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I just believe our economy is in such a fragile position right now and everyone wanted to make such a change in history to vote a black man however even though when he made his speeches and told up the things he was going to achieve we were all hoping he could achieve all of them with the prices of everything the taxes the healthcare system everything for the seniors disability etc... but to be honest he's been in the white house now for almost 4 years now and he's *bleep* is almost done i'm sure never voting him back in again he's done nothign he's planned on doing and in turn our economy has fell in debt more than 800 million dollars and how else are we going to be able to recover that that means its going to bite every one in the *bleep* with taxes and everyone that works and does what they are suppose to can barely even get by with the paychecks they get to put a roof over there head with the taxes they take out noone wants to raise the minimum hourly rate and noone wants to hire anyone its no wonder more people aren't on the streets you need to credit to do everything now a days but if you can't afford to pay anything how are you suppose to have a roof over your head food in you stomach let alone anything else now they are coming out with auto insurance are starting to do credit checks on you seriously like this is crazy they need to find another alternative besides a bus for transportation to help us out like transportation assistance if those that are on ebt foodstamps or medicaid that way they can get to work and back as it is it doesn't cost that much but it would help out a lot of people and now they are starting to makign others eligible for foodstamps now do drugs testing even though thats going to be really expensive i totally agree too many people are taking advantage of those benefits and everyone else is paying for it i hope all of you agree with me and together obama will be done after 2012 and we can put this country back together one step at a time
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First off, who else could have done better? Second, things like the oil spill in the gulf and actions in the middle east have delayed certain things. I agree the hype of "the first black president" contributed to his success, but how is he any different from any other politician when it comes to fulfilling promises? Obama has does as much good as possible with tea partyers constantly denying him everything he has tried to do. Obama has been so disrespected as a president, and if Republicans can't make nice in public, just imagine how they treat him off the record.
Obama is not destroying the country. He is attempting to fill the cracks Bush left. And there are lots of them. I'm not saying he has done a fantastic job as president, but who could have done better, and how should we expect him to get things done if Congress refuses to give a little bit?
I've never been a fan of partisanship, and this term is a perfect example of how politicians say "This is a more liberal bill. I say no," and vice versa.
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yes he is like alot like of others they......... lie
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he has done more to destory this country than any one else has done. I think he won't to be the king over us.
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he has done more to destory this country than any one else has done.
LOL Are you serious? That's a pretty BROAD statement. Surely you must be exaggerating just a little. Please elaborate.....
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Obama id doing what he can with what he got. If another person was president they would have failed more miserably.
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The worst President in history. A complete fraud. Now we are on the brink of financial disaster and his incompetence is out in the open for all to see. He spent $4 trillion of our dollars in 30 months and managed to raise the unemployment rate to 9.2%. Inflation is up. Energy prices are up. Property prices still falling. Commodities prices are up. real wages are falling. Food stamp consumption at an all time high. Etc, etc, etc...
Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago?
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The worst President in history. A complete fraud. Now we are on the brink of financial disaster and his incompetence is out in the open for all to see. He spent $4 trillion of our dollars in 30 months and managed to raise the unemployment rate to 9.2%. Inflation is up. Energy prices are up. Property prices still falling. Commodities prices are up. real wages are falling. Food stamp consumption at an all time high. Etc, etc, etc...
Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago?
This.
I'm sure President Obama is a pleasant man. I don't have anything against him personally. But you can see that he is out there trying to scare seniors and our military members. The law says that the government must pay for Social Security and military pay, and the money that pays for them has nothing to do with the debt ceiling. The August 2 deadline? It's made-up. Obama has a birthday party and campaign fundraiser the next day in Chicago. The Federal Reserve and government agencies now admit that we have at least two or three more months to find a solution without closing down the government. August 2 will come and go without the world ending. Do some research for yourselves, people.
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First off, who else could have done better? Second, things like the oil spill in the gulf and actions in the middle east have delayed certain things. I agree the hype of "the first black president" contributed to his success, but how is he any different from any other politician when it comes to fulfilling promises? Obama has does as much good as possible with tea partyers constantly denying him everything he has tried to do. Obama has been so disrespected as a president, and if Republicans can't make nice in public, just imagine how they treat him off the record.
Obama is not destroying the country. He is attempting to fill the cracks Bush left. And there are lots of them. I'm not saying he has done a fantastic job as president, but who could have done better, and how should we expect him to get things done if Congress refuses to give a little bit?
I've never been a fan of partisanship, and this term is a perfect example of how politicians say "This is a more liberal bill. I say no," and vice versa.
There was a BI-PARTISAN bill passed by the House a couple days ago. It had Republican and Democratic votes in the House. You might have heard of it-- it's called Cut, Cap and Balance. The Republicans voted to raise the debt ceiling in C,C & B. It went to the Senate, and Harry Reid used a Parliamentary trick to kill it. There was no debate allowed, no chance for amendment. If the Senate doesn't like the Balanced Budget Amendment which is along with it, they could argue against it and try to take it out. But it wasn't allowed to be debated, because it scares liberals to death that polls show that most Americans are in favor of our government restraining its massive spending binge. Do you want your government to end up like Amy Winehouse? (too soon?)
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The people destroying the country are ourselves, not one man. The sooner the whole country realizes that, the better. Even GWB didn't destroy it, tons of others did. Granted, he was an idiot and didn't do anything to fix the situation back then. However, I think we're in a slightly better spot than we were back in '08.
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If Congress and the Senate would stop fighting him and work with him things would get better. He took over a mess from the last Presidency and he is fighting an uphill battle to fix it. We are in this mess because of the past President. If you would check your history you would see that quite a few Presidents in their first term have had to fix the messes of the last President. I am proud we finally got over our racism enough to vote for a black president. I have lived with racism all my life because I am a minority (Native American) and it gives those of us who deal with racism a hope that we will prevail against racism.
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It's not him..its the government!
who agrees? :thumbsup:
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It's not him..its the government!
who agrees? :thumbsup:
I agree. It is a government that feels that it can spend money without regard to whether it should be spending that money or how it plans to pay for that spending. Whether that is because of a massive prescription drug program from the previous administration, a business-unfriendly energy plan of the current administration, or increased military spending by both administrations, government as a whole has just been spending our money recklessly.
The 8/2 deadline is not as bad as an actual default.... The government still takes in more money than it owes to its creditors; it just would mean that the treasury would have to prioritize whether to pay towards our debts or to pay other expenses without going above our current debt ceiling. A true default, on the other hand, is when the government cannot pay towards their debts let alone towards any other expenses. When the crediting agencies are warning about lowering our credit rating, it doesn't necessarily mean that we need to increase this debt-limit; if the treasury chooses to default on some loans in place of not paying other obligations, then the agency may lower our rating because of the strategic default. But the agencies are more concerned about the way the government is handling its finances as a whole. The chairman of the S&P made an announcement today indicating that this is the idea behind the warnings that we've been hearing lately. Even if we increase the debt limit but do nothing to curb our spending, the debt will continue to increase and the financial status of our country will continue to go downhill. It is this that the lending agencies are most worried about.
To help make this make sense, just think about your own credit score... Let's say that you had racked up a bunch of debt: a house mortgage, car payments, student loans, credit cards, etc. As long as you continue to pay towards these debts, your rating won't go down. However what happens if you start to incur a deficit in your finances; you have to take an unpaid leave of absence from work to deal with a death in your family. You may still have enough money to cover all of your debt (and thus wouldn't have to default on your loans), but you have other obligations that you also need to cover (eg food, gas, cable, other utilities, etc.) You may then need to get another loan to help with the short-term financial problems: take out a personal loan, get a second mortgage, ask for an increase in the credit limit of your current credit cards. This is how us people increase our debt limit. Now doing such an increase may put a small hit on your credit score, but as long as this is just a temporary deficit, it won't hurt you too much. But lets say that your deficit is incurred by spending more than you can afford: you go out to eat for all of your meals, you get a mortgage for a mansion, you party at the nightclubs, etc. And you continue to ask for debt-limit increases (again either by additional loans or by increasing the limits on the loans you currently have). Eventually the bank or credit card will look at your deficit spending and will drop your credit score as a result; even if you are somehow able to pay towards the debt you hold, your reckless spending will cause credit agencies to begin questioning whether you'll be able to do so in the future and thus will lower your credit rating as a result. When that happens you have to start seriously looking at your own spending habits and cut back on the wasteful spending, or go broke by defaulting on your loans.
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I think Alexism0m is crazy, you are so disrepectful he is President Obama and he is not destroying our country. The country is already destroyed by the past presidents (The Bushes). How in the world do YOU and everyone else expect him to clean up that pile of S_it they left behind, he cannot destroy the country, he is trying to fix it, but no one wants to help, they want him to fail as the first Black President. If I were him I would let you people have it and see how much better the country would be. There are jobs out there but they won't hire anyone so he can look bad. I say the He_ _ with it all.
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You people sound foolish to try and put everything on Obama. Do u think you could have done better? After all We would still be in a mess if Obama was not in office. You have got to be to kiddin me. This have been going on for years!!! Wake up!!! Let GOd be your provider and your source not Obama or the government.
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Sensitive subject matter, but you asked. Well, yes, based on my political philosophy I believe that anyone who has his political leanings would ruin the country if given the chance. What is never really clear to me is whether or not they are doing it intentionally or whether they just truly believe that their way is really going to be better for everyone.
My basic philosophy is very simple. Some people work hard and some people are lazy. If you take from those who work and give it to those who are lazy there is no incentive for the lazy people to change. Pretty soon the hard workers become discouraged and see no point in working hard so they become lazy. Pretty soon there is no one left to do the work so there will be poverty for everyone.
Now that is simplistic, but I believe it is a basic truth. Mr. Obama wants us all to have the same whether we work for it or not.
I agree that people fall on hard time sometimes through no fault of their own and that we always should take care of those people and the sick, elderly, handicaped, the weakest of our society. But I believe that people are basically good and that if you allow hard workers to keep more of what they earn they will provide voluntarily through charitable contributions and good will with very little need for the government to be involved.
Everything that has government involvement never works very efficient. Less government intrusion and involvement creates creative thinking and hard work. Spreading it around, as Obama thinks, creates a country of weak, lazy people with no hope for a better future.
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He was elected because he is the best for the job. First of all our country was in debt before Obama was elected into office and will be in debt long after he is out of office.This debt didnt just occur overnight it's been going on for years. I dont think it would have mattered who won the election we would still be facing the same problems and I believe he is doing the best considering he's been dealt a bad hand to start with.Read your history before you blame Obama !!
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YOU need to remember what President Obama walked into when he was elected.He had to follow in the shoes of one of the worst president sthis country has ever had.remember hes only human and the goverment only lets him do so much.
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YOU need to remember what President Obama walked into when he was elected.He had to follow in the shoes of one of the worst president sthis country has ever had.remember hes only human and the goverment only lets him do so much.
Get it straight, Obama is not destroying the country it's the people that don't support that are. People who refuse to go and spend to bring the economy back.
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Act as if you don't know the Bushes destroyed this country and Obama is in the unique spot to try and clean up the mess. This is so typical people like him always supposed to come behind and clean up.
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Act as if you don't know the Bushes destroyed this country and Obama is in the unique spot to try and clean up the mess. This is so typical people like him always supposed to come behind and clean up.
Im going to learn alot in this forum,nice to know how other people think :)
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if obama didnt destroy the country then who did, dont blame bush he didnt put has in a trillion dollar debt, he sent our troops over which obama said he would bring back but didnt, obama said he would go after the rich and now focusing on the low or middle class, if obama wanted to give money why not to the people instead of co. that keep it for themself, if obama was white i dont think he would of got elected its sad that our country has to voted for people for their color or sex, many years ago i drove for a car service, i was taking a lady to vote, she was voting for a lady for council women, she didnt even now her name, she told she going to vote for the women. i dont vote in my eyes all politions, lawyers judges are the real criminals
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Politics, it's interesting what people think. I just like to listen and observe.
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will not to get it worst or not to give it all to him but look at this point for our counrty as been destroy way befor obama got started working it out. we the people got our counrty the way it was befor we started working things out of it.plas he has got it along way from what it was to what it is now and going to little by little by ever day and week thro it getting work out andwork on more and more by obama,and the white house it self
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Im just so nervouse :dontknow: to see whats going to happen to this world!
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if obama didnt destroy the country then who did, dont blame bush he didnt put has in a trillion dollar debt
Serious? Do you live under a rock and been clueless for the last 10 years? Our country has been getting further in debt since the Clinton era. Obama was dealt the worst hand ever and it's gonna take some time to see improvements. Congress isn't doing him any favors with no one agreeing on anything and being stubborn to their perspective political parties. Things are not going to be fixed over night people. There wasn't a single person nominated who was a better choice then Obama at the time he was elected regardless of his race.
(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g260/prtee33/debt1.jpg)
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/07/another-chart-that-should-accompany-all-debt-ceiling-discussions/242604/
(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g260/prtee33/debt2.gif)
http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-cohn/92569/bush-obama-deficit-tax-cut-stimulus-health
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seriously, this whole mess can't be blamed on just one. I am not a fan of Obama but really, this mess took years of bad judgment, from the voters on up.
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Don't even get me started on Obama... I bet everyone who voted for him is very pleased with themselves!!
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I agree with you all the way on that note.
seriously, this whole mess can't be blamed on just one. I am not a fan of Obama but really, this mess took years of bad judgment, from the voters on up.
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First of all, I'd like to say is, I'm so glad that there soooo many Smart People in the FC Member forum? You know who you are depending on your response to this issue.I thought for a while that Americans are getting dumber & dumber to just eat up the crap that comes out of the news. Today, news could be the truth or just a pack of lies twisted around to get ratings. The greater the hype & lies the greater the ratings! I think President Obama, is doing the best he can with what he's got & it's not much from what I see. At every turn the republicans shoot down the changes he wanted to do for us the people. Can you believe that when Bill Clintin was President we actually were out of the RED & had a decent BUDGET here in American? Can you believe it?!!!! Then Bush takes over & PISSES IT ALL AWAY! Sends our troops into a war that wasn't ours to begin with; costing trillions of dollars & thousands of American deaths for what, oil that today we still don't control. So, ask X president Bush did we win, if so what did we win? All I'm saying is not to Judge the man, unless you've put yourself into his shoes. How would you feel if you wanted to do some positive changes for the people but the republicans keep on shooting it down? I admire President Obama for being brave enough to go into the lions den & take up the crap that Bush's left behind! By the way, your medicare, medicaid, & Social Security will be take away from you if you turn coat & vote for the republicans! I'm an independent & I think the republicans are too strict on issues & the Democrats are too soft on issues but I'll always vote democrat because to me it's the lesser evil of the two. So, who do you think you are, Lady to dump on your President like that? Mature people even though they don't like or didn't chose the President, at least they treat him with respect. Next time you want to put somebody down make sure you get the real story & not the crap that comes from entertainment tonight or Rush Limbard! So, if you're not voting for Obama next year, who're you voting for?...... ::)JEB BUSH? :P:bootyshake:
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if obama didnt destroy the country then who did, dont blame bush he didnt put has in a trillion dollar debt
Serious? Do you live under a rock and been clueless for the last 10 years? Our country has been getting further in debt since the Clinton era. Obama was dealt the worst hand ever and it's gonna take some time to see improvements. Congress isn't doing him any favors with no one agreeing on anything and being stubborn to their perspective political parties. Things are not going to be fixed over night people. There wasn't a single person nominated who was a better choice then Obama at the time he was elected regardless of his race.
(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g260/prtee33/debt1.jpg)
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/07/another-chart-that-should-accompany-all-debt-ceiling-discussions/242604/
(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g260/prtee33/debt2.gif)
http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-cohn/92569/bush-obama-deficit-tax-cut-stimulus-health
This is debunked garbage... you should be embarrassed and ashamed for posting it.
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You are welcome to debate and argue it with your own links or articles instead of just stating your own opinion. I am not embarrassed at all for posting it. Prove me wrong.
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Totally agree with the starter of this Blog. No second term for him
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Obama is turning the country into a socialist nightmare which is what he intended from the beginning. He even said so over and over before he was elected.
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Personally, We've only had two, maybe three good presidents. And none of them are in charge, neither are we. That isn't to say we can't take it back! However, follow the money. You soon find our lives have been in the hands of big bankers since even before the revolutionary war. Both political parties lean on one another, they work as a team. Obama was doing exactly as he was told. He might even serve another term because of his allegiance to 'Big Brother." Personally, I say we can do without all of them. "The man who lets a leader prescribe his course is a wreck being towed to the scrap heap." ~Ayn Rand
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It's not him..its the government!
who agrees? :thumbsup:
I agree. It is a government that feels that it can spend money without regard to whether it should be spending that money or how it plans to pay for that spending. Whether that is because of a massive prescription drug program from the previous administration, a business-unfriendly energy plan of the current administration, or increased military spending by both administrations, government as a whole has just been spending our money recklessly.
The 8/2 deadline is not as bad as an actual default.... The government still takes in more money than it owes to its creditors; it just would mean that the treasury would have to prioritize whether to pay towards our debts or to pay other expenses without going above our current debt ceiling. A true default, on the other hand, is when the government cannot pay towards their debts let alone towards any other expenses. When the crediting agencies are warning about lowering our credit rating, it doesn't necessarily mean that we need to increase this debt-limit; if the treasury chooses to default on some loans in place of not paying other obligations, then the agency may lower our rating because of the strategic default. But the agencies are more concerned about the way the government is handling its finances as a whole. The chairman of the S&P made an announcement today indicating that this is the idea behind the warnings that we've been hearing lately. Even if we increase the debt limit but do nothing to curb our spending, the debt will continue to increase and the financial status of our country will continue to go downhill. It is this that the lending agencies are most worried about.
To help make this make sense, just think about your own credit score... Let's say that you had racked up a bunch of debt: a house mortgage, car payments, student loans, credit cards, etc. As long as you continue to pay towards these debts, your rating won't go down. However what happens if you start to incur a deficit in your finances; you have to take an unpaid leave of absence from work to deal with a death in your family. You may still have enough money to cover all of your debt (and thus wouldn't have to default on your loans), but you have other obligations that you also need to cover (eg food, gas, cable, other utilities, etc.) You may then need to get another loan to help with the short-term financial problems: take out a personal loan, get a second mortgage, ask for an increase in the credit limit of your current credit cards. This is how us people increase our debt limit. Now doing such an increase may put a small hit on your credit score, but as long as this is just a temporary deficit, it won't hurt you too much. But lets say that your deficit is incurred by spending more than you can afford: you go out to eat for all of your meals, you get a mortgage for a mansion, you party at the nightclubs, etc. And you continue to ask for debt-limit increases (again either by additional loans or by increasing the limits on the loans you currently have). Eventually the bank or credit card will look at your deficit spending and will drop your credit score as a result; even if you are somehow able to pay towards the debt you hold, your reckless spending will cause credit agencies to begin questioning whether you'll be able to do so in the future and thus will lower your credit rating as a result. When that happens you have to start seriously looking at your own spending habits and cut back on the wasteful spending, or go broke by defaulting on your loans.
Probably the best thing to do is just vote all and I mean all the incumbents out. Send a message and the newbies had better work with the people or out again.
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We got the "change" alright. Government owes money to China. Look at the stuff we buy most of it is "Made in China". Obama's plan is to destroy America and he is doing a good job at that. Obama is a follower not a leader.
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I think Obama's doing the best he can with what he has to work with at the moment. The change this country needs isn't going to happen overnight, and it certainly might take a few years for things to look up. But by all means, if you think you can run this country better, in its' current state, then run for president.
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I think that Obama is doing a fine job considering the mess left to him by the previous imbecile in office. I mean, come on, Clinton left us with a zero deficit and Bush ran it up to trillions of dollars. People will say that it was because of the war...BS! We never should have entered into that war under the circumstances that we did and I still think that it was completely related to oil. Bush had a pre-set agenda and, under his monarchy, created the disaster that Obama is trying to clean up today.
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I think the tea partyists are destroying our country, honestly. The money doesn't matter as much to me as the welfare of our citizens does. When I see the suggestion that entitlements get cut so that the very rich can keep more of their money while others do without, it worries me. People are getting more selfish these days.
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It's not him..its the government!
who agrees? :thumbsup:
I agree! :thumbsup:
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ne shure trying to do it so his Monsignor brothers can take over and kill all that will not join them.
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In my opinion he was elected as a leader and has failed to lead. End result is a government in KAOS. Hope the next person who is elected to fill the shoes of the president is a leader who can lead.
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PLEASE STOP WITH THE STUPIDITY. OBAMA DOES NOT RUN THIS COUNTRY ALONE AS YOU HAVE SEEN ON TV. WITH ALL THE "POLITRICKS" BEING PLAYED OUT BY THE REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS, ITS A WONDER THERE IS A COUNTRY TO RUN. BTW OBAMA DIDN'T START THIS MESS, HE WAS DROPPED INTO THE MIDDLE OF THIS MISHMASH LEFT BY BUSH.