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I got a Flu shot today during my doctors visit. ...
I get one every year, though I have been reading lately about those who swear that they are bad for you.
Sometimes I feel a little sick, but nothing like having the flu and sometimes I feel nothing at all..except the band aid on my arm in the shower because I forgot it was there....
So... Flu Shots.....Yea or Nay?
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Nay for me.
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:(I GOT MY FLU SHOT LAST WEEK, I DONT HAVE A CHOICE IT WAS IT THAT OR WEAR A MASK FOR THE WHOLE 8 HOURS I WORK. NO THANKS TO MASK. RATHER HAVE THE SHOT AND BE SAFE.
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I have pretty bad allergies and my doctor always suggest that I get one. I got one for maybe 5 years straight and everytime I got one I would get the flu or fever or something along those lines. Prior to that I may have had the flu once when I was a little boy. Since I stopped getting the flu shot I have not had any flu like symptoms. Maybe it works for some people but it just made things worse for me. :'(
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I haven't before but I got one this year since I had pneumonuia last year and they said it was a good idea.
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Yes, of course...why not??
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Not for me. I prefer anti-viral herbs all year long...or...whenever I feel inspired to self prescribe. :)
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I GOT A FLU SHOT AND IT HAS HELP.
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:(I GOT MY FLU SHOT LAST WEEK, I DONT HAVE A CHOICE IT WAS IT THAT OR WEAR A MASK FOR THE WHOLE 8 HOURS I WORK. NO THANKS TO MASK. RATHER HAVE THE SHOT AND BE SAFE.
Do you work in health care? My sister is convalescing in a nursing home and we aren't allowed/heavily recommended not to visit her this week as they are having a flu epidemic..i,e, everyone is sick.
When I worked for the State School we were forced to have all kinds of vaccines to 'protect' us. I got the HeptacB(sp?) series which, though I've never had Hepatitis B, I now show to have Hepatitis B every time they do blood work....and...every time I have to go through the spiel...I've had the heptacB vaccine...yadayada...
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I have pretty bad allergies and my doctor always suggest that I get one. I got one for maybe 5 years straight and everytime I got one I would get the flu or fever or something along those lines. Prior to that I may have had the flu once when I was a little boy. Since I stopped getting the flu shot I have not had any flu like symptoms. Maybe it works for some people but it just made things worse for me. :'(
I've got bad allergies too. When I was a boy I would wake up every morning and sneeze, literally, at least 13 times (I think my record was 15 times) in a row. My Gmom, who was from Finland, thought I was possessed. ::) I had to take Contac (dating myself here) and always had a hanky in my pocket.
The only symptoms I have really experienced from the shot is a few aches and a low grade fever for a day.
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I haven't before but I got one this year since I had pneumonuia last year and they said it was a good idea.
I had bronchial pneumonia last year and thought it was the end...
I was pretty delirious...never have I experienced such pain..couldn't even take in a breath of air without it feeling like my ribs were breaking, so, yeah, I now proactively ask about the pneumonia shots.
edited for spelling
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Not for me. I prefer anti-viral herbs all year long...or...whenever I feel inspired to self prescribe. :)
I take herbs, vitamins and minerals. I think they help, though, there are some instances when I've played 'Dr Ron" and in a delirious haze will look up and see my mother..
"oh, mom, what are you doing here?"
"you're coming with me to the hospital"
"oh, ok.....but, I don't want them to keep me" (famous last words)
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Yes, of course...why not??
Exactly. I've even heard that there are some places where they are free. (what have you got to lose?)
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I GOT A FLU SHOT AND IT HAS HELP.
Were you feeling any symptoms before the shot, and it helped make you feel better? or did you go flu free for the season?
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I have not gotten a flu shot and never intend to. However, from what I have seen, it doesn't seem to help most people. One lady I know took the flu shot and a couple years, she ended up in the hospital very sick. Listed with the flu shot are possible side effects of headache, fever, chills, etc. (I don't have the info in front of me). But the "side effects" are exactly what a flu is. I think it is just another way for pharmaceuticals to make money.
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no way.....nay nay. I saw a health show with moderator Doug Kaufmann. I also had the experience of getting a flu shot and likewise, getting the flu for a week. I don't want to put the flu strain into my body when it isn't there. Many people are wising up.
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Every time I get a flu shot, I always get the flu that winter. If I don't get one, I never get sick, so i just don't get them anymore.
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I think they are good. Just got mine, doctor suggested since I watch my granddaughter.
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No flu shot for me. Not only do I not like to get shots but I am allergic to eggs & they say people who are allergic to eggs shouldn't get the shot. I don't think it helps anyway.
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yea
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yes good idea to get one reduces flu chances and in some age groups that is really needed.
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I do get the flu shot every year. I work in a group home and we are highly encouraged to get it. It isn't required, but highly encouraged.
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that's a nay for me. i only get sick or have a cold. no flu.. what's inside scares me!!
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I've never had the flu, and I've only had the shot once in my life. That time was at the nagging of my boss who just "would die" if I got the flu and had to miss much work. She paid for it so I said "what the hell". I did feel kinda yucky after the shot, though. But can't say if it worked, cuz like I said, never had the flu, before or after the shot.
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i'm on the fence with this one. i had one a couple years ago but didn't get one last year.
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Not for me. I prefer anti-viral herbs all year long...or...whenever I feel inspired to self prescribe. :)
Lovely answer! Really it's the best way. All of the pharmaceuticals we use now are derived from some sort of natural ingredient. But don't get over-zealous!
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I have pretty bad allergies and my doctor always suggest that I get one. I got one for maybe 5 years straight and everytime I got one I would get the flu or fever or something along those lines. Prior to that I may have had the flu once when I was a little boy. Since I stopped getting the flu shot I have not had any flu like symptoms. Maybe it works for some people but it just made things worse for me. :'(
That's funny, I haven't had a flu since High School, the last time I had a flu shot..... :dontknow:
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I get a flu shot every year...and my son too. We have never gotten sick from one. I think some people feel symptoms of some sort, but it's not really the flu. I know I have a very strong immune system so I di'nt think it affects me.
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Yes most definitely would get a flu shot.
This year I did... and the reaction I had from it was crazy!!
My immune system is compromised from the meds I am on... so it is important for me to get one every year.
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I have not gotten a flu shot and never intend to. However, from what I have seen, it doesn't seem to help most people. One lady I know took the flu shot and a couple years, she ended up in the hospital very sick. Listed with the flu shot are possible side effects of headache, fever, chills, etc. (I don't have the info in front of me). But the "side effects" are exactly what a flu is. I think it is just another way for pharmaceuticals to make money.
It is a little odd that, at least from the people I know who get the shot, I've seen more people get the flu than without the shot...
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Nay says i
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I've been doing well without flu shots, so nay
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Nay for me. I eat well, exercise, and take precaution about being around folks who are sick and seem to stay very healthy.
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Flu shots? Gotta go with a big "Yes" on that one... the concept of utilizing a bit of the bad bugs to activate one's immune system is a clever one indeed. It does save lives. I recommend L-Lysine, Vitamin's A, C, and E to help build up and maintain a healthy immune system to reduce side effects of the flu shot and help you to live a better, more healthy life...
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:(I GOT MY FLU SHOT LAST WEEK, I DONT HAVE A CHOICE IT WAS IT THAT OR WEAR A MASK FOR THE WHOLE 8 HOURS I WORK. NO THANKS TO MASK. RATHER HAVE THE SHOT AND BE SAFE.
Do you work in health care? My sister is convalescing in a nursing home and we aren't allowed/heavily recommended not to visit her this week as they are having a flu epidemic..i,e, everyone is sick.
When I worked for the State School we were forced to have all kinds of vaccines to 'protect' us. I got the HeptacB(sp?) series which, though I've never had Hepatitis B, I now show to have Hepatitis B every time they do blood work....and...every time I have to go through the spiel...I've had the heptacB vaccine...yadayada...
Yes I do and most of the staff dont want to have the shot or wear mask. isnt that crazy. half the staff are afriad of the needle.
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I get one when I go to the Dr. because it better to be safe than get the Flu.
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I got it this year. I drive a school bus so the county wanted all the drivers to get it. They paid for it as well.
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I get one every year. If you have health problems like asmatha, high blood preasure heart problems, diabetes they reconmend you get a flew shot. If you are a child they recomend that they get one as well as the elderly. Also people who work in In Home Healthcare, doctors, nurses this is a protection but it really depends on you you know if you need one or not.
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Heck Yea!!! I got the flu one time really bad and since then I have gotten a flu shot every year. My husband has to get one (being in the military) and I an my two kids get one. I take no chances. :wave:
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I've heard they're now using different a different type of needle now that is shorter and thinner so it does hurt as much. There is also Nasal mist avaliable too so no needle at all.
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I say yea but only every 2-3 year...every other year for kids
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I have only had a flu shot once, and that was the year I was pregnant. My daughter gets one every year.
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Yep I got mine I believe its better to be safe than sorry. I am so busy running my kids around I just dont have time to get sick its seems like everyday of the week the kids need to be going some where but thats my busy lil life and i love it
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I think we are immunized to death anymore. Our kids have to have so many shots before they even go to school, it's not even funny. While we got some immunizations when we went to school, they weren't very many. Dating myself here, but I remember getting 2 polio shots and the last (3rd) in the series was on a sugar cube. Kinda weird now when I think about it. I've gotten a booster shot and a tetanus shot in school also.
There's a reason we have natural antibodies that are formed in our system after an illness. There's a reason we get the childhood stuff like measles, chicken pox, mumps, etc. No flu shot for me anymore. Last year I was standing in line for one and felt strongly compelled not to take it.....so I didn't. Won't have this one this year either. There have been some complications with the H1N1 virus shots. You had to get 2 shots before, but now everything is included in one shot this year (so they say). I don't trust the government or the Food and Drug Administration to tell me what is to be ingested into my body. I'll be the judge of that. Call me paranoid, but after what I've seen this year among our own political leaders, I'll keep my life in my own hands thank you.
Thing is, the flu virus keeps mutating, or there are so many different strains, that the flu shot you are getting has nothing to do with any new strain of flu that might start making the rounds this season. Any Doc or Pharm will tell you that the flu shot has only the old strains they know about.
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I do not want to blame anyone. "The prevention is sometimes worse than the illness". Be careful some people develop side effects!
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No way! Never ever!
Don't do any vaccines for any reason. Don't care what anyone says, I will REFUSE any and all shots.
Look up vaccine package inserts (Prescribing Information) to find out the ingredients and adverse reactions reported.
The ingredients, the adverse reactions and more are enough for us to run the other way. Also look up the CDC Pink Book, list of vaccine Excipient.
To Admin: These are CDC links, not referral links of any kind.
Current 2010 Vaccine List with included Excipients: (Vaccine Excipient & Media Summary, Part 2)
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf
Current 2006: Excipient Table list:
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-1.pdf
Vaccine Ingredients and Contact Info
Compiled by Dawn Winkler
Source: 1997 Physicians' Desk Reference
Toll Free Numbers can be called to obtain product inserts
This is a representative, not a comprehensive, list of the various types of vaccines
Acel-Immune
DTaP
Diphtheria and Tetanus Toxoids and Acellular Pertussis Vaccine Adsorbed
Lederle Laboratories
1-800-934-5556
produced using formaldehyde, thimerosal, aluminum hydroxide, aluminum
phosphate, polysorbate 80, gelatin
Act HIB
Haemophilus Influenzae Type B (Hib) Tetanus Toxoid Conjugate
Connaught Laboratories
1-800-822-2463
produced using ammonium sulfate, formalin, sucrose, thimerosal
medium: semi-synthetic
Attenuvax
Measles Virus Vaccine Live
Merck & Co, Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolized gelatin
medium: chick embryo
DPT
Diphtheria and Tetanus Toxoids and Pertussis Vaccine Adsorbed
SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals
1-800-366-8900 ext. 5231
produced using aluminum phosphate, formaldehyde, ammonium sulfate,
washed sheep red blood cells, glycerol, sodium chloride, thimerosal
medium: porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein
Energix-B
Hepatitis B
SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals
1-800-633-8900 ext. 5231
produced using aluminum hydroxide, thimerosal
medium: yeast (possibly 5% residual)
Havrix
Hepatitis A
SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals
1-800-633-8900 ext. 5231
produced using formalin, aluminum hydroxide, phenoxyethanol (antifreeze),
polysorbate 20, residual MRC5 proteins (from medium)
medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
Biavax
Rubella and Mumps Virus Vaccine Live
Merck & Co, Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolized gelatin
medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
HibTiter
Haemophilus Influenzae Type B (Hib)
Lederle Laboratories
1-800-934-5556
produced using polyribosylribitol, ammonium sulfate, thimerosal
medium: chemically defined, yeast based
Fluvirin
Influenza Virus Vaccine
Medeva Pharmaceuticals
1-888-MEDEVA
(716)274-5300
produced using embryonic fluid (chicken egg), neomycin, polymyxin,
thimerosal, betapropiolactone
medium: embryonic fluid (chicken egg)
FluShield
Influenza Virus Vaccine, Trivalent, Types A&B
Wyeth-Ayerst
1-800-934-5556
produced using gentamicin sulfate, formaldehyde, polysorbate 80,
tri(n)butylphosphate, thimerosal
medium: chick embryos
IPOL
Inactivated Polio Vaccine
Connaught Laboratories
1-800-822-2463
produced using 3 types of polio virus, formaldehyde, phenoxyethanol
(antifreeze), neomycin, streptomycin, polymyxin B
medium: VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells
MMR
Measles Mumps Rubella Live Virus Vaccine
Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using sorbitol, neomycin, hydrolyzed gelatin
mediums: M&M - chick embryo
Rubella - human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
M-R-Vax
Measles and Rubella Virus Vaccine Live
Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin
mediums: Measles - chick embryo
Rubella - human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
Menomune
Meningococcal Polysaccharide Vaccine
Connaught Laboratories
1-800-822-2463
produced using thimerosal, lactose
medium: freeze dried polysaccharride antigens from Neisseria Meningitidis
Meruvax II
Rubella Virus Vaccine Live
Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin
medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
Mumpsvax
Mumps Virus Vaccine Live
Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin
medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
Orimune
Poliovirus Vaccine Live Oral Trivalent
Lederle Laboratories
1-800-934-5556
produced using 3 types of attenuated polioviruses, streptomycin,
neomycin, calf serum, sorbitol
medium: monkey kidney cell culture
Pneumovax
Pneumococcal Vaccine Polyvalent
Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using phenol and capsular polysaccharides from the 23 most prevalent pneumococcal types
Imovax
Rabies Vaccine Adsorbed
Connaught Laboratories
1-800-822-2463
produced using human albumin, neomycin sulfate, phenol red indicator
medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
Rabies Vaccine Adsorbed
SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals
1-800-366-8900 ext. 5231
produced using betapropiolactone, aluminum phosphate, sodium
ethylmercurithiosalicylate (thimerosal), phenol red
medium: fetal rhesus monkey lung cells
Recombivax
Hepatitis B Vaccine Recombinant
Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using thimerosal, aluminum hydroxide
medium: yeast (residual < 1% yeast protein)
RotaShield
Rotavirus Vaccine, Live, Oral, Tetravalent
Wyeth-Ayerst Laboratories
1-800-934-5556
produced using 1 rhesus monkey rotavirus, 3 rhesus-human reassortant
viruses, sucrose, monosodium glutamate (MSG), potassium monophosphate,
potassium diphosphate, fetal bovine serum, neomycin sulfate, amphotericin B
medium: fetal rhesus diploid cell line
Varivax
Varicella Virus Vaccine Live
Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using sucrose, phosphate, glutamate, processed gelatin
medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
Chemical Profiles and Definitions, visit www.scorecard.org to investigate chemical profiles
Sources: EDF (Environmental Defense Fund) & MME (Mosby's Medical Encyclopdia)
Ammonium Sulfate: EDF Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant
neurotoxicant
respiratory toxicant
Amphotericin B: MME definintion - "a drug used to treat fungus
infections. Known allergy to this drug prohibits use. Side effects
include blood clots, blood defects, kidney problems, nausea and
fever. When used on the skin, allergic reactions can occur."
Aluminum: EDF Suspected - cardiovascular or blood toxicant
neurotoxicant
respiratory toxicant
More hazardous than most chemicals in 2 out of 6 ranking systems
On at least 2 federal regulatory lists
Beta-Propiolactone: EDF Recognized - carcinogen
EDF Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant
respiratory toxicant
skin or sense organ toxicant
More hazardous than most chemicals in 3 out of 3 ranking systems
On at least 5 federal regulatory lists
Ranked as one of the most hazardous compounds (worst 10%) to humans
Formaldehyde: EDF Recognized - carcinogen
Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant
immunotoxicant
neurotoxicant
reproductive toxicant
respiratory toxicant
skin or sense organ toxicant
More hazardous than most chemicals in 5 out of 12 ranking systems
On at least 8 federal regulatory lists
Ranked as one of the most hazardous compounds (worst 10%) to ecosystems and human health
Gentamicin Sulfate: an antibiotic
Hydrolyzed Gelatin: obtained from selected pieces of calf and cattle
skins, de-mineralized cattle bones (ossein) and porkskin
Neomycin: an antibiotic
Phenol: aka Carbolic Acid
EDF Suspected - cardiovascular or blood toxicant
developmental toxicant
gastrointestinal or liver toxicant
kidney toxicant
neurotoxicant
respiratory toxicant
skin or sense organ toxicant
More hazardous than most chemicals in 3 out of 10 ranking systems
On at least 8 federal regulatory lists
Phenoxyethanol: aka Antifreeze
EDF Suspected - developmental toxicant
reproductive toxicant
Less hazardous than most chemicals in 3 ranking systems
Polyribosylribitol: a component of the Hib bacterium
Polymyxin: an antibiotic
Polysorbate: EDF Suspected - skin or sense organ toxicant
Sorbitol: EDF Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant
Less hazardous than most chemicals in 1 ranking system
Streptomycin: an antibiotic
Sucrose: refined sugar
Thimerosal: ethyl mercury
EDF Recognized - development toxicant
Suspected - skin or sense organ toxicant
Tri(n)butylphosphate: EDF Suspected - kidney toxicant
neurotoxicant
More hazardous than most chemicals in 2 out of 3 ranking systems
On at least 1 federal regulatory list
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MessiahMews, you did your homework. There is a reason why we are made the way we are. Our bodies are made to fight off infection with naturally made antibodies. Anything foreign introduced into our bodies are just that....FOREIGN!
What is so disturbing about your list is the common use of human aborted fetal tissue. God forgive us!
I have been ever diligent about going all natural and buy only natural vitamins, etc. Eating as healthy as possible and naturally detox. It's been expensive, but worth the effort as I find myself "coming back" to health and well being. It's not happening overnight, but each change I make takes me closer to feeling and looking better. It's an individual journey and there is no cookie cutter way for everyone. Each person has to do the homework and choose those natural alternatives for themselves. It's taken me a lot of trial and error, but I'm getting to know what works and what does not (for me).
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Nay if you have food allergies you can not get a flu shot.
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getting a flu shot for me and my 10 month old. stepdaughter wont be getting one because her grandmother is a little too homeopathic
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We never have and don't ever plan on it.
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NEVER!!!! :angry7:
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MessiahMews, you did your homework. There is a reason why we are made the way we are. Our bodies are made to fight off infection with naturally made antibodies. Anything foreign introduced into our bodies are just that....FOREIGN!
What is so disturbing about your list is the common use of human aborted fetal tissue. God forgive us!
I have been ever diligent about going all natural and buy only natural vitamins, etc. Eating as healthy as possible and naturally detox. It's been expensive, but worth the effort as I find myself "coming back" to health and well being. It's not happening overnight, but each change I make takes me closer to feeling and looking better. It's an individual journey and there is no cookie cutter way for everyone. Each person has to do the homework and choose those natural alternatives for themselves. It's taken me a lot of trial and error, but I'm getting to know what works and what does not (for me).
Vaccine production is truly disgusting. These "foreign" cells attach to our own cells and the body starts attacking the whole. This is where most autoimmune diseases come from.
All one has to do is read the CDC Pink Book and ALL the package inserts of vaccines. Do a google search on vaccine package inserts aka prescribing information, and you will find them.
Vaccines Grown on Aborted Fetal Tissue
The following vaccines are grown on aborted fetal tissue - rabies, some mumps, rubella, chickenpox, hepatitis a, smallpox (some), ipv. One of the single measles vaccines is further attenuated in diploid cells
This can be seen in the package inserts - referred to as diploid cells
This info is from the Nursing 93 Drug Handbook published by the Springhouse Corporation.
"Rubella virus vaccone, live attenuated (RA 27/3)
Meruvax II
How Supplied:
Injection: single-dose vial containing not less than 1,000 TCID (tissue culture infective doses) of the Wistar RA 27/3 strain of rubella (virus propated in human diploid cell culture)"
"Poliovirus vaccine, inactivated (IPV)
Polivax
Polivax employs human diploid cultures."
"Rabies vaccine, human diploid cell (HDCV) Imovax"
From http://www.medaccess.com/cdcimun/Rubella/Rub1_02.htm The live rubella virus vaccine* currently distributed in the United States is prepared human diploid cell culture. In January 1979, this vaccine (RA 27/3) replaced the HPV-77:DE-5 vaccine grown in duck embryo cell culture because it induced higher seroresponse, greater resistance to reinfection, and lower reaction rate. Although both subcutaneous and intranasal administration of the vaccine have been studied, the vaccine is licensed only for subcutaneous administration. The vaccine is produced in monovalent form (rubella only) and in combinations: measles-rubella (MR), rubella-mumps, and measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccines. *Official name: rubella virus vaccine, live.
(3) MERUVAX II (Rubella Virus Vaccine Live, MSD), the Wistar RA 27/3 strain of live attenuated rubella virus grown in human diploid cell (W1-38) culture."
Gamma Globulin Prophylaxis;Inactivated Rubella Virus;Production and Biological Control of Live Attenuated Rubella Virus Vaccines ; Amer J Dis Child Vol 118 Aug 1969
Dr. K McCarthy: It seems to me that there are two things that we worry about in regards to WI-38 cell substrate.First of all, presence of extraneous viral agents; secondly, the possibility of there being human genetic material passed over into the vaccine. I wonder if there is any information about the reasons for aborting that particular embryo that gave rise to WI-38; and if it was from a family, whether we have any information about siblings from the family and whether they are normal?
Dr.S Plotkin, Philidelphia:
I should like to answer Dr. McCarthy's question. This fetus was chosen by Dr. Sven Gard, specifically for this purpose. Both parents are known, and unfortunately for the story, they are married to each other, still alive and well, and living in Stockholm, persumably. The abortion was done because they felt they had too many children. There were no familial diseases in the history of either parent, and no history of cancer specifically in the families; I believe this answers Dr. McCarthy's question.
Attenuation Of RA 27/3 Rubella Virus in WI-38 Human Diploid Cells; Amer J Dis Child vol 118 Aug 1969
Explant cultures were made of the dissected organs of a particular fetus aborted because of rubella, the 27th in our series of fetuses aborted during the 1964 epidemic. The third explant, which happened to be from kidney, was selected arbitrarily for further study.
Studies of Immunization With Living Rubella Virus ; Arch J Dis Child vol 110 Oct 1965 This fetus was from a 25 year old mother exposed to rubella 8 days after last menstrual period. 16 days later she developed rubella. The fetus was surgically aborted 17 days after maternal illness and dissected immediately. Explants from several organs were cultured and successful cell growth was achieved from lung, skin, and kidney. It was then grown on WI-38. This new vaccine was tested on orphans in Philadelphia.
Poliovirus Vaccine Inactivated PolioVax Source: 1996 PHYSICIAN'S DESK REFERENCE
The viruses are grown in human diploid (MRC-5) cell cultures, concentrated purified and inactivated with formaldehyde. Poliovax contains formaldehyde, 2-phenoxyethanol, traces of bovine serum and may contain trace amounts of streptomycin and/or polymyxin B and neomycin, the possibility of allergic reactions in individuals sensitive to these substances should be borne in mind when considering the use of this vaccine.
Bivax (Rubella and Mumps Virus Vaccine Live, MSD, U.S.P.)
Source: 1996 PHYSICIAN'S DESK REFERENCE
Bivax is a sterile lyophilized preparation of the Wistar RA 27/3 strain of live attenuated rubella virus grown in human diploid cell (WI-38) culture; and the Jeryl Lynn (B level) strain of mumps virus grown in cell cultures of chick embryo.
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I've never gotten a flu shot before, and in my 25 years of living, I might have had the flu once. I'm always a little skeptical about vaccinnes, considering that they are putting the virus in you. I know the virus in most vaccinnes are dead, but still, it just creeps me out a bit. As my mom always says....."Don't fix it if it ain't broken", and my immune system seem to be working perfectly fine. :heart: :star:
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yes, we always get a flu shot
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The most revealing is what they have to disclose by law...
I ACTUALLY WALKED INTO A DOCTOR'S OFFICE
Tedd Koren, DC
The other day I walked into a doctor's office that was advertising flu shots and asked for a product insert for the 2011-2012 flu vaccine (Flulaval from GlaxoSmithKline.)
She handed me a CDC one page sheet urging all people to get the flu shot. I said, 'Thanks, but can I get the actual paper that comes with the vaccines.'' She gave me an odd look (''Why would anyone want to read that?'') but went into the back and got me one.
Before I left I said to the MD, ''Did you know that there is mercury in the shots?'' ''No, I didn't know that,'' she said. (Why should she know that, she only gives the shots.)
''You know if you vaccinate a pregnant woman the mercury can go through the placenta into the fetus,'' I said to her.
She said nothing. I might have been speaking Klingon. Then again if we were Klingons the interaction may have involved high explosives and lots of bad language. (Please forgive me, the other day I watched a Star Trek movie).
OK, back to the flu. After I left her office I began to engage in an unnatural act, I actually read the product insert. The print was very small but I slogged through it. These are quotes directly from the product insert. Read them and be amazed (doesn't anyone actually read these?)
Does the flu shot protect someone from getting the flu?
''There have been no controlled trials adequately demonstrating a decrease in influenza disease after vaccination with FluLaval''
It's given to nursing mothers
''It is not known whether FluLaval is excreted in human milk , safety and effectiveness of FluLaval in pediatric patients have not been established.''
What's in the shot?
The virus is inactivated with ultraviolet light , followed by formaldehyde disrupted with sodium deoxycholate 45 mcg. Hemagglutinin (HA) ' each dose contains 25 mcg mercury, the vial stopper does not contain latex.'' (Nice to know for those who are concerned about latex reactions).
Can it cause cancer or affect the reproductive system (what about the baby?)
''FluLaval' has not been evaluated for carginogenic or mutagenic potential, or for impairment of fertility.''
Adverse events associated with influenza vaccines: Anaphylaxis ,the 1976 swine flu influenza vaccine was associated with an increased risk of Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS). Evidence of a causal relation of GBS with subsequent [influenza] vaccines is unclear.''
How long were the test subjects observed after vaccination to see if the flu shot caused long-term damage?
Individuals were observed for three days after the flu shot was administered in see if there were adverse reactions.
Postmarketing surveillance From the insert:
''Because these events are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size it is not always possible to reliably estimate their incidence rate or to
establish a causal relationship to the vaccine.''
''Lymphodenopasthy, eye pain, photophobia, dysphagia, vomiting, influenza-like symptoms, rhinitis, cellulitis, muscle weakness, arthritis, tremor, syncope, Guillain-Barre syndrome, convulsions, seizures, cranial or facial nerve paralysis (Bell's palsy), encephalopathy, limb paralysis.''
Cost
Fluarix (single dose) for ages 3 years and older. Multidose has Hg, single dose does not. Fluarix: $101.20 for ten single vial doses (approximately $10/shot cost to MD).
No mercury in single vials.
FluLaval Multidose: $70.80 for one vial of ten doses ($7.08 cost of one shot). (Nice markup. I bet CVS, Walgreens and the other big purchasers get even better prices).
Gary Krasner, Director
Coalition For Informed Choice
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About half the time I feel like I'm getting a little sick, but I do my flu shot every year still. I've had this years just within the past week.
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thats a definately NAY, last month i went to my doctor n she gave me the tdap n pneumonia shot. i was sick for two weeks, i had a cold and the flu, my sinus n alergies hit me at once. NAY NO THANX they done gave me the flu so whats the sense..... ???
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The last time I had a flu shot I got very sick. I haven't had a flu shot for several years and fortunately have been fine. So will not be getting a flu shot anytime soon. :wave: :peace:
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Me: Never get a flu shot, gotten the flu once in the past 10 years.
Other family: No flu shot, same thing.
My Dad: Gets the flu shot every year; gets the flu every year.
Enough said.
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i hate shots so i say nah
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YEA! If I wasn't 'well raised' I probably would be on drugs right now because I LOVE shots! However, I do agree that some vaccines need to be tested more regularly. Oh! There is one shot I refused to get, SWINE FLU vaccine! But that disease is over and done ;D
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I usually get a flu shot every year, but this year I will have to pass, as I don't have medical coverage an cannot afford it get it. Just hope the flu bug skips my house.
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Flue shot is the weaken version of the Flu. Whatever Flu it may be. Getting a shot is like literally cut someone's skin, and the whole process is discussing. Many people vow to never be doctors as same as many people vow to never take shots.
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Nay for shure last one i got my arm swelled up for like a week never gotten one scence
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no i can not stand needles only natural stuff i believe in.
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Last time i got the flu shot, i was sick for a week and had to miss work...idk if imma get it again
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I got a Flu shot today during my doctors visit. ...
I get one every year, though I have been reading lately about those who swear that they are bad for you.
Sometimes I feel a little sick, but nothing like having the flu and sometimes I feel nothing at all..except the band aid on my arm in the shower because I forgot it was there....
So... Flu Shots.....Yea or Nay?
I say yay :)
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I never take a flu shot either, instead I load up on vitamin C, fruits and vegetable during the flu season. It works for me and my family.
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Well....It has been over a week now since I got the shot and I have had no ill effects. Another year, another vaccine.....I'll let you know if I get flu this year or not. I have bad sinuses and am prone to ear infections which lead to a sore throat , then coughing, fever and then....(if I don't go to the doctor...*I tend to play doctor a lot*)..a bad cold or the flu. :-[
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I got a flu shot and it worked!
Three days later, I had the flu.
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Funny how that works, they say you don't get the flu from the flu shot, but I always seem to as well. I guess I have found that I typically get the flu once a winter, shot or not, so I'll take my chances and let my body do what it's designed to do. I'm not in an at-risk category, but if I were I would probably go ahead and take the advice to get one.
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I don't believe in injecting a strain of flu into your body in order to avoid possibly getting the flu. For the last seventeen years my wife has gotten the flu shot every year while I have abstained. My wife has had the flu eight times during that period while I have only had the flu twice. My children, ages twelve and fourteen, have never had the shot and never gotten the flu. Just like with anti-biotics I believe that over prescribing things or trying preventative medicine creates resistance when it is needed.
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I will pass on the flu shot. I don't want to inject a dead virus in to my bloodstream.
There are so many new and changing strands of the flu I'm not sure it would prevent illness.
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I am going to have to say no. Never did, probably never will. One needs to take ones age, current medications, and general health into consideration to figure out whether or not a flu shot would be beneficial for them. Also, you need to look into your health care provider and insurance to see if it is covered, because to a lot of people ever penny counts. For now, I'm going to say no. Even though I get sick often I also get reactions to medications so skipping it for me would be playing it safe.
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I have only had a flu shot once. ??? I guess as I get older I should get one every year. :dontknow: I live in the south and we have much milder winters. 8) I don't frequent many public places everyday, and I carry hand sanitizer. :thumbsup: I do believe that children and the elderly should get them every year. :thumbsup:
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I was in health care before I retired and it was required every year. I had no ill effect from them and never got really sick. I continued after I retired until last year when I kept meaning to but never got there. The vaccine this year (it changes every year) supposedly contains anti-swine flu ingredient along with others. I am "meaning to" get to the Dr. office.
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I have only had a flu shot once. ??? I guess as I get older I should get one every year. :dontknow: I live in the south and we have much milder winters. 8) I don't frequent many public places everyday, and I carry hand sanitizer. :thumbsup: I do believe that children and the elderly should get them every year. :thumbsup:
They say that the elderly have a lower to resistance to fighting off illness...I don't know how true that is. My Mom is 72 and runs circles around me, she also get a flu shot every year....better safe than sorry, as she says, you might not get the flu, or you might, but if you do, it won't be as severe. and won't last as long.
I was in health care before I retired and it was required every year. I had no ill effect from them and never got really sick. I continued after I retired until last year when I kept meaning to but never got there. The vaccine this year (it changes every year) supposedly contains anti-swine flu ingredient along with others. I am "meaning to" get to the Dr. office.
I used to work for MHMR and we were required to have all kinds of vaccines, including that Heptac B series(sp?) (Hepatitis B vaccine). Though I never got Hepatitis, any time I have lab work done I show positive for Hepatitis and I have to tell them that I had the vaccine.....weird
If you don't make it to the Dr office I have seen signs in windows all over the place offering the vaccine...and for FREE...
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Nay - I only get sick when I have the shots
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I have mixed feelings about the flu shot. I seem to get sicker when I get one. I was recently in the hospital with pneumonia and decided no matter what I had better get one. Course the doctor highly recommended it too. I also got a pneumonia shot. I hope I am not sick all winter. I do know a lot of people who swear by the flu shots.
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my vote is nay because the times i have gotten flu shots i ended up getting it twice as bad
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I chose not to get the flu shot when I have gotten them in the past it seemed to make me more sick.
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I can't decide what to do. I get them free as a state employee but have not had the flu for several years without taking the shot
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AM NOT GETTN A FLU SHOT...... :-X
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Not for me.
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I got a flu shot this year and do so every. I had a bad case of the flu @15 years ago and do not care to repeat it.
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Yes, I have 4 little ones who manage to catch everything every year. When we do vaccinate we seem to pass the big yuck of the flu. Thanks flu shot.
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Not for me. Everytime I've had one it makes me real sick so I don't anymore. Usually you find out the vaccine they have out is for a different flu than what is going around anyway.
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I have only gotten a flu shot a few times, the last being about 3 years ago. I never got sick from it, but my sister is in health care and has to get one every year and always feels somewhat, if not alot, ill from it. I guess I can take it or leave it, however my (grown) children refuse to get one, and when the H1N1 first came around I was so worried one of them would get it. But so far, they have stayed away from it :) They are in their 20's (3 of them) and say they don't want that crap in their bodies. Not sure if I will get one this year or not.
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I got mine last week. I try to get one every year and they seem to help. I can't afford to get sick. At least when I do get sick after a shot the symptoms are much less severe.
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i have gotten a flu shot the last 12 years. i never really get sick anyway and my job offered it as free service so idk if they do good or not
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I think I have decided to get one-hope it is the right decision
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the nes who have taken it this year at my work were sick, so I'm not taking it this year.
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I got a Flu shot today during my doctors visit. ...
I get one every year, though I have been reading lately about those who swear that they are bad for you.
Sometimes I feel a little sick, but nothing like having the flu and sometimes I feel nothing at all..except the band aid on my arm in the shower because I forgot it was there....
So... Flu Shots.....Yea or Nay?
It's true.. But if you are under condition that protect you from bacterial from sickness. My doctor recommend me to take it because my lung are not healthy. And I have mild Asthma.
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Never had that heppen to me...all I get is a sor spot. adn that usually passes in the same day.
But everyone is different. Of course it probably heavily depends on age as well.
And of course who provides the shot; there are those who 'water' the shots down, or have been known to.
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I got one today. So far - so good.
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I got my flu shot since it was free at work. I got it last year and I didn't get sick so I figured I might as well go for it again!
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I had a flu shot several years ago and got very sick. I have not had one since then and have been fine. So I hope it continues. :wave: :peace: