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I would like this explained to me in a way that I can understand. Seems ridiculous that a baby can be gay.
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I am not sure what you mean. But I now a family where all the kids (3 boys and 1 girl) where gay. It was something hard to understand but for whateever reason the whole family carried some sort of gene that made them all be gay.
I also know a boy that at age 2 liked to wear dresses and earrings and head ribbons, and play with barbies and make up and no matter what his parents did he refuse to wear anything but girl sutff, he would still them from his sister's room, he had all type of "Boys" toys, trucks and legos and little soldiers, but NO he wanetd to play make up and babies with his sister, he was a twin. So it might have something to do with a gene of some kind that twisted the mind and makes go the other way.
I am not sure for a baby, anything younger than 2 is a real baby and they cannot know what is up or down. But I do believe that some people is born like that.
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There is no gene that causes babies to be gay.
The baby is influenced by his or her upbringing....lack of a strong male role model.
Boy is a boy and girl is a girl!
God created man and woman in the beginning, "male and female, He created them."
Truth is truth.
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But it's totally understandable to you that a baby can be born heterosexual? Because that's what you are so that makes sense? This question is absurd to me.
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Nobody is born gay and everyone chooses to be gay.
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No one is born gay. God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Adam and Eve and Eve.
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Just like someone can be born with no arms, no legs. People are born with heart problems, diabetes, bipolar. Some people are born with with Down Syndrome some are not. Some are born with great musical, artistic ability, anything you can imagine people can be born with. I don't believe being gay is a choice just like you can't choose to be born heterosexual. You can't help being born white, black, albino etc.
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No, I don't believe it.
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I dunno, most babies come out of the womb crying, that's "gay as f**K". honestly though if it was a choice, that is a hard decision to make when someone is barely able to express themselves in a clear manner.
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I think it is perfectly possible for a baby to be born with a gene(s) that causes them to favor the same sex when they mature. Of course babies won't "act gay" just as a heterosexual baby won't start making out with babies of the opposite sex; saying that a baby is born gay just means that they have the gene which will activate at puberty. I think that there may be some people that choose to become gay (or more to the point, to have gay sex), but for the most part it is just something that is intrinsic in them. I've even heard homosexuals lament that they are the way they are; they'd say that if given the choice they'd choose to be heterosexual. Society is set up more for heterosexuals so it is easier to blend in as a heterosexual; there is less stigma being heterosexual; and since the majority of the population is heterosexual, it is easier to find a partner as a straight person.
Even if your belief system states that homosexual sex is a sin, this doesn't negate the fact that some people might be born gay. Even though murder is a sin, a person born paranoid schizophrenic may have the tendency to want to kill other people. Likewise a medically diagnosed depressed person may want to commit suicide which again is a sin according to Christian faith systems. An overweight person may have a thyroid problem even though gluttony is a sin. Etc., etc. At the very least you may want to describe the act as a sin and that a person has a choice whether to engage in that activity. If that were the case, then instead of trying to persecute people for being gay, you may want to try helping them.
BTW, I wish that topics that are this divisive (esp. when the OP seems to be trolling a bit by almost seemingly to be purposefully obtuse to think that a baby will express their sexual preference before there hormones have kicked in to assert late-acting genes) would be posted in the Debate and Discussion section.
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I would like this explained to me in a way that I can understand. Seems ridiculous that a baby can be gay.
Can someone be born stupid?
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The question makes no sense especially, as someone mentioned, you believe that babies can be born heterosexual and have no problem with that. The only difference between the two is whom the person is attracted to. What exactly don't you get?
The question or questions that need to be asked is how can you believe that someone would choose to be gay? and why would someone choose to be gay?
Is it because they like being made fun of, beat up or even murdered, having their families and/or communities turn their backs on them? Or is because they love being denied rights? How about being push to suicide because of their mistreatment?
Does any of that make sense to you?
The idea of upbringing being the cause is idiotic too. Didn't Dic.k Cheney's daughter just marry her girlfriend? Yeah, I'm sure she was raised in an ultra liberal household ::) .
Seriously, use your brains or just get off the planet. You can't choose attraction. It's hardwired.
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I've heard this saying before...too many times to count as I have a couple gay/lesbian members in my extended family. It's one of those things that I don't understand nor agree with. Like one person said, "God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Adam or Eve and Eve." I have never been one to have any gay tendencies so I don't understand what gays feel or how they see things. To me it's just one more twist through the decades as what society is accepting as being ok and making up every which angle to convince themselves and others that same sex is ok. I for one don't believe a person is born gay...or there is a gay chromosome.
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...The question or questions that need to be asked is how can you believe that someone would choose to be gay? and why would someone choose to be gay?
Is it because they like being made fun of, beat up or even murdered, having their families and/or communities turn their backs on them? Or is because they love being denied rights? How about being push to suicide because of their mistreatment?
Does any of that make sense to you? ...
This is what I agree with.
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I've heard this saying before...too many times to count as I have a couple gay/lesbian members in my extended family. It's one of those things that I don't understand nor agree with. Like one person said, "God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Adam or Eve and Eve." I have never been one to have any gay tendencies so I don't understand what gays feel or how they see things. To me it's just one more twist through the decades as what society is accepting as being ok and making up every which angle to convince themselves and others that same sex is ok. I for one don't believe a person is born gay...or there is a gay chromosome.
Here's something kookie, how about you ask them?
The fact that you obviously didn't read previous posts that disagree with you in order to make this comment tells me you don't care to understand. You want to believe whatever nonsense prevents you from actually rethinking your currently held beliefs.
You clearly believe that people choose to be gay, so enlighten me... what exactly are the benefits of that choice? Why would someone choose it? Explain to me how that makes any sense to you.
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So those that think it's how you raise a child, what do you think animals do to raise their children gay? (And also, why do you think being gay is so terrible in the first place?)
"A 1999 review by researcher Bruce Bagemihl shows that homosexual behavior has been observed in close to 1,500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, and is well documented for 500 of them. Animal sexual behaviour takes many different forms, even within the same species. The motivations for and implications of these behaviors have yet to be fully understood, since most species have yet to be fully studied. According to Bagemihl, "the animal kingdom [does] it with much greater sexual diversity – including homosexual, bisexual and nonreproductive sex – than the scientific community and society at large have previously been willing to accept." Current research indicates that various forms of same-sex sexual behavior are found throughout the animal kingdom."
"According to geneticist Simon Levay in 1996, "Although homosexual behavior is very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior to the exclusion of heterosexual activities. Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to be a rarity. One species in which exclusive homosexual orientation occurs, however, is that of domesticated sheep (Ovis aries). About 10% of rams (males) refuse to mate with ewes (females) but do readily mate with other rams."
Approximately 8% of rams exhibit sexual preferences [that is, even when given a choice] for male partners (male-oriented rams) in contrast to most rams, which prefer female partners (female-oriented rams).
In fact, apparent homosexual individuals are known from all of the traditional domestic species, from sheep, cattle and horses to cats, dogs and budgerigars."
(http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/283/b/3/sheep_by_humon-d4cgfks.jpg)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals
The penguin section is interesting, mainly for the suppression of information.
For those who might actually care, would be a good idea to look into mice and fruitflies and other laboratory animals, since research and experiments are done to their genes, environment, and brain chemistry to see how that alters their sexual behavior.
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God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Adam and Eve and Eve.
God created man and woman in the beginning, "male and female, He created them."
Truth is truth.
These are simply, (very simply), specious religious beliefs, not "truth". There is no evidence supporting such a 'creationism' notion, (therefore, it doesn't even qualify as a theory with testable claims). Such religious opinions which rely solely, (or 'soully'), upon "faith/belief" instead of substantive evidence are empty, (that is, not equivalent to 'opinions' which have at least some substantive basis).
This entire thread seems a "nature vs. nuture" subject more suited for the debate & discuss subforum.
"All religions are ancient monuments to superstition, ignorance, ferocity; and modern religions are only ancient follies."
-- Baron D'Holbach
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I would say the same way someone can be born straight. Can you explain that to me? If so, then apply the same explanation to how someone can be born gay.
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No clue, I think it is more on how a baby is raised. And the people who refuse to reveal the sex of their babies and dress them like a girl one day and a boy the next day are sick I don't think it has anything to do with stopping gender profiling :bs: I think they should be forced to not do such a thing. A child should be able to identify with his/herself as what they are and not try to be manipulated not to be the gender they are suppose to be.
You can't be serious. Dressing your child in a gender stereotypical way from the day they are born IS manipulating them into the gender of your choice. Dressing children in neutral colors rather than a pink or blue would allow the child to have more freedom of expression when they reach the age where they can dress themselves.
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Ok first of all no one is born gay ok people choice to be like that and Im just sick of people saying they r born gay which is 10000% false God made men to like women and women to like men and that how it is u can't change it. People choose to be gay men exprience with trying on women clothes and wearing make up and etc and for a gal who choice to be a tomboy coz she have all brothers and they like sport and than she is like I don't wanna feel left out so join in with her brothers and watch sport and dress like a boy and etc.
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Ok first of all no one is born gay ok people choice to be like that and Im just sick of people saying they r born gay which is 10000% false God made men to like women and women to like men and that how it is u can't change it. People choose to be gay men exprience with trying on women clothes and wearing make up and etc and for a gal who choice to be a tomboy coz she have all brothers and they like sport and than she is like I don't wanna feel left out so join in with her brothers and watch sport and dress like a boy and etc.
I think you are confusing terms.
Homosexual - gay and lesbian - prefer having sex with their own gender.
Transvestites or Cross-dressers prefer dressing in the opposite gender's clothing and acting as the opposite gender - but are not necessarily homosexual themselves (see Eddy Izzard and Ed Wood and I guess every "tomboy" girl who still manages to be straight even without wearing makeup and dresses ::) )
Transgender believe they were born the wrong gender, and may identify as either gay or straight based on the gender they perceive themselves to be, and may or may not have surgery and hormones to better affect their proper gender.
You might find transgender tricky. If talking about a transgender woman, then she would have been born externally male. She can identify as straight (attracted to men) or gay (attracted to women).
And then there is Bisexual, who can choose, as they are attracted to both genders to some extent.
(As opposed to asexuals, who lack a sexual attraction to any gender.)
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Ok first of all no one is born gay ok people choice to be like that and Im just sick of people saying they r born gay which is 10000% false God made men to like women and women to like men and that how it is u can't change it. People choose to be gay men exprience with trying on women clothes and wearing make up and etc and for a gal who choice to be a tomboy coz she have all brothers and they like sport and than she is like I don't wanna feel left out so join in with her brothers and watch sport and dress like a boy and etc.
I think you are confusing terms.
Homosexual - gay and lesbian - prefer having sex with their own gender.
Transvestites or Cross-dressers prefer dressing in the opposite gender's clothing and acting as the opposite gender - but are not necessarily homosexual themselves (see Eddy Izzard and Ed Wood and I guess every "tomboy" girl who still manages to be straight even without wearing makeup and dresses ::) )
Transgender believe they were born the wrong gender, and may identify as either gay or straight based on the gender they perceive themselves to be, and may or may not have surgery and hormones to better affect their proper gender.
You might find transgender tricky. If talking about a transgender woman, then she would have been born externally male. She can identify as straight (attracted to men) or gay (attracted to women).
And then there is Bisexual, who can choose, as they are attracted to both genders to some extent.
(As opposed to asexuals, who lack a sexual attraction to any gender.)
Kudos for a valiant attempt except that:
"One can lead a horse to water however, if one holds the horse's head under, that horse will drown."
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Ok first of all no one is born gay ok people choice to be like that and Im just sick of people saying they r born gay which is 10000% false God made men to like women and women to like men and that how it is u can't change it. People choose to be gay men exprience with trying on women clothes and wearing make up and etc and for a gal who choice to be a tomboy coz she have all brothers and they like sport and than she is like I don't wanna feel left out so join in with her brothers and watch sport and dress like a boy and etc.
I'm sorry, but you are a complete and utter moron. I won't even attempt to be civil here because I can tell by how you write (and the fact that you believe in magic men in the sky) that no type of reasonable well thought out argument would penetrate something so dense. :BangHead:
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I had a brother (RIP) who was gay, and he struggled with it for a long time. You are attracted to what you are attracted to, and it is not a choice, it is a feeling. Can you make yourself stop feeling something that you deeply feel?
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Ok first of all no one is born gay ok people choice to be like that and Im just sick of people saying they r born gay which is 10000% false God made men to like women and women to like men and that how it is u can't change it. People choose to be gay men exprience with trying on women clothes and wearing make up and etc and for a gal who choice to be a tomboy coz she have all brothers and they like sport and than she is like I don't wanna feel left out so join in with her brothers and watch sport and dress like a boy and etc.
Being a tomboy doesn't mean a girl is choosing to be gay. There are plenty of fine, feminine women who were tomoys when they were kids, but grew up to be good wives and mothers, and certainly aren't "gay." And kids, even teenagers, aren't always sure of themselves. A lot of them are influenced by the way they are brought up, and being encouraged to express their "originality and individuality, and they have a lot of conflicting emotions. Since being gay is the "in" thing now, (at least its being made into a big deal), it's no surprise that so many kids try it. The surprising thing is that they are actually surprised if they get bullied.
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Ok you are not born gay but i also dont think its chosen thing though either the exact origin i dont know
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Nothing like starting a controversial topic.
My thoughts - yes people are born with homosexual tendencies.
Many people choose to ignore them.....some people the tendencies are stronger than others.
Does environment effect the ability to choose your lifestyle? ABSOLUTELY.
Some people will never be strong enough to choose to be "GAY",
even though it may be the way they feel on the inside.
Although society has come a long way, it is still an uneasy lifestyle -
especially depending on what part of the world you live in.
Trust me - NO ONE Would Choose to be GAY~
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They don't know
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Ok so lets go there cause this issue is everywhere... A gene I dont think so...A choice yes I do..Being born with a ovarian and sperm producing and being a male or female i wouldnt say they cant go either way. Hermaphodite. But being born gay or a gene is not a proven fact from i been learning. I had a friend who was a female and her choice after being with men was to be with women. Then she went back to men. So i figure she was just exploring her choices of people whether its man or woman..hence the words woman or man in each word man is obvious. I just think some where along the way mommy or daddy took some enhancements or pills and then defected the gene pool...Just my thought cause I really dont get this pill take for pain or anything of that matter cause our people back in days didnt have much of that and the experimenting really did something to genes or people in general. Just a thought. I love all People whether or not of they choices.
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I think that people have to be born gay, because i myself do not have any desire to be with a man, nor would i ever want to be that way, so i just think that it is wrong to judge someone who is gay, because i don't think they asked to feel the way that they do, which is attraction toward the same sex.
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Sorry but i never believe you could be born gay
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Since only heterosexual matings can produce "gay" or "straight" offspring, should heterosexual humans be 'blamed' for producing "gay" ones?
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Read somewhere that it's not usually genetic but that sexual preference can be influenced by hormones in the womb. I dont think most people would choose to be different from mainstream so dont think its a choice for most. Anyway, its not right to persecute people.
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Why would someone choose to be gay? So someone like you can judge and push your hate on them? Why were you born straight? It just happens. It's a shame that we still talk and debate this issue. No one chooses their sexual orientation. They can only choose whether or not to express it.
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I had a brother (RIP) who was gay, and he struggled with it for a long time. You are attracted to what you are attracted to, and it is not a choice, it is a feeling. Can you make yourself stop feeling something that you deeply feel?
I am so sorry you lost your brother :-[
But I do have a question for you..... Is being Gay a disease? Since you are saying "he struggled with it for a long time" sounds kinda like cancer or something.
May he be in peace and God have mercy. :'(
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I do not believe you are born gay.Not saying it can't happen.I just believe it's more of the people you associate with.Peer pressure.
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Now I see how the GOP exists and thrives. The rich are only 1%... but the racist, uneducated, simple minded bigots are many. Appeal to these people's fears and you rule. Also it helps if you make these poor people believe that someday they too will have a mansion just so long as the government isn't allowed to stop them from doing so.
I will say this without any sugar coating... IF YOU BELIEVE HOMOSEXUALITY IS "WRONG" YOU ARE NOT SMART!
No other way to say this. I DON NOT have to "respect' your dumb beliefs. I just cannot LEGALLY prohibit you from believing it. However please know that you are completely wrong about everything.
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As far as being a bigot apparently that could go both ways since you can not accept others points of view without shouting and going into name calling. (Saying people are not smart) I do not call names. I know a few gays, and I let them go peacefully on their way. I do not befriend them either when society puts you around someone you don't like you should act like a mature adult about it. I call that the co-worker syndrome you don't have to like them but you got to get along with them until the end of the day as civilly as possible.
I was not lying I would disown one of my children if they told me they were gay. It will always be wrong in my book. And I would accept it even less if it were my child.
So... you define a bigot, admit to mirror said behavior, THEN claim not to be a bigot??? Genius.
This remind me of the drug addicted negligent mother who loudly declares "I'm a good mother"... Just saying that you aren't a bigot doesn't mean you aren't one. Bigot.
I stand by my declaration that you are not smart.
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I would like this explained to me in a way that I can understand. Seems ridiculous that a baby can be gay.
Can someone be born stupid?
lol good one ;D
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No one is born gay. ::)
Let's be honest here.
If you're a dude,and you reject this
(http://i.imgur.com/JOLlW.jpg)
for this
(http://i.imgur.com/WsDiD.jpg)
you clearly must have a mental illness.
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dansazz~ I would like this explained to me in a way that I can understand. Seems ridiculous that a baby can be gay.
Most people think that having a baby is easy, just get prego. & pop out comes the baby a blue blanket or a pink blanket.In reality,it's amazing how the fetus gets through the gestation period & through the 9 months of development w/out serious problems.Anything that happens to the mother will affect the baby.Stress alone can alter the chemical status of the baby,when mechanisms that control the hormones that turn on or turn off things in the body;somethings can go wrong,like female hormones not shutting off when it should have in a baby boy or hormones that was suppose to stop producing for a baby girl but doesn't over flowing her w/too much testosterone.Documentation/reports of gay people was found to have been conceived or born during war times of WWI WWII...etc.So,no I don't think gay is genetic & I've not heard of any cases where the sperm of a gay man produced a gay baby.
In this society of anti-gay or anti anything different from the norm:what sane person would want to cause hell in his life by deciding to be gay?!No,being gay is not a choice:it's a result of something going wrong while developing inside the mother! :male: :female: :BangHead: ::) so get over it people; you can't turn gay by being near one. :peace: :wave:
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That's like saying that being female makes you like taking care of kids and being male makes you like sports. Being born a certain gender doesn't dictate what sort of activities we like, why would it dictate who we like? I think a lot of it is based on how people are raised. Everyone is raised seeing different images and finding different things attractive. Find two girls raised in different households and each will find different features attractive. Same with boys as well. Some people will want their partner to be taller than them, or to have bigger lips, or thousand of other traits.
These traits aren't just limited to the sex we are attracted too. Heck, girls tell each other how they look good when shopping for clothes or such. Obviously we see attractive features regardless of sex of the person who possesses them. So, I don't think people are necessarily born gay or straight, we just begin to be drawn towards a certain gender as we discover more about ourselves.
I do believe it is a choice though. I'm sure there was a small percentage that found their same sex attractive but figured everyone else felt the same way and just went along with social convention.
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I am also a God fearing Baptist who holds nothing against the atheist they need to make up their own mind about their belief's ...
Whereas I'm a rational human who fears no such manmade supernatural egregores and who holds religious adherents responsible for their own self-inflicted mind-blindness of "faith".
I was not lying I would disown one of my children if they told me they were gay. It will always be wrong in my book. And I would accept it even less if it were my child.
Uttered like a 'true-believer' fundie.
I could care less about examples of animals. (someone gave) Animals are not people.
You assert that "animals are not people" after proclaiming not to be a bigoted racist, (if you exclude animals from the human race, that's racist, bigoted and prejudiced).
Nobody has to respect anyone's opinion and everyone has a opinion and nobody seldom shares them. We are all have a brain and we are all allowed to use them.
That's an interesting point and in that case, I'll use my mind to determine that I don't respect your religiously-prejudiced opinion.
"In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche
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No one is born gay. ::)
No one is born a religious fundamentalist. It's a blindness they acquire after exposure to proselytizing propaganda if their will is weak.
If you're a dude,and you reject this
(http://i.imgur.com/JOLlW.jpg)
for this
(http://i.imgur.com/WsDiD.jpg)
you clearly must have a mental illness.
Following that line of non-reasoning, if someone rejects rational thought process and embraces illogical irrationality, they'd clearly signify some sort of mental illness, aye?
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche
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Didn't I ask you to stop quoting me once before?
Perhaps so however, as I recall, you don't get to issue demands which others are obligated to comply with on a forum which is not some exclusive xtian countryclub. Tough break, nyet comrade?
I will never respect your opinions either, but once again I have never quoted you first.
Why would I care one way or the other if some mind-blind fundie respects blind faith over reason?
As for animals though I run a pet rescue and care for them dearly I would never put them equal to human kind, because they are not human. They are in fact living breathing creatures who I would fight for their life to live and be a voice for but you will never hear me refer to them as equal to mankind.
So, do you believe that you're more intelligent or compassionate than, say a dolphin? If so, I'd find that rather dubious.
I hope you are a vegetarian after the comment you just made. I sure am!
Nope. My ancestors didn't claw their way to near the top of the food-chain to eat leaves.
You are the opposite of a Bible Thumpper and honestly seem to have entirely too much time on your hands to fill a forum with your beliefs. :BangHead:
I agree that I'm the polar opposite of a religiously-proselytizing bible-thumper, (since I have no 'bible' to thump and logic cannot be properly 'proselytized'). What, exactly are you assuming my "beliefs" to be?
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The same way you can be born straight, you bigot. You never made a conscious decision to be that way, you just were.
If there's one thing I hate about these forums, it's the homophobic HATE by the bucketful. Stop thinking so highly of your lifestyle and putting down people who are different than you. Nothing the gay community does hurt you, so get over yourself. If this were the 1960s and a racial issue, some of you are basically on par with KKK members toward gays.
And yes, this is coming from a straight woman who was taught by good, decent parents to be tolerant of others' differences as long as those differences don't hurt anyone. The end.
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There is an argument that sexual orientation is at least in part, in some people, a matter of genetics.
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I don't understand your point ("How can a baby be gay?")... Babies aren't sexual (hetero- or homo-) simply because they aren't old enough... however, they can carry the DNA/RNA in their systems that will affect their sexuality as adults.
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You are the opposite of a Bible Thumpper and honestly seem to have entirely too much time on your hands to fill a forum with your beliefs. :BangHead:
I agree that I'm the polar opposite of a religiously-proselytizing bible-thumper, (since I have no 'bible' to thump and logic cannot be properly 'proselytized'). What, exactly are you assuming my "beliefs" to be?
You know I am not going to convince you that God is real no more than you are going to convince me he is not.
The difference is that I haven't claimed the 'reality' of a hypothetical egregore and you have, (using blind faith in lieu of substantive evidence).
I am set in my ways and you are set in yours. We both know who we are.
Indeed; you are "set in" your fundamentalist "ways" and I remain reliant upon an ability to reason instead.
And that is good, but this thread wasn't about religion. It makes just as much since as an atheist coming into a religious discussion putting down religion as it does a christian going into a atheist discussion and trying to convert them to christian.
You misunderstand the purpose of dissenting opposition; I'm not "trying to convert them to" xtianity. Conversely, xtian proselytization/propagandizing religious beliefs inherently tries to convert, (e.g., so-called "missionaries" - witness the american indians as evidence).
That's all I am saying. You are wasting your typing skills on me.
Consider that this is a public forum and that responses are not for you, personally. They are made in reply to the religious nonsense you freely chose to post, (and others are as free to post opposing viewpoints as xtians are to propagandize their religious beliefs).
If you would like me to follow you around and quote your anti-christian babble in unrelated discussions and say "God bless" after each as a Bible thumpper would do I will. If not please do not be anti-God thumpping me with your scientific babble.
Thank you for providing a direct threat to troll/call-out. This will be provided in evidence should you carry out your 'threat'. My replies have occurred in those threads where such "bible-thumping" or religious proselytizing occurs, (although you have a point about xtians posting such in unrelated threads/forums initially).
I like your country club comment though. ;D You are really something. Next you will even be adding the dumb blond jokes! Really?
You've managed to miss the 'xtian country club' point in your faith-blindness then. That point was/is that the FC forums/threads do not consitute some sort of exclusive domain for unopposed xtian religious prosselytization. I haven't speculated as to your hair color in this regard since that's only relevent if you're "dumb".
What do I think your belief's are?
I think you are an atheist a non-believer ...
A non-belief isn't a "belief", (it's the opposite, just as disbelief is the opposite of "belief"). Atheism does not consist of beliefs, religious or otherwise. Logic/reason are not "beliefs" - they're rational methodologies, (as opposed to irrational methodologies such as religious beliefs).
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I completely agree that the positive thoughts first thing in the morning does help.
If you tell yourself that you are not going to allow anything to bring you down, it CAN work! Too bad everyone doesn't feel this way!!
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So many things about you are not actually determined by you; they're based off of your genes. You can't pick your skin color, natural talents, certain aspects of your personality, who you are attracted to, etc. Does that make sense?
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We are ALL inherently female to start with which is why hermaphrodites are able to be born to begin with. Anyone that thinks it is not possible for someone to be born gay is ignorant and oblivious to reality. I find that those that do choose to ignore fact for religious fiction live in fantasy land choosing fairy tales over truth.
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BOY - Take a controversial subject like this and see what comes out of the woodwork. Too bad some of the other fun posts don't get the same response.
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It's just a poor excuse to justify deviant behavior.By the same logic,are some people born pedifiles?Are we supposed to allow them to act on thier deviant behavior because they were born that way?
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I don't know how. I think it is something someone chooses to act upon.
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We are ALL inherently female to start with which is why hermaphrodites are able to be born to begin with. Anyone that thinks it is not possible for someone to be born gay is ignorant and oblivious to reality. I find that those that do choose to ignore fact for religious fiction live in fantasy land choosing fairy tales over truth.
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Bravo!
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It's just a poor excuse to justify deviant behavior.By the same logic,are some people born pedifiles?Are we supposed to allow them to act on thier deviant behavior because they were born that way?
In this spirit of love the sinner, hate the sin... I'm not saying that YOU are an idiot, but this statement IS idiotic.
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By the same logic,are some people born pedifiles?
Only if pedofilia is genetic. As opposed to being born 'a manicure tool', ("pedifile"{sic}).
Are we supposed to allow them to act on thier deviant behavior because they were born that way?
Why not? We're "supposed to allow" xtians to act on their deviant, santimonious religious behaviour, (although not because they were "born again" that way, but because you can't fix stupid per/Ron White).
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As far as being a bigot apparently that could go both ways since you can not accept others points of view without shouting and going into name calling. (Saying people are not smart) I do not call names. I know a few gays, and I let them go peacefully on their way. I do not befriend them either when society puts you around someone you don't like you should act like a mature adult about it. I call that the co-worker syndrome you don't have to like them but you got to get along with them until the end of the day as civilly as possible.
I was not lying I would disown one of my children if they told me they were gay. It will always be wrong in my book. And I would accept it even less if it were my child.
So... you define a bigot, admit to mirror said behavior, THEN claim not to be a bigot??? Genius.
This remind me of the drug addicted negligent mother who loudly declares "I'm a good mother"... Just saying that you aren't a bigot doesn't mean you aren't one. Bigot.
I stand by my declaration that you are not smart.
Calling someone a bigot when you are one of the biggest bigots of them all. Says a lot about your character doesn't it.
What makes me a bigot? Because you say so?
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It's just a poor excuse to justify deviant behavior.By the same logic,are some people born pedifiles?Are we supposed to allow them to act on thier deviant behavior because they were born that way?
In this spirit of love the sinner, hate the sin... I'm not saying that YOU are an idiot, but this statement IS idiotic.
He's not an idiot; JJ's remark just 'happens' to share the same characteristics and defining parameters of idiocy by pure 'coincidence'.
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i honestly don't think its possible to be born gay .. i think people just use it as an expression.
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i honestly don't think its possible to be born gay .. i think people just use it as an expression.
By the same token, (genetics); someone born without arms is just using it "as an expression", (they'd probably gesture too, but ...)
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As far as being a bigot apparently that could go both ways since you can not accept others points of view without shouting and going into name calling. (Saying people are not smart) I do not call names. I know a few gays, and I let them go peacefully on their way. I do not befriend them either when society puts you around someone you don't like you should act like a mature adult about it. I call that the co-worker syndrome you don't have to like them but you got to get along with them until the end of the day as civilly as possible.
I was not lying I would disown one of my children if they told me they were gay. It will always be wrong in my book. And I would accept it even less if it were my child.
So... you define a bigot, admit to mirror said behavior, THEN claim not to be a bigot??? Genius.
This remind me of the drug addicted negligent mother who loudly declares "I'm a good mother"... Just saying that you aren't a bigot doesn't mean you aren't one. Bigot.
I stand by my declaration that you are not smart.
Then why say that I am a bigot?
Calling someone a bigot when you are one of the biggest bigots of them all. Says a lot about your character doesn't it.
What makes me a bigot? Because you say so?
Not unless my name is Webster and it's not. ;D
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Wow, someone saying they would disown their child if they ever came out and said they were gay. They would probably be better off if you did since you are one of the people in this world that keeps the hate going.
Honestly, my daughter came to me and told me that she is a lesbian. I had no idea, and my love for my children is unconditional, I refuse to lose my relationship with them over their sexuality. I don't understand fully why she is, nor will I ever stop loving her because of it. She has grown to be a beautiful, independent woman who will stand up for what she wants in life. I raised her and I couldn't be prouder. I try so very hard not to judge others, and I am glad that I raised my kids the same way.
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Wow, someone saying they would disown their child if they ever came out and said they were gay. They would probably be better off if you did since you are one of the people in this world that keeps the hate going.
Honestly, my daughter came to me and told me that she is a lesbian. I had no idea, and my love for my children is unconditional, I refuse to lose my relationship with them over their sexuality. I don't understand fully why she is, nor will I ever stop loving her because of it. She has grown to be a beautiful, independent woman who will stand up for what she wants in life. I raised her and I couldn't be prouder. I try so very hard not to judge others, and I am glad that I raised my kids the same way.
There you go. Though some situations may be difficult to deal with, apparently some xtians' "love" is conditional.
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It's just a poor excuse to justify deviant behavior.By the same logic,are some people born pedifiles?Are we supposed to allow them to act on thier deviant behavior because they were born that way?
#1 It's pedophiles not "pedifiles"
#2 Even if "pedifiles" are born that way, them acting on their urges involves harming someone else. They're including in their act someone who, by their age, is not capable of consent. Do you see the difference between that and 2 consenting adults wanting to be together?
I mean, seriously, this stuff doesn't even require that much thought. So next time, before you embarrass yourself again, think, then speak.
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I would like this explained to me in a way that I can understand. Seems ridiculous that a baby can be gay.
Can someone be born stupid?
Best answer... I am gay... It is not a choice... Some people see an attractive women and think "That's Attractive..." other people see an attractive man and think the same way... It just happens...
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No one is born gay, it is a choice people make. God do not make mistakes, if you were born a boy or girl that is what you are.
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Qusestion I ask if you were born gay then where is the gene that says thats whats. Im just curious, cause so many say that they are born gay. Does this mean you was born bi sexual if thats your choice. Hmmm
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i dont know but i do believe it happens that way
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Chrisfan, I say this as plainly as possible: You are just an awful human being. Not my opinion, your own words hammer this truth home.
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There's no biological evidence for babies being gay ???
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It is like any other preference that one has a baby..som babies like certain foods, and hate others, some are scared of certain things and not of others. It is a preference that occurs as soon in life as one can begin to express preferences, either verbally or non verbally. Until sexual maturity, it is more of a preference to be around the same sex to the exclusion of the opposite sex. At a young age, the individual would not understand any of it, but would as they mature. I recently saw a documentary of a baby who was born schizophrenic. The parents did not know it, but they filmed the baby at 3 months old tracking an unseen object across the ceiling with her eyes, even craning her neck to se it as got farther away. The parents in their wildest dreams never guessed the true reason for this and other quirky behaviors, until at age 5 they finally had the chilld evaluated and learned the diagnosis. It is thought that the child hallucinates almost constantly and has since birth or even in the womb, when the brain was developed enough to do so. The point being that a baby comes into the world with many facets of it's behavior and preferences already in place.
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Chrisfan, I say this as plainly as possible: You are just an awful human being. Not my opinion, your own words hammer this truth home.
And I say this I could care less what you think of me, and yes it is your opinion which you are entitled to think what you want, but as I said I do not care what you think, because nowhere did I say I was an awful human being but for someone who thinks that, you sure spend a lot of time following me on this forum especially in this discussion.
It isn't an opinion. It is a fact. Based solely off of things you say about yourself. The fact that you would cease to have a relationship with your child if they were gay is horrible.
Either a terrible person, or vastly stupid. I'll explain:
You are terrible if you make a conscious decision to turn your back on your child because they do something you disagree with.
You are STUPID if you make the decision based on your faith. There is no way your god would have you turn your back on your child, especially if they are "lost"
So I ask you... Terrible person, or stupid?
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Some people are born gay. I even think it could very well be possible because of all the vaccines and junk they're putting in our foods today. Some are born that way and some are gay cause they think it's cool. imo :dontknow:
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chrisfan48, what you wrote is an unbelievable load of horse s.hit.
Firstly what keeps hate going is people who do not know how to live civilized.
I am a civilized person who happen to answer a question in a public discussion forum.
Part of being a civilized person is the desire to live peacefully among others. One of the best ways to achieve this is by understand the people around you. You have no desire to do this. Your mentally feeds into everything that keep us divided. So no, I wouldn't call you civilized at all.
No I do not think people are born gay. (Neither do most researchers)
No, most researchers don't have a definitive answer but they actually study the subject, they don't just accept nonsense from 2000 year old books written by people who had zero understanding of the world around them. You are no researcher.
Also I would disown my child if one came to me and stated they were gay.
That does not mean I would magically stop loving that child there is no on and off button a parent never stops loving their child and wants to protect them from everything however not being able to accept their sexual preference I would be doing what is best for both of us.
Who cares if you still love them? Your love is meaningless and worthless. A parent that actually wants to protect their child would just protect their child period. Someone knows they are loved through the actions of the person that says they love them. People that beat their spouses say they love them too. Your love is useless. You remove all meaning from the word by your actions.
You don't like to judge but you sure seemed to want to judge me.
I don't know why people say they don't like to judge. I have no problem with it. People that slow down progress in our society with their ridiculous beliefs should be judged.
And just because I find homosexuality wrong , does not mean I would be cruel to anyone I would not. It also does not mean I would be uncivilized I would not. (and as I said civilized people do not breed hate it is uncivilized who hate and then go out and react on that hate that are harmful and keep hate alive)
Disowning your child is cruel. You are being harmful. You do keep hate alive. You are uncivilized.
Before you judge my decision to "disown" and maybe I should clarify I would not disown I would just no longer want a relationship I would not just stop magically unloving my child. My love is unconditional like most parents but I would not want a daily relationship with my child.I would still be there for him/her in an emergency but.........
So, you "clarify" what you mean by "disown" by defining it exactly the way we already know it to be defined? You basically just said "I wouldn't disown my child, I would just disown my child." ::) What do you think no longer having a relationship with them means? Whether or not you love them has nothing to do with it.
Your "love" (if you want to call it that) is not unconditional. It's not even love. Your "love" is absolutely pointless. What good is it? Seriously? What good does it do your child to have a parent they can't turn to on a regular basis?
...back when I was in high school years a go. My 3rd cousin came out of the closet. His parents were cruel and mean. Like me they were and I will say are civilized people but to him they were monsters. (There are a few gays in our neighborhood they would never treat the way they treated him)
They're not civilized and they are monsters. If you would treat your own flesh and blood worse than someone you have no relation to, you are a horrible human being.
There were several days he spent the afternoon in tears and I felt horrible for him. I didn't understand how they could react in such a way. Right after graduation they told him to get out and never come back. He is now happy in a relationship and they want to adopt. I am happy he is happy because I saw him when he was miserable. Telling him to leave and not come back gave him that happiness though. I know it stung he has been able to move on.
Are you effing serious? Are you that screwed in the head to think that his bigot parents are somehow heroes in this scenario? If he's happy it's despite his homophobic parents, not because of it. You know what would've made him happy beyond belief? Actually still having a family to turn to along with the happiness he found with his partner.
With how you define "love", I shouldn't be shocked with how you define "happiness". Hey, let's deny him that adoption and have him reach euphoria.
If my child were to be gay and come out, whose to say I would not respond like my cousins? I don't show hate and I act in a civilized manner to everyone but what if that ends at home like it did for them??
Your actions are hateful. You are not civilized. You don't know how to define words. Just saying this stuff doesn't make it true.
It would be hurtful to my child to be around me just like it was hurtful for him to be around his parents and I would want my child to have happiness and I would never want to be the cause to damper it even though I would not approve of their choice.
Here's a thought, don't act like a douche towards your child and maybe they'd be happy. Did you ever consider that? I'm sure you haven't because only a civilized person would do that.
Also, you insist on calling it a choice when you've done zero research on the subject. Homosexuals get disowned by their families and communities, denied rights, made fun of and harassed, beat up, pushed to the point of suicide, and in some cases killed. If it's a choice, please enlighten me as to which one of these wonderful outcomes they've decided to chose. What are the benefits of this "choice"? Please answer this.
So I have my reasons for wanting them away form me. I never understood years a go but I understand now it was the best thing they could do for him. Let him go. It stung them all for awhile and then they were all able to move on. I am sorry if that does not make sense to you. But that is how it is.
Bigots trying to spin their bigotry to make it somehow a good thing is all that's happening here.
Oh, I just saw that you responded to another post while I was typing this.
There is no proof that I am however
*Dumb
*Awful human being
*Terrible person
*Stupid
Um, everything you say is proof.
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It is like any other preference that one has a baby..som babies like certain foods, and hate others, some are scared of certain things and not of others. It is a preference that occurs as soon in life as one can begin to express preferences, either verbally or non verbally. Until sexual maturity, it is more of a preference to be around the same sex to the exclusion of the opposite sex. At a young age, the individual would not understand any of it, but would as they mature. I recently saw a documentary of a baby who was born schizophrenic. The parents did not know it, but they filmed the baby at 3 months old tracking an unseen object across the ceiling with her eyes, even craning her neck to se it as got farther away. The parents in their wildest dreams never guessed the true reason for this and other quirky behaviors, until at age 5 they finally had the chilld evaluated and learned the diagnosis. It is thought that the child hallucinates almost constantly and has since birth or even in the womb, when the brain was developed enough to do so. The point being that a baby comes into the world with many facets of it's behavior and preferences already in place.
Well said, I agree with that statement. I also want to point out that I am a Catholic, I believe in God and Jesus Christ, and even as a Catholic I do not like nor apporve some of the rules that the Catholic church has. But I would like to point out that as Christians we have learn that God create Adam and Eve. But if you like at history, before and after Jesus, homosexuality has been there since day one. Now I ask you, if God only intended for the world to be all Adams and all Eves then why has homosexuality existed since the dawn of time? I believe that God has his own plans and he created gays and lesbians for a reason, I also believe that some people is born with the preference for certain companion, even when as babies we do not know or want to believe what is that. But I also believe that society has open their minds more and that is why a lot of people has come out saying that they are gay, but not all of them where born that way.
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The dictionary defines words, it has nothing to do with me saying them, and just because you try to twist them to please you does not make what you say true or correct.
You're the only one twisting words. I pointed that out. You said you wouldn't disown your child then explained what you would actually do by pretty much stating that you would disown your child in different words like no one would notice.
You realize your actions don't match up to your words and try to escape criticism for it by twisting your words to fit in places they just don't.
Where is your scientific evidence to support anything. You are right I am not a researcher but if someone is born a particular way there is a gene. A gene some researchers claim to have found but many many more can not, until there is proof that the gene does exist I will continue to have my belief's and you can continue to have yours.
Not having definitive answers yet doesn't mean you can just plug up that hole with just anything. You already do that with god. The proper thing to do is go where the evidence leads. I clearly stated that there was no definitive answer and not, as you did, say that researches lean one way or another.
Not having an answer doesn't mean that all beliefs about the subject are equally valid. Some can be pointed out as completely idiotic. My leanings have to do with the lack of thoughtfulness of your beliefs. I lean away from your beliefs for the same reason I lean away from 2 plus 2 equaling 2. My response is not about having definitive scientific or mathematical proof of what 2 plus 2 equals, but based on an understanding of addition, 2 plus 2 equaling 2 can be ruled out. Could I be wrong? Sure, but my reasoning is sound, which leads me to believe I am not wrong (btw, 2 + 2 = 4 if you were wondering). You, on the other hand, have beliefs based not on reasoning but on a book that, ironically, since you bring up science, has been proven to be scientifically and historically inaccurate time and time again.
Funny how you bring up science when you ignore it anytime it shoots giant holes in everything you believe.
I do live peacefully among others it is not thoughts it is actions that make things not peaceful.
No. Thoughts spark actions. How many Jews did Hitler actually kill with his own hands? He made a hell of a lot of speeches though and many died just by him speaking on what he thought.
You give cover and confidence to those that act on the same thoughts that you have. You are equally to blame.
And sorry to inform you I do know how to define words just fine.
Yes. Fine enough to suit your needs.
This is the last I will say to you in this discussion as well because you are entitled to your opinion just like I am entitled to mine.
Of course it's the last thing you will say because you're a coward. You're entitled to your beliefs, but if you put them in a public forum, I'm entitled to criticize. If my belief is that your beliefs are idiotic and harmful to society, I will say so because I'm entitled to do so.
I asked this :
Also, you insist on calling it a choice when you've done zero research on the subject. Homosexuals get disowned by their families and communities, denied rights, made fun of and harassed, beat up, pushed to the point of suicide, and in some cases killed. If it's a choice, please enlighten me as to which one of these wonderful outcomes they've decided to chose. What are the benefits of this "choice"? Please answer this.
What I'm asking here is what is the basis for your belief that it's a choice. Have you even considered the implications of what you're saying? I have never had this question answered. Not even once because every one of you who say you actually believe this are too cowardly to do so. It requires thought and thinking is what prevents people from spewing nonsense they've been told to accept.
Actually think for a change, you might like it. It will make you a better human being and you will be better to your fellow human beings.
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yea i do believe they are born gay because when i was in flordia there was a gay guy on the bus that my friend was talking to. the subject came up and he said he recently came out. he said his mother knew before he actually did because the first day of school he was asked about his day and he said another boy was the cutest in the class. his mom said u mean there was cute girl in class. he said no, boy. so, when he actually came out and told his mom she said i know honey.. i've known since your first day of school.
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Yes, one can be born gay...I think it's some sort of genetic/biological mutation in a person's DNA that causes a psychological disorder.
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Yes, one can be born gay...I think it's some sort of genetic/biological mutation in a person's DNA that causes a psychological disorder.
That must be one twist away on the double-helix from the genetic mutation which causes a predisposition for religious self-delusions, aye?
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I do not believe that a person is born gay. God said practicing homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, he would not a person to be "born to go to hell."
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I do not believe that a person is born gay. God said practicing homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, he would not a person to be "born to go to hell."
Anyone with a tattoo is out also, right?
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I have never heard about a baby being born gay. I agree that it is their environment that they grow up in that gives way to that type of living.
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I don't know the reasoning behind it myself, but its something i have to put up with as my stepson is gay. Just don't cram it down my throat. I have found over the years some of them are very hard to work with. and you have to be very careful of what you say to them. but they can say anything to you. It is not right.
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Everyone is born with God-given Free Will.No one is born gay by that accord.
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I believe U are born gay! There is a gay chomosome and the brains are wired different! :heart: :peace:
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Everyone is born with God-given Free Will.
There is no evidence that some hypothetical supernatural egregore 'gave' anyone freeo will, (or anything else). This is a superstitious religious belief and as such, a false premise. Conclusions drawn from that false premise are inherently false.
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I do not believe that a person is born gay. God said practicing homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, he would not a person to be "born to go to hell."
Anyone with a tattoo is out also, right?
If you're trying to subtlely show the inherently-faulty non-logical non-reasoning in a false premise, (based upon specious religious beliefs), and the equally invalid conclusion drawn from such faulty 'rationalizing'), time wasted on a fundamentalist is time well-spent to dissuade someone else from becoming that mind-blinded by faith.
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I do not think they are born that way. I do not think it is a genetic problem. It is learned through life. They are not born that way, they are made. Environment, school, religion and family relations contribute to the formation of an individual.
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We are ALL inherently female to start with which is why hermaphrodites are able to be born to begin with. Anyone that thinks it is not possible for someone to be born gay is ignorant and oblivious to reality. I find that those that do choose to ignore fact for religious fiction live in fantasy land choosing fairy tales over truth.
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Bravo!
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Thank you! ;)
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Didn't I ask you to stop quoting me once before?
Perhaps so however, as I recall, you don't get to issue demands which others are obligated to comply with on a forum which is not some exclusive xtian countryclub. Tough break, nyet comrade?
I will never respect your opinions either, but once again I have never quoted you first.
Why would I care one way or the other if some mind-blind fundie respects blind faith over reason?
As for animals though I run a pet rescue and care for them dearly I would never put them equal to human kind, because they are not human. They are in fact living breathing creatures who I would fight for their life to live and be a voice for but you will never hear me refer to them as equal to mankind.
So, do you believe that you're more intelligent or compassionate than, say a dolphin? If so, I'd find that rather dubious.
I hope you are a vegetarian after the comment you just made. I sure am!
Nope. My ancestors didn't claw their way to near the top of the food-chain to eat leaves.
You are the opposite of a Bible Thumpper and honestly seem to have entirely too much time on your hands to fill a forum with your beliefs. :BangHead:
I agree that I'm the polar opposite of a religiously-proselytizing bible-thumper, (since I have no 'bible' to thump and logic cannot be properly 'proselytized'). What, exactly are you assuming my "beliefs" to be?
In life there are people who you do not agree with and when you run across them it is always best to be polite to them say hello and keep going. That is what makes the world move and how people tend to get along. It is part of the co-worker syndrome. You know you do not agree with me and you know I do not agree with you. You know I am not going to convince you that God is real no more than you are going to convince me he is not. So the best thing would be not to quote me. That is why I asked you did not on religious issues of coarse I can not insist you do not.
You have freedom of speech just as I do, but it would be courteous of you not to. I am set in my ways and you are set in yours. We both know who we are. And that is good, but this thread wasn't about religion. It makes just as much since as an atheist coming into a religious discussion putting down religion as it does a christian going into a atheist discussion and trying to convert them to christian. That's all I am saying. You are wasting your typing skills on me. I will never deny God or my savior. If you would like me to follow you around and quote your anti-christian babble in unrelated discussions and say "God bless" after each as a Bible thumpper would do I will. If not please do not be anti-God thumpping me with your scientific babble.
I like your country club comment though. ;D You are really something. Next you will even be adding the dumb blond jokes! Really?
My family are not vegetarians either nor were they in my childhood but I respect animals and I am. It is a little something I can do. I am sorry you are not. I thought that was at least something I could say nice about you.
What do I think your belief's are?
I think you are an atheist a non-believer who wants to convince everyone that science is the answer to everything perhaps you are only trying to convince yourself of that. Good luck.
Babies are no more born gay than they are born atheist. And animals pray without being taught.
You have issues on top of your issues don't you ? I suppose you think that babies are born christians ? Why would anyone in their right mind respect the opinions of someone so oblivious to reality? Anyone in this forum can quote you all day long get over it.
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Yes, one can be born gay...I think it's some sort of genetic/biological mutation in a person's DNA that causes a psychological disorder.
That must be one twist away on the double-helix from the genetic mutation which causes a predisposition for religious self-delusions, aye?
Naaaah, science and religion don't mix my friend, remember. Furthermore...Religion is not hereditary, religion is indoctrination...and since I'm NOT "religious" I wasn't susceptible to this "self-delusion" sorry...Perhaps YOU can come up with an explanation as to why someone would go against nature. Nature by the way has nothing to do with religion, just so you know...There has to be a biological reason as to why a person that HASN'T been molested by a same sex person would be gay. C'mon, can we be sensible here?
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Just like someone can be born with no arms, no legs. People are born with heart problems, diabetes, bipolar. Some people are born with with Down Syndrome some are not. Some are born with great musical, artistic ability, anything you can imagine people can be born with. I don't believe being gay is a choice just like you can't choose to be born heterosexual. You can't help being born white, black, albino etc.
I agree!!! People do not choose to be gay. It is something that they must live through in order to perfect their souls. We all have a life to live in a certain way for a reason. We all are here to perfect our souls and to learn from this world in one way or another. And I believe in a God that loves us all the same no matter our differences. Imagine if we were all the same. What a boring world it would be. I wish people could just except the differences in others.
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Firstly following someone to just quote them because you do not agree with what they say and you are putting them down numerous times is trolling so no they can not continue to troll me.
No, replying to quoted text retains context, (such as it is in your instance). Under your usage of the term "trolling", any reply to a post would be "trolling" if you didn't 'like' the reply. The same process is somehow 'not-trolling' if the replies agree with your opinions? Your non-reasoning is specious and self-serving. It is disregarded as irrational. You don't have command over replies to public posts, whether you inaccurately deem them as "trolling" or not.
I do not believe babies are born gay nor straight. They are not born Christian nor Atheist.
Then you are tacitly admitting that such intolerant xtian-based attitudes are the result of being indocrinated to 'believe' in any particular religious nonsense. I oppose such religious indocrination and I support legislation which makes such fundie religious indoctrination prosecutable as child abuse.
(No I do not accept homosexuality, it is deep within me to believe what I was taught that it is wrong)
All you are confirming is that the brain-washing/indocrination 'took' so well that you are unable/unwilling to use reason to fight against it.
I am entitled to my belief's and my feelings just as you and everyone else on the forum is. People are entitled to comment and quote the others here, but they should not troll the other members on the forum.
Once again, quoting in reply is neither "following around" nor "trolling", unless all replies are "following" & "trolling", (which makes everyone posting a "troll" and the term becomes meaningless). Your biased interpretation does not apply outside of your own skull.
Always looking for something to attack in what they say. And that is the way it has been the entire month I have been here and that is wrong and disrespectful. People on this site are all suppose to be adults and they should treat everyone with the same respect they want treated with.
For some non-reason, a few of you xtian fundies 'believe' that you get some kind of 'free pass' to post anything unopposed. The opposing replies shoulod have altered that 'belief' which attempts to characterie replies in disagreement/opposition/refutation or 'you just don't like' as "rude", "disrespectful", "impolite", "untoward", "snooty", "snotty", "snitty", "turbulent" or any other adjective being mis-employed to try censoring dissent. You cannot repress free speech, fundie. Use the 'ignore' button and your view will be censored to spare your 'delicate sensibilities'.
"Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration--courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and, above all, love of the truth."
-- H. L. Mencken