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**Pretty sure this is going to go extremely religious - is or isn't there a God yada yada blah blah blah or it will go Anti-Obama why he's the worst president etc etc etc so prepare yourselves readers!**
So I overheard an interesting conversation the other day. A gal asked, what if Obama is the second coming. Now again overhearing, here is what I gathered: the time coincides perfectly w/the end of the world in 2012 and his push to get health care coverage for everyone and wanting to give people a little more equality could be the Saviors way of showing us how selfish we are if we don't help the needy.
Now being this was an interesting spin on the Second Coming and Obama himself, what are peoples thoughts on this? :wave:
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**Pretty sure this is going to go extremely religious - is or isn't there a God yada yada blah blah blah or it will go Anti-Obama why he's the worst president etc etc etc so prepare yourselves readers!**
It would be more difficult than worthwhile to respond non-religiously/non-politically when the context-punch is already spiked.
So I overheard an interesting conversation the other day. A gal asked, what if Obama is the second coming. Now again overhearing, here is what I gathered: the time coincides perfectly w/the end of the world in 2012 and his push to get health care coverage for everyone and wanting to give people a little more equality could be the Saviors way of showing us how selfish we are if we don't help the needy.
Now being this was an interesting spin on the Second Coming and Obama himself, what are peoples thoughts on this? :wave:
Right off the bat, your overheard conversation mistakes the end of one Mayan longcount cycle, (and the beginning of another), for the "end of the world" so, there's no coincidence there. It's unclear how putting additional financial/debt burdens on already strained government programs will provide more "equality" for people, (unless you mean, break the system so no one gets anything?). Finally, there aren't any attributable correlations between a new longcount cycle on a Mayan calendar which we no longer use, a healthcare plan which won't go into effect for some years and Obama as some vague conception of the "second coming".
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All i can say is God help our country if he gets reelected.
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If Obama is the second coming, I sure hope he is the first going. So many things are being done behind the backs of the people and by the time they all figure it out, I fear it will be way to late for our country.
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So many things are being done behind the backs of the people and by the time they all figure it out, I fear it will be way to late for our country.
Such as?
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So many things are being done behind the backs of the people and by the time they all figure it out, I fear it will be way to late for our country.
Such as?
Chiropractic adjustments and deep tissue massages?
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Second coming of what? I don't understand why he had to come the first time. Was it Hawaii or Kenya Africa? Many of us are still trying to figure it out. And he certainly is not a saviour to anything, except maybe congress and his family, that's about all.
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Second coming of what? I don't understand why he had to come the first time.
Not a 'rapture' type of xtian, are you? That's alright, I never understood why "born again xtians" didn't need a new birth certificate - unless it was due to the fact that the concept is nothing more than an internal delusion.
Was it Hawaii or Kenya Africa? Many of us are still trying to figure it out. And he certainly is not a saviour to anything, except maybe congress and his family, that's about all.
Diversionary tangent tactic? Okay, Obama was permitted to run for, (let alone accept the nomination of), president and hold that office despite litigative challenges under U.S. laws. So, that means that you're republican? <-- specious conclusion drawn from vaguely specious insinuations
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So many things are being done behind the backs of the people and by the time they all figure it out, I fear it will be way to late for our country.
Such as?
Chiropractic adjustments and deep tissue massages?
I could really use those. Where do I sign up?
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So many things are being done behind the backs of the people and by the time they all figure it out, I fear it will be way to late for our country.
Such as?
Chiropractic adjustments and deep tissue massages?
I could really use those. Where do I sign up?
Since they're done behind your back, they'd have to be surreptitiously-arranged, (like a surprise or, politics).
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So I overheard an interesting conversation the other day. A gal asked, what if Obama is the second coming. Now again overhearing, here is what I gathered: the time coincides perfectly w/the end of the world in 2012 and his push to get health care coverage for everyone and wanting to give people a little more equality could be the Saviors way of showing us how selfish we are if we don't help the needy.
Now being this was an interesting spin on the Second Coming and Obama himself, what are peoples thoughts on this? :wave:
Right off the bat, your overheard conversation mistakes the end of one Mayan longcount cycle, (and the beginning of another), for the "end of the world" so, there's no coincidence there. It's unclear how putting additional financial/debt burdens on already strained government programs will provide more "equality" for people, (unless you mean, break the system so no one gets anything?). Finally, there aren't any attributable correlations between a new longcount cycle on a Mayan calendar which we no longer use, a healthcare plan which won't go into effect for some years and Obama as some vague conception of the "second coming".
I was always taught that it was just going to be the end of the world as we know it. So I agree, end of one Mayan cycle and beginning of another. As for the financial/debt burdens, that whole thing is so up in the air for me. I haven't had health insurance for 4+years, apparently I am too rich to get assistance - luckily in CO my son does qualify for a child health plan but that doesn't help me when I get sick so it would be nice to have some type of coverage that doesn't cost a billion dollars. On the other side of it I understand people do work hard for their money, how others think this could break our system. And like I said I overheard this gal so I'm sure there was more to her second coming conversation that I didn't catch so I thought by posing it here others would pitch in and maybe fill in those gaps if they were thinking like her :wave:
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When Jesus Christ returns he will come on the clouds with all power and authority. Every eye will se him. Obama nor anyone of us can ever hope to be the second coming.
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::) Uhhhh, no!...Anybody who believes that is foolish. If he was Jesus, he wouldn't be signing bills and other worldly nonsense. Instead he would be kicking tail with the wrath of God and sending people to the pits of hell. Am I right?
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Mr. Obama can't be the first coming since Jesus has already come in the flesh once, and is returning in the flesh again. And Obama can't be the Antichrist because he is coming out of the revived roman empire according to the Bible.
Its a shame Mr. Obama is taking the reigns from the Liberals of his party instead of just governing from the center like President Clinton did. I would vote for President Obama if he would come to the political center a little more. And America doesn't need to have another extreme Conservative President that got us into this mess to begin with. There's no denying that the Governance of Mr. Bush fell a part the last year of his Presidency. I like Governor Mitt Romney for President because he has a centrist look on politics. Not too extreme in either direction of the political isles.
Why do people use these forums to start such silly threads?
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If Jesus DOES come back... do you think the Jews will think twice about killing him again?
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Um,what would the Mayan Calendar have to do with the Second Coming ?
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So I overheard an interesting conversation the other day. A gal asked, what if Obama is the second coming. Now again overhearing, here is what I gathered: the time coincides perfectly w/the end of the world in 2012 and his push to get health care coverage for everyone and wanting to give people a little more equality could be the Saviors way of showing us how selfish we are if we don't help the needy.
I would have chipped in and said "What if Obama is actually Xenu in disguise? I mean considering he said he'd be returning to earth soon, maybe he had already landed and shapeshifted into Obama and is trying to slowly show he's Xenu! Soon the US will be part of the galactic confederacy if this healthcare bill goes into effect!"
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So I overheard an interesting conversation the other day. A gal asked, what if Obama is the second coming. Now again overhearing, here is what I gathered: the time coincides perfectly w/the end of the world in 2012 and his push to get health care coverage for everyone and wanting to give people a little more equality could be the Saviors way of showing us how selfish we are if we don't help the needy.
You'd have more reliable information about the second coming if you took the time to read the Bible instead of eavesdropping on fools.
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So I overheard an interesting conversation the other day. A gal asked, what if Obama is the second coming. Now again overhearing, here is what I gathered: the time coincides perfectly w/the end of the world in 2012 and his push to get health care coverage for everyone and wanting to give people a little more equality could be the Saviors way of showing us how selfish we are if we don't help the needy.
You'd have more reliable information about the second coming if you took the time to read the Bible instead of eavesdropping on fools.
Not if either are both essentially the same thing.
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@falcon9,
Both aren't essentially the same thing. The second coming is a Bible-based event, if someone wants the facts about it...it's in the Bible. Eavesdropping on a "band of fools" that clearly don't know what the second coming even is ISN'T a reliable source of information. Believing something just because someone else said so, without doing any research is foolish...no matter what the topic.
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@falcon9,
Both aren't essentially the same thing. The second coming is a Bible-based event, if someone wants the facts about it...it's in the Bible. Eavesdropping on a "band of fools" that clearly don't know what the second coming even is ISN'T a reliable source of information. Believing something just because someone else said so, without doing any research is foolish...no matter what the topic.
I disagree. Both are unreliable sources. Both count on gullibility to believe some which has no basis in evidence, (one is 'textual gossip', one is spoken gossip). Hence, they are essentially the same thing.
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I like Governor Mitt Romney for President because he has a centrist look on politics. Not too extreme in either direction of the political isles.
Why do people use these forums to start such silly threads?
Romney is far from moderate and I know a ton of people (Republican) that are totally against the fact that he is a Mormon and will now vote for Obama, at least when Santorum was running the Republican party had a real shot.
Secondly not silly, debate and discuss sweetheart :wave:
Um,what would the Mayan Calendar have to do with the Second Coming ?
Pretty sure that is what the person was getting at, how maybe the mayan calendar and the world ending will be the exact time we have the second coming. Not entirely sure how Obama being the second coming got thrown in there but it was interesting to hear bits and pieces. :wave:
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I believe NOT!! He might be the beginning of the 2nd coming of Christ. God is the only one who knows!!
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I disagree. Both are unreliable sources. Both count on gullibility to believe some which has no basis in evidence, (one is 'textual gossip', one is spoken gossip). Hence, they are essentially the same thing.
"The Second Coming" is not 'textual gossip', it's a "prophecy". It would be kind of hard to have "evidence" of any such event before it happens, however one can study the past prophecy's in the Bible and see how they have been fulfilled (with the exception of just a few which are yet to happen). Since it's a "Biblical prophecy", the Bible would be the BEST source of facts about the Second Coming.
People that know me know that one of my biggest "peeves" are people that are "gullible" enough to get their "Bible knowledge" entirely from what other people say and totally believe them, without ever opening a Bible to do any studying of their own. It doesn't matter if we are talking "Bible study" here or "college"...one HAS to do some studying on their own if one ever hopes to know anything.
You can think of Believers as being "gullible", it's everyone's "option" (and thanks to "The Simpson's Ned Flanders") alot of people do. I will admit to knowing several "Ned's" myself. One doesn't HAVE to be a Believer to be gullible though..."there's a 'sucker' born every minute". Those that have read the Book, knows how it ends and so they know not to be believing/repeating such nonsense as "is Obama the Second Coming"?
On that note, for those STILL too lazy to 'crack open the Book' and 'do their homework', then I have a "newflash" for ya... Obama is NOT the "Second Coming". The bible says "the King is coming" and so the Second coming would have been...Elvis. That's RIGHT!! (That's also why he used the "Theme From 2001: A Space Odyssey" as his opening theme song.) ;)
(Apologies to the Believer's that found that "blasphemous/disrespectful" in advance...sometimes I just can't help myself.)
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I disagree. Both are unreliable sources. Both count on gullibility to believe something which has no basis in evidence, (one is 'textual gossip', one is spoken gossip). Hence, they are essentially the same thing.
"The Second Coming" is not 'textual gossip', it's a "prophecy".
It is claimed to be "prophesy" however, the claim is empty since it relies upon 'faith' alone. Characterizing an empty claim as gossip, (whether written or, spoken), falls under "idle talk or, rumor" and that fits.
It would be kind of hard to have "evidence" of any such event before it happens, however one can study the past prophecy's in the Bible and see how they have been fulfilled (with the exception of just a few which are yet to happen).
No past "biblical prophesies" which were not 'predicted' after the events, have been fulfilled. I challenge you to name any to support your assertion.
Since it's a "Biblical prophecy", the Bible would be the BEST source of facts about the Second Coming.
False reference; using the reference source to verify/substantiate that same reference source is circular and irrational.
People that know me know that one of my biggest "peeves" are people that are "gullible" enough to get their "Bible knowledge" entirely from what other people say and totally believe them, without ever opening a Bible to do any studying of their own. It doesn't matter if we are talking "Bible study" here or "college"...one HAS to do some studying on their own if one ever hopes to know anything.
If you are tacitly implying that I'm unaware of the contents of at least six different versions of 'the' "bible", you would be mistaken. Conversely, I've run across 'believers' in a 'inerrant bible' who aren't aware of variations. Nevertheless, I'm not here to argue various 'bible' contents, nor how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. These are irrelevancies for the stated reasons, (unreliable source).
You can think of Believers as being "gullible", it's everyone's "option" (and thanks to "The Simpson's Ned Flanders") alot of people do. I will admit to knowing several "Ned's" myself. One doesn't HAVE to be a Believer to be gullible though..."there's a 'sucker' born every minute". Those that have read the Book, knows how it ends and so they know not to be believing/repeating such nonsense as "is Obama the Second Coming"?
The gullibility aspect mentioned was directly related to having "faith", (in the face of zero substantive evidence).
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No past "biblical prophesies" which were not 'predicted' after the events, have been fulfilled. I challenge you to name any to support your assertion.
That would be a topic for a different thread. There are many websites that deal with the topic of bible prophecy.
False reference; using the reference source to verify/substantiate that same reference source is circular and irrational.
Well, I suppose one could find information about the Second Coming on the internet, and perhaps in books because everyone has an opinion. I would still think the most reliable source to find out about the Second Coming of Christ would be to check out the Bible and see what Christ Himself actually had to say about it.
If you are tacitly implying that I'm unaware of the contents of at least six different versions of 'the' "bible", you would be mistaken....
Sorry, my bad. I didn't mean "you", I was referring to the OP.
The gullibility aspect mentioned was directly related to having "faith", (in the face of zero substantive evidence).
There are MANY gullible people of all types. Just because someone has "faith" doesn't make them a gullible person. I have found the opposite to be true. There are many believers that know WHO they believe in, they know WHAT they believe, they know WHY they believe and therefore they aren't gullible enough to just fall for anything that comes along (or everything that someone says).
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Well, I suppose one could find information about the Second Coming on the internet, and perhaps in books because everyone has an opinion. I would still think the most reliable source to find out about the Second Coming of Christ would be to check out the Bible and see what Christ Himself actually had to say about it.
There isn't any reliable way to verify that "christ himself" said any of what slef-serving hearsay stories report. The source is therefore unreliable and cannot be used to verify itself, (in a 'it says right here that what's written right here is true' manner).
There are MANY gullible people of all types. Just because someone has "faith" doesn't make them a gullible person.
Since "faith" is believing something, sans any evidence, that constitutes gullibility. If someone were to assure you that "Falconer02" does indeed have an invisible pink unicorn in his garage, would you take that on 'faith' alone or, want some evidence? (not consisting of invisible pink unicorn road apples)
I have found the opposite to be true. There are many believers that know WHO they believe in ...
No, they _believe_ they know, (that isn't knowing, that's having 'faith' - which means sans evidence).
... they know WHAT they believe, they know WHY they believe ...
I disagree. These 'believers' apparently aren't examining "what" they believe very closely, (otherwise they'd openly acknowledge that "what they believe" has no evidentiary basis and they are simply taking it as a matter a 'faith', again sans evidence). As to "why" they believe such superstitions, no doubt the non-reasons for it vary somewhat. Were I to speculate, it could be extrapolated that many of those non-reasons are related to fears.
... and therefore they aren't gullible enough to just fall for anything that comes along (or everything that someone says).
That conclusion does not logically follow from the premise; believing one credulous concept without evidence does not lead to the conclusion that another credeulous concept will be subject to skepticism, (it does however, tend toward an opposite extrapolation). Be that as it may, there is no reason to infer that a gullible person is either selective or, nonselective about their gullibility.
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So sad!! SMH @ some of you people!! I guess you guys want George Bush back huh?? ;D
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There isn't any reliable way to verify that "christ himself" said any of what slef-serving hearsay stories report. The source is therefore unreliable and cannot be used to verify itself, (in a 'it says right here that what's written right here is true' manner).
After you've been dead for some two thousand years, do you think anyone is going to be able to prove by any reliable means that "falcon2" himself said any of the things others said he said in the FC forums?
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After you've been dead for some two thousand years, do you think anyone is going to be able to prove by any reliable means that "falcon2" himself said any of the things others said he said in the FC forums?
If our technological infrastructure holds for that long (which it might- not sure is FC backs up it's forums tho) and people don't assemble to purposely mistranslate what he said and build him up to be a heroic archaetype, it would be extremely easy to prove what he said. But if he were saying these things now to superstitious people lacking any understanding of the actual world, no technology, 75%+ were illiterate, etc. I would highly doubt it would be accurate and you would too. You'll notice a trend that when time goes on and education is a primary focus-point in a culture, the historical records are usually* more preserved and accurate.
Applying this, I am always frustrated not knowing the precise methods of how the pyramids were actually built. >:(
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After you've been dead for some two thousand years, do you think anyone is going to be able to prove by any reliable means that "falcon2" himself said any of the things others said he said in the FC forums?
While "Falconer02" had a very good reply to this, I just wanted to add a point.
Presumably, you're referring obliquely to an extended version of the "telephone game"; specifically, that hearsay testimony is unreliable?
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Applying this, I am always frustrated not knowing the precise methods of how the pyramids were actually built. >:(
I consider myself moderately intelligent however, I am sad to admit I REALLY think Aliens built the Pyramids.
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Applying this, I am always frustrated not knowing the precise methods of how the pyramids were actually built. >:(
I consider myself moderately intelligent however, I am sad to admit I REALLY think Aliens built the Pyramids.
LOL thanks for admitting it. Inside all of us there is one lingering thought or another! :wave:
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consider myself moderately intelligent however, I am sad to admit I REALLY think Aliens built the Pyramids.
This belief is actually more common than you think, so in no way do I think you're nuts for believing it considering some of the evidences I've seen presented in the past (for instance the precision that the blocks are carved and laid-- not to mention the weight). What really killed the aliens concept for me was scientists were studying the pyramid from the inside and found areas that were built extremely poorly and the main architects of the time must have known this as the weak areas were jury-rigged. Those repairs remain there till this day. If it were ET's, they must have done a pretty shabby job building it if there were internal errors. I'd expect more from a species who can travel the stars!
My friend and I are always arguing over this though. I'm one to believe it was built internally and the current evidences show that this is the most plausible method. That and it seems the healthiest method as it kept the workers away from the sun and thus cooled them. However my friend keeps attempting to refute the claims saying 20-30 years ago, the best archaelogists and architects believed it was built with that 1-way-sloped road design (push stones up half a mile) and only now is it different. Ehh...I could be wrong, but I guess I just like to go with the most rational answer with the fewest holes in it. Either way (aliens or internal construction), it's fascinating to think about.
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Oh, lets hope not or we are all doomed. :sad1:
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falconer02...? falcon9...? anyone else...?
I'm just curious... what 'reliable means/substantial evidence' is there that extra-terrestials exist? I've heard somewhere before that if you believe in something 'sans any evidence, that constitutes gullibility' so I hope you have some real credible evidence and not just "faith".
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I'm just curious... what 'reliable means/substantial evidence' is there that extra-terrestials exist? I've heard somewhere before that if you believe in something 'sans any evidence, that constitutes gullibility' so I hope you have some real credible evidence and not just "faith".
Considering we've discovered goldilocks planets, recognized the vast size of our universe, created the Drake equation, etc. it's highly likely that there is other life out there. I just can't say who/what/where they are if they do exist. It's a big "I don't know" due to the lack of evidence, but it's very fun to speculate.
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I'm just curious... what 'reliable means/substantial evidence' is there that extra-terrestials exist? I've heard somewhere before that if you believe in something 'sans any evidence, that constitutes gullibility' so I hope you have some real credible evidence and not just "faith".
Considering we've discovered goldilocks planets, recognized the vast size of our universe, created the Drake equation, etc. it's highly likely that there is other life out there. I just can't say who/what/where they are if they do exist. It's a big "I don't know" due to the lack of evidence, but it's very fun to speculate.
Exactly. There's a difference between theoretical speculations, (based upon extrapolating from at least some evidence), and having "faith" based upon no evidence. Such "goldilocks" planets may theoretically support life however, no one has yet presented evidence that they do. The Drake equation provides for possibility and even probability but, an equation is not direct evidence. I therefore agree with you and disregard the attempt to equate 'awaiting evidence' with 'religious faith'.
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I'm just curious... what 'reliable means/substantial evidence' is there that extra-terrestials exist? I've heard somewhere before that if you believe in something 'sans any evidence, that constitutes gullibility' so I hope you have some real credible evidence and not just "faith".
Considering we've discovered goldilocks planets, recognized the vast size of our universe, created the Drake equation, etc. it's highly likely that there is other life out there. I just can't say who/what/where they are if they do exist. It's a big "I don't know" due to the lack of evidence, but it's very fun to speculate.
I think it's fun to speculate about it too, and see how even "extra terrestials" are in the Bible. This site doesn't have the best information that I've seen but it does give alot of verse references if one wants to check it out and see how according to the Bible, "aliens" have been around since Bible days. http://proofofgodsexistence.com/documents/10.Aliens.or.Nephilim.pdf
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I therefore agree with you and disregard the attempt to equate 'awaiting evidence' with 'religious faith'.
Of course you do.
May I remind you that the 'Christian faith' is also still 'awaiting evidence' ...as the 'last card has not been dealt yet'.
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May I remind you that the 'Christian faith' is also still 'awaiting evidence' ...as the 'last card has not been dealt yet'.
Ya'll have had over 2,000 years to cough up some evidence, any evidence. How long do you need? Forever? The best that's been presented so far is Thomas Aquinas' sophist arguments and the shroud of Turin; the former having been soundly refuted and the latter being an inconclusive potential hoax.
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/scams/shroud_of_turin/index.html
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May I remind you that the 'Christian faith' is also still 'awaiting evidence' ...as the 'last card has not been dealt yet'.
Ya'll have had over 2,000 years to cough up some evidence, any evidence. How long do you need? Forever? The best that's been presented so far is Thomas Aquinas' sophist arguments and the shroud of Turin; the former having been soundly refuted and the latter being an inconclusive potential hoax.
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/scams/shroud_of_turin/index.html
The Bible says not even the angels know the time or the hour, so why would you be asking me how "long do I need"? Personally, I don't need any more time...I'm ready to go right now.
I think the question should be, how long do you need (and realize that the Lord doesn't "set His watch" by your timetable).
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May I remind you that the 'Christian faith' is also still 'awaiting evidence' ...as the 'last card has not been dealt yet'.
Ya'll have had over 2,000 years to cough up some evidence, any evidence. How long do you need? Forever?
The Bible says ...
Invalid source.
I think the question should be, how long do you need (and realize that the Lord doesn't "set His watch" by your timetable).
No, the question remains; if there is no timetable to produce evidence then over 2,000 is considered to be sufficient time to have done so. It is unreasonable to expect to wait forever, (or indeterminately), just to dodge the requirement of producing evidence to support religious claims.
Further, I didn't call on some hypothetical "lord" as a witness, I asked if you could provide evidence to support your claims. If you can, I asked that you produce it. If you cannot, a simple 'no' would have sufficed, (rather than shifting the burden of proof onto a hypothetical 'deity'). So, that question remains unanswered; if you have evidence to support the claims you're making now, can you produce it?
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Would someone just ask a magic 8-ball already? I inquiring minds want to know the answer.
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Would someone just ask a magic 8-ball already? I inquiring minds want to know the answer.
I gave that a whirl using a friend's 8-ball. The answer was, "ask again later." The question was asked again after an interval of 'later' and that answer was, "Cannot predict now."
Here's an oline version though:
http://www.indra.com/8ball/front.html
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So, that question remains unanswered; if you have evidence to support the claims you're making now, can you produce it?
First of all, no one has to wait over 2000 years to have their "proof of God". They don't have to even wait 1,000 years. One will have all the proof they wanted when they take their last breath.
If one still needs more "evidence" to prove that theory, then they could always die. They could just go ahead ahead and die without Christ. I won't be losing any sleep over it.
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im not sure how to answer tat but to me ill say this Obama has done the best they allow him to do.
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First of all, no one has to wait over 2000 years to have their "proof of God". They don't have to even wait 1,000 years. One will have all the proof they wanted when they take their last breath.
Such "proof" is unavailable to the living, which means it's the same as not providing any "proof" to the living, (one way or the other).
If one still needs more "evidence" to prove that theory, then they could always die. They could just go ahead ahead and die without Christ. I won't be losing any sleep over it.
This is merely repeating the same failure to provide evidence/"proof" to the living since no human has returned from death with such evidence/"proof". One could just as easily posit that "proof" of religious contentions being completely wrong will become available after one is dead.
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I firmly believe in all my heart and soul that Obama is indeed the second coming.... Of Satan.
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I firmly believe in all my heart and soul that Obama is indeed the second coming.... Of Satan.
Hey slow down. The bible don't say nothing about no second coming of satan.
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Hey slow down. The bible don't say nothing about no second coming of satan.
I dunno, dude! He looks pretty deranged and menacing sometimes!
(http://i.somethingawful.com/u/garbageday/2012/phriday/obamas/obamaoriginal.jpg)
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Hey slow down. The bible don't say nothing about no second coming of satan.
I dunno, dude! He looks pretty deranged and menacing sometimes!
(http://i.somethingawful.com/u/garbageday/2012/phriday/obamas/obamaoriginal.jpg)
Holy crap, you're right, (and he appears to be reading from a 'children's book of evil', or a bible too).
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Obama, nor any human being in my oppinion should be considered as the 2nd coming of Christ. As for the other stuff in this, if you know what "Liberal" means then you know that helping those less fortunate is something Liberals do. I am not a big fan in no way of the welfare program. But, it does help people that need it. It needs to be overhauled. But it is in my oppinion that if a person works and pays taxs then if a time comes that they need help from the government then it should be there to help. Anouther thought on this with the welfare, if those that are GOP minded individuals that are drawing from these progams would stop doing so because it's not a Conservative program supported by Conservatives, then maybe so much money wouldn't be spent on it.
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If Obama represents anything at all, it would be the antichrist. Abortion, homosexual marriage and gay rights are all against the word of God (antichrist)
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If Obama represents anything at all, it would be the antichrist. Abortion, homosexual marriage and gay rights are all against the word of God (antichrist)
Didn't your fellow fundies claim Charles Manson was the latest "anti-xrist"? Having trouble picking a religious delusion?
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If Obama represents anything at all, it would be the antichrist. Abortion, homosexual marriage and gay rights are all against the word of God (antichrist)
Didn't your fellow fundies claim Charles Manson was the latest "anti-xrist"? Having trouble picking a religious delusion?
You gotta remember that sometimes you're arguing with people who have had a lifetime of this nonsensical brainwashing. It's best to instill knowledge and rational skepticism into younger minds. Don't waste it on minds that are not willing to even listen to the many holes in their beliefs. :(
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If Obama represents anything at all, it would be the antichrist. Abortion, homosexual marriage and gay rights are all against the word of God (antichrist)
Didn't your fellow fundies claim Charles Manson was the latest "anti-xrist"? Having trouble picking a religious delusion?
You gotta remember that sometimes you're arguing with people who have had a lifetime of this nonsensical brainwashing. It's best to instill knowledge and rational skepticism into younger minds. Don't waste it on minds that are not willing to even listen to the many holes in their beliefs. :(
While there is little to no expectation of piercing a nearly-impenetrable wall of unreasoning blind-faith, there is some chance that others who've not been rendered sightless in that manner will see what pragmatic skepticism looks like before getting mind-washed by religious proselytizations.
“Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.”
-– Ambrose Bierce
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I guess now I know where all the tinfoil went to.
I don't understand the hate for Obama. Do people really think that someone like Romney, or God forbid, Palin would be better? Is Obama hate due to racism, conscious or unconscious? Would Hillary Clinton have faced the same questions had she won the Democratic primary and won the election? Would McCain? Kudos to the TC asking if we thought Obama was the Second Coming (which is refreshing after all of the "Obama is the Antichrist" allegations).
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The answer is no....
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Throughout history I-don't-know-how-many have been proclaimed as the Anti-Christ. Even Ronald Reagan was believed to have been the Anti-Christ by some because the Anti-Christ is supposed to miraculously recover from a head wound (according to those who keep up with this sort of thing.) So--no I don't see Obama as the Anti-Christ. I do think that he represents change--and that's is apparently scaring a whole lotta people.
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Let's see......I support "Abortion, homosexual marriage and gay rights" and recently, while lying under my vehicle changing the transmission, had it suddenly fall on my face......AND RECOVERED!!!!.....ohhhh mee gawd.
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As far as Obama being the second coming....PA.LEASE.......All i can say is God help our country if he doesn't get reelected.
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I say GOD help our country if he does get relected. See we can all say what we believe. Thanks to our soilders fighting for our freedom. Which is what we may end up loseing if obama gets back in office.
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I say GOD help our country if he does get relected. See we can all say what we believe. Thanks to our soilders fighting for our freedom. Which is what we may end up loseing if obama gets back in office.
HOW will we lose our freedom if Obama beats Romney?
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Is Obama the second coming of what?Jimmy Carter?
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Is Obama the second coming of what?Jimmy Carter?
Not Jimmy Carter. Not one shot was fired during his entire Presidency.
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"What is "No" Alex." That is the correct answer to the original question in this post.
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I don't believe in any of this!
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I don't believe in any of this!
And yet, you'd just posted:
"I know these are the last days ..."
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Second coming of what?
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Second coming of what?
Apparently, the reference is to a used-superstition salesman. According to that religious superstition, it would technically be a 'third coming', (having supposedly arrived, died and allegedly zombied back once already). Still, it's not likely that Obama is the third coming, (or fourth, or how ever many they imagine).
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Bahahahaha! Obama's nobody. He's merely a marionette whose strings are being played by Valerie Jarrett.
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Hey slow down. The bible don't say nothing about no second coming of satan.
I dunno, dude! He looks pretty deranged and menacing sometimes!
(http://i.somethingawful.com/u/garbageday/2012/phriday/obamas/obamaoriginal.jpg)
wow really you came up with pic of him reading a book to children and acting out the story. thats pretty low dude. hmmmf some people need to come out of they basement sometimes and join the real world.
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I know that Obama is not the second coming. He thinks he is but he only destroys lives and does nothing to help them. ALL his misleading talk about how everything he does is helping the country with unemployment and improving healthcare is a bunch of BULL.
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wow really you came up with pic of him reading a book to children and acting out the story. thats pretty low dude. hmmmf some people need to come out of they basement sometimes and join the real world.
It was a joke and obvious sarcasm. Proof? Look at the source of where the picture came from.
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Well, no, of course he's not, and this topic is sort of dumb, but gives me a good chance to say: check out “2016,” based on Dinesh D’Souza’s best-selling book, “The Roots of Obama’s Rage"....
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were all doomed. If muslims hate Christ and Love Mohammed that makes them a Anti-Christ = AntiChristian
Obama is muslim and is taking away all Christian events and activities.
Day of Prayer. No Obama
Ramadan Speech from Obama
Announcement that USA is no longer a Christian nation
Our president is antiChristian
Makes him a AntiChrist
:BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead:
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If stupid were bricks, the holder of the totally false religious opinion below would be their own projects.
were all doomed. If muslims hate Christ and Love Mohammed that makes them a Anti-Christ = AntiChristian
Obama is muslim and is taking away all Christian events and activities.
Day of Prayer. No Obama
Ramadan Speech from Obama
Announcement that USA is no longer a Christian nation
Our president is antiChristian
Makes him a AntiChrist
:BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead:
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Our president is antiChristian. Makes him a AntiChrist
You do know he belonged to a church that was almost as crazy as Sarah Palins, right? He's also made some interesting speeches in christian churches too.
Announcement that USA is no longer a Christian nation
Be careful of what Fox News tells you through sound bites. Here's the entire message he was trying to convey-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmC3IevZiik
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I can see your theory on things in their present state and i happen to agree with some actually facts that Obama is trying to help the Country in varies of sorts mainly most have shown success. Anyone can believe what they want but we where at a downfall. And people do need to open their eyes a little bit and see things differently. Maybe he is or maybe he isnt but we do need to come together as one!
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We will know when Jesus comes back and it is NOT obama
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For those who are religious--- read Daniel.
For those who are realists-- read his own words, is executive orders, his speeches and his voting record.
For those who actually want to still live in "America"-- as founded by the revolution-- Don't vote for him, then he'll be the first going.
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I am going to vote for Mitt Romney. We do not need 4 more years of adding trillions more to the debt. Maybe Bush wasn't always the best Prez. But he still was better then Obama. If Obama could not do what he promised in his first 4 years what makes you think he will in the next 4 years. America will not be the America we knew. It scares the heck out of me just thinking he might get back in.
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Don't worry about the debt, borrow as much as you can and enjoy it for as long as you can. The Chinese and Arabs own more and more of this country every year anyway, so just hope the Chinese keep sending those freighters full of plastic goods and clothes and that the Arabs keep sending oil, and don't forget to visit your local WalMart at least 3 times a week and to buy a new SUV with the largest engine available for that model.
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I am going to vote for Mitt Romney. We do not need 4 more years of adding trillions more to the debt. Maybe Bush wasn't always the best Prez. But he still was better then Obama. If Obama could not do what he promised in his first 4 years what makes you think he will in the next 4 years. America will not be the America we knew. It scares the heck out of me just thinking he might get back in.
I do not like Bush but he was a saint compared to Obama. I can't wait to read the history books I wonder how america will view Obama in the future Hero or villain. VOTE FOR ROMNEY!!!!