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Discussion Boards => Off-Topic => Debate & Discuss => Topic started by: hitch0403 on July 04, 2012, 01:51:23 pm
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If Jehovah had destroyed A&E immediately after they disobeyed,the human race wouldnt exist.But HE allowed them to have off-spring because HE knew some of the human race would obey and LOVE HIM.
I also wish all atheists and haters of God wouldnt reply to this because it really is beyond your comprehention.
Of course anyone who is grateful for life and appreciates the good things God has provided you are more then welcome.
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It isn't "beyond my comprehension." It simply didn't happen.
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He didn't write "comprehension," his spelling was "comprehention." He's just now learning how that particular word is spelled in the rest of the English speaking world.
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THANKS HITCHO. MADE MY DAY.
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I also wish all atheists and haters of God wouldnt reply to this because it really is beyond your comprehention.
Ineffective 'wishing' is all the adherents of a specious religious belief system are capable of. Ponder this one; how is it possible to "hate" a hypothetical egregore?
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I also wish all atheists and haters of God wouldnt reply to this because it really is beyond your comprehention.
You should learn proper spelling and grammar if you "wish" to be taken seriously.
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I also wish all atheists and haters of God wouldnt reply to this because it really is beyond your comprehention.
You should learn proper spelling and grammar if you "wish" to be taken seriously.
That may be beyond "hitch0403's" comprehension and asking too much, (as opposed to a "wish").
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Vicky,thanx for reading and commenting.
LOL,i was serious about the atheists and haters NOT commenting,but did you really think i would be surprised if you did?And then the weak retort and giving me flashbacks of english class....LOL!I guess you guys wanted to put a spell on me....LOL!!
May i suggest going on YouTube and viewing some Rodney Dangerfield videos so your insults might be humorous and NOT so preeeeeeeeeeediktabull!!
HAHA.
PS:If you ignored the post to begin with i might have been insulted.To bait you guys is like taking dead flys from blind spiders.
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then the weak retort and giving me flashbacks of english class....
This may be beyond your comprehension, but those who don't know how to spell or form sentences properly are generally not too intelligent. It's not a retort...it's a fact.
PS:If you ignored the post to begin with i might have been insulted.
By who, exactly? You fail to follow your own train of logic here.
To bait you guys is like taking dead flys from blind spiders.
Invent an analogy that makes sense, please.
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Vicky,thanx for reading and commenting.
LOL,i was serious about the atheists and haters NOT commenting,but did you really think i would be surprised if you did?And then the weak retort and giving me flashbacks of english class....LOL!I guess you guys wanted to put a spell on me....LOL!!
May i suggest going on YouTube and viewing some Rodney Dangerfield videos so your insults might be humorous and NOT so preeeeeeeeeeediktabull!!
HAHA.
PS:If you ignored the post to begin with i might have been insulted.To bait you guys is like taking dead flys from blind spiders.
Mockery is the first line of defence for athiests it seems.They eventually all wind up on ignore when I grow tired of their childishness.
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Saying "not too intelligent" is unreasonably complimentary in this case. This guy must have dropped out of school in the middle of the 4th grade. He doesn't even know how to spell simple words like "flies," look at his comment about "dead flys."
And then here comes idiot number 2, the Jedi who spells "defence" in the British manner and rants against "athiests," a word he also doesn't know how to spell.
We're obviously dealing with semi-literate people who are subject to believing any of a number of mythologies, voodoo, mojo and black cats crossing your path. Even though they assume that they have an opinion about the nature of the universe, it's too much to expect them to understand anything about the actual scientific nature of the universe.
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Vicky,thanx for reading and commenting.
LOL,i was serious about the atheists and haters NOT commenting,but did you really think i would be surprised if you did?And then the weak retort and giving me flashbacks of english class....LOL!I guess you guys wanted to put a spell on me....LOL!!
May i suggest going on YouTube and viewing some Rodney Dangerfield videos so your insults might be humorous and NOT so preeeeeeeeeeediktabull!!
HAHA.
PS:If you ignored the post to begin with i might have been insulted.To bait you guys is like taking dead flys from blind spiders.
Mockery is the first line of defence for athiests it seems.They eventually all wind up on ignore when I grow tired of their childishness.
Critical thinking is childish??? The difference between child and adult: As a kid we believed that a fat man in a red suit from the north pole gave us presents if we were good. We believed that a tooth fairy traded our tooth for a dollar under our pillow as we slept. We believed a man was magically born, died for us, came back to life and walked on water. As we grew up and began to develop rational thinking skills we realized that these concepts were fun, but simply not true. So, you believe in a zombie... WHO is childish?
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I guess you guys wanted to put a spell on me....LOL!!
It's a bit late for that since someone, somewhere else, has obviously already cast an effective 'dumb-as-a-bag-of-sand' "spell" on you, (unless you come by your manifested dumbness naturally).
PS:If you ignored the post to begin with i might have been insulted.To bait you guys is like taking dead flys from blind spiders.
Your overt admission to trolling is duly-noted, xtian troll.
"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his (suspect) 'theory' that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."
-- H. L. Mencken
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Mockery is the first line of defence for athiests it seems.They eventually all wind up on ignore when I grow tired of their childishness.
On the contrary, according to previously submitted evidence, (archived), the procedure you've followed is to "ignore" by not ignoring, claim to ignore, (again, by continuing to post to that which you've claimed to ignore in a roundabout way), and then pretend you're ignoring again. The convolutions necessary to sustain blind faith are that of a 6.66-year old.
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So Queenie 5+4.....wanted to show you i can add at least.....I guess you must enjoy the company of those that arent intelligent by your standards?Didnt you know "Bad associations spoil useful habits"?
You must be a masochist.Truly a sucker for punishment.And zeriously,do you really think i give a rats *ss whether i misspell a word or make a typo blah blah?If you have to use that to make yourself shine.....you're dumber then you look.
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Sickmopi1501.....mymy...cant leave you out either.Comparing God with the tooth fairy and Santa.Tsk tsk.Sounds like you didnt have a pillow or a Xmas tree...let alone a bible.Anyway be a good boy this year and maybe Santa will bring you a book on the "Big Bang Theory"....Then you can chew on that for awhile!!
A bible has as much truth in it as a harry potter novel. Possibly less. At least with santa and the tooth fairy, most people have the sense to stop believing at some point.
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So Queenie 5+4.....wanted to show you i can add at least.....I guess you must enjoy the company of those that arent intelligent by your standards?Didnt you know "Bad associations spoil useful habits"?
You must be a masochist.Truly a sucker for punishment.And zeriously,do you really think i give a rats *ss whether i misspell a word or make a typo blah blah?If you have to use that to make yourself shine.....you're dumber then you look.
In addition to your infantile spelling, grammer and punctuation, you should have written, "dumber than you look." You're even too uneducated to spell a simple word like "than." How old are you, 5 or 6? I'm beginning to suspect that you're just some stupid kid who is on this forum just to annoy the adults. Perhaps you really are an adult who never got any education, or never had the capacity for any education. Are you that minimum wage guy who gives me my order at the local fast food place, are you the guy who towels off my car at the car wash, maybe the guy who collects shopping carts from the parking lot at the local supermarket?
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...and to add to all of that, where do you come up with a spelling of "zeriously?" Is this your misguided effort at some kind of linguistic creativity, or just another stupid mistake?
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So Queenie 5+4.....wanted to show you i can add at least.....
Using a calculator, I'm sure...it's like you know you can't spell and are insulting yourself here.
I guess you must enjoy the company of those that arent intelligent by your standards?
Obviously this is an underhanded attack against people like falcon, alaric and sig. Another math equation for you: 7 total people posting on this thread so far minus 3 dummies; what is the answer to this equation?? The result is the type of people I choose to associate with.
You must be a masochist.Truly a sucker for punishment.
And why is that? This accusation doesn't make sense.
do you really think i give a rats *ss whether i misspell a word or make a typo blah blah?
You should. It's more than misspelling "a" word and making "a" typo. If you can't formulate your thoughts properly via the English language, it shows that there are not many thoughts to formulate.
If you have to use that to make yourself shine.....you're dumber then you look.
It's not meant to make anyone "shine", but it does provide an easy, clear distinction between the types of people that one is dealing with.
P.S. Falcon ‐‐ Loved the "6.66‐year old"! ;D
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Sickmopi...first off you spelled grammer wrong...tsk tsk...naughty boy
Id be willing to bet you know squat about bible.Lets test you with some easy questions about it.
What year did Rome surround Jerusalem and then back off <retreat for no other reason?>
What did Jesus say to his followers when they saw this?
What year did Jerusalem fall to Rome?
There are actually 2 generals involved of the Roman army here but im not asking you that.If anyone knows that bonus question you get to tutor me for a day...LOL
IM running a bit late now but ill be back later to address your posts....so sit tight and relax till i show.OH..BTW Sick...i have to be fair here,i truly am impressed with your working of Fusion Cash.Good job.Instead of tutoring me on spelling etc,teach me how to earn like that...LOL.
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"Sickmopi" An apt discription!LOL.
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Sickmopi1501.....mymy...cant leave you out either.Comparing God with the tooth fairy and Santa.Tsk tsk.Sounds like you didnt have a pillow or a Xmas tree...let alone a bible.Anyway be a good boy this year and maybe Santa will bring you a book on the "Big Bang Theory"....Then you can chew on that for awhile!!
A bible has as much truth in it as a harry potter novel. Possibly less. At least with santa and the tooth fairy, most people have the sense to stop believing at some point.
Can you show some proof of this (underlined section?) :)
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I thought this looked like an interesting thread to read but I was wrong; just a bunch of name calling. ::)
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Sickmopi1501.....mymy...cant leave you out either.Comparing God with the tooth fairy and Santa.Tsk tsk.Sounds like you didnt have a pillow or a Xmas tree...let alone a bible.Anyway be a good boy this year and maybe Santa will bring you a book on the "Big Bang Theory"....Then you can chew on that for awhile!!
A bible has as much truth in it as a harry potter novel. Possibly less. At least with santa and the tooth fairy, most people have the sense to stop believing at some point.
Can you show some proof of this (underlined section?) :)
Of course he can't.It's obvious he's done no historical research whatsoever.
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Sickmopi1501.....mymy...cant leave you out either.Comparing God with the tooth fairy and Santa.Tsk tsk.Sounds like you didnt have a pillow or a Xmas tree...let alone a bible.Anyway be a good boy this year and maybe Santa will bring you a book on the "Big Bang Theory"....Then you can chew on that for awhile!!
A bible has as much truth in it as a harry potter novel. Possibly less. At least with santa and the tooth fairy, most people have the sense to stop believing at some point.
Can you show some proof of this (underlined section?) :)
Of course he can't.It's obvious he's done no historical research whatsoever.
The word "possibly" kind of gave that away...
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Sickmopi1501.....mymy...cant leave you out either.Comparing God with the tooth fairy and Santa.Tsk tsk.Sounds like you didnt have a pillow or a Xmas tree...let alone a bible.Anyway be a good boy this year and maybe Santa will bring you a book on the "Big Bang Theory"....Then you can chew on that for awhile!!
A bible has as much truth in it as a harry potter novel. Possibly less. At least with santa and the tooth fairy, most people have the sense to stop believing at some point.
Can you show some proof of this (underlined section?) :)
Of course he can't.It's obvious he's done no historical research whatsoever.
The word "possibly" kind of gave that away...
;D
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...first off you spelled grammer wrong...tsk tsk...
"gram·mar:
noun -
1. a. The study of how words and their component parts combine to form sentences."
Id be willing to bet you know squat about bible.
It's a better bet that you consider the third grade to be your 'senior year'.
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Fulcon...it was Allergic who spelled grammar wrong....pay attn.....
Allergic...you seem to be baffled to my age,occupation etc.Dont strain yourself thinking about it,the nation is weak enuff.
Queenie 10-1 <i can subtract too>.....try incorperating some perception when u read my posts.
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Fulcon...it was Allergic who spelled grammar wrong....pay attn.....
Look, "trailer-hitch", I'm aware of that and of the fact that you proceeded to spell it "grammer" when trying to correct him.
.....try incorperating some perception when u read my posts.
Conversely, others may try incorporating a redneck-fundie-to-English when reading your barely coherent trolling posts.
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So Queenie 5+4.....wanted to show you i can add at least.....
Using a calculator, I'm sure...it's like you know you can't spell and are insulting yourself here.
I guess you must enjoy the company of those that arent intelligent by your standards?
Obviously this is an underhanded attack against people like falcon, alaric and sig. Another math equation for you: 7 total people posting on this thread so far minus 3 dummies; what is the answer to this equation?? The result is the type of people I choose to associate with.
I wonder why the other xtian zealots haven't welcomed "hitch" with open arms as yet? Too representative of xtian fundamentalism?
You must be a masochist.Truly a sucker for punishment.
And why is that? This accusation doesn't make sense.
The "hitch" troll is tacitly admitting that he's here to 'flame' non-xtians and that, when others respond to his flame-posts, he gets to labor under the delusion that he's 'punishing'/flaming the respondents. It is standard trollish behavour on usenet and other forums for a "newbie" to come in, make belligerent fundie posts right off the bat, alter the 'nyms of those he's "flaming" and then keep trolling the forum.
do you really think i give a rats *ss whether i misspell a word or make a typo blah blah?
You should. It's more than misspelling "a" word and making "a" typo. If you can't formulate your thoughts properly via the English language, it shows that there are not many thoughts to formulate.
P.S. Falcon ‐‐ Loved the "6.66‐year old"! ;D
Thanks, QoN. It seemed a more subtle approach to his overt fundamentalism.
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Your book says that a guy was magically born, walked on water, and came back to life. Also, a guy lived comfortably in a whale's belly. But the word 'possibly' is where you draw the line at ridiculous?
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Sickmopi1501.....mymy...cant leave you out either.Comparing God with the tooth fairy and Santa.Tsk tsk.Sounds like you didnt have a pillow or a Xmas tree...let alone a bible.Anyway be a good boy this year and maybe Santa will bring you a book on the "Big Bang Theory"....Then you can chew on that for awhile!!
A bible has as much truth in it as a harry potter novel. Possibly less. At least with santa and the tooth fairy, most people have the sense to stop believing at some point.
Can you show some proof of this (underlined section?) :)
Um, a zombie, a sexless pregnancy, living in a whale.....
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Listen Sick...you could have all the proof Gods exists..it still wouldnt matter.You and many others dont wanna be accountable to Him.
That shows up even in the Bible...2 EX:
Moses saves the Israelites thru Gods parting the sea and later they still got punished for serving false gods.
The Jews shouted for Barbaras <a criminal>to be freed before Jesus.Why?Cos Jesus exposed their greed,sins etc.
Are you getting the point?
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...you could have all the proof Gods exists..it still wouldnt matter.
No such "proof" has ever been presented so, that's a non sequitur. The various "bibles" do not constitute proof, (being superstitious hearsay). No valid evidence has been presented to support the blind faith claim of such a supernatural egregore's existance.
You and many others dont wanna be accountable to Him.
No one is "accountable" to an invisible pink unicorn either. Get the point?
That shows up even in the Bible...
Such superstitious hearsay does not constitute "proof"/evidence since it is based upon religious beliefs alone, (belief without evidence is empty opinion).
Are you getting the point?
If the point is that you're simply, (very simply), a xtian fundamentalist who relies upon blind faith in lieu of evidence and an ability to reason then that point was obvious long ago.
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Falcon...barely coherent posts???LOL!!!
Seems like all of having no trouble responding to them...actually i think you all understand very well the double meanings behind my cleverness!!
I dont expect to get any credit from any of you posted.Its not important i see it because i know your thoughts.
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NO such proof......?LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLll
I understand you dont wanna be accountable.....we arent forced to serve God.Love wouldnt exist then.So i understand you arent grateful for being alive to him because its just not in you as demonstrated by the majority in the world.
Please see my point to Sick on Jews freeing Barabas...or better yet....READ IT!!
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...barely coherent posts???LOL!!!
Yes, since your posts oftentimes troll out-of-context, they're barely coherent.
i think...
That is a dubious claim which lacks substantiating evidence.
...you all understand very well the double meanings behind my cleverness!!
Mind-blinded xtian fundies are significantly less 'clever' than they falsely believe they actually are.
I dont expect to get any credit from any of you posted.Its not important i see it because i know your thoughts.
There's another example of a barely coherent post from you, fundie. The unsupported claim that you can "see" anything or "know" the thoughts of respondants is laughable and yet another unsubstantiated claim. That claim would fail any valid test, just as faith-based claims do.
“Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.”
--– Richard Dawkins
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NO such proof......?
Precisely.
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LOL.....and the more you disagree....the easier it is to read your mind...LOL
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LOL.....and the more you disagree....the easier it is to read your mind...LOL
"You're a loony!"
- Monty Python & The Holy Grail
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OK...ill show you compassion now so you can sleep tonight.
We will end todays session.
Eccl:8-9 Man has dominated himself to his own injury
Jeremiah-To earthling man his way doesnt belong.He is walking to direct even his own step.
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OK...ill show you compassion now so you can sleep tonight.
I sleep just fine since I don't labor under the self-delusions of a religious fundamentalist.
We will end todays session.
This isn't the sort of "session" you may believe it to be, sanctimonious fundie. It's simply a very simple-minded religious proselytizing thread which has been refuted at every turn, (mainly due to the complete lack of evidence and ability to reason on your part).
Eccl:8-9
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Sure Sure <yawn>
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Are you simply trolling?
Sure
Do your evangelistic proselytizing posts bore even yourself?
Sure <yawn>
I see. Yawning is also a reflexive act when the yawner's 'brain' isn't getting enough oxygen. You must yawn constantly.
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I dont wanna be rude and just leave you hanging cos i know ur just sitting there waiting for me to reply.....ru done?
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I dont wanna be rude
If that were true, you wouldn't be trolling with semi-coherent religious propaganda. Therefore, you have chosen to be "rude". Under auspices of the "golden rule", you're an :bootyshake: hole and are getting what is inherently wanted.
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There's an "ignore" button to the left of your screen; if you're "done" getting 'served', use it.
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Hitch, I'm not stubborn. I be lieve a god may exist. I do not believe jesus was his son. But if you have a youtube clip of him walking on water or a doctors affidavit that Mary was a virgin, or proof that a carpenter died and came back to life, or an explanation as to why it took over 100 years after Jesus death to be deemed "son of God", I'd take in the information with an open mind.
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But if you have a youtube clip of him walking on water ... I'd take in the information with an open mind.
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... not exactly a YouTube video ...
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Sig,i just wrote a long reply and somehow lost it..i really dont feel like writing it again but listen.You say you have an open mind?But yet you make it sound like "seeing is only believing"
Question for you.Have you ever read any material from Watchtower bible and tract society?If the answer is no would you consider reading any?
We will take this in baby steps first because i want to understand if its just the seeing is believing theory thing why you dont think a God exists.
If you have read material from WB&TS how did you view it and what did you read if you remember title of book etc.
Thanx,Anthony
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Vicky,thanx for reading and commenting.
LOL,i was serious about the atheists and haters NOT commenting,but did you really think i would be surprised if you did?And then the weak retort and giving me flashbacks of english class....LOL!I guess you guys wanted to put a spell on me....LOL!!
May i suggest going on YouTube and viewing some Rodney Dangerfield videos so your insults might be humorous and NOT so preeeeeeeeeeediktabull!!
HAHA.
PS:If you ignored the post to begin with i might have been insulted.To bait you guys is like taking dead flys from blind spiders.
Great job- They are so angry they cannot keep from responding. God is all knowing and He knows when we are going to fail Him but He is a God of free will. Thanks for the pondering.
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Allergic...you seem to be baffled to my age,occupation etc.Dont strain yourself thinking about it,the nation is weak enuff.
I like that."Allergic"--to the Truth perhaps? ;D
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Hitch, when it comes to a fairy tale like being magically born, I am a seeing is believing guy.
Basically explain first why It took a hundred years after he was gone to be deemed son of god?
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They are so angry they cannot keep from responding.
It's not "anger"; it's more of an annoyed exasperation concerning the extent of the self-deception necessary for you fundies to be as mind-blind as you manifestly are. On the hand, perhaps you're merely projecting your own "anger" onto those who question your blind faith because you are terrified of questioning it.
God is all knowing and He knows when we are going to fail Him but He is a God of free will.
The "... going to fail him ..." part reveals fear and lack of backbone of terrified fundie sheep.
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Question for you.Have you ever read any material from Watchtower bible and tract society?If the answer is no would you consider reading any?
Another Snakeoil salesman that goes door to door. Everyone just remember that this user comes from a cult that thinks this is a great lesson for kids-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PynliB5TV9U
I highly recommend everyone watch it.
If you have read material from WB&TS how did you view it and what did you read if you remember title of book etc.
Oh I have read plenty from your sources. Your cult was formed by a fraud who lied and took advantage of innocent people. The followers sold their homes and gave away all their money multiple times because they were promised that the world was coming to an end (5 times in the 20th century if I recall? I might be off by 1 or 2). Your entire belief system was founded on false prophecy and your "ricer bible" is deemed as one of the poorest translations in history by the vast majority of biblical scholars (I'm sure you will sport the "No! They're wrong! Mine is right!" response). Your extreme bias beliefs have no merit whatsoever. I wish you luck you attempt to refute these basic facts. I'd recommend eating some of that Miracle Wheat Russel's selling down the road before you do. It just might help.
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Sig,i want you to know every answer i give you is based on Bible scripture.If you are going to trash bible then there is no sense in me trying to answer you.But i guess we will see.
OK the seeing is believing stuff....We dont see radio waves,gravity the wind etc.We know they exist.You look at your computer.It had intelligent design.How much more the way a human is wonderfully made?How in order the vast universe is?Reasons to believe thee is intelligent design with these.
Im not sure where u are getting it took 100 years to prove Jesus was Gods son.At his death if you remember a Roman soldier said "this was Gods son".Many knew Jesus was Gods sons from prior prophecy and Jesus the way he taught and his miracles proved he was Divine.
I didnt read all the posts yet,just your first 1.You never answered me on reading any literature from WTBTS.
Also,Jehovahs people are in over 250 lands warning that this satanic system will soon end with its dying and greedy spirit.Do you think they are preaching Gods kingdom <government>in vain?
Anthony
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... every answer i give you is based on Bible scripture.If you are going to trash bible then there is no sense in me trying to answer you.
"There is a story, which is fairly well known, about when the missionaries came to Africa. They had the Bible and we, the natives, had the land. They said "Let us pray," and we dutifully shut our eyes. When we opened them, why, they now had the land and we had the Bible."
~Desmond M. Tutu, "Religious Human Rights and the Bible"
"The word 'God' is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can change this."
-- Albert Einstein
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Wow you guys are brutal!!!! You act like a person who can't spell also can't think !! So come off you high horses already and try to "get" someones message. :BangHead:
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Falcone....the bible says NO ONE but the father knows the end of this system of things.NOT even Jesus knew.SO just because 1 claimed to be a JW doesnt mean he couldnt be a traitor.REMEMBER Judas!!1 of 12 selected to be Jesus follower but even he betrayed him.
Jehovah sees the heart condition of all of us.Bible says he knows our heart better then we do.Let him be the judge of where everyone stands.
And remember,God forces no one to serve him as ive said many times,otherwise love wouldnt exist.
Its hard to comprehend God has feelings,but there it is in the bible right before the flood.He saw how wicked the earth had become <like our day now>and He was hurt at heart.By explaining that it makes it easier to see when we obey and truly love and are grateful for what he has done for the human race...his heart would be GLAD!!
And why is HE the universal sovereign?Revelation 4:11 explains if u care to read it.
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Wow you guys are brutal!!!! You act like a person who can't spell also can't think !! So come off you high horses already and try to "get" someones message. :BangHead:
The "message" is one of proselytizing evangelism promoting superstitious religious nonsense. This is only peripherally-related to poor grammar and such on the part of the 'messenger' insofar as reflecting a diminished capacity to reason.
"History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it."
-- Robert Heinlein
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Falcone...
Since you insist; it's "falcon9", 'trailer-hitch' troll.
the bible says ...
Superstitious religious hearsay says it all.
"The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on nothing; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing."
--Thomas Paine, in The Age Of Reason
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Falconeiinsist..ive been to enuff meetings,assemblys etc to KNOW Jehovahs people are Gods true followers.They have love among themselves and speak truth.
Dont speak on something you know nothing about.Im sure you have NEVER been to a meeting of theirs.
Fall back on your words of wisdom from dying men.
And stop treating my posts like they were blood and you are a shark.I know you cant resist getting involved answering my posts but im warning you,change it up or you will go on ignore cos there are plenty of others <as you see>that have my back.
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ive been to enuff meetings,assemblys etc to KNOW Jehovahs people are Gods true followers.
Then you've been to enough meetings, assemblies, etc. to have a will weak enough to be indoctrinated by mindless religious propaganda.
Dont speak on something you know nothing about.Im sure you have NEVER been to a meeting of theirs.
Don't presume that trying to tell me what to do will cause me to do it, fundie. I'm aware of such evangelistic religious propaganda and oppose it for what it is - irrational superstition.
Fall back on your words of wisdom from dying men.
I don't rely upon the hearsay-source of your "bible(s)", written by superstitious dead guys. You do, fundie troll.
And stop treating my posts like they were blood and you are a shark.I know you cant resist getting involved answering my posts but im warning you,change it up or you will go on ignore cos there are plenty of others <as you see>that have my back.
I highly recommend that you use FC's ignore function, due to your utterly-complete inability to debate or discuss, (instead of evangelizing/propagandizing/regurgitating superstitious nonsense). Your "warning" is meaningless since you over-estimate yourself in sanctimonious self-righteousness and are reduced to ineffectively trying to tell others what to do. Kiss this :bootyshake:
"He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave."
-- William Drummond
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Falconeiinsist..ive been to enuff meetings,assemblys etc to KNOW Jehovahs people are Gods true followers.They have love among themselves and speak truth.
That explains the massive amounts of younger people constantly leaving the cult I suppose? How can a cult that practices high-control-group and bullying tactics be 'loving'? How come the world never ended in 1914 (or any of the predicted dates)? How come Russel was trying to intigrate Pyramidology into the bible? Your beliefs are not based on truth.
Dont speak on something you know nothing about.Im sure you have NEVER been to a meeting of theirs.
Well I guess this demonstrates your reasoning skills. I unfortunately grew up as one. You know how I figured out it was completely false? I took my head out of the sand and did some research on the cult. I know all about your beliefs. Probably more than you do!
And stop treating my posts like they were blood and you are a shark.I know you cant resist getting involved answering my posts but im warning you,change it up or you will go on ignore cos there are plenty of others <as you see>that have my back.
I wouldn't be surprised if you did close your eyes and cover your ears when facing the truth that your cult is based upon fraud. I would completely understand too-- the truth is painful sometimes.
May Sparlock the Warrior Wizard be with you.
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Hitch, if there is a finite number of people getting into heaven why on earth would you recruit competition?
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Falconer02, if you would have been less aggressive hitch was gonna try and recruit me. You may have cost me a seat in the kingdom hall. Without windows.
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What are hitch's favorite type of jokes? Anyone? Anyone?....
KNOCK KNOCK jokes!
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OK, he's one of those even more confused and gullible individuals than the standard christian, a Jehovah's witless, well that explains a lot. Incidentally, there was never any "Jehovah" mentioned in the bible, it's a mistranslation of the Old Hebraic form of YHWH. It's actually the German version translated from Latin and pronounced "Yehofah." I know this because I also speak fluent German, ich spreche fliessend deutsch.
How many languages do you speak, Hitch? Never mind answering, we've already established the fact that you don't even have a basic command of the English language. Of course, you're the perfect kind of candidate for recruitment as a Jehovah's witless.
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Truthfully.....i could care less if you wanna trash me.My *rap stinks as much as the next guy.
Even tho it means NOTHING to some of you,i will defend the organization because of what i have been taught and also the love i have been shown.
Im not going to apologize for having knowledge of the bible.Again you can trash me all you want...i will defend Gods organization tho.
Sig....not sure what you are asking.....144,000 rule with Jesus in heaven and make up governing body.Bible refers to them as small flock.Larger flock is living on earth forever in paradise <Gods original purpose>The name Jehovah means...He causes to become.
His purpose will NOT be thwarted by Satans influence and rebellion of man in Eden.Never again time will be needed to prove that Man has dominated himself to his own injury.So eat,drink and be merry for tomorrow we die is your bumper sticker and remember The fool says there is no Jehovah.
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Allergic....Psalms 83:18 gives Gods name in ANY bible.
Not sure why i even told you.You probably dont know how to use it.
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"My *rap stinks as much as the next guy." What a thoroughly eloquent affirmation of your ignorance and lack of understanding, this is a confession of your inadequacies on a open forum. Could you clarify that for me? "I'm just as stupid as most other people around me." - or is it - "I'm just as uneducated as the next guy?" Maybe you mean both of those statements?
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Falcon2...so whats the big deal you were a JW??Satan was a beautiful angel too and didnt stand fast in the truth either.
Each one is drawn out by his own desire and when the desire has become fertile it becomes a sin.Penalty of sin is death.
You want your independence from being accountable to a Creator like most of the world does.What else is new?<HO HUM>!!
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Allergic....youve already defined it...why do you bother asking ....<achoo>
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OK, I'll accept that as an affirmation.
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Falcon9...Tell you what to do cos i think you will do it??LOL!!!
Even i know id have a better chance recruiting a prostitute to run a "Help us cure AIDS"campaign!!
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Hitch, if there is a finite number of people getting into heaven why on earth would you recruit competition?
That actually was extremely funny! But I gotta ruin it now with my damned KNOWLEDGE of this cult that has been scarred on my brain. Even though they believe 144,000 people only get into cloud city, after Armageddon everyone is resurrected and lives forever. But apparently Satan comes back after a 1000 years on a paradise earth and tantalizes people for no reason and then the people who join him dont live forever.
I actually knew a guy who was one of these so-called 144,000. :confused1: If you (or anyone) have anymore q's about this church, I'll gladly answer them.
Falconer02, if you would have been less aggressive hitch was gonna try and recruit me. You may have cost me a seat in the kingdom hall. Without windows.
That's pretty much how I viewed it growing up. Seriously, what kind of group thinks bringing 5 year olds to an in-depth bible study is a good idea? I would highly recommend you go atleast once to see how odd it is. There was always an awkward sense of self-righteousness at every corner. Even as a kid I saw it in each 'mature' (aged) individual. I just didn't know what it was at the time, but as I got older I realized how negative and skewed these people truly were. They have this strange viewpoint that they're part of this remarkable club that can do no wrong. And you know what happens when you do point out something that's wrong? This-
You want your independence from being accountable to a Creator like most of the world does.What else is new
I have my independence. Look at me flaunt my independence-
http://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses-and-their-many-false-prophecies
Your church is based on fraud and false prophecies.
Falcon2...so whats the big deal you were a JW??Satan was a beautiful angel too and didnt stand fast in the truth either.
You didn't answer my questions from earlier. It would seem as if you are being more like this demon character than I am seeing how I'm speaking the truth and you have not refuted any claims.
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Falcon9...
Even i know id have a better chance recruiting a prostitute ...
Isn't it your specious mythology which suggested that "Mary Magdalene" was a prostitute, (which might further suggest that 'hay-suse' was a "john")? Regardless, such religious mythology is based upon hearsay, not evidence, (which applies to the entire xtian religion and off-shoot cults such as the jw's). "Faith" is not evidence, it's a synonym for "belief" in spite of a lack of evidence. Therefore, faith/belief is an inherently irrational position to hold. It would be like asking you if 'you still beat your wife?', (presuming that you don't), or making any false accusation without providing substantiating evidence to back it up. Would you prefer that someone be able to accuse you of embezzlement, based entirely upon their 'belief' alone that you embezzled, (sans any supporting evidence of such an accusation)?
The bottomline is that empty/blind faith is an insufficient basis to just take someone's 'word' for it, just as an empty allegation is a false accusation if there is no evidence to substantiate it. The conclusion that faith/belief is an inherently irrational position is logically valid because the inverse, ('faith/belief is rational'), is not logical. This premise and the conclusion stemming from it invalidates any specious religious argument which rests upon an inherently irrational faith/belief basis.
"If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people"
-- Hugh Laurie (Gregory House)
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Wow you guys are brutal!!!! You act like a person who can't spell also can't think !!
Not in all cases, but in many of them, yes.
Hitch, I think you will get along swimmingly with teflonfanatic (another JW fundie).
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Falcon2...if you were a JW,from what u write here it looks like when u went to the meetings you didnt pay attn.
After Armageddon everyone isnt resurrected.
After Satan is loosed after 1000 yrs why do you think God permits that?People <unrighteous & righteous>resurrected will be given a chance to decide if they wanna serve God or not.Bible says Satan brings down as many as the sands of the sea.
JWs are imperfect people also.We all inherited sin from Adam.The apostels argued who was the greatest among themselves.Jesus rebuked them.
Why dont you try looking up the word discernment and grasp what it means?
And as far as 5 yr olds going to the meetings...Jesus was all for teaching the children.My boy....you get an F- for what u learned.
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Falcon2...if you were a JW,from what u write here it looks like when u went to the meetings you didnt pay attn.
Actually I did. And that's why I'm not a JW anymore. It takes a very weak-minded person to fall for this type of belief. Again, your belief system is built upon fraud and false prophecies, so why would I even care if I didn't get the technicalities right? It's like saying I failed to make the same magical alchemy potion you did when I know magical alchemy is pseudoscience. I find it rather fascinating that you are focusing on the needless technicalities and not the glaring problems with the origins of your church. Perhaps you should read Zechariah 13:3 and see what the bible says about false prophets.
After Satan is loosed after 1000 yrs why do you think God permits that?People <unrighteous & righteous>resurrected will be given a chance to decide if they wanna serve God or not.Bible says Satan brings down as many as the sands of the sea.
Please explain to me why a god, who apparently loves mankind, would let the evil original antagonist loose on mankind again. Explain how that's not malevolence. This is of course after you explain how your beliefs aren't built upon false prophecies.
JWs are imperfect people also.
And you preaching here is only strengthening this quoted sentence. Stop avoiding the obvious problems I keep bringing up. It will help defuse this.
And as far as 5 yr olds going to the meetings...Jesus was all for teaching the children.My boy....you get an F- for what u learned.
I don't recall hearing Jesus forcing 5-year-old kids to sit down every tuesday, thursday, saturday, and sunday for 1-3 hours each time and study ancient wordy mythology against their will. Perhaps you could enlighten me on the part where that happened? Or do I receive a failing grade "just cuz"?
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So Falconer02 what are your beliefs now?Do you believe in God or the bible?
Or do you just disagree with the way God has handled things?
I wanna ask you where would mankind be if God had destroyed A&E immediately if you believe bible to be truth.I am trying to figure out if you have a problem with Gods organization or just the bible in general.It seems to me you dont agree with Gods handling of situation EX:Him loosing Satan.
There is also NOTHING wrong teaching a child truth.Scripture backs it up completely...but ahhhhhhh...back to sq 1.If you dont agree with biblewhat good is telling you that.I use scripture to defend the truth.You guys use mens doctrines and your independent attitudes.
And i am sure this post will be blood and the sharks will follow.I am speaking to you.I really hope they stay away.I have had enuff of their *rap.Im not here to debate or recruit many that are here for their own rewards.
And before i forget..SIG....i realize Allergic,Queenie and the other bird are watching if you got too chummy with me...phony.I am surprised you admitted God might exist.
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There is also NOTHING wrong teaching a child truth.Scripture backs it up completely...
That's a circular, (and therefore, false), 'justification' for brain-washing the very young. I remain in strong opposition to the religious brain-washing of young people and consider it a form of child abuse.
I really hope they stay away.I have had enuff of their *rap.Im not here to debate or recruit many ...
If you're not in the Debate + Discuss subforum to debate and discuss, then your evangelizing is intended to "recruit", (in line with the insidious policy of your particular religious cult). 'Somehow', it never seems to occur to you fundie religious fanatics that others can & do find your "crap" as obnoxious and santimonious as any judeo-xtian religious proselytizing.
"The fundamentalists, by 'knowing' the answers before they start, and then forcing nature into the straitjacket of their discredited preconceptions, lie outside the domain of science --or any honest intellectual inquiry."
-- Stephen J. Gould
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So Falconer02 what are your beliefs now?Do you believe in God or the bible?
I do not. I believe the proper terminology for myself would be "agnostic-atheist" a la one who knows there's no logical argument for defined gods and therefore finds it pointless to blindly follow any of them. That's not to say I'm unwilling to change my point-of-view. If the evidence presented itself in a fair and realistic manner (for instance Zues coming down and throwing lightning), I'd willingly admit I was incorrect on the matter of deities.
Or do you just disagree with the way God has handled things?
I think anyone who has read the bible with an open mind should know that the Abrahamic god defies all immoral behavior. He did a pretty shabby job of putting things together too.
"I'll make the earth for the humans! 70% salt water! Ever-shifting plate tectonics! Dangerous sunrays! Desertification! They'll fit right in!"
I wanna ask you where would mankind be if God had destroyed A&E immediately if you believe bible to be truth.I am trying to figure out if you have a problem with Gods organization or just the bible in general.It seems to me you dont agree with Gods handling of situation EX:Him loosing Satan.
I think everyone should have a problem with a god who gets mad at his creations for petty and illogical things-- especially those that this god malevolently created. A+E didn't have the knowledge of right and wrong, ate the fruit, got punished, and then were given the knowledge of right and wrong by the god. Talk about stacking the deck! And I also have problems with 'organizations' that hover over problems like they don't exist (such as your own-- you still haven't touched my previous questions about the fraud).
There is also NOTHING wrong teaching a child truth.Scripture backs it up completely...but ahhhhhhh...back to sq 1.If you dont agree with biblewhat good is telling you that.I use scripture to defend the truth.You guys use mens doctrines and your independent attitudes.
Alright. I'll go with those evil doctrines and attitudes like the United States Department of Health and Human Services which studies and constantly attempts to prevent child abuse. You can go with your ancient bible which tells you to murder your kids (Deuteronomy 21:18-21).
I will agree with you and say that there's nothing wrong with teaching a child truth (given normal non-threatening situations). However since you now have the potential to research your own religion and find the problems I have already discussed, it would be very hypocritical of you to continue teaching any children that your beliefs are 'truth'. Unless of course you can refute the past claims I have made...
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Falcon9...there is a difference to me between debate and discuss.I have knowledge of the bible and have been taught and i still have questions why etc God might have done things.
Debate brings into account a personal satisfaction trying to be right.Jesus said the Pharissees liked being seen praying and thus by doing so they got their reward.The bible says to walk with Jehovah modestly.
Im far from perfect and i react to my perception of what others write.And i might get out of line at times too.I dont have a problem discussing the matter as a gentleman.But my spontaneity and perception make me react.I will defend Gods organization more so then defend myself because i feel i owe them that at least.We can clown around and try to be clever and witty which in itself i enjoy doing but again i am not going to apologize for having knowledge.
If i have a different opinion of the matter as you do id like to get into the whys and hows without slinging mud,but when right away you correct my spelling and writing a sentence you draw first blood and my defenses go up and we turn this into a mud slinging war instead of a discussion.
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Falcon2,again i am gonna try to use bible to answer some of your posts.
A&E were created and put into a paradise.They were NOT deprived of anything.God had every right to test their love and loyalty to them.He told them of consequence if the dis-obeyed.Satan made it sound like God was holding somthing back.Hence Eve let her selfish heart get the best of her and sinned.Adam followed,NOT that he was deceived but he obviously loved Even more then God.And of course Satan wanted to be a god himself and thats why he sinned too.
The devil raised many questions in Eden and then again in Job.
Remember God told Adam,"cursed is the ground on your account"And the bible says God will bring to ruin those ruining the earth.
I hate global warming now.I know its because of pollution which God cannot be blamed for.
Read Rev 4:11....without God we wouldnt exist.Doesnt he deserve some credit?And then after A&E sinned he put into a plan that would save mankind otherwise we would die.He went so far to see his son Jesus sacrificed and treated like a criminal.And of course Jesus deserves kudos too for doing what he did and remember he also did it to Vindicate Jehovah as the TRUE God.
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LOL...before its brought up...i see many typos in my post....PLEASE FORGIVE ME!!!
Hopefully when i wrote Even you know i meant Eve....or i meant to say him instead of them after i just re-read it but i guess im lazy to proof read before i hit send.
Just trying to stay ahead of some.
Doing my part to prevent the mud slinging.
Again it all comes down to whether you wanna take bible as truth or not.We can discuss this and if you feel bible isnt truth you are entitled to feel that way.But some come out with this "magical guy in the sky"stuff that is an insult to the one presenting it.Let your yes mean yes and no mean no.It really is that simple.
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Falcon9...there is a difference to me between debate and discuss.I have knowledge of the bible and have been taught
There's also a difference between debating and religious pontification; between discussion and simplistic evangelizing. For me, this is not some theological discussion about how many hypothetical 'angels can dance on the heads of pins'. Knowledge of religious hearsay has almost no value beyond an academic analysis of the basis of self-deception, (what the religious adherents call "faith/belief").
This is an FC d+d forum, not an exclusive platform for religious proselytization.
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A&E were created and put into a paradise.They were NOT deprived of anything.God had every right to test their love and loyalty to them.He told them of consequence if the dis-obeyed.Satan made it sound like God was holding somthing back.Hence Eve let her selfish heart get the best of her and sinned.Adam followed,NOT that he was deceived but he obviously loved Even more then God.And of course Satan wanted to be a god himself and thats why he sinned too.
1.) They were deprived of the knowledge of right and wrong. They were only given it after they made the mistake set there by the malevolent god. It says this in the bible. If you don't think that's unfair, you were obviously never given the knowledge of right and wrong! lol
2.) You're discussing a story that has a magical talking snake in it. Think about that.
The devil raised many questions in Eden and then again in Job.
Are you saying questioning things is a bad thing? I'd highly recommend avoiding the Job myth in this discussion unless you want proof that your god is evil. You have been warned!
hate global warming now.I know its because of pollution which God cannot be blamed for.
What about the things I already brought up? Plate tectonics, desertification, volcanoes, hurricanes, etc. these have been happening forever and cannot be blames on us. What about Tunguska? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska_event
without God we wouldnt exist.Doesnt he deserve some credit?And then after A&E sinned he put into a plan that would save mankind otherwise we would die.He went so far to see his son Jesus sacrificed and treated like a criminal.And of course Jesus deserves kudos too for doing what he did and remember he also did it to Vindicate Jehovah as the TRUE God.
I already brought up basic things that could improve mankinds existence exponentially. The fact that you hovered over it is peculiar. Besides, how do you know your specific god did all this? Because the bible told you so? That's circular logic and therefore is furthest from a sound argument. Might I bring up AGAIN that you've completely avoided my original questions which now shows that you're hiding something. I think we can all conclude you just are afraid to confront the actual truth of the matters and admit that your religion has a ton of faults.
He went so far to see his son Jesus sacrificed and treated like a criminal
If this Jesus story is true, why do so many other characters through history (many of which happened way before the Jesus myth) share his same story?
http://department.monm.edu/classics/courses/clas230/mythdocuments/heropattern/default.htm
Again it all comes down to whether you wanna take bible as truth or not.We can discuss this and if you feel bible isnt truth you are entitled to feel that way.
I think it comes down to if one wants to do some actual history surrounding your religion or not. You seem to be avoiding that at all costs which shows an extreme weakness. Is it because you'd rather not know the truth? Is it because you do know the major flaws and just don't want to discuss them? Please stop cherry-picking what you want to respond to and face my original questions.
But some come out with this "magical guy in the sky"stuff that is an insult to the one presenting it.
I apologize. Perhaps you'd like a more biblically-accurate description of your genocidal child-killing plague-infesting jealous paranoid-schizophrenic god?
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Falcon2...sorry but i am not hiding anything.
All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.The human race is imperfect.INCLUDING Gods people.
Obviously you dont agree with how God has handled the situation when you wanna believe God exists.You dont agree that HIM warning A&E was enuff for them to test their fate after Satan deceived Eve.You dont wanna agree cursed is the ground on your account and mans pollution is enuff for volcanoes etc.And Remember,sinning also deprived mankind of Gods protection.
Do you have children?What would they think if you warned them of something and you said you would discipline them if they dis-obeyed and then you didnt follow thru?
The universe and the earth belong to Jehovah.He decides with the best interest for his creation what is right.Yet we have freedom of choice.You wanna live forever and NOT acknowledge that.Again thats Satans argument in Eden.Independence.Take a look at the earth and tell me its bbeen a success.
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And then people get upset with Gods allowence of wickedness.Why didnt he stop this war etc?Time was needed for proof of ALL time so this will never be questioned again.NO ONE can ever question God and say we can rule ourselves better without your help.6000 years of death,greed,wickedness etc is there for proof that "Man has dominated himself to his own injury"
Many governments have been tried by man.....many world powers starting with Egpyt.....ALL FAIL!!
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NO ONE can ever question God
I question those who make such religious claims and never produce any attributable evidence to back them up. These are merely specious religious beliefs which have no bearing upon experential reality. I'd question 'g-d' directly but, his number was never in service at any time -
all anyone really gets is the faith-blinded answering service and they're winging it with their empty religious opinions, are unable to take a message and voice-mail, ("prayer rituals"), land in an empty mailbox, (the self-deception of the 'true believer').
"Religions vary in their degree of idiocy, but I reject them all. For most people, religion is nothing more than a substitute for a malfunctioning brain." - Gene Roddenberry
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WOW! THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY BESIDES HOW CAN THE SPEAKING OF RELIGION CAUSE SUCH TROUBLE?
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Falcon2...sorry but i am not hiding anything.
Then why haven't you touched my original questions about your religion!? Why are you not acknowledging the obviouis problems I've brought up!? I'm rather enjoying your ignorance of the problems. Rather nostalgic, really.
Obviously you dont agree with how God has handled the situation when you wanna believe God exists.
I really have no desire to believe any god exists. I am very happy that your own defined god does not exist. Even if he did, I would find it immoral to worship such a horrific monster.
You dont agree that HIM warning A&E was enuff for them to test their fate after Satan deceived Eve.You dont wanna agree cursed is the ground on your account and mans pollution is enuff for volcanoes etc.And Remember,sinning also deprived mankind of Gods protection.
What are you talking about? How can you warn someone of a wrong choice when they don't have the knowledge of right from wrong? Are you saying pollution causes volcanoes? Because I regret to inform you that volcanoes have been happening well before we existed. Even volcanoes can cause what we deem dangerous pollutants.
Do you have children?What would they think if you warned them of something and you said you would discipline them if they dis-obeyed and then you didnt follow thru?
Well I'd make sure they were educated on the matter before hand-- that's always the sign of a good parent. And if I knew (like an omnipotent god can) that they would disobey me, I'd make sure to stop them from the error as not doing so would be uncaring and malevolent. If they still disobeyed afterwards, I wouldn't send them to their rooms for the rest of their lives suffering either. A slap on the wrist and a quick explanation of what was wrong with the choice would be more logical and loving.
The universe and the earth belong to Jehovah.He decides with the best interest for his creation what is right.Yet we have freedom of choice.You wanna live forever and NOT acknowledge that.Again thats Satans argument in Eden.Independence.Take a look at the earth and tell me its bbeen a success.
Please explain how an omnipotent god who knows past, present, and future allows for free will when he already knows the choices we will make before we make them. And how is "Obey me or suffer" a free will statement? That's coersion. The earth has it's fair share of problems, but we're doing pretty good compared to the past. We're living longer, we have better morals, we can fly with technology, we can communicate across the planet in a matter of seconds, we're exploring space, we're erradicating diseases and handicaps, etc. Hell, we walked on the moon! Those are amazing successes! I'd rather be positive than negative of my existence and push for more successes. Obviously you walk as though you're a plague of this world. Have fun with that.
NO ONE can ever question God and say we can rule ourselves better without your help
We have though. I've already shown how. Isn't it strange that this country has done so well with an emphasis of freedom of and from religion? Perhaps you should reread Deuteronomy and Leviticus and then try saying this quote with a straight face.
Many governments have been tried by man.....many world powers starting with Egpyt.....ALL FAIL!!
I highly recommend you study the Dark Ages. Worst time in human history pretty much. 1/3 of the planet died from a plague. And you know who ruled? A Christian theocracy.
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The Earth is only 6,000 years old
Carbon dating has been shown to be inaccurate (by Growing Pains own Mike Seaver aka Kirk Cameron)
God put Dinosaur bones in the ground, then aged them to test our faith.
Sound about right hitch?
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Of course that would sound right to a 3rd grader like hitch, but it doesn't "sound about right" for anybody who has even the most basic education in science.
Meanwhile hitch is talking about "many world powers starting with Egpyt." I guess he might mean "Egypt," but Egypt wasn't a world power, although it was imperial in the nature of its control over other territories in that part of the world. In any case, there were several empires before Egypt, some of those are even mentioned in the bible.
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Incidentally, you talk about 6000 years since creation, while at the same time the bible talks about generations of characters like Methusela living for almost 1000 years. How can you explain such a discrepancy? Next you'll be telling me that Jesus drove around in a Model-T Ford. Try to explain that math to me, idiot....
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Falcon2...i thought i addressed what u keep saying i avoid by saying All sin and fall short of God.Including Gods people.I apologize if i am missing something else.
If Jehovah knew the future all the time then that would mean he couldnt control it.HE CHOOSES WHEN TO KNOW and in fairness to his creation when NOT to know.He chose NOT to know mankind would sin.Why would he bother warning him penalty of sin was death...THAT A&E understood.
Dont say A&E didnt know right from wrong.Eve told Satan "God said we would die".....Satan said,you positively will not die but be like God knowing good and bad
Look there is no sense in continuing this.You claim to have known the bible and you dont even know something this basic in Genesis.
Why are we discussing bible?You always go back to sq 1.....man ur fickle.
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Sick......pay attn......mankind is 6000 yrs old...NOT the creation.Now i really see why the mud-slinging starts.
You guys are stupid!!!
Falcon DOESNT get it about God being able to choose the future or NOT.You paid attn at those meetings like Rip Van Winkle being interested in the Late show.
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Man was created on the 6th creative day.Did i stutter?
Man was created on the 6th creative day....
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth......I NEVER said the earth was 6000 yrs old.....MAN IS!!!Did i stutter????
You guys are stupid....Did i stutter????
Each creative day was thousands of yrs long.They had to be to see light NOW from stars that were 1000s of light yrs away....DID i stutter???
And Allergic...so who was the first world power then?DUHHHHH...the bible happens to be a history book too...did i stutter?
It amazes me how 1 can argue and be soooooo stupid.
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Did i stutter?
Did i stutter????
Did i stutter????
DID i stutter???
...did i stutter?
It amazes me how I can argue and be soooooo stupid.
It may amaze you however, others aren't very surprised.
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Falcon2...i thought i addressed what u keep saying i avoid by saying All sin and fall short of God.Including Gods people.
So you're saying that the creator(s) of your religion are imperfect and fall short, and therefore (given the easy-to-find evidence) that it was built upon fraud. Then it is not the truth. Therefore JW's do not preach the truth. And since the bible says to avoid false prophets (actually it says to kill them...), you are not part of the Abrahamic religions but a spin-off cult.
If Jehovah knew the future all the time then that would mean he couldnt control it.HE CHOOSES WHEN TO KNOW and in fairness to his creation when NOT to know.He chose NOT to know mankind would sin.Why would he bother warning him penalty of sin was death...THAT A&E understood.
Where in the bible does it say god can 'turn off his omnipotence'? Unless you can quote those scriptures, you'll have to admit that you're simply making up his super-powers.
Dont say A&E didnt know right from wrong.Eve told Satan "God said we would die".....Satan said,you positively will not die but be like God knowing good and bad
But, again, that's not what the bible says. Quoting someone does not automatically mean you know the right or wrong choice. It's like telling a child not to stick a fork in an outlet or he'll be electricuted. He has no knowledge of electricity and therefore has no idea of the consequence. It specifically states in the bible that god gave them the knowledge AFTER they failed, so you're still stuck with the burden of proving this god is not malevolent.
Look there is no sense in continuing this.You claim to have known the bible and you dont even know something this basic in Genesis.
And yet here I am explaining precisely what the bible says to you, and you are cherry-picking and stating things it does not say.
Why are we discussing bible?You always go back to sq 1.....man ur fickle.
Because you keep bringing it up.
mankind is 6000 yrs old...NOT the creation
Mankind is much older than 6000 years. Anyone who passed elementary school knows this.
Falcon DOESNT get it about God being able to choose the future or NOT.You paid attn at those meetings like Rip Van Winkle being interested in the Late show.
You sling mud, but completely fail to explain or quote how an omnipotent god can not have the knowledge of the future.
Each creative day was thousands of yrs long.They had to be to see light NOW from stars that were 1000s of light yrs away....DID i stutter???
Let's trust a book that says light was created before the light sources. ::)
...so who was the first world power then?DUHHHHH...the bible happens to be a history book too...did i stutter?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_powers
You guys are stupid!!!
This is a picture-perfect example of a Jehovah's Witness, fellow Fusioncash users. Take a note.
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OK, I've read (mythological) accounts that claim the earth is only 6000 years old.
Let's accept the revised verion of hitch that the 6000 years only refers to the time of man, it still makes no sense at all. If Jesus lived about 2000 years ago, then you have to subtract 2000 from 6000, now you have 4000 years left to explain all of human time before Jesus. Now you have 4000 years to explain the time of Adam and Eve and the generations up to Methuselah and beyond, most of which lived for almost 1000 years. Then you have Noah, Moses and all the rest of the old testament history up to the year zero. It just doesn't work out any way mathematically, no matter how you play with the numbers. Only a complete idiot would accept the reality of such a chronology.
(Hitch, if the math above is too complicated for you, I'll be happy to try to explain it to you in more simple terms.)
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Once again, Egypt wasn't the first empire. Hitch, you called Egypt a "world power." What does "world power" mean in biblical times, did they have some colonies in North or South America, maybe in Australia? I still claim that Egypt was simply an early empire, hitch, can you name any other empires besides Egypt before or during the time of Egypt? It's an "open book" question and you have extra time, because we all know you're a little slow.
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Allergic.The WB&TS has a book called "Reasoning from the scriptures"as well as many other biblical publications.
You put NO credibility in what i write or me explaining bible.If you sincerly want answers to those questions <which im sure u dont>I suggest picking up copies of those books.You wont have to go in your piggy bank im sure.
This much i will say.Why is it so hard for 4000 years to have gone by from Jesus to Adam?The bible even gives you the generations.If you notice in Moses day God told mankind he wouldnt live past 120 yrs.
Ill bet you cant even figure out why there was no incest in earlier times or why man lived longer.
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I wanna ask you where would mankind be if God had destroyed A&E immediately if you believe bible to be truth.
There are multiple errors in this line of thinking. First of all, the whole "forbidden fruit" scenario is immensely illogical. You can't put a baby in a playpen and give it a gun and say, "Don't play with that!" and expect it to know any better, but that's essentially what your god did. Adam and Eve were completely clueless about the concept of good versus evil until after they ate the apple; therefore, they didn't know that they were doing something "wrong" by "disobeying" god when such ideas were self-contained in said apple.
Now you could say, "Well if you're in another country and you accidentally break a law, you're still held accountable even if you didn't know any better" and that is true except it is not a fair comparison. Your god knew Adam and Eve had the equivalent of baby brains when it came to any "knowledge" of right and wrong and was the one who put the tree in the garden in the first place. Basically, he expected two retards to pass this bogus test, of which he already knew the outcome (they fail) since the beginning of time. So...if anyone's to blame, it's not Adam and Eve; it's your god (but really, it's the writers of the Bible for not being smart enough to recognize the holes in their story).
Secondly, you claim Adam and Eve and all of their incest goodness were essential for humanity's existence. Also not true, unless your god is not as powerful as you claim.
There is also NOTHING wrong teaching a child truth.
Beliefs are not truth. Truth requires evidence that can be tested and observed over and over again. Your god and your Bible fall short.
I am surprised you admitted God might exist.
I dislike the term "god" because both Jesus freaks and spiritual wackos in general claim hold to it. Defined deities can be disproven. Mushy, "free for all" buffet gods cannot.
http://www.graveyardofthegods.net/articles/cantprovenegative.html
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HE CHOOSES WHEN TO KNOW and in fairness to his creation when NOT to know.He chose NOT to know mankind would sin.
Do you not know what the definition of "omniscient" is?! So your god can create an entire universe, but only selectively be aware of what goes on in it?! I'm sorry, but that is :bs:
Why would he bother warning him penalty of sin was death...
Because the storyline follows a fairytale and that is information that gets included in fables. Dirt people, talking snake, cursed fruit, incompetent higher power...we are not dealing with reality here.
THAT A&E understood.
How the hell would those two knuckleheads really understand what death was if it had never existed before, anywhere? P.S. They didn't die after they ate the fruit! The snake was right!
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Ill bet you cant even figure out why there was no incest in earlier times or why man lived longer.
There was plenty of incest back in the day. Nobody had any knowledge of the problems it could create. There's plenty of incest in the bible with some of the main characters too-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest_in_the_Bible
So let's add another point to the "Hitch knows nothing about the bible" tally. Also, man has never 'lived longer' up until a little over a century ago. Infact the times you're speaking of actually are classified as one of the worst times to be alive as far as life expectancy goes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy
Again, you show a complete lack of basic education and it's obvious you have no idea what you're talking about.
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If you notice in Moses day God told mankind he wouldnt live past 120 yrs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Calment She must have been the spawn of Satan!!
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Allergic.
You're allergic to what; actual reasoning? Don't expect a "bless you" for sneezing up propagandized canned responses to the questions your've been dodging.
The WB&TS has a book called "Reasoning from the scriptures"as well as many other biblical publications.
Including the word "reasoning" in the title of a propganda leaflet/"book" which contains rationalizations stemming from a false premise is just false advertising.
"Faith does not give you the answers, it just stops you asking the questions."
-- Frater Ravus
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Beliefs are not truth. Truth requires evidence that can be tested and observed over and over again. Your god and your Bible fall short.
I concur with all the points you've raised QoN, even as the OP dodges them. The observation that the religious belief system 'falls short' of everything except self-deception is an understatement of the scale of such self-deceptions.
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Queenie...havent seen you lately.Cant say i missed you.You guys are dizzy and must love to remain that way staying on this merry-go-round.I am not going to address any issues here because i am tired of repeating myself and also it doesnt do any of you any good.You are very lost.Hopefully even if 1 FC member got anything positive out of this then its worth it.I dont mind discussing bible etc,but to debate with Birdbrain9,Birdbrain2,Sick,Allergic or Queenie Fusion would have to raise the pay.
So i will let this post die unless someone thats interested in bible truths cares to keep it going.
And BirdBrain,i love the way you thought you were in court speaking to FC members to convict me.Maybe i should go before them now and outline what a dunce you are.....or maybe i dont have to...its obvious they know anyway.
Eve speaking to serpent,"God said we would die if we ate from tree of knowledge".....Yes Queenie,Eve didnt know right from wrong...LOL!!
A&E didnt die in mans day <24 hrs>...they died in Gods day <Bible says 1000 of our yrs is day to Him>
Queenie you truly are a dunce in knwoing your bible......stick with the man-made $rap
Couldnt resist showing you you better re-read bible Queenie.When you sit on your throne...its butt first...get it??
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I am not going to address any issues here because i am tired of repeating ...
... the same evangelistic non-replies?
Thank you for conceding by default. See you at the next failed attempt to proselytize.
"It's fair to say that the Bible contains equal amounts of fact, history, and pizza."
--Penn Jillette
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Yes BirdBrain9,i concede to the fact you cant teach *ss*oles truth.
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I guess one can compare debating Hitch to playing chess with a pigeon. It craps all over the table, brushes all the pieces off of the table, does not know what it's doing, and once it loses it flies away acting as if it has won.
The fact of the matter is this- you have not refuted ONE thing anyone has said with no sources whatsoever aside from your own personal opinion/interpretation of your flawed bible, so who is being a dunce? That, and you're name calling (dunces? Assholes? How positively Christian of you!) and picking fights for no reason whenever someone brings up a good point. Your immaturity and lack of knowledge is pretty iconic right now and I'm honestly glad people can view your posts to show what type of people sit within the kingdom halls. I guess you'll have to rely on some of that 'Miracle Wheat' to get you out of this one. Checkmate! ;)
It's fair to say that the Bible contains equal amounts of fact, history, and pizza."
--Penn Jillette
My friend just met him 2 days ago!
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i concede to the fact you cant teach *ss*oles truth.
I wasn't trying to "teach" you "truth"; myself and others have demonstrated that reason trumps superstitious irrationality, (whether you are capable of discerning that or not, others are).
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I guess one can compare debating Hitch to playing chess with a pigeon. It craps all over the table, brushes all the pieces off of the table, does not know what it's doing, and once it loses it flies away acting as if it has won.
There was no actual debate, as you point out below however, the jw did concede his loss by default where I quoted his concession.
The fact of the matter is this- you have not refuted ONE thing anyone has said with no sources whatsoever aside from your own personal opinion/interpretation of your flawed bible, so who is being a dunce? That, and you're name calling (dunces? Assholes? How positively Christian of you!) and picking fights for no reason whenever someone brings up a good point. Your immaturity and lack of knowledge is pretty iconic right now and I'm honestly glad people can view your posts to show what type of people sit within the kingdom halls. I guess you'll have to rely on some of that 'Miracle Wheat' to get you out of this one. Checkmate! ;)
This one was an overt xtian troll, (under the parameters of what constitutes trolling, indicated above), as "hitch" him/herself demonstrated in their own posted words.
"It's fair to say that the Bible contains equal amounts of fact, history, and pizza."
--Penn Jillette[/quote]
My friend just met him 2 days ago!
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BirdBrain2...i wouldnt crap on the chess board...id crap on you head hoping it would sink in with your crap and over-power it so you would think clearer.
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BirdBrain2...i wouldnt crap on the chess board...id crap on you head hoping it would sink in with your crap and over-power it so you would think clearer.
Didn't you have to be 18 to use this site? I didn't know children could use it.
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[quotetrailerhitch]BirdBrain2...i wouldnt crap on the chess board...id crap on you head hoping it would sink in with your crap and over-power it so you would think clearer.
Didn't you have to be 18 to use this site? I didn't know children could use it.
"Membership requirements:
i.Users must be 18 years or older OR 13 years or older with parental permission, if you are a US resident. A US resident user under 18 certifies that a parent has given permission by registering and agreeing to these terms. Canadian users must be 18 years or older."
-- FC TOS
Either the fundie does not have parental permission or, is simply under a mental age of 13/18.
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OK, I'm done with him, he's a pathetic moron that doesn't even know the fundamental principles of the bible he says he believes in, hitch, I schitt on your head too. We're talking to some kid or some "mentally challenged" individual and our responses are providing his daily entertainment. "Bonne journee, bonne chance," but not "au revoir," and in German, "leck mich am Arsch."
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OK, I'm done with him, he's a pathetic moron that doesn't even know the fundamental principles of the bible he says he believes in, hitch, I schitt on your head too. We're talking to some kid or some "mentally challenged" individual and our responses are providing his daily entertainment. "Bonne journee, bonne chance," but not "au revoir," and in German, "leck mich am Arsch."
Dratz, I was guessing you'd go with "scheisskopf" in regards to 'ole 'trailerhitch'.
:o
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You're reading my mind, did you also pick up on "Arschloch?" Maybe we have some kind of new spiritual movement going here, maybe even the start of a new religion. Many other religions have begun with much less. I feel your mojo.
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Ill bet you cant even figure out why there was no incest in earlier times or why man lived longer.
lol I remember a breeder who showcased the bible as the correct way to line breed animals, as it was the way god bred humans:
http://www.genecarrhorseranch.com/line_breeding.php
Interesting read, if you don't mind percentages.
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You're reading my mind, did you also pick up on "Arschloch?" Maybe we have some kind of new spiritual movement going here, maybe even the start of a new religion. Many other religions have begun with much less. I feel your mojo.
There's already "dudeism", (see off topic thread), but I may have had some cyrillic phrases in mind with regard to the jw ... something to do with 'missionary positions' ...
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Allergic,the feeling is mutual...you made my day.And you are still an idiot in any language!!
I was wondering,if an atheist won lotto would he trust god then?
Is it true atheists work for Non-prophet organizations?
So many questions...so few answers.
Birdbrain9...you were right...this is a debait room.And you took it hook,line,and stinker <as in your posts>
Birdbrain2....someday you will get over the santa claus,easter bunnyitis you suffered as a kid.Not to mention not being able to dress up for halloween<Not that you needed a costume>
Im still waiting for Queenie to sit on her butt.Hope she took my advice.
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...you were right...this is a debait room.
It would be a grave insult to abject morons to call you one.
"I learned the Jehovah's Witless do not celebrate Halloween. I guess they don't like strangers going up to their door and annoying them."
-- Bruce Clark
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BirdBrain9...thanx for keeping your post short.I ran outta aspirins.
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If Jehovah had destroyed A&E immediately after they disobeyed,the human race wouldnt exist.But HE allowed them to have off-spring because HE knew some of the human race would obey and LOVE HIM.
I also wish all atheists and haters of God wouldnt reply to this because it really is beyond your comprehention.
Of course anyone who is grateful for life and appreciates the good things God has provided you are more then welcome.
I haven't been here long so maybe I just don't know but, is this guy serious?
Anyway, if he created them and destroyed them, he could've just created more. I don't really think it was a big deal. Maybe he could create them without flaws next time? When I wrote computer programs and they didn't work the way I wanted them to, I didn't get mad at the program. I did something wrong not the program. This doesn't matter anyway, he just killed everyone again with Noah's flood. He likes killing people... hey, didn't he do that to his own son? That god, what a character :thumbsup: .
May i suggest going on YouTube and viewing some Rodney Dangerfield videos so your insults might be humorous and NOT so preeeeeeeeeeediktabull!!
Rodney Dangerfield? Really? Just curious, do you wear tracksuits with the jacket zipper pulled down showing off your gold chains and hairy chest? I'm just curious about what time period you're living in. :dontknow:
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Eve speaking to serpent,"God said we would die if we ate from tree of knowledge".....Yes Queenie,Eve didnt know right from wrong...LOL!!
Oh man! You got me! If it's written into the story, then it must be true! *sarcasm explodes*
Since you obviously don't get how it is not logically possible to know right from wrong before the fruit was eaten, let me rephrase it in simpler terms: Adam and Eve were created in god's image (perfect). It says in the Bible everything was perfect before they ate from the apple. It is impossible for a perfect being/state to become "imperfect", because for that to happen demonstrates that there was some flaw in the details, refuting the so-called label of "perfect" to begin with. Comprende?
A&E didnt die in mans day <24 hrs>...they died in Gods day <Bible says 1000 of our yrs is day to Him>
How convenient. I wonder which other statements you take literally and which you choose to ignore? "If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. -- Deuteronomy 22:28-29"
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I was wondering,if an atheist won lotto would he trust god then?
Considering I'd have to be paying the "stupid tax" in order to win in the first place, no, I would not "trust god" if I hypothetically won a million dollars. Just because money is unconstitutionally branded with nonsense does not make the phrase supreme law of the land. Do you trust in the Greek and Roman gods because you are forced to have a calendar system with days of the week and months named after them? I'm sure Jehovah doesn't appreciate your blasphemy 24/7.
Where the hec would an atheist get married?
Well I'm an atheist married to an atheist, so it certainly is possible, huh? Your imagination must be pretty limited, as there are countless nonreligious venues to get married at. Also, churches are not the exclusive property of the delusional. If an atheist got married in one, it would be just like any other building, because it is the religious that attribute magical properties to it.
What do they say when they hear a sneeze?
Nothing because it's retarded to acknowledge involuntary, biological functions in such a superstitious way.
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...thanx for keeping your post short.
It wasn't for your benefit, even though you have the attention-span of an elderly mayfly.
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I also wish all atheists and haters of God wouldnt reply to this because it really is beyond your comprehention.
I haven't been here long so maybe I just don't know but, is this guy serious?
It's just an evangelizing jw troll that takes itself too seriously.
Anyway, if he created them and destroyed them, he could've just created more. I don't really think it was a big deal. Maybe he could create them without flaws next time? When I wrote computer programs and they didn't work the way I wanted them to, I didn't get mad at the program. I did something wrong not the program. This doesn't matter anyway, he just killed everyone again with Noah's flood. He likes killing people... hey, didn't he do that to his own son? That god, what a character :thumbsup: .
"If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people"
-- Gregory House (Hugh Laurie)
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Birdbrain2....someday you will get over the santa claus,easter bunnyitis you suffered as a kid.Not to mention not being able to dress up for halloween<Not that you needed a costume>
I'm sure everyone with an ounce of intelligence knows that it's far worse belonging to a cult that bans fun kid stuff like these examples. It's pretty unanimous that any group that bans friendly harmless social gatherings is dangerous. And what's with the insults? Do you know any foundational principles with what the Jesus character preached?
And I'm certain within a few more posts Hitch will be the 'victim' in their own eyes. I recommend we stop arguing with an 11 year old.
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Hitch is on extended vacation.
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Hitch is on extended vacation.
Maybe the opportunity to acquire a nice tan will present itself then.
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Hopefully,he'll be back soon. ;D
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Hopefully,he'll be back soon. ;D
Perhaps you'll make the same error he did and be joining him soon.
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"If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people"
-- Gregory House (Hugh Laurie)
Hey here's a pic I have of House along with that very quote:
(http://i.imgur.com/6t8Uq.jpg)
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"If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people"
-- Gregory House (Hugh Laurie)
Hey here's a pic I have of House along with that very quote:
(http://i.imgur.com/6t8Uq.jpg)
Gotta love the atheist scripture based on fictitious characters -- especially when you contrast the atheist claims regarding Christian scripture. It is hilarious, pure, simple, and as clear and revealing into the hypocrisy of atheism as possible. That atheists fail to see this is even more comical -- especially those that love to talk about blind faith. I would honestly make that into my sig -- as a jab -- if I thought the typical 'atheist' (cough) here was honest and logical enough to comprehend it.
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Gotta love the atheist scripture based on fictitious characters -- especially when you contrast the atheist claims regarding Christian scripture.
What "atheist scripture"? There's no such thing. Which "atheist claims"; the ones contrasting an evidential basis with xtian scriptural claims lacking any evidentiary basis?
It is hilarious, pure, simple, and as clear and revealing into the hypocrisy of atheism as possible.
The only hypocrisy there is your strawman presentation of atheism as a "religion". That's been refuted, despite your empty insistance to the contrary.
... those that love to talk about blind faith.
Ironically, those religious adherents who wallow in it are usually loathe to talk about the blindness of their faith while those who aren't thusly blinded bring it up far more often. Imagine that.
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Hitch is on extended vacation.
Thank ya kindly, Kohler.
Hopefully,he'll be back soon.
Ahhhh yes. This forum needs another troll. Glad you came back out of your cave.
Gotta love the atheist scripture based on fictitious characters
With this logic, anyone who quotes any character that involves a basic philosophy automatically belongs to a religion. "With great power comes great responsibility." I'm part of Spider Man-ism now!
The only hypocrisy there is your strawman presentation of atheism as a "religion". That's been refuted, despite your empty insistance to the contrary.
It's fairly obvious some cannot tell the difference between a full-blown religion and a simple hobby. But I'd recommend not rekindling this debate as there's seriously nothing to debate-- the facts were already presented numerous times and if Abrupt wishes to say abstinence is a sex position, let him do so.
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It's fairly obvious some cannot tell the difference between a full-blown religion and a simple hobby. But I'd recommend not rekindling this debate as there's seriously nothing to debate-- the facts were already presented numerous times and if Abrupt wishes to say abstinence is a sex position, let him do so.
"Atheism is not a philosophy; it is not even a view of the world; it is simply an admission of the obvious. In fact, 'atheist' is a term that should not ever exist. No one ever needs to identify himself as a 'non astrologer' or a 'non-alchemist'. We do not have words for people who doubt that Elvis is still alive or that aliens traversed the galaxy only to molest ranchers and their cattle. Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs. An atheist is simply a person who believes that the 260 million Americans (87 percent of the population) claiming to 'never doubt the existence of God' should be obliged to present evidence for his existence-and, indeed, for his BENEVOLENCE, given the relentless destruction of innocent human beings we witness in the world each day."
--Sam Harris, "Letter to a Christian Nation"
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I'm gonna miss hitch, he was a three ring circus with too many clowns. I'll admit that I'd gotten frustrated trying to answer his nonsense and had decided to stop responding, but he did provide some amusement with his zany idiocy. How long do we have to wait until he comes back?
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Gotta love the atheist scripture based on fictitious characters
Hugh Laurie is actually an atheist in real life, so... :confused1: What's wrong with quoting fictional sources for wisdom? You do it with the Bible, after all.
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Gotta love the atheist scripture based on fictitious characters -- especially when you contrast the atheist claims regarding Christian scripture.
What "atheist scripture"? There's no such thing. Which "atheist claims"; the ones contrasting an evidential basis with xtian scriptural claims lacking any evidentiary basis?
That you say there isn't any such animal does not make that truth (especially considering your propensity for dishonesty and outright lying). The best proof is actually your continual usage of such atheist scripture to make/support your claims/arguments. Oftentimes that is all that you offer. That you cannot recognize it does not surprise me as you are so blinded by your own faith that it prevents you from seeing the truth.
It is hilarious, pure, simple, and as clear and revealing into the hypocrisy of atheism as possible.
The only hypocrisy there is your strawman presentation of atheism as a "religion". That's been refuted, despite your empty insistance to the contrary.
You have a great tendency to use words that you do not understand. Easy examples I have pointed out to you are your usage of 'irony', 'strawman', and 'ad hominem'. Please educate yourself a little so that you include understanding of these terms instead of just the areas that you find their usage prevalent in. Considering the definition of 'strawman' we find that your first sentence above is absolutely false, so let us look at the second sentence. We can quickly ascertain that your second sentence is also false as you never refuted anything -- although you weakly attempted to. It was me in fact that overwhelmed any proof you could muster in defense of your claims by countering with equal and superior and additional proof far beyond what you could muster. In fact if I recall you were reduced to relying upon atheist scripture in support of your contention that it wasn't a religion -- which is pretty damned funny considering the arguments you tend to make.
... those that love to talk about blind faith.
Ironically, those religious adherents who wallow in it are usually loathe to talk about the blindness of their faith while those who aren't thusly blinded bring it up far more often. Imagine that.
Yes, let us imagine that for an instance. Let us reread what you have written here and realize just what you reveal (when using the correct definition of irony (which you seem to seldom do) -- but which is it -- did you use the word 'ironically' incorrectly here or did you actually mean what it says?). That whole sentence is as much to the point about your blind faith and hypocrisy as can be imagined and I could not imagine you revealing your idiocy any more clearly. That is friggin hilarious, do you realize what you just said?
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It's fairly obvious some cannot tell the difference between a full-blown religion and a simple hobby. But I'd recommend not rekindling this debate as there's seriously nothing to debate-- the facts were already presented numerous times and if Abrupt wishes to say abstinence is a sex position, let him do so.
What a strawman you present here (actually and correct usage of the term falcon9 so take notes and pay attention). Let me burn down this strawman of yours rather quickly, and thus reveal your inherent dishonesty and the underlying frustration you have with yourself and particularly being able to clarify to yourself that atheism is not a religion (after all, if you cannot convince yourself how could you ever hope to convince others). Fist off, abstinence is not a sex position and I never made such a claim (wow did that strawman of yours go up in flames awfully damned fast). Guess what, though, and with a comical twist in my revelation I will certainly tell you that abstinence is a position on sex. Amazing isn't it, what a little bit of clarity and logic can build in place of your strawman? We clearly can see that atheism compared to religion is nothing like abstinence compared to a sex position so we find that in addition to a strawman you have committed a more grievous error here in simple comprehension and understanding.
I am quite sure you don't want to rekindle the debate, especially since you lost it most handily. It is a typical and cheap tactic that I often see used by many with statements such as "the debate is over" or "it is already settled" and then trying to use that as some means to insinuate that their side won it. Such does not work on me, though. I am strong and dogged and have no problems defeating you again in another of these arguments. When you rely on arguing your points like you did above you make it rather easy so please at least approach the argument logically if you wish to pick up your sword again. As I suggested above, convince yourself first, then try for another (and if such arguments as you used here are enough to convince you then you need not bother since reason and logic would not penetrate such a thick skull as one that could even begin to formulate such an argument as you presented as being indicative of something wise).
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Gotta love the atheist scripture based on fictitious characters
Hugh Laurie is actually an atheist in real life, so... :confused1: What's wrong with quoting fictional sources for wisdom? You do it with the Bible, after all.
Yes he has made that claim, but those words are from Doctor House (do not be delusional and believe they are the same person -- after all listen to Mr. Laurie speak in his native accent). There is nothing inherently wrong with quoting fictional sources for wisdom -- but in the case above it is a fictional statement that is also a fallacious argument that displays prejudice and blindness (this makes it just silly). Am I to understand that you are making the claim that the people (whose words) that I quoted from the bible were not real people (or were you being prejudicial and hitting me with one of those general "you people" accusations)?
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Fist off, abstinence is not a sex position and I never made such a claim (wow did that strawman of yours go up in flames awfully damned fast). Guess what, though, and with a comical twist in my revelation I will certainly tell you that abstinence is a position on sex. Amazing isn't it, what a little bit of clarity and logic can build in place of your strawman? We clearly can see that atheism compared to religion is nothing like abstinence compared to a sex position so we find that in addition to a strawman you have committed a more grievous error here in simple comprehension and understanding
You're attempting to skew the example made to make it seem like something completely different than was originally stated. I'm under the impression the example that Bill Maher had made did not register with you. If this is the case, let me refresh-
- Abstinence can be seen as a position on sex (rejection of).
- Atheism can be seen as a position on religions (rejection of).
-Abstinence has no substance pertaining to sexual positions (unless you consider the lack of sexual positions to be considered a sexual position ((aka doggy style is on the same level of not having sex outright)), which is enormously illogical)
- Atheism has no substance pertaining to religions.
I am quite sure you don't want to rekindle the debate, especially since you lost it most handily.
Whatever you say. Let it be written that I defended practicality and basic terminology on my gravestone.
I am strong and dogged and have no problems defeating you again in another of these arguments.
I'd rather argue with people who enjoy a friendly and honest in-depth debate rather than those who speak like super villains from comic books.
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Gotta love the atheist scripture based on fictitious characters
... :confused1: What's wrong with quoting fictional sources for wisdom? You do it with the Bible, after all.
My thoughts exactly, queenofnines....
well, actually my thought was:
Gotta love the religious scripture based on fictitious characters
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:star: Quote from Falconer02:
"I'd rather argue with people who enjoy a friendly and honest in-depth debate rather than those who speak like super villains from comic books."
Enjoying a friendly and honest in-depth debate is something I totally agree with. (*Abrupt - this is not directed towards you - I'm commenting on the one line of Falconer02's in and of itself.)
There are a couple who refuse to do what you are speaking of, and instead, the debates are filled with intolerance of the other views, period, including the big words, disrespect, and name calling. While you and I disagree on views about Christianity and/or Atheism, and we have had ups and downs (mainly over the names given to Christian beliefs,) there were still the elements of friendliness, honesty, and both sides "listening" to each other, while also asking questions, challenging respectfully, and answering with the best possible answers both sides could offer. Although there were times, it would definitely get way sparky. It's also when, taking a breather or cool down, other conversation takes place in the meantime, such as things we do agree with, job loss woes, seeing how someone is doing, making a lighthearted joke, etc., and then going back into the debate mode.
I just wanted to comment on that - I like the way you "said" your comment. :)
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Gotta love the atheist scripture based on fictitious characters
Hugh Laurie is actually an atheist in real life, so... :confused1: What's wrong with quoting fictional sources for wisdom? You do it with the Bible, after all.
I didn't realize he is in real life. I love his show and am sorry it's ending. I wonder if he came up with the quote in his personal life, and attributed it to his "fictional doctor" life.
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:star: Quote from Falconer02:
"I'd rather argue with people who enjoy a friendly and honest in-depth debate rather than those who speak like super villains from comic books."
Unfortunatly,Falconer has exhibited anything but "friendly" debate in the past,so I find that comment disingenuous to say the least.His problem is obvious.When someone like Abrupt will devote days to continuing a debate,he loses interest.Where,if someone debating him does the same,he resorts to bating and name calling. ::)
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Gotta love the atheist scripture based on fictitious characters -- especially when you contrast the atheist claims regarding Christian scripture.
What "atheist scripture"? There's no such thing. Which "atheist claims"; the ones contrasting an evidential basis with xtian scriptural claims lacking any evidentiary basis?
That you say there isn't any such animal does not make that truth...
Your bland and empty denial does not constitute refutation nor do your empty assertions confer any accuracy.
(especially considering your propensity for dishonesty and outright lying).
The empty assertions of a compulsive/pathological liar such as yourself hold no weight, though they are ironic considering you lying to accuse others of lying.
The best proof is actually your continual usage of such atheist scripture to make/support your claims/arguments.
There's no such thing as "atheist scripture". No 'book of atheism', no 'atheist priesthood', no specifically 'atheistic belief system'. There is only your specious declaration still attempting to redefine atheism as a "religion" when it's been demonstrated otherwise. Recognising that your continued irrational insistance is a result of a systemic deficiency/inability to reason logically, (rather than in the sophist, invalid-premise way you prefer over rationality and actual logic), it may be more efficient to simply disparage your lying nonsense.
It is hilarious, pure, simple, and as clear and revealing into the hypocrisy of atheism as possible.
The only hypocrisy there is your strawman presentation of atheism as a "religion". That's been refuted, despite your empty insistance to the contrary.
You have a great tendency to use words that you do not understand. Considering the definition of 'strawman' ...
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Considering it in reference to your fabricated argument that "atheism is a religion", your "strawman" argument was and is an attempt to conflate your specious supertitious religious beliefs with "atheism" by falsely characterizing atheism as a religious belief system. It's a form of strawman argumentation in that such a false argument creates something diversionary to attack/defend in the 'hope' that the originally-debated subject will be buried under the diversionary tactic. Just so you know, your specious superstitios religious belief system still lacks a rational basis. There's no logic to blind faith and you remain a documented liar.
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:star: Quote from Falconer02:
"I'd rather argue with people who enjoy a friendly and honest in-depth debate rather than those who speak like super villains from comic books."
Unfortunatly,Falconer has exhibited anything but "friendly" debate in the past,so I find that comment disingenuous to say the least.His problem is obvious.
While you're judging others disingenuously, re-read your own posts which come across as "super villians from comic books". Given your posted preferences regarding comic books and their contents, Falconeer02's remark was accurately dead-center.
When someone like Abrupt will devote days to continuing a debate,he loses interest.Where,if someone debating him does the same,he resorts to bating and name calling. ::)
Your "super villian" 'Abrupt' has devoted days to continuing a debate by falsely claiming victory after a loss, lying profusely during a debate, resorting to name-calling even before he's lost the debate and generally dodging the irrationality of the superstitious religious belief system you and he seem to share. That would superficially be xtianity, since if stupidity were a 'religion', you'd be on it's church council.
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While you and I disagree on views about Christianity and/or Atheism, and we have had ups and downs (mainly over the names given to Christian beliefs,) there were still the elements of friendliness, honesty, and both sides "listening" to each other, while also asking questions, challenging respectfully, and answering with the best possible answers both sides could offer. Although there were times, it would definitely get way sparky. It's also when, taking a breather or cool down, other conversation takes place in the meantime, such as things we do agree with, job loss woes, seeing how someone is doing, making a lighthearted joke, etc., and then going back into the debate mode.
I'm glad someone else sees the overall positive feel of the arguments here. Atleast what they should normally be.
Unfortunatly,Falconer has exhibited anything but "friendly" debate in the past,so I find that comment disingenuous to say the least.His problem is obvious.When someone like Abrupt will devote days to continuing a debate,he loses interest.Where,if someone debating him does the same,he resorts to bating and name calling.
Classic internet trolling! Ahhh I love this guy!
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:star: Quote from Falconer02:
"I'd rather argue with people who enjoy a friendly and honest in-depth debate rather than those who speak like super villains from comic books."
Unfortunatly,Falconer has exhibited anything but "friendly" debate in the past,so I find that comment disingenuous to say the least.His problem is obvious.When someone like Abrupt will devote days to continuing a debate,he loses interest.Where,if someone debating him does the same,he resorts to bating and name calling. ::)
I'm thinking you aren't very clear here on which FC falcon/Falconer member (and "number") you are referring to......
you should post their "complete" 'nym - what they actually go by here on the board - when you post comments
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:star: Quote from Falconer02:
"I'd rather argue with people who enjoy a friendly and honest in-depth debate rather than those who speak like super villains from comic books."
Enjoying a friendly and honest in-depth debate is something I totally agree with. (*Abrupt - this is not directed towards you - I'm commenting on the one line of Falconer02's in and of itself.)
There are a couple who refuse to do what you are speaking of, and instead, the debates are filled with intolerance of the other views, period, including the big words, disrespect, and name calling. While you and I disagree on views about Christianity and/or Atheism, and we have had ups and downs (mainly over the names given to Christian beliefs,) there were still the elements of friendliness, honesty, and both sides "listening" to each other, while also asking questions, challenging respectfully, and answering with the best possible answers both sides could offer. Although there were times, it would definitely get way sparky. It's also when, taking a breather or cool down, other conversation takes place in the meantime, such as things we do agree with, job loss woes, seeing how someone is doing, making a lighthearted joke, etc., and then going back into the debate mode.
I just wanted to comment on that - I like the way you "said" your comment. :)
You would be right to call me out when it is needed (and you may be in this case if you did or suggested it as a consideration), and I implore you to please do when the need arrises. My behavior here has not been exemplary, but it is the nature of who I am and I welcome observation from those with a more 'decent' perspective than myself.
I know that I get heavy handed here sometimes but it is never for the purpose of being mean or vile (well I sometimes will inject comical crudeness into my statements but even such is restrained from my potentiality). Certain things tick me off and will invoke my rage. Dishonesty is number one of those and I tend to fire back severely at such things. I don't mind certain things which seem to bother other people (such as name calling -- my friends and I trade crude banter that could well make drunken sailor's blush). I am a Christian, but I am the sort that you would not want to risk with saying grace or public prayer but I am the sort you would want with helping the neighbor in need or assisting with menial and tedious labors.
When I see Christians harassed or bullied I will focus on those that do it and I will deliver as much venom as I can to them. I don't tire and I don't easily become bored and so I may continue to the point that most would find unreasonable or even a bit insane. I am this way in real life too, if someone harms the helpless to my knowledge they will have me to deal with and I know the best results are gained by making them understand the costs of their actions will be more severe than their perception of the damage of their actions. Since I can never be certain about their interpretations I will deliberately extend into a category of excessive by my understandings. I don't pursue such things with a focus of revenge, although I cannot honestly say that they are always without ire.
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Fist off, abstinence is not a sex position and I never made such a claim (wow did that strawman of yours go up in flames awfully damned fast). Guess what, though, and with a comical twist in my revelation I will certainly tell you that abstinence is a position on sex. Amazing isn't it, what a little bit of clarity and logic can build in place of your strawman? We clearly can see that atheism compared to religion is nothing like abstinence compared to a sex position so we find that in addition to a strawman you have committed a more grievous error here in simple comprehension and understanding
You're attempting to skew the example made to make it seem like something completely different than was originally stated. I'm under the impression the example that Bill Maher had made did not register with you. If this is the case, let me refresh-
- Abstinence can be seen as a position on sex (rejection of).
- Atheism can be seen as a position on religions (rejection of).
-Abstinence has no substance pertaining to sexual positions (unless you consider the lack of sexual positions to be considered a sexual position ((aka doggy style is on the same level of not having sex outright)), which is enormously illogical)
- Atheism has no substance pertaining to religions.
Focus in on your shifting of topic to denote "-Abstinence has no substance pertaining to sexual positions" as if this is some clever attempt to equate it with "... a position of sex (rejection of).". What happens when we do proper substitution? We then get Abstinence has no substance pertaining to sex which falls flat immediately.
Atheism is a religion so I cannot see how it can have "no substance pertaining to religions". Even if you broke it down to another particular religion, such as Christianity" you would find that it does have substance pertaining to Christianity in its insistence that such is false. It seems that it is absolutely dependent upon other religions and thus it cannot survive upon its own and with such awareness we must say that it is entirely necessary that these other religions exist or else it would not.
I am quite sure you don't want to rekindle the debate, especially since you lost it most handily.
Whatever you say. Let it be written that I defended practicality and basic terminology on my gravestone.
You did to what you reasoned as honest and sane. I give you that. At one point you were even more honest and reasonable than most of the rest of us when you gave your pronouncement that we were seemingly at an impasse and that sanity would reason we would not be able to convince each other any further. I agreed and it seemed as if you left the battlefield under such an armistice. I felt we had an understanding and it was one I found quite agreeable.
Later you came at me with what I perceived as insanity and hatred where I had done nothing to provoke it and still held in agreement to the terms in which you laid out initially. What was I to make of this? If what you said originally was true then this would seem to be rash and irrational. The only alternate consideration I could make was that your original 'truce' was but a ruse while you rested and rebuilt your armies (sorry for my use of analogies but it is the best way for me to describe it as I see it) and then later attacked again when you felt such was right. Basically I saw it as if you left the field under a flag of truce that you initiated and then while under treaty you attacked me without warning. What other determination and reaction would you expect of me?
I am strong and dogged and have no problems defeating you again in another of these arguments.
I'd rather argue with people who enjoy a friendly and honest in-depth debate rather than those who speak like super villains from comic books.
I am in complete agreement with you on this. I like friendly and challenging debate that can occasionally be pushed -- but always kept respectful and to a purpose. I find the harsher and more heavy handed approach that I was forced into to be counter productive to the original pursuit, but necessary in this case to indicate the lengths I will go to and the unwavering intent behind such ends.
Cool a comic book super villain. Please let me be Mysterio or even the Green Goblin, just don't let it be Boomerang or Vulture or Walrus!
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(especially considering your propensity for dishonesty and outright lying).
The empty assertions of a compulsive/pathological liar such as yourself hold no weight, though they are ironic considering you lying to accuse others of lying.
Shall we perform the exercise you failed thrice previously (if not more), again? I have absolutely proven you a liar on multiple occasions and used your own posts as evidence. You set a test to determine who was lying and I won the test and you were completely incapable of even qualifying and provided absolutely nothing at all in your support/defense -- you didn't even make an attempt as you could find not a single case of my lying or even anything you could try to interpret as lying.
At anytime I can produce your own words showing your lies, just as I have done so previously. You, though, cannot say the same about me. This is what you have been reduced to, a once respectable adversary who is now nothing more than a discredited hack with grandiose delusions. The shame here is what you did to yourself, not anything I have done, and it is a waste of talent as even though I don't agree with you on much of anything you at one time possessed a style which was effective and steadfast and worthy of consideration.
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I love the Lord, my God, with all my heart and recoginize His all power, all knowing, and all consuming presence.! Glory to Him forever!
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I have absolutely proven you a liar on multiple occasions and used your own posts as evidence.
No, you have not; you have merely falsely claimed to have done this, (which makes those claims additional lies).
At anytime I can produce your own words showing your lies, just as I have done so previously.
Produce them, in context and without your misinterpretations/redifinitions and no lie will be shown.
You, though, cannot say the same about me.
Not only can I say this, unlike you, I have shown your lies by quoting your posts in context. Your current ruse is obvious; the attempt to rewrite archived history by hoping no one goes back and checks, (because few would), is the seared-in brand of a lying troll. You can sit there under your bridge, pseudo-smugly assured that most people reading lengthy posted exchanges either won't go back through the archives or, merely go by the most recent posted exchanges to bolster your lies.
On the other hand, I haven't lied and instead, have out-reasoned your specious arguements at every turn, (which apparently ticks your narcissistic ego off to the extent of registering on the NPI scale).
This is what you have been reduced to, a once respectable adversary who is now nothing more than a discredited hack with grandiose delusions.
You're projecting again, narcissist liar. It's still tedious when you falsely claim 'victory' from the ashes of defeat.
It remains that atheism is not a religion and you haven't substantiated your claim that it ever was. It remains that your religious beliefs are based upon nothing substantial and instead, rest upon an illogical lack of evidence to sustain them by way of blind faith alone. It remains that you're either a compulsive or, pathological liar, (diagnosis pending a professional clinician). It remains that you cannot refute the fact that your 'religious faith' is irrational nonsense and instead, try these lame 'counter-attacks' to divert attention from that fact. Your remains begin to stink, bury them.
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I'm running out of topics to pick from and I'm a few short of my 30. If God destroyed adam and eve. Shaaaaaazam! If God destroyed adam and eve, he could just make another adam and eve. The dude has a reset button. I'm sure of it. =-P
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Focus in on your shifting of topic to denote "-Abstinence has no substance pertaining to sexual positions" as if this is some clever attempt to equate it with "... a position of sex (rejection of).". What happens when we do proper substitution? We then get Abstinence has no substance pertaining to sex which falls flat immediately.
1.) I did not shift the topic. The abstinence example was from another thread and is a simple parallel showing the illogical stance. If you want, I could shift the example to "not playing baseball is a sport."
2.) I'm unclear of what you're stating here. If it helps make it more clear, let me add "the act of sex" into my previous post.
Atheism is a religion so I cannot see how it can have "no substance pertaining to religions". Even if you broke it down to another particular religion, such as Christianity" you would find that it does have substance pertaining to Christianity in its insistence that such is false. It seems that it is absolutely dependent upon other religions and thus it cannot survive upon its own and with such awareness we must say that it is entirely necessary that these other religions exist or else it would not.
Your argument here is moot because it stems from a non-existant foundation. Religions (both alive and dead) do exist. If they didn't, this argument over terminology would never happen. I can agree with you from there, but reality states that religions exist and therefore the option to avoid religion will always be available.
Later you came at me with what I perceived as insanity and hatred where I had done nothing to provoke it and still held in agreement to the terms in which you laid out initially.
Well your consistency of bringing it up out of the blue in random threads is irritating! I know it's directed at Falcon9, but at this point it just seems like it's on the same level as the posts JediJohnnie makes (the difference being yours have substance to them rather than empty childish attacks...).
I am in complete agreement with you on this. I like friendly and challenging debate that can occasionally be pushed -- but always kept respectful and to a purpose. I find the harsher and more heavy handed approach that I was forced into to be counter productive to the original pursuit, but necessary in this case to indicate the lengths I will go to and the unwavering intent behind such ends.
Cool a comic book super villain. Please let me be Mysterio or even the Green Goblin, just don't let it be Boomerang or Vulture or Walrus!
Okay good! And yes, those 3 suck.
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:star: Quote from Falconer02:
"I'd rather argue with people who enjoy a friendly and honest in-depth debate rather than those who speak like super villains from comic books."
Enjoying a friendly and honest in-depth debate is something I totally agree with. (*Abrupt - this is not directed towards you - I'm commenting on the one line of Falconer02's in and of itself.)
There are a couple who refuse to do what you are speaking of, and instead, the debates are filled with intolerance of the other views, period, including the big words, disrespect, and name calling. While you and I disagree on views about Christianity and/or Atheism, and we have had ups and downs (mainly over the names given to Christian beliefs,) there were still the elements of friendliness, honesty, and both sides "listening" to each other, while also asking questions, challenging respectfully, and answering with the best possible answers both sides could offer. Although there were times, it would definitely get way sparky. It's also when, taking a breather or cool down, other conversation takes place in the meantime, such as things we do agree with, job loss woes, seeing how someone is doing, making a lighthearted joke, etc., and then going back into the debate mode.
I just wanted to comment on that - I like the way you "said" your comment. :)
You would be right to call me out when it is needed (and you may be in this case if you did or suggested it as a consideration), and I implore you to please do when the need arrises. My behavior here has not been exemplary, but it is the nature of who I am and I welcome observation from those with a more 'decent' perspective than myself.
I know that I get heavy handed here sometimes but it is never for the purpose of being mean or vile (well I sometimes will inject comical crudeness into my statements but even such is restrained from my potentiality). Certain things tick me off and will invoke my rage. Dishonesty is number one of those and I tend to fire back severely at such things. I don't mind certain things which seem to bother other people (such as name calling -- my friends and I trade crude banter that could well make drunken sailor's blush). I am a Christian, but I am the sort that you would not want to risk with saying grace or public prayer but I am the sort you would want with helping the neighbor in need or assisting with menial and tedious labors.
When I see Christians harassed or bullied I will focus on those that do it and I will deliver as much venom as I can to them. I don't tire and I don't easily become bored and so I may continue to the point that most would find unreasonable or even a bit insane. I am this way in real life too, if someone harms the helpless to my knowledge they will have me to deal with and I know the best results are gained by making them understand the costs of their actions will be more severe than their perception of the damage of their actions. Since I can never be certain about their interpretations I will deliberately extend into a category of excessive by my understandings. I don't pursue such things with a focus of revenge, although I cannot honestly say that they are always without ire.
I'm with you in that I will come to the defense of Christians being harassed and/or bullied. Especially new Christians and new posters that aren't prepared for some of the backlash they receive when they post anything that has to do with being a believer. The comment I made to Falconer02 is one I know you already agree with - that it is a much better atmosphere of debate and discussion when both sides are trying to be fair, honest, and respectful, with their responses.
I remember just a couple of years ago, that the debate threads on Christianity, Atheism, and any other religions, got very heated and people had to step back and chill for awhile before continuing. There was name-calling, however, not to the magnitude it has seemed to have reached this past year. Both sides listened more, and discussed more, with references, research, etc. And, the threads in the off-topic that included Bible inspiration, verses, thoughts, quotes, etc., were hardly ever messed with by those same posters who were always discussing and debating in the debate threads.
That has certainly changed, now, by a couple in particular, and I might add, that the same posters from a couple of years ago, still do not go in the off-topics like the ones I just mentioned, just to provoke. They very rarely ever come in them, unless it starts turning into a debate, with questions, challenges, and otherwise, with regard to topics that may arise in those threads. That's when FC will generally move them into the debate threads.
Some of the joy of the off-topic threads has indeed waned mainly because of a couple who can't leave well enough alone of those who are trying to enjoy sharing a mutual topic. At least there are several posters who just ignore those, if they don't apply, or only come in when they want to or feel they need to, to discuss something. Thank goodness for their integrity and respect of others.
This forum is for everyone who would like to partake and enjoy, and it just seems unfair that sometimes the rules are not accepted for what they are supposed to represent, and instead, are pushed beyond the boundaries of them just to see how far they can be pushed. And again, like you, I'm not going to be made to look like a fool for something I believe in, and I'm going to help back others and defend them if and when they need it. :)
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And, the threads in the off-topic that included Bible inspiration, verses, thoughts, quotes, etc., were hardly ever messed with by those same posters who were always discussing and debating in the debate threads.
That has certainly changed, now, by a couple in particular, and I might add, that the same posters from a couple of years ago, still do not go in the off-topics like the ones I just mentioned, just to provoke. They very rarely ever come in them, unless it starts turning into a debate, with questions, challenges, and otherwise, with regard to topics that may arise in those threads. That's when FC will generally move them into the debate threads.
Some of the joy of the off-topic threads has indeed waned mainly because of a couple who can't leave well enough alone of those who are trying to enjoy sharing a mutual topic. At least there are several posters who just ignore those, if they don't apply, or only come in when they want to or feel they need to, to discuss something. Thank goodness for their integrity and respect of others.
There are no FC forums or threads which are exclusive xtian 'reservations' or private 'country clubs'. Some xtians lacking integrity continue to treat them as if they were reservations or country clubs which exclude dissenting viewpoints.
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And, the threads in the off-topic that included Bible inspiration, verses, thoughts, quotes, etc., were hardly ever messed with by those same posters who were always discussing and debating in the debate threads.
That has certainly changed, now, by a couple in particular, and I might add, that the same posters from a couple of years ago, still do not go in the off-topics like the ones I just mentioned, just to provoke. They very rarely ever come in them, unless it starts turning into a debate, with questions, challenges, and otherwise, with regard to topics that may arise in those threads. That's when FC will generally move them into the debate threads.
Some of the joy of the off-topic threads has indeed waned mainly because of a couple who can't leave well enough alone of those who are trying to enjoy sharing a mutual topic. At least there are several posters who just ignore those, if they don't apply, or only come in when they want to or feel they need to, to discuss something. Thank goodness for their integrity and respect of others.
There are no FC forums or threads which are exclusive xtian 'reservations' or private 'country clubs'. Some xtians lacking integrity continue to treat them as if they were reservations or country clubs which exclude dissenting viewpoints.
*Where exactly did anyone say they are "exclusive Christian 'reservations' or private 'country clubs'?" Please show the exact words, in the exact quotes, in the exact threads.
*How do you know that "some" Christians lack integrity? Where is your integrity is all of this?
*Where does it say, exactly, that there are to be no Bible threads made? Or is it what you want?
*Where does it say, exactly, that "Falcon9 has complete control" over bashing any and all Bible threads, mainly off-topic threads that have nothing to do with him and do not have his name in the title? Or is this based on Falcon9's desires?
*Where does it say, exactly, that Christians are not allowed to express their viewpoints and beliefs without being accused of "initial proselytizing" and therefore, should be bashed? Prove, without a shadow of doubt, that they are indeed that very thing.
*Where does it say, exactly, that dissenting views from either side are to be disrespectful and hateful to the other side simply because one side hates what the other side represents, in this case, anything to do with GOD? Or, once again, is this based on personal dislike?
*Where does it say, exactly, that Falcon9 is the seemingly acting boss of accusing Christians of "initial proselytizing" when, in fact, he is doing "initial bashing" of Christians with their postings? Or is this "your" interpretation of what "initial proselytizing" should be and you feel you must react to them because of your dislike of the subject of anything pertaining to GOD?
Thanking you ahead for your responses.
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And, the threads in the off-topic that included Bible inspiration, verses, thoughts, quotes, etc., were hardly ever messed with by those same posters who were always discussing and debating in the debate threads.
Some of the joy of the off-topic threads has indeed waned mainly because of a couple who can't leave well enough alone of those who are trying to enjoy sharing a mutual topic. At least there are several posters who just ignore those, if they don't apply, or only come in when they want to or feel they need to, to discuss something. Thank goodness for their integrity and respect of others.
There are no FC forums or threads which are exclusive xtian 'reservations' or private 'country clubs'. Some xtians lacking integrity continue to treat them as if they were reservations or country clubs which exclude dissenting viewpoints.
*Where exactly did anyone say they are "exclusive Christian 'reservations' or private 'country clubs'?" Please show the exact words, in the exact quotes, in the exact threads.
Read it again, the statement made was " ... as if they were ...".
*How do you know that "some" Christians lack integrity?
Some xtians have demonstrated a lack of integrity as opposed to merely accusing non-xtians of this as a slander, (which by itself, shows a lack of integrity).
*Where does it say, exactly, that there are to be no Bible threads made? Or is it what you want?
What kind of false dichotomy are you trying to fabricate? No one has stated that no bible/babble threads can be made. Neither does it "say" anywhere that such threads cannot be opposed or dissented with in any way. Or, is that what you're really after - unopposed proselytization?
*Where does it say, exactly, that "Falcon9 has complete control" over bashing any and all Bible threads, mainly off-topic threads that have nothing to do with him and do not have his name in the title? Or is this based on Falcon9's desires?
Now you're just fabricating crap to sling. Anyone can comment on any thread - the bible/babble ones included. You don't get to control this and neither do I, (except for our own responses). Threads do not have to have a member's name in the title to reply to them. Are you an idiot?
*Where does it say, exactly, that Christians are not allowed to express their viewpoints and beliefs without being accused of "initial proselytizing" and therefore, should be bashed? Prove, without a shadow of doubt, that they are indeed that very thing.
It doesn't "say" that anywhere; xtians have no free pass for proselytizing which includes no opposition to it, (whether you call it 'bashing' from an inherent bias or not). Initially posting religious propaganda is proselytization and others may oppose it if they choose to. The religious fundies propagandizing do not have the power to suppress opposing viewpoints on these forums.
*Where does it say, exactly, that Falcon9 is the seemingly acting boss of accusing Christians of "initial proselytizing" when, in fact, he is doing "initial bashing" of Christians with their postings?
If you're going to specifically 'flame' me because I'm a non-xtian opposing your superstitious religious beliefs, you'll undoubtedly not enjoy being 'flamed' in response. More than likely, you'd whine about it, as if it were unprovoked.
The fact of the matter is that xtians start biblical quoting and other religious proselytizing threads. Starting a thread is initiating the subject/discussion, (in this instance, religious propaganda). Replies which are in response to initial religious proselytizing are in oppostion to being "bashed" by superstitious beliefs in the first place. Then you have a few of the same xtians who want their religious propagandizing to go unopposed inherently "bashing" other religious beliefs.
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It's Fusioncash.Not Falcon9cash. ;D
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It's Fusioncash.Not Falcon9cash. ;D
Right; it's FusionCash, not 'fundiecashcow'.
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Brum you can always collect cans!!
Re: Ponder this for a sec
« Reply #160 on: July 15, 2012, 05:33:57 pm » Message ID: 571988
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I'm running out of topics to pick from and I'm a few short of my 30. If God destroyed adam and eve. Shaaaaaazam! If God destroyed adam and eve, he could just make another adam and eve. The dude has a reset button. I'm sure of it. =-P
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