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http://www.nativenewsnetwork.com/41-american-indian-tribes-settle-for-1-billion-with-obama-administration.html
WASHINGTON – In an historic gesture, the Obama administration announced today the settlement of tribal trust claims with 41 American Indian tribes that total just over $1 billion. The announcement was carried live from the White House on the Native News Network.
Hall of Tribal Nations – Interior Department, Washington DC
These settlements resolve claims dating back more than 100 years and will bring to an end protracted litigation that has burdened both the plaintiffs and the United States. Ending these long-running disputes about the United States' management of trust funds and non-monetary trust resources will allow the United States and the tribes to move beyond the distrust exacerbated by years of litigation. These settlement agreements represent a significant milestone in the improvement of the United States' relationship with Indian tribes.
Prior to becoming president, Candidate Barack Obama promised to settle the vast number of tribal trust cases pending against the United States by American Indian tribes and, in some cases, individuals. As president, he has worked diligently to resolve many of the tribal disputes.
“President Obama has done more for us than the last five presidents put together have done,”
Stated Chief James Allan, Coeur d'Alene at the White House settlement event today.
“President Obama has not made treaties, but gets things done. His word has been golden.”
Two Cabinet members were part of the White House event:
US Attorney General Eric Holder and
US Secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar.
"These settlements fairly and honorably resolve historical grievances over the accounting and management of tribal trust funds, trust lands, and other non-monetary trust resources that, for far too long, have been a source of conflict between Indian tribes and the United States,"
said Attorney General Holder.
"Our commitment to tribes is the cornerstone of the Department of Justice's policies and initiatives in Indian Country, and these settlements will enable the tribal community to pursue the goals and objectives they deem to be appropriate while marking another step in our shared future built upon mutual respect and strong bonds of trust between tribal governments and the United States."
“These important settlements reflect President Obama's continuing commitment to ensuring empowerment and reconciliation for American Indians,”
said Secretary Salazar.
"It strengthens the government to government relationship with Tribal nations, helps restore a positive working relationship with Indian Country leaders and empowers American Indian communities. I want to commend Attorney General Holder, our Interior Solicitor Hilary Tompkins and other key officials who were involved in the long negotiations leading to these historic agreements. I look forward to working with Tribal leaders to further strengthen our government to government relationship based on mutual respect and a shared concern for the proper management of tribal trust assets and funds."
The Department of the Interior manages almost 56 million acres of trust lands for federally-recognized tribes and more than 100,000 leases on those lands for various uses, including housing, timber harvesting, farming, grazing, oil and gas extraction, business leasing, rights-of-way and easements. Interior also manages about 2,500 tribal trust accounts for more than 250 tribes.
Starting in the fall of 2009, lawyers for many of the tribes with litigation pending against the United States wrote to the president and asked the administration to engage in expedited settlement discussions with their clients.
In April 2010, Associate Attorney General Tom Perrelli, Assistant Attorney General of the Environment and Natural Resources Division Ignacia Moreno, Interior Department Solicitor Hilary Tompkins and Treasury Department General Counsel George Madison met with attorneys for the tribes, and the parties embarked on a settlement process that the tribes termed the "Settlement Proposal to Obama Administration," or "SPOA," which led in part to today's announcement.
“We recognize the efforts of – and very much appreciate – this administration,”
Gary Hayes, tribal chairman of the Ute Mountain Tribe.
“Today's settlements allow the United States to recognize its trust responsibility to tribes. We still have a lot of work ahead of us.”
The sum total of the settlements with the 41 tribes is approximately $1.023 billion.
The 41 Tribes
Below is the list of the American Indian tribes that are part of the Settlement Proposal to Obama Administration:
Assiniboine and Sioux Tribes of the Fort Peck Reservation
Bad River Band of Lake Superior Chippewa Indians
Blackfeet Tribe
Bois Forte Band of Chippewa Indians
Cachil Dehe Band of Wintun Indians of Colusa Rancheria
Coeur d'Alene Tribe
Chippewa Cree Tribe of the Rocky Boy's Reservation
Confederated Tribes of the Colville Reservation
Confederated Salish and Kootenai Tribes
Confederated Tribes of the Siletz Reservation
Hualapai Tribe
Kaibab Band of Paiute Indians of Arizona
Kickapoo Tribe of Kansas
Lac du Flambeau Band of Lake Superior Chippewa Indians
Leech Lake Band of Ojibwe Indians
Makah Tribe of the Makah Reservation
Mescalero Apache Nation
Minnesota Chippewa Tribe
Nez Perce Tribe
Nooksack Tribe
Northern Cheyenne Tribe
Passamaquoddy Tribe of Maine
Pawnee Nation
Pueblo of Zia
Quechan Indian Tribe of the Fort Yuma Reservation
Rincon Luiseño Band of Indians
Round Valley Tribes
Salt River Pima-Maricopa Indian Community
Santee Sioux Tribe
Shoshone-Bannock Tribes of the Fort Hall Reservation
Soboba Band of Luiseño Indians
Spirit Lake Dakotah Nation
Spokane Tribe
Standing Rock Sioux Tribe of the Fort Yates Reservation
Swinomish Tribal Indian Community
Te-Moak Tribe of Western Shoshone Indians
Tohono O'odham Nation
Tulalip Tribe
Tule River Tribe
Ute Mountain Ute Tribe
Ute Tribe of the Uintah and Ouray Reservation
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well...it's a very small step in the right direction...
what's in it for obama? :binkybaby:
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well...it's a very small step in the right direction...
what's in it for obama? :binkybaby:
Possibly some electoral votes?
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I tend to agree with both of you...... unfortunately. Gestures such as these could really go a long way if they were only sincere.
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well...it's a very small step in the right direction...
what's in it for obama? :binkybaby:
Possibly some electoral votes?
omg, that's the same thing I was thinking!! :thumbsup: (p.s.: Why don't you have an "avatar"? :dontknow:)
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I tend to agree with both of you...... unfortunately. Gestures such as these could really go a long way if they were only sincere.
Trying to find a President with sincerity...
...that would require something like a 'miracle'. :(
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omg, that's the same thing I was thinking!! :thumbsup: (p.s.: Why don't you have an "avatar"? :dontknow:)
I'd considered whether one was necessary or not and a few avatars were briefly reconsidered.
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I tend to agree with both of you...... unfortunately. Gestures such as these could really go a long way if they were only sincere.
Whatever happened with the Cobell settlement of class action litigation?
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I tend to agree with both of you...... unfortunately. Gestures such as these could really go a long way if they were only sincere.
Trying to find a President with sincerity...
...that would require something like a 'miracle'. :(
Yeah I know what you mean. But ya know?.....we'll take what we can get at this point. This frees up a whole lot of resources, in funds, man power etc, that had been tied up into litigating these claims. Some of them going on for many years.
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I tend to agree with both of you...... unfortunately. Gestures such as these could really go a long way if they were only sincere.
Whatever happened with the Cobell settlement of class action litigation?
Here's a pretty informative site addressing that, but I suspect some of the information will be edited soon to reflect the results of Obamas deal.
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whether sincere or not, it is about time someone took care of it. No President is going to be passionate about 100 % of their constituents needs, but they still should get the job done. I am not a big fan of Obama- but he gets a thumbs up for this one. btw, one thing I don't get, how do you include in your answer the passage that you are referring to?
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btw, one thing I don't get, how do you include in your answer the passage that you are referring to?
There's a "quote" button to the right of "reply" which can be used. Alternatively, one could employ begin-quote and end-quotemarks.
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whether sincere or not, it is about time someone took care of it. No President is going to be passionate about 100 % of their constituents needs, but they still should get the job done. I am not a big fan of Obama- but he gets a thumbs up for this one. btw, one thing I don't get, how do you include in your answer the passage that you are referring to?
start off by clicking the "quote" button in the upper right corner of the post you wish to reply to.
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Here's a pretty informative site addressing that, but I suspect some of the information will be edited soon to reflect the results of Obamas deal.
It isn't a done deal until the money is paid out. Where exactly are such funds to come from?
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Here's a pretty informative site addressing that, but I suspect some of the information will be edited soon to reflect the results of Obamas deal.
It isn't a done deal until the money is paid out. Where exactly are such funds to come from?
I'm not really a scholar on the details of Cobell as I was always more of an "in the trenches" kind of guy, not much on spending mind numbing hours studying legal language etc.
In most cases I guess it's always been pretty much a case of rob peter to pay paul as I suspect this would turn out being. Besides.....you know the gov. just prints all the money it wants to. Damn the economy.
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also I am not a member of the class action, but if I were, and won.....I wouldn't care where the money came from.
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also I am not a member of the class action, but if I were, and won.....I wouldn't care where the money came from.
Of course not however, some might care if it came from more deficit spending, (or out of other programs which they do benefit from).
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also I am not a member of the class action, but if I were, and won.....I wouldn't care where the money came from.
Of course not however, some might care if it came from more deficit spending, (or out of other programs which they do benefit from).
Yeah, I guess it would suck if that money came but as a result IHS or those cool commod programs were given a final lethal blow. These types of programs have always taken among the first hits when budget cuts were/are mandated.
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I'm not really a scholar on the details of Cobell as I was always more of an "in the trenches" kind of guy, not much on spending mind numbing hours studying legal language etc.
In most cases I guess it's always been pretty much a case of rob peter to pay paul as I suspect this would turn out being. Besides.....you know the gov. just prints all the money it wants to. Damn the economy.
I'm pretty much against anything that adds to deficit spending on general principles. Although I'm aware that there are many programs for which funding is needed, just because something is needed doesn't mean that there are funds available to pay for it.
Printing more money would increase inflation, with all the attendant economic problems that would inflict on an already weakened economy.
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Here's a pretty informative site addressing that, but I suspect some of the information will be edited soon to reflect the results of Obamas deal.
It isn't a done deal until the money is paid out. Where exactly are such funds to come from?
Rumor has it obama is going to 'pass' on some of those vacations for the payout...NOT! ;D
[Statistics published by The Blaze note the Obama vacation to Hawaii last year cost approximately $4 million. Before the family trip to Hawaii, the Obama's had already spent $10 million dollars of taxpayer money traveling to Vail, Colo.; Martha's Vineyard, Mass.; and Spain. http://news.yahoo.com/president-obamas-lavish-vacations-under-scrutiny-again-153900010.html]
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How many of you have been around some of the resavations? I can tell you right now most of those that are shown on that list have gambling casinos and are drawing in a lot more money then we will ever see. even here in N.M. there are already 7-8 gambling casinos in this low income state. All it is for is votes. The govt. has provided them with a lot of money over the last 100 years. i applied for a dental assistant job on the res. at one time and made 99. on my test and they gave the job to an indian who could barely pass the test even with giving her 10 points for being a native american. Pluse being a navtive born New Mexican. What a joke.
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Rumor has it obama is going to 'pass' on some of those vacations for the payout...NOT! ;D
I'm pretty sure that not even the most lavish presidential vacation funds would cover the $1.1 billion settlement proposed.
[Statistics published by The Blaze note the Obama vacation to Hawaii last year cost approximately $4 million. Before the family trip to Hawaii, the Obama's had already spent $10 million dollars of taxpayer money traveling to Vail, Colo.; Martha's Vineyard, Mass.; and Spain. http://news.yahoo.com/president-obamas-lavish-vacations-under-scrutiny-again-153900010.html]
Yeah, no doubt he's not the first president to take expensive vacations, (you should see the records on the crap some first ladies have blown enormous sums on before too), and he's unlikely to be the last. I wonder if anyone has ever added up the cost of these presidential 'perks' in toto?
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How many of you have been around some of the resavations? I can tell you right now most of those that are shown on that list have gambling casinos and are drawing in a lot more money then we will ever see. even here in N.M. there are already 7-8 gambling casinos in this low income state. All it is for is votes. The govt. has provided them with a lot of money over the last 100 years. i applied for a dental assistant job on the res. at one time and made 99. on my test and they gave the job to an indian who could barely pass the test even with giving her 10 points for being a native american. Pluse being a navtive born New Mexican. What a joke.
I've been a visitor on several reservations and while not all of them have casinos or other obvious revenue streams, (you can't always 'see' the government subsidies), many of them do. Of the ones on the list of 'beneficiaries', no less than half, (20), are listed as operating casinos, (there could be more, I haven't checked every single listed tribe).
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Be nice to have some land given back to me, but with the assimilation process going the way it is. I'd probably lose all the land right back to the dominant society in some form or other. LOL
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Be nice to have some land given back to me, but with the assimilation process going the way it is. I'd probably lose all the land right back to the dominant society in some form or other. LOL
You'd not only have to already be on the tribal roles of one of the recognised tribes on the list of litigation claimants, you'd already would've had your hand out for more hand-outs. Are you getting the government cheese yet?
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Be nice to have some land given back to me, but with the assimilation process going the way it is. I'd probably lose all the land right back to the dominant society in some form or other. LOL
You'd not only have to already be on the tribal roles of one of the recognised tribes on the list of litigation claimants, you'd already would've had your hand out for more hand-outs. Are you getting the government cheese yet?
I used to get gov.t cheese, but even thats been taken away from me LOL ;D Kind of reminds me of that Clint Eastwood movie 'Pink Cadillac'. Clint's character states, "its a sad thing when a white man can't even stand up for himself in America", as he attempts to appease a bar room full of Nazis playing pool. LOl
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How many of you have been around some of the resavations? I can tell you right now most of those that are shown on that list have gambling casinos and are drawing in a lot more money then we will ever see. even here in N.M. there are already 7-8 gambling casinos in this low income state. All it is for is votes. The govt. has provided them with a lot of money over the last 100 years. i applied for a dental assistant job on the res. at one time and made 99. on my test and they gave the job to an indian who could barely pass the test even with giving her 10 points for being a native american. Pluse being a navtive born New Mexican. What a joke.
I also live in N.M. just outside of Taos. Yes I have spent a great deal of my life on the Rez. I know all about it. Do you have any idea of how big a percentage of the casino incomes go out to the state?
As for your gripe about not getting the job, to start with any federal recognized tribe, which would include all the Pueblos around here, are sovereign unto them selves. Which means, they are not a part of the U.S. let anlone the state. Being a life long resident of the state is nothing like being a resident of the Pueblo.
They gave her 10 points, eh? I'd have given her 100 so long as she qualified for the position.
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Be nice to have some land given back to me, but with the assimilation process going the way it is. I'd probably lose all the land right back to the dominant society in some form or other. LOL
Perhaps.
I have a friend from the Yankton Rez who was telling me recently that altho she has use of an allotment, which is rightfully due her, she will never have an inch of land in her name. Therefor, at the whim of powers that be, it could be snatched from her at any time. Believe me...it happens....alot.
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I have no problem with some sort or retribution given to the Indian tribes of our country. However, I thought that we already did this thru tax breaks. The Indians that are here now are not the ones that suffered many years ago so this settlement is bogus to me.
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I have no problem with some sort or retribution given to the Indian tribes of our country. However, I thought that we already did this thru tax breaks. The Indians that are here now are not the ones that suffered many years ago so this settlement is bogus to me.
Don't kid yourself into thinking that todays Indigenous, are not still suffering in many of the same ways they have for the past 520 years. Educate yourself. As stated in a previous post, any federally recognized tribal group, are sovereign, there for, although of this continent, they are not of your country. Yes, we have duel citizenship, but the vast majority of us, identify with our Nations, not yours. Please don't mistake me for any kind of patriotic American.
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Be nice to have some land given back to me, but with the assimilation process going the way it is. I'd probably lose all the land right back to the dominant society in some form or other. LOL
Perhaps.
I have a friend from the Yankton Rez who was telling me recently that altho she has use of an allotment, which is rightfully due her, she will never have an inch of land in her name. Therefor, at the whim of powers that be, it could be snatched from her at any time. Believe me...it happens....alot.
Agreed. Supposedly, I have land too. About anywhere from $.09 cents to $.20 cents and it fluctuates every time I receive a letter from the Dept. of the Interior. Basically, a few farmers are either leasing renting this land of mine of which I've been sharing with various cousins on my reservation in South Dakota. Will I ever get hundreds or thousands of dollars from the dominant society, I believe not! Theres too many people living on this continent for what little land I have to even make a bit of difference to me. Jokingly, I always say, "In about another 500 to 1000 years from now maybe I'll receive some monies?" Thats how the government works in this country, they control all the money and how its distributed out. And so far only the wealthy ruling tribal families get 1st shot at "HOW" all the land money given to them from past land thefts from the gov.t thats supposed to get split up to lesser tribal family members. Go figure!? LOL :bs: Too much red tape and paperwork to even get excited or hope about getting monies for tribal lands nowadays for some tribes. But it'd be a miracle if I ever got a check from the Dept. of Interior for $100.00
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I have no problem with some sort or retribution given to the Indian tribes of our country. However, I thought that we already did this thru tax breaks. The Indians that are here now are not the ones that suffered many years ago so this settlement is bogus to me.
This could be due to the fact that you ain't a native american tribal enrollee member of a federally recognized tribe in north america? But then ignorant european americans always have that gripe that they don't get money for free from the us. gov.t and no pun intended :thumbsup:
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I have no problem with some sort or retribution given to the Indian tribes of our country. However, I thought that we already did this thru tax breaks. The Indians that are here now are not the ones that suffered many years ago so this settlement is bogus to me.
This could be due to the fact that you ain't a native american tribal enrollee member of a federally recognized tribe in north america?
Are you? If so, which tribe?
But then ignorant european americans always have that gripe that they don't get money for free from the us. gov.t and no pun intended :thumbsup:
He didn't mention anything about getting "money for free from" the U.S. government like various tribes are subsidized. Also, you're assuming his ancestors came from Europe, (and that he's ignorant - of what?), when they could have come from anywhere. Just like yours could have wandered across a previous land-bridge from Siberia, the Korean peninsula, canoed over from Polynesia, or drifted north from south & central america, (which means that they weren't "native" to northern america either - so who's ignorant of past migrations again?).
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I have no problem with some sort or retribution given to the Indian tribes of our country. However, I thought that we already did this thru tax breaks. The Indians that are here now are not the ones that suffered many years ago so this settlement is bogus to me.
This could be due to the fact that you ain't a native american tribal enrollee member of a federally recognized tribe in north america?
Are you? If so, which tribe?
But then ignorant european americans always have that gripe that they don't get money for free from the us. gov.t and no pun intended :thumbsup:
He didn't mention anything about getting "money for free from" the U.S. government like various tribes are subsidized. Also, you're assuming his ancestors came from Europe, (and that he's ignorant - of what?), when they could have come from anywhere. Just like yours could have wandered across a previous land-bridge from Siberia, the Korean peninsula, canoed over from Polynesia, or drifted north from south & central america, (which means that they weren't "native" to northern america either - so who's ignorant of past migrations again?).
LOL
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I have no problem with some sort or retribution given to the Indian tribes of our country. However, I thought that we already did this thru tax breaks. The Indians that are here now are not the ones that suffered many years ago so this settlement is bogus to me.
This could be due to the fact that you ain't a native american tribal enrollee member of a federally recognized tribe in north america?
Are you? If so, which tribe?
But then ignorant european americans always have that gripe that they don't get money for free from the us. gov.t and no pun intended :thumbsup:
He didn't mention anything about getting "money for free from" the U.S. government like various tribes are subsidized. Also, you're assuming his ancestors came from Europe, (and that he's ignorant - of what?), when they could have come from anywhere. Just like yours could have wandered across a previous land-bridge from Siberia, the Korean peninsula, canoed over from Polynesia, or drifted north from south & central america, (which means that they weren't "native" to northern america either - so who's ignorant of past migrations again?).
LOL
That's your reply, an inane textual laugh? Why bother if you aren't going to addressed any points raised?
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I often wonder about this land bridge thing.....who's to say that it was a one way street? Just a thought.
Many of the indigenous of this continent, consider it all as "Turtle Island" while recognizing territories borders are just imaginary lines came up by very un-imaginative people IMHO.
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I often wonder about this land bridge thing.....who's to say that it was a one way street? Just a thought.
It's possible that some wandered back eventually however, the understanding is that they were following game and the weather was better the further into "turtle island" they wandered.
Many of the indigenous of this continent, consider it all as "Turtle Island" while recognizing territories borders are just imaginary lines came up by very un-imaginative people IMHO.
Well, considering that neither north, south or central america are islands, it was kind of "imaginative" to call them that.
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I often wonder about this land bridge thing.....who's to say that it was a one way street? Just a thought.
It's possible that some wandered back eventually however, the understanding is that they were following game and the weather was better the further into "turtle island" they wandered.
Many of the indigenous of this continent, consider it all as "Turtle Island" while recognizing territories borders are just imaginary lines came up by very un-imaginative people IMHO.
Well, considering that neither north, south or central america are islands, it was kind of "imaginative" to call them that.
There are many sites that have been shown to pre-date the land bridge by a long shot.
See now it seems that you would mold our perceptions and interpretations of things into a mindset that is very foreign to us. We just look at a lot of things differently than the masses may see them. Seeing things differently is, in my opinion, often a good thing. None of us know it all, and knowledge passed is a true gift indeed. I must clarify "passed". I mean offered, not forced, which is another beast altogether.
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I have no problem with some sort or retribution given to the Indian tribes of our country. However, I thought that we already did this thru tax breaks. The Indians that are here now are not the ones that suffered many years ago so this settlement is bogus to me.
This could be due to the fact that you ain't a native american tribal enrollee member of a federally recognized tribe in north america?
Are you? If so, which tribe?
But then ignorant european americans always have that gripe that they don't get money for free from the us. gov.t and no pun intended :thumbsup:
He didn't mention anything about getting "money for free from" the U.S. government like various tribes are subsidized. Also, you're assuming his ancestors came from Europe, (and that he's ignorant - of what?), when they could have come from anywhere. Just like yours could have wandered across a previous land-bridge from Siberia, the Korean peninsula, canoed over from Polynesia, or drifted north from south & central america, (which means that they weren't "native" to northern america either - so who's ignorant of past migrations again?).
LOL
That's your reply, an inane textual laugh? Why bother if you aren't going to addressed any points raised?
you've got all the answers to life don'tcha falconey lol ;D
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you've got all the answers to life don'tcha falconey lol ;D
What's that got to do with the context of what was posted, 'twinkie'?
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well...it's a very small step in the right direction...
what's in it for obama? :binkybaby:
possible 2nd term with a few more ndn voters? :bootyshake:
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you've got all the answers to life don'tcha falconey lol ;D
What's that got to do with the context of what was posted, 'twinkie'?
LOL. itz got everything 2 do with it. if u missed that 1 f9 i'd get back to ur surveys :wave: if i were u.
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LOL. itz got everything 2 do with it. if u missed that 1 ...
Do you even know what 'context' means?
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I applaude his long overdue action. That being said, by so doing, he has increased his voter base for the upcoming election. I'm not saying the man doesn't care, I'm just not sure he would have done it if there wasn't something in it for him. Same goes for why he is pushing to have illegal aliens made citizens if they have resided in the US for a certain amount of time..build up that voter base. This is worrisome on two levels. One, all the immigrants from long ago wanted to be here so badly that they were willing to jump throught all the hoops that the law requires..learn english, learn about US History and more....Now Obama wants to just hand Citizenship out like candy for the purpose of a percieved expanded voter base? Two, the most prevalent illegals in the US are Hispanics...Culturally hard working and industrious. Why is that worriesome? Because they, and all other persons with a strong work ethic, will be stabbed in the back if and when Obama is able to push and fully implement Obamacare. How? Because Obamcare is a thinly veiled massive, socialist giveaway program, that will benefit the sloths in our country more than anyone else..and NEWS FLASH: The people who work the hardest will be penalized by having their hard earned dollars taken away by the huge tax increases required to fund the program.
Beware: Do not have the wool pulled over your eyes. There is no free lunch from the Goverment, that is unless you are a lowlife leech who sees no benefit in being productve, and who sees giving birth as additional income.
I worked in the welfare system for 30 years and hard working people who have fallen on hard times, who have no income, but have personal property that they have worked years to get, cannot get help unless they strip themselves of all they have worked for. They are honest they fess up to what they have and get disqualified.
The pimps, prostitutes, drug dealers, scam artists etc know the system and will leave their thick gold bracelets necklaces and rings at home when they come to the welfare office and they and keep their real property and luxury vehicles in other persons names to not be traced. Because their livliehood is "the hustle" they know how to hustle the Government too. All this will happen with Obamacare too, AND IF YOU ARE A WORKER YOU WILL PAY. I am married to a welfare fraud investigator, and I can tell you fraud is rampant in all government programs, but hard to prove or stop.
To a hard working person like myself the nine most terrifying words in the english language are, "I'M FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND I'M HERE TO HELP" Come November, If you belong to a group that he has done some benefit for, appreciate the justice of it, But don't be so stupid as to not see what lies beneath!! And if you are a slug and sloth and dont care because you want the free handout, come out of your selfishness for a moment and think of your kids and future granbabies....Maybe they will object to your unproductive way of life and go the other way. In that case they will be suffering economically long after you are gone. That's all I have to say!
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LOL. itz got everything 2 do with it. if u missed that 1 ...
Do you even know what 'context' means?
in all of your jargon english grammer intellectual type written replies I'm surprised you don't comprehend jargoned slang? LOL. Do u evn know what 'slang' means?
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LOL. itz got everything 2 do with it. if u missed that 1 ...
Do you even know what 'context' means?
in all of your jargon english grammer intellectual type written replies I'm surprised you don't comprehend jargoned slang? LOL. Do u evn know what 'slang' means?
Yes, I know what "slang" means and I know when someone is dodging a question, ('do you even know what "context" means?'), in this context.
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LOL. itz got everything 2 do with it. if u missed that 1 ...
Do you even know what 'context' means?
in all of your jargon english grammer intellectual type written replies I'm surprised you don't comprehend jargoned slang? LOL. Do u evn know what 'slang' means?
Yes, I know what "slang" means and I know when someone is dodging a question, ('do you even know what "context" means?'), in this context.
yes i know what context means, but that was many contexts ago. :icon_rr:
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yes i know what context means, but that was many contexts ago. :icon_rr:
Short-term memory loss or, difficulty staying away from the "fire-water"?
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yes i know what context means, but that was many contexts ago. :icon_rr:
Short-term memory loss or, difficulty staying away from the "fire-water"?
ocd or 19th century mentality. wanna go back to the buffalo and tipi mindset lol :thumbsup: :cat: :angel11:
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ocd or 19th century mentality. wanna go back to the buffalo and tipi mindset lol :thumbsup: :cat: :angel11:
That may happen again someday so, some folks may want to hone their bow-hunting skills & fishing skills.
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ocd or 19th century mentality. wanna go back to the buffalo and tipi mindset lol :thumbsup: :cat: :angel11:
That may happen again someday so, some folks may want to hone their bow-hunting skills & fishing skills.
falcon9, I take you to be a 'Jim Bridger' at heart? :star:
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wanna go back to the buffalo and tipi mindset lol :thumbsup: :cat: :angel11:
That may happen again someday so, some folks may want to hone their bow-hunting skills & fishing skills.
falcon9, I take you to be a 'Jim Bridger' at heart? :star:
Not exactly, although my uncle taught my cousins and myself to hunt with a bow, trap & fish when I was eleven years old. Later on, a military survival course actually required the participants to survive in northern Minnesota, (during the Fall), with just a knife & a canteen - no food or matches. Either I died trying or, made it through the 5-day course.
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Walksalone is back! YESSS! Hope you're doing good, man!
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Hiya Falc, I believe "good" is a matter of perception, and while many I am sure would disagree, I think I am doing quite well, indeed. Despite what ever this flu thing is that's determined to kick my *bleep* at the moment. Heh heh heh...ever the philosopher...."back" is also relative, I'm thinking ;)
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Hiya Falc, I believe "good" is a matter of perception...
Heya. I agree; both "good" and "bad" are a matter of perception, (which is a blend consisting partially of subjective and partially objective perception ... the key is accurately discerning which is which and maintaining the balance between the two).
... and while many I am sure would disagree, I think I am doing quite well, indeed. Despite what ever this flu thing is that's determined to kick my *bleep* at the moment. Heh heh heh...ever the philosopher...."back" is also relative, I'm thinking ;)
You may want to consider having that "flu" looked at and tested for some strains of pneumonia, (which is a general term used to describe lung infections caused by any number of 'bugs', viruses, bacteria, parasites, or fungi ... the organisms that cause pneumonia can all be highly contagious). I take it you haven't been accepting any blankets as 'gifts' lately however, an infected somebody may have coughed near you.
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Hiya Falc, I believe "good" is a matter of perception...
Heya. I agree; both "good" and "bad" are a matter of perception, (which is a blend consisting partially of subjective and partially objective perception ... the key is accurately discerning which is which and maintaining the balance between the two).
... and while many I am sure would disagree, I think I am doing quite well, indeed. Despite what ever this flu thing is that's determined to kick my *bleep* at the moment. Heh heh heh...ever the philosopher...."back" is also relative, I'm thinking ;)
You may want to consider having that "flu" looked at and tested for some strains of pneumonia, (which is a general term used to describe lung infections caused by any number of 'bugs', viruses, bacteria, parasites, or fungi ... the organisms that cause pneumonia can all be highly contagious). I take it you haven't been accepting any blankets as 'gifts' lately however, an infected somebody may have coughed near you.
LOL, as a matter of fact I had someone ask me the other day if I would trade a piece of property I own for some beads and blankets and instantly had the same thought you are alluding to......yeah, I still own the property. I am a bit concerned with the possibility of pneumonia since I have had it twice before. I thought I was feeling pretty good, considering, when I got up this morning and started doing some chores but after awhile started feeling like kaka again, so thinking....one more day on the couch I guess.
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LOL, as a matter of fact I had someone ask me the other day if I would trade a piece of property I own for some beads and blankets and instantly had the same thought you are alluding to...
Next time someone tries to pull the other one, tell them you'd need 50 ponies, two women and another piece of land of equivalent value, (the first two counter-offers should distract a guy from the third).
...yeah, I still own the property. I am a bit concerned with the possibility of pneumonia since I have had it twice before. I thought I was feeling pretty good, considering, when I got up this morning and started doing some chores but after awhile started feeling like kaka again, so thinking....one more day on the couch I guess.
Can you have someone on or off rez check you for pneumonia? You could have 'walk(ing)alone pneumonia' and they can treat that.
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Yeah, call me stubborn I guess, I agreed to go to the ER in a couple days if I didnt feel better by then, after insistent nagging by several relatives. I was called out un-expectantly to tend fire at ceremony last night and half way thru I had to ask a Brother to take over for me.....first time ever.
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Yeah, call me stubborn I guess, I agreed to go to the ER in a couple days if I didnt feel better by then, after insistent nagging by several relatives. I was called out un-expectantly to tend fire at ceremony last night and half way thru I had to ask a Brother to take over for me.....first time ever.
It's your life, (and the other way around), so choose as you will.