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This was sent to me and I just wanted to share it on here. It regards the question of Obama's birthplace and where he is trying to lead America; and the response of "We the People.." to him directly.
According to you tube, there have been 6 million hits in 4 days. It is definitely well-put!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVAhr4hZDJE
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Thanks for posting the video. I DO NOT believe anything or anyone is going to change Obama and his agenda to DESTROY this country. With the exception of a bullet between the eyes, and that will never happen. If it did the race riots would destroy what is left of the country.
We are in such a mess right now that the only hope this country has is God. God said-----If my people-----that are called by my name----will repent of their sins-----humble themselves and pray---I WILLL heal their land !!!!!
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Yes, Obama's agenda is to DESTROY this country.
He certainly has flaws, but you two are deranged. Tell me, how much Fox News/Glenn Beck/Limbaugh/etc do you consume on a daily basis?
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Yes, Obama's agenda is to DESTROY this country.
He certainly has flaws, but you two are deranged. Tell me, how much Fox News/Glenn Beck/Limbaugh/etc do you consume on a daily basis?
Deranged? That's a pretty strong word for one poster who simply posted a video, and one that gave their opinion. It appears that you agree what Obama is up to, so why the name calling? No one called you a name. You also seem pretty familiar with Fox News/Glenn Beck/Limbaugh/etc., yourself......... ???
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When I see ignorant opinions, I call them out. You missed the sarcasm in my first sentence evidently. And it's common knowledge that Fox/Beck/Limbaugh/etc are nothing more than base liars who are only concerned with 1) their own profits 2) doing anything to help Republicans.
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This was sent to me and I just wanted to share it on here. It regards the question of Obama's birthplace and where he is trying to lead America; and the response of "We the People.." to him directly.
According to you tube, there have been 6 million hits in 4 days. It is definitely well-put!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=JVAhr4hZDJE&vq=medium#t=19
This site is SPEWING in IGNORANCE! Ignorance begets Ignorance!
OPEN YOUR EYES!!!!
Are you all blind that video is everything that the President wants for the people the only reason you guys are ranting is because it is it has been twisted around to make it look like the President is against the American people. For example, Right now, he is trying to extend the Bush tax cuts not in the original form in which it is to give the rich tax cuts but to give the MIDDLE CLASS & LOWER EARNING people the tax cuts. Us, the people with little or no money. Thanks to those who voted for the Republicans we the middle class & lower will not receive those tax cuts that had been denied us for years. The Republicans want to give tax cuts to everybody including the Rich. The Rich who have benefiting from this for years. The in video the people want change but it is the Republicans that don't want change. They like just the way it is. The President wants change but how can we change when the Republicans block every effort that the President is trying. If you hurt the President you are only hurting yourself. You may not see that now but you will. And you have only yourself to blame.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVAhr4hZDJE
jcribb-- could u replace this link in your original post? It has the comments below the vid so people here can read them.
This site is SPEWING in IGNORANCE! Ignorance begets Ignorance!
OPEN YOUR EYES!!!!
Agreed. Thanks for posting this tant and jcribb. I have a lot of difficulties with Obama, but saying he's out to destroy this country is the sign of complete ignorance and unwillingness to educate oneself. He is trying to fix a lot of problems, but because he's not a miracle worker and can't fix everything that's going to take decades to fix within his term, people think he's a phony or a evil socialist or something. He is trying to cut taxes for the middle and lower classes, but the republicans rejected that idea ( http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/12/04/senate-dems-seeking-weaken-gop-force-doomed-vote-tax-cut-plans/ ) You people have every right to badmouth him, but atleast educate yourself when you do.
As far as him dividing the country massively, no. It has always been divided politically. This is nothing new imo. And considering the alternative with the flipflopping tool and the mentally challenged alaskan *bleep*, we're a lot better off. http://www.mediaite.com/online/sarah-palin-confuses-whos-on-our-side-in-northsouth-korea/
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Wow, that is quite a mouthful, tantricia! No one has ranted anything on here but you and jaymz jumping on the 2 posters in here. I don't mind exchanging views/debating, but it's very obvious that you two are not wanting to discuss any of this with an open mind. You would rather "beat us to a pulp" because you both say we are "blind, ignorant, and deranged." No one called either one of you that for your differing views, and I won't play that game with you. You have your views, and I have mine. I was hoping to get to the "nitty gritty" of some of the points made in the video and discuss/debate them, but alas, and sadly, I guess not.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVAhr4hZDJE
jcribb-- could u replace this link in your original post? It has the comments below the vid so people here can read them.
Thanks Falconer, I had both because I had gone to you tube through my login, and still pasted the other one. Sorry about that.
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When I see ignorant opinions, I call them out. You missed the sarcasm in my first sentence evidently. And it's common knowledge that Fox/Beck/Limbaugh/etc are nothing more than base liars who are only concerned with 1) their own profits 2) doing anything to help Republicans.
We differ in opinion here. The news people or stations you would rather listen to are no different than the ones I listen to, in that the news is being presented. The problems and questions involve how both sides are accused of either being too liberal and slanted in their news, or too conservative and slanted in their news. I so agree that both sides are apt to be more biased in letting their personal "views" interfere in their presenting of the "news" itself. I'm open to hearing both sides. I try to sift through both sides and find what the truth is.
I also try to follow exactly what the administration is doing/not doing and there are definitely some great things they are doing. At the same time, overall, I just don't believe that he is justified in where he is trying to lead our country. And the people are speaking out about it, as they/we should do. We don't need more government controlling our lives.
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All right then jcribb16, what news people/stations do you listen to?
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I do like Fox News as a whole (includes national and international news, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck, etc.), and Radio Talk News with Rush Limbaugh, and also Mark Levine. I also listen to CNN, MSNBC, ABC News, National Public Radio (NPR), and CBS News. There are others, but those are some of the main ones. There's enough between any and all of them to find the hopeful fair and right balance.
And, you, Jamyz, what news people/stations do you listen to?
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This was sent to me and I just wanted to share it on here. It regards the question of Obama's birthplace and where he is trying to lead America; and the response of "We the People.." to him directly.
According to you tube, there have been 6 million hits in 4 days. It is definitely well-put!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=JVAhr4hZDJE&vq=medium#t=19
This site is SPEWING in IGNORANCE! Ignorance begets Ignorance!
OPEN YOUR EYES!!!!
Are you all blind that video is everything that the President wants for the people the only reason you guys are ranting is because it is it has been twisted around to make it look like the President is against the American people. For example, Right now, he is trying to extend the Bush tax cuts not in the original form in which it is to give the rich tax cuts but to give the MIDDLE CLASS & LOWER EARNING people the tax cuts. Us, the people with little or no money. Thanks to those who voted for the Republicans we the middle class & lower will not receive those tax cuts that had been denied us for years. The Republicans want to give tax cuts to everybody including the Rich. The Rich who have benefiting from this for years. The in video the people want change but it is the Republicans that don't want change. They like just the way it is. The President wants change but how can we change when the Republicans block every effort that the President is trying. If you hurt the President you are only hurting yourself. You may not see that now but you will. And you have only yourself to blame.
Your ignorance on this topic really shines through with this post. At least with Jamyz I can have intelligent conversations and while we differ greatly in opinions on quite a bit of things we can at least see eye to eye on others.
Your problem is you have a blind love of all things democrat and all things Obama. Your posts show nothing but that. I've tried in past posts to show you this however; you only ignore them and then come and talk about people being ignorant.
The wealthiest 1 percent of the population earn 19 percent of the income but pay 37 percent of the income tax. The top 10 percent pay 68 percent of the tab. Meanwhile, the bottom 50 percent—those below the median income level—now earn 13 percent of the income but pay just 3 percent of the taxes. Also, usually when it comes time for tax returns, the lowest taxed persons receive back the highest amount back, and some don't pay any in taxes at all.
What you're not seeing nor are you even I think considering is capital gains and death tax which are included in these tax cuts. Capital gains is the same across the board regardless of income status. Sell some stock? Capital gains. Cash in on Bonds? Capital gains. Cash out an IRA / 401k / Mutual fund? Capital gains. Die? Your estate will be taxed at 55%. ALL OF THESE ARE INCLUDED IN THIS TAX PLAN
That's where this big outrage is coming from because guess what, you don't have to be rich for any of these things to apply to you.
As far as "Destroy the Country" I have my own conspiracy theroies on that and I don't think it's a R or D that's behind it. I seriously think we're trying to have a One World Government. A unification and a one world economy which I think will do more to harm than anything else.
Jaymz, you and I have talked about this before but seriously both sides of media are in it for their own gain. Regardless of what they are. Fox or MSNBC or CNN or HLN. They go to their base and they have thier own demograhics they try to run in and they do it strictly for ratings. I see zero difference in the ilk and garbage that Beck and Hannity spew from what Olbermann and Matthews vomit. One is right and the other is left. They do it for ratings and wow factor, but seriously you can't condemn one without condemning the other because there is honestly really no difference in between the two.
Levine is a warmongering neocon. PS. Him and his idiot friends are nothing more than just pro war, pro big warmachine, pro big government, but in a different way. Palin is the exact same. Please stop listening to them and then saying Oh man they really hate government. Creating more war is nothing more than creating big government. It's coming to the same end but with a different means of getting to that end.
Cutting taxes works if you slash the crap out of government and government programs. If you want all of these programs then taxes have to go up, it's a very simple math. Thing is, our government is spending more then they take in and until we either fix one or the other we're going to be in this problem. Things though really won't get fixed though until we go through like they say in sports "a rebuilding year". Both sides working together to actually fix the problems. I'm very open to both sides working together but both sides would need to sacrafice in order to have that happen. End the social welfare programs and end wars and we'd be swimming in money again. Stop bailing out banks and auto companies and everyone else. Let the free market actually work the way it's supposed to and it would get this, actually work. By forcing countless rules on some but allowing others (AIG comes to mind) to gamble with tax money and be bailed out if it screws up won't fix anything.
Get the union control and other lobbying orgainizations out of Washington. K street shouldn't be allowed to be a multibillion a year cash cow for industries. Unions shouldn't be allowed to donate to pac's nor should they be allowed to control so much they bankrupt states. I'm looking at you California, New York, MA, and your out of absolute control union contracts that have bankrupted the state to a point of almost no return.
All in all, debating and discussion inherently means the ability to at least listen to other peoples point of view and not calling them an idiot if you just don't agree with them. So far, it's actually pretty good going save a few people here that can't seem to grasp that simple concept.
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Thank you, mattymatt, for sharing and saying what you said and how you said it. I just appreciate the fact that there are people who can take a topic and actually discuss the pros and cons of the situation at hand without name calling and put-downs. We may not agree on every aspect, but breaking them down and looking at them from all angles is what debate is all about.
There are so many issues at hand with Obama. I definitely agree with you on the One World Order/Government trying to come. Even the United Nations (several members) have hinted at this as part of their agenda. Like you said, that would most likely do more harm than anything else.
I have heard today that Obama would probably agree to extend Bush's tax cuts, but only if unemployment benefits were extended as well. There are some really deserving people who would benefit from either side, but there are a lot of people receiving unemployment with no desire to go back and work at a job even though they could.
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I do like Fox News as a whole (includes national and international news, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck, etc.), and Radio Talk News with Rush Limbaugh, and also Mark Levine. I also listen to CNN, MSNBC, ABC News, National Public Radio (NPR), and CBS News. There are others, but those are some of the main ones. There's enough between any and all of them to find the hopeful fair and right balance.
And, you, Jamyz, what news people/stations do you listen to?
I get my news from various online sources. The mainstream media is corrupt, so they're no good. Fox/Beck/Limbaugh exist only to push a Republican point of view, facts be damned.
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Thank you, mattymatt, for sharing and saying what you said and how you said it. I just appreciate the fact that there are people who can take a topic and actually discuss the pros and cons of the situation at hand without name calling and put-downs. We may not agree on every aspect, but breaking them down and looking at them from all angles is what debate is all about.
There are so many issues at hand with Obama. I definitely agree with you on the One World Order/Government trying to come. Even the United Nations (several members) have hinted at this as part of their agenda. Like you said, that would most likely do more harm than anything else.
I have heard today that Obama would probably agree to extend Bush's tax cuts, but only if unemployment benefits were extended as well. There are some really deserving people who would benefit from either side, but there are a lot of people receiving unemployment with no desire to go back and work at a job even though they could.
And if I read correctly, that's exactly what happened. But unfortunately for the people that are receiving unemployment it's going to dry up again. And then get extended and then dry up again. It's a loop that we've put ourselves into and another example as to why keynesisim is worthless.
We as a country is over spending and this is just another example of that by extending, yet tax cutting. Thing is, with what looks like zero job growth to actually provide real stimulus to the economy, what good really was it that unemployment was increased? You've put a band aid on what needed a tourniquet and unfortunately it won't actually fix anything. Am I against people getting unemployment benefits? No, but seriously, teach a man to fish needs to actually start happening. Stimulus and TARP have done nothing but spend more and more money and have the exact same result. And if you believe that unemployment is only at 9% you're very very wrong. It doesn't include people who have stopped looking for work.
PS no I don't want the government to do a damn thing honestly, I was super excited when it looked like they might not pass a budget and shut down. Oh wait, according to some that's not wanting the president to succeed and then I'm a racist or something along those lines. Oh wait that makes me ignorant and dumb and an idiot right Tantricia?
I don't really know though why I bother, you won't even read this and if you do it'll be replied to with something along those lines as written before.
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No, but seriously, teach a man to fish needs to actually start happening. Stimulus and TARP have done nothing but spend more and more money and have the exact same result. And if you believe that unemployment is only at 9% you're very very wrong. It doesn't include people who have stopped looking for work.
Matt, by "teach a man to fish," do you mean that unemployed people should just suck it up and go find a job?
I'll wait for your clarification, but for now I'll just say this: I'm dead-positive most unemployed people would love to get a job, but the jobs just aren't out there. Sure, a college-educated person with years of experience could go get a low-paying job at a department store, but let's be honest: we need REAL jobs. Corporate profits are as high as they've ever been, but that's not translating into good, decent-paying jobs.
The stimulus has had some positive results, but hasn't been enough. Why? It was too small, and included too many tax cuts (which Republicans demanded.)
TARP infuriates me so much that I can't make an objective, rational argument for or against. All I know is that the banksters who decimated the economy need to go to jail, but our politicians are so beholden to them that not only do they avoid jail time, their bonuses are bigger than ever.
Re: unemployment > 9% due to people who have given up looking- totally agree.
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Re: unemployment > 9% due to people who have given up looking- totally agree.
Don't forget the people who have either run out of benefits or who just flat out do not qualify. The unemployment rate reported is only the amount of people receiving benefits.
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No, but seriously, teach a man to fish needs to actually start happening. Stimulus and TARP have done nothing but spend more and more money and have the exact same result. And if you believe that unemployment is only at 9% you're very very wrong. It doesn't include people who have stopped looking for work.
Matt, by "teach a man to fish," do you mean that unemployed people should just suck it up and go find a job?
I'll wait for your clarification, but for now I'll just say this: I'm dead-positive most unemployed people would love to get a job, but the jobs just aren't out there. Sure, a college-educated person with years of experience could go get a low-paying job at a department store, but let's be honest: we need REAL jobs. Corporate profits are as high as they've ever been, but that's not translating into good, decent-paying jobs.
The stimulus has had some positive results, but hasn't been enough. Why? It was too small, and included too many tax cuts (which Republicans demanded.)
TARP infuriates me so much that I can't make an objective, rational argument for or against. All I know is that the banksters who decimated the economy need to go to jail, but our politicians are so beholden to them that not only do they avoid jail time, their bonuses are bigger than ever.
Re: unemployment > 9% due to people who have given up looking- totally agree.
I think I’d have less problems with the Stimulus if it actually was stimulating something instead of just how do I word this, dumb *bleep*… Like the signs being used for road work, I’m sure that cost money why was that needed. The fact that it’s been used for such things like building a turtle tunnel and millions were spent on it pisses me off.
What I meant by “teach a man to fish” is like say in NH, they’re using the stimulus money to help people of lesser means go and get some sort of vocational training, I think that’s a GREAT use of the money, it’s reinvestment and I’d rather read stories like that then paying for hookers to get STD treatment or tunnels for turtles or big *bleep* signs saying “This road project paid for with stimulus money” my taxes already are supposed to go to roads, it’s included in what I pay each and every month, why the hell are we using stimulus money for it? Also, the mismanagement of the stimulus pisses me off entirely; we have people that are elected into office that can’t even tell where the money went. Monies have gone to areas that don’t even actually exist. If they don’t exist, where the hell is my money? I paid for it; it should have the oversight of a fine toothed comb. I mean it had some initiatives in it that were potentially great, like the college and pell grants available, but here’s the thing, if colleges weren’t subsidized in the first place, wouldn’t education be more affordable by allowing those super top tier education establishments to charge what they want, and everything else be more affordable? It’s the same problem with the health insurance industry.
As far as tarp, it pisses me off and the more and more and more I read about it, the more I get upset. People continually talk about Bush and his ties with Oil, well the more I read about Tarp, it was the same thing, Obama’s cabinet is full of people that should be in jail from AIG and Goldmann Sachs, however; they were given high paying cabinet jobs after betting our money and then if losing, they were just reimbursed by the taxpayers. Why in the hell they were bailed out is beyond me. It’s done nothing more than give these idiots more gambling money; our money. They should be in jail, if you or I ran a ponzi scheme like this we would be, yet, they were rewarded.
Going back to the “teach a man to fish”; my friend works for an unemployment office in NY. The stories he’s told me of the lengths people go through to not have a job and continue on unemployment benefits is downright hysterical, if they’d go through these steps to find a job, maybe there would be less unemployment. Maybe it’s because I live in Northern Virginia, where the unemployment is only around 6.5 to 7%, but there are countless places hiring. I see signs almost everywhere, hell my company alone is looking for three well qualified persons right now and we’ve only had six people apply total, the job rec has been open for 29 days and we’re listed on all of the major job boards and our recruiters are telling us no one is applying. All three positions pay between 60 and 70k but we can’t find people to fill them. Do I think there are people actively looking for work and not finding it? Yes, I have friends that have been unemployed for almost a year; do I think something should be done for them? Of course I do, but here’s the thing, the banks that were bailed out with our money are supposed to be making these small business loans are not making them. If a business cannot get the money, how can they employee people? It’s a very vicious cycle and it’s just continually being perpetuated by the same banks that we bailed out, yet still completely in business and still making millions if not billions of dollars. The banks got theirs; it still hasn’t came back to the individual. Which goes back to TARP and how it’s royally screwed us in the long run totally, if TARP hadn’t happened and these idiots were in jail like you and I both feel they should be one could say that stimulus might not have had to happen the way it did?
I’m not trying to blame Obama for all of this nor Bush, I’m blaming policies enacted by our governing powers and I think both the current and previous administrations have put us into the giant crap sandwich. Thing is, Obama has had multiple opportunities to actually fix it, and I think it could easily be fixed by one simple thing. Ending the unconstitutional wars. Thing is though, he’s as much to blame for them happening as the next guy. Had the senate had some *bleep*, they would have stepped in and used the power given to them by the constitution to put a stop to it before even happening. They had the power Democrats especially had the power and they didn’t use it. So democrats who continuously say this is 100% Bush’s fault either A: have far too much love of the democrat party, or B: are just so indoctrinated in everything that the media gives them. I say this as a former Marine, one who was on active duty at the time. By ending the war you can effectively slash the absolute *bleep* out of the defense budget and blam… we have money for years just by that simple act alone.
By the way, I enjoy these discussions with you and Amy, while we agree probably on very little, it's always a very good discussion with well thought out posts and zero name calling, even if we disagree, I still very much respect the opinions shared.
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You make excellent points here. Regarding the unemployment, there is one thing that irks me. Example: Right here in our own little town, there are groups of people that we see when we are all going to work, and back from work. These groups sit outside all day, gabbing away, drinking, and/or smoking. Most of the ones in the group are on either disability or unemployment. The problem with it, is that these people (most) have nothing wrong with them. Some have been heard to say "This is my job," or "Why should I have to worry - I've got it made," etc. Thoses are the ones who mess up the system and to me, they should be made to check in with someone (doctor,...), or have the unemployment expire so they have to get out there and find something. As long as these type of people get away with this, it takes away from the people who really deserve disability and/or unemployment. Not to mention, helping to pull the economy down, instead of boosting it.
Sorry, if I've rambled on. I can't seem to express exactly what and how I want to say it, today. It's just something that really bothers me.
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hahahaha couldnt resist...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_454056.html
for the record... I am not a Bush fan
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I have such a hard time with so many people I have seen getting disability or unemployment, although, sometimes I feel like I shouldn't say much since I'm currently receiving unemployment from my stint with the Census this past summer. My mother works 9-5 everyday, and she can barely walk into the office where she works and is hooked up to an oxygen concentrator because she can't breathe without it. She has carpal tunnel in one hand and Keinboch's in the other, and she is a worker's comp/personal injury/disability paralegal. On the other hand, I know a young person who claims agoraphobia and receives disability for it. It blows my mind.
Then there is the case of my father, who has been on unemployment since December of 2008. He has been trying desperately since then to try to find another job, been to countless interviews, but everything seems to fall through the cracks. He's been depressed and feeling worthless because he can't find another job. He babysat for me while I was working with the Census, but right now my husband and I are without a car because it would cost more than the vehicle is worth to fix it, and we cannot afford to buy another one.
The problem with the situation is this: there are many who abuse the system, and there are many who are struggling and trying to work within the system, who don't even want the unemployment or disability in the first place, but to refuse it would be almost suicide. If I were to turn down the unemployment and go back to substitute teaching, I would most likely need to put my child in daycare or pay my father to watch her since he will be without an unemployment check very soon, and then I would be bringing home less than what my unemployment check is. Same thing if I were to find a minimum wage job. So, what can we do? I know too many people who are taking advantage of the system, and not looking for work... but I also know people on the other side of the coin. And believe me, MattyMatt, if I lived where you did and I was qualified, I'd be applying for a job with your place of employment in a heartbeat!
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I just don't understand nun of it. Something needs to change.
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I just don't understand nun of it. Something needs to change.
Actually, your profile name is very suitable to how we can help to straighten out this situation: "2getherwewin!"
amyrouse: That is not something fun you are going through, for sure. I just hope things will work out for the better for your dad as well as for you. You are doing what you must do, at this point, instead of what you may want to do. I applaud you for not giving up, and in the process, helping to encourage your dad and not let him give up.
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"What I meant by “teach a man to fish” is like say in NH, they’re using the stimulus money to help people of lesser means go and get some sort of vocational training"
Huh, I wasn't aware of that- sounds like a good idea to me.
"As far as tarp, it pisses me off and the more and more and more I read about it, the more I get upset. People continually talk about Bush and his ties with Oil, well the more I read about Tarp, it was the same thing, Obama’s cabinet is full of people that should be in jail from AIG and Goldmann Sachs, however; they were given high paying cabinet jobs after betting our money and then if losing, they were just reimbursed by the taxpayers. Why in the hell they were bailed out is beyond me. It’s done nothing more than give these idiots more gambling money; our money. They should be in jail, if you or I ran a ponzi scheme like this we would be, yet, they were rewarded."
To be fair, TARP was Bush thing, but yes, Obama's people have ties to the big banks and Wall Street too. That's how our government works- people from those instituions come to the government, make policies that benefit those institutions, and then return to those institutions after they leave government. It's corruption plain and simple, doesn't matter if Dems or Rethugs are in charge. The system is broken.
"I’m not trying to blame Obama for all of this nor Bush, I’m blaming policies enacted by our governing powers and I think both the current and previous administrations have put us into the giant crap sandwich. Thing is, Obama has had multiple opportunities to actually fix it, and I think it could easily be fixed by one simple thing. Ending the unconstitutional wars. Thing is though, he’s as much to blame for them happening as the next guy. Had the senate had some *bleep*, they would have stepped in and used the power given to them by the constitution to put a stop to it before even happening. They had the power Democrats especially had the power and they didn’t use it. So democrats who continuously say this is 100% Bush’s fault either A: have far too much love of the democrat party, or B: are just so indoctrinated in everything that the media gives them. I say this as a former Marine, one who was on active duty at the time. By ending the war you can effectively slash the absolute *bleep* out of the defense budget and blam… we have money for years just by that simple act alone. "
One of my biggest gripes with Obama is that he said he'd change stuff like this. Silly me to believe him. We needed bold leadership after the Bush debacle but Obama is too busy trying to compromise with Republicans who have no desire to negotiate in good fatih. And don't even get me started on the worhtless Senate- that thing needs to be abolished.
Does anyne else have a hard time writing long relies in this forum? My reply window only takes a certain amount of text before it starts jumping everywhere- very hard to proofread and just plain annoying.
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Yes, if I know I'm going to be writing a lot, I just open up Word and type in there and then copy to here. The window I think has a very tiny buffer in how it lets you type.
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Oh and you're right TARP was totally Bush, I wasn't blaming Obama for TARP, just that his cabinet is filled completely with bailed out bankers. You're right though the revolving door and greased palm is what pisses me off.
And then reading an article today on huffpost, how the freshman senators and congressman are already hiring K Street lobbyists to fill their staff... seriously just more of the same and nothing more to see here. Get lobbyists and unions out of elections and we'd see a governence for the people by the people.
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And don't forget, corporations can now spend as much money as they want on elections because, thanks to our "conservative" Supreme Court, corporations are now people too!
I honestly don't know how anything can be fixed. The system is so corrupt that change will have to come from outside it, but the American people are so lazy/misinformed/uncaring/what-have-you that I don't think we'll ever reach the proverbial tipping point. I can honestly see myself moving to another country for good in the not too distant future, especially if Social Security gets destroyed (and that's coming, believe me.)
Ugh.
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And don't forget, corporations can now spend as much money as they want on elections because, thanks to our "conservative" Supreme Court, corporations are now people too!
I honestly don't know how anything can be fixed. The system is so corrupt that change will have to come from outside it, but the American people are so lazy/misinformed/uncaring/what-have-you that I don't think we'll ever reach the proverbial tipping point. I can honestly see myself moving to another country for good in the not too distant future, especially if Social Security gets destroyed (and that's coming, believe me.)
Ugh.
The thing about making change regarding a problem is that it is much like chopping down a tree. The bigger the tree, the more swings of the axe required. Most people now days have the mind set that if they can not down the tree with one or two swings, there is just no use picking up the axe. If they would just go to work during all the time they spend gripping about it, eventually the tree will come down. Step away from the key board people....and pick up that axe!!!
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You make excellent points here. Regarding the unemployment, there is one thing that irks me. Example: Right here in our own little town, there are groups of people that we see when we are all going to work, and back from work. These groups sit outside all day, gabbing away, drinking, and/or smoking. Most of the ones in the group are on either disability or unemployment. The problem with it, is that these people (most) have nothing wrong with them. Some have been heard to say "This is my job," or "Why should I have to worry - I've got it made," etc. Thoses are the ones who mess up the system and to me, they should be made to check in with someone (doctor,...), or have the unemployment expire so they have to get out there and find something. As long as these type of people get away with this, it takes away from the people who really deserve disability and/or unemployment. Not to mention, helping to pull the economy down, instead of boosting it.
Sorry, if I've rambled on. I can't seem to express exactly what and how I want to say it, today. It's just something that really bothers me.
This is sort of similiar to the behavior I'm seeing here and it bothers me too. People actually get foodstamps so they can use their own cash for the necessities in life such as: alcohol, cigarettes, energy shots & energy drinks and lottery tickets. SERIOUSLY? :BangHead:
You are so right, Sheryl! It boggles my mind how they continue to get away with it. There should be some kind of system when the food stamps are actually being used, to block or not be allowed to get certain things, like you mentioned above. I have a neighbor on food stamps and she only gets things that are actually needed. Yet she'll see others going through getting things like the above mentioned and they are allowed to get them. It just doesn't make sense.
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I do have a few thoughts on what I have read. As a moderate conservative. I can agree with a lot of the points raised. However the path we have been on for the last 2 years is certainly not the right one. So with that here are my opening thoughts:
1. Tax cuts and unemployment - it's going to happen and it has to happen. It's pure economics. If you don't have money, you can't spend money. If you can't spend money then those things that you would buy don't need to exist so somebody else doesn't have to spend money to make them or give a job to somebody to make them. If you raise taxes or don't extend unemployment then folks won't have money. Do you see the cycle here?. Having said that, maybe there should be some kind of condition on the benefits. community service etc something along those lines
2. tarp/stimulus/bailouts - It's a known fact that to make money, you have to spend money. The problem here isn't that the money was spent' but the fact that it was spent foolishly. Alot of it was pure dog and pony show waste.
3. Government programs - The fact of the matter is they need to be gutted. By that I mean those that don't work need to go away and those that work need the screws put to them to get rid of the fraud and the abuse. Nobody wants to be a whistle blower anymore and settles into the "it's not my problem" mentality.
In closing though I would have to say. I don't blaim bush or for that matter I don't blaim obama either. Both are having to deal with situations way beyond their control. In fact I think about 90% of the problem lies with the American people. Somewhere in the last 100 years, the lines between what is a right and what is a privilege has blurred and too few are willing to stand up and take responsibility for whats going on. Our system of government is based on checks and balances, But the ultimate check and balance is you and me. the citizens of this great country. If we are willing to sit back and not become involved, then current crisis will continue until we reach the end of days.
Val
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3. Government programs - The fact of the matter is they need to be gutted. By that I mean those that don't work need to go away and those that work need the screws put to them to get rid of the fraud and the abuse. Nobody wants to be a whistle blower anymore and settles into the "it's not my problem" mentality.
Val, would you include "defense" spending along with other government programs?
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3. Government programs - The fact of the matter is they need to be gutted. By that I mean those that don't work need to go away and those that work need the screws put to them to get rid of the fraud and the abuse. Nobody wants to be a whistle blower anymore and settles into the "it's not my problem" mentality.
Val, would you include "defense" spending along with other government programs?
To an extent yes. Certainly not to the point where some would like, but frankly dod does waste alot of funding in the acquisition process. In some things it does well but for the most part it can do better. I'll admit I am strong on the side of national security and defense. frankly I want the rest of the world to understand 2 things. as a friend you'll find no better and as an enemy we are your worst nightmare. That means our military needs to be the best equipped, the best trained, and the fiercest dog in the yard. Both to make us safer and to make the life of the diplomats easier
Val
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I do have a few thoughts on what I have read. As a moderate conservative. I can agree with a lot of the points raised. However the path we have been on for the last 2 years is certainly not the right one. So with that here are my opening thoughts:
1. Tax cuts and unemployment - it's going to happen and it has to happen. It's pure economics. If you don't have money, you can't spend money. If you can't spend money then those things that you would buy don't need to exist so somebody else doesn't have to spend money to make them or give a job to somebody to make them. If you raise taxes or don't extend unemployment then folks won't have money. Do you see the cycle here?. Having said that, maybe there should be some kind of condition on the benefits. community service etc something along those lines
2. tarp/stimulus/bailouts - It's a known fact that to make money, you have to spend money. The problem here isn't that the money was spent' but the fact that it was spent foolishly. Alot of it was pure dog and pony show waste.
3. Government programs - The fact of the matter is they need to be gutted. By that I mean those that don't work need to go away and those that work need the screws put to them to get rid of the fraud and the abuse. Nobody wants to be a whistle blower anymore and settles into the "it's not my problem" mentality.
In closing though I would have to say. I don't blaim bush or for that matter I don't blaim obama either. Both are having to deal with situations way beyond their control. In fact I think about 90% of the problem lies with the American people. Somewhere in the last 100 years, the lines between what is a right and what is a privilege has blurred and too few are willing to stand up and take responsibility for whats going on. Our system of government is based on checks and balances, But the ultimate check and balance is you and me. the citizens of this great country. If we are willing to sit back and not become involved, then current crisis will continue until we reach the end of days.
Val
Well said. It is the people that choose to make this county. The American people have let greed be thier main focus. I pray daily for people's hearts to change. 2Cort 7:14
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Val, would you include "defense" spending along with other government programs?
Jaymz,
in my mind, defense cuts would be as follows.
End the wars right now and pull all combat and every other troop even involved with humanitary aid home. People love the UN so much, let them do something.
Close ALL of the bases in Japan, Korea, Germany, and GITMO. Sell the land back to the country that we've bought it from.
Stop sending humanitary aid to everyone in the world. Again, people seem to think the UN can do everything, prove that it actually can't and is an absolute worthless endevor.
Cut military spending across the board. Get rid of organizations like DHS. They're absolutely useless anyways. Why the hell is there an agency for this when we already have an active duty military that is supposed to protecting the homeland. Maybe if they weren't streached so damn thin, this would be unecessary.
Allow for better communications between agencys.
The savings alone could run every social program that the left wants, and the right would see a huge savings when it came to real actual tax breaks.
Val, it's been proven time and time again, Keynesism doesn't work. It hasn't ever worked and spending money to make money while true in some aspects, spending money works if you have money saved, which we don't have. Stimulus was spent out of money we didn't have, thus making it a fruitless expendeture.
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Matt,
I agree with practically all your points, I'm just not as anti-UN as you. Unfortunately, I'm sure you realize that due the immense power of the military-industrial complex, we'll never see solutions like what you proposed. Unless, of course, there's some massive upheaval.