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This may have been discussed before but I am new so I don't know
Anyways, if a person commits suicide ... are they brave or are they a coward?
I think they are brave because not many people are man/woman enough to take their own life.
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Have you known anyone to commit suicide? I have. I personally think it is cowardly, and I still am deeply hurt by it.
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No I have never meet anyone but I do have suicidaly thoughts alot.
In my perspective that person just wanted to get out and escape. I sometimes feel like I would like to do the same, and I am sorry for your lost. Understand it was that person's right, at least that's what I believe.
If they don't feel like living anymore... why should they? If you understand what I am saying.
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There are many people who have suicidal thoughts or wished they were dead. The whole thing about being an adult, though, is that you have responsibility to more than just yourself. By killing yourself when you just don't want to live, you are taking the easy way out. My brother had his 16 year old son living with him, a 13 year old son that looked forward to visiting his dad every year on summer and winter holidays, and a 10 year old son desperate to get to know his dad, and he abandoned them when he pulled that trigger. He also abandoned the rest of his family, including my mother who is on oxygen and in poor health, my father who considered him his best friend, my brother and his family, and myself and my family. He has two nephews and a niece that he never got to meet because he took the easy way out, and every day I miss him and wish he was here to play with my daughter or to counsel his two now-adult troubled sons who can't seem to stay on the right side of the law.
Suicide effects more than just the dead. No matter how bad I feel or how much I wish I would die at times, no matter how bad my postpartum depression got where I just wanted to drive over the side of a bridge, I never did, because I know that I have a responsibility to those who love me, no matter how little I may have loved myself.
I believe life is not just a gift...there is more to it than getting what you can out of it. If you go through your life helping or pleasing only yourself, then there isn't much to your life, and it was wasted...IMO.
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Whenever I see topics like this my first thought is, does it matter?
It does matter. Ask anyone who has ever known someone who has committed suicide or anyone that has been suicidal.
Topics like this are a cry for help.
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I am sorry to hear about your troubles Dx
Here is my opinion. If I where to die it wouldn't matter because I am nothing (maybe that's how he felt)
I feel like by me dying it's actually better for the world
~Food that goes into me can no go into someone who wants to live
~Less oxygen being consumed if I am gone
~My friends and school wouldn't care?
~The spot that I would take in college can now be filled with someone who earned it
~Less money my parents has to spend on me
The list goes on and on... It's actually a good thing if I die.
Maybe thats how he felt?
It's not taking the easy way out either .. because killing your self takes guts and courage to actually say "Hey I am tried of this world, and I want to end it all"
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I'm not telling anyone in real life how I feel because they say "people who say there gonna commit suicide are only wanting attention"
That's why I cope with this alone
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No I don't care about myself. I feel like the only thing I am good for is getting A's and being naturally gifted in English and Math... that's it
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He has two nephews and a niece that he never got to meet because he took the easy way out
If you believe in God then you know this is not true. Never say Never.
That belief is not universal. Many believe that suicides are destined for hellfire. Many don't believe in heaven or hell. The point is, though, that he never got to meet them in this life, if you believe in a next one. This life is the only one we know we're guaranteed to a degree, and it is the one that matters to my daughter who sees my brother's picture, points, and says "Uncle Bill" but doesn't know who Uncle Bill is, really, except that he died before she was born. She was robbed of his goofy laugh. It hurts and angers me at the same time.
I am sorry to hear about your troubles Dx
Here is my opinion. If I where to die it wouldn't matter because I am nothing (maybe that's how he felt)
I feel like by me dying it's actually better for the world
~Food that goes into me can no go into someone who wants to live
~Less oxygen being consumed if I am gone
~My friends and school wouldn't care?
~The spot that I would take in college can now be filled with someone who earned it
~Less money my parents has to spend on me
The list goes on and on... It's actually a good thing if I die.
Maybe thats how he felt?
It's not taking the easy way out either .. because killing your self takes guts and courage to actually say "Hey I am tried of this world, and I want to end it all"
He killed himself after he received a mistakenly delivered child support summons. He walked out on his job, called his girlfriend who basically told him she didn't care, sent his son to stay the night with the son's girlfriend, and shot himself. There is nothing glamorous about it. He was lying in his bed, pulled the trigger, and when my father found him the next day when he went to check on him, he was cold and stiff. That is what my father remembers when he closes his eyes. His son that was living with him remembers getting off the school bus and seeing police and tape around the house and not being allowed to go inside. I remember being the first one to the funeral home and asking the mortician to change the makeup because that wasn't the way my brother looked when he was alive. And all of us remember the two days of having to hug people and accept their condolences for our loss when all we wanted to do was sit and cry. As soon as my brother was buried, we had to go to the house where he killed himself and pack up his possessions, decide what to keep, what to sell, and what to throw away. His suicide was not brave... none is.
While there's life, there's hope.
Cicero
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This may have been discussed before but I am new so I don't know
Anyways, if a person commits suicide ... are they brave or are they a coward?
I think they are brave because not many people are man/woman enough to take their own life.
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First of all I think your answer to your own question is moronic. What's so brave about killing yourself? It's just plain stupid and selfish. Think about all the people that are hurt and have to live with the pain of such a selfish act. There is nothing brave about killing yourself, it's a cowardly act of pure unadulterated selfishness.
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Definitely cowardly. You're not facing anything that may stand in front of you. You're running from it. Bravery would be facing the issue you think you'll fail in and overcoming it. Not to mention all the people that get left behind hurt, and in pain wondering why???
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No I don't care about myself. I feel like the only thing I am good for is getting A's and being naturally gifted in English and Math... that's it
Why in the world would you say such a thing about yourself??? Whether or not you are religious, you were put here on this planet for a reason, and after all of that hard work you are putting in with your school, believe me, it will pay off in the end. You should be celebrating these things about you, and if you think that's all you have to offer this world, you are so wrong. Cheer up, and look inside yourself, think about the things you enjoy and that you love, then your creative side will come out, and all of that madness will be behind you...
good times! :heart: :heart:
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Hi marieelissa I just know there Aint no such God I been asking for prayers from God and Vergin Mary for years and it never happens when you ask for help. I getting to believe it all a hoax is using your for money grab. Do you no why I'm here it not god who made me or others. The secret lies in the ground the word god was premade up as a someone started story, that phose Jesus told to him to say that word to get us believing he will save us is not known. when you ask sod then god you get a answer god tend used us that never tend heal people Like i ask for years just a real hoax. Found out yesterday i ask him a god a question again never works. i just not going believe in him or vergin mary anymore to i here my answer. you contact me i tell what it means to sod.
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They are neither brave or cowards, they are weak and hurting and in need of support & healing.
I tried twice and nearly got there. I was saved, I spent a week in ICU but I pulled thru and I got well
I am unfortunate to have Bipolar- disorder so I can't never say that , it would not happen again. I know that I don't want to die, and I have alot to live for dispite my illness.
But in all, for what ever reason a person has got to that low. No one should or have the right to judge that person's actions. In my opinion, people should questions why they didn't see that person in need of help and question if they were to scared to help.
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They are neither brave or cowards, they are weak and hurting and in need of support & healing.
I tried twice and nearly got there. I was saved, I spent a week in ICU but I pulled thru and I got well
I am unfortunate to have Bipolar- disorder so I can't never say that , it would not happen again. I know that I don't want to die, and I have alot to live for dispite my illness.
But in all, for what ever reason a person has got to that low. No one should or have the right to judge that person's actions. In my opinion, people should questions why they didn't see that person in need of help and question if they were to scared to help.
GOSH! I completey AGREE with you! Such wise words! :D
I am 15 for ever asked my age. and I don't think taking your life is being a coward?Do you have any idea how many pepople WANT to take their lifes? However the actually people that do that are willing to take their lifes, and it's such a challenege but they over come it.
This is how I look at it... and it shoould be their right to choose and their family should at least try to look at it from the person who committed suicides perspective.
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It is cowardly, selfish and self serving. You just don't have the strength to keep going on. You're tired and you're fed up. So what? Life just goes on getting harder and harder but who the &*(^ are you to get out so easily? What makes you think you deserve escape and besides that, you'll be dead and you will not know ANYTHING so there is no escape ..you have to be alive to feel anything such as relief.
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pray for all the people in the world today
who think if they are gone the world will be OK
every person has the right to say
without me you would still pray
but what you came here for cant be put off another day.
Calling the hotline is the best thing to do.
Looking inside yourself and saying your worth living this through
People are so bad to have made you feel this way
thats why those at the hotline can help you today.
call your doctor and let them know what is bothering you
They know who has been abused and made to feel that way.
and the hotline can help you right now today.
You will grow up and see you are worthy to be here.
I did not know fusion had young people making money. what is the age limit here.
I can tell my young cousins there is a place for them now.
I give my love to you and you will find people who will love you as you work your hard life out. It may not seem like it to you but they are there to sing and shout. How much you are loved. At 15, you can get yourself a foster family if you feel that bad you dont want to be here.
talk to a counseler now please my dear.
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This song reminds me of my brother, and these lyrics just stand out to me. I can't say it any clearer than I have before: suicide is not glamorous, it's desperate and pitiful. There is always, always a reason to fight and keep living. Ask anyone who has been dragged through the worst life has had to offer... rape, death of family, death of a spouse or child, divorce, disease, homelessness, poverty... there is so much that a person can experience.
You're 15... you have every reason in the world to fight and to try to get through the rough. There are so many people here on FC, especially in D&D, that can tell you about the bad things that can happen to a person, or how someone can put themselves down or listen to everyone else putting them down that they believe the bad. But... here is the bottom line...
Suicide is final. There is no going back once you've killed yourself. Just think about it.
http://www.allthelyrics.com/song/1307211/
Oh why there's no comprehending
And who am I to try to judge or explain
Oh but I do have one burning question
Who told you life wasn't worth the fight
They were wrong
They lied
And now you're gone
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I read all that people have wrote but it's almost feelings like none read what I wrote.
Suicide is not about seeking help from the All Mighty but from those here on this planet that chose to ignore our pain.
It does not require miracles from GOD but love and support from family, friends and sometimes a stranger.
As for God, he gave us the bible for us to learn to love one another. He gave us compassion but we choose not to use it.
And on a side note. There is no hell, sheol was the original word the King James Bible switched to Hell, but Sheol in Hebrew really means the grave. The only hell there is , is that which we make for ourselves.
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I read all that people have wrote but it's almost feelings like none read what I wrote.
Suicide is not about seeking help from the All Mighty but from those here on this planet that chose to ignore our pain.
It does not require miracles from GOD but love and support from family, friends and sometimes a stranger.
As for God, he gave us the bible for us to learn to love one another. He gave us compassion but we choose not to use it.
And on a side note. There is no hell, sheol was the original word the King James Bible switched to Hell, but Sheol in Hebrew really means the grave. The only hell there is , is that which we make for ourselves.
No, I did read your words. My brother was bipolar, too. He tried multiple times to kill himself, and I know I personally tried what I could do to help him, but the thing is, he needed to want to help himself, too. He didn't, though, and spent so much of his time lamenting about what a cruel world it is and how the world was out to beat him down instead of accepting responsibility for his actions and noticing the good that was in his life.
I feel compassion for those who are suicidal...I've been there, too. I've been through quite a few hard times that I won't elaborate here, I've had bad postpartum depression, and I am still suffering from major depressive disorder. But, I have two parents, a husband, a daughter, brothers, sisters, nephews, friends... so many people I love that I would be leaving behind if I drove off a bridge or slit my wrists. No matter how hard my life gets, no matter how depressed I get, no matter how bad things seem, I can look at that and see why my life is worth living. Compassion for others only takes you so far; you have to have some compassion for yourself, as well.
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pray for all the people in the world today
who think if they are gone the world will be OK
every person has the right to say
without me you would still pray
but what you came here for cant be put off another day.
Calling the hotline is the best thing to do.
Looking inside yourself and saying your worth living this through
People are so bad to have made you feel this way
thats why those at the hotline can help you today.
call your doctor and let them know what is bothering you
They know who has been abused and made to feel that way.
and the hotline can help you right now today.
You will grow up and see you are worthy to be here.
I did not know fusion had young people making money. what is the age limit here.
I can tell my young cousins there is a place for them now.
I give my love to you and you will find people who will love you as you work your hard life out. It may not seem like it to you but they are there to sing and shout. How much you are loved. At 15, you can get yourself a foster family if you feel that bad you dont want to be here.
talk to a counseler now please my dear.
I love this poem and it really touches my heart, and yes I am still young and I wanted to kill myself once but I never tryed though because I wasn't brave enough to do it because deep down inside oof me I wanted to continue living. I didn't want to for friends or family because I don't think it will affect them that much, and I'm one less mouth to feed for my parents.
Yeah that goes back to the question though, is it a bravely or cowardly thing to do? Because I was a coward and didn't do it, and deep down in my heart I wish everyone who has commited suicude was a coward and didn't do it either D8
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I love this poem and it really touches my heart, and yes I am still young and I wanted to kill myself once but I never tryed though because I wasn't brave enough to do it because deep down inside oof me I wanted to continue living. I didn't want to for friends or family because I don't think it will affect them that much, and I'm one less mouth to feed for my parents.
Yeah that goes back to the question though, is it a bravely or cowardly thing to do? Because I was a coward and didn't do it, and deep down in my heart I wish everyone who has commited suicude was a coward and didn't do it either D8
Speaking as a parent... we yell, we punish, and we're pretty bad natured at times... but if your parents are even remotely like me, they love you, and even though they probably complain about money, they would rather be homeless than to not have you in their world. I've seen my parents, after my brother killed himself. He thought he was a burden, that he was just contributing to my parents being broke all the time, but when he died, it nearly destroyed both of my parents. He killed himself in 2006, and my mother still cries on a daily basis, even though she has two new grandbabies to keep her company. It nearly destroyed me, too. He killed himself exactly 4 months after I was raped, and I could barely handle myself... I did most of the planning for his funeral because my mother was too destroyed to do so.
Your friends and family would miss you. It may sound hokey, but watch the movie "It's a Wonderful Life." The reason why it has had such longevity is because its true... every person touches someone in some way, and every person is missed when they are gone. You are not a coward for not taking your life... it takes courage to be scared and depressed and lonely but to get up and face the day anyway. You really should think about talking to someone... call a helpline, or, hell, even call the local rape crisis center and ask them who you should talk to... they'll do whatever they can to help. Or, if you want to talk to a someone you don't know, I'd be more than happy to give you my email, facebook, or even phone number (regardless of whether or not admin would ban me) because you really need to talk to someone about this before it builds up and festers worse in you...
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Only cowards kill them selves and others. There's no good reason in the world to do such a thing but many come up with plenty of reasons. Still I know there is no good enough reason, no matter how bad things can get... hope and faith saves us from all evil and our selves. we are made to fight all odds and defeat all battles of the soul thats why our minds have no limitations into thoughts.
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I have felt like I wanted to die when I was younger, but it wasn't about being a coward and I don't think it would have been brave. When you are hurting emotionally you just want it to stop. For that period of time, I just felt weak as if I didn't have control of my life and didn't have the power to change it. Fortunately I just cried it out, prayed and got over it because, honestly, I really didn't want to die.
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A person is not in their right mind when thinking or committing such an act upon oneself. My childhood friend killed herself a little over a month ago. Such deep depression. Is this cowardly im sorry but I say NO. Im also not condoning it in any way. But like I said someone is not in a right state of mind to commit such an act. And we as people should not judge what we cannot understand. My friend left behind two beautiful children in which I know she loved them with all her heart and soul. Again what was going through her mind we will never know. But theory is more powerful than judgement. If a person thinks of this act they are truly in so much turmoil that honestly they are not thinking for themselves. Do I or her family or friends hate her for this NO. All of us wish we could have done something.
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I love this poem and it really touches my heart, and yes I am still young and I wanted to kill myself once but I never tryed though because I wasn't brave enough to do it because deep down inside oof me I wanted to continue living. I didn't want to for friends or family because I don't think it will affect them that much, and I'm one less mouth to feed for my parents.
Yeah that goes back to the question though, is it a bravely or cowardly thing to do? Because I was a coward and didn't do it, and deep down in my heart I wish everyone who has commited suicude was a coward and didn't do it either D8
Speaking as a parent... we yell, we punish, and we're pretty bad natured at times... but if your parents are even remotely like me, they love you, and even though they probably complain about money, they would rather be homeless than to not have you in their world. I've seen my parents, after my brother killed himself. He thought he was a burden, that he was just contributing to my parents being broke all the time, but when he died, it nearly destroyed both of my parents. He killed himself in 2006, and my mother still cries on a daily basis, even though she has two new grandbabies to keep her company. It nearly destroyed me, too. He killed himself exactly 4 months after I was raped, and I could barely handle myself... I did most of the planning for his funeral because my mother was too destroyed to do so.
Your friends and family would miss you. It may sound hokey, but watch the movie "It's a Wonderful Life." The reason why it has had such longevity is because its true... every person touches someone in some way, and every person is missed when they are gone. You are not a coward for not taking your life... it takes courage to be scared and depressed and lonely but to get up and face the day anyway. You really should think about talking to someone... call a helpline, or, hell, even call the local rape crisis center and ask them who you should talk to... they'll do whatever they can to help. Or, if you want to talk to a someone you don't know, I'd be more than happy to give you my email, facebook, or even phone number (regardless of whether or not admin would ban me) because you really need to talk to someone about this before it builds up and festers worse in you...
You truly are a sweet person!!
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I love this poem and it really touches my heart, and yes I am still young and I wanted to kill myself once but I never tryed though because I wasn't brave enough to do it because deep down inside oof me I wanted to continue living. I didn't want to for friends or family because I don't think it will affect them that much, and I'm one less mouth to feed for my parents.
Yeah that goes back to the question though, is it a bravely or cowardly thing to do? Because I was a coward and didn't do it, and deep down in my heart I wish everyone who has commited suicude was a coward and didn't do it either D8
Speaking as a parent... we yell, we punish, and we're pretty bad natured at times... but if your parents are even remotely like me, they love you, and even though they probably complain about money, they would rather be homeless than to not have you in their world. I've seen my parents, after my brother killed himself. He thought he was a burden, that he was just contributing to my parents being broke all the time, but when he died, it nearly destroyed both of my parents. He killed himself in 2006, and my mother still cries on a daily basis, even though she has two new grandbabies to keep her company. It nearly destroyed me, too. He killed himself exactly 4 months after I was raped, and I could barely handle myself... I did most of the planning for his funeral because my mother was too destroyed to do so.
Your friends and family would miss you. It may sound hokey, but watch the movie "It's a Wonderful Life." The reason why it has had such longevity is because its true... every person touches someone in some way, and every person is missed when they are gone. You are not a coward for not taking your life... it takes courage to be scared and depressed and lonely but to get up and face the day anyway. You really should think about talking to someone... call a helpline, or, hell, even call the local rape crisis center and ask them who you should talk to... they'll do whatever they can to help. Or, if you want to talk to a someone you don't know, I'd be more than happy to give you my email, facebook, or even phone number (regardless of whether or not admin would ban me) because you really need to talk to someone about this before it builds up and festers worse in you...
You truly are a sweet person!!
Thank you, but I wasn't looking for a compliment... someone who really needs to talk to someone should have that available. If I can help prevent someone from taking their life like my brother did, I will do all I can. Suicide hurts the ones that are left behind. Its been four years, and I still feel the pain on a daily basis.
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if yoru down and out i suggest you listen to will's wisdom...
he has alot of insights that can get you motivated only if you try...
dont ever give up on your life.. never..
you where born here for a reason.. it should never be wasted... think about it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8YzsTBLZqY&feature=related
just watch it its admirable
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Self serving and selfish is what I hear. You don't see that there is a problem beyond what a person want compared to , it's all they see or think. Emotional pain has gone passed the point you can take. You are numb and what you or other think is the last think on your mind. This is just shows that is part of a illness (depression, manic-depression). Trust me 90% of the people who kill themselves did not want to die.
I think instead of judging them,try to help them cuz if not your judgement is part of the problem.
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it depends but i think if you kill yourself because your being bullied or whatever, that's pretty cowardly....but if you do it like a samurai then that's kind of cool and they use to see that as honorable