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Such a HOT topic these days. What is the consensus of opinion on this site?? Immigrants made this great nation, and though it seems with the passage of time (and especially since 9/11), they are less then welcomed. I personally came to the States 37 yrs ago and I knew within a year that this would be my permanent home. I did it the legal way, but unfortunately there thousands upon thousands who didn't and, because of their illegal status, are now facing deportation to their homeland, even though they may have children born here. Should amnesty be granted to those hardworking, law-abiding folks whose only charge is seeking a better life for their family? I say lets' give them a chance to live in this land, and focus our attention on those illegals who are convicted felons who have nothing to offer but a burden on law enforcement and law-abiding taxpayers!!!
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Such a HOT topic these days. What is the consensus of opinion on this site?? Immigrants made this great nation, and though it seems with the passage of time (and especially since 9/11), they are less then welcomed. I personally came to the States 37 yrs ago and I knew within a year that this would be my permanent home. I did it the legal way, but unfortunately there thousands upon thousands who didn't and, because of their illegal status, are now facing deportation to their homeland, even though they may have children born here. Should amnesty be granted to those hardworking, law-abiding folks whose only charge is seeking a better life for their family? I say lets' give them a chance to live in this land, and focus our attention on those illegals who are convicted felons who have nothing to offer but a burden on law enforcement and law-abiding taxpayers!!!
If they are illegal immigrants, I wouldn't qualify them as law-abiding. What's the point of having any laws at all if people are going to arbitrarily choose the laws they are going to follow?
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Such a HOT topic these days. What is the consensus of opinion on this site?? Immigrants made this great nation, and though it seems with the passage of time (and especially since 9/11), they are less then welcomed. I personally came to the States 37 yrs ago and I knew within a year that this would be my permanent home. I did it the legal way, but unfortunately there thousands upon thousands who didn't and, because of their illegal status, are now facing deportation to their homeland, even though they may have children born here. Should amnesty be granted to those hardworking, law-abiding folks whose only charge is seeking a better life for their family? I say lets' give them a chance to live in this land, and focus our attention on those illegals who are convicted felons who have nothing to offer but a burden on law enforcement and law-abiding taxpayers!!!
If they are illegal immigrants, I wouldn't qualify them as law-abiding. What's the point of having any laws at all if people are going to arbitrarily choose the laws they are going to follow?
I fully agree, animikokola. Especially if they arrived illegally just to have 'anchor babies' here in order to remain in the US, they are not "immigrants"; they're stowaways. Recall what used to happen to stowaways back when.
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I have found that those that cannot hold to the smaller rules/laws will likewise have no qualms about breaking the bigger ones when the opportunity presents itself. As a general rule if I cannot trust someone with the small issues I can never trust them with the big issues.
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I don't have an issue with the LEGAL immigrants who have chosen to move here in hopes of a better life. I do, however, have an issue with illegal immigrants coming into this country. Its hard enough for Americans who were born and raised in this country to find work and support their families without illegal immigrants (from any country) coming in and taking our jobs and houses.
I'm all for LEGAL immigrants chasing "The American Dream", just not the illegal ones.
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I'm for amnesty. Simply because the resources needed to hunt down people and deport them could be used better elsewhere. If you are for deporting non residents, then encourage your elected officials to go after the people giving them employment.
Nothing will stop them physically from coming here. No fence, no armed border guards. The only way to stop them from coming here illegally is to go after the pople who hire them. If a person faced serious fines/jail time for hiring an illegal and it was ACTUALLY ENFORCED that would be the end of the problem.
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I lived in a border town and let me tell you it is a major problem. They pay no medical, have babies get on welfare have more babies. The crime also goes way up and where ever they live starts too look like the county dump. If they want to live here do it the right way. Have no problems with it. here were time i would see as many as 20 trying to slip into the u.s at a time. Thank God for the border patrol, as i lived out in the country and could get scary at times.
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i really have no problem with the legal immigrants. the only ones i have problems with are the ones that come across the border illegally, then seem to get the govt. help that is declined to the people that are citizens and have worked for years paying into the system. if they come over legally and pay the same taxes and follow the same laws as we do, then as far as i'm concerned they would be more than welcome
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If you came here legally, then you want to be a law abiding citizen. NO PROBLEM. Every few years we give amnesty to everyone who has been here working and can prove it for a while. I don't think that is right, the immigration system quotas were set up so that they could all be absorbed into the country without causing problems. It is not right that a woman drags across the border illegally, has a child and then because the child is born here she gets to stay. The child of illegals should not be given citizenship. Most other countries they are NOT. Most other countries you face very heavy fines and or imprisonment for coming in or staying past visa time limits. I am a Notary Public, the illegal documentation you can buy, are very hard to detect as false, and I do it for a living. So the average person has a really tough time with the paperwork. Also, many illegals workers pay into the system but are afraid to access it. I know of one company that hires illegal workers (sometimes several on one time card) and then every few months calls immigration when it is payroll time. So many of them are getting taken advantage of too.
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Immigrants just add to the flavor here in america, If there were no immigrants, don't ya think things would be a little boring? We need this. And don't talk to me about crime, because reguardless of who crosses that border, crime is always a constant.
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Would be fine if we could actually help them.
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i really have no problem with the legal immigrants. the only ones i have problems with are the ones that come across the border illegally, then seem to get the govt. help that is declined to the people that are citizens and have worked for years paying into the system. if they come over legally and pay the same taxes and follow the same laws as we do, then as far as i'm concerned they would be more than welcome
This is exactly right. There are many illegal immigrants who come here and receive money to go to school and get a degree, and who have children here so that they can get money from welfare. The current set up of the funding in the US is broken, and it needs to be reformed so that real citizens and legal immigrants are the only ones who receive the benefits which are supposed to be limited to the US citizens.
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Such a HOT topic these days. What is the consensus of opinion on this site?? Immigrants made this great nation, and though it seems with the passage of time (and especially since 9/11), they are less then welcomed. I personally came to the States 37 yrs ago and I knew within a year that this would be my permanent home. I did it the legal way, but unfortunately there thousands upon thousands who didn't and, because of their illegal status, are now facing deportation to their homeland, even though they may have children born here. Should amnesty be granted to those hardworking, law-abiding folks whose only charge is seeking a better life for their family? I say lets' give them a chance to live in this land, and focus our attention on those illegals who are convicted felons who have nothing to offer but a burden on law enforcement and law-abiding taxpayers!!!
If they are illegal immigrants, I wouldn't qualify them as law-abiding. What's the point of having any laws at all if people are going to arbitrarily choose the laws they are going to follow?
Indeed. It constitutes unarmed invasion to be completely honest. I for one am sick to death of it and think war should be declared on our part as it already has on their end!
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Immigrants just add to the flavor here in america, If there were no immigrants, don't ya think things would be a little boring? We need this. And don't talk to me about crime, because reguardless of who crosses that border, crime is always a constant.
Says the person that probably got here illegally themselves...
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Immigration amnesty is a sore subject with me! My parents came to this country in '49 from Ukraine, legally. America IS the melting pot and should welcome LEGAL immigrants. Every few years, the government decides to grant amnesty to those who are not here legally and it is wrong. If they keep giving amnesty, why should anyone try to be here legally when in a few years all will be forgiven. We have immegration laws and they should be followed! NO more amnesty!
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I'm an immigrant. I came here 8 years ago. to get our green card, we waited for a few hours at the airport for one. But to become a citizen... we had to physically live here for 5 years before we could apply for citizenship. Then we have to pass the exam in order to get our citizenship and a US passport.
There are MILLIONS of illegal people here!! If we are going to let them stay or HELP them stay here to make a living, then we have to encourage them and help them get a Visa or Residence green card. Those steps are easier and more practical.
Being a citizen of this country is a LONG TERM goal... immigrants are concerned about staying here to earn money, not necessarily becoming citizens. But if we don't enforce LEGAL papers, then they won't want to go take the SIMPLE STEP of getting a Visa or green card. Many people actually don't know it's not that hard to come here legally. It's not THAT HARD!! But they make it hard, and they don't want to know about it...
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I'm an immigrant. I came here 8 years ago. to get our green card, we waited for a few hours at the airport for one. But to become a citizen... we had to physically live here for 5 years before we could apply for citizenship. Then we have to pass the exam in order to get our citizenship and a US passport.
There are MILLIONS of illegal people here!! If we are going to let them stay or HELP them stay here to make a living, then we have to encourage them and help them get a Visa or Residence green card. Those steps are easier and more practical.
Being a citizen of this country is a LONG TERM goal... immigrants are concerned about staying here to earn money, not necessarily becoming citizens. But if we don't enforce LEGAL papers, then they won't want to go take the SIMPLE STEP of getting a Visa or green card. Many people actually don't know it's not that hard to come here legally. It's not THAT HARD!! But they make it hard, and they don't want to know about it...
I applaud you for coming here the right way. Apparently most people are not of your caliber. We need more quality immigrants such as yourself. We also need to eliminate the scum that sneaks in to our country in an underhanded fashion like cockroaches.
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I'm for amnesty. Simply because the resources needed to hunt down people and deport them could be used better elsewhere. If you are for deporting non residents, then encourage your elected officials to go after the people giving them employment.
Nothing will stop them physically from coming here. No fence, no armed border guards. The only way to stop them from coming here illegally is to go after the pople who hire them. If a person faced serious fines/jail time for hiring an illegal and it was ACTUALLY ENFORCED that would be the end of the problem.
How will amnsesty fix the employer problem? It has been tried before and totally failed... One of Reagan's boggest mistakes. People can be kept out... it works all over the world when it is tried.
Any employer caught repeatedly hiring illegalls should be convicted of a felony, fined, and his company be put on some kind of watch list. Both greedy business types as well as brainless progressive 'human rights' types are in on the illegal alien cabal.
I am amazed that you actually identify illegal immigration as a problem. Usually you high minded progressives see nothing worng with hordes of people flooding into the country unchecked, syphoning public dollars, comitting crimes, and suppressing wages.
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Any employer caught repeatedly hiring illegalls should be convicted of a felony, fined, and his company be put on some kind of watch list. Both greedy business types as well as brainless progressive 'human rights' types are in on the illegal alien cabal.
I am amazed that you actually identify illegal immigration as a problem. Usually you high minded progressives see nothing worng with hordes of people flooding into the country unchecked, syphoning public dollars, comitting crimes, and suppressing wages.
Landmines along the border?
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Landmines along the border?
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Now there's a clever idea :bs:
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I am an immigrant in the US. I arrived here in August 2011.....went through all the running around and paperwork in my own country (which cost a small fortune).....I have my green card and social security number, BUT my qualifications from another country are not valid here in the US! Either I have to go back to college to redo these qualifications at a cost or look for whatever job I can find to make a buck or two.....I chose the latter
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Now there's a clever idea :bs:
Dark humor can be subtle.
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Dark humor can be subtle.
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You got that! hehehe
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Now there's a clever idea :bs:
Dark humor can be subtle.
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You got that! hehehe
We're all "immigrants" in a sense. Did you know that ancestral tribes of every single "native american" tribe immigrated here too and aren't "native" afterall? No one does the wandering tribes thing anymore, (except the Romani?), and legal immigration is fine by me.
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Usually you high minded progressives see nothing worng with hordes of people flooding into the country unchecked, syphoning public dollars, comitting crimes, and suppressing wages.
Not to mention a Moroccan man, in the U.S. illegally, who was arrested for plotting to suicide-bomb the country's capital.
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Such a HOT topic these days. What is the consensus of opinion on this site?? Immigrants made this great nation, and though it seems with the passage of time (and especially since 9/11), they are less then welcomed. I personally came to the States 37 yrs ago and I knew within a year that this would be my permanent home. I did it the legal way, but unfortunately there thousands upon thousands who didn't and, because of their illegal status, are now facing deportation to their homeland, even though they may have children born here. Should amnesty be granted to those hardworking, law-abiding folks whose only charge is seeking a better life for their family? I say lets' give them a chance to live in this land, and focus our attention on those illegals who are convicted felons who have nothing to offer but a burden on law enforcement and law-abiding taxpayers!!!
If they are illegal immigrants, I wouldn't qualify them as law-abiding. What's the point of having any laws at all if people are going to arbitrarily choose the laws they are going to follow?
I fully agree, animikokola. Especially if they arrived illegally just to have 'anchor babies' here in order to remain in the US, they are not "immigrants"; they're stowaways. Recall what used to happen to stowaways back when.
Were I agree about the laws needing to be followed and can see the point, I'd like to say I didn't agree with idea of taking people, that have planted their feet firmly on solid ground and spread roots. Up rooting them after so many years seems cruel. I don't however agree that they should just walk away, a warning to them to get their legal right to be here should be issued, and a time for them to get it done right in placed. If they need help getting the money need to make them 'official' needs to be given then lets find away. But lets not punish the children already born here because their parents wanted to raise them in a better place. Although I am going to say I don't know how much better the U.S. really is, after all its become a rather greedy country and would make our forefathers very sad. They might see it as we are turning into those which we fled from back years, and years ago.
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Were I agree about the laws needing to be followed and can see the point, I'd like to say I didn't agree with idea of taking people, that have planted their feet firmly on solid ground and spread roots. Up rooting them after so many years seems cruel.
If they're here illegally, (anchor babies or not), being arrested and deported may seem "cruel" however, these are the legal consequences of their choices.
I don't however agree that they should just walk away, a warning to them to get their legal right to be here should be issued, and a time for them to get it done right in placed.
No doubt immigrating legally was either not considered an option or, disregarded as one. Once they're already here, they've had the opportunity to become legal citizens, got arrested at the border or, have chosen to remain in-country illegally.
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Were I agree about the laws needing to be followed and can see the point, I'd like to say I didn't agree with idea of taking people, that have planted their feet firmly on solid ground and spread roots. Up rooting them after so many years seems cruel.
If they're here illegally, (anchor babies or not), being arrested and deported may seem "cruel" however, these are the legal consequences of their choices.
I don't however agree that they should just walk away, a warning to them to get their legal right to be here should be issued, and a time for them to get it done right in placed.
No doubt immigrating legally was either not considered an option or, disregarded as one. Once they're already here, they've had the opportunity to become legal citizens, got arrested at the border or, have chosen to remain in-country illegally.
??? I'm confused falcon9...mostly because that quote posted above...I don't remember posting that... :dontknow:
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??? I'm confused falcon9...mostly because that quote posted above...I don't remember posting that... :dontknow:
Sorry, that was a mistaken quote which came from "Elizabeth_Garber", not you. The error occurred while replying to more than one person in more than one thread. Either that or, some miscreant was 'praying' for me to make a mistake, (which is unecessary as I am quite capable of making my own mistakes, unaided).
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??? I'm confused falcon9...mostly because that quote posted above...I don't remember posting that... :dontknow:
Sorry, that was a mistaken quote which came from "Elizabeth_Garber", not you. The error occurred while replying to more than one person in more than one thread. Either that or, some miscreant was 'praying' for me to make a mistake, (which is unecessary as I am quite capable of making my own mistakes, unaided).
lol...no prob. (I read that and re-read that and thought I was losing my mind as that didn't sound like me at all.) ;D
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lol...no prob. (I read that and re-read that and thought I was losing my mind as that didn't sound like me at all.) ;D
Wait'll you get to that other thread where you may experience a sudden urge to hang onto your synapses tightly.
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lol...no prob. (I read that and re-read that and thought I was losing my mind as that didn't sound like me at all.) ;D
Wait'll you get to that other thread where you may experience a sudden urge to hang onto your synapses tightly.
I found that other thread...you probably should have hung on to yours!! ;D
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lol...no prob. (I read that and re-read that and thought I was losing my mind as that didn't sound like me at all.) ;D
Wait'll you get to that other thread where you may experience a sudden urge to hang onto your synapses tightly.
I found that other thread...you probably should have hung on to yours!! ;D
As the content of my posts shows, my synapses, (and synopsis), are operating within functional parameters.
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Were I agree about the laws needing to be followed and can see the point, I'd like to say I didn't agree with idea of taking people, that have planted their feet firmly on solid ground and spread roots. Up rooting them after so many years seems cruel.
If they're here illegally, (anchor babies or not), being arrested and deported may seem "cruel" however, these are the legal consequences of their choices.
Key word Their choice, what about the legal children they bring into the world, they had no choice, they where born into the world they live in now. Why must they suffer for the sins of their parents?
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I am all for legal immigration. However, if they are here illegally, then they have no regard for our laws, and deserve to be deported, immediately. If they have no problem breaking one law,what's to stop them from breaking others? As far as undocumented women having babies here, we need to change the law that says, just because you are born here, that you are a citizen. If the parents are here illegally,then an infant born here, should be seen as illegal as well. That might help with the stream of pregnant women who come here illegally, just to give birth, and provide their child with U.S. citizenship. Although they(the parent) has made no contribution to the country, except add another person to the American population,expecting the government to support, not only the baby,but the mother as well.
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Key word Their choice, what about the legal children they bring into the world, they had no choice, they where born into the world they live in now. Why must they suffer for the sins of their parents?
No child has a choice in where they are born; that being wherever the mother happens to be at the time. That makes such a point a non sequitur. Since parents are nominally responsible for their children, the choice rests with the parents.
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I'm basically liberal in my thinking. On this subject, however, I tend to listen to the issues people are facing in the border towns. I think the change in the quality of life in these towns due to the influx of illegal immigrants is representative of the affect of that situation in our country. Although the issues may be more apparent in those locations, the same things are happening in the rest of the country due to this kinds of illegal immigration. It may just not be quite so apparent or visible. Someone earlier said something that made a lot of sense to me. If people come here thinking it's fine to break our laws that somehow that then can set the standard for what kind of citizen they will be.
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Our new Son-in-Law is from Germany and he want to live in the USA with our daughter... we want this too, however, he's going through the Legal hoopla and I think everyone should be able to do this...