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Title: Bible Verse
Post by: joannaingram84 on September 01, 2011, 08:58:23 pm
When God began creating the heavens and the earth, the earth was at first a shapeless, chaotic mass, with the Spirit of God brooding over the dark vapors. Genesis 1:1-2 (The Living Bible)
Title: Re: Bible Verse
Post by: joannaingram84 on September 04, 2011, 12:13:38 am
Then God said, "Let there be light." And light appeared. And God was pleased with it, and divided the light from the darkness. So he let it shine for awhile, and then there was darkness again. He called the light "daytime", and the darkness "nighttime." Together they formed the first day. Genesis 1:3-5 (The Living Bible)
Title: Re: Bible Verse
Post by: queenofnines on September 04, 2011, 10:01:46 am
Let's not forget that it claims there was "light" before the sun and moon were created (?!).  And that plants were made before the sun, photosynthesis be damned!  Hmmmmm......
Title: Re: Bible Verse
Post by: jsuderc on September 04, 2011, 10:11:44 am
The fact that plants were made before the sun is pretty good evidence for a literal 6 day creation because plants couldn't survive without the sun for very long.
Title: Re: Bible Verse
Post by: madeara on September 04, 2011, 11:15:34 am
 “What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus. Guard the good deposit that was entrusted to you—guard it with the help of the Holy Spirit who lives in us.” 2 Timothy 1:13-14 NIV
Title: Re: Bible Verse
Post by: Abrupt on September 04, 2011, 11:50:28 am
"Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;
Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness."

Romans 12:6-8 KJV
Title: Re: Bible Verse
Post by: queenofnines on September 04, 2011, 04:06:30 pm
The fact that plants were made before the sun is pretty good evidence for a literal 6 day creation because plants couldn't survive without the sun for very long.

Heh, this made me chuckle.  So I take it you're down with the myriad of other scientific inaccuracies described in the Bible, such as bats being birds, the existence of unicorns, a flat earth, and a wrong figure for Pi?

The only thing that the Genesis account is "pretty good evidence" for is that it was written by primitive, superstitious goat herders.

Good read: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/science/long.html
Title: Re: Bible Verse
Post by: Abrupt on September 04, 2011, 07:03:37 pm
The fact that plants were made before the sun is pretty good evidence for a literal 6 day creation because plants couldn't survive without the sun for very long.

Heh, this made me chuckle.  So I take it you're down with the myriad of other scientific inaccuracies described in the Bible, such as bats being birds, the existence of unicorns, a flat earth, and a wrong figure for Pi?

The only thing that the Genesis account is "pretty good evidence" for is that it was written by primitive, superstitious goat herders.

Good read: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/science/long.html

You have inaccuracies in your assumptions of what things are described and the variations in the words from Hebrew to Greek, etc.  It is best to use a concordance and other such references for these purposes.  Calling a bat a bird matters very little when the modern term of bat didn't exist so I wouldn't concern myself too much with that.  Similarly the unicorn mentioned is not this mythical beast you might be thinking but perhaps it is what we call a rhinoceros or possibly even something else and maybe something that could be extinct.  The bible doesn't say the earth is flat.  The bible doesn't say that the value of Pi is 3.  In fact if you read Kings 7 you will see what it does say and you can make your own determinations from this.

Whatever your views of the Bible might be, you should first ask yourself why you have such an insulting and antipathetic view of it and therefore those who would believe in it.  People should not so hastily dismiss it, if not simply for the fact that yet for this book my true nature (as well as those like me) as that of a wolf would put all around me in grave danger at my simplest leisure.

Title: Re: Bible Verse
Post by: jcribb16 on September 04, 2011, 07:09:46 pm
The fact that plants were made before the sun is pretty good evidence for a literal 6 day creation because plants couldn't survive without the sun for very long.

Heh, this made me chuckle.  So I take it you're down with the myriad of other scientific inaccuracies described in the Bible, such as bats being birds, the existence of unicorns, a flat earth, and a wrong figure for Pi?

The only thing that the Genesis account is "pretty good evidence" for is that it was written by primitive, superstitious goat herders.

Good read: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/science/long.html

You have inaccuracies in your assumptions of what things are described and the variations in the words from Hebrew to Greek, etc.  It is best to use a concordance and other such references for these purposes.  Calling a bat a bird matters very little when the modern term of bat didn't exist so I wouldn't concern myself too much with that.  Similarly the unicorn mentioned is not this mythical beast you might be thinking but perhaps it is what we call a rhinoceros or possibly even something else and maybe something that could be extinct.  The bible doesn't say the earth is flat.  The bible doesn't say that the value of Pi is 3.  In fact if you read Kings 7 you will see what it does say and you can make your own determinations from this.

Whatever your views of the Bible might be, you should first ask yourself why you have such an insulting and antipathetic view of it and therefore those who would believe in it.  People should not so hastily dismiss it, if not simply for the fact that yet for this book my true nature (as well as those like me) as that of a wolf would put all around me in grave danger at my simplest leisure.


Well said!
Title: Re: Bible Verse
Post by: queenofnines on September 05, 2011, 06:56:40 am
Whatever your views of the Bible might be, you should first ask yourself why you have such an insulting and antipathetic view of it

Because apparently I've read it and you haven't.  You want to get into the real nasty stuff about the Bible, eh?  How about killing a rape victim because she did not cry out loud enough, or commanding the raper to marry her? (Deuteronomy)  How about death to all homosexuals, followers of other religions, nonbelievers, women who are not virgins on their wedding night, people who disrespect their parents, people who work on the Sabbath?  (Leviticus, Exodus, 2 Chronicles, Deuteronomy)  You cool with slavery, as god is?  (Leviticus, Exodus, Ephesians, Luke)

God is responsible for the death of millions in the Bible.  Pretty much every other page in the OT he is murdering off entire tribes of people.  On the other hand, Satan only killed 10 people in the Bible (Job's family)...and that's only because god allowed him to as part of a sick bet!!


Ugh, all these cliched questions show me how uneducated people are.   ::)  What is "antipathetic"?  lol

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People should not so hastily dismiss it, if not simply for the fact that yet for this book my true nature (as well as those like me) as that of a wolf would put all around me in grave danger at my simplest leisure.

Wot?  This makes no sense...
Title: Re: Bible Verse
Post by: Phx0808 on September 05, 2011, 07:13:14 am
"Whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God" - 1 Corinthians 10:31
Title: Re: Bible Verse
Post by: Gerianne on September 05, 2011, 07:24:51 am
"A generation comes and a generation goes but the earth remains forever."
Title: Re: Bible Verse
Post by: lorettahknox on September 05, 2011, 08:03:04 am
That is some scary picture isn't it? It makes me want to stand up straight and not be naughty. God created this world from nothing. We on the other hand can create nothing and depend on God for our very breath. Scary stuff if you really think about it. I feel we should do our best to honor Him and how Him by our treatment of our fellow humans our gratitude for his gifts.
Title: Re: Bible Verse
Post by: Abrupt on September 05, 2011, 10:23:31 am
Whatever your views of the Bible might be, you should first ask yourself why you have such an insulting and antipathetic view of it

Because apparently I've read it and you haven't.  You want to get into the real nasty stuff about the Bible, eh?  How about killing a rape victim because she did not cry out loud enough, or commanding the raper to marry her? (Deuteronomy)  How about death to all homosexuals, followers of other religions, nonbelievers, women who are not virgins on their wedding night, people who disrespect their parents, people who work on the Sabbath?  (Leviticus, Exodus, 2 Chronicles, Deuteronomy)  You cool with slavery, as god is?  (Leviticus, Exodus, Ephesians, Luke)

God is responsible for the death of millions in the Bible.  Pretty much every other page in the OT he is murdering off entire tribes of people.  On the other hand, Satan only killed 10 people in the Bible (Job's family)...and that's only because god allowed him to as part of a sick bet!!


Ugh, all these cliched questions show me how uneducated people are.   ::)  What is "antipathetic"?  lol

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People should not so hastily dismiss it, if not simply for the fact that yet for this book my true nature (as well as those like me) as that of a wolf would put all around me in grave danger at my simplest leisure.

Wot?  This makes no sense...


I haven't simply just 'read' it, I have studied it and you certainly have not as your confusion so readily reveals.  I feel no reason to discuss the OT with you as there would be no reason for it since you illustrate so clearly in your second paragraph that instead of addressing the original point you instead resort to not just one, but two logical fallacies (these being a false dilemma and a straw man).

I cannot see how my question can be considered a cliche, and regardless how would such commonality lead to any conclusions about my education?  Should I feel the need to counter you with your admitted ignorance of the word 'antipathetic' and your inept ability to even search for the word (it would take you 5 seconds or less surely).  Honestly I don't feel such a pull and I don't judge people in such ways as I have both learned from fools and taught the brilliant in my life.

Granted the last point you make has some merit as I may have been a little too poetic in what I was trying to say and my meaning wasn't quite clear.  I will explain.  Without my faith, I am left as nothing more than a man of logic, impulse, and desire.  If say, I were an atheist, it would not be safe for anyone to have any dealings with me.  I would take what I wanted as I wanted and no laws of men would protect people from me.  There could be no 'good' atheist in me.  For good to me would be whatever I wanted and doing good for others would only come to be if there were an even greater 'good' or advantage that I would net from such an action.  I don't trust an atheist because I know quite well what I would be if I were one (and that there could be no 'good' atheist as they would simply only be idiotic atheists who haven't even investigated their own disbelief).  Honestly if you were my neighbor you should be quite thankful that I have my faith.

I didn't post this or my original reply to you with the intentions of being insulting or rude.  I do come off that way a bit in this post but your reply warranted such as twice you have been insulting and my tolerance goes only so far.  I don't wish to trade snipes back and forth with you and I bear no ill feelings towards you either, but I caution you that your views on things are rather naive and simplistic.  There are vile and bad people such as myself whom, by whatever grace was given, don't follow the impulse to do such things.  In my case you can thank the word of this book that I am the man I am and not the man of the nature that I am.
Title: Re: Bible Verse
Post by: remediagirl on September 05, 2011, 10:33:19 am
I myself believe in a "Loving" God. Well above all the human emotions that the Bible claims God feels. (Anger, wrath, vengeance)   :heart:
Title: Re: Bible Verse
Post by: queenofnines on September 05, 2011, 03:21:49 pm
I haven't simply just 'read' it, I have studied it and you certainly have not as your confusion so readily reveals.

And by "study" you mean collecting excuses for the countless contradictions, logical leaps, wrong information, and just plain evil that stem from that book.  You shouldn't have to make excuses for a god.  He's the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow...therefore, any atrocities he's committed, regardless of "it being a different time" (like Christians love to claim), still stand.

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I cannot see how my question can be considered a cliche, and regardless how would such commonality lead to any conclusions about my education?

You have to understand that I get asked these same questions over and over again, and it starts to look a little...unoriginal.  And thoughtless.  If you truly are a scholar of the Bible, then you should have some idea why rational people have problems with it.

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Should I feel the need to counter you with your admitted ignorance of the word 'antipathetic' and your inept ability to even search for the word (it would take you 5 seconds or less surely).

Yes, that was my bad.  I've never heard that word before, and I thought it was possible that you either made a typo and meant "apathetic", or made up your own word to sound smart (being new to this forum, you'll soon see that not the sharpest tools in the shed frequent these parts).  I asked my husband about it and he hadn't heard of it either, so I didn't bother to look it up like I normally do for things I'm unsure about, because I didn't have much to go off of with what you wrote, and especially that last line you wrote, I wasn't inclined to think it was a real word.  I can now see since you've written more than a few lines with this last response that you have more intelligence than I garnered from your original post.  Sorry about that.

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If say, I were an atheist, it would not be safe for anyone to have any dealings with me.  I would take what I wanted as I wanted and no laws of men would protect people from me.  There could be no 'good' atheist in me.

This is certainly something I've heard before..."If we were all atheist, what would stop people from running around raping, killing, and stealing?!"  And it's just ridiculous, because religious belief does NOT stop people from doing things like this in the first place (the religious breakdown of prisons can attest to that).  On the other hand, the most atheistic nations in this world (Japan, Denmark, Norway, Finland) are statistically the most peaceful (http://www.visionofhumanity.org/gpi-data/#/2011/scor/).

Laws of men WOULD protect people from you, eventually.  You can run a muck causing trouble to your heart's content, but being a detriment to society is more likely to catch up to you than not.  Laws are in place so that as social animals, we can live together in harmony.  It's more beneficial for us all to try and work together rather than against each other.  If we all ran around being selfish and vicious, humanity would not last very long.  In any case, I for one do not see the point in harming others just for the sake of it.  We are all only here for a short time, sharing this common experience...it doesn't make sense to go out of my way to ruin it for anybody.

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I don't trust an atheist because I know quite well what I would be if I were one (and that there could be no 'good' atheist as they would simply only be idiotic atheists who haven't even investigated their own disbelief).  Honestly if you were my neighbor you should be quite thankful that I have my faith.

Well that's unfortunate that you think so little about yourself.  I used to be a Christian myself, and while I don't doubt some people might be "better people" as Christians as opposed to not being Christians, millions of people deconvert and remain perfectly decent.  Like I said before, some silly, empty threat of hell is not what is stopping 99 percent of people from going batshit loco.
Title: Re: Bible Verse
Post by: mtmailey on September 05, 2011, 03:38:59 pm
there are many people who do not have faith or little of it also they not believe in god because what happens to them or others.like good people dying but the evil people still living.
Title: Re: Bible Verse
Post by: JediJohnnie on September 05, 2011, 03:49:27 pm
Isn't this a thread for Bible verses?When did this turn to the debate & discuss thread? ???
Title: Re: Bible Verse
Post by: Abrupt on September 05, 2011, 04:16:33 pm
Isn't this a thread for Bible verses?When did this turn to the debate & discuss thread? ???

You are quite right and that is my fault in being new here and all.  I had noticed the text describing the sub-forum 'discuss and debate' and hadn't actually realized it was a sub-forum and instead applied it to this one.  My apologies.
Title: Re: Bible Verse
Post by: joannaingram84 on September 05, 2011, 11:32:51 pm
And God said, "Let the vapors separate to form the sky above and the oceans below." So God made the sky, dividing the vapor above from the water below. This all happened on the second day. genesis 1:6-8
Title: Re: Bible Verse
Post by: jsuderc on September 06, 2011, 05:17:48 am
If you study the Bible, you will see that all of this death and suffering were not part of God's original plan. Because they distrusted God, the first people God created chose to listen to Satan instead of God. Since that time, everybody has to make a choice--to follow Satan or to follow God.

Take a look at look at what the Bible says God's character is. "He who does not love does not know God, for God is love."(I John 4:8) "But the Lord is faithful, who will establish you and guard you from the evil one." (II Thessalonians 3:3) If you follow God and let Him guide you, your life will show these results or fruit: "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control..."(Galatians 5:22-23)

These characteristics may seem to contradict a lot of what you see in the Old Testament. However, the God mentioned in the New Testament is the same God mentioned in the Old Testament. "For I am the Lord, I do not change..." (Malachi 3:6) Sometimes the image of God in the Bible may appear to be revengeful and cruel, but that is not so. Remember God is love. God hates sin and all it does, but He loves the sinner infinitely more than we can understand. He loves the sinner enough to allow Jesus to be killed to pay the penalty of sin. "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Romans 6:23.)

God works with all of us as much as He can to get us to stop sinning and ask forgiveness for what we have done. It is totally our choice, though, because God cannot force us to obey Him. "Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God." (James 4:4) God is a God of love and mercy, but He is also a God of justice. "'The Lord is longsuffering and abundant in mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression; but He by no means clears the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation." (Numbers 14:18) When someone persistently refuse to listen to conscience and obey God, God will not "bother" that person anymore. But that doesn't happen until God has done everything He can to help that person change. God knows everything and only when God knows that nothing else He can do will change that person, He will allow him to do what he wants. In the Old Testament, when God wiped out whole tribes of people, He was not doing it out of hatred, but rather out of love. He saw that those people would not change no matter how much more time they had. If they were allowed to stay around, they would lead many others to join them in rebellion against God. Take for example Sodom and Gomorrah. If you are not familiar with the story, read Genesis 18-19. God destroyed the wicked cities, but only after Lot and his family were led out of the city by angels. If there had been ten people who wanted to follow God in those cities, God would not have destroyed the cities.

This has much to do with what is commonly referred to as the unpardonable sin. The unpardonable sin is persistently refusing to listen to God. "He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad. "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men." (Matthew 12:30-31) Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the persistent refusal to respond to the invitation to repent.

Do not refuse to listen to the Holy Spirit any longer. God promises in the Bible, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9) It is not too late to change. Choose not to follow Satan, but rather to follow God. If you ask God to help you, He will. God is a God of love and He will never give up working with you until there is no hope left. Don't reject His pleas. Please choose to follow Him now.
Title: Re: Bible Verse
Post by: jsuderc on September 06, 2011, 05:21:28 am
Take a look at look at what the Bible says God's character is. "He who does not love does not know God, for God is love."(I John 4:8) "But the Lord is faithful, who will establish you and guard you from the evil one." (II Thessalonians 3:3) If you follow God and let Him guide you, your life will show these results or fruit: "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control..."(Galatians 5:22-23)

I don't know where that smiley comes from. I have an 8 there and no smiley when I wrote it. What happened?
Title: Re: Bible Verse
Post by: jsuderc on September 06, 2011, 05:29:47 am
Isn't this a thread for Bible verses?When did this turn to the debate & discuss thread? ???

I'm sorry. I posted my last post before I read page 2. Is there a way to bump a copy of this thread over to "debate & discuss"?
Title: Re: Bible Verse
Post by: JediJohnnie on September 06, 2011, 12:06:50 pm
No need to apologize.You guys weren't the ones who started turning this into a debate thread.
Title: Re: Bible Verse
Post by: njycorps23 on September 06, 2011, 12:09:04 pm
Hear my voice when I call, O LORD; be merciful to me and answer me. ... Do not hide your face from me, do not turn your servant away in anger; you have been my helper. Do not reject me or forsake me, O God my Savior. Though my father and mother forsake me, the LORD will receive me.
Psalm 27:7,9-10