
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Amy, thank you for your compliment of me. I feel the same of you.
I totally agree that this is a debate forum and not a "tearing down" forum. Some of these particular threads didn't start out that way. I really enjoyed debating, challenging, taking challenges, etc. I would like to say that I have a problem with certain posters (especially one) that started cutting down, mocking, calling names, and intimidating believers. It was implied that we, as believers, were wrong and idiots for not accepting that we were wrong. It got worse with name calling. That's when believers began really defending our beliefs and God. They can tear me down (even though it's wrong), but mocking my beliefs and cursing (in a PG forum) and making me look dumb, stupid, and idiotic because I am not a non-believer, is over the line. If they don't believe, then that's ok with me. If I do believe, then it's not okay with them (one, in particular.) You are absolutely right about debating fairly, but it just doesn't look like it's going to be happening on both sides.
I don't curse at Christians or non-believers, and since the rules in here say to keep it PG, I believe they/she should follow the same example and follow the rules. I am aiming this at a couple in particular, who just happen to be non-believers. That's just what I've noticed.
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I would like to say that I have a problem with certain posters (especially one)
And I have a problem with you for specifically pointing me out over and over again like I am that horrible. I have noticed a trend in you. There was once a point when you seemed like you were listening to reason, but slowly as you've become angered by my blunt style, you've chimed right in with Annella to criticize, judge, and scold me every chance you get. What's the point in discussing anything with you people at all, when it is always the same 3 to 5 people I am dealing with and the conversations nowadays consist of, "You're mean, queen! Point ignored. You're awesome fellow Christian! *bleep* kiss." There is not intelligent discussion to be had here.
Most of you are not idiots, but you do all allow your emotions to distract you from seeing reality clearly. Do not think I have ever called someone on here stupid overall; we all are stupid when it comes to various things in our lives...it takes a strong person to confront their stupid and try to make amends for it. Most people unfortunately can't do this.
P.S. *bleep*, *bleep*, and even *bleep* are all allowed on national TV. So that is PG. I really don't swear as much as you think I do on here, so get over it.
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I'm actually around people who curse all the time. I used to tell people I don't appreciate their language, but I found in trying to be a good witness that they just thought I was acting holier than thou and better than them. So I just don't say anything anymore.
Also there was a man that was a former gang member, real rough guy, got up to testify about being delivered from drugs and other things and he was so used to cursing that he cursed all throughout his testimony. He said stuff like "thank God for the mother###### that brought me to church." "i nailed my sh## on the cross today"
Far from being offended most people thought it was very endearing. He did just what God asked "Come as you are"
HOWEVER, I do want to clarify that there is a difference between using curse words in everyday conversation and cursing someone out in an attempt at being hateful and derogatory towards them. That is not okay.
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There is only 3 people on here that I have had words with, and that's after they backed me into a corner.
Lets see here. Let's be truthful here.
jordandog
Queenofnines
falconer
walksalone
marieelissa
Cuppycake
AmyTrivitt
502mania
teflonfanatic
and more I cannot come up with right at this moment - only 3 people?!
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I would like to say that I have a problem with certain posters (especially one)
And I have a problem with you for specifically pointing me out over and over again like I am that horrible. I have noticed a trend in you. There was once a point when you seemed like you were listening to reason, but slowly as you've become angered by my blunt style, you've chimed right in with Annella to criticize, judge, and scold me every chance you get. What's the point in discussing anything with you people at all, when it is always the same 3 to 5 people I am dealing with and the conversations nowadays consist of, "You're mean, queen! Point ignored. You're awesome fellow Christian! *bleep* kiss." There is not intelligent discussion to be had here.
Most of you are not idiots, but you do all allow your emotions to distract you from seeing reality clearly. Do not think I have ever called someone on here stupid overall; we all are stupid when it comes to various things in our lives...it takes a strong person to confront their stupid and try to make amends for it. Most people unfortunately can't do this.
P.S. *bleep*, *bleep*, and even *bleep* are all allowed on national TV. So that is PG. I really don't swear as much as you think I do on here, so get over it.
You forgot another curse word, the main one I was referring to. I also grew up in a household of cursing, so you don't have one over me here. For once I must have hit a sore spot since you reacted so strongly. Apparently it is okay for you to bluntly call names, intimidate, and close discussions when you don't want to hear more about the issue. See above, for example. But it's not okay for us to do the same. You are so right. Let's turn it around. What is the point of discussing anything with you either? You didn't start out so blunt yourself. You said it correctly that when you started getting more blunt, I got more blunt. I can listen to reason as much as anyone, but when you go too far because I'm not listening to your reasoning, I react, too. That's what you don't like - for anyone to question you.
I do not let my emotions cloud reality. I know what I believe, and that reality is God. You just cannot accept that so you say I am allowing my emotions to distract me from seeing reality clearly. So because of that, I am not speaking intelligently (according to you.) That is a real shame.
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All this fighting makes me a sad panda. :'(
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There seems to be a terrible misunderstanding on the part of a great many people to the effect that when you cease to believe you may cease to behave.
Louis Kronenberger
It is wonderful how much time good people spend fighting the devil. If they would only expend the same amount of energy loving their fellow men, the devil would die in his own tracks of ennui.
Helen Keller
*ennui means boredom*
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It is wonderful how much time good people spend fighting the devil. If they would only expend the same amount of energy loving their fellow men, the devil would die in his own tracks of ennui.
If only this wonderful woman could have told that to my brothers girlfriends parents before they kicked her out of the house because they didn't like the idea that she was dating someone who wasn't an evangelical like they both are.
And just 2 days ago they told my brother that he was with the devil in the same conversation that he started to ask if they needed help moving the moms parents into their new home. Gotta love dem good ol' primitive relijuss filasufeez! You can justify just about anything with them.
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Do you people have a life, or do you think the world revolves around YOU! :thumbsup:
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It is wonderful how much time good people spend fighting the devil. If they would only expend the same amount of energy loving their fellow men, the devil would die in his own tracks of ennui.
If only this wonderful woman could have told that to my brothers girlfriends parents before they kicked her out of the house because they didn't like the idea that she was dating someone who wasn't an evangelical like they both are.
And just 2 days ago they told my brother that he was with the devil in the same conversation that he started to ask if they needed help moving the moms parents into their new home. Gotta love dem good ol' primitive relijuss filasufeez! You can justify just about anything with them.
How sad is that? What a perfect example of 'wasting energy', because I am fairly sure the parents spent a whole lot of time coming up with all the reasons why they were 100% 'justified' in doing that to their own flesh and blood, not to mention your poor brother. :angry7: I'm willing to bet a lot of energy was also expended in yelling at and berating the 2 of them. Unless of course they stuck the knife in their daughter's heart quietly - while having a good cup of coffee and a discussion of what the sermon topic would be this Sunday at their church. They'll no doubt wonder and commiserate with friends as to why she wants nothing to do with them at some point because they were 'only looking out for her and doing it because they love her so much'..... :(
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Oh it gets so much worse, JD. You'd think that I'm not telling you the entire story and that there's more to it than just the religion, but there really isn't that much. They got this idea in their head that my brother is this 'douchebag preppy guy' who goes out drinking and cheating every night which is just ludicrous-- he's furthest from that! Their mindset is the one of anyone not involved in their beliefs is ultimately BAD! She lost the majority of her friends due to them all being aligned with the church. Her parents even have her little 8 yr old brother send (well-worded) emails to her saying "I miss you. Plz break up with him cuz he's with satan and you shouldn't align yourself with that. I miss you!". It's just pathetic. Fortunately it has been an eye-opening situation and she does not align herself with the church anymore. When her parents kicked her out, it kind of opened the flood gates of reality. Now she's a total freethinker on everything we discuss...wait...I mean she's tainted by the hand of satan due to us.
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Falconer and jordandog: Those parents sound exactly like my dad was when I was growing up and into my 20's. He scared away a couple of very nice guys with his rantings, speeches, and of the devil threats. He actually didn't get saved until near the end of his life years ago. He was a mean man and father, even though he did change briefly at the end after his decision. Some so-called "Christians" that act like those parents are, are not what I am made of or approve of either. It's a shame that some of these type people give a bad name to other Christians who genuinely love the Lord and their fellowmen/women.
Sheryl: I do see where you are coming from and what you are trying to get across. However, I am not going to speak for the other Christians on here, only myself right now. I have had conversations with Falconer and jordandog where they have challenged my beliefs and questioned me on why I believe certain things. They have looked at my links and I have looked at their links. I have questioned and challenged them as well. That is not a problem to me - since this is a debate forum. The point here is they have listened and responded to me without animosity. Maybe a few sparks, but that is normal. Queenofnines, however, in the beginning, did the same. Then she started mocking me (and other Christians, and even posters who called her on her name calling.) She went beyond challenging and "testing" (as you put it) my faith. I still stood up to her and tried to present what I could and why I believe what I do. When she started calling our beliefs "invisible security blanket," how we don't live in reality, idiocy, etc., she was not any longer testing or challenging. She was mocking and berating and not accepting that our/my choice is what it is. I do accept her way for her - it's her choice and not my business, except to pray for her, which I have. I have not cut her beliefs.
Queenofnines: Just so you don't get on to me for talking about you in the previous paragraph, I am simply responding to Sheryl and her defense of your "testing" of Christian faith on here. I enjoyed very much debating with you in the beginning. But as you now simply shun my beliefs and turn me off, and mock by name calling, instead of asking questions back and forth in a debating way, and answering in a mature way, I feel it has gone beyong debating and it appears that it is your way or no way. I certainly do not mind being tested, but at least receive my responses (and others) as genuine answers and stop coming back with demeaning answers. In that way, I am willing to listen to you, as well.
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He actually didn't get saved until near the end of his life years ago.
It's a shame that some of these type people give a bad name to other Christians who genuinely love the Lord and their fellowmen/women.
No offense whatsoever, but I'm 99% sure all of the people that clung to his past train-of-thought would think "Yeah, but your dad wasn't really saved like us. We're the real ones who are saved. He wasn't because he (insert random bible quotes or broken philosophies here)." It is a shame, but I keep on seeing it everywhere. Hell, 2 weeks ago my friend got arrested. Of course his dad was there for him, but was his nutjob churchy mother? Nope. She just bashed him saying if he had never left the church, this would have never happened. She probably used it as an example at her church too. Nevermind that she was a major reason he left in the first place. :BangHead: What a headache. It has been a busy past couple o' weeks.
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He actually didn't get saved until near the end of his life years ago.
It's a shame that some of these type people give a bad name to other Christians who genuinely love the Lord and their fellowmen/women.
No offense whatsoever, but I'm 99% sure all of the people that clung to his past train-of-thought would think "Yeah, but your dad wasn't really saved like us. We're the real ones who are saved. He wasn't because he (insert random bible quotes or broken philosophies here)." It is a shame, but I keep on seeing it everywhere. Hell, 2 weeks ago my friend got arrested. Of course his dad was there for him, but was his nutjob churchy mother? Nope. She just bashed him saying if he had never left the church, this would have never happened. She probably used it as an example at her church too. Nevermind that she was a major reason he left in the first place. :BangHead: What a headache. It has been a busy past couple o' weeks.
I'm really sorry you and your brother and friend have gone through this trying time. I'm glad you are there for support for them.
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Oh it gets so much worse, JD. You'd think that I'm not telling you the entire story and that there's more to it than just the religion, but there really isn't that much. They got this idea in their head that my brother is this 'douchebag preppy guy' who goes out drinking and cheating every night which is just ludicrous-- he's furthest from that! Their mindset is the one of anyone not involved in their beliefs is ultimately BAD! She lost the majority of her friends due to them all being aligned with the church. Her parents even have her little 8 yr old brother send (well-worded) emails to her saying "I miss you. Plz break up with him cuz he's with satan and you shouldn't align yourself with that. I miss you!". It's just pathetic. Fortunately it has been an eye-opening situation and she does not align herself with the church anymore. When her parents kicked her out, it kind of opened the flood gates of reality. Now she's a total freethinker on everything we discuss...wait...I mean she's tainted by the hand of satan due to us.
Actually (and unfortunately) I really did NOT think there was more you weren't saying as far as the reasons behind it. I know people like that, like jcibb bringing up her father, and those are toxic folks I have said before I refuse to be around. They are true brute fanatics and yes, it does give religion and religious people a horrible rep if that is all someone is exposed to. We all know you can beat a dog into complete submission, but eventually he will have had enough and his only instinct is to destroy the person who owns the hand. Those 'parents' are doing the same thing to their daughter, but unlike an animal, she had the sense to stand up to them and I honestly think she would have left their care regardless of them kicking her out. Thankfully she has your brother to help her stay away from the horrible guilt trip that is already being put on her. Bringing her little brother into it?! Shows you just how low some people will go and say it is 'all in the name of love and god'.
I don't like to talk about work and my patients on here. It somehow feels as if I am breaking a code, even though it's not - I just have so much love and respect for them because of the hand life has dealt them. I have said before I NEVER bring my religious opinions and/or views into the lives of my patients and their families. Countless times I have sat and held hands with them while they prayed and I can only remember one time being asked why I didn't add my voice to it. I said something to the effect that "I felt it was their words that needed to be said, not mine, and I was there as support." Long story short - we had a 15 year old boy that was diagnosed with acute lymphoblastic leukemia. It is highly agressive BUT also treatable with a fairly good outcome if it is caught early. For a couple years before he came to us and was [correctly]diagnosed, the family doctor was 'reassuring' the parents, his 3 siblings, and the rest of the family that he kept catching colds which caused the rise in his white cell count (told them every kid catches colds, strep throat, etc.) was always winded during and after sports because of a case of 'mild asthma', kids his age always need more sleep, especially boys, he was always 'tired' just being a teen and burning the candle at both ends, every excuse out there. They were also told he would "most likely grow out of it and just needed to take antibiotics when needed, use his inhaler and steroids, blah, blah". We started him on all the normal protocols, I took care of him for 2+ years, but it was too late for us to make him one of the 'lucky ones'. He had a very supportive and loving family, but they were also very, very dedicated to their religion. Keep in mind he could NOT have any of his friends come to see him while he was hospitalized because of the risk of infection being brought in and family had to don the clean suits when he was at his most susceptible times. The one joy he always looked forward to was playing cards with his dad and grandfather when he was able and well enough to do so. I honestly believe he did it to make THEM feel like everything was going to turn out all right. There were many times I could see in his eyes just how lousy and worn out and sick and tired of being sick and tired he was, but he still played.
That was the very last thing he did with his grandfather, 2 months before he died, because he told everyone in the family "You can say all the prayers you want, but god is not hearing me anymore, if he ever did, so I won't talk to Him anymore - you do it." His 'Pops' never came back again to see him after that and even though it was never said to me, I know his 'Nana' lied and went behind her husband's back so she could visit him 3 or 4 more times. It literally ripped them all apart and any emotional crisis in our class of patients can be the straw that will break even the strongest person's will to survive. Tyler died this past June, just shy of 2 months after all this. I just know in my heart that the absence of his Pops was one of the last things he thought about. I was able to attend the funeral home for Tyler's memorial, which I do for all patients we lose whenever possible, because you (I) cannot treat them as a chart and room number ever, but especially when they are with us for long periods of time. Tyler's grandfather came up to me with his arms out, as if to hug me. It was one of the ONLY times in all my years that I absolutely could not bring myself to offer any words to someone - I turned and walked away from him.
I know I said this would be short and it wasn't. It also took me forever to type out between tears. Apologies for another of my 'novella' posts.
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hello, I'm new here :angel12:
I do not know WTH happen here lol
don't get caught up in this. If you do, your brain will slowly shrink into nothing! It's already too late for a lot for these folks here. Run way, child, run, don't look back. Run away, & find your self a life. Be afraid... be very afraid!
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Jordandog, thank you for taking the time to share that. That is so tragic and hard to deal with. You must have a really soft heart for your patients, for it sounds like you go above and beyond. I will never forget one of my mom's nurses from the hospital my mom was in before she died. She took such good care of my mom and looked out for me and my comforts (because I would not leave my mom's side until she was gone.) This nurse came to my mom's funeral, and has since communicated with me to check on me and my family.
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WOW what a sad read. That's just terrible. Absolutely terrible. I can't imagine what that must have felt like...sorry to hear that you had to go through with that. :(
And to think I grew up in a religion that actually would cut off contact with people if they revoked their respect for some magical invisible man. Toxics...what an appropriate name for them.
Apologies for another of my 'novella' posts.
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....no need.
I realized she also probably thinks God has made a level JUST FOR HER because she's just "SO SPECIAL"....lol
This is definitely a major problem with following a concept of an afterlife. Everyone has a different idea on what to expect, and even when they're of the same faith, they still manage to disagree and get ticked off! "My morality level is at 51, but my donation level is at 28. So I expect to get into level 30 heaven."
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Do you people have a life, or do you think the world revolves around YOU! :thumbsup:
They won't respond to you they're so caught up in their psychotic religious realm that if g-d did personally come to take them to the promise land which is a fantasy.....they'd be so busy being all that in their little club that g-d would through her hands up & leave. Haaaaahaaaa, it would be poetic justice that those die hard Christan(s) got left behind because they're too busy alienating other people that don't believe exactly the way they do.
Ahham a favorite song re-worded....
If g-d could talk, she'd say that they were full of *bleep*. If g-d could talk, she'd say that she didn't bargained for this. If g-d could talk, she'd cry that this really stinks! If g-d could talk, she'd say," I should have chosen the minks. " ;D
Thanks for letting me vent.
From a recovering catholic. :wave:
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Hello everyone! :wave: How are you today?
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:cat: Hello, mypug. How are you? It's a beautiful fall day out. What would you like to contribute to the conversation in here?
Marie: Beautiful song! Sure beats the other one that the other poster posted before that!
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Do you people have a life, or do you think the world revolves around YOU! :thumbsup:
They won't respond to you they're so caught up in their psychotic religious realm that if g-d did personally come to take them to the promise land which is a fantasy.....they'd be so busy being all that in their little club that g-d would through her hands up & leave. Haaaaahaaaa, it would be poetic justice that those die hard Christan(s) got left behind because they're too busy alienating other people that don't believe exactly the way they do.
Ahham a favorite song re-worded....
If g-d could talk, she'd say that they were full of *bleep*. If g-d could talk, she'd say that she didn't bargained for this. If g-d could talk, she'd cry that this really stinks! If g-d could talk, she'd say," I should have chosen the minks. " ;D
Thanks for letting me vent.
From a recovering catholic. :wave:
There you go Sarabtrayior, I shocked them out their protective force field now's the time to jump in! Good luck :thumbsup:
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From a recovering catholic.
lol, the first time I read that I thought it said "From a recovering alcoholic"........I got up WAY TOO early this morning!
lol. don't feel bad i did the same thing. but i was like "how is that even relevant?"
then it made more sense after i re-read it. ;D
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anytime. ;) i'm here all week. *puts out a jar on the corner* all tips donated go straight to the performer(s). :P
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Just had a chance to get om and finish reading this thread.
I appreciate everyone who has contributed to it and I mean everyone.
I agree that it has been pretty painful at times, however, I also think it has been very revealing.
There is a lesson in every thing for someone.
Again....thank you all.
and Annella............quit pouting and get your *bleep* back in here!
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Hello jcribb16, is that a cat on your profile picture or a little doggie? it's really cute! I've been working all day in the computer, How about you? :wave:
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Just had a chance to get om and finish reading this thread.
I appreciate everyone who has contributed to it and I mean everyone.
I agree that it has been pretty painful at times, however, I also think it has been very revealing.
There is a lesson in every thing for someone.
Again....thank you all.
and Annella............quit pouting and get your *bleep* back in here!
Ha, ha, Walksalone we all know that you just love to stir up the beehive esp. when it's the religion subject. Ahhhamm....reworded fav. song. If g-d could talk, she's say, I created Walksalone to stir up the mists to awake the sleeping masses from their impending doom away from the blackness of the abyss. ;D
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Hello jcribb16, is that a cat on your profile picture or a little doggie? it's really cute! I've been working all day in the computer, How about you? :wave:
Yes, it's a cat! Thanks!
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your cat is really cute :) Hey, I like your banner :thumbsup:
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One of these days when Im not out in the world trying to earn a buck to pay for my rent and food. Ill sit down and learn how to make banners. that sure is cute. :notworthy:
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:cat: Thanks mypug and charmaine! I actually got the site from Marieelissa, and I thought I had bookmarked it, but I can't find it. The banner is just made up of 4 little pictures, put together to make a little show. They are found on clip art sites where you can copy and save them (free) to your computer, then upload them in your profile section.
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I do not know how to do it. I was looking the other day can't figured it out lol
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I do not know how to do it. I was looking the other day can't figured it out lol
http://tinypic.com/ - I actually found it! I got this particular one from here on FC. When you find pics you like you right click on your mouse and save picture to your computer. Then go to the tinypic site - they let you upload to put it on here. When you hit the button for "browse," it will take you to your saved pics. Double click the one you want. Tinypic will then give you different examples to choose from. You need to choose and highlight/copy the one that says it's for forums.
Then, on here (FC), hit your green "Profile" tab. When you get there, go down the left side of page to find box called "Modify Profile." Click the 2nd choice that says "Forum Profile Information." That will take you to the right side of page to the "Signature" section. That's where you paste what you highlighted/copied from the tinypic site. Don't forget to click the "Change Profile" button down a little from the "Signature" section. Then it's done!
Hope this helps a little! :)
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You are awesome! Thank you very much! I will try it right now ;) Thank you!!!! :thumbsup:
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Hey jcribb16, Thank you so soooooo much for your help!!!!! I really appreciate it. :thumbsup: God bless you and your cutie cat!
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:cat: You are very welcome! Also, I love your picture of your Superdog Pug with his birthday cake!!! Adorable! :) :heart:
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:cat: You are very welcome! Also, I love your picture of your Superdog Pug with his birthday cake!!! Adorable! :) :heart:
Thank you jcribb16! He is my super boy!!!! :wave:
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I don't know anyone -__-
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I don't know anyone -__-
Hi, cheyanne! Welcome to Fusion Cash! We all get to know each other through these forums. Just join in on any that interest you or you can even begin your own topic!!! Hope to "see" you again soon!! :wave:
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I don't know anyone -__-
Hello there, welcome! there are tons of friendly people here... jcribb16 is of of those!
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Just had a chance to get om and finish reading this thread.
I appreciate everyone who has contributed to it and I mean everyone.
I agree that it has been pretty painful at times, however, I also think it has been very revealing.
There is a lesson in every thing for someone.
Again....thank you all.
and Annella............quit pouting and get your *bleep* back in here!
Ha, ha, Walksalone we all know that you just love to stir up the beehive esp. when it's the religion subject. Ahhhamm....reworded fav. song. If g-d could talk, she's say, I created Walksalone to stir up the mists to awake the sleeping masses from their impending doom away from the blackness of the abyss. ;D
For real?......wow, whoda thunk it. sounds kinna depressing tho.
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Just had a chance to get om and finish reading this thread.
I appreciate everyone who has contributed to it and I mean everyone.
I agree that it has been pretty painful at times, however, I also think it has been very revealing.
There is a lesson in every thing for someone.
Again....thank you all.
and Annella............quit pouting and get your *bleep* back in here!
Ha, ha, Walksalone we all know that you just love to stir up the beehive esp. when it's the religion subject. Ahhhamm....reworded fav. song. If g-d could talk, she's say, I created Walksalone to stir up the mists to awake the sleeping masses from their impending doom away from the blackness of the abyss. ;D
For real?......wow, whoda thunk it. sounds kinna depressing tho.
Hello, it means you get people to think & open their eyes to reality. Ya, you stir the poet/rebel in me. :wave:
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Just had a chance to get om and finish reading this thread.
I appreciate everyone who has contributed to it and I mean everyone.
I agree that it has been pretty painful at times, however, I also think it has been very revealing.
There is a lesson in every thing for someone.
Again....thank you all.
and Annella............quit pouting and get your *bleep* back in here!
Ha, ha, Walksalone we all know that you just love to stir up the beehive esp. when it's the religion subject. Ahhhamm....reworded fav. song. If g-d could talk, she's say, I created Walksalone to stir up the mists to awake the sleeping masses from their impending doom away from the blackness of the abyss. ;D
For real?......wow, whoda thunk it. sounds kinna depressing tho.
Hello, it means you get people to think & open their eyes to reality. Ya, you stir the poet/rebel in me. :wave:
Hello, did you get my email? It's not a spam okay. Hmmmp don't say anything, someone is watching here lol
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I don't know anyone -__-
Hello Cheyenne, Don't feel bad about not knowing anyone. We were all NEW here and did not know anyone, when we first came here. You can correspond here with me and others, however I do not always get back to the post here. If you want to find me on Facebook, I am Peggy Collis. I always respond to my emails there. Just send me friend request there IF you want to.