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Title: PLease pray for me
Post by: tigerlilly01 on February 27, 2012, 04:41:02 am
If you are a christian and you believe in the power of prayer, PLEASE pray for me and my family.  There really isn't enough time to go into all of the horrible things that are happening right now.   :'(
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: sunflowers20054u on February 27, 2012, 07:02:22 am
I hope all turns out ok tigerlilly.  you are in my thoughts and prayers!! Anyone can pray not only Christians.  I believe in God, the power of prayer and the awesome miracles that happen everyday. :angel11:
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: rghvac69 on February 27, 2012, 07:07:12 am
I just prayed for you and I hope everything turns out okay.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: clickers on February 27, 2012, 07:10:45 am
Hi Tigerlily, I will pray for you & family, I can relate to the terrible things happening myself. God is able just keep on trusting and believing :heart: :peace:
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: dymondzncurlz810 on February 27, 2012, 07:33:54 am
I just prayed. Trust in the Lord and keep your head up. Hold your loved ones close and take care of each other. We have to take care of each other, because who will? I'm with you on facing many hardships right now. Please guide us Lord.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: sak4kat on February 27, 2012, 07:47:57 am
... praying for you and all families going through hard times right now.... :angel11:
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: ajami on February 27, 2012, 08:10:38 am
You and your family will be in our prayers here.  I am not christian but still believe in prayers.  Keep positive thoughts and things will get better.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: dreamyxo on February 27, 2012, 08:23:40 am
I'm not Christian but I am sending good vibes hoping everything will turn out ok.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: geraldp1953 on February 27, 2012, 09:43:53 am
I am praying for you and your family. I hope everything works out for the best.  :angel11:
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: loulizlee on February 27, 2012, 10:07:52 am
I am also praying for you and your family.  I believe God hears and answers prayers. 
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: junis57601 on February 27, 2012, 10:17:50 am
Thoughts and prayers for you and your family. Wish all the best for you!
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: ghunter on February 27, 2012, 10:22:39 am
tigerlilly01 I will pray for you and your family.  Heavenly father be with this family keep your hands in theirs and father let them know you are God and you can do all things through christ that strengthen you.  Amen  Be blessed!
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: jcribb16 on February 27, 2012, 10:28:00 am
I'm really sorry to hear of your family going through this right now.  I prayed for you and your family before writing this and I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers.  I truly hope things get better quickly.

James 5:16  "The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: aggie49 on February 27, 2012, 10:38:55 am
i sure will pray for you and your family hope everything works out for all of you
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: mjdoug03 on February 27, 2012, 11:23:06 am
Posts like this drive me nuts.  People who think that praying actually makes a difference are crazy.  People pray because it makes them feel better instead of taking action, which could yield better results.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: vickysue on February 27, 2012, 12:58:37 pm
May god bless you and hold you and your family firmly within his hands. Prayers go out to you and yours.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: tuyetmai on February 27, 2012, 01:00:00 pm
If you are a christian and you believe in the power of prayer, PLEASE pray for me and my family.  There really isn't enough time to go into all of the horrible things that are happening right now.   :'(
I don't know what you have been through but I'll keep you in my prayer today.  Hope God will be your guide throughout this horrible time.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: jzmom on February 27, 2012, 05:19:41 pm
Matthew 18:20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”   Praying for you and your family, that you will have
peace through this trying time.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: Shandara09 on February 27, 2012, 05:36:51 pm
Will pray for you and keep you in my thoughts.  Hope that things get better for you.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: falcon9 on February 27, 2012, 05:47:54 pm
James 5:16  "The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."



There's no valid evidence to support such a claim therefore, it is a false claim.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: falcon9 on February 27, 2012, 05:51:08 pm
If you are a christian ...



I'm not.


and you believe in the power of prayer ...



I don't.


PLEASE pray for me and my family.  There really isn't enough time to go into all of the horrible things that are happening right now.   :'(



Horrible things happen to almost everyone; praying won't prevent or repair those those - you can only control your own reaction to such events.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: falcon9 on February 27, 2012, 05:57:36 pm
Posts like this drive me nuts.  People who think that praying actually makes a difference are crazy. 


While they're certainly irrational, (demonstrating such by engaging in the irrational practice of 'prayer'), that alone probably doesn't make them "crazy".  More evidence to supportt such a diagnosis would be required to make it.
 
People pray because it makes them feel better instead of taking action, which could yield better results.



I agree however, in many instances, there isn't a viable action to be taken so, some unviable action, (like 'praying'), is resorted to instead.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: SherylsShado on February 27, 2012, 06:01:55 pm
tigerlilly01:  I'll be praying for you (and will have my prayer groups praying for you this week).  Two verses that I rely on when things aren't going very well:
  "Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.  In all your ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct your paths".  Proverbs 3:5-6
    "But they that wait on the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint".  Isaiah 40:31
                   
 

 
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: falcon9 on February 27, 2012, 06:08:50 pm
Proverbs 3:5-6
Isaiah 40:31
                   


How can referencing a dubious source which has no evidence of veracity help even the 'faithful'?  Does it provide 'emotional support' in lieu of supernatural assistance?
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: SherylsShado on February 27, 2012, 06:11:21 pm
If you are a christian ...



I'm not.


and you believe in the power of prayer ...



I don't.


PLEASE pray for me and my family.  There really isn't enough time to go into all of the horrible things that are happening right now.   :'(



Horrible things happen to almost everyone; praying won't prevent or repair those those - you can only control your own reaction to such events.

 The Lord sure didn't bless you with an abundance of "tact", did He?  ::) 
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: lbryanwf on February 27, 2012, 06:25:26 pm
Tiger lily I pray every day for others and myself. I will surely say a prayer for you and ask that whatever is wrong be made right....God Bless and I hope things improve soon :angel11:
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: falcon9 on February 27, 2012, 06:27:23 pm
The Lord sure didn't bless you with an abundance of "tact", did He?  ::) 



Since there is zero evidence of such a 'being' existing to "bless" anyone with anything, the question has no valid meaning.  Any tact I possess, I came about honestly.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: premar16 on February 27, 2012, 06:41:21 pm
im sorry that times are tough  for you right now .I am not christian but i do believe as a fellow human that taking the time to hope for the well being of others instead of just ourselves is a very powerful.good luck I hope things get better.the issue here is not a religious one.She/he was asking for help and I think that the part we should be focusing on not religion
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: falcon9 on February 27, 2012, 06:53:23 pm
the issue here is not a religious one.



It is when one reads the thread title and the numerous religious responses to it.


She/he was asking for help and I think that the part we should be focusing on not religion



She specifically asked for 'prayers' from xtians, (presumably disregarding any other assistance or, invocations by non-xtian belief systems).
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: premar16 on February 27, 2012, 06:57:03 pm
okay i see your point but I was trying to keep the peace and be friendly
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: awette26 on February 27, 2012, 07:01:54 pm
I am praying for u too so that everything will be ok. anybody can pray not only christians
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: falcon9 on February 27, 2012, 07:08:18 pm
anybody can pray not only christians



The impression was given that such from 'devil-worshipping satanists' or, Santeria perhaps would be as appreciated.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: gramev64 on February 27, 2012, 08:42:24 pm
I will pray for you and your family.  I know God hears all our prayers and I know He will get you through the tough times, thats His promise to us!
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: falcon9 on February 27, 2012, 09:20:17 pm
I know God hears all our prayers and I know He will get you through the tough times, thats His promise to us!


If you actually did "know" any such thing, there would be evidence supporting such contentions.  If those contentions do constitute a "promise", the mythical promiser is an oath-breaker, (these were known as warlocks, in the ancient sense of the word).
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: patrick122068 on February 27, 2012, 09:24:17 pm
I prayed for you and i hope you get to feeling better soon.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: lgemini on February 28, 2012, 02:56:19 am
I will pray for you and your family.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: cody0608 on February 28, 2012, 04:31:12 am
I will pray for you and your family.  I hope things start to turn around for you.  :angel11:
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: SherylsShado on February 28, 2012, 06:23:50 am
The Lord sure didn't bless you with an abundance of "tact", did He?  ::)  



Since there is zero evidence of such a 'being' existing to "bless" anyone with anything, the question has no valid meaning.  Any tact I possess, I came about honestly.

There's zero evidence of you possessing any tact...honestly. 
     This thread was posted in "Off Topic" and NOT in d&d.  The OP is a long-time FC member and it's obvious she's going through a very difficult time.  This member has quite often posted posts that have been very nice for her to share.  When it's obvious someone is hurting and other FC members care about her & wish to help---for someone to be there "questioning/mocking" them has about as much tact as the Westboro members that show up and protest at funerals.  Please be more considerate, I know you can be.  Thanks!! :)
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: Abrupt on February 28, 2012, 07:35:38 am
James 5:16  "The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."



There's no valid evidence to support such a claim therefore, it is a false claim.

You have committed an Argumentum ad ignorantiam here by claiming something must be false simply because it hasn't been proven true.  Furthermore, your posting in this thread can be nothing more than a hateful attempt at the OP (even if you didn't reply to them directly).  I am not the most proud man, but even I wouldn't kick someone when they were down, and I sure as hell wouldn't spit on them if they begged for a drink of water.  Why don't you go find any sick puppies or kittens to kick around if you feel so insecure to have to prove yourself.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: b1pearl on February 28, 2012, 08:22:12 am
May God bless you & your family in your trouble times. I have prayed for you & your family and will continue. Your prayers are being taken care of as we speak (or write) so don't give up;just keep believing that things will change for the better. :angel12: Try and have a beautiful day.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: SherylsShado on February 28, 2012, 12:00:06 pm
For the record, I like falcon.  If I could have messaged what I posted earlier in private, I would have done so.  Understandably FC doesn't allow that.  It wasn't my intention for others to get mad at him, I was just trying to drop him some "hints", give him a "heads up".  It's not his style to be deliberately mean to anyone in the forums--- I'm quite sure he didn't mean any harm.  I know he tends to pound out alot of posts in a hurry and I think it's possible he read the thread title and didn't realize this wasn't a d&d thread (especially since there's a d&d thread in progress on the topic of prayer).
     Anyway...out of respect for the OP (tigerlilly), please everyone focus on prayers for her and no "falcon-bashing".  :peace: and  :heart: make the world a BETTER place!!
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: falcon9 on February 28, 2012, 01:07:24 pm
There's zero evidence of you possessing any tact...honestly. 



While I may have been less than 'tactful' in this particular thread, the assumption of zero evidence of "any tact" would be a dishonest one.


     This thread was posted in "Off Topic" and NOT in d&d. 


True however, a contentious topic, (specifically, 'prayer'), was posted as "off topic" and this does not preclude dissent or discussion of it.
 

The OP is a long-time FC member and it's obvious she's going through a very difficult time.  This member has quite often posted posts that have been very nice for her to share.  When it's obvious someone is hurting and other FC members care about her & wish to help---for someone to be there "questioning/mocking" them has about as much tact as the Westboro members that show up and protest at funerals.  Please be more considerate, I know you can be.  Thanks!! :)


As you no doubt have determined by now, I do not consider 'prayer' to constitute "help" and delineated why I hold such a position.  This does not preclude an awareness of a difficult situation, nor support for the OP getting useful help.  "Tact" can often be a subjective term with fuzzy parameters encompassing other vague terms such as 'politeness' and what is 'tactless' or 'impolite' to one may not be to another's perceptions.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: falcon9 on February 28, 2012, 01:14:42 pm
It's not his style to be deliberately mean to anyone in the forums--- I'm quite sure he didn't mean any harm. 


No deliberate "harm" was intended by replies made in regards to 'prayer'.  I simply meant that useful assistance for the unspecified problems would be more effective than general superstitious well-wishings.


I know he tends to pound out alot of posts in a hurry and I think it's possible he read the thread title and didn't realize this wasn't a d&d thread (especially since there's a d&d thread in progress on the topic of prayer).



On the contrary, I tend to give thoughtful consideration to content rather than simply pounding out a lot of posts in a hurry.  Be that as it may appear, the responses made fit within an "off topic" thread as well as the subforum of D+D.

 
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: SherylsShado on February 28, 2012, 01:32:26 pm
"private post to falcon":
geez, remind me to never take you to church without a roll of duct tape.  :-X
   
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: d1cheetah on February 28, 2012, 01:40:40 pm
prayer provides hope, faith, and many times changes events.  Just because you can't prove it doesn't make it false.  Lives have been saved because of their faith from praying.  It may only be psychological, or it may be from the spirit.  Neither you or I can say which is responsible.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: falcon9 on February 28, 2012, 01:41:24 pm
"private post to falcon":
geez, remind me to never take you to church without a roll of duct tape.  :-X
   


That's partly what it would take to get me into one in the first place - that and a tranquilzer dart.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: falcon9 on February 28, 2012, 01:50:23 pm
prayer provides hope, faith, and many times changes events. 



There is no evidence attributing changes of events to "prayer", "faith" or, "hope."


Just because you can't prove it doesn't make it false. 



A lack of evidence either means that there isn't any, that none can be found or, that none has been presented.  An unsupported claim, (such as the efficacy of "prayer"), is a dubious one at best.

Lives have been saved because of their faith from praying. 


There is no evidence to support such a claim, which makes it a dubious one at best.
 

It may only be psychological, or it may be from the spirit.  Neither you or I can say which is responsible.


Substantiating evidence to support an attribution to a supernatural source is lacking.  The onus is upon those who make such dubious attributions to either support their claim with evidence or with 'faith'.  If 'faith' is the basis for those attributions, a dubious claim has been made.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: d1cheetah on February 28, 2012, 02:40:16 pm
It's called Faith.  Some have it.  Some don't.  I guess we know which side of the fence you fall on Falcon.   :thumbsup:  I still pray for those in need.  It may help them, or it may just make me feel good.  At least I can feel comforted in knowing I feel for others in their times of need.  Doesn't mean you don't...   but you just don't show it very well in a thread that started out asking for prayers from those that believe in prayer.  You obviously don't but keep putting down those that do.  Maybe this isn't the thread for your logic...  or can't you figure that out yet.    :dontknow:
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: falcon9 on February 28, 2012, 03:21:04 pm
It's called Faith.  Some have it.  Some don't.  I guess we know which side of the fence you fall on Falcon.   :thumbsup:



Yes, I'm well aware of what it's called and what "faith" actually means.  Are you?


I still pray for those in need.  It may help them, or it may just make me feel good.  At least I can feel comforted in knowing I feel for others in their times of need. 


Such "comfort" or well-wishing doesn't alter the circumstances 'prayed' for however.

Doesn't mean you don't...   but you just don't show it very well in a thread that started out asking for prayers from those that believe in prayer.



How do you know whether or not questioning the efficacy of 'prayer' motivates those employing it to seek more effective solutions?

  You obviously don't but keep putting down those that do.  Maybe this isn't the thread for your logic...  or can't you figure that out yet.    :dontknow:


Since I'm not selectively logical, (I apply it even to my own perceptions, as well as to those of others), I don't consider it to be so much as a 'put down' that others may.  Looking at it from an alternate point of view, if 'praying' doesn't help, maybe other more effective means will be sought.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: ancmetro on February 28, 2012, 04:05:52 pm

      Sometimes prayer along is not going to work. Maybe some compassionate words are more appropriate.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: foxyflakes on February 28, 2012, 06:56:05 pm
It takes a lot out of pple to ask for help or even prayers... as the good book says.. knock and the door will open... my prayers goes out to you and your family.. wishing you all guidance, strength and protection. May the lord guide you all through whatever tough times you're going through
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: falcon9 on February 28, 2012, 09:33:27 pm
You have committed an Argumentum ad ignorantiam here by claiming something must be false simply because it hasn't been proven true. 


Not quite.  If the premise of an argumentum ad ignorantiam is an appeal to ignorance" (where "ignorance" stands for: "lack of evidence to the contrary"), my contention that the assertion responded to lacks evidence and is therefore false does not confer 'truth' upon the claim contended.  While it is technically correct that a lack of evidence does not itself falsify a claim, that lack does emphasis that the claim has no evidential basis, (which is what I normally reply when specious claims are made so, good catch there).


Furthermore, your posting in this thread can be nothing more than a hateful attempt at the OP (even if you didn't reply to them directly). 


Now you're simply attributing things to my posts which are not explicitly or implicitly inherent in them.  These are instead, your perceptions, (which, as the one who posted concerning the ineffectiveness of 'prayer', I can contend are entirely subjective and not based in objective evidence).


I am not the most proud man, but even I wouldn't kick someone when they were down, and I sure as hell wouldn't spit on them if they begged for a drink of water. 


Since there was neither a literal nor, figurative "kick" or 'spitting on' the OP, such characterizations are not accurate.  What was posted instead was the direct implication that some solution other than 'prayer' be sought as being more effective, (and without knowing the specifics which were not posted, only a general suggestion could be made).


Why don't you go find any sick puppies or kittens to kick around if you feel so insecure to have to prove yourself.


The assumption that I'm "insecure" is merely an unsubstantiated 'flame' which lacks supporting evidence of it's veracity.  I happen to like puppies and kittens and am unlikely to consider kicking either around.  While you're erecting strawmen to knock over, consider cease beating your wife too.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: lilsexi21 on February 28, 2012, 09:56:12 pm
If you are a christian and you believe in the power of prayer, PLEASE pray for me and my family.  There really isn't enough time to go into all of the horrible things that are happening right now.   :'(


I will keep you in my prayer :heart:
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: Stephaniehay on February 28, 2012, 09:59:25 pm
Me and my family will pray for You and yours
 :angel12:
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: jnjmolly on February 28, 2012, 11:10:23 pm
I wish you happiness and health!!! I hope everything turns around for you and for your family!!! I will pray for you all!!!  :peace:  :heart:
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: tantricia44 on February 29, 2012, 01:42:12 am
tigerlilly~ I'm not a christian in fact I'm an ex- catholic turned Agnostic but I do believe that there is an energy in the universe that is greater than us. So, I will call upon the heavens to help your family. I'll also call upon my die hard catholic family members to pray & light a candle for your family. I hope everything turns out all right for you & your family. :wave:
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: Abrupt on February 29, 2012, 03:50:10 am
You have committed an Argumentum ad ignorantiam here by claiming something must be false simply because it hasn't been proven true. 


Not quite.  If the premise of an argumentum ad ignorantiam is an appeal to ignorance" (where "ignorance" stands for: "lack of evidence to the contrary"), my contention that the assertion responded to lacks evidence and is therefore false does not confer 'truth' upon the claim contended.  While it is technically correct that a lack of evidence does not itself falsify a claim, that lack does emphasis that the claim has no evidential basis, (which is what I normally reply when specious claims are made so, good catch there).

Yes you usually go about this in the other direction and I do believe this is the first time I have noticed you flip to the reverse.

Why don't you go find any sick puppies or kittens to kick around if you feel so insecure to have to prove yourself.


The assumption that I'm "insecure" is merely an unsubstantiated 'flame' which lacks supporting evidence of it's veracity.  I happen to like puppies and kittens and am unlikely to consider kicking either around.  While you're erecting strawmen to knock over, consider cease beating your wife too.

I had just watched that stupid 'Blades' video with the excessive profanity and obnoxious and self righteous approach.  I do believe that something about that video is contagious to me, to my disappointment.  A use of a classic loaded question, bravo.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: falcon9 on February 29, 2012, 04:31:41 am
I had just watched that stupid 'Blades' video with the excessive profanity and obnoxious and self righteous approach.  I do believe that something about that video is contagious to me, to my disappointment.  A use of a classic loaded question, bravo.


I'd tend to agree that the Blades video seemed to be intentionally stereotypical in a few regards.  As to loaded questions; they can be used instructively insofar as practice in refuting the elemental components which they contain.

In regards to the topic of this thread; a hypothetically-"loaded" question occurs to me.  If xtian 'prayer' is considered to be "helpful", why wouldn't a satanic ritual to answer the request, (let's say), be as effective?
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: tantricia44 on February 29, 2012, 08:10:10 am
Lives have been saved because of their faith from praying. 
There is no evidence to support such a claim, which makes it a dubious one at best.[/font]LoL, Falcon9 you always love to create chaos when it's dealing w/the church going sheeps. I haven't been to church either since I reach my twenties. Catholic Dad & Mom decided I was old enough to make a choice on what religion or not, I wanted to pursue. If they hadn't force me & my siblings to go to church every sun at the ungodly hrs of 6am, I may have followed the faith. So, it's their own fault by forcing us to go to church none of the six kids are religious. I drew the line when I was told i had to go to church & I went then got punished b/c I was wearing a shorts & t shirt. I told my mom, I don't think god would care what I wore as long as I was there. Slowly, I began questioning the stuff they talk about christ,religion, faith, prayer....they never could come up with a good answer. I get back at my mom for the years of torture dragging us kids to church on sunday. I mean, even god took a break on sunday. Why can't we?lol just to annoy them when some1 at the hospital get saved b4 mom could say, thank -g.... I break in & say thank the dr,nurses,hospital staff & all involved in saving this patient's life. For once give the humans that credit for, going to school learning a craft or skill to save the dying patient. I don't think it's right to give credit to a deity that may or may not be real. God, help's those who, help themselves, well if that's the case why in hell would i need god? It reminds me of the do nothing republicans today. Do nothing but take the credit for it when it turns out to be successful. If I have to chose between a deity or medical science to save, my life...hands down, I'm picking the doctor!LOL! Keep it up Falcon9 I love the way you just stir such strong emotions b/c you question their faith. :thumbsup: :wave: :peace: :wave:
 
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: marcar1008 on February 29, 2012, 10:35:23 am
 :angel11: I ask our good Lord to Guide you and your family in everything you do and everything you are facing at the moment. May God always be with you and help you in every aspect of life. Blessings.  :wave: :heart:
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: falcon9 on February 29, 2012, 11:20:14 am
[/font]LoL, Falcon9 you always love to create chaos when it's dealing w/the church going sheeps.

It's not chaos that I'm trying to create though; it's more of a prompting them to question their own assumptions.  Any apparent chaos arises when they adamently refuse to do so.


I haven't been to church either since I reach my twenties. Catholic Dad & Mom decided I was old enough to make a choice on what religion or not, I wanted to pursue. If they hadn't force me & my siblings to go to church every sun at the ungodly hrs of 6am, I may have followed the faith. So, it's their own fault by forcing us to go to church none of the six kids are religious. I drew the line when I was told i had to go to church & I went then got punished b/c I was wearing a shorts & t shirt. I told my mom, I don't think god would care what I wore as long as I was there.


Forcing kids, (or anyone), to be part of a religion is coercive and infringes upon their free will.  More often than not, such parents who did so didn't want to hire a sitter and never even considered that they were inflicted superstitious beliefs upon impressionable children.  Although many of those who did realize that they were doing the inflicting also felt/feel that they have some 'right' to do so as the parents.  There is no such right, even under the concept of 'A'hm a-raisin' 'em like Ah wanna and ya'll cain't tell me no different no how'.

Slowly, I began questioning the stuff they talk about christ,religion, faith, prayer....they never could come up with a good answer.


That's very similar to what's going on within some forum threads these days.


I get back at my mom for the years of torture dragging us kids to church on sunday. I mean, even god took a break on sunday. Why can't we?lol just to annoy them when some1 at the hospital get saved b4 mom could say, thank -g.... I break in & say thank the dr,nurses,hospital staff & all involved in saving this patient's life. For once give the humans that credit for, going to school learning a craft or skill to save the dying patient. I don't think it's right to give credit to a deity that may or may not be real.


I wouldn't consider that as "getting back" at her since the medical staff does all the attributable work, (supported by the evidence of employed medical procedures), they should get all the credit.  Of course, medical science cannot cure or save everyone so, they should take the 'blame' for that as well.

God, help's those who, help themselves, well if that's the case why in hell would i need god? It reminds me of the do nothing republicans today. Do nothing but take the credit for it when it turns out to be successful.


In much the same way, the republicans are blaming the democratic president for 8 years of republican rampages when they were in charge of running things into the dirt for 3/4 of the last 12 years.  Notice the parallels between shifting blame, ("the democratics did it" & "the devil did it")?

If I have to chose between a deity or medical science to save, my life...hands down, I'm picking the doctor!LOL! Keep it up Falcon9 I love the way you just stir such strong emotions b/c you question their faith. :thumbsup: :wave: :peace: :wave:

Thanks, T.  It isn't just a matter of my questioning their 'faith'; it's also a matter of whether or not they have the courage to question their own.  How strong is such a 'faith' that cannot be questioned?
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: falcon9 on February 29, 2012, 11:30:19 am
:angel11: I ask our good Lord to Guide you and your family in everything you do and everything you are facing at the moment. May God always be with you and help you in every aspect of life. Blessings.  :wave: :heart:

In order to provide additional coverage and avoid a biased slant of one 'religion' over others, I've requested that certain associates 'help out' too.
A partial excerpt of their efforts includes the following:

"Five black candles lit, incense burning ... hooded figures sit, invocations turning ... the principle of darkness called upon to aid and comfort {insert name here} in their time of need ... sage burnt to complete the deed ... "


Traditionally, I hear there's some sort of payment for this, similar to the one the xtian religion requires.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: sammywantsya on February 29, 2012, 11:32:24 am
falcon isnt this belittling others faith? your a hypocrite i swear. just because they wanna help other fellow christians doesnt make you right to say there is no GOD. stop with all the hate man. give it up ... i think the admins and staff should keep on eye on you for this.. its getting to a point where your comments has been effecting others in a negative light. GROW UP!!!
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: falcon9 on February 29, 2012, 12:02:28 pm
falcon isnt this belittling others faith?


No, since any other 'religion' has just as much validity as the xtian one, (according to the US constitution).  


your a hypocrite i swear.


I've made no hypocritical statements in this regard.  If you have evidence to the contrary, produce it in context.  If not, you make false accusations and that would be a hypocrisy under xtian beliefs.


just because they wanna help other fellow christians doesnt make you right to say there is no GOD.

There's a difference between claiming there is, (or isn't), such a 'being' and questioning the claims that there is made by others.  Further, there is an equal opportunity for dissenting views, (especially on the "Debate+Discussion" subforum).


stop with all the hate man. give it up ...


Questioning is not "hate".  I'd request that you cease the false characterizations and fallacious tactics if you can however, I'm not trying to curb or censor your freedom to spout nonsense.


i think the admins and staff should keep on eye on you for this..


They are already aware of my participation on the forums and have indicated that D+D is "A place to have political, religious, and other divisive discussions. Enter at your own risk!"  (D+D being a subforum of the "Off Topic" forum).  Also, the faint of heart and those lacking the courage of their convictions can always use the "ignore" function to avert their eyes from any uncomfortable dissent.


its getting to a point where your comments has been effecting others in a negative light.

It's 'affecting', not "effecting"; the two words have different meanings, (otherwise a typo is a typo).  Regardless, have you ever considered that such 'religious bombardments' coming from the 'believers' might be affecting others negatively or, is this entirely a one-sided gripe?
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: robin1128 on February 29, 2012, 12:04:24 pm
A pray goes out to you and yours.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: sammywantsya on February 29, 2012, 12:07:40 pm
anyways enough of falcons jibber....

 but to the OP ill be praying for ya.. i know your going through a tough time dont mind the haters here. there too stubborn.. but hope you feel better by the end of the day ... just ignore falcon hes just a sore loser..
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: falcon9 on February 29, 2012, 12:09:28 pm
anyways enough of falcons jibber....
... just ignore falcon hes just a sore loser..

How hypocritical, "sammy" is trolling me instead of taking their own advice and 'ignoring' my posts.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: sammywantsya on February 29, 2012, 12:27:20 pm
how hypocritical of you bashing others belief? and saying something that no one in this thread understands? your the hypocrite kiddo... some pple here in this thread are getting frustrated with your antics. grow up man... and start appreciating your life...

i think you remember this line from the user name "Abrubt" >>> "If you don't want to believe in anything, you have free willl to do whatever you want, but stop attacking everybody who does believe in God."
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: falcon9 on February 29, 2012, 12:39:01 pm
how hypocrital of you bashing others belief?

Your misuse of the word "hypocritical" is accepted as evidence of your ignorance.

and saying something that no one in this thread understands?


Any comprehension deficiencies extant are entirely the responsibility of those unable to comprehend English.


your the hypocrite kiddo...

My what?  Your additional example of misusing the word "hypocrite" is accepted as compelling evidence of ignorance, (not to mention "your" for "you're" - as in "you are").

some pple here in this thread are getting frustrated with your antics. 

No doubt at least some of your 'frustration' stems from certain lacks of your own, rather than any "antics" of others.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: ajami on March 01, 2012, 02:19:11 am
This is really, really sad that this started for a prayer for someone that lost a loved one and it turned into a debate of reliigion, arguing and disrepect.  This thread is not a debate about religion or any other debate.  It is about helping someone that is in pain.  Debates and arguing should be taking out of this thread and moved into debate section.  But that is just my opinion for all it is worth.  Everyone needs to grow up and respect each other.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: falcon9 on March 01, 2012, 02:29:40 am
This thread is not a debate about religion or any other debate.  It is about helping someone that is in pain.


This thread requested 'prayer', which falls nominally under "religion".  Whether or not such 'prayer' is effective "help" is debatable, whether you think it's "disrespectful" or not.


Debates and arguing should be taking out of this thread and moved into debate section.

So, your opinion is that debatable topics should be moved from "off topics" to the D+D subforum of Off Topic?  If so, perhaps it should have been posted there initially.  If not, the implied censorship is selectively 'disrespectful'.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: meli71 on March 01, 2012, 02:35:04 am
Your in my prayers.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: mrisha on March 01, 2012, 09:16:23 am
My prayers goes out to you and your family and I hope things will improve soon for you.  God is good and will hold you safely.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: JediJohnnie on March 01, 2012, 02:33:45 pm
falcon isnt this belittling others faith? your a hypocrite i swear. just because they wanna help other fellow christians doesnt make you right to say there is no GOD. stop with all the hate man. give it up ... i think the admins and staff should keep on eye on you for this.. its getting to a point where your comments has been effecting others in a negative light. GROW UP!!!


Make it easy on yourself,Sammy and join the ranks of us who have put Falcon on Ignore. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: JediJohnnie on March 01, 2012, 02:36:12 pm
This is really, really sad that this started for a prayer for someone that lost a loved one and it turned into a debate of reliigion, arguing and disrepect.  This thread is not a debate about religion or any other debate.  It is about helping someone that is in pain.  Debates and arguing should be taking out of this thread and moved into debate section.  But that is just my opinion for all it is worth.  Everyone needs to grow up and respect each other.


Sadly,it happens all the time around here.There are several Atheists here that will take every opportunity to bash people of Faith,instead of keeping those discussions in D&D where they belong. :angry7:
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: memedumb on March 01, 2012, 02:41:05 pm
You are in my prayers. 

Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: falcon9 on March 01, 2012, 06:08:01 pm
Make it easy on yourself,Sammy and join the ranks of us who have put Falcon on Ignore. :thumbsup:

Supposedly, "sammy" was to have done that more than a month ago.  For some non-reasoned reason, neither of you appear able to comprehend the concept of "ignore" and continue posting about someone whom you presumably have on "ignore".  Talking about someone does not constitute ignoring them however, it does constitute some evidence of being passive-aggressive and childish.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: falcon9 on March 01, 2012, 06:11:02 pm
There are several Atheists here that will take every opportunity to bash people of Faith,instead of keeping those discussions in D&D where they belong. :angry7:

The contentious topic was initially posted in the "off topic" forum, rather than the D+D forum; which is why dissent regarding the efficacy of a contentious practice was challenged in "off topic", (as well as in D+D).
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: constance312003 on March 01, 2012, 06:14:28 pm
My prayers are with you and I pray the Lord has shown you what He expects from you.  Do not give up hope.  The Lord will never leave you or forsake you.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: falcon9 on March 01, 2012, 07:37:32 pm
There really isn't enough time to go into all of the horrible things that are happening right now.   :'(

However, there was time to make several unrelated posts the next day, (2-28-12).  While no thanks were presumably expected for getting all those people to 'pray' for you, I wonder if any 'results' were attributed to such activities?
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: lynnc35 on March 01, 2012, 07:46:34 pm
I have prayed for you!! Through Faith all things will be made whole!!
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: falcon9 on March 01, 2012, 08:15:00 pm
Through Faith all things will be made whole!!


Your unsupported contention is challenged, (although there is little expectation that the unfounded assertion can be supported).
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: tashamjoy on March 02, 2012, 08:58:02 am
I hope everything works out for you
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: d1cheetah on March 02, 2012, 03:56:11 pm
tigerlilly, I hope things are looking brighter for you.  You have seen many here showing their caring attitudes towards your adversities.  I hope things turn for the better in the near future for you.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: kqa on March 02, 2012, 04:35:55 pm
You got it, and I am asking for the same.  I just got out of the hospital after being very ill.  Hugs & prayers!
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: d1cheetah on March 02, 2012, 04:57:11 pm
kqa, it sometimes takes a while to start to feel your strength and motivation after being hospitalized.  Take it easy and let time do it's job healing. 
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: duroz on March 03, 2012, 09:10:55 am
"private post to falcon":
geez, remind me to never take you to church without a roll of duct tape.  :-X 

That's partly what it would take to get me into one in the first place - that and a tranquilzer dart. 

I would FOR SURE have the tranquilizer dart and gun ready, and use it before going on this little "Field Trip"; (YIKES! :o What an outing THIS could turn out to be!)
I wouldn't *bleep* around with duct tape, I don't think it will stand up to the task;

I WOULD also arm myself with a fire extinguisher, especially if I was going to be sitting next to (or ANYWHERE near) falcon9 once arriving at said church....
I'm pretty sure there's a good possibility that if he goes into the church, he will BURST INTO FLAME!!  :P  ::)  ;D  :o  :-X   

Have fun on the field trip!!  :wave:  Take lots of pictures!!
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: yaayme on March 03, 2012, 10:02:32 am
Done!...Sending blessings your way dear...Hold on and trust that everything is going to be okay!
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: falcon9 on March 03, 2012, 01:18:58 pm
I WOULD also arm myself with a fire extinguisher, especially if I was going to be sitting next to (or ANYWHERE near) falcon9 once arriving at said church....I'm pretty sure there's a good possibility that if he goes into the church, he will BURST INTO FLAME!!  :P  ::)  ;D  :o  :-X   
Have fun on the field trip!!  :wave:  Take lots of pictures!!

Given previous comments in that regard, one wouldn't be surprised if they believed that there's a possibility of the church bursting into flame instead, leaving me 'suspiciously' untouched.  :o
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: constance312003 on March 03, 2012, 01:53:19 pm
Expect a praise report soon.  Have you ever noticed atheist are so angry and ready to fight.
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: HuffmanFamilyof4 on March 03, 2012, 01:55:09 pm
I prayed for you, hope everything is going well now.In Christ...
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: falcon9 on March 03, 2012, 01:59:43 pm
Have you ever noticed atheist are so angry and ready to fight.

Have you ever noticed how religionists are so ready to assume things without basis, (like "anger" or conflating reasonable challenge with "fight")?
Title: Re: PLease pray for me
Post by: deelow20 on March 03, 2012, 02:18:48 pm
you are in my thoughts and prayers. :angel11: