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so i don't really get the singularity... if thats true you still didn't answer my question queen of nines... where did that singularity come from? and how could something just be? if thats the case though after i die on earth what do you think will happen? do you think ill get trapped in some bad place like a hell or do you think ill cease to exist... or do you think my being will never stop and it will know that and possibly suffer for eternity
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Actually Falcon9 did answer that question, though I doubt it's the answer you're looking for-
"While speaking of origin of universe scientists believe that in the beginning there was nothing. Not even space existed. What existed was singularity with zero dimensions. What existed before that singularity is not at all known. Please note that no body knows what existed before singularity."
There's no problem with saying "I don't know" if there is no real evidence to come to a scientific conclusion. Some things are just currently beyond our range of understanding. However that is no reason to just settle and say some well-defined ancient mythological diety created everything. Though speculative, some unknown metaphysical being(s) could have ignited everything, but since there is no proof of such a concept, one can peacefully settle with the mystery card. I know it's mind-boggling at times, but that is actually a reason to be happy. You live in a period in history where you have the ability to grasp such a grand and mysterious concept, and you can come to your own conclusions.
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Actually Falcon9 did answer that question, though I doubt it's the answer you're looking for-
"While speaking of origin of universe scientists believe that in the beginning there was nothing. Not even space existed. What existed was singularity with zero dimensions. What existed before that singularity is not at all known. Please note that no body knows what existed before singularity."
There's no problem with saying "I don't know" if there is no real evidence to come to a scientific conclusion. Some things are just currently beyond our range of understanding. However that is no reason to just settle and say some well-defined ancient mythological diety created everything.
[quote author-falcon9 link=topic41849]
More significantly, the hypothetical "deity" proposed isn't even all that well-defined. It's more a of vaguely-nebulous concept of speciously-attributed aspects to a supernatural entity. The contentions become largely those of false attributions of 'causes & effects'.
Though speculative, some unknown metaphysical being(s) could have ignited everything, but since there is no proof of such a concept, one can peacefully settle with the mystery card. I know it's mind-boggling at times, but that is actually a reason to be happy. You live in a period in history where you have the ability to grasp such a grand and mysterious concept, and you can come to your own conclusions.
There's also some who have speculated that the super-singularity was "g-d" and that "he" exploded, becoming the universe. Naturally, there is zero evidence to support this speculation however, it may account for not returning metaphysical phonecalls ("prayers").
“Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense.”
-- Voltaire
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after i die on earth what do you think will happen? do you think ill get trapped in some bad place like a hell or do you think ill cease to exist... or do you think my being will never stop and it will know that and possibly suffer for eternity
You'll cease to exist. "You" are 100 percent your brain, which is a physical organ. When your brain stops working, "you" will be gone. Your body will remain until it decomposes or is cremated. All consciousness associated with your brain will be nonexistent, just like before you were alive. The closest experience the average person can have to being dead is like when you are asleep at night (without vivid dreaming). You don't remember the moment at which you slip into unconsciousness and you essentially "black out" for hours, with no recollection of time passing when you awake. That is kind of like death will be like, but permanent.
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All consciousness associated with your brain will be nonexistent, just like before you were alive.
This premise, (and the subsequent conclusion), assumes that "all conscious" awareness is associated with the physical brain. It may or, may not be - I'm unsure if the hypothesis is testable. For instance, if there is some aspect of consciousness, (not necessarily a speculated "soul"),
which arises out of physical brain activity as an emergent property of that functional-complexity, then there's a question of whether or not such an emergent phenomenon is dependent or, independent of the physical brain. There is evidence that synaptic brain activities cease minutes after death, (which inferentially means that any functions such as autonomic or "thought" also ceases).
One extrapolation is that "thought" is an emergent phenomenon of synaptic activities and that, if that emergent phenomenon is dependent upon continued synaptic activity, so too are any speculative emergent properties arising from the same basis. However, there still remains no plausible way of testing whether or not some non-dependent emergent phenomenon is capable of non-physical existence after the ceasation of life. That's usually the point where religious adherents jump in with intangible "soul" notions.
The closest experience the average person can have to being dead is like when you are asleep at night (without vivid dreaming). You don't remember the moment at which you slip into unconsciousness and you essentially "black out" for hours, with no recollection of time passing when you awake. That is kind of like death will be like, but permanent.
Having seen the sleep-as-a-little-death parallel before, some thought has been given to that analogy. Like most analogies, it has a 'fail-point' when taken to the logical extreme. This one's fail-point is that consciousness, (or, subconsciousness in the instance of sleep), remains while asleep. Doubtless this is why "vivid", (or "lucid"), dreaming was mentioned. Even after a sleep-cycle which no dreams were remembered, sleep studies have shown that REM evidence that dreams are still occurring, (which means that consciousness/subconsciousness remains during sleep). One could extrapolate that either death is like an unrecalled dream, that death is like retaining conscious awareness sans a physical body or, that death isn't actually like being asleep after all and we just don't know.
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All consciousness associated with your brain will be nonexistent, just like before you were alive.
Once I wasn't, then I was, now I ain't again?
I was thinking about the previous mentioning of singularities. One of their theorized properties is the absence of time (as well as most properties of our physical universe as we understand them). If it were possible to view someone from within the scope of a singularity, what would be seen? To be more specific, how is time understood (or even appreciated at all) from a state of no time (where there is no before/after)?
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I was thinking about the previous mentioning of singularities. One of their theorized properties is the absence of time (as well as most properties of our physical universe as we understand them). If it were possible to view someone from within the scope of a singularity, what would be seen? To be more specific, how is time understood (or even appreciated at all) from a state of no time (where there is no before/after)?
Mathematically, as a singularity's event-horizon is approached, (at least from within this universe and heading for the singularity/blackhole),
the experienced duration of "time" would slow until the event-horizon was crossed. After that, 4-d physics doesn't apply as your mention of the "absence of time" within a singularity indicates. What's interesting in this regard is that a posited spinning singularity, (having rotating event-horizon), could form a "donut-hole" at its center through which something material may survive the tidal forces of the rotating singularity. Since just about everything in the physical universe is composed of mass which rotates, (from subquanta to stars), this isn't so far-fetched an idea. Until we can get close enough to send an exploratory craft through such a 'rabbit-hole', (or, can create an artificial singularity somewhat less massive than a collapsed star), your answer will have to be awaited.
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Any theories on an entangled particle passing through the event horizon? Is entanglement persistent in such a case?
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Any theories on an entangled particle passing through the event horizon? Is entanglement persistent in such a case?
I haven't seen or developed a quantum-entanglement theory as it pertains to a blackhole/singularity yet. Both the mathematics involved in a rotating singularity and quantum-entanglement theories would need to be examined side-by-side to eliminate any invalid portions of the equations when the two are resolved as a combined equation. However, matter has been observed to cross the event-horizons of singularities, (whereupon we lose detection of it and some assume that matter has been 'destroyed' - I don't, unless conservation of energy doesn't apply within a singularity or, being unable to discern whether or not it went 'somewhere else' instead).
I'd looked at theories pertaining to 'linked' rotating singularities, (where the speed and angular momentum factors in both were matched so that the math suggests that particles, entangled or not, would pass through like unto "StarGates" in a vague parallel way). Until such a thing is attempted, there's no way to know. Mathematical proofs are one thing; entering a spinning singularity's "donut-hole" and emerging intact somewhere else is quite another.
"Physics isn't a religion. If it were, we'd have a much easier time raising money."
-- Leon Lederman
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ok i googled falcon9 yes i did and wikipedia says falcon9 is a rocket powered space flight launch system,go falcon 9, i enjoy reading your stuff on here maybe don't want to even admit that but it's fun better than some other stuff
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ok i googled falcon9 yes i did and wikipedia says falcon9 is a rocket powered space flight launch system,go falcon 9, i enjoy reading your stuff on here maybe don't want to even admit that but it's fun better than some other stuff
"In December 2008, NASA announced the selection of SpaceX's Falcon9 launch vehicle and Dragon spacecraft to resupply the International Space Station (ISS). On May 29th, the Dragon craft was launched by Falcon9 into a docking orbit with the ISS."
Soon after this event, my gf began wanting me to call her my "ISS".
:o
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Actually Falcon9 did answer that question, though I doubt it's the answer you're looking for-
"While speaking of origin of universe scientists believe that in the beginning there was nothing. Not even space existed. What existed was singularity with zero dimensions. What existed before that singularity is not at all known. Please note that no body knows what existed before singularity."
There's no problem with saying "I don't know" if there is no real evidence to come to a scientific conclusion. Some things are just currently beyond our range of understanding. However that is no reason to just settle and say some well-defined ancient mythological diety created everything.
[quote author-falcon9 link=topic41849]
More significantly, the hypothetical "deity" proposed isn't even all that well-defined. It's more a of vaguely-nebulous concept of speciously-attributed aspects to a supernatural entity. The contentions become largely those of false attributions of 'causes & effects'.
Though speculative, some unknown metaphysical being(s) could have ignited everything, but since there is no proof of such a concept, one can peacefully settle with the mystery card. I know it's mind-boggling at times, but that is actually a reason to be happy. You live in a period in history where you have the ability to grasp such a grand and mysterious concept, and you can come to your own conclusions.
There's also some who have speculated that the super-singularity was "g-d" and that "he" exploded, becoming the universe. Naturally, there is zero evidence to support this speculation however, it may account for not returning metaphysical phonecalls ("prayers").
“Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense.”
-- Voltaire
I have often said that if there ever was a "god" that they either are dead or really could care less. And let's be honest why should a "god" care any way ?
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I have often said that if there ever was a "god" that they either are dead or really could care less. And let's be honest why should a "god" care any way ?
It's a strange conceit to believe that some hypothetical "g-d" created an entire vast universe, (including a tiny speck, way off along the spiral arm of one of billions of galaxies), did some pottery and made people out of it and is somehow more intensely concerned with whether or those 'pottery-wheel' creations are "sinning"/accepting this implausible stuff than with how 99.999999999 % of the rest of the universe is doing.
The sheer hubris involved by 'believers' in that is staggering, let alone the 'religions' spawned by ignorance.
"Religion easily has the greatest bull*bleep* story ever told. Think about it, religion has actually convinced
people that there's an INVISIBLE MAN...LIVING IN THE SKY...who watches every thing you do, every minute of every day.
And the invisible man has a list of ten special things that he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these
ten things, he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send to
live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry for ever and ever 'til the end of time...but he loves you!"
-- George Carlin, (from his album "You Are All Diseased")
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I have often said that if there ever was a "god" that they either are dead or really could care less. And let's be honest why should a "god" care any way ?
It's a strange conceit to believe that some hypothetical "g-d" created an entire vast universe, (including a tiny speck, way off along the spiral arm of one of billions of galaxies), did some pottery and made people out of it and is somehow more intensely concerned with whether or those 'pottery-wheel' creations are "sinning"/accepting this implausible stuff than with how 99.999999999 % of the rest of the universe is doing.
The sheer hubris involved by 'believers' in that is staggering, let alone the 'religions' spawned by ignorance.
"Religion easily has the greatest bull*bleep* story ever told. Think about it, religion has actually convinced
people that there's an INVISIBLE MAN...LIVING IN THE SKY...who watches every thing you do, every minute of every day.
And the invisible man has a list of ten special things that he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these
ten things, he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send to
live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry for ever and ever 'til the end of time...but he loves you!"
-- George Carlin, (from his album "You Are All Diseased")
I just love your pottery reference hahaha ! Here is some pottery I made :
(http://i.imgur.com/OAu1J.jpg)
Does that qualify me for "God" status as well ? lol
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Hey! We have a Paper Mario fan! Awesome! Nice work!
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I just love your pottery reference hahaha ! Here is some pottery I made :
[well-made pottery pic]
Does that qualify me for "God" status as well ? lol
Wouldn't that be "goddess"?
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Hey! We have a Paper Mario fan! Awesome! Nice work!
Why thank you! I also made a Luigi and a Mario ! I don't know what I did with the pics of the Mario one. I will have to look for one.
(http://i.imgur.com/kIZzw.jpg)
I just love your pottery reference hahaha ! Here is some pottery I made :
[well-made pottery pic]
Does that qualify me for "God" status as well ? lol
Wouldn't that be "goddess"?
lol Yes. Yes it would. ;)
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@Cuppycake: Love 'em! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Woohoo for more godless gamers!
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Does that qualify me for "God" status as well ? lol
Wouldn't that be "goddess"?
lol Yes. Yes it would. ;)
Considering where you're holding the bowls, it's a good thing they weren't pottery jugs instead?
:o
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@Cuppycake: Love 'em! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Woohoo for more godless gamers!
Oh, what a difference an "L" makes in that word ...
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@Cuppycake: Love 'em! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Woohoo for more godless gamers!
:D Did I mention I met my husband in a video game lol ?
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Does that qualify me for "God" status as well ? lol
Wouldn't that be "goddess"?
lol Yes. Yes it would. ;)
Considering where you're holding the bowls, it's a good thing they weren't pottery jugs instead?
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LOL ! I am actually working on a mug with a doctor who theme for my dad as well. No "jugs" as of yet though hahaha !
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I am actually working on a mug with a doctor who theme for my dad as well. No "jugs" as of yet though hahaha !
Excellent, I've always admired the creative arts and used to dabble a bit in painting horses and landscapes long ago ... maybe I'll be inspired to resume the pursuit one day.
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I am actually working on a mug with a doctor who theme for my dad as well. No "jugs" as of yet though hahaha !
Excellent, I've always admired the creative arts and used to dabble a bit in painting horses and landscapes long ago ... maybe I'll be inspired to resume the pursuit one day.
Well then allow me to show you one of my paintings to encourage you to create more yourself ! (I would love to see some of your paintings btw!) (http://i.imgur.com/0NLX8.jpg)
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Well then allow me to show you one of my paintings to encourage you to create more yourself ! (I would love to see some of your paintings btw!) (http://i.imgur.com/0NLX8.jpg)
Interesting ... a sort of Van Gogh style mixed in with what is presumably your own style?
(my paintings aren't available in an online format; they're either gathering dust in my mom's attic or, languishing in some other obscue corner of the universe by now). I haven't actually painted in years however, have turned my creative instincts to game design and other more artistic pursuits nonetheless.
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Well then allow me to show you one of my paintings to encourage you to create more yourself ! (I would love to see some of your paintings btw!) (http://i.imgur.com/0NLX8.jpg)
Interesting ... a sort of Van Gogh style mixed in with what is presumably your own style?
(my paintings aren't available in an online format; they're either gathering dust in my mom's attic or, languishing in some other obscue corner of the universe by now). I haven't actually painted in years however, have turned my creative instincts to game design and other more artistic pursuits nonetheless.
I never thought of it as Van Gough-ish lol. But yeah I kinda do my own thing. I made my layout for it on the computer but when I started painting it on the canvas I went a different way entirely. The paint shop pr version is :
(http://i.imgur.com/S1pvA.jpg)
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So falcon9 , what sort of game design ? Anything we might be able to play hmmm ?
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I never thought of it as Van Gough-ish lol. But yeah I kinda do my own thing. I made my layout for it on the computer but when I started painting it on the canvas I went a different way entirely. The paint shop pr version is :
(http://i.imgur.com/S1pvA.jpg)
Somewhat of a fan of dragons, are you? In an unrelated coincidence, a privately-owned company used a "Falcon9" rocket to launch a "Dragon" craft into orbital rendez vous with the ISS, (International Space Station), just over a week ago. Your paint shop rendition seemed apropos of that event.
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So falcon9 , what sort of game design ? Anything we might be able to play hmmm ?
All four games developed, (or well into the development process), are tested for playability and two of these are in the process of licensing the publications rights out. The entire process, from initial concept, through design & development, to production/publication can be a lengthy one.
Due to copyright considerations, none of these games can be described here, (plus, that would be plugging my products - a TOS violation).
In general, however these are essentially 'strategy' types of games so far.
Game design is something I've discovered that I enjoy; especially those games which more fully immerse the players' minds while still being 'fun' to play.
"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing."
-- George Bernard Shaw
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I never thought of it as Van Gough-ish lol. But yeah I kinda do my own thing. I made my layout for it on the computer but when I started painting it on the canvas I went a different way entirely. The paint shop pr version is :
(http://i.imgur.com/S1pvA.jpg)
Somewhat of a fan of dragons, are you? In an unrelated coincidence, a privately-owned company used a "Falcon9" rocket to launch a "Dragon" craft into orbital rendez vous with the ISS, (International Space Station), just over a week ago. Your paint shop rendition seemed apropos of that event.
Yes I do love dragons. My husband is the phoenix fan. In the online game I met him in my character's name was Dragonfaire and his was Quetzalcoatl. I made this painting for him on our anniversary.
That is awesome lol!
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So falcon9 , what sort of game design ? Anything we might be able to play hmmm ?
All four games developed, (or well into the development process), are tested for playability and two of these are in the process of licensing the publications rights out. The entire process, from initial concept, through design & development, to production/publication can be a lengthy one.
Due to copyright considerations, none of these games can be described here, (plus, that would be plugging my products - a TOS violation).
In general, however these are essentially 'strategy' types of games so far.
Game design is something I've discovered that I enjoy; especially those games which more fully immerse the players' minds while still being 'fun' to play.
"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing."
-- George Bernard Shaw
Well just let me know when you CAN say something about them as I am an avid gamer. :)
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Yes I do love dragons. My husband is the phoenix fan. In the online game I met him in my character's name was Dragonfaire and his was Quetzalcoatl. I made this painting for him on our anniversary.
That is awesome lol!
Anne McCraffrey's DragonRider series continuation is greatly missed by my gf and although she and I didn't meet in an online game, (which is no doubt not as uncommon as it once was), your situation does relate to ours in other somewhat obscure ways. Yours is a unique anniversary gift.
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Well just let me know when you CAN say something about them as I am an avid gamer. :)
Will do. The two closest to being put on the market relate to chess and checkers in a uniquely-copyrighted way. The others are of different genres and are still under development, as mentioned.
The first two's marketing has been delayed mainly due to parallel product release desires, (hopefully, these will become available in both boardgame and computer/app formats - which is taking longer than anticipated).
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Yes I do love dragons. My husband is the phoenix fan. In the online game I met him in my character's name was Dragonfaire and his was Quetzalcoatl. I made this painting for him on our anniversary.
That is awesome lol!
Anne McCraffrey's DragonRider series continuation is greatly missed by my gf and although she and I didn't meet in an online game, (which is no doubt not as uncommon as it once was), your situation does relate to ours in other somewhat obscure ways. Yours is a unique anniversary gift.
I haven't read that series. I did enjoy reading DragonLance and my son's middle name even came from the books lol!
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Well just let me know when you CAN say something about them as I am an avid gamer. :)
Will do. The two closest to being put on the market relate to chess and checkers in a uniquely-copyrighted way. The others are of different genres and are still under development, as mentioned.
The first two's marketing has been delayed mainly due to parallel product release desires, (hopefully, these will become available in both boardgame and computer/app formats - which is taking longer than anticipated).
What company is it that you work for? My husband said to ask and are they hiring? hahaha !
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Yes I do love dragons. My husband is the phoenix fan. In the online game I met him in my character's name was Dragonfaire and his was Quetzalcoatl. I made this painting for him on our anniversary.
Anne McCraffrey's DragonRider series continuation is greatly missed by my gf and although she and I didn't meet in an online game, (which is no doubt not as uncommon as it once was), your situation does relate to ours in other somewhat obscure ways. Yours is a unique anniversary gift.
I haven't read that series. I did enjoy reading DragonLance and my son's middle name even came from the books lol!
While Anne's gone now, there have been several games released based on the Pern series.
"In 1983 Mayfair Games created a board game "Dragonriders of Pern" featuring cards with Pern characters and locations. This game is now rare and valuable to Pern collectors.
In 1983, Epyx released a video game "Dragonriders of Pern" for the Atari 800 and Commodore 64 in which the player could battle Thread and engage in diplomacy on Pern.
In 2001 a video game Dragon Riders: Chronicles of Pern was created by Ubisoft Entertainment for the PC and Dreamcast under license from zyntopo teoranta (Irish corporation); the owners of the motion picture, gaming and ancillary Rights. This game follows a dragonrider as he Searches for young women to be candidates for Impressing a new gold dragon, and battles the "bad guys" on an adventure across Pern.
A number of online MUD-style games have been created exploring the Pern universe, most notably PernMUSH. These are unofficial and tend to centre on role-playing rather than combat." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonriders_of_Pern
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The first two's marketing has been delayed mainly due to parallel product release desires, (hopefully, these will become available in both boardgame and computer/app formats - which is taking longer than anticipated).
What company is it that you work for? My husband said to ask and are they hiring? hahaha !
*chuckle* I'm a private contractor who may be hiring at some point, depending upon what your husband can contribute - what does he do?
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The first two's marketing has been delayed mainly due to parallel product release desires, (hopefully, these will become available in both boardgame and computer/app formats - which is taking longer than anticipated).
What company is it that you work for? My husband said to ask and are they hiring? hahaha !
*chuckle* I'm a private contractor who may be hiring at some point, depending upon what your husband can contribute - what does he do?
Well he is a systems analyst currently a team lead at a VoIP company.
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Yes I do love dragons. My husband is the phoenix fan. In the online game I met him in my character's name was Dragonfaire and his was Quetzalcoatl. I made this painting for him on our anniversary.
Anne McCraffrey's DragonRider series continuation is greatly missed by my gf and although she and I didn't meet in an online game, (which is no doubt not as uncommon as it once was), your situation does relate to ours in other somewhat obscure ways. Yours is a unique anniversary gift.
I haven't read that series. I did enjoy reading DragonLance and my son's middle name even came from the books lol!
While Anne's gone now, there have been several games released based on the Pern series.
"In 1983 Mayfair Games created a board game "Dragonriders of Pern" featuring cards with Pern characters and locations. This game is now rare and valuable to Pern collectors.
In 1983, Epyx released a video game "Dragonriders of Pern" for the Atari 800 and Commodore 64 in which the player could battle Thread and engage in diplomacy on Pern.
In 2001 a video game Dragon Riders: Chronicles of Pern was created by Ubisoft Entertainment for the PC and Dreamcast under license from zyntopo teoranta (Irish corporation); the owners of the motion picture, gaming and ancillary Rights. This game follows a dragonrider as he Searches for young women to be candidates for Impressing a new gold dragon, and battles the "bad guys" on an adventure across Pern.
A number of online MUD-style games have been created exploring the Pern universe, most notably PernMUSH. These are unofficial and tend to centre on role-playing rather than combat." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonriders_of_Pern
I will have to check it out. :)
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What company is it that you work for? My husband said to ask and are they hiring? hahaha !
*chuckle* I'm a private contractor who may be hiring at some point, depending upon what your husband can contribute - what does he do?
Well he is a systems analyst currently a team lead at a VoIP company.
I see. Unhappy with his job or, just looking at other options? Someone who can 'get down in the trenches and hack code' will be useful down the line as well as a bit of analyzing the overall integrating of different game modules. He is doubtless aware that game design can be significantly more complex than business applications, yes?
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I will have to check it out. :)
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Have fun doing so.
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What company is it that you work for? My husband said to ask and are they hiring? hahaha !
*chuckle* I'm a private contractor who may be hiring at some point, depending upon what your husband can contribute - what does he do?
Well he is a systems analyst currently a team lead at a VoIP company.
I see. Unhappy with his job or, just looking at other options? Someone who can 'get down in the trenches and hack code' will be useful down the line as well as a bit of analyzing the overall integrating of different game modules. He is doubtless aware that game design can be significantly more complex than business applications, yes?
He is a gamer and a techie geek so I think that is why he asked hahaha!
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He is a gamer and a techie geek so I think that is why he asked hahaha!
Yep, I pretty much had extrapolated that. He'd be very likely to enjoy the games being developed then, although I can't be sure. The larger game companies tend to repeat the same general genre patterns, (something I try to avoid as an independent contractor), and that's a bit 'crappy'.
"What's all this fuss I hear about endangered feces? That's outrageous. Why is feces endangered? How can you possibly run out of such a thing? Just look around you - you can see it all over the place. And besides, who wants to save that anyway?"
-- Emily Litella/Gilda Radner